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My mom is buying a new car and she asked me to go with her. I've never actually bought a new car from a dealership so i've never had to go through the negotation process with a car salesperson. Is there any real sites that give the approximate dealer costs of cars. I found a couple on google but from what i'm reading they're far from accurate and are sponsored by dealerships to get your info. Also, whats an acceptable percentage to pay above dealers cost? Is freight and all the other bullshit fees negotiable or do you just suck those up after agreeing on an acceptable price for the car? |
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Yes, car cost canada, or unhaggle.com Both will give you an idea of what the invoice on the car is, but they don't show the hidden kickbacks. Negotiate up from invoice, not down from MSRP. |
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Last time I did that CarCostCanada thing was in 2000... IIRC, they say ... here's the invoice price. For invoie + $500-750 we have this specific sales guy at this specific dealership willing to do it NOW. What they don't tell you is that 'invoice' price still has some built-in buffer from what I recall... i.e. I faxed around the 'invoice' price, and got a couple bites to meet it, meaning those guys didn't get the $500-750... which to me implies there's buffer built-in. |
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Thats what I mean, I read that the two sites posted above aren't accurate and is more of a way for the dealerships to bait you in. Dealerships supposedly sponsor those sites, your info is then passed along to them so they know what you think is "invoice price". |
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Like I mentioned, there are kickbacks (or incentives), whatever you want to call it that are backend loaded that the manufacturer pays to the dealer if they sell X amount of cars. You will never see this on the invoice price. |
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there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast. what car? |
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Originally Posted By: spd-dmn there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast. what car? +1 yeah the dealer will always have incentives from the manufacturer for selling certain models more than others, those usually get passed onto the customer...so hopefully you're buying one of those models. hopefully the dlr "invoice" price they're starting you with is of course lower than msrp (again will depend on the model and how 'hot' it is, or if it's clearance/etc). always try to get rebates stacked on top of one another from your starting price. dlr's are independently owned (except benz), so you can get different invoice price per dealer. it can help to know/trust someone working at teh dealer when buying, but not always a must. dlr's don't make a lot on new cars honestly, it's service that makes them $$$ (and parts+accessories sales). cheaper cars bring in less than higher end models of course...if i showed you what a dealer makes selling a Honda Fit you'd laugh lol. |
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Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R Originally Posted By: spd-dmn there are both advertised and unadvertised manufacturer rebates your starting point should be invoice minus any advertised rebates of course this depends on the model you're after... hot cars don't need to be discounted as heavily because the next buyer will come along fast. what car? +1 yeah the dealer will always have incentives from the manufacturer for selling certain models more than others, those usually get passed onto the customer...so hopefully you're buying one of those models. hopefully the dlr "invoice" price they're starting you with is of course lower than msrp (again will depend on the model and how 'hot' it is, or if it's clearance/etc). always try to get rebates stacked on top of one another from your starting price. dlr's are independently owned (except benz), so you can get different invoice price per dealer. it can help to know/trust someone working at teh dealer when buying, but not always a must. dlr's don't make a lot on new cars honestly, it's service that makes them $$$ (and parts+accessories sales). cheaper cars bring in less than higher end models of course...if i showed you what a dealer makes selling a Honda Fit you'd laugh lol. then that's where you come in and help us out to tell us in PM which stealerships we should be buying our hondas from! |
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^lol, that i have no idea brah, i don't deal with sales side. :P |
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Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R ^lol, that i have no idea brah, i don't deal with sales side. :P yeah sure.. wink wink nudge nudge |
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Originally Posted By: spd-dmn what car? Not sure yet, it's between a hyundai accent, vw golf or nissan versa. She wants a small hatch and those are the ones she liked when she went to look now we have to test drive and figure out. Whatever she gets will probably be a base model car, she doesn't care about more powerful engines and fancy gadgets. The only things she demands is manual transmission, AC and power window/locks. |
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I found car cost canada was a good starting point as well. Edit the Hyundai probably will be the most reliable. |
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Do NOT buy a fucking VW. |
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Really? That is her favourite one lol. What's the issue with them.. reliability? maintenance? |
