#7641632 - 04/10/14 11:00 AM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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I think just getting in and doing the motions is all that's needed. At least while training short to moderate distances, for us newbies.
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#7641752 - 04/10/14 11:59 AM
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Mine usually consists of 5-15 bud lights or twisted teas. followed by 30mph whips outside the wake on a tube/wakeboard and then recovery swim from however far away i end up.
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#7641758 - 04/10/14 12:04 PM
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I think just getting in and doing the motions is all that's needed. At least while training short to moderate distances, for us newbies.
I suppose but I feel obligated to put in a good effort on the swim because I ain't passing anybody on the bike [alright.... MAYBE somebody will flat lol] and sure as shit won't be passing anyone on the run 
My only chance to get up somewhere decent in the rankings is on the swim leg for sure. So I feel like I have to at least train to my strengths. In other words---the opposite of what everybody recommends. If I listened to them I'd just drop everything and work on running.
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#7641770 - 04/10/14 12:10 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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I should probably let Chris weigh in since he's actually done one. But I'm told the swim is so short that unless you're a snail it won't make much difference. Seems the transition areas and the run are the biggest opportunities.
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#7642198 - 04/10/14 03:08 PM
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Holy crap.
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#7642225 - 04/10/14 03:17 PM
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Im not sure id say 99%. All the good tri guys I know spent some time in a proper swim program. And I dont mean a few weeks. Though i guess that number could be up there for weekend warrior/masters types.
. I swear water kept rushing into my noise unless I was constantly exhaling. you should be exhaling between breaths....
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#7642388 - 04/10/14 05:12 PM
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Im not sure id say 99%. All the good tri guys I know spent some time in a proper swim program. And I dont mean a few weeks. Though i guess that number could be up there for weekend warrior/masters types. . I swear water kept rushing into my noise unless I was constantly exhaling. you should be exhaling between breaths....
Yeah, I'm talking about people just getting into the sport at a later age...which makes up a very very large portion of any given Tri. You can look at results from any race and see that the number of competitors in the 35-39 or older age groups are usually twice as big as the 25 and under. I think that's mostly because those would be college aged kids and they will be focused on one sport.
My point is that anybody can go out and run or ride a bike. Proper freestyle form doesn't seem to come naturally to most people...and the older you are, the harder it comes. Open water mass starts also cause the most anxiety for newbies, so that's another hurdle that's isn't easy to overcome.
I've yet to meet a decently fast swimmer at a Tri that didn't have some kind of youth organized swim experience.
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#7642439 - 04/10/14 06:19 PM
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I wonder if art could go sub 50 seconds in a 50, guessing no
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#7643028 - 04/11/14 07:04 AM
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Actually....more body fat is helpful to swimming efficiently and quickly. What dat float do?  I'm pretty sure my swim times slowed down as I lost most of my excess body fat....on the same amount of training. I had to up my time in the pool to get that speed back. anyone who is fast is generally carrying minimal fat. :p
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#7643237 - 04/11/14 09:29 AM
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#7643538 - 04/11/14 11:44 AM
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I dunno I think we're confusing an un-related property for some type of benefit. I've competed in swimming anywhere from like 8% BF (college/NCAA) to whatever I was a couple years ago (20s heh) and the only difference is slowing down, the 'do u even lift bro' guys that complain about swimming all have similar stroke deficits but were chasing the symptom for the cause. They always fail to glide or at least not have each additional stroke function as some kind of brake whe it enters the water, don't properly capture the water, rotate, and raise the hips properly. I always see some peculiar body angle with dropped hips. But it all starts with failure to basically 'catch' the water properly. Normally they are pushing down or something weird at the beginning of the stroke--easy to see underwater. I have no idea how to help them fix it. If they want to believe its their magic lean muscle mass that means they can't use proper form, who am I to argue. I see a lot of strange attitudes such as (bro? Do u know how much I can lift?) rather than trying to work on technique like everyone else does regardless of how advanced they might already be.
