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#5126353 - 10/25/10 12:26 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Damnit, Laverty]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	nice work!
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#5126649 - 10/25/10 02:14 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	congrats man _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5127090 - 10/25/10 05:14 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Damnit, Laverty]
ChittyChittyGangBang ChittyChittyGangBang Post Master Registered: 12/19/02 Posts: 2342 Loc: St Louis, Mo	Keep with it brother. Every little bit helps.
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#5128059 - 10/26/10 09:09 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: ChittyChittyGangBang]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like M - 5k recovery run T - 4.5m run W - 5m run Th - rest F - 5m run S - x-train a bit or just stretch Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon) that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th.
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#5128205 - 10/26/10 10:04 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead sponsored by ColoUnlimited 5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like M - 5k recovery run T - 4.5m run W - 5m run Th - rest F - 5m run S - x-train a bit or just stretch Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon) that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th. you don't think you will strain your legs/muscles by following that routine. i know by wednesday, you'll be dragging ass and you won't be fully rested _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5128211 - 10/26/10 10:07 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	here's a question for the serious runners sat and sunday i ran 6miles on each day with a 8.34min/mile pace. when i completed the run, i felt good. yesterday i ran 4.2miles(with an 8.30 pace) and my legs are sore as shit. is this happening because by running 6miles, they get a better stretch duting the run as opposed to 4miles where they are barely stretched by the time that i am done running _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5128460 - 10/26/10 12:04 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sir Ironpool Sir Ironpool Sponsored by Toyota Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 71803 Loc: Long Beach, CA	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead sponsored by ColoUnlimited 5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like M - 5k recovery run T - 4.5m run W - 5m run Th - rest F - 5m run S - x-train a bit or just stretch Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon) that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th. you don't think you will strain your legs/muscles by following that routine. i know by wednesday, you'll be dragging ass and you won't be fully rested Nah..he has a good running base already. He'll handle that plan no problem. The recovery run on mondays are key to progression. _________________________
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#5128462 - 10/26/10 12:07 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sir Ironpool Sir Ironpool Sponsored by Toyota Post Master Supreme Registered: 03/12/01 Posts: 71803 Loc: Long Beach, CA	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH here's a question for the serious runners sat and sunday i ran 6miles on each day with a 8.34min/mile pace. when i completed the run, i felt good. yesterday i ran 4.2miles(with an 8.30 pace) and my legs are sore as shit. is this happening because by running 6miles, they get a better stretch duting the run as opposed to 4miles where they are barely stretched by the time that i am done running I don't think it has anything to do with how much stretch your legs get. You did two days of hard running....and it didn't catch up to you till the third day. I have rarely (if ever) had a long run where I felt like crap, it's always been on shorter runs after I've had a tough previous few days of training. _________________________
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#5128562 - 10/26/10 12:59 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sir Ironpool]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	I'm with Mr.Mom. I think you're tired because you ran three days in a row. What was your schedule like before that? Also, what's your stretching like after you run? When you finished your 6 miles on Sat and Sun how much time did you spend stretching? Also, how are you doing with staying hydrated? A lot of times I find my muscles feel heavy because I've been bad about sipping water all day long. I can definitely relate to having an off day after a few days of running hard. It's to be expected. Also, just having a shitty run without any real reason has to be expected. There have been days when I just feel "off" maybe it was a bad nights sleep? maybe it was just that my head wasn't into it. Whatever the reason I had a shitty run is just as easy to explain as the reason why sometimes I'll run for 10 miles and finish feeling like I could do another 10. But I am very curious about your stretching and hydrating. Those two are really critical if you're getting to a point here you're hitting >30 miles per week, and if you're at 16 by Tuesday then there's a decent chance you'll be crossing that threshold soon...
