#935078 - 01/18/07 09:50 PM
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EngineNoO9
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what's your full setup again? it's been so long I forget
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#935115 - 01/18/07 09:57 PM
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Dang. Are you still using that as a daily?
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#944259 - 01/20/07 08:55 AM
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Not yet.
Fingers crossed. Once this is done, not a single change will be made to the car till I know for sure whether or not I got in. If I do make it, I want to hit the comp with a tried and tested setup.
You know your car no doubt. However I'd keep it as much as you have it as possible. I live by two philosophies when going racing. Keep it simple and keep it the same. Don't go changing stuff the night before a race with no way to easily change it back. Even when I change fuel/timing maps I'll keep my old one handy to dump back into the car if the new one isn't working well. You need lots and lots of time testing new setups. The last thing you want to worry about in competition is what the car is doing or needs. If you just bring a well sorted car to the competition you'll most likely win because of that.
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#945223 - 01/20/07 05:22 PM
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Professor Paki
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I dont need the F1, dont want to too far over 700, because drivetrain parts will break on a regular basis. Even at 600rwhp the car had plenty of power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl0TJKh0YmU
Once Im done, and IF I get in, I have 4-5 months to dial in the car.
And Ian, the competition is only as good as the cars. It takes one hell of a ride to kick ass at the track, make power on the dyno, be emmissions and mpg friendly, and deliver a decent driving experience.
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#947340 - 01/21/07 12:09 PM
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EngineNoO9
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Even if he doesn't win... the recognition he can get by being in the mag would be worth it. Most die hard car people understand that some of the judging shit is crap and realize paki's car is pretty bad ass
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#950813 - 01/22/07 10:53 AM
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I am Jack's VR6
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Even if he doesn't win... the recognition he can get by being in the mag would be worth it. Most die hard car people understand that some of the judging shit is crap and realize paki's car is pretty bad ass
The recognition is worth what, exactly? Most die hard car people don't read SCC.
Paki, do what you'd like. Just stop for a second and think about the fact you are considering pluming a fake nitrous system for a shitty car magazine with a loaded competition.
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#953441 - 01/22/07 09:21 PM
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point is... the USCC is stupid.
The USCC is retarded... a DYNO event? comeon... yeah, let's see which car can make the most peak power, which would be unusable unless trying to launch off of an aircraft carrier sideways.
They look at and count area under the curve as well, so much for that idea.
MPG? I don't know a single car modder who is concerned with MPG... especially building a competent performance car.
oh well... not my event... which is why i started my own.
Agree somewhat, though I think you are missing the point.....what is the ultimate "street car"? I think its a car that can kick ass at everything a street car does, thus the "ultimate" title. Accordingly, mpg must factor in. God bless 6th gear.
Where and when is your event? I'll do it.
The reason Im doing it is that I dont want to be just another "Omg look at this super sweet vette" article in a vette mag, and I want to compete against DIFFERENT cars. Look at the average lineup of USCC. Its an enthusiasts wet dream. Vipers, skylines, supras, ultimas, twin engined hyundais? Youre goddamn right I want to put my car up against a diverse selection of heavily modified cars.
And as I said before, show me a single competition other than this one that comes close to what this one does. Show me, so I can enter that one too!
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#953453 - 01/22/07 09:23 PM
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I am Jack's VR6
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The nitrous system wont be fake, I just probably wont use it. I dont understand what you have against the comp? Show me a single mag that has as extensive a battery of tests? I thought it was a shitass comp as well when the 350Z won it, but then I realized it was because NONE of the other cars were well sorted to do well across the board. Hello 1000hp viper with no AC, and blinged out single turbo supra on 19 inch wheels.
If I get in, hell yes Im going to do it.
GRM's $2006 competition is a perfect example of a well sorted competition.
Here are some comments from last years LS7 RX7 to give you an idea of what really goes on.