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My mother in law drives a VW Jetta and I am the first person to be asked on a weekly basis "why does it do that, what is that noise, can you look at it, should I take it in"? Yea fuck that shit, if it was a honda i wouldn't have these issues. I hate VW. |
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She currently drives a honda and i'd prefer if she got another but she said the fit was too small |
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Too small? GTFO You need to sit down and have a talk asap. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business My mother in law drives a VW Jetta |
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Originally Posted By: robbbby She currently drives a honda and i'd prefer if she got another but she said the fit was too small details on the fit? |
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when you figure out the exact models and trims you're shopping let me know what they are. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Do NOT buy a fucking VW. I owned a 2001 GTI 1.8T for 9.5 years. Seriously nothing crazy went on the car, everything was wear and tear parts and maintenance. Maybe your MIL's Jetta 1.8T was a lemon or EUE? This goes out to whoever complains VW is shit. dat electrical problem, Bosch parts! I am sure Bill can talk about his MKIV Jetta ownership, that dude drives like 50K a year |
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I don't drive shit anymore, all work from home That being said, it's just like any other car, it's got it's quirks but with my experiences I'd always recommend one. Some people hate them, some people love them. |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY I don't drive shit anymore, all work from home That being said, it's just like any other car, it's got it's quirks but with my experiences I'd always recommend one. Some people hate them, some people love them. Then you should switch from a Diesel to a Hybrid if you drive as little as Hatorade and his M3 I would buy your Jetta Wagon TDI if you put up for sale |
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It seems like every time we see a picture of that Jetta, it's on the back of a tow truck. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie _82 It seems like every time we see a picture of that Jetta, it's on the back of a tow truck. That's the fun stuff though, you guys don't wanna see the high 40mpg tanks and almost 400k it's racked up. |
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Originally Posted By: iamfob Originally Posted By: Risky Business Do NOT buy a fucking VW. I owned a 2001 GTI 1.8T for 9.5 years. Seriously nothing crazy went on the car, everything was wear and tear parts and maintenance. Maybe your MIL's Jetta 1.8T was a lemon or EUE? This goes out to whoever complains VW is shit. dat electrical problem, Bosch parts! I am sure Bill can talk about his MKIV Jetta ownership, that dude drives like 50K a year It's a 2002 1.8T that she bought brand new and did all regular maintenance, it has like 165k. The automatic tranny is the biggest issue, I've talked to Bill about it many times, it's a lost cause on this car. The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details. A rear spring broke, HOW THE FUCK DOES A SPRING BREAK? This was like 5 years ago, is that a wear and tear item on a low mileage car that's rustproofed? Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit, now i've converted her to a vwvortex troll and she drives around with spare coil packs in trunk...regular maintenance right? The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit. The "leather" the cushioning, just everything is completely trashed and we are talking about a 5'1 woman that's like 110 lbs driving this. Constant fucking changing of light bulbs, this one is my favourite honestly, regular maintenance to change fucking light bulbs monthly. On second set of hood shocks now, shock mounts are under engineered, they keep failing, power brakes don't always work, shit rattles, glovebox doesn't close, doesn't pull as hard as it used to, I am not even going to get into that. Waiting for the car to be written off or something. I don't even remember half of it as I told her I am not dealing with that shit again...there is a CEL always, I don't know what it is at this point. The only positive is they are built like tanks. |
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I know the 1.8T are famous for random misfire and trigger the engine light. I have a VAGCOM and scanned the car weekly. It doesn't effect the driveability of the car and I was still getting 580-600+ km a tank on Shell 91 (55L gas tank). The earlier model have MAF sensor and ignition coils issue. Mine was under recall by VW Canada and replaced once, it was fine for 80,000KM since the free recall. I guess I am the lucky one. The door lock actuator and window clips were another known issue on the 99.5 to 02 model. But once you fixed it the first time with the revised unit and part, it didn't give me any problem. As for the leather part, mine was fine. I don't know about your MIL I was on H&R Cup kit so I barely use my stock springs and struts. Mine was 5 speed so no issue. But I have heard a lot of stories about the crappy 4 speed auto. I got lucky with light bulbs (replaced maybe brake light bulbs in 9 years) and hood shock (never had to replaced when I sold the car at 180K) Again my experience is definitely different than Vas MIL and Bill. I guess I was more lucky than most MKIV owners. |
