2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/23/08 10:02 PM
Running/Cardio Thread

Well, after you all know, after taking 4 days off, I turned around and ran my best 1.64 mile time, in a total of 16:43 and shaving off 1:03 in the process. I thought to ease back into things and do the best for my legs so since then Ive taken two night off, and Ill be back at it tomorrow. Can't wait!

-Matt


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
07/23/08 10:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i am still running at least 10 minutes after lifting, what should my heart rate be?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/08 09:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tonight Im going to go for 2-2.5 I think. We'll see how my legs hold up!

-Matt


Nephilim
(Post Master Sr)
07/24/08 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
i am still running at least 10 minutes after lifting, what should my heart rate be?


the higher the better, but dont pass out. thats why many recommend running whith speed intervals hard out for like two mintues then walk for one and so on


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/08 09:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Well, after you all know, after taking 4 days off, I turned around and ran my best 1.64 mile time, in a total of 16:43 and shaving off 1:03 in the process. I thought to ease back into things and do the best for my legs so since then Ive taken two night off, and Ill be back at it tomorrow. Can't wait!

-Matt


I took that 16:43 and said SHOVE IT! I ran the 1.64 mile loop in an awesome (for me) 15:30. I know Ive been seeing 1:00+ time improvements, but that is going to be slowing down now after this time. Ill still be able to improve, but not nearly as fast. I didn't walk near as much and I even threw in a ~40 yd uphill sprint. Im SO pumped!

-Matt


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/08 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i think one day i will pick an evening after work and strictly run outside. i can last 20 minutes on a threadmill but after that, i just want to stop and leave.

i wonder if i run outside on the street would give me less distraction after 20+ minutes?


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/08 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im sure it will. I despise doing stationary cardio work. It just gets so boring to me but I have no problem running/cycling/walking outside for any length of time.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
07/28/08 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^+1, unless there is a really good game on TV at the gym

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/08 06:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 1.6 miles last night in a hair of 19:00. I kept feeling like I was going to poo all over myself so Id have to stop and squeeze the cheeks together. Pair that with my hamstring being a bit sore from softball where I reaggravated an existing injury and I was able to run as well. \:\( Overall though my shin pain is just about completely gone!

-matt


navyblue2000
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/08 09:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

made about a mile loop last night, running for the first time. didn't time myself, but I was fairly beat.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/08 10:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work man! Keep it up and youll see that time slide real fast for your first bit. It does plateau after awhile obviously. \:\)

-Matt


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/08 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hit 2 miles on the treadmill at a relaxed pace (~10 mile miles). First time I've done any sort of cardio in months...been slacking off badly in that dept lately.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/08 10:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For a beginner, a 10:00 pace isn't bad at all. That's what Im hovering around right now myself.

-Matt


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/08 04:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
For a beginner, a 10:00 pace isn't bad at all. That's what Im hovering around right now myself.

-Matt


Well, not really a beginner per se. I've played sports since I was a wee one (soccer) so I've built up a bit of endurance and seem to keep some of it even if I don't run regularly.

BTW, knocked out 3 miles today at the same pace.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/08 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ah, good point.

I ran my 1.65 mile loop tonight in 17:03. A bit slower but as soon as I started my calfs began to cramp and it was soooo humid out so it made breathing a bit more labor intensive. I was really disappointed with the time but Im not going to let it get me down. Just have to go out and do better next time. \:\) Also, Ive lost ~6 lbs in 3 weeks so Im excited about that!

-Matt


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/08 07:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Now my legs are sore!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/08 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3 miles is a hefty run for someone starting back up imo. Get some ice and ibuprofen and youll be good to go.

-matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
08/01/08 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterday during Muay Thai we played a lil soccer game with a old school medocine ball. then the normal class followed by BJJ, I was tired as shit yesterday. I'd like to get some good biking or some other cardio in on Saturday.

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
08/02/08 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

this morning i did one of those martial arts cardio class, afterward i hopped onto the StairMaster machine to do another 15 minutes of Speed Interval.