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#5128589 - 10/26/10 01:06 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	during the day at work, i usually consume about 1.5 to 2gals of crystal light(sugar free, low calorie) a day. i'm bad about stretching due to me running with the dog sometimes and she being pooped out and wanting to get inside the house. when i lived by my house i used to do 20-25mins of stretching afterwards. now, i'd be lucky to get in 5 mins and i think that time is me walking up and down the steps before/after i get in the shower _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5128601 - 10/26/10 01:11 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	gotta make stretching (after the run) a part of your workout... there's really no getting around that. It doesn't have to be RIGHT after - you can get inside, down a full glass of water - then attack it, but you gotta do it. Especially after a 6 miler. it's one of those things that will catch up with you in a hurry and then get to a point where it affects your running. the key is to stay ahead of it. oh, and get a foam roller! Try this experiment next week. It's not scientific, but it might help hammer the point home. Do your 6 miles on Sat and Sun but do 15min of good leg stretching after each run, then see if you're still running flat on Monday with your 4 miler.
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#5129500 - 10/26/10 07:03 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
ChittyChittyGangBang ChittyChittyGangBang Post Master Registered: 12/19/02 Posts: 2342 Loc: St Louis, Mo	Tried a sprinting and walk/jog 3 miles, finished in 25.30. Thought it would be be then that.....
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#5129651 - 10/26/10 08:05 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: ChittyChittyGangBang]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass Thought it would be be then that..... uh-oh... are you delirious? no gym for home...?
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#5129890 - 10/26/10 09:45 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
ChittyChittyGangBang ChittyChittyGangBang Post Master Registered: 12/19/02 Posts: 2342 Loc: St Louis, Mo	$\:\)$ Thought it would be better then that.....
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#5130377 - 10/27/10 08:57 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: ChittyChittyGangBang]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	why did you run/walk?? were you having breathing problems or just testing out your sprint times _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5130387 - 10/27/10 09:02 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	there's a dude (Jeff Galloway) who was made famous for his walk/run marathon method. Begging runners usually finish faster using that method than they do straight running it.
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#5130401 - 10/27/10 09:05 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	did my 4.33 miles last night in 36:06, but did my fastest mile last (8:14). Got my new shoes too!! But I didn't try them last night. If it's dry out tonight I might take them for a couple miles to see how they fit. They're "minimalist" shoes, so I need to get into them gradually. these dogs - Brooks Green Silence: They weigh 8oz vs. the 15oz my regular shoes weigh. They feel like fucking slippers too. Love 'em.
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#5130507 - 10/27/10 09:37 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	oh wow that's something that i have noticed this year. the weight of the show can affect your run as well. it's not as simple as lacing up and heading out for a run. if the shoe is too heavy, it can impact your run times etc _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5130662 - 10/27/10 10:15 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH oh wow that's something that i have noticed this year. the weight of the show can affect your run as well. it's not as simple as lacing up and heading out for a run. if the shoe is too heavy, it can impact your run times etc I'm more interested in moving to a forefoot strike instead of a heal strike. The heel-to-toe drop on this is only 8mm whereas my Omni 9s it is around 18mm if not more. Doesn't sound like much, but if my heel is hitting the ground 10mm sooner in the Omni 9s then it will more than likely mean that the heel becomes the strike point.
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#5130717 - 10/27/10 10:26 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Garest Garest Post Master Sr Registered: 03/15/01 Posts: 7628 Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada	it feels strange at first but i like it alot more than heel toe strike when i first started running like that it almost felt like when running from my knee to my foot was moving in a circle. (i guess with both legs like a egg beater motion). but i find when im full out sprinting as fast as i can i'll revert back to a heel toe strike
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#5130819 - 10/27/10 10:51 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Garest]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	yeah, I figure I'll use these shoes on 3 mile or less runs to get used to them. I don't know if I'll ever do longer distances, but I'd like to build up to a half marathon distance in them. target cadence for efficient running is 180 steps per minute (90 per foot obv). So I figure if I am running for 1:55 that's 10,350 times I am lifting each leg. I lift 15oz 10,350 times with each leg during a half marathon, so I would imagine it would take less energy to lift 8oz 10,350 times, right? the only concern is if there is enough cushioning in the shoe to make 13.1 miles still feel comfortable. So, that's why I'll be ramping up slowly in these. Not to mention I can't expect to switch to a forefoot strike overnight. i have some un-learning to do...