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O1M auto trannies in the MKIVs are the worst fucking transmission on the planet And yeah, springs do break. I've never had one go but it's not uncommon. Most people drive around with them and have no idea. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business It's a 2002 1.8T that she bought brand new and did all regular maintenance, it has like 165k. The automatic tranny is the biggest issue, I've talked to Bill about it many times, it's a lost cause on this car. The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details. A rear spring broke, HOW THE FUCK DOES A SPRING BREAK? This was like 5 years ago, is that a wear and tear item on a low mileage car that's rustproofed? Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit, now i've converted her to a vwvortex troll and she drives around with spare coil packs in trunk...regular maintenance right? The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit. The "leather" the cushioning, just everything is completely trashed and we are talking about a 5'1 woman that's like 110 lbs driving this. Constant fucking changing of light bulbs, this one is my favourite honestly, regular maintenance to change fucking light bulbs monthly. On second set of hood shocks now, shock mounts are under engineered, they keep failing, power brakes don't always work, shit rattles, glovebox doesn't close, doesn't pull as hard as it used to, I am not even going to get into that. Waiting for the car to be written off or something. I don't even remember half of it as I told her I am not dealing with that shit again...there is a CEL always, I don't know what it is at this point. The only positive is they are built like tanks. LMAO funnest post ever... I had original springs break on a honda. This was an EF that was hmm...12 years old at the time. So I am not surprised to hear that the spring broke. BTW: Originally Posted By: Risky Business I The transmission is a piece of shit, I will spare you the details. Blows coil packs every 6 months or so, piece of shit The interior has not held up well, wow what a piece of shit. http://thesaurus.com |
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Originally Posted By: spd-dmn when you figure out the exact models and trims you're shopping let me know what they are. You can help with pricing for all makes or is it just one specific brand? |
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i have access to the basic invoice pricing for most models sold in canada its not the 'true' price the dealer pays (as said, that would be calculated with holdback and quarterly bonuses) but its a half-decent starting point and even if that model is not there yet, i can just apply the same margin as the next closest one and if you do decide to go vw, then definitely shoot me a msg |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Unless you're complaining about the door handles and the radio cage (That scratch easy).. |
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Went to go look at hyundai accent, vw golf and nissan versa today. Probably won't end up with any of those, she really wants the hyundai veloster turbo now. |
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I drove it, it's a fun little car, styling is somewhere between "meh" and "not bad". She drove the accent and hated it, tried the veloster and loved how much sportier is felt. She liked the golf but the veloster is a better deal, and she's all about the 5/100k warranty. |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it I have zero issue admitting that the mk4 jetta/golf structurally feel significantly sturdier...but this is like a 4age review of "feelz" on sturdiness which is irrelevant to real life application. While an EG/EK civic may not *feel* as sturdy they were built so much better (and are plenty sturdy for real life), and i can't emphasize or quantify *how much better* they are than a piece of shit vw of an era a decade ahead. I'd like to give the VW more credit, but I can't, and I consider myself a pretty fair person when it comes to honest reviews. TO me it's laughable that I can take a 1992 hatchback now 22 years later and put it up against a 12 year old dub and walk away feeling completely appalled by the vw in every imaginable way, AND i gave it a 10 year advantage, like wtf. btw i just remembered half of my MIL radio buttons have fallen off randomly as well...those are regular maintenance as well right ? such quality |
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Ive got 75,000kms on my Veloster Turbo now and its been rock solid. Ive had the steering wheel replaced cause the pleather was cracking and one of the strut mounts needed to be tightened, (both under warranty) otherwise its been problem free. The weird 3rd door is super practical, the hatch holds a ton of stuff, its great in the snow and gets 7.5-8L/100km mostly city and with my lead foot. Gets down into the mid 6's when the wife commutes on the highway. Stereo, navi, BT all work great, comfy seats, big moonroof, rear view camera, keyless, etc. The newer ones even have a E-Diff electronic LSD now. Only real complaints are that the big wheels and low pro tires can make for a rough ride on some streets. Im already considering buying an updated '16 when they come out. I used CCC on both this car and my Genesis and save about $1500 off the MSRP. |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it I have zero issue admitting that the mk4 jetta/golf structurally feel significantly sturdier...but this is like a 4age review of "feelz" on sturdiness which is irrelevant to real life application. While an EG/EK civic may not *feel* as sturdy they were built so much better (and are plenty sturdy for real life), and i can't emphasize or quantify *how much better* they are than a piece of shit vw of an era a decade ahead. I'd like to give the VW more credit, but I can't, and I consider myself a pretty fair person when it comes to honest reviews. TO me it's laughable that I can take a 1992 hatchback now 22 years later and put it up against a 12 year old dub and walk away feeling completely appalled by the vw in every imaginable way, AND i gave it a 10 year