Sweated like a bucket


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/08 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Havent run in 4 days and it's killing me. Hamstring has been acting up real bad lately and more often than it was. \:\( Gonna try for a run tonight I think, depending on how Im feeling.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/08 08:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just ran for the second time in 3 days. 1 mile at a high school track on the first day and 9 laps around the perimeter of a baseball field today which I'm guessing is close to 2 miles. And 6 sprints, fuck am I slow! 180lbs.

160 by Christmas or I wil call Euphoric my daddy!

and Matt keep up the good work! I was 187 3 weeks ago and have dropped 6 too.) perhaps we can have a little competition?


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
08/04/08 10:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good work Deuce!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 06:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Depending what the doc says tomorrow about my leg Im game. \:\)

-Matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 10:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Raced this weekend, "night" (7pm) race in 95 degree heat.

http://www.strictlyrunning.com/results/08Hot.txt
http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/6436317

BLITZED my old PR - time was 20:44. My splits were 6:15 (!!!), 6:38 (!!), and 6:52 (boo). I think that on a cooler day I could have done 3 of the 6:15... looking forward to the fall! My stretch goal is to drop under 20 minutes by the end of the year, which would make me a very fast casual runner or a very slow serious runner.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, outstanding! You're ~10-12 minutes faster than me for a 5k.

-Matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I can VIVIDLY remember running 30 minutes in a 5k (not a race, but at race effort). That was about a year ago, FWIW...

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 02:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow. Whatd you weigh then vs. now?

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

93* and thunderstorms, sounds like time to run \:\) aand you better get healthy soon matt or im going to put some distance on you in our comp!

and micah dizzzamn on the great times. i havent ran a 5k that fast since i ran cross country in hs. impressive!


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 06:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 1.5 at the high school track at what i would consider 9/10ths pace for me right now. quite the battle with the heat and humidity, but the challenge is half the fun \:\)

Blitzkriegzx2
(Post Master Supreme)
08/05/08 11:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All my runs are exactly 18 min in length. I do this because thats 3 rounds plus the minute rest for me. My farthest is 2.89 miles. I will be breaking 3 miles in under 18 min before the end of august. After this I lift and then I do 3 5 min rounds of plios. Legs, core, upper I mix up the order. This is my light day too.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
08/06/08 08:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I weighed about 180 then and about 150 now. I'm still the heaviest guy running my kind of times in races - the guys that are finishing around me are all super lean six pack types. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing

I've been a little lucky. With my frame I never would have guessed I could be a quick runner but I think I'll be in the 19 minute range - and definitely under 20 - before it's all said and done.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
08/06/08 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

right now I'm just using my training days as cardio, but since I hurt my groin and hip, I'm going to have to cut down on some stuff til it's better

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/06/08 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
ran 1.5 at the high school track at what i would consider 9/10ths pace for me right now. quite the battle with the heat and humidity, but the challenge is half the fun \:\)


Mild pulled hammy. Just need stretches and anti-inflammatory so Im good to go. Did 1.64 last night in 16:24. Not my fastest (now I have NO idea where I pulled that 15:30 out of).

-Matt


00OldSi
(Sr Member)
08/06/08 03:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good god man...under 20mins is GREAT times for any 5k run.
I've crosstraining and kickboxing over 15years now. And I can say my best time is right between 20-22mins. anything under 18mins is just awesome imo.


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/06/08 09:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome 5k time man. How long have you been running? Going under 20 would be a great accomplishment.

I started training a little more than a month ago for a 5k coming up at the end of the month. While training the fastest 5k I've ran is 23.10, I hope to take it under 22 for the race.


Blitzkriegzx2
(Post Master Supreme)
08/06/08 11:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes well if I am not in shape then people get to hit me really hard and I dont get paid as much money. So I make my ass be in shape. No questions asked. Truth be told I think my cardio is kinda poop right now.

00OldSi
(Sr Member)
08/07/08 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
Awesome 5k time man. How long have you been running? Going under 20 would be a great accomplishment.

I started training a little more than a month ago for a 5k coming up at the end of the month. While training the fastest 5k I've ran is 23.10, I hope to take it under 22 for the race.


My workouts over 15 years; I used to jog after my sparring sessions. So i really never focus on running for good times until this past year. Sad to say...I feel 10000x stronger at my age than I did 10yrs ago.


