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#5799947 - 09/13/11 03:30 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ]
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It's not mathematically impossible -- HP could be increasing while torque is decreasing by ANY value. Remember that HP is a function of RPM multiplication of torque; with a million RPM's, even a 99% drop from your "original" toruqe figure could still be a ridiculous amount of power.

Now, that being said, a 4-cycle piston-driven gasoline engine is less likely to carry that advantage in the way suggested \:\) Still, the math isn't impossible, just the technicalities of getting a K20 that high might be.
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#5799998 - 09/13/11 03:50 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ]
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It's been ten years, frankly I don't have a photographic memory, I'm just recalling what I can and my memory tells me that shifting at 9400, while it was making slightly more whp, did not net me any better ET or MPH at the strip. I think the highest MPH I hit was 99.xx with that setup. It wasn't a drag car by any means, but that's the only comparative basis I have since dyno's can be manipulated way too easily.
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#5800027 - 09/13/11 04:04 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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#5800967 - 09/14/11 04:34 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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 Originally Posted By: ElectronVTEC2
It's been ten years, frankly I don't have a photographic memory, I'm just recalling what I can and my memory tells me that shifting at 9400, while it was making slightly more whp, did not net me any better ET or MPH at the strip. I think the highest MPH I hit was 99.xx with that setup. It wasn't a drag car by any means, but that's the only comparative basis I have since dyno's can be manipulated way too easily.


You are damn right dynos could be manipulated very easily....this thread is proof.

I would always shift past or at the peak hp number though. What determines how fast you're going to go is how much average horsepower you're putting down the strip. To do that you have to clear peak hp imo.
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#5802122 - 09/14/11 04:12 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ]
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Maybe that's why I only hit 99 MPH then. It could have been higher, hell I don't know, I didn't exactly keep my timeslips from 2002 \:\) I know I hit 108 mph with the turbo on it at 6 psi and no Jun cams, and that dyno'd 274 whp. Seriously though, our track sucks major ass, it's just a place to legally disobey speed limits, that's it pretty much.

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#5802922 - 09/14/11 10:48 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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99 is a giant bag of crap for that set up...

108mph at 6 psi is great!
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#5803082 - 09/15/11 01:18 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
Genius, you quoted the first part of his post, but not the last.
Anyway, blah blah blah...this is not a 200whp hatch. k thanx bye.


Genius, that is the entire post.

"In fact most chassis dynos measure flywheel hp and calculate wheel...how come you can do a pull in 3rd gear or 4th gear and basically they measure the same

This is "comparison mode" which is Dyno Dynamics method of equating to Dynojet numbers...it says flywheel on the graphs (just like dynapack) but every car I have had report to me about going on a local Dynojet the numbers have been within 1-2% as far as I have been told"

And here's the direct link to the post since you seem to be having some trouble.
http://honda-tech.com/showpost.php?p=45955841&postcount=31

like I said, you quoted someone that has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than a random opinion on the internet and for the record I really don't care if the hatch makes 250whp or 120whp, I'm simply quoting the professional who does this for a living...enough said.


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#5803659 - 09/15/11 11:13 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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My dyno that I posted a few weeks back was done the same way , dyno dynamics can put in a dyno jet correction factor. My 194 whp sounds pretty close to what a stockish 225crank hp car should be putting down. Without the correction factor my car made 165whp which is extremely low.

The dyno operator told me since dyno dynamics read even lower than mustang dynos people would always be disappointed ,and it was affecting his business. So I don't blame them for using dyno jet numbers.

