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#7348126 - 10/21/13 01:46 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
you do all this ridiculously overly-complicated shit and you're not even in shape, at all.


Look dude, why don't you just run a calorie deficit, just that, just cut calories no fucking voo-doo science involved and work out hard for a year?


I don't understand. It's not like you're very strong or a body-builder or some shit. Why don't you just get in shape 1 single time?



of course you'll say "I AM DOING THAT" or attack me in some way.


there isn't anything "complicated" with what he's doing... he IS running a deficit...
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#7348137 - 10/21/13 01:49 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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Wayne could be losing more weight more quickly, but he made it clear that maintaining strength was paramount to him, and not just becoming a skinny phaggot...

Cutting slowly is ideal for maintaining mass, and possibly gaining strength through a cut...

I let my results speak for my methods... it ain't rocket science, more trial and error... but i've lost 36+ pounds over 27 weeks and STILL killing shit in the gym...

Squatted 315 Sunday (just for 1), but I hadn't squatted in 3 months IIRC... Still DB pressing 100's on flat, and 90's on incline today...
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#7348223 - 10/21/13 02:30 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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so he should just put his head down,continue with the program and report back next yr....

lifting isnt an issue here... its diet and unless you plan to compete in lifting(ive never seen this mentioned) diet is what you should be concentrating on. As long as he doesnt drastically drop off calories like on some fasting diets he shouldnt lose strength much.

get off the boobtube, stop over analysing . keep it simple and keep at it.
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#7348257 - 10/21/13 02:49 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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I didn't lose strength when I did my first cut on UD 2. Just sayin'.
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#7348264 - 10/21/13 02:52 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Silock]
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you did it for 4 weeks...
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#7348269 - 10/21/13 02:56 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
so he should just put his head down,continue with the program and report back next yr....

lifting isnt an issue here... its diet and unless you plan to compete in lifting(ive never seen this mentioned) diet is what you should be concentrating on. As long as he doesnt drastically drop off calories like on some fasting diets he shouldnt lose strength much.

get off the boobtube, stop over analysing . keep it simple and keep at it.




it's a 50/50 equation... i get why all you guys give Wayne shit... hell I gave him shit plenty of times...

You fucking guys act like it's soooooo easy for someone to just drop calories and go through the day hungry... it's not...

it takes alot of dedication and willpower to avoid eating the bullshit... I've been "dieting" for 27 weeks, and trust me, i'm STILL not used to it... there are days where I just want to fucking eat ALL day...

Luckily for me, I have a goal and the finish line is in sight... if i didn't...? LOL, i'd probably have quit months ago... I still eat plenty of "bullshit foods", but I fit them in where I can for the most part, after I get my nutrient dense foods... I don't live on pop tarts and snickers and say IIFYM works...

but i do have ice cream every fucking day and I look forward to it as well... sugar is addictive, probably moreso than some drugs out there...
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#7348275 - 10/21/13 03:03 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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Full disclosure on Wayne's progress, (i know he doesn't mind), he could be farther along but he's made some slip ups...

Shit happens... I've fucked up in my prep too, but have managed to get away with it... But not everyone has the same response to a yolo kinda day... shit last Sunday and Monday i went off the reservation and killed 4000+ calories both days, and was up nearly 3lbs afterwards...

but by the end of the week, I hit a new low, and have been losing everyday since... some people will yolo, and not recover for 2 weeks... the body is a fickle bitch, and it's hard to make adjustments unless the client is hitting the macros within +/- 5g each day and hitting the prescribed cardio regime as prescribed...

Moral of the story...? a good CLIENT, make a good coach...
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#7348335 - 10/21/13 03:52 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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I agree that I've gone out of that +/- rate by as much as 10+ grams on top of the threshold, the one I try to avoid the most is fat. I've made it a point to prep my food the night before and log everything in mfp before I even bother eating anything, so if I have to come home and go out to dinner or have dinner I know what will fit and what wont.

Hell I haven't had a hamburger in a month, the day I did have pizza it was 3 slices and I planned a whole day around those slices.

Protein is the easy part, it's other things that have brother and sister macros when trying to fill a single one in that's tricky, if I'm short 70g carbs, 20g protein and can't have any fat for instance I could protein shake it up and eat sorbet or fruit. fuck around and drink some non fat milk get both and still lack in one area.

trying to make things as systematic as possible while not going insane over food.

I don't know if not getting enough fiber is an issue or not so I don't worry about it.

As far as strength goes, I want to build muscle where it lacks, I'm not going to build a bigger chest or bench strength on a killerb cut, silock was able to manage 3 weeks of exhaustive workouts on ud2.0 and it wasn't until around mid 3rd week and 4th week that he was able to get back to his baseline in strength.

He didn't lose any strength but he didn't gain any either.

While it's not paramount, it is what is important to me. I do not go to the gym to look strong and do 4 sets of 20 curls. I go to the gym to be strong because I enjoy it.