advantage, like wtf. btw i just remembered half of my MIL radio buttons have fallen off randomly as well...those are regular maintenance as well right ? such quality Radio buttons I don't have one of those fancy radios |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it I have zero issue admitting that the mk4 jetta/golf structurally feel significantly sturdier...but this is like a 4age review of "feelz" on sturdiness which is irrelevant to real life application. While an EG/EK civic may not *feel* as sturdy they were built so much better (and are plenty sturdy for real life), and i can't emphasize or quantify *how much better* they are than a piece of shit vw of an era a decade ahead. I'd like to give the VW more credit, but I can't, and I consider myself a pretty fair person when it comes to honest reviews. TO me it's laughable that I can take a 1992 hatchback now 22 years later and put it up against a 12 year old dub and walk away feeling completely appalled by the vw in every imaginable way, AND i gave it a 10 year advantage, like wtf. btw i just remembered half of my MIL radio buttons have fallen off randomly as well...those are regular maintenance as well right ? such quality lel wut? really? VW interior is that bad? wow. the only interior issue I have in my 7th gen civic is the rocking drivers seat, but i need to fix it before I drock myself to sleep while driving. Despite of what euphoric says about the 7th gen civic, but my civic has been rock solid for a 2003 car. |
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Vas is disgruntled. I've got like a million kms inside MKIVs, I don't know where some of these guys come up with this shit |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY I've got like a million kms inside MKIVs behind a tow truck Phst. FTFY |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Didn't you own a Neon? Oh yeah, it was a stupid fast lil fucker. But if you want to compare the reliability factor of the peon and the civic. I'll gladly take my civic over the peon anyday of the week. Oh how I dont miss the crack in the coolant hoses behind the turbo, melted catalytic converters, fused clutch, burnt tires, boost leaks, fuel pump failures, and FUCK hand crank rear windows |
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I think I've done more work on my stupid truck for the mileage it's been driven then my wagon, lol. That reminds me, the headlight switch decided to go the other day. |
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Originally Posted By: c2k Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it I have zero issue admitting that the mk4 jetta/golf structurally feel significantly sturdier...but this is like a 4age review of "feelz" on sturdiness which is irrelevant to real life application. While an EG/EK civic may not *feel* as sturdy they were built so much better (and are plenty sturdy for real life), and i can't emphasize or quantify *how much better* they are than a piece of shit vw of an era a decade ahead. I'd like to give the VW more credit, but I can't, and I consider myself a pretty fair person when it comes to honest reviews. TO me it's laughable that I can take a 1992 hatchback now 22 years later and put it up against a 12 year old dub and walk away feeling completely appalled by the vw in every imaginable way, AND i gave it a 10 year advantage, like wtf. btw i just remembered half of my MIL radio buttons have fallen off randomly as well...those are regular maintenance as well right ? such quality lel wut? really? VW interior is that bad? wow. the only interior issue I have in my 7th gen civic is the rocking drivers seat, but i need to fix it before I drock myself to sleep while driving. Despite of what euphoric says about the 7th gen civic, but my civic has been rock solid for a 2003 car. Also the famous driver side seat buckle problem. SRS light is always on and my buckle doesn't like to lock the seatbelt when I buckle. I have to wiggle it 10+ times before it locked itself in place I called the dealer for a quote on a new buckle. $299+HST Fuck Honda |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Vas is disgruntled. I've got like a million kms inside MKIVs, I don't know where some of these guys come up with this shit Same here, I owned for for 9.5 years and have a lot of friends with MKIV since 2000. I really think it's the car that Vas MIL owns or EUE. Go on Vortex, I never seen people complain about the interior and buttons falling out of the radio. Well mind you, I upgraded to the Blaupunkt aftermarket deck 3 months after I bought the car. But other than the driver's door handle is peeling due to wear and tear, I really don't have much complaint of stuffs falling out/breaking |
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Originally Posted By: furball Mazda just came up with unlimited mile warranty on 2015 and up... Until the day I see majority of Mazda 3/5 that are not a rust bucket, I will never buy a Mazda. Have you seen how badly the rust on the 05+ Mazda 3 and the early model Mazda 5? It's pathetic! |
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Wouldn't this 'unlimited mile warranty' "resolve" that? It's always been sad to see rear-quarter rust on those Mazdas... Brings back all those visions of 5th/6th gen Civics... Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Mazdas are rust machines. |
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Well now, how's that for herp derp ... Originally Posted By: Euphoric It's unlimited mileage. Still 3-5 yrs |