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#5804692 - 09/15/11 06:37 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Quad4_driver]
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#5805078 - 09/15/11 09:36 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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LOL I was RIGHT on the money. 14.2@97mph. LOL
Proof the old man still knows his Hondas, contrary to popular belief... Thanks for posting that.
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#5805186 - 09/15/11 11:13 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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thats slow for that set up.

still... no way the rsx is trapping 102 mph if that hatch truly traps 97...


this is more representative of a decent running set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUvEBBBzkQ



well sorted itr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFpC8DTWHw

my buddy trapped 98 mph all day long in his 01 itr back in the day.

poorly launched 14.5 @ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYg4gAl3Hg

skunk2 cams/mods for this itr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKkhT1wQd0

103 mph.

no way that eg is running well @ 97 mph traps.
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#5805460 - 09/16/11 07:59 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Hard to argue with the times. but it is what it is.

I went with a buddy who i know has pulled on cars trapping over 105 but his best run of the day was a 104mph trap.

Im determined to prove it was a slow night so i'll let you know when i better these numbers

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#5806109 - 09/16/11 01:23 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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ah, that's cute, people still street race.
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#5806144 - 09/16/11 01:41 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Driven]
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#5806215 - 09/16/11 02:19 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Driven]
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ah, that's cute, people still street race.


lol, after spending $40+ for 2 passes at the closest track, im surprise more people don't streetrace

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#5806576 - 09/16/11 05:19 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats slow for that set up.

still... no way the rsx is trapping 102 mph if that hatch truly traps 97...


this is more representative of a decent running set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUvEBBBzkQ



well sorted itr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFpC8DTWHw

my buddy trapped 98 mph all day long in his 01 itr back in the day.

poorly launched 14.5 @ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYg4gAl3Hg

skunk2 cams/mods for this itr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKkhT1wQd0

103 mph.

no way that eg is running well @ 97 mph traps.


Don't people know not to compare trap speeds and ETs from different tracks???? That is drag racing 101. You just cant.
The hatch is running exactly what it's supposed to run at Englishtown in early fall weather, which is why I was able to guess the time it would run.
A friend's stock ITR ran 94mph there back in the day in similar weather. Bottom line is: this hatch does not make significantly more power than a stock dc2 itr, it is just lighter by 300lbs+. This timeslip proves that the 208whp number is utter bullshit and that this is basically a stock b18c5 hatch. lol
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#5806909 - 09/16/11 09:31 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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#5807453 - 09/17/11 10:52 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
I'm guessing around 14.1-14.2@97-98mph on street tires. To me this is more like a 185whp hatch.

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#5807633 - 09/17/11 01:39 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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What's funny is that after the RSX run I would have guessed the Hatch would have run the same times 14.0-14.3 @ 97-100mph. There was no argument there, but it is funny you guys are so adamant about the power the Hatch was making but yet didn't say anything about the RSX which was dyno'd on the same dyno within 2 weeks of the Hatch.

I'm not trying to make excuses or anyone but the track conditions that night were absolutely terrible, and the Hatch and 335 only got 2 runs a piece. For what it's worth my buddys 335 w/ Vishnu Procede, 3.5 DP and Charge Pipe trapped a best of 104mph and got ripped to shreds on the BMW forums for his slow times. Those cars have gone 13.3 @ 103 bone stock, for reference. I'm positive that Hatch will trap 100+ on a good day. Not to mention for those who don't believe the RSX is a 102 car, take into consideration there was an extra passenger in the RSX while there was none in the hatch.

You guys also primarily thought the hatch would weigh 2200-2300lbs when the reality was it was closer to 2500 lbs.
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#5807636 - 09/17/11 01:44 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats slow for that set up.

still... no way the rsx is trapping 102 mph if that hatch truly traps 97...


this is more representative of a decent running set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUvEBBBzkQ



well sorted itr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFpC8DTWHw

my buddy trapped 98 mph all day long in his 01 itr back in the day.

poorly launched 14.5 @ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYg4gAl3Hg

skunk2 cams/mods for this itr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKkhT1wQd0

103 mph.

no way that eg is running well @ 97 mph traps.