We all have our own form of motivation, and mine is not to look great in a bikini, while it would be nice to shred all fast and tell you all to piss off. I'd like to get there at a maintainable rate and not become another joeyballs in the sense that I made it to my peak and then let it all go to shit (not that he did, he's still dreamy but still) slickz would probably be a better example in that case.

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#7348341 - 10/21/13 03:56 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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if it's not maintainable, then what is the point...? unless it's a for a competition, or photo shoot slow is the way to go...
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#7348345 - 10/21/13 04:00 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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Wayne, don't you squat like low 3--#s? And don't you bench 245 like 2-3 times?


Dude, not for nothing but that's not really very strong at all. Especially for someone to be so concerned with their "strength levels" and shit.
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#7348372 - 10/21/13 04:16 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
you did it for 4 weeks...


7 weeks, 26 lbs., no strength loss.
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#7348379 - 10/21/13 04:22 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Wayne, don't you squat like low 3--#s? And don't you bench 245 like 2-3 times?


Dude, not for nothing but that's not really very strong at all. Especially for someone to be so concerned with their "strength levels" and shit.


I get it I'm not jacked and adonis like, like yourself. if you want to do some strength ratio measurements to compare a lesser sized human to yourself then you'll find I'm pretty fucking strong for a guy who's 5'8 next to someone who's 6'5 and 280 on waivers for the patriots, ready to kick the field goal and fire up the grill.

but here's a toast to you for being more awesome and always right officer.
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#7348380 - 10/21/13 04:24 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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 Originally Posted By: 137
Silock was able to manage 3 weeks of exhaustive workouts on ud2.0 and it wasn't until around mid 3rd week and 4th week that he was able to get back to his baseline in strength.

He didn't lose any strength but he didn't gain any either.



Not trying to be crazy here, but giving up less than two months' time to lose that amount of fat but stay at a stall in strength for that time is a trade I'd make every single time. Staying still isn't going backwards and I picked up right where I left off
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#7348383 - 10/21/13 04:25 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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I'm neither 6'5" or 280 pounds.


I'd never play for the Patriots either.
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#7348389 - 10/21/13 04:29 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
 Originally Posted By: 137
Silock was able to manage 3 weeks of exhaustive workouts on ud2.0 and it wasn't until around mid 3rd week and 4th week that he was able to get back to his baseline in strength.

He didn't lose any strength but he didn't gain any either.



Not trying to be crazy here, but giving up less than two months' time to lose that amount of fat but stay at a stall in strength for that time is a trade I'd make every single time. Staying still isn't going backwards and I picked up right where I left off


Not to add to your non crazyness but fasting for 80 percent of the day or 48 hour fasts etc aren't part of UD2.0 am I right?

If so could you repeat those same results without the fasting for conversation sake, not making excuses or what not. You still were on a ridiculous deficit and drinking close to what 1000mg of caffeine a day to kill off hunger?

It took Cory quite some time to drop to his ghandi like shredded levels, and I don't ever remember checking in saying I stalled or wasn't making progress.

No ILM fitness here.
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#7348397 - 10/21/13 04:37 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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There's no restriction on fasting during UD2. It's all up to the individual. I don't remember doing a 48 hour fast during it.

The macros are most important and they are set whether you're fasting or not.
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#7348571 - 10/21/13 05:55 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Wayne, don't you squat like low 3--#s? And don't you bench 245 like 2-3 times?


Dude, not for nothing but that's not really very strong at all. Especially for someone to be so concerned with their "strength levels" and shit.


lol ain't a whole lot of gym goers that are legit squatting 300+ pounds...
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#7349152 - 10/22/13 07:09 AM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel

lol ain't a whole lot of gym goers that are legit squatting 300+ pounds...

You'd be amazed at the 5 kids I see at the gym legit squatting 300lbs. Had some big ole bautista lookin ass nigga roll up into the gym yesterday threw 4 plates on the bench and did like 3 sets of 10 reps then looked around the gym like he wanted to start a fight. lol
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#7349191 - 10/22/13 07:44 AM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
I didn't lose strength when I did my first cut on UD 2. Just sayin'.
well apparently you did according to diesel ;\)

but most people do with a drastic cut in calories.
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#7349199 - 10/22/13 07:48 AM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
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You fucking guys act like it's soooooo easy for someone to just drop calories and go through the day hungry... it's not...


I dont think anyone is acting like that or even thinks that. Of course its not easy. I did over 3 months myself recently giving the leangains a go..and overall it was a less than stellar experience for me. I did not respond as crazy as some people do. Yes I saw results(of course) but my strength was down...the lack of carbs is what did it for me. Some people it works nicely while for some not so much. I was on point with my macros too.

Its just the same old falling off the wagon or some secret eye of newt regime that "is gonna be the difference this time"....when a good old fashion willpower ,decent routine and watching his diet wouldve saw result years ago.

but I think we already know he thrives on the attention and silliness around these processes. So in short : were toasting in a roll bread ;\)


but really I think we all want to see him progress/reach his goals and it just gets somewhat frustrating to see him not get there after all this time.