Some people get fat. Some swimmers get fat. That doesn't mean that because some swimmers get fat that being fat makes you fast(ER) just because it surprises people that in any other sport it REALLY slows you down, just not so much in swimming.
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#7643689 - 04/11/14 12:56 PM
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#7643711 - 04/11/14 01:04 PM
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#7660009 - 04/22/14 02:50 PM
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Yeah I was looking at some tri workouts they go like this Warmup Swim 1000 Warmdown Get out 
This was my workout today, lol. I finally got access to a lap pool again, so I am hoping to get in 2-3x a week. I will post my progress to keep the thread alive. Today, I did 1000m in 20 minutes. Pretty decent for just getting back into the pool after 4 months off. The garmin 310XT didn't work in the pool as well as I had hoped. However, I bike to the pool and back home, so the multi sport mode works out really well.
Lap swimming according to the GPS. It recorded 1200m as 1.5mi. 
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#7660596 - 04/22/14 10:24 PM
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The garmin 310XT didn't work in the pool as well as I had hoped. However, I bike to the pool and back home, so the multi sport mode works out really well.
How were you wearing the 310XT, on your wrist? Some people have reported drastically improved accuracy if you place it under your swim cap (assuming you're wearing one during training) than on your wrist.
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#7661117 - 04/23/14 10:24 AM
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awesome lol, I was considering doing that [GPS watch in the pool] some seem to use a pre-determined pool-lap size and detect a flip-turn or something/rapid acceleration and simply counting laps. Pretty darn accurate they say. Perhaps if you blow a flip-turn and barely touch it won't count the lap tho [dont do that then, duh] thats totally a solid pace [2:00 100m], good job! I'm working on my technique and particularly the freestyle kick at this point including underwater streamline/butterfly kick from the walls.Trying to improve my age-group 50 and 100m sprint speed  theres a new guy in my masters class thats a faster sprinter than me [in workouts, not sure about block start but probably] and it is annoying me greatly  I like the feeling of speed/sprint work mainly I try to get in (2) masters swim classes/week and at least 1 if not 2 days surfing in/week. Not sure how much those last 2 contribute to anything though lol
Thanks, I actually am not too skilled in kick turns yet, so I wasn't doing them during this swim. They actually have a Master swim program where I am at. They post the workout board, and anyone can do them, but they are always equate to something like 3500m , I'm just not there yet. And if I could substitute swimming for surfing, I would as well, even with no benefit lol.
How were you wearing the 310XT, on your wrist? Some people have reported drastically improved accuracy if you place it under your swim cap (assuming you're wearing one during training) than on your wrist.
Yeah, I had it on my wrist. Don't have a swim cap, but I may need one just for the GPS.
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#7670530 - 04/29/14 01:02 PM
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looks like her stroke is a little choppy doe? /didnt stay at a holiday inn recently.
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#7670634 - 04/29/14 01:44 PM
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I'm just hating, its better form than 95% of people that try [making that # up on the spot]. perhaps its the camera angle, looks a little choppy is all.
chicks tend to swim it more hip driven so possibly that is also my general ignorance speaking. Butterfly is something I simply try to survive. I have a huge butterfly kick problem past about lap 2 lol. On my personal 'depth chart' butterfly is a dead last. I barely broke a minute the rare time or two I was forced to compete it in college --which is pathetic to be perfectly frank [100 yards PR of like 58:xx]
tbh I don't see the point of swimming butterfly, hence my annoyance running into an impromptu 'yay butterfly' workout yesterday
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#7691365 - 05/13/14 04:38 PM
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the swim workout that broke me @ masters class in the Y last night
critical component #1: the asian college swimmer from Santa Clara showed up[no, not female, but a dude faster than me] critical component #2: bike commuted that day, and was tired critical component #3: decided to push it
200/200/200/200/200 warmup: free, kick, pull, IM, free. as always, warmed up too fast
main set: ladder 50/50, 100/100, 150/150, 200/200, 150/150, 100/100, 50/50 intervals on 1:30 100y pace, aimed for coming in around 1:10 pace
Right at somewhere between the first and second 150 I mentally checked out, couldnt hang, and had to start adding time. Settled around 1:40 and was coming in around 1:25 pace each time. I had hit the wall.