Don't people know not to compare trap speeds and ETs from different tracks???? That is drag racing 101. You just cant.
The hatch is running exactly what it's supposed to run at Englishtown in early fall weather, which is why I was able to guess the time it would run.
A friend's stock ITR ran 94mph there back in the day in similar weather. Bottom line is: this hatch does not make significantly more power than a stock dc2 itr, it is just lighter by 300lbs+. This timeslip proves that the 208whp number is utter bullshit and that this is basically a stock b18c5 hatch. lol

You realize this was his first time at the track with the Hatch and he only was able to get 2 runs, correct? Hardly any time to test and tune. I'll tell you what tho, I'll bet this car goes 100mph traps before the season is over without adding anymore power, just going to a better track.
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#5807641 - 09/17/11 01:48 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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ah, that's cute, people still street race.


lol, after spending $40+ for 2 passes at the closest track, im surprise more people don't streetrace


Correction, driving an hour and a half to get to your closest track for 2 runs, that place sucks. Island is where it's at!!
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#5807859 - 09/17/11 05:07 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats slow for that set up.

still... no way the rsx is trapping 102 mph if that hatch truly traps 97...


this is more representative of a decent running set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUvEBBBzkQ



well sorted itr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFpC8DTWHw

my buddy trapped 98 mph all day long in his 01 itr back in the day.

poorly launched 14.5 @ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYg4gAl3Hg

skunk2 cams/mods for this itr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKkhT1wQd0

103 mph.

no way that eg is running well @ 97 mph traps.


Don't people know not to compare trap speeds and ETs from different tracks???? That is drag racing 101. You just cant.
The hatch is running exactly what it's supposed to run at Englishtown in early fall weather, which is why I was able to guess the time it would run.
A friend's stock ITR ran 94mph there back in the day in similar weather. Bottom line is: this hatch does not make significantly more power than a stock dc2 itr, it is just lighter by 300lbs+. This timeslip proves that the 208whp number is utter bullshit and that this is basically a stock b18c5 hatch. lol

You realize this was his first time at the track with the Hatch and he only was able to get 2 runs, correct? Hardly any time to test and tune. I'll tell you what tho, I'll bet this car goes 100mph traps before the season is over without adding anymore power, just going to a better track.


It might see 100mph when it's less than 38 degrees out and it's dry. other than that nah....
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#5807917 - 09/17/11 06:18 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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Lol. Planing any trips to the track cliff? Id love to line up next to the z
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#5808475 - 09/18/11 05:22 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Lol. Planing any trips to the track cliff? Id love to line up next to the z


Same here, but he's "retired"
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#5808476 - 09/18/11 05:24 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats slow for that set up.

still... no way the rsx is trapping 102 mph if that hatch truly traps 97...


this is more representative of a decent running set up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUvEBBBzkQ



well sorted itr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsFpC8DTWHw

my buddy trapped 98 mph all day long in his 01 itr back in the day.

poorly launched 14.5 @ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYg4gAl3Hg

skunk2 cams/mods for this itr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIKkhT1wQd0

103 mph.

no way that eg is running well @ 97 mph traps.


Don't people know not to compare trap speeds and ETs from different tracks???? That is drag racing 101. You just cant.
The hatch is running exactly what it's supposed to run at Englishtown in early fall weather, which is why I was able to guess the time it would run.
A friend's stock ITR ran 94mph there back in the day in similar weather. Bottom line is: this hatch does not make significantly more power than a stock dc2 itr, it is just lighter by 300lbs+. This timeslip proves that the 208whp number is utter bullshit and that this is basically a stock b18c5 hatch. lol

You realize this was his first time at the track with the Hatch and he only was able to get 2 runs, correct? Hardly any time to test and tune. I'll tell you what tho, I'll bet this car goes 100mph traps before the season is over without adding anymore power, just going to a better track.


It might see 100mph when it's less than 38 degrees out and it's dry. other than that nah....