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/08 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my cardio for this week is poop, haven't have time to do anything after lifting \:\(

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/08 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Well, after you all know, after taking 4 days off, I turned around and ran my best 1.64 mile time, in a total of 16:43 and shaving off 1:03 in the process. I thought to ease back into things and do the best for my legs so since then Ive taken two night off, and Ill be back at it tomorrow. Can't wait!

-Matt


I took that 16:43 and said SHOVE IT! I ran the 1.64 mile loop in an awesome (for me) 15:30. I know Ive been seeing 1:00+ time improvements, but that is going to be slowing down now after this time. Ill still be able to improve, but not nearly as fast. I didn't walk near as much and I even threw in a ~40 yd uphill sprint. Im SO pumped!

-Matt


15:30 say bye-bye. Clocked out a 15:05 tonight. It was just "one of those runs". It begin with a warm evening, then a thunderstorm popped up out of nowhere and I got 100% soaked all the while running faster and faster like someone was just pushing me to go faster than I have before. Everything just clicked. I know its slow for some of you guys, but considering my first run this summer was an 11:30 minute mile (thats so embarrassing), Ill take a 15:05 1.7 miles any day of the week! I might go out and run a mile tomorrow just for time sakes. Gosh Im stoked!

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/07/08 09:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 6 miles this morning in a 7.51/mile pace. It was hot as shit this morning too, I'm going to have to start waking up earlier. I've got another 3 in the morning.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/08 09:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, Id love to be able to run with that pace...

-Matt


00OldSi
(Sr Member)
08/08/08 10:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man...anything under 8min mile pace is healthy for your heart!

Great thread...too bad not many take care of themself.!


Sharkticon
(Post Master Supreme)
08/08/08 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm up to 1 hour of cardio a night. Either 30 and 30 on the Treadclimber and elliptical or 20/20/20 and throw the treadmill or bike in.

I am without my weight vest for the next 30 days though. I kind of miss it during my cardio but it has helped me achieve much more endurance in doing my cardio.

I'll throw in some weight training here and there.


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/08/08 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back from my run a little bit ago. I ended up running 3.2 miles in 23.30 or a 7.20/mile pace.

You can check out all of my runs at here. This site is great to use with Nike+ it gives much more accurate graphs of your charts.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/08 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just knocked off a 7:12 mile in 98* heat in my first week back

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/08 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, good work man! That's great!

-Mat


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
08/10/08 02:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
just knocked off a 1:7:12 mile in 98* heat in my first week back

FIXED!!!!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/08 07:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtydante
 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
just knocked off a 1:7:12 mile in 98* heat in my first week back

FIXED!!!!




Im about to go running. Ate not too long ago, so I dont know if Im going to be able to grab a new PR for me. We'll see. I have a rumblin' tummy too, this can't be good....

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/08 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Well, after you all know, after taking 4 days off, I turned around and ran my best 1.64 mile time, in a total of 16:43 and shaving off 1:03 in the process. I thought to ease back into things and do the best for my legs so since then Ive taken two night off, and Ill be back at it tomorrow. Can't wait!

-Matt


I took that 16:43 and said SHOVE IT! I ran the 1.64 mile loop in an awesome (for me) 15:30. I know Ive been seeing 1:00+ time improvements, but that is going to be slowing down now after this time. Ill still be able to improve, but not nearly as fast. I didn't walk near as much and I even threw in a ~40 yd uphill sprint. Im SO pumped!

-Matt


15:30 say bye-bye. Clocked out a 15:05 tonight. It was just "one of those runs". It begin with a warm evening, then a thunderstorm popped up out of nowhere and I got 100% soaked all the while running faster and faster like someone was just pushing me to go faster than I have before. Everything just clicked. I know its slow for some of you guys, but considering my first run this summer was an 11:30 minute mile (thats so embarrassing), Ill take a 15:05 1.7 miles any day of the week! I might go out and run a mile tomorrow just for time sakes. Gosh Im stoked!

-Matt


Same loop, 15:13. Im happ with this although I was REALLY wanting to break into the 14's. I had a real greasy pizza for dinner about an hour or so beforehand, so considering that Im pleased with my time. I got home and I realized for the first time that I really wasn't all that winded/tired. What a great feeling! How long should I go before upping my distance? It's been about ~3 weeks now with the same distance.