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#5133129 - 10/28/10 09:56 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	no gym for home? I altered my schedule a bit so I'm doing this now instead (Wednesday nights are tough). Switching Wednesday and Thursday. Tonight it's 5 alive! Also - here's a handy race finder if you are looking for some fall/winter action: http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/racefinder/0,7151,s6-239-283-284-0-0-0-0-0,00.html
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#5133300 - 10/28/10 10:58 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor ARGHHHHH no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5133491 - 10/28/10 11:55 AM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH 10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor ARGHHHHH no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles?
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#5133727 - 10/28/10 01:04 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH 10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor ARGHHHHH no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles? on mapmyrun i can but not on nikerunning.com all your miles, pace, etc is logged and recorded by the nike+ apparatus in an effort to stop people from cheating and lying about their distance/time/pace because of all the challenges that nike has _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5133744 - 10/28/10 01:10 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	oh snap! Have you considered ditching the nike+ for a garmin watch? I tried the nike thing but couldn't get it to work with any accuracy...
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#5133876 - 10/28/10 01:52 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Cheesegoggles Cheesegoggles Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/10/08 Posts: 19073 Loc: Here	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH 10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor ARGHHHHH no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles? on mapmyrun i can but not on nikerunning.com all your miles, pace, etc is logged and recorded by the nike+ apparatus in an effort to stop people from cheating and lying about their distance/time/pace because of all the challenges that nike has Actually you can. I've done it once or twice. http://nikeplusedit.com/ Obviously, since it only goes by total elapsed time and distance, you don't see variations in pace. But if you just want to get something loaded with miles and average pace, it can be done.
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#5133965 - 10/28/10 02:24 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Cheesegoggles]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	cool. i will use it today and see how it works. i missed my 4mile run last night(using the nike+ half marathon training coach) because i lost the sensor(going to pick up a new one tomorrow though). sucks that i have a 4mile run tonight and possibly a 6miler on friday to get myself back on schedule. i also lost my running mate, my dog, because she couldnt handle it without breathing hard after the run _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5133967 - 10/28/10 02:25 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5133969 - 10/28/10 02:27 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Cheesegoggles Cheesegoggles Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/10/08 Posts: 19073 Loc: Here	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time It doesn't need your end time since it has the duration. It really just creates a very minimalist log for your run.
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#5134015 - 10/28/10 02:41 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Cheesegoggles]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time It doesn't need your end time since it has the duration. It really just creates a very minimalist log for your run. minimalist log. that's the kinda poo you have when you're eating a reduced calorie diet.
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#5134051 - 10/28/10 02:52 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Duc Duc Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/20/03 Posts: 35382 Loc: MD	bah...one more day of not running won't hurt i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time _________________________ BigAl: there is a huge difference between working out to be healthy, and ingesting 10 protein shakes a day, creatine, roids, etc. JoeyBalls: Yup. That's why I said I workout to look good. If i wanted to be healthy. I'd swim. *..you can NEVER out train a bad diet -- FitExcellence*
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#5134085 - 10/28/10 03:00 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Duc]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH bah...one more day of not running won't hurt i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time? I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA
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#5134124 - 10/28/10 03:10 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Sirbeefhead]
Cheesegoggles Cheesegoggles Post Master Supreme Registered: 07/10/08 Posts: 19073 Loc: Here	Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH bah...one more day of not running won't hurt i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time? I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA How does that do holding a signal. We got my wife an older model a while back and it was horrible. But the Garmin Edge I have for my bike has been great for four or five years now.
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#5134129 - 10/28/10 03:12 PM Re: Running/Cardio Thread [Re: Cheesegoggles]
Sirbeefhead Sirbeefhead Clearly Stealing Corporate IP Post Master Supreme Registered: 06/05/02 Posts: 45018 Loc: Massachusetts	Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH bah...one more day of not running won't hurt i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time? I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA How does that do holding a signal. We got my wife an older model a while back and it was horrible. But the Garmin Edge I have for my bike has been great for four or five years now. I've never had a problem, but I mostly run where there are few obstacles (buildings, dense tree cover, etc.).
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