Heh yeah......I'm sure you'll have the excuses ready.
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#5809218 - 09/18/11 07:31 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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Lol. Planing any trips to the track cliff? Id love to line up next to the z


Same here, but he's "retired"


I really dont' know why anyone would want to race my car so much.

First of all it is stock and right now slower than stock due to the rims I have. I've got nothing to prove, it's going to run low 14s and trap around 97-100. I used to trap 120mph+ in my turbo Civic so to me racing a low 14 sec car seems meh.
Secondly I can only get to the track on a weekend. I actually have a regular 9-5 job so it's tough to get to NJ during the weekdays. But heh if you guys hit the strip on a weekend I may change my mind just to hang out and talk shit. hehe...

I also find it funny that this kick to ze liver character is always posting races about other cars but never or rarely posts about his car. Very strange.
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#5809327 - 09/18/11 08:20 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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Lol. Planing any trips to the track cliff? Id love to line up next to the z


Same here, but he's "retired"


I really dont' know why anyone would want to race my car so much.

First of all it is stock and right now slower than stock due to the rims I have. I've got nothing to prove, it's going to run low 14s and trap around 97-100. I used to trap 120mph+ in my turbo Civic so to me racing a low 14 sec car seems meh.
Secondly I can only get to the track on a weekend. I actually have a regular 9-5 job so it's tough to get to NJ during the weekdays. But heh if you guys hit the strip on a weekend I may change my mind just to hang out and talk shit. hehe...

I also find it funny that this kick to ze liver character is always posting races about other cars but never or rarely posts about his car. Very strange.


lol really? maybe your alzheimer's is kicking in.....do a little search on here and you'll find plenty of vids of my 05 that would spank your little 350Z, dig or any mph roll...lol what a weak attempt at an insult trying to act like I don't own a car, total failure once again clifford, just like you couldn't understand how to quote from Honda-Tech correctly, lol

yeah.....you must be old, lol

and to answer your question why anyone would wanna run your slow Z, it's because I think you're a big time shit talker and I'd love to shut your mouth in my slow 4 cylinder FWD econobox


Edited by Kick to ze liver (09/18/11 08:26 PM)
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#5809595 - 09/18/11 10:50 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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do you even know the history of cliffs cars?

stfu
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#5809706 - 09/19/11 12:19 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Cliff cant drive at all lolz. God this thread reminds me of the old SVA from 7-8 years ago. Arguing about 15 second cars.
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#5809725 - 09/19/11 01:00 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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do you even know the history of cliffs cars?

stfu


why would I care about the history of his cars? does he even know the history of my cars???? who gives a shit.....I was calling him out in his Z, now go back to jerking it to my honda vids
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#5809730 - 09/19/11 01:09 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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do you even know the history of cliffs cars?

stfu


He was probably wearing diapers when I was running my Civic...

Anyway, "kick me to the liver" guy, if beating me in a drag race is going to make you feel that much better you are really a sad case. I have no more comment on this matter.
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#5809797 - 09/19/11 04:10 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cliff st-clair]
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#5810199 - 09/19/11 10:52 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: B15Sentra ]
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I'm hoping to hit 104 MPH with my new setup.

In the 1/8th mile.

Seriously though, most of the cars in the vids sound good, and the races seem to be pretty tight, but making it some sort of life's mission to beat a 14 second car with another 14 second car is really pretty sad. With that said, even if you do "shut his mouth" by beating his Z with your RSX, no one outside of you would probably give a shit, and I think 95% of us here would rather drive the Z home than an RSX. It's like the time I put a bus or two on the douche in a Z06 at the track - he still drove home in a C5Z, and I drove home in my little turbo tin can.

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#5810241 - 09/19/11 11:03 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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Loc: Seattle
all of this NYC fun reminds me of the days when i lived there.

I wish i could have some fun runs with you guys in my sentra or evo. I still have some good friends over there running VVL sentra's and 200sx's.
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#5810805 - 09/19/11 03:29 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ]
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You challenge them to a race to prove they are right???
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