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#6470140 - 07/20/12 02:04 PM So, I'm finally building an engine... *new dyno # 2/7/2014*
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Put some money down with the local shop that's been working on my car for years. They seem to do a pretty clean job, so I expect the motor to come out great as well. I was originally planning an LS1 swap, but circumstances did not work out, so I'll be doing something else. I'll post more about it, once the parts start to arrive. I'm thinking that realistically the motor should be done and in the car by September.
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#6470184 - 07/20/12 02:25 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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#6470197 - 07/20/12 02:31 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: FCobra94]
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As someone on Corral said, I have a fully built car around a stock engine. Time to change that.
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#6470218 - 07/20/12 02:40 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Nice its about time. You'll be able to move those pluses in your sig to the right.
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#6470346 - 07/20/12 03:33 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: LowTech302]
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yeah watch out you will want a big windsor soon \:\) you should check out this american iron video of paul brown with a n/a 5.7 ex cup motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yy8PHXbgMI&feature=related
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#6470356 - 07/20/12 03:39 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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I'll probably be buying my hood from Tiger Racing to keep everything cool. Also have to step up to bigger lines on the oil cooler.
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#6470444 - 07/20/12 04:18 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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347? 331? 408? 470? C'mon...don't be a bitch and just tease. Put out man! I want details or you're useless to me!
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#6470461 - 07/20/12 04:22 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: UglyValiant]
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Eagle 331 internally balanced rotating assembly, AFR 185 heads, either Comp or custom cam.
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#6470592 - 07/20/12 05:21 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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That will be a healthy motor and the 185's are a good match for a naturally aspirated 331. a 205 or a 210 edel vic jr head would have been a good match too, that thing will make power. What intake are you going to use? Don't say stock either \:\) stock intake manifold is a cork. I finally gave in and upgraded to a 96 exploder intake after i grabbed some gt40 heads. For your motor I would look at an Edel Performer RPM 2 intake. That is a great midrange rpm intake and would make the most usable power throughout the powerband on that n/a 331. I had a systemax intake which was similar to the vortech/saleen intake and i just felt like the runners were so big that the velocity suffered with my stock 302 and the e7 heads which were so small. My HP went up by 40+ with the e303 cam but torque dropped considerably and felt like a dud off the line. it definitely ran better with the blower, but the e7 heads and my 19lb injectors with FMU still held me back to 340whp @ 10psi. Not very impressive. would guess you will need 36lb injectors for your new setup. 24lb'ers might just be a tad small.
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#6470669 - 07/20/12 06:17 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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I'm going to reuse my Edelbrock performer that I have installed a while ago. It's been ported to use 75mm throttle body, so should be just fine for this application. I'd like to see 350whp or so, but who knows how much I'll really get.
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#6470907 - 07/20/12 08:42 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Awesome. Glad you're doing it right.
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#6471581 - 07/21/12 01:25 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: Impulsive]
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Sounds like a nice combo, this is a car built to turn rather than all out drag racer right?
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#6471589 - 07/21/12 01:33 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: MaverickMan
Sounds like a nice combo, this is a car built to turn rather than all out drag racer right?


This car is pretty much solely built for road courses..
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#6472215 - 07/21/12 11:30 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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 Originally Posted By: ReplicaR
I'd like to see 350whp or so, but who knows how much I'll really get.
Well, the parts are there...it'll depend on the cam you select. For a fuel-injected engine w/ this many cubic inches, I'd look to something in the 228-234 @.050 range (intake side) w/ a 112-114 LSA for a hyd. roller. You'll want to spin this thing to 6500 rpm for those cubes to make the target practice.

If still going to street this car frequently and for fairly common commuting, then 185's are perfect. If heading to the track (either) more so than to the kwik-e-mart, then I'd probably opt for 205's and a cam in the 234-238 range.
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#6472446 - 07/22/12 09:39 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: UglyValiant]
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It's still going to be the daily driver for just a little bit longer, not to mention that I'd like to keep the appearance of smog legality with CARB numbers on heads and intake and headers (I'm going with shorty headers. As for the cam, I was thinking of going with Comp Cams XE282HR. I may also go with custom, but that will be decided later.
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#6474513 - 07/23/12 12:04 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Would recommend staying with shortys. I had to switch from Kooks to BBK longtubes after I put head studs on the stock block. Getting them in was no fun job because you have to lift the motor up very high. So basically to get the trans out I had to take off the passenger side header by unbolting mounts, raising it, then had to lower it back and bolt the mounts again so i could pull the bellhousing/trans out. Pain in the ass. I don't like unbolting the driveshaft when pulling the trans either so I wiggle it out at an angle making it a little harder before I pull it off the yoke on the ground. Anyway I would steer away from longtubes. Don't think they are worth the hassle unless you are making over 500whp.
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#6475527 - 07/23/12 07:50 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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As for the cam, I was thinking of going with Comp Cams XE282HR.[/quote] That cam will make the number...easily. Might be a little wild for the street with those cubes, but will command attention any cruise spot you pull into. NICE.
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#6503042 - 08/04/12 08:03 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: UglyValiant]
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Well, some of the parts came in already. Here is the lot of parts that came in so far