My form was all manners of shit by the 2nd 200 even at the reduced pace. I toughed it out. Felt like a bitch. Workout sucked. the end. The 56 year old in the slow lane [also does tris, hates swimming] was beating my ass something serious after I hit the wall. It wasnt helping that he was laughing about it 
I think this is what caused my insta-burnout
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#7691884 - 05/14/14 12:32 AM
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the swim workout that broke me @ masters class in the Y last night critical component #1: the asian college swimmer from Santa Clara showed up[no, not female, but a dude faster than me] critical component #2: bike commuted that day, and was tired critical component #3: decided to push it 200/200/200/200/200 warmup: free, kick, pull, IM, free. as always, warmed up too fast main set: ladder 50/50, 100/100, 150/150, 200/200, 150/150, 100/100, 50/50 intervals on 1:30 100y pace, aimed for coming in around 1:10 pace Right at somewhere between the first and second 150 I mentally checked out, couldnt hang, and had to start adding time. Settled around 1:40 and was coming in around 1:25 pace each time. I had hit the wall. My form was all manners of shit by the 2nd 200 even at the reduced pace. I toughed it out. Felt like a bitch. Workout sucked. the end. The 56 year old in the slow lane [also does tris, hates swimming] was beating my ass something serious after I hit the wall. It wasnt helping that he was laughing about it  I think this is what caused my insta-burnout First off your warmup would have been my whole workout lol. As far as the main set, like "50/50," is that first stroke then free? Seemed pretty brutal after that warm up, but then again I'm a novice. And 200's on the 1:30...insert fuck that picture here lol. I did shave a minute off my 1000, in at 19:07. Mostly due to better turns and focusing more on stroke reach, but still I'm happy. Thinking about doing maybe 1500 or 1800 on thursday, for time.
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#7735981 - 06/16/14 01:02 PM
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had a much better 'go' at a similar workout last week
was able to comfortably cruise the main set of 8x100 on 1:30 pace. Coach made it an ascending effort set but as always I faded near the end. 1:10 ish first couple 100s then was coming in toward 1:20 and didn't fade any further
:nailedit: the only real difference was I skipped the bike commute and had lunch. OK thats a pretty big difference
I signed up for a SCM swim meet [short course meters] and the events are all over the place but I just want to get some times for:
50m free [goal: sub 25] 100m free [goal: sub 58 lol] 100m IM [goal: sub 1:05 haha] 100m breast [goal: sub 1:20 comeatmebro] 20 yrs ago I'd [short course meters] hit the 50m in 23:xx and the 100 in 51:xx but that was a long ass time ago], so basically my 50 seems to be close but my 100 isnt on the same planet anymore. Also I wont be shaving lol [or tapering, but not sure tapering is a factor w/2x a week workouts heh]
to see where I'm at. If they had the 500 or 1500 after the sprints I'd do those too but they don't so I won't as the 1500 is similar to the olympic tri swim split more or less--I'd like to break 20 minutes there which is 100s on 1:20s pace [meters doe, so it's kinda moving, thats more like ~1:12 100y pace which is fast workout pace but you've got to do a super long set. I'd probably bonk on 1:10 pace] The faster people do around 17 minutes or so but there is a ton of work to do to get in that kind of shape /I've never really cared to do so
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#7785580 - 07/22/14 12:00 PM
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good workout last night post-alcatraz swim whole bunch of pure anaerobic 25 sprint free's where I was coming in around 13-4s, on the 1:00, with some drills in between.
then a surprise 6x100 on 1:30 set where we tried to maintain the same pace [lol], I ended up with some nice intervals tho, came in around 1:08, then like 1:12, 1:15, faded a bit and went like 1:20, 1:20, 1:22 and basically was done. I checked my heart rate like a minute after it was over and I was still @ 150
I wonder if I'll ever be able to get back to doing 100s on 1:20 --probably not swimming 2x a week heh.
so good workout for me. not burned out or anything, even tho I probably should be in 'recovery mode'
my backstroke is feeling a little better lately as I've been switching to it vs breastroke as my 'non-free' stroke. I was never any good at it [weakest leg of the IM for me] but I think it's because I never gave a shit.
