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#7641199 - 04/10/14 12:06 AM Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe?
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1-hr maintenance workout

100yd warmup
200yd warmup
6x50 on :50
6x75 on 1:15
6x100 on 1:40
Kick drill (100)
Breathing drill (200)
4x100 IM on 2 mins
200 free warmdown
100 warmdown

Basic get wet move around chill in one of the slower lanes comeatmebro workout \:\)
Right around 2400 meters

I'm guessing this thread won't be very popular ;\)
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#7641206 - 04/10/14 12:21 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I always just got in and swam. Worked fine, but then I started doing 500's with like a minute rest and actually got a little faster. Haven't been in the pool since last August. \:\( My kids are on a team at our new fancy above ground pool though.
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#7641207 - 04/10/14 12:23 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Yeah I was looking at some tri workouts they go like this

Warmup
Swim 1000
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Get out
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#7641632 - 04/10/14 11:00 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I think just getting in and doing the motions is all that's needed. At least while training short to moderate distances, for us newbies.
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#7641710 - 04/10/14 11:31 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Design]
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I tried some swimming last year. I couldn't get the timing right with my breathing. I swear water kept rushing into my noise unless I was constantly exhaling. I can swim with head above water without much issue, but obviously it's not efficient and my neck gets sore.
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#7641752 - 04/10/14 11:59 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Impulsive]
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Mine usually consists of 5-15 bud lights or twisted teas. followed by 30mph whips outside the wake on a tube/wakeboard and then recovery swim from however far away i end up.

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#7641758 - 04/10/14 12:04 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Design]
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 Originally Posted By: Design
I think just getting in and doing the motions is all that's needed. At least while training short to moderate distances, for us newbies.


I suppose but I feel obligated to put in a good effort on the swim because I ain't passing anybody on the bike [alright.... MAYBE somebody will flat lol] and sure as shit won't be passing anyone on the run

My only chance to get up somewhere decent in the rankings is on the swim leg for sure. So I feel like I have to at least train to my strengths. In other words---the opposite of what everybody recommends. If I listened to them I'd just drop everything and work on running.
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#7641770 - 04/10/14 12:10 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I should probably let Chris weigh in since he's actually done one. But I'm told the swim is so short that unless you're a snail it won't make much difference. Seems the transition areas and the run are the biggest opportunities.
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#7641837 - 04/10/14 12:45 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Design]
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this is true, and why I can secretly do like a ~90% effort [while everybody else is just cruising] there and probably come in top 10 lol and then have the entire field pass me on the bike. I'm good with that. Elbows will be thrown on the first buoy My first one [since college] is in 10 days. I am going to redline that swim lol. I'm sure it's a much better race strategy to simply find someone on your pace and stick on his feet and cruise like everybody else.
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#7642113 - 04/10/14 02:17 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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The fact that 99% of triathletes get into the sport with very little, if no structured swim background, that leg basically just becomes a matter of survival. Add in the fact that once they do take lessons, it can take years for them to get proficient enough to be at all competitive in the swim. Meanwhile they can run and bike every day with no real technical know-how and see their times come down by 10's of minutes.

Here's an example. At Ironman Arizona 2 years ago, I swam my fastest IM swim ever with a 1:06 which put me in the top 10% of the entire field. My buddy Joe is not a swimmer (but trains 4 days a week) and came out of the water in 1:40. We're similar on the bike so he put no time in me there, but finally caught me on the run at mile 17 and ended up beating me by almost an hour.
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#7642198 - 04/10/14 03:08 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Holy crap.
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#7642225 - 04/10/14 03:17 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Impulsive]
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Im not sure id say 99%.
All the good tri guys I know spent some time in a proper swim program. And I dont mean a few weeks.
Though i guess that number could be up there for weekend warrior/masters types.

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
. I swear water kept rushing into my noise unless I was constantly exhaling.
you should be exhaling between breaths....
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#7642249 - 04/10/14 03:26 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Key word constantly.

The minute I didn't need to exhale, I'd snort in some water even if breathing was neutral.
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#7642375 - 04/10/14 04:52 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Impulsive]
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#7642388 - 04/10/14 05:12 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
Im not sure id say 99%.
All the good tri guys I know spent some time in a proper swim program. And I dont mean a few weeks.
Though i guess that number could be up there for weekend warrior/masters types.

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
. I swear water kept rushing into my noise unless I was constantly exhaling.
you should be exhaling between breaths....


Yeah, I'm talking about people just getting into the sport at a later age...which makes up a very very large portion of any given Tri. You can look at results from any race and see that the number of competitors in the 35-39 or older age groups are usually twice as big as the 25 and under. I think that's mostly because those would be college aged kids and they will be focused on one sport.

My point is that anybody can go out and run or ride a bike. Proper freestyle form doesn't seem to come naturally to most people...and the older you are, the harder it comes. Open water mass starts also cause the most anxiety for newbies, so that's another hurdle that's isn't easy to overcome.

