#7957626 - 11/11/14 07:19 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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spd-dmn
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there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates
your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates
of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast.
what car?
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#7957676 - 11/11/14 08:00 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates
your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates
of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast.
what car?
+1
yeah the dealer will always have incentives from the manufacturer for selling certain models more than others, those usually get passed onto the customer...so hopefully you're buying one of those models.
hopefully the dlr "invoice" price they're starting you with is of course lower than msrp (again will depend on the model and how 'hot' it is, or if it's clearance/etc). always try to get rebates stacked on top of one another from your starting price.
dlr's are independently owned (except benz), so you can get different invoice price per dealer. it can help to know/trust someone working at teh dealer when buying, but not always a must.
dlr's don't make a lot on new cars honestly, it's service that makes them $$$ (and parts+accessories sales). cheaper cars bring in less than higher end models of course...if i showed you what a dealer makes selling a Honda Fit you'd laugh lol.
Edited by Screamin DC2R (11/11/14 08:01 AM)
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#7958249 - 11/11/14 12:39 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates
your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates
of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast.
what car? +1 yeah the dealer will always have incentives from the manufacturer for selling certain models more than others, those usually get passed onto the customer...so hopefully you're buying one of those models. hopefully the dlr "invoice" price they're starting you with is of course lower than msrp (again will depend on the model and how 'hot' it is, or if it's clearance/etc). always try to get rebates stacked on top of one another from your starting price. dlr's are independently owned (except benz), so you can get different invoice price per dealer. it can help to know/trust someone working at teh dealer when buying, but not always a must. dlr's don't make a lot on new cars honestly, it's service that makes them $$$ (and parts+accessories sales). cheaper cars bring in less than higher end models of course...if i showed you what a dealer makes selling a Honda Fit you'd laugh lol.
then that's where you come in and help us out to tell us in PM which stealerships we should be buying our hondas from!
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#7958670 - 11/11/14 03:34 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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Not sure yet, it's between a hyundai accent, vw golf or nissan versa. She wants a small hatch and those are the ones she liked when she went to look now we have to test drive and figure out. Whatever she gets will probably be a base model car, she doesn't care about more powerful engines and fancy gadgets. The only things she demands is manual transmission, AC and power window/locks.
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#7958957 - 11/11/14 06:58 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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I found car cost canada was a good starting point as well.
Edit the Hyundai probably will be the most reliable.
Edited by JEFFOS (11/11/14 06:58 PM)
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#7958980 - 11/11/14 07:11 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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Do NOT buy a fucking VW.
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#7958989 - 11/11/14 07:16 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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My mother in law drives a VW Jetta and I am the first person to be asked on a weekly basis "why does it do that, what is that noise, can you look at it, should I take it in"?
Yea fuck that shit, if it was a honda i wouldn't have these issues. I hate VW.
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#7959003 - 11/11/14 07:27 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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Too small? GTFO
You need to sit down and have a talk asap.
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#7959006 - 11/11/14 07:29 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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My mother in law drives a VW Jetta mkiv doe ?
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#7959133 - 11/11/14 09:01 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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She currently drives a honda and i'd prefer if she got another but she said the fit was too small
details on the fit?
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#7959463 - 11/12/14 06:59 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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spd-dmn
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when you figure out the exact models and trims you're shopping let me know what they are.
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#7959869 - 11/12/14 10:32 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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I don't drive shit anymore, all work from home
That being said, it's just like any other car, it's got it's quirks but with my experiences I'd always recommend one. Some people hate them, some people love them.
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#7959905 - 11/12/14 10:50 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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It seems like every time we see a picture of that Jetta, it's on the back of a tow truck.
That's the fun stuff though, you guys don't wanna see the high 40mpg tanks and almost 400k it's racked up.
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#7959962 - 11/12/14 11:23 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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I owned a 2001 GTI 1.8T for 9.5 years. Seriously nothing crazy went on the car, everything was wear and tear parts and maintenance. Maybe your MIL's Jetta 1.8T was a lemon or EUE? This goes out to whoever complains VW is shit. dat electrical problem, Bosch parts! I am sure Bill can talk about his MKIV Jetta ownership, that dude drives like 50K a year
It's a 2002 1.8T that she bought brand new and did all regular maintenance, it has like 165k.
The automatic tranny is the biggest issue, I've talked to Bill about it many times, it's a lost cause on this car. The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details.
A rear spring broke, HOW THE FUCK DOES A SPRING BREAK? This was like 5 years ago, is that a wear and tear item on a low mileage car that's rustproofed?
Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit, now i've converted her to a vwvortex troll and she drives around with spare coil packs in trunk...regular maintenance right?
The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit. The "leather" the cushioning, just everything is completely trashed and we are talking about a 5'1 woman that's like 110 lbs driving this.
Constant fucking changing of light bulbs, this one is my favourite honestly, regular maintenance to change fucking light bulbs monthly.
On second set of hood shocks now, shock mounts are under engineered, they keep failing, power brakes don't always work, shit rattles, glovebox doesn't close, doesn't pull as hard as it used to, I am not even going to get into that. Waiting for the car to be written off or something.
I don't even remember half of it as I told her I am not dealing with that shit again...there is a CEL always, I don't know what it is at this point.
The only positive is they are built like tanks.
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#7960020 - 11/12/14 11:56 AM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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O1M auto trannies in the MKIVs are the worst fucking transmission on the planet And yeah, springs do break. I've never had one go but it's not uncommon. Most people drive around with them and have no idea.
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#7960368 - 11/12/14 02:29 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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It's a 2002 1.8T that she bought brand new and did all regular maintenance, it has like 165k.
The automatic tranny is the biggest issue, I've talked to Bill about it many times, it's a lost cause on this car. The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details.
A rear spring broke, HOW THE FUCK DOES A SPRING BREAK? This was like 5 years ago, is that a wear and tear item on a low mileage car that's rustproofed?
Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit, now i've converted her to a vwvortex troll and she drives around with spare coil packs in trunk...regular maintenance right?
The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit. The "leather" the cushioning, just everything is completely trashed and we are talking about a 5'1 woman that's like 110 lbs driving this.
Constant fucking changing of light bulbs, this one is my favourite honestly, regular maintenance to change fucking light bulbs monthly.
On second set of hood shocks now, shock mounts are under engineered, they keep failing, power brakes don't always work, shit rattles, glovebox doesn't close, doesn't pull as hard as it used to, I am not even going to get into that. Waiting for the car to be written off or something.
I don't even remember half of it as I told her I am not dealing with that shit again...there is a CEL always, I don't know what it is at this point.
The only positive is they are built like tanks.
LMAO funnest post ever...
I had original springs break on a honda. This was an EF that was hmm...12 years old at the time. So I am not surprised to hear that the spring broke.
BTW:
I The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details.
Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit
The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit.
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#7960736 - 11/12/14 06:09 PM
Re: Dealer car costs and new car shopping.
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spd-dmn
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i have access to the basic invoice pricing for most models sold in canada
its not the 'true' price the dealer pays (as said, that would be calculated with holdback and quarterly bonuses) but its a half-decent starting point
and even if that model is not there yet, i can just apply the same margin as the next closest one
and if you do decide to go vw, then definitely shoot me a msg
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