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#7912940 - 10/14/14 02:08 PM
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old as fuck! /last off the blocks /nailed_it
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#7915026 - 10/15/14 02:54 PM
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#8065135 - 01/28/15 10:06 AM
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minor update: after reading a neat article on backstroke in that magazine that US masters swimming sends you I feel WAAAY better with my backstroke.
hard to describe but my upper body and lower body are more connected, and I can 'feel' the 'catch' and the power stroke on my backstroke similar to freestyle now.
just a few more tweaks in body positioning/kick alignment/shoulder rotation/flip turn shennanigans and I should be able to drop a second or 3 on my backstroke leg of an IM
who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? it's totally amazing. Now my stroke rate on backstroke is similar to freestyle. At least in workouts. Still NFC how to sprint backstroke but at least now I feel like I can 'power' down the lane in backstroke rather than just kinda flail around and oddly get to the other end...
http://www.usms.org/articles/articledisplay.php?aid=1932
Depth of Catch The hands should have a catch depth of 10–16 inches and, in a move similar to rowing, “square their blade” as soon as possible. This is the freestyle equivalent of the Early Vertical Forearm and is of primary importance in effecting backward facing palms and forearms. At entry, swimmers should rotate the hand so that palm faces out, allowing the little finger to enter the water first. The hands must create a leverage point to push against the water, while keeping submerged bubbles to a minimum prior to the pull phase. Following the catch, current trends in backstroke point towards a shallower palm path than in previous years. By maintaining the thumb vertically and the fingertips horizontally for longer durations within a cycle, swimmers maximize propulsive forces opposite their direction of travel.
An overall perspective from a side view gives the hand path the appearance of a shallow square root sign. It begins with a downward entry, followed by a quick upward change of direction, leading to a semi-shallow, straight backward direction. Once submerged, the pitch of the hand remains oriented backward throughout the path of the pull/push motion. Too many novice backstrokers pull with the thumb leading and the little finger trailing too early in the stroke. Care should be given to ensure a vertical palm throughout the propulsive phases of the motion. Throughout the pull and push phases, the elbow should point towards the bottom.
Correction point for elbow leading the pull: “Imagine pushing a stack of books.”
CN: I find backstroke kind of exciting now lol. Being less competitive in sprints and less single minded has opened my growth in other areas 
my backstroke isnt fast or anything dont get me wrong, it just feeeeeeels so much better with a solid catch. Rather than having my hands miss the catch actually driving and powering through the water with a freestyle-ish catch is amaaaze
CN^2: I blame my coaches my entire life
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#8067226 - 01/29/15 11:42 AM
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Just surprised how much you said "stroke" in that post. 
I have a lot to learn with swimming. But I love it when I have breakthroughs. Nice work man.
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#8067256 - 01/29/15 11:56 AM
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#8105745 - 02/24/15 03:04 PM
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update: Coach said I was "killing it" last night /wewt
in our IM set of 8x100 I was coming in around 1:20 /100y, which is fast for me and I was just nuking my fellow aged masters swimmers. My freestyle leg [last lap] was oddly powerful and I was able to smoke it pretty much through the whole thing [8x100 on 1:45, yea not a hard pace or anything but I was pretty anaerobic] Butterfly felt ok, backstroke good, breaststroke good, etc. Making subtle improvements everywhere.
also the freestyle set on 1:30 was oddly easy. Not too many months ago it was terrifying
I believe it has something to do with the fact that I moved my 'long run' from Sunday to Saturday so my monday night swim had an extra days rest. I normally roll into practice on mondays fully nuked and waiting to cramp on the first lap of the first kick set
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#8108601 - 02/26/15 12:34 PM
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aaaand that quickly back to under-whelming land
ran into a 'coach gave no fucks' workout
500-400-300-200-100--100-200-300-400-500 ladder
Basically swam for an hour straight with a 200/200/200 swim/kick/pull warmup
my dinner felt like it was coming up the entire time. I completely cruised and held like 1:35/100y pace and picked it up to around 1:20 on the 100s/yawn
I felt dizzy/nauseas after, wanted to puke for most of that first 500 [right after dinner].