For bottom end I went with Eagle 331 internally balanced rotating assembly. I really wanted to do an internally balanced engine, so it could be more rev happy. I'm probably not going to rev it too far, since this is a street engine using hydraulic roller cam. Probably going for a 6500 rpm redline. Everything is forged, including the Mahle pistons and H-beam rods.




Top end parts so far are Comp 1.6 roller rockers and hardened pushrods



And since factory engine is a 50oz externally balanced, I can't reuse stock flywheel or balancer. So I ordered one of ACT ProLite flywheel. What's cool about this piece is that most of the material has been removed from outside of the flywheel, in effort to keep the rotating mass down. And it's also one piece, which means that it will be as reliable as stock flywheel.



Other stuff that's not in pictures are just gaskets, and Ford Racing high volume oil pump. Stay tuned for more.
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#6503435 - 08/05/12 12:54 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Though you purchased a balanced kit, make sure you go ahead and have it balanced by the machine shop. You'd be surprised how many people buy balanced kits and they turn out not to be terribly balanced. I forget how many grams my "internally balanced" kit was off...but it was very worth my while to pay the extra 175 to get it done and know it was dead nuts on...and now it revs so smoothly...very impressed with the results.
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#6503513 - 08/05/12 05:02 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: UglyValiant]
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Oh yeah, absolutely. The kit is gonna be balanced. We are still waiting on harmonic balancer to arrive. Once its here, everything is going to machine shop
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#6521898 - 08/13/12 01:06 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Love watching a new build happen \:\) just got back from vacation, so will keep checking your progress.
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#6545578 - 08/24/12 01:11 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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Car hit 240k miles today on the way back from work. I gotta say, this is the hardest working engine I've ever seen. Also a bit of an update, rotating assembly went off to get balanced. I've also ordered a solid steering shaft and some new headlights
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#6546122 - 08/24/12 10:51 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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These engines can go a long time when taken care of no doubt about it.
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#6546581 - 08/24/12 02:56 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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Ok, so here is the tentative timeline. The motor should be fully assembled by end of second week of September. At that point I will give my car to the shop, and they will begin work on installing the motor, and everything else that's supposed to happen. I should get the car back after a couple of weeks of work, tuning, road testing, and working out all the small kinks.
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#6547726 - 08/25/12 06:05 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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So, car back to you, finished by second week of october? Ish?
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#6548242 - 08/25/12 04:34 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: GB]
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Yeah, most likely. Maybe sooner. There is another autoX in October, it would be nice to give the car it's first shake down.
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#6571790 - 09/06/12 09:59 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Few more parts. Say hello to:

Machined block with filed rings



Shorty Headers


In Tank Fuel Pump


Camshaft


Harmonic Balancer


Oil Pan


Roller Lifters (a little blurry)
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#6573723 - 09/07/12 06:34 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Looking good man. I'm jealous!
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#6576897 - 09/10/12 01:39 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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Another small update. Just put the car on a local scale. With fuel tank being filled to the top the car is 3420 lbs with 57/43 distribution. I'm going to measure it again after the engine work is complete
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#6577353 - 09/10/12 11:02 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Some nice additions \:\) The Innovators West is a nice piece.
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#6577737 - 09/10/12 03:55 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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I've tried to do best of parts where I could. I understand that ATI is actually the best balancer on the market, however they don't have one for 94-95. They had one in development, but it would not be ready for another couple of months. I went with second best, which is Innovators West.
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#6577759 - 09/10/12 04:20 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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An ATI came with the race shortblock I had, very nice unit, I ended up using my motorsport piece since it had more material and figured it would hold up better with the large blower crank pulley after I had it double keyed. It had a removable counterweight as well. Romac's are good as well I'm told. Funny part is i was looking for something cheap to go back on my stock shortblock so I bought an ebay special old stock Lunati unit for around 80 dollars. Seems to be working so far \:\)
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#6589802 - 09/16/12 11:36 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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Stage 8 bolts for headers.
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#6589957 - 09/16/12 01:13 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Awesome man, it ll be like driving a new car . Vids to follow of course
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#6590357 - 09/16/12 05:33 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: PsychoEBPSiR]
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Yeah, actually thinking of asking our digital department at work to do a small clip of the car. I work for a small studio as a sql developer
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