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#7349211 - 10/22/13 07:56 AM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: Silock
I didn't lose strength when I did my first cut on UD 2. Just sayin'.
well apparently you did according to diesel ;\)

but most people do with a drastic cut in calories.


My logs say otherwise. ;\)
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#7350093 - 10/22/13 01:45 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Wayne, don't you squat like low 3--#s? And don't you bench 245 like 2-3 times?


Dude, not for nothing but that's not really very strong at all. Especially for someone to be so concerned with their "strength levels" and shit.


lol ain't a whole lot of gym goers that are legit squatting 300+ pounds...
I can. Most of my buddies can. It's not that much weight bro. Lol it's like 75 pounds more than my body weight.



I'm not saying it's not good for Wayne, I'm just saying with his obsession with "maintaining mass" you would think he's a pro lifter or athlete. The fact is he's neither impressively big or strong and he's not lean.
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#7350167 - 10/22/13 02:08 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
[quote=DieZel][quote=Artomantium]
I'm not saying it's not good for Wayne, I'm just saying with his obsession with "maintaining mass" you would think he's a pro lifter or athlete.

If I diet down to 165-175 somewhere in that range. I don't want to look like Mr. Mom when I get there, granted I'm not goldberg by ANY means. I think I have some decent size for my size and I'd like to maintain that if at all possible.

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The fact is he's neither impressively big or strong and he's not lean.

I wouldn't mind the muscle mass I have now and 20-25lbs less fat on my body, the ability to still wipe my own ass is also paramount lol
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#7350179 - 10/22/13 02:15 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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Dude, is that what you think? You're going to look like mr.mom or hxguy?


You're not. I mean, your chest will be lacking behind the rest but you will look 1000x better than you ever have, then you can add the calories and weight and actually see your gains in the mirror.



You're not going to shrivel up to nothing.


I looked way stronger at 207 pounds than I do at 225 pounds but obviously I'm stronger now.
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#7350304 - 10/22/13 03:15 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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your muscles wont fall off or wilt away. dafuq
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#7350376 - 10/22/13 03:45 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium

You're not going to shrivel up to nothing.


Damn he;s not that skinny man LOL
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#7350380 - 10/22/13 03:47 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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Dudes frail. So frail that his wife goes to work and he stays home and cleans.
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#7350443 - 10/22/13 04:23 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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 Originally Posted By: 137
 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
[quote=DieZel][quote=Artomantium]
I'm not saying it's not good for Wayne, I'm just saying with his obsession with "maintaining mass" you would think he's a pro lifter or athlete.

If I diet down to 165-175 somewhere in that range. I don't want to look like Mr. Mom when I get there, granted I'm not goldberg by ANY means. I think I have some decent size for my size and I'd like to maintain that if at all possible.

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The fact is he's neither impressively big or strong and he's not lean.

I wouldn't mind the muscle mass I have now and 20-25lbs less fat on my body, the ability to still wipe my own ass is also paramount lol


If you dropped to 175-80 and the majority of that being fat you will look more jacked and in the best shape of your life. Also, I highly doubt you'd lose that much strength...definitely not enough to be bummed about.

While this saying is played out, it does hold water. "Want to look like you gained 10lbs of muscle, lose 10lbs of fat." Art is right, I looked the biggest when I was at my lowest weight. It's weird.
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#7350545 - 10/22/13 05:40 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 98V-TeC]
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That's what he's trying to do guys...
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#7350590 - 10/22/13 06:09 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Dudes frail. So frail that his wife goes to work and he stays home and cleans.








Lol, wtf?


I'm far from "frail." I can hold my own in the real life, daily shit strength department...but I train 14 hours a week to go long and be somewhat fast doing it, not to build muscles that Aren't required for my chosen sport/hobby.

I could just as easily put that effort into weight training and see results that *might* make you meatheads happy, but I have no desire to.

My "protocol" has been working just fine since day 1...and my results are public information.

Edited by Mrs. Ironmom (10/22/13 06:23 PM)
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#7350637 - 10/22/13 06:37 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I was just kidding bro. relax, I have much love.
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#7350644 - 10/22/13 06:42 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: It's Art]
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Dude, I carried 8 bags of groceries from the car to the kitchen today, in one trip! COME AT ME!!!!
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#7350679 - 10/22/13 07:02 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Wayne, are you sure you're not so concerned with losing strength that you're compromising your weight loss goals?

I mean, even if you do lose a little strength, you'll get it back in like a month.
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#7351071 - 10/22/13 11:41 PM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
Wayne, are you sure you're not so concerned with losing strength that you're compromising your weight loss goals?

I mean, even if you do lose a little strength, you'll get it back in like a month.


I'm simply going to say I trust in Cory...

I don't want a dramatic drop in strength, I get more excited about being able to squat or bench 10 more pounds than last week than I do dropping a pound.

I know I am busting my ass in the gym, I am measuring the fuck out of this food, and I am being dilligent as a motherfucker with this shit. I don't understand what the rush is?
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#7351095 - 10/23/13 01:20 AM Re: Wayne... your blog... [Re: 137]
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Okay, just making sure.
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