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#8123927 - 03/10/15 12:30 AM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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Busted out a moderate 500y on 6:45 tonight which is a decent improvement from a much harder effort I did late last year and was slower (I think 7:20 heh) Of course the workout tonight was much easier so I was able to hit it pretty quick. Definitely had a ton left in the tank. Passed the chick in my lane (4) fuckin times in the 500 lol
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#8151511 - 03/30/15 02:23 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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#8282848 - 07/09/15 11:03 AM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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anybody else swimmin'?
had a weird workout today involving a deck of cards [suit = stroke] and the value = yardage in 50s/100s up to the card-puller
also did some 50s/100s of free on more rest than usual and was coming in around 1:08-- 1:12 per 100y free which is fast for me /wee
although I dont care about distance I wonder if I'll ever get down around 21:xx in a 1500m free heh [got one in 2 weeks in a pool], I really, really doubt it lol. Probably 23:xx is what I'll end up with. No experience pacing this distance other than the [2] oly tris I've done which doesnt really compare imo--those were just cruise affairs no attempt at threshold swimming
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#8289385 - 07/14/15 01:30 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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stickaz_old
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so while I am actually only interested in baselineing my 50/100 free in a week and a half I'm sorta curious how I do on the 1500m
I made my own pace-chart conversion to where I'll probably end up: [my 2 Oly tri efforts at this distance have both landed in 27:xx range which I'm simultaneously annoyed with but also ok with as I dont want to venture into a 'too quick for me' pace that tires me out for the rest of it]. Yet the pacing is well below my pool workout pace [normally I baseline around 1:18-1:22 100y for any workout], yea the tri has a sand exit and a short jog and all so I dunno I guess, also sighting and non-ideal routes and bumping into people slow you down but you've got nobody to blame but yourself if slower people are in front of you more or less..
1:35 100y = 1:45.45 100m = 26:22 1500m 1:30 100y = 1:39.9 100m = 25:00 1500m 1:25 100y = 1:34.35 100m = 23:35 1500m 1:20 100y = 1:28.8 100m = 22:12 1500m
NQT 1650y pace = 1:14.56/100y
my pacing suggests a 22:xx would be a typical workout level effort. I do 100s on 1:30 leave [coming in around 1:20] for daaays, so anything slower than 25:00 represents some kind of pacing fuckup. Although 23:xx might be more realistic as there's some rest in there and I usually top out around 10 100s [not 16.4 like in a 1500m] and get a nice chunk of rest after.
Eg last time I swam a 1000y in a pool I went out on 1:09, came back on 1:11 and I was basically cooked lol. Ended up at 13:xx or right around a 1:22/100y pace and there were more than a couple 100s right around 1:30 on my splits lol.
I'm going to see if they'll let me wear my ambit watch which has a 'swim mode' which tells me my last 100y interval if I extend my streamline just a hair and stare at my watch it should give me my split [need to practice this more] so that I can tweak my pace a little. If I just go 1:20 on the button for the first 12 or so that should allow me to negative split a bit on the last 2-3 I hope**
of course any pacing/aids/related are strictly illegal lol. Assuming ref yells at me to take my watch off so I just need to work on the 'feel' of 1:20 pace which I totally have in a workout environment but whenever I step on the blocks in a race I lose it almost completely.
Also been working on turnover/rate/efficiency/working less hard to go fast in a distance event. Not sure I'm making any progress but I'm shortening up my stroke a little, more strokes per length as I tend to overglide a little I think. In a sprint/100% it works for me tho, but I think my arm action is too slow for a distance thing---too much effort/force, too tiring and I end up not going as fast as I could.