I have not seen the issue yet. worst in environmental, No cats LOL worst in acceleration Talk about sand on the track [url] http://videos.streetfire.net/search/ls7+rx7/0/adcb6a55-0ce5-4a01-b498-982d00243fe2.htm[/url] I took the car to Sacramento race track to see what it would run without sand. [url] http://videos.streetfire.net/search/ls7+rx7/0/fecf5599-23cb-4806-bccd-983b002d54c5.htm[/url] Did poorly in show car My car is very clean but I do not have all of the ricer parts on my car. New paint 99 front bumper very clean r1 interior with Raceshop CM cage. braking My car brakes very good. They told us to brake at the 1st cone and this is where the track was in bad shape. The cars that did better in braking where braking further down the track where the track was in better shape. Talk about not following the rules and getting away with it. skidpad I think that I was in 3rd on this. road course My car was smoking bad on the turns so I only ran 2 warm up laps, no all out runs. It turns out that my motor was sucking in engine oil on the turns. I later fixed this with a catch can. Hp 3rd place, the only car on pump gas and no turbo. I was happy with 3rd. gross display This is easy with a v8 rx7 [url] http://videos.streetfire.net/search/ls7+rx7/0/3c33e75d-de7e-4370-bc4d-984201588c21.htm[/url] Midpack in economy 427 motor not too bad girlfriend test She was hot I had alot of fun in the event. Not everything was fair, but it never is. Mark do you want to add anything?
Then Mark chimes in. He had the silver LS1 RX7 that was in the USCC a couple years ago. He was there at last years USCC to help out LS1-FD.
This challenge has many pitfalls: The whole staff on the SCC Mag crew is new... and they didn't run it as smoothly as last year's event that is for sure. Less sponsors and absolutely no free stuff (ie Mother's products, Motul oils, free event Tshirt, etc).
The drag strip for this test is surrounded by concrete plants with dust/sand blowing across it all day long. It does the drag, 20-100mph test, and braking. Crappy prep and zero VHT on the track. It was a joke. So was last year just not as badly prepped. The braking rules were not enforced either which was total BS and gave an advantage to those that cheated. These results killed his overall points accumulation where he should've finished towards the top.
Like last year: The gas mileage loop they don't tell you that you can bring a large truck and draft behind it going 40mph on the freeway and then coast downhill for miles, plop in a different ECU setup for running super lean... and other tricks. The route was poorly signposted as well as some actually got lost and they didn't disqualify them.
The skidpad surface wasn't as nice as last years also and was in the process of being fixed.. Mike runs the stock sway bars and bushings which may limit the cars handling potential and he never really tested optimal tire pressures. You can ask him about his prep which I'm not 100% clear on. My buildup followed an SCCA National AutoX champion's setup (Andy McKee) and it worked well... just rides very stiff is the tradeoff and is very darty.
Another BS to note is this: They allow professional drivers to pilot the cars which certainly affects the end results in some tests. They certainly don't print it in the results.... Some people simply can't drive their own cars I guess. ie the Skyline had a professional Japanese Skyline racer at the strip, the NSX guy didn't drive the car at all, and many others had long time road racers pilot their cars at the road course which was their home track! IMO the event should be driven by the owner... even if they didn't build the car. Otherwise it simply turns into a who has the biggest wallet contest once again.
Racing/Contests is about bending the rules to the limit... it is also about enforcing them which the SCC Event staff was very loose about doing.
Head on over to the torquecentral forums if you want to talk to them. They might be able to help if things go through.
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#953484 - 01/22/07 09:28 PM
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Professor Paki
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Appreciate the info, Ian, and I have already gotten feedback from both of them (theyre on norcal-ls1 as am I). But none of that bothers me. If I get in and the competition is totally fucked up, so be it.
But none of what youve posted is new to me. I may have a few tricks up my own sleeve.
And I doubt they will ever let the car into the GRM competition.
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#953504 - 01/22/07 09:33 PM
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I'd enter a stock C6 Z06 in the USCC
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#958450 - 01/23/07 11:10 PM
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Last I checked there was more to this competition, no matter how lopsided it is, than racing Lamborghinis on the highway. I think a C6 Z06 would have more than an outside chance at winning if the driver was semi-competent.
More power to you, though.
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