I've yet to meet a decently fast swimmer at a Tri that didn't have some kind of youth organized swim experience.
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#7642389 - 04/10/14 05:14 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: It's Art]
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Body composition



Actually....more body fat is helpful to swimming efficiently and quickly. What dat float do? \:D

I'm pretty sure my swim times slowed down as I lost most of my excess body fat....on the same amount of training. I had to up my time in the pool to get that speed back.
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#7642439 - 04/10/14 06:19 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I wonder if art could go sub 50 seconds in a 50, guessing no
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#7642514 - 04/10/14 07:14 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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 Originally Posted By: stickaz
I wonder if art could go sub 50 seconds in a 50, guessing no
anything you can do I can do better

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#7643028 - 04/11/14 07:04 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
Body composition



Actually....more body fat is helpful to swimming efficiently and quickly. What dat float do? \:D

I'm pretty sure my swim times slowed down as I lost most of my excess body fat....on the same amount of training. I had to up my time in the pool to get that speed back.

anyone who is fast is generally carrying minimal fat. :p


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#7643100 - 04/11/14 08:24 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Nah bro, all Olympic swimmers are chubby
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#7643237 - 04/11/14 09:29 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: It's Art]
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Again...not talking about elite swimmers here guys. The topic at hand is about average joe schmo's getting into triathlon as adults. I'm talking about newbies who are still learning proper technique. I've seen it first hand. People that are more buoyant have an easier time with body positioning. Like I said, that doesn't make you fast, but it does help tremendously. Eventually you have to use physical strength and endurance to get faster.
Edit: you'll also see it at many masters swim groups. I used to swim alongside one and would regularily see guys with bellies way bigger than mine who would pass me like I was standing still. I'm willing to bet it was their years swimming competitively as kids in HS and college that developed that speed...not necessarily their current body composition. ;\) Look at Stickaz for example. (No offense to him at all.)

Also, take a look at a lot of the top distance open water swimmers.




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#7643538 - 04/11/14 11:44 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I dunno I think we're confusing an un-related property for some type of benefit. I've competed in swimming anywhere from like 8% BF (college/NCAA) to whatever I was a couple years ago (20s heh) and the only difference is slowing down, the 'do u even lift bro' guys that complain about swimming all have similar stroke deficits but were chasing the symptom for the cause. They always fail to glide or at least not have each additional stroke function as some kind of brake whe it enters the water, don't properly capture the water, rotate, and raise the hips properly. I always see some peculiar body angle with dropped hips. But it all starts with failure to basically 'catch' the water properly. Normally they are pushing down or something weird at the beginning of the stroke--easy to see underwater. I have no idea how to help them fix it. If they want to believe its their magic lean muscle mass that means they can't use proper form, who am I to argue. I see a lot of strange attitudes such as (bro? Do u know how much I can lift?) rather than trying to work on technique like everyone else does regardless of how advanced they might already be.

Some people get fat. Some swimmers get fat. That doesn't mean that because some swimmers get fat that being fat makes you fast(ER) just because it surprises people that in any other sport it REALLY slows you down, just not so much in swimming.
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#7643689 - 04/11/14 12:56 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I agree...my original comment was just to contradict Arts statement that body composition had everything to do with it.

The guy Im running with in this picture came to triathlon from a weightlifting background. He's the one I mentioned above about beating in the swim portion. All indications (both visual and performance wise) would indicate he should be faster than me. His technique isn't horrible, but he gets really tired during the swim portion of an IM tri. He acknowledges his lack of skills, but is one of those guys that say he sinks like a rock. We followed very similar pool training plans for the 2 IM's we've done together.

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#7643711 - 04/11/14 01:04 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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And this is my kids coach. He swam at Stanford and has the 5th fastest solo Catalina crossing time (just set a few years ago). He's obviously not 10% BF. \:\)



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#7643839 - 04/11/14 02:00 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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You realize I just said "body composition" to be a dick because stickaz is fat, right?
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#7643844 - 04/11/14 02:02 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: It's Art]
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You realize I just said "body composition" to be a dick because stickaz is fat, right?


Nope.
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#7643877 - 04/11/14 02:12 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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you are preaching to the choir in some respects. No one here is suggesting people with extra weight cant swim.


people with extra fat can do all kinds of sports quite well... thats not the point. Most power lifters and strong men are fat(theres a legit advantage in a lot of cases to be that way for those events)

I was just pointing out that... although fat may help you float to some degree its generally meaningless at making you faster.
An open water/distance guy may benefit from slightly higher bf percentage, due to colder water and possibly digging into more energy stores(depending on distance)...but for most people the lighter you are for your given strength/size the faster you are.

Most masters types suffer from typical aging,bad lifestyle choices that took years to accumulate. They may have a swim background so the technique and mechanics go well beyond those extra pounds they have acquired. So they rock it in the water against skinnier people. its not because fat is advantageous to them. its because they know how to swim. lol


Get those masters guys eating well, and spending the same amount years undoing what they did to themselves and they will all have considerably less bf and will only continue to get faster.

*edit those massive pictures mang. :p
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#7660009 - 04/22/14 02:50 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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 Originally Posted By: stickaz
Yeah I was looking at some tri workouts they go like this

Warmup
Swim 1000
Warmdown
Get out


This was my workout today, lol. I finally got access to a lap pool again, so I am hoping to get in 2-3x a week. I will post my progress to keep the thread alive. Today, I did 1000m in 20 minutes. Pretty decent for just getting back into the pool after 4 months off. The garmin 310XT didn't work in the pool as well as I had hoped. However, I bike to the pool and back home, so the multi sport mode works out really well.

Lap swimming according to the GPS. It recorded 1200m as 1.5mi.

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#7660067 - 04/22/14 03:20 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Corytrade]
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awesome lol, I was considering doing that [GPS watch in the pool] some seem to use a pre-determined pool-lap size and detect a flip-turn or something/rapid acceleration and simply counting laps. Pretty darn accurate they say. Perhaps if you blow a flip-turn and barely touch it won't count the lap tho [dont do that then, duh]

thats totally a solid pace [2:00 100m], good job!