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/11/08 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd say go ahead and up the distance next time you run. If you finished without being winded go ahead and add maybe .5 miles or a little more.

Just got back from running 9.42 miles in a 8.12 pace. I'm a little disappointed in the time, I wanted to dip below the 8.00 pace, but maybe next time.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/08 12:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jesus, Id die after that many miles. Good work.

-Matt


Relix
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/08 12:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just owned the 75 minute spin class, those bitches don't know what a real bike ride is like...

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/08 09:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Same route in 15:06. I was 1.14 seconds behind my best time, GAH! Good run though considering I didnt have Aleve in my system and my shins were a bit sore. Beautiful night to run though. \:\)

-Matt


FireInTheWhole
(Post Master Supreme)
08/14/08 06:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn, some of you cats are in good shape.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/14/08 08:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know you aren't referencing me.

In other news, I went out running today after hardly eating anything at all. 1 mile in 9:33. My most recent 1.65 mile pace time was faster. \:\(

-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
08/15/08 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I run 2 miles (@ 7mph) before lifting and run 2 miles (@ 7mph) after lifting. Those last 3-4 minutes on the post lifting run are hell

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/15/08 06:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not too bad.

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/16/08 07:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I took a few days off this week and it actually made my times better. My first run with taking a few days break was 6.7 miles with a 7.48 pace and then tonight I only ran 2.75 miles with a 7.06 pace. I think I could have finished a 5k in the pace I was going tonight. Hopefully I can keep that pace on Aug 30 for my actual 5k.

FireInTheWhole
(Post Master Supreme)
08/18/08 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, I ran for the first time today in a LONG TIME. I ran 1.5 miles after doing my leg routine and it felt great. Tomorrow I'm going for 2 miles and getting the wife to come along.

LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
08/19/08 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ever since I upped my cardio to 4 miles jogging a day (originally was 2), I wake up in the morning and can literally hear my knees snapping when I bend/stretch them the first few times Thats normal right?

They don't necessarily hurt or anything (a bit sore at times, but thats normal after running).


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/19/08 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.2 miles in 48 minutes, not bad for running in chucks with no socks after about 4 beers heading home from a friends \:\)

only about 3 blisters to show for it.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/08 08:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

here's my mileage thus far for this week:

sat - 6am - 6miles
7pm - 4miles
sun - 7pm - 2miles
mon - 4am - 4miles
tue - 5pm - 6miles

today i may shoot for 4 if i am feeling it


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/08 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, that's impressive.

Today I went running for the first time in 4 days (my longest break since mid-June when I began) and ran non-stop for 9:14 which is real good for me. I dont know the exact distance, but I estimate it to be ~1.2 miles or so. It felt SOOOO good to go back out and run again...

-Matt


A_MantisAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/08 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm off to the gym for a 45min. session on the treadmill. brb

A S D
(Sr Member)
08/20/08 08:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 2 miles in 13.54 tonight. I was pretty happy with that.

Tomorrow I've got 5 and I'm going to try to break a 7.45/mile pace


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/08 11:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i am finally adding the running after lifting starting this week. I ran for 20 minutes on the treadmills for 20 minutes at a pretty high speed the first 8 minutes then slowed down a little for a bit then turned it up again.

i sweated like a mofo


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/08 07:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Dang, that's impressive.

Today I went running for the first time in 4 days (my longest break since mid-June when I began) and ran non-stop for 9:14 which is real good for me. I dont know the exact distance, but I estimate it to be ~1.2 miles or so. It felt SOOOO good to go back out and run again...

-Matt


add four more miles to that.

ran them shits after a somewhat lengthly discussion that i knew i couldnt fall asleep from


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/08 07:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Id love to get up to the 4-5 mile range...

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/21/08 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back a while ago and wouldn't you fucking know it I missed my goal by only a few seconds. I ran 5.1 miles with a 7.46 pace when I wanted a 7.45. I know its only a few seconds but it was just a goal I wanted to meet for the day.

LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/08 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cardio kills my inner child, that is all.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/08 09:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the past 3 days for all shorter distances (1 mile, .5 mile, 1.5 miles) and now my left shin is real sore. I might take a day or two off and see how it goes but I just hate ALWAYS getting hurt no matter what I do. Heck, I tore my PCL just standing up from sitting indian style. \:\(

-Matt


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/08 09:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did a HIIT routine on the treadmill Saturday:

2 minutes @ speed 6.
1 minute @ speed 10.
2 minutes @ 6.
1 minute @ 10.
2 minutes @ 6.
1 minute @ 10.
2 minutes @6.
1 minute @ 10.
2 minutes @6.
========
Total time was 14 minutes and total distance was 1.82 miles. Good for an average pace of 7:39/mile.

I'm going to do the same routine again tonight, and eventually I'll start adding onto it.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/08 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

for the past 9 weeks or so I've been following the plan outlined in this book to get my ass off the couch and into better shape: Non Runner's Marathon Trainer. The book is supposed to take you from any fitness level to a marathoner in 28 weeks (or just 18 weeks if you're already able to run 30 min straight).

I'm not going to run a marathon anytime soon, but I am signed up for my first ever road race in October. It's a 5k, but you gotta start somewhere.

This week I am beginning the first of the 30 min runs. Last week was 25 minutes then 5 minutes fast paced walking.

I feel better than I have since I was in highschool, and last weekend I had to go pants shopping. I was 6' 235lbs in a size 38, now about 9 weeks later I'm 220lbs in a size 36 pant. My ultimate goal is go get under 200lbs, and if I do that it I will weigh less now at 31 than I did in high school.

can't wait!


FireInTheWhole
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/08 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
for the past 9 weeks or so I've been following the plan outlined in this book to get my ass off the couch and into better shape: Non Runner's Marathon Trainer. The book is supposed to take you from any fitness level to a marathoner in 28 weeks (or just 18 weeks if you're already able to run 30 min straight).

I'm not going to run a marathon anytime soon, but I am signed up for my first ever road race in October. It's a 5k, but you gotta start somewhere.

This week I am beginning the first of the 30 min runs. Last week was 25 minutes then 5 minutes fast paced walking.

I feel better than I have since I was in highschool, and last weekend I had to go pants shopping. I was 6' 235lbs in a size 38, now about 9 weeks later I'm 200lbs in a size 36 pant. My ultimate goal is go get under 200lbs, and if I do that it I will weigh less now at 31 than I did in high school.

can't wait!



Cool, I just read about that in some magazine. Looks like a good program.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/08 04:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
for the past 9 weeks or so I've been following the plan outlined in this book to get my ass off the couch and into better shape: Non Runner's Marathon Trainer. The book is supposed to take you from any fitness level to a marathoner in 28 weeks (or just 18 weeks if you're already able to run 30 min straight).

I'm not going to run a marathon anytime soon, but I am signed up for my first ever road race in October. It's a 5k, but you gotta start somewhere.

This week I am beginning the first of the 30 min runs. Last week was 25 minutes then 5 minutes fast paced walking.

I feel better than I have since I was in highschool, and last weekend I had to go pants shopping. I was 6' 235lbs in a size 38, now about 9 weeks later I'm 220lbs in a size 36 pant. My ultimate goal is go get under 200lbs, and if I do that it I will weigh less now at 31 than I did in high school.

can't wait!


Congrats man, thats awesome. Id be 100% stoked to have seen those results!

I just got back from a VERY hilly run in the cold and rain. Im not sure on distance, and Google earth doesn't zoom in far enough for me to map it, but Im estimating 1.2-1.5 miles and I ran it in 13:55. Not good by any means, but not awful (for me) either.

How long should I wait to add distance, and how much distance should I add?

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/27/08 09:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud



How long should I wait to add distance, and how much distance should I add?

-Matt


It seems like you could go ahead and add some distance. You have a pretty decent pace and if you aren't almost dead after your runs I would say jump up to about 2 miles.


normaspirated
(Post Master Supreme)
08/27/08 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My cardio routine looks complicated on paper, but easy to remember when you do the workout:

Weight: 170 lbs + 18 lbs of dead weight (weighted vest, wrist weights )
5% incline the whole way

00:00 to 10:10 @ 6.0 mph
10:10 to 14:50 @ 4.5 mph
14:50 to 20:10 @ 6.0 mph
20:10 to 24:50 @ 4.5 mph
24:50 to 30:10 @ 6.0 mph
30:10 to 34:50 @ 4.5 mph
34:50 to 45:10 @ 6.0 mph

I usually run this 4-5 times a week.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/27/08 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud



How long should I wait to add distance, and how much distance should I add?