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Originally Posted By: iamfob Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Vas is disgruntled. I've got like a million kms inside MKIVs, I don't know where some of these guys come up with this shit Same here, I owned for for 9.5 years and have a lot of friends with MKIV since 2000. I really think it's the car that Vas MIL owns or EUE. Go on Vortex, I never seen people complain about the interior and buttons falling out of the radio. Well mind you, I upgraded to the Blaupunkt aftermarket deck 3 months after I bought the car. But other than the driver's door handle is peeling due to wear and tear, I really don't have much complaint of stuffs falling out/breaking I am noticing a common trend among VW owners, lol apologists. I guess coming from Hondas my whole life I didn't have to deal with breaking transmissions, interiors falling apart, and broken springs by the time the car hit 160k which has full service history from greenbelt vw. vw bros scheduled maintenance: Year 1: replace all bulbs + coil packs monthly Year 2: Year 1 scheduled maintenance plus replace transmission, also frequency of coil pack replacement will increase because it's scheduled maintenance (every 2 weeks) Year 3: Year 1 + Year 2 maint, car is almost ready for the scrap yard, if you want to give it a kick at the can, throw in a motor since that routine maintenance is Year 4 (if you make it to that point). lel such EUE many reliability |
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O1M, awful transmission, no denying that should have bought the O2J 5spd. Coilpacks? Updated design ones are absolutely fine. Broken springs? Shit happens. My buddies 2002 Accord shifts like the tranny is about to drop out from the bottom of the car Such JDM, much sweetness, so tuna! Listening to someone bitch about a car he doesn't drive and only attempts to maintain is priceless. |
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Originally Posted By: iamfob Originally Posted By: c2k Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Originally Posted By: Euphoric the interior on the mkiv is pretty shit durability wise. Not really.. Compared to what else in its segment? And please don't say Honda Without being a euphoric an EG/EK honda interior is like 100000000x better than mk4 jetta/golf in terms of longevity, rattles, etc. This is not even for debate, vw interior is utter shit. Might as well drive on a milk crate wrapped in burlap. No joke, cushioning is shit, leather/pleather/feather/wahteverthefuckeather is all cracked, nikraz please. None of my civics ever fell apart like a pos VW Your Civics were tin cans, lined with hard plastic wrapped around lawnmower engines. Such luxury! Just admit, you hate your moms car because she asks you to work on it I have zero issue admitting that the mk4 jetta/golf structurally feel significantly sturdier...but this is like a 4age review of "feelz" on sturdiness which is irrelevant to real life application. While an EG/EK civic may not *feel* as sturdy they were built so much better (and are plenty sturdy for real life), and i can't emphasize or quantify *how much better* they are than a piece of shit vw of an era a decade ahead. I'd like to give the VW more credit, but I can't, and I consider myself a pretty fair person when it comes to honest reviews. TO me it's laughable that I can take a 1992 hatchback now 22 years later and put it up against a 12 year old dub and walk away feeling completely appalled by the vw in every imaginable way, AND i gave it a 10 year advantage, like wtf. btw i just remembered half of my MIL radio buttons have fallen off randomly as well...those are regular maintenance as well right ? such quality lel wut? really? VW interior is that bad? wow. the only interior issue I have in my 7th gen civic is the rocking drivers seat, but i need to fix it before I drock myself to sleep while driving. Despite of what euphoric says about the 7th gen civic, but my civic has been rock solid for a 2003 car. Also the famous driver side seat buckle problem. SRS light is always on and my buckle doesn't like to lock the seatbelt when I buckle. I have to wiggle it 10+ times before it locked itself in place I called the dealer for a quote on a new buckle. $299+HST Fuck Honda My buckle was replaced under warranty by Honda Canada. Honda paid for the part and I paid .5 hour of labour. My car was well out of warranty. So not sure why fuck honda? I found out honda canada was able to help through the big help of internet - have you met internet? internet is such a big help and usually comes through with information i need! |
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Ya its a little trollish. Have read the details. Any mkiv I've seen that's actual been used has a terrible interior. Mostly worn out and a lot of broken bits. That soft touch shit sucks. Same in my wagon. Has soft touch around the parking brake area and it's all scratched and worn out. You look at it and it scratches itself. The rest of mine seems to be holding up ok though ... |
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only red 2014 turbo velosters left in ontario and she doesn't want red, looks like it's back to the golf. |
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Does it have to be a '14? |
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Originally Posted By: Dumbass Does it have to be a '14? $7k off msrp for the remaining '14s |
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For that Id like red lol. |
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that's what I said, she wanted black. |
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Originally Posted By: robbbby Originally Posted By: Dumbass Does it have to be a '14? $7k off msrp for the remaining '14s Originally Posted By: robbbby that's what I said, she wanted black. Spend $2k-$3k and wrap it in whatever colour she wants. Still come out ahead. |
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Originally Posted By: robbbby she wanted black. |
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$7000 saving?! I love to buy cars this time of year. Too bad I am not in the market for a car |