I'm working on my technique and particularly the freestyle kick at this point including underwater streamline/butterfly kick from the walls.Trying to improve my age-group 50 and 100m sprint speed \:\)
theres a new guy in my masters class thats a faster sprinter than me [in workouts, not sure about block start but probably] and it is annoying me greatly


I like the feeling of speed/sprint work mainly

I try to get in (2) masters swim classes/week and at least 1 if not 2 days surfing in/week. Not sure how much those last 2 contribute to anything though lol
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#7660594 - 04/22/14 10:22 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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My 910xt works great in the pool. Open water is a little iffy, but is not too shabby. Here's my swim from IM Tahoe:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/387351722
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#7660596 - 04/22/14 10:24 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Corytrade]
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 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
The garmin 310XT didn't work in the pool as well as I had hoped. However, I bike to the pool and back home, so the multi sport mode works out really well.


How were you wearing the 310XT, on your wrist? Some people have reported drastically improved accuracy if you place it under your swim cap (assuming you're wearing one during training) than on your wrist.

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#7661117 - 04/23/14 10:24 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: SJP0tato]
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awesome lol, I was considering doing that [GPS watch in the pool] some seem to use a pre-determined pool-lap size and detect a flip-turn or something/rapid acceleration and simply counting laps. Pretty darn accurate they say. Perhaps if you blow a flip-turn and barely touch it won't count the lap tho [dont do that then, duh]

thats totally a solid pace [2:00 100m], good job!

I'm working on my technique and particularly the freestyle kick at this point including underwater streamline/butterfly kick from the walls.Trying to improve my age-group 50 and 100m sprint speed \:\)
theres a new guy in my masters class thats a faster sprinter than me [in workouts, not sure about block start but probably] and it is annoying me greatly


I like the feeling of speed/sprint work mainly

I try to get in (2) masters swim classes/week and at least 1 if not 2 days surfing in/week. Not sure how much those last 2 contribute to anything though lol


Thanks, I actually am not too skilled in kick turns yet, so I wasn't doing them during this swim. They actually have a Master swim program where I am at. They post the workout board, and anyone can do them, but they are always equate to something like 3500m , I'm just not there yet. And if I could substitute swimming for surfing, I would as well, even with no benefit lol.


 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
How were you wearing the 310XT, on your wrist? Some people have reported drastically improved accuracy if you place it under your swim cap (assuming you're wearing one during training) than on your wrist.


Yeah, I had it on my wrist. Don't have a swim cap, but I may need one just for the GPS.

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#7661276 - 04/23/14 11:23 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Corytrade]
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yikes, 3500m is a bit rough. yea you'll have to work up to that ;\)
I do a ~2000m/1-hr 2x weekly thing lol [sprint focused]

to hang with most masters classes imo you need a couple of things:
a) baseline fitness. Something like being able to do a 10x100 set on 1:45 or something (meters). This is a hard set, ~90% effort. It's what every workout leads up to--the main set. If you can hang here you can hang everywhere
b) efficiency---streamline, flip-turns. Take advantage of all the free yardage!
c) kicking--see if you can improve your straight freestyle drill kick speed [yea, w/board]. should be able to do 50s on :50 or 1:00 [if not better--I am weak here]
d) have a legit 2nd stroke [fly/back/breast], have no huge weakness in any stroke. If there's a 8x100 IM set in there you should be able to hang

if a-d you're a life-long masters swimmer anywhere, imo

c and d are probably optionally or stick to a slower lane. if not [b] you're going to have a hard time

but there is no comparison between working out alone and in a group... none [if you want to be fast!]. I can't push myself at ALL alone. Perhaps this is why my biking has gone nowhere lol
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#7670382 - 04/29/14 12:00 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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stumbled into a completely bullshit 'butterfly day' in my masters class last night.

I don't even... \:\|
2500 of mixed butterfly/drills/kicks \:\| \:\|
at least nothing was longer than 100... my stroke really breaks down after 2 laps. My theory is if your stroke/efficiency breaks down, you really need to stop. My college-aged coach disagrees. Yawn

I took it as an opportunity to work on my underwater butterfly kick
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#7670487 - 04/29/14 12:43 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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#7670530 - 04/29/14 01:02 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: 137]
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looks like her stroke is a little choppy doe? /didnt stay at a holiday inn recently.
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stickaz, she does swimming as a deload to her weight training. I'm sure things looked a lot better when she wasn't strength training, she's a little leaner and heavier now, around 125-133ish at 5'4". I'm sure it's not as easy to swim with the added lean mass, but I don't know shit about swimming, I just saw a page of soft people and a bunch of arguing.

I'll go back to my corner now.
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#7670634 - 04/29/14 01:44 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: 137]
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I'm just hating, its better form than 95% of people that try [making that # up on the spot]. perhaps its the camera angle, looks a little choppy is all.

chicks tend to swim it more hip driven so possibly that is also my general ignorance speaking. Butterfly is something I simply try to survive. I have a huge butterfly kick problem past about lap 2 lol. On my personal 'depth chart' butterfly is a dead last. I barely broke a minute the rare time or two I was forced to compete it in college --which is pathetic to be perfectly frank [100 yards PR of like 58:xx]

tbh I don't see the point of swimming butterfly, hence my annoyance running into an impromptu 'yay butterfly' workout yesterday
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#7691365 - 05/13/14 04:38 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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the swim workout that broke me @ masters class in the Y last night

critical component #1: the asian college swimmer from Santa Clara showed up[no, not female, but a dude faster than me]
critical component #2: bike commuted that day, and was tired
critical component #3: decided to push it

200/200/200/200/200 warmup: free, kick, pull, IM, free. as always, warmed up too fast

main set: ladder
50/50, 100/100, 150/150, 200/200, 150/150, 100/100, 50/50
intervals on 1:30 100y pace, aimed for coming in around 1:10 pace

Right at somewhere between the first and second 150 I mentally checked out, couldnt hang, and had to start adding time. Settled around 1:40 and was coming in around 1:25 pace each time. I had hit the wall.