-Matt


It seems like you could go ahead and add some distance. You have a pretty decent pace and if you aren't almost dead after your runs I would say jump up to about 2 miles.


Good deal, Ill do it. \:\)

-Matt


Blitzkriegzx2
(Post Master Supreme)
08/27/08 10:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterday I did treadmil sprints

1-14 min was 30 seconds on 10 off then the final minute was straight go all at 12 mph.

Then I did this incline workout thing and at one point was running at a 30 degree incline at 6 mph let me tell you that sucked some nuts.


madmatt
(Post Master Supreme)
08/27/08 10:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:\( I need to start running again. Its just so damn boring running at the gym, on an elliptical, or around the track.

A S D
(Sr Member)
08/28/08 09:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: madmatt
:( I need to start running again. Its just so damn boring running at the gym, on an elliptical, or around the track.


Run through the neighborhood or somewhere similar. I find running around a track to be hell, but now that I run on the road I can run forever.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/08 06:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
 Originally Posted By: madmatt
:( I need to start running again. Its just so damn boring running at the gym, on an elliptical, or around the track.


Run through the neighborhood or somewhere similar. I find running around a track to be hell, but now that I run on the road I can run forever.


SOOOO important. Running and not seeing new scenery, I find myself getting dog tired before I even finish a mile. \:\(


Went and ran ~2 miles today and unfortunately I cannot find out the exact distance since Google Earth doesnt zoom in far enough to find out. I ran for 19:12 total and I felt VERY good afterwards and found myself asking if the others wanted to take another lap. This puts me at 29.9 miles since I first began, woot!

-Matt


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/29/08 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud


Congrats man, thats awesome. Id be 100% stoked to have seen those results!


Thanks man! As of today's weigh in (10 week mark) I am down to ~217 - lost 18lbs since I started! And the new pants I bought already feel looser!!

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud



How long should I wait to add distance, and how much distance should I add?

-Matt


I've read that a good rule of thumb is no more than a 10% increase in distance (or time) per week. That seems like it only really applies to when you're running around 5miles at a time or more though.

The book I've been following had an approach that went like this for the runs (it started with about 3 weeks of walking fast):

Run 5 minutes, walk 5 minutes, repeat two times - 3x a week
Run 10 minutes, walk 5 minutes, repeat once - 3x a week
Run 15 minutes, walk 5 minutes, repeat once - 3x a week
Run 20 minutes, walk 5 minutes, repeat once - 3x a week
Run 25 minutes, walk 5 minutes (no repeat) - 4x a week
Run 30 minutes, walk 5 minutes (no repeat) - 4x a week

Then it switches to where you're in a mode like this:
Monday: run 3 miles
Wednesday: run 4 miles
Thursday: run 3 miles
Saturday: run 5 miles

and as you go week to week the distances increase slowly - always with a longer run on Saturdays.

At that point then you start to increase your overall weekly mileage.

I started this whole thing out 10 weeks ago and could not run for 5 minutes straight. last night I ran for 3 MILES!! I know it sounds like not that much, but for me it's huge. And I feel like this is part of my routine now whereas before I always felt obligated to exercise. Now I get bummed out if I have to miss a run!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/30/08 08:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im the same way with getting bummed if I miss a run. And man, once again, Id be stoked if I ran for 3 miles. Those of us beginning can certainly appreciate your progress.

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
08/30/08 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back home from running my first 5k in an actual race. I finished 43rd overall out of maybe 500 and 2nd in my age group. I got a nice little paper weight/trophy thing. I finished in 22.21. I really finished like 4th in my age group but two people finished in the top 10 so they were given cash prizes instead of the trophy. Im really happy overall, I think I could have went a little faster, but oh well. My pace for the race was like 7.12 a mile.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/30/08 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great work! My first 5k is on Oct. 11th and Im shooting for a sub-30 minute mark.

-Matt


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/31/08 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
Just got back home from running my first 5k in an actual race. I finished 43rd overall out of maybe 500 and 2nd in my age group.