I suspect this would be a fun topic to work on over time---efficiency. Which when I brought it up to my coach last night she goes '...and what exactly have you been working on this whole time??' lol. I work on the sprints, the intervals, and working hard hah. Masters swim so far to me has been the OPPOSITE of working on efficiency. I always end up doing the Yeomans job of working hard the entire time and keeping my HR up into zone 4/typical sprint stuff.
I'm sure I wont have it dialed by next week but I'm going to start working on a 'distance specific' stroke and to dial up efficiency, learn the right tempo/analytic metric to figure out where I seem to operate best to bring these 1500m times down to around 22:xx or so without working too hard. I guess what I'm starting to realize is the 1500m is maybe only ~50% conditioning, it's easy 50% efficiency/form as well. My technique needs altering to get faster in this kind of distance.
*NOVEL* **WORDS** tl;dr
http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1&itemid=5040&mid=8712
*thread on tempo/swimming
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#8303511 - 07/24/15 03:55 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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1500m results: 24:09 on a 25:00 seed heh
kinda weak, but I was being somewhere between over-and-ultra cautious
also [not a surprise to me] my brain went into taylor-swift land and when the gun/bell rang for the last 50 I would have bet $20 I had another 250m to go. Anyways I knew [?? knew??] I was on the lead 50 so I looked up on what I thought was the finish for the 1300m heh and the timers were standing over me and catching my finish so I guess I was done. Heh.
Oh well I'll call it a workout. I still figure theres a 22:xx hiding in there if I just pace it right, I think I'm more than fit enough.
I was focusing on efficiency and low effort and apparently I nailed it. Wasnt even breathing hard at the end or any of that.
works out to a 1:26/100y pace. I got 2nd in my mid-packer heat probably because I sandbagged my seed slightly more than everybody else.
I'd like to see a 1:20/100y pace in this distance or slightly better the next time I do it in a couple months which would be right around a 22:30
Anyways 200 free is tomorrow morning and I have a ridiculous seed for my current fitness [200m free in 2:14 is super wishful thinking lol], and a 100m breast, and a 50m free. Hopefully I'm not super embarassed by any of these heh.
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#8305923 - 07/27/15 12:29 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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#8306711 - 07/27/15 08:45 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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Got 2nd in my age group in the 50m free and a 3rd in the 100m breast and a scratch in the 200m free since I didn't make the 8:10a deck sign-in /oops
I doubt euphoric is jealous of my 1:28.xx 100m breast But try it w/2_masters swims/week and virtually no breastroke heh Pure memory
I had the entire field at the turn but hella faded
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#8326701 - 08/12/15 12:52 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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#8326748 - 08/12/15 01:19 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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stickaz_old
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Steve West’s splits 100 breast: 30.34, 33.47
200 breast 31.75, 34.99, 35.42, 36.41
hella legit
I'm still stoked with my 1:28.xx lol I went 41:xx, 47:xx
his 100m breastroke splits are the same as my 100m free right now
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#8328028 - 08/13/15 03:18 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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#8340756 - 08/25/15 08:16 PM
Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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I was aiming east [to the right here] basically to the center of that breakwater for the first half, then I aimed for the center of the aquatic park entrance past that halfway point... and as you can see I nearly blew it as I was basically under the pier on the far west side of the entrance [next stop chrissy fields and/or GG bridge...]
but as I was getting closer to the entrance I realized the swim exit was towards the west anyways so I just swam straight through... seemed to work ok
felt like I had a solid wave/wind/current push in the second half of the channel also
like stroke...stroke...ride the back of a windwave/feel the shove forward.... breathe...stroke...stroke...surf the back of the next one...repeat
in other words, unless this is a GPS sampling/error problem and basically it really only had a couple of points to draw a straight line between, I actually did a near-perfect job of sighting/vectoring with/cross current to end up virtually going straight. I certainly was trying to aim east and then shift west as I got close to the harbor entrance [which is how they say to do it] eg I was aiming at the palace of fine arts once I got halfway [which is waaay west and probably why I almost went under the pier]
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