My form was all manners of shit by the 2nd 200 even at the reduced pace. I toughed it out. Felt like a bitch. Workout sucked. the end. The 56 year old in the slow lane [also does tris, hates swimming] was beating my ass something serious after I hit the wall. It wasnt helping that he was laughing about it \:\|

I think this is what caused my insta-burnout
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#7691436 - 05/13/14 05:28 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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http://instagram.com/p/nwkO0-hUPB/ 3000 yards... i wonder if her phone was filming the whole workout lol.
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#7691441 - 05/13/14 05:34 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: 137]
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3k yards is normal--it's really about the pacing ;\)
and 3k yards of butterfly? no thanks \:\|
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#7691884 - 05/14/14 12:32 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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the swim workout that broke me @ masters class in the Y last night

critical component #1: the asian college swimmer from Santa Clara showed up[no, not female, but a dude faster than me]
critical component #2: bike commuted that day, and was tired
critical component #3: decided to push it

200/200/200/200/200 warmup: free, kick, pull, IM, free. as always, warmed up too fast

main set: ladder
50/50, 100/100, 150/150, 200/200, 150/150, 100/100, 50/50
intervals on 1:30 100y pace, aimed for coming in around 1:10 pace

Right at somewhere between the first and second 150 I mentally checked out, couldnt hang, and had to start adding time. Settled around 1:40 and was coming in around 1:25 pace each time. I had hit the wall.

My form was all manners of shit by the 2nd 200 even at the reduced pace. I toughed it out. Felt like a bitch. Workout sucked. the end. The 56 year old in the slow lane [also does tris, hates swimming] was beating my ass something serious after I hit the wall. It wasnt helping that he was laughing about it \:\|

I think this is what caused my insta-burnout
First off your warmup would have been my whole workout lol. As far as the main set, like "50/50," is that first stroke then free? Seemed pretty brutal after that warm up, but then again I'm a novice. And 200's on the 1:30...insert fuck that picture here lol. I did shave a minute off my 1000, in at 19:07. Mostly due to better turns and focusing more on stroke reach, but still I'm happy. Thinking about doing maybe 1500 or 1800 on thursday, for time.

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#7692160 - 05/14/14 09:52 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Corytrade]
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1:30 is the global interval to 'leave' on per 100, so say come in around 1:10, rest 20 seconds, so 200s on 3:00, etc. the 50s are on :45...

Also I think it was skipping lunch then not eating dinner sufficiently before the workout to be anything other than a completely empty back of crap. User error most likely \:\|

Uff on 1000s for time heh. I lose my mind lol. Consider 200s at the same pace or slightly faster with 10-20s rest? Whatever you can tolerate, eg 5x200 on a 4:00, aim for 10s or more of rest per
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#7735981 - 06/16/14 01:02 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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had a much better 'go' at a similar workout last week

was able to comfortably cruise the main set of 8x100 on 1:30 pace. Coach made it an ascending effort set but as always I faded near the end. 1:10 ish first couple 100s then was coming in toward 1:20 and didn't fade any further

:nailedit:
the only real difference was I skipped the bike commute and had lunch. OK thats a pretty big difference

I signed up for a SCM swim meet [short course meters] and the events are all over the place but I just want to get some times for:

50m free [goal: sub 25]
100m free [goal: sub 58 lol]
100m IM [goal: sub 1:05 haha]
100m breast [goal: sub 1:20 comeatmebro]
20 yrs ago I'd [short course meters] hit the 50m in 23:xx and the 100 in 51:xx but that was a long ass time ago], so basically my 50 seems to be close but my 100 isnt on the same planet anymore. Also I wont be shaving lol [or tapering, but not sure tapering is a factor w/2x a week workouts heh]

to see where I'm at. If they had the 500 or 1500 after the sprints I'd do those too but they don't so I won't as the 1500 is similar to the olympic tri swim split more or less--I'd like to break 20 minutes there which is 100s on 1:20s pace [meters doe, so it's kinda moving, thats more like ~1:12 100y pace which is fast workout pace but you've got to do a super long set. I'd probably bonk on 1:10 pace] The faster people do around 17 minutes or so but there is a ton of work to do to get in that kind of shape /I've never really cared to do so
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#7785580 - 07/22/14 12:00 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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good workout last night post-alcatraz swim
whole bunch of pure anaerobic 25 sprint free's where I was coming in around 13-4s, on the 1:00, with some drills in between.

then a surprise 6x100 on 1:30 set where we tried to maintain the same pace [lol], I ended up with some nice intervals tho, came in around 1:08, then like 1:12, 1:15, faded a bit and went like 1:20, 1:20, 1:22 and basically was done. I checked my heart rate like a minute after it was over and I was still @ 150

I wonder if I'll ever be able to get back to doing 100s on 1:20 --probably not swimming 2x a week heh.

so good workout for me. not burned out or anything, even tho I probably should be in 'recovery mode'

my backstroke is feeling a little better lately as I've been switching to it vs breastroke as my 'non-free' stroke. I was never any good at it [weakest leg of the IM for me] but I think it's because I never gave a shit.
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#7788529 - 07/23/14 11:50 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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100-200-300-400-500-400-300-200-100 ladder tonight
[2500 yds]
held 1:20 interval the 100/200, then down to 1:30, heh and like 1:40 for the 500 lol fail. then back down to 1:30 for the rest.