That's awesome! Just finishing a race is an accomplishment in my book - and to finish that high in the pack is really great!

My first race is coming up October 19th. I don't really have a time goal in mind, I just want to finish! I've been running solo this whole time so it'll be interesting to see if I'm motivated to move any faster when I'm running in a group.


volty
(Post Master Jr)
08/31/08 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you ever want to plan a run and know how far you'll be going, or look afterwards, try http://www.walkjogrun.net . It lets you plan out a run and stuff.

If you're into cycling like I am, the best one I've found so far is http://www.mapmyride.com . Same thing as above, but caters a bit more to bikes (does elevation and stuff). The only problem is to get directions, you have to pay money, so I just write the directions on my forearm with a pen lol ghetto.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
08/31/08 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very cool sites! I just run into the same problem that I do with Google Earth with where I go to school. Since it's more or less in the middle of nowhere, Google Earth doesnt zoom in far enough for me to be able to map my run. \:\( I ran for 21:35 the other day and it said it was only .8 miles. I mean, Im not fast, but come on...

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/08 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How long were you guys running before you ran everyday for 3-5 miles per run? I still run ~every other day, for not even two miles and feel like I should be doing more. Im not losing weight as I had hoped, and Im eating MUCH better than I was. Whats the dealio?

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/08 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just ran/walked for 25:10 and it's ~90-95* here and I am beat! I could only run in 2-3 minute spurts before I would have to walk. It seems like Im doing worse than I was before. \:\( Although, I think a lot of that can be attributed to the terrain. Down here at school, Im running in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains, and in Cincinnati it's 110% flat, so Im sure that makes an honest difference. I just want to be able to run for 15 minutes without stopping. Gosh Im out of shape. \:\( Someone come buy me a beer.

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
09/02/08 03:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I ran for a few weeks before I went for 5 miles, but I was also in pretty good shape from other things. If you feel like you could be doing more, you should do it. If you aren't loosing the lbs like you would like pick up the distance. Also maybe on the day you are taking off go out and work on some sprints, maybe sprint 100 meters, walk 50, sprint 100, etc. IIRC high intensity runs, like sprinting, burn more calories than only running.

If you still want those days off run in intervals. During your regular run pick up the pace to about 75-85 percent for a quarter mile then back down to regular pace. That should burn more calories than just running, and it will also help with your conditioning and being able in increase the mileage.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/08 07:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cool, thanks!


-Matt


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/03/08 09:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Im not losing weight as I had hoped, and Im eating MUCH better than I was. Whats the dealio?

-Matt



Just don't get discouraged. You should not be doing any better than around 1-2lb loss of weight per week ON AVERAGE. I have weeks where according to my scale I've only lost half a pound, then the next week I'll lose 3. If you're doing it right you're not going to always see a constant loss of weight week to week.

You have to figure that in order to lose 1 lb of fat you need to cut your weekly caloric intake by about 3500 calories. So, if you normally eat a 2000 calorie per day diet, you'll need to trim down to about 1500 calories per day to lose that pound in a week. Trimming 500 calories can be most easily done by diet, but you can also help by adding more aerobic exercises. If you're not down with just running try jumping rope, or like someone mentioned try sprinting or other movement exercises that keep your heart rate up.

and also don't get discouraged that running 15 minutes straight makes you winded and exhausted. When I first started out getting into this exercise thing I couldn't run 3 minutes without feeling like I had to puke. 10 weeks later and I'm running 30 minutes straight! It just takes time.

think of it this way. Since I graduated high school I've put on 30lbs. I put that weight on over the course of about 13 years. That's a long, slow gain. It's foolish to think you can reverse that in just a matter of a couple of weeks (healthily) - that's a recipe for failure. It's going to take a while, but the results are going to be so rewarding that you'll look back at the time you spent getting into better shape and realize it's totally worth while.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/03/08 06:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for the post man, picked me up a bit. \:\)

-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
09/03/08 11:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stepped up my cardio today from 4 miles to 5 miles.