*one of these days I'll be able to hold 1:30 all practice long
**not at 2-a-week pratices, doe

***I remember back in the day this type of workout meant I was being punished for something
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#7912574 - 10/14/14 11:21 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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OMG not an uber distance/slow event


pacific masters short course meters championship, 50m free, top qualifier /woot

trying to sneak myself into a nationals qualifying time. Not quite. Next time I hope! Sprinting is a nice change from all that long/slow burn stuff [only thing I'm good at, tbh]

*center lane, with no cap and the sick black/white jammers
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#7912893 - 10/14/14 01:49 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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ballller. what age group category?

been a couple yrs since ive done some racing. *fuck where did the time go
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#7912940 - 10/14/14 02:08 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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old as fuck! /last off the blocks /nailed_it
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#7915026 - 10/15/14 02:54 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I thnk you could take out lane 1 there.



http://swimswam.com/10-things-non-swimmers-will-never-understand-swimming/
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#8052696 - 01/20/15 11:07 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Back in the pool after a strange 4-week downtime consisting of only 2 surf sessions, international vacation, jet lag and a pretty nasty cold.

Returned to find myself substantially slower lol cry. Faded on the RPT 25 sets (race pace), faded on the 6x100 sprints, sucked it on the 200 time trial, and my stroke felt totally off lol (around 15 seconds slower than my last 200 time trial)

I'm still suffering a little from a cold so hopefully that's part of it. Oh well lol that's how swimming goes man

On the other hand I got the courage up to weigh myself at the gym for the first time post holiday fat-session. 195.5# speedo weight pre-workout (194# after w/water loss).

So I'm only up like 2# net with my binging! hopefully I can drop these 2# in under a month or so
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#8065135 - 01/28/15 10:06 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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minor update:
after reading a neat article on backstroke in that magazine that US masters swimming sends you I feel WAAAY better with my backstroke.

hard to describe but my upper body and lower body are more connected, and I can 'feel' the 'catch' and the power stroke on my backstroke similar to freestyle now.

just a few more tweaks in body positioning/kick alignment/shoulder rotation/flip turn shennanigans and I should be able to drop a second or 3 on my backstroke leg of an IM

who says old dogs can't learn new tricks? it's totally amazing. Now my stroke rate on backstroke is similar to freestyle. At least in workouts. Still NFC how to sprint backstroke but at least now I feel like I can 'power' down the lane in backstroke rather than just kinda flail around and oddly get to the other end...

http://www.usms.org/articles/articledisplay.php?aid=1932

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Depth of Catch
The hands should have a catch depth of 10–16 inches and, in a move similar to rowing, “square their blade” as soon as possible. This is the freestyle equivalent of the Early Vertical Forearm and is of primary importance in effecting backward facing palms and forearms. At entry, swimmers should rotate the hand so that palm faces out, allowing the little finger to enter the water first. The hands must create a leverage point to push against the water, while keeping submerged bubbles to a minimum prior to the pull phase. Following the catch, current trends in backstroke point towards a shallower palm path than in previous years. By maintaining the thumb vertically and the fingertips horizontally for longer durations within a cycle, swimmers maximize propulsive forces opposite their direction of travel.

An overall perspective from a side view gives the hand path the appearance of a shallow square root sign. It begins with a downward entry, followed by a quick upward change of direction, leading to a semi-shallow, straight backward direction. Once submerged, the pitch of the hand remains oriented backward throughout the path of the pull/push motion. Too many novice backstrokers pull with the thumb leading and the little finger trailing too early in the stroke. Care should be given to ensure a vertical palm throughout the propulsive phases of the motion. Throughout the pull and push phases, the elbow should point towards the bottom.

Correction point for elbow leading the pull: “Imagine pushing a stack of books.”


CN: I find backstroke kind of exciting now lol. Being less competitive in sprints and less single minded has opened my growth in other areas \:D

my backstroke isnt fast or anything dont get me wrong, it just feeeeeeels so much better with a solid catch. Rather than having my hands miss the catch actually driving and powering through the water with a freestyle-ish catch is amaaaze

CN^2: I blame my coaches my entire life
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#8067226 - 01/29/15 11:42 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Just surprised how much you said "stroke" in that post.

I have a lot to learn with swimming. But I love it when I have breakthroughs. Nice work man.
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#8067256 - 01/29/15 11:56 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Design]
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Ran into a IM [individual medley] workout last night and un-surprisingly my backstroke leg(s) kinda regressed to what they were before [swimming tired/exhausted form tends to fail]
but I tried to focus on hip elevation, kick, rotation, and 'feeling the stroke power' better and I was doing a little better.

didn't even want to 'drag the lane line' and cheat for half the lap(s) \:D

pre-workout weigh in: 193.5# \:o
holiday binging appears corrected. Post workout was 191#
who says masters workouts arent a bitch? \:D



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#8105745 - 02/24/15 03:04 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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update:
Coach said I was "killing it" last night /wewt

in our IM set of 8x100 I was coming in around 1:20 /100y, which is fast for me and I was just nuking my fellow aged masters swimmers. My freestyle leg [last lap] was oddly powerful and I was able to smoke it pretty much through the whole thing [8x100 on 1:45, yea not a hard pace or anything but I was pretty anaerobic]
Butterfly felt ok, backstroke good, breaststroke good, etc. Making subtle improvements everywhere.

also the freestyle set on 1:30 was oddly easy. Not too many months ago it was terrifying

I believe it has something to do with the fact that I moved my 'long run' from Sunday to Saturday so my monday night swim had an extra days rest. I normally roll into practice on mondays fully nuked and waiting to cramp on the first lap of the first kick set
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#8108601 - 02/26/15 12:34 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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aaaand that quickly back to under-whelming land

ran into a 'coach gave no fucks' workout

500-400-300-200-100--100-200-300-400-500 ladder

Basically swam for an hour straight with a 200/200/200 swim/kick/pull warmup

my dinner felt like it was coming up the entire time.
I completely cruised and held like 1:35/100y pace and picked it up to around 1:20 on the 100s/yawn

I felt dizzy/nauseas after, wanted to puke for most of that first 500 [right after dinner].
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#8109428 - 02/26/15 08:13 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Here was my swim workout for today

warmup
500 Zn1

main set
8 x 25 ALL OUT band on :30 rest
8 x 50 ALL OUT pull on 1:00 rest
8 x 100 ALL OUT pull with paddles on 1:30 rest

cooldown
500 done as (200 ZnR swim + 50 ZnR kick)
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#8110673 - 02/27/15 01:29 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: lessthanmike]
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wooo, whats the ZnR stuff?

also are you seriously sprinting w/paddles \:o /wow [my coaches always told me to never do that/risk shoulder injury]

the theory I was told with paddle-usage [I know things change...] is that it is JUST to work on your 'feel' for the stroke/catch/pull and to improve efficiency. This is NOT similar to some kind of 'running around with a weight belt' or otherwise increasing resistance like a weighted exercise.

whats your thinking on that/thanks for sharing

I DO love the 'USRPT' [race-pace-training] that it looks like you're doing [8x25, 8x50, lots of rest, etc]. *brofist*, sprint days are always my favorite days. \:D
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#8110734 - 02/27/15 02:05 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I usually don't have all out's with paddles....they are pretty brutal. And my shoulders are tired when I'm done. It ends up being best effort instead of all out.

The ZnR is what pace I'm supposed to be in...since my coach uses heart rate for running and biking...we use zones for swimming

ZnR: TT pace + 15sec per 100yd
Zn1: TT pace + 10sec per 100yd
Zn2: TT pace + 5sec per 100yd
Zn3: TT pace + 0sec per 100yd
Best Sustainable Effort (BSE): Best average you can hold for entire set
ALL OUT: Hardest you can go for each interval

And the bands are horrible..LOL
I use an old bike intertube and basicly strap my feet together, so there's no kicking pretty much really fast arm turn over to keep yourself up.

Here's what he sent me today

warmup
800 Zn1 swim
main set
2 x (10 x 25 with BSE BAND on :10 rest)
10 x 100 Zn2 swim on :10 rest
cooldown
100 easy pull
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#8118129 - 03/05/15 12:23 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: lessthanmike]
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Did a 6x100 IM set and came in under 1:30 :D, first set 1:20

Butterfly and backstroke improvements. Underwater backstroke (underwater butterfly kick) I'm doing much better thanks to a drill workout earlier in the week.

Much fun \:D

Can't wait to race the 100 IM in a meet this summer. For not ever being very good in the IM I sure seem to enjoy it these days. Any time coach asks for suggestions for a workout I'm always 'IM' day now .
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#8123927 - 03/10/15 12:30 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Busted out a moderate 500y on 6:45 tonight which is a decent improvement from a much harder effort I did late last year and was slower (I think 7:20 heh)
Of course the workout tonight was much easier so I was able to hit it pretty quick. Definitely had a ton left in the tank. Passed the chick in my lane (4) fuckin times in the 500 lol
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#8151511 - 03/30/15 02:23 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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entered another masters swim meet [yards this time]

april 12
moraga regional championship [~40 miles away/east bay]

*100 free [57.xx goal, 1 second over NQT]
*100 IM [1:04.xx goal, 2 seconds over NQT]
*50 Free [25:xx goal, ~ at NQT]
*100 breast [1:18 goal, 6 seconds over NQT]
*1500 free [22:4x, ~2.5 minutes over NQT] ~1:16 pace

can't wait \:D

not shaving/tapering so goal times are not going to be impressive \:D [also tapering doesnt apply at 2 workouts/week anyways hah]

so excite \:D

[NQT = nationals qualifying time]
later in the year I will dispense with my abominal snowman look which normally cuts about a sec/50 off my time(s) \:o
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#8282848 - 07/09/15 11:03 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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anybody else swimmin'?

had a weird workout today involving a deck of cards [suit = stroke] and the value = yardage in 50s/100s up to the card-puller

also did some 50s/100s of free on more rest than usual and was coming in around 1:08-- 1:12 per 100y free which is fast for me /wee

although I dont care about distance I wonder if I'll ever get down around 21:xx in a 1500m free heh [got one in 2 weeks in a pool], I really, really doubt it lol. Probably 23:xx is what I'll end up with. No experience pacing this distance other than the [2] oly tris I've done which doesnt really compare imo--those were just cruise affairs no attempt at threshold swimming
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#8289385 - 07/14/15 01:30 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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so while I am actually only interested in baselineing my 50/100 free in a week and a half I'm sorta curious how I do on the 1500m

I made my own pace-chart conversion to where I'll probably end up: [my 2 Oly tri efforts at this distance have both landed in 27:xx range which I'm simultaneously annoyed with but also ok with as I dont want to venture into a 'too quick for me' pace that tires me out for the rest of it]. Yet the pacing is well below my pool workout pace [normally I baseline around 1:18-1:22 100y for any workout], yea the tri has a sand exit and a short jog and all so I dunno I guess, also sighting and non-ideal routes and bumping into people slow you down but you've got nobody to blame but yourself if slower people are in front of you more or less..

1:35 100y = 1:45.45 100m = 26:22 1500m
1:30 100y = 1:39.9 100m = 25:00 1500m
1:25 100y = 1:34.35 100m = 23:35 1500m
1:20 100y = 1:28.8 100m = 22:12 1500m

NQT 1650y pace = 1:14.56/100y

my pacing suggests a 22:xx would be a typical workout level effort. I do 100s on 1:30 leave [coming in around 1:20] for daaays, so anything slower than 25:00 represents some kind of pacing fuckup. Although 23:xx might be more realistic as there's some rest in there and I usually top out around 10 100s [not 16.4 like in a 1500m] and get a nice chunk of rest after.

Eg last time I swam a 1000y in a pool I went out on 1:09, came back on 1:11 and I was basically cooked lol. Ended up at 13:xx or right around a 1:22/100y pace and there were more than a couple 100s right around 1:30 on my splits lol.

I'm going to see if they'll let me wear my ambit watch which has a 'swim mode' which tells me my last 100y interval if I extend my streamline just a hair and stare at my watch it should give me my split [need to practice this more] so that I can tweak my pace a little. If I just go 1:20 on the button for the first 12 or so that should allow me to negative split a bit on the last 2-3 I hope**

of course any pacing/aids/related are strictly illegal lol. Assuming ref yells at me to take my watch off so I just need to work on the 'feel' of 1:20 pace which I totally have in a workout environment but whenever I step on the blocks in a race I lose it almost completely.

Also been working on turnover/rate/efficiency/working less hard to go fast in a distance event. Not sure I'm making any progress but I'm shortening up my stroke a little, more strokes per length as I tend to overglide a little I think. In a sprint/100% it works for me tho, but I think my arm action is too slow for a distance thing---too much effort/force, too tiring and I end up not going as fast as I could.

I suspect this would be a fun topic to work on over time---efficiency. Which when I brought it up to my coach last night she goes '...and what exactly have you been working on this whole time??' lol. I work on the sprints, the intervals, and working hard hah. Masters swim so far to me has been the OPPOSITE of working on efficiency. I always end up doing the Yeomans job of working hard the entire time and keeping my HR up into zone 4/typical sprint stuff.

I'm sure I wont have it dialed by next week but I'm going to start working on a 'distance specific' stroke and to dial up efficiency, learn the right tempo/analytic metric to figure out where I seem to operate best to bring these 1500m times down to around 22:xx or so without working too hard. I guess what I'm starting to realize is the 1500m is maybe only ~50% conditioning, it's easy 50% efficiency/form as well. My technique needs altering to get faster in this kind of distance.


*NOVEL* **WORDS** tl;dr

http://www.usaswimming.org/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1&itemid=5040&mid=8712

*thread on tempo/swimming
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#8297979 - 07/21/15 10:16 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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ok that was lame, a 23 year old guy dropped into our workout yesterday and was faster than all of us, completely disrupted our intervals haha.

normally I do 100s leaving on 1:30, coming in around 1:20 for 'moderate' pace and we asked this guy what intervals he would do so we'd guess at where to place him "Oh, around 1:00 or so"

us ???

"so like leaving on 1:10 or so?"

him

"yea"

us... "ok, you go first lol"

and I spent the whole workout revving up my interval so not to backup/lag in the lane/not get lapped.

It was a struggle to not get lapped in the middle of the ladder [400y], where I held ~1:15/100y pace [which is fast and a improvement for me on a distance set] but really I'm trying to focus on efficiency these days and this workout just became a slug-fest. Uggh

I was watching his intervals and coach confirmed he was coming in around 1:10, so perhaps he was over-estimating his speed or had dropped off a little or was just giving us a break. He said he was on the H20 polo team somewhere in minnesota as recently as last year. Ah... makes sense lol

anyways I hope he comes back but I think I'll demote myself a lane \:D
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#8298099 - 07/21/15 11:27 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: ]
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Thinking about if for this weekend \:D
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#8303511 - 07/24/15 03:55 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: ]
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1500m results:
24:09 on a 25:00 seed heh

kinda weak, but I was being somewhere between over-and-ultra cautious

also [not a surprise to me] my brain went into taylor-swift land and when the gun/bell rang for the last 50 I would have bet $20 I had another 250m to go. Anyways I knew [?? knew??] I was on the lead 50 so I looked up on what I thought was the finish for the 1300m heh and the timers were standing over me and catching my finish so I guess I was done. Heh.

Oh well I'll call it a workout. I still figure theres a 22:xx hiding in there if I just pace it right, I think I'm more than fit enough.

I was focusing on efficiency and low effort and apparently I nailed it. Wasnt even breathing hard at the end or any of that.

works out to a 1:26/100y pace. I got 2nd in my mid-packer heat probably because I sandbagged my seed slightly more than everybody else.

I'd like to see a 1:20/100y pace in this distance or slightly better the next time I do it in a couple months which would be right around a 22:30

Anyways 200 free is tomorrow morning and I have a ridiculous seed for my current fitness [200m free in 2:14 is super wishful thinking lol], and a 100m breast, and a 50m free. Hopefully I'm not super embarassed by any of these heh.

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#8305923 - 07/27/15 12:29 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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#8306711 - 07/27/15 08:45 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Design]
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Got 2nd in my age group in the 50m free and a 3rd in the 100m breast and a scratch in the 200m free since I didn't make the 8:10a deck sign-in /oops

I doubt euphoric is jealous of my 1:28.xx 100m breast
But try it w/2_masters swims/week and virtually no breastroke heh
Pure memory

I had the entire field at the turn but hella faded
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#8317574 - 08/04/15 10:42 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Beer belly leagues bruh (I'd probably do a 1:27.5 )
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#8326701 - 08/12/15 12:52 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/steve-west-olympic-trials-masters-world-record/
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#8326748 - 08/12/15 01:19 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Quote:

Steve West’s splits
100 breast:
30.34, 33.47

200 breast
31.75, 34.99, 35.42, 36.41


hella legit

I'm still stoked with my 1:28.xx lol
I went 41:xx, 47:xx

his 100m breastroke splits are the same as my 100m free right now \:\|
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#8328020 - 08/13/15 03:13 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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#8328028 - 08/13/15 03:18 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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sad isn't it? \:\|

I'm basically B-standard NQT in the 100m free in my age group and single A in the 50m free, so I'm not embarassing or anything imo, and probably just fine for [2] 1-hr masters swims/week

If there was a way to recover the missing :10s in my 100m free time I'm all ears man \:\|

my breastroke rules my masters group lol, that :40s 50m pace beats all of our HS/college dropins [everyone it seems knows that breastroke is a closet gay thing ]

as they say, I'm faster than everyone on the couch heh
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#8338628 - 08/24/15 12:45 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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broke my lifetime "no podium" streak sat in the alcatraz swim lol

3/12 hehe , per the chip timer I held a 1:40/100y pace to the finishing pad which was just barely out of the water only a few feet in. I sped up ~6 minutes from last year but I still was cruising--felt super comfortable when I got out. [my normal 'moderate' pace in workouts these days is 1:20/100y, but that of course is for intervals and includes a lot of time resting hehe].
Also i tried to stay in the front of the pack this time [I did finish in the top third], so there was way more elbows and swimming on top of eachother. That was kind of lame, couldnt settle into a rhythm for at least the first 10 minutes as I always always either being kicked, kicking somebody, or trading elbows it seemed. I imagine that was the first 750 yards or so then it cleared up.



also not sure I really went that straight based on my GPS watch data here, looks like it kinda took a reading at the start and the finish and just drew a straight line lol--the pace data dropped out everywhere meaning it wasnt getting any readings i think. Although I did come into the aquatic center almost on top of the concrete pilings on the far west end [not under it like it shows tho lol]

Alternatively: I did a damn good job of sighting and really pretty much did go perfectly straight and took maximum advantage of the current
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#8340751 - 08/25/15 08:09 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Nice job. How was the current? Ive heard its one of those events where you have to aim waaaay over there to make sure you hit the finish. :laug1: You GPS track looks pretty direct though, so it must not have been too bad.

I wouldn't mind coming out of swim retirement for that one.
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#8340756 - 08/25/15 08:16 PM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I was aiming east [to the right here] basically to the center of that breakwater for the first half, then I aimed for the center of the aquatic park entrance past that halfway point... and as you can see I nearly blew it as I was basically under the pier on the far west side of the entrance [next stop chrissy fields and/or GG bridge...]

but as I was getting closer to the entrance I realized the swim exit was towards the west anyways so I just swam straight through... seemed to work ok

felt like I had a solid wave/wind/current push in the second half of the channel also

like stroke...stroke...ride the back of a windwave/feel the shove forward.... breathe...stroke...stroke...surf the back of the next one...repeat

in other words, unless this is a GPS sampling/error problem and basically it really only had a couple of points to draw a straight line between, I actually did a near-perfect job of sighting/vectoring with/cross current to end up virtually going straight. I certainly was trying to aim east and then shift west as I got close to the harbor entrance [which is how they say to do it] eg I was aiming at the palace of fine arts once I got halfway [which is waaay west and probably why I almost went under the pier]
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#8583471 - 03/10/16 11:49 AM Re: Swimmers ? Woo post a workout maybe? [Re: stickaz_old]
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got a swim meet saturday where I entered:
[SCY]
50 free, 100 free, 200 free and 100 br
would be nice to qualify for AG nationals in the 50 but I'll probably just miss it [not tapering/shaving/I never work on my start/etc]
not hoping for anything super amazing lol as I am quite slow now haha

workouts have shown an uptick lately. Possibly just because I have more energy/gave myself a running break my typical in-the-water swim pace is now ~1:20/100y on even distance sets up to around 500 or so without too much drama [faster if I'm drafting], which is a handful of seconds faster than most of last year. Not sure it means anything as this 'improvement' basically is 100% coincidental with me backing off of all hard runs and cutting biking mileage and run mileage in half [or more]

still nice to be improving [I only do 2 1-hr swim sessions/week so I'm hardly doing much yardage]

last night a set of 6x100s on 1:30 [came in around 1:20] and 3x200s on 3:00 [came in around 2:45] were surprisingly easy, HR was not really out of zone 3 which implies that I'm just cruising/how it felt. So who knows I'm hoping to be knocking on a 1:20 interval if I step up to zone 4 or so, coming in around 1:15. I know I could make a few of those but definitely still have a lot of work to do that easily. Probably not happening on 2 hrs/week of swimming tho lol.

anyways this is my first swim post in ~6 months so deal with it \:D
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