3 miles
30 minutes rest
2 miles

Why? Well, since I'm not lifting for a week to recover from pain in my hand and left shoulder, I figured I'd step up my cardio to make up for it. Made me contemplate the idea of running a marathon someday. All 5 miles were ran @ 7mph. last 2 minutes were ran @ 8mph. I still felt like I could keep on going, but don't want to push myself too fast since my knees are hating me right now.

Whats the longest distance you guys run on a normal basis?


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
09/03/08 11:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
How long were you guys running before you ran everyday for 3-5 miles per run? I still run ~every other day, for not even two miles and feel like I should be doing more. Im not losing weight as I had hoped, and Im eating MUCH better than I was. Whats the dealio?

-Matt


Just to give you an idea, I started running/lifting in May. Thats 4 months ago.

At the time, I was barely able to finish running a mile without feeling like dying. Fast forward to today, I'm running 4-5 miles, 5 days a week. Just get some good music in your ipod, blast it up and run, before you know it time will fly. I find that not being able to hear my footsteps (by blasting up the music in my ipod loud) helps a lot, I don't know why, just a mental thing.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/08 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 2.1 miles last night in 25:10 or so. Im going to do the same run today and see how I do. It's a lot cooler and more overcast today, so Im not as worried about the weather adversely affecting me. I NEED to get it to right around 20 minutes.

-Matt


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/08 03:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Matt - for right now you probably should'nt focus on improving time over distance, because if you run 3 miles but it takes you 35 minutes you'll be bummed out and miss the great fact that you RAN 3 MILES!!

setting time goals right now isn't such a great idea. just keep increasing the distance, and when you can comfortably run 5 miles straight without a break then work on increasing your speed.

don't set yourself up to be let down - it's a huge demotivator


A S D
(Sr Member)
09/05/08 08:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished running 5 miles in 39 minutes on a pretty hilly route. I was pretty much dead after I finished. Good thing I am taking tomorrow and sunday off

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/08 09:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
Matt - for right now you probably should'nt focus on improving time over distance, because if you run 3 miles but it takes you 35 minutes you'll be bummed out and miss the great fact that you RAN 3 MILES!!

setting time goals right now isn't such a great idea. just keep increasing the distance, and when you can comfortably run 5 miles straight without a break then work on increasing your speed.

don't set yourself up to be let down - it's a huge demotivator


Good thinking. \:\) From here on out, Ill just go out and run without a time stipulation.

-Matt


240sx805
(Post Master Supreme)
09/07/08 10:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i ran for an hour today! \:o had to be like 5-6 miles

i havent ran in forever and i have been swimming at the beach in between bodyboarding. i ran like it was nothing. i wasnt going a haul ass pace or anything but i kept moving no problem
i was impressed, and then late for work

i usually do my 3 mile in 23:30, not bad for a 6 foot 225lbs guy.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/07/08 11:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, impressive for your build. Good work!

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/09/08 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 2.1 miles on a VERY hilly route in 24:00. Much slower than I want, but with the hills I was running on, Im not too bummed. Woot!

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/09/08 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 2.3 miles today in 24:40. Slightly different route than the above run. My roommate (who's in much better shape than I) has offered to run with me which has really picked me up since Im not as apt to stop and walk. If we keep this up, Im fairly certain Ill be able to get the sub-30 min 5k time Im striving for. Tomorrow is a rest day since Ive run 4+ miles the past two days (total). Im excited!

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/09/08 08:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got done playing 2 hours of hardcore basketball. Id say all in all I ran 4-5 miles today. It was such a good feeling because I finally felt like I wasn't winded or completely dead during the games. Running has helped me out so much!

-Matt


240sx805
(Post Master Supreme)
09/10/08 02:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

basketball is great for your run times, its basically doing sprints back and forth

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/10/08 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No kidding. The first game was a bit mellow, but towards the end it got very intense. The second game was with the black guys who are RUNNERS and dang, I got worn out but tried to play with them.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/18/08 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Been running on and off due to my injury. Im trying to not let it keep me sidelined, but ugh...so frustrating. 3 weeks from Saturday is my 5k.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/18/08 08:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Been running on and off due to my injury. Im trying to not let it keep me sidelined, but ugh...so frustrating. 3 weeks from Saturday is my 5k.

-Matt


Have you tried biking or something? That can help you train, but keep you from making the injury worse while it heals.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/18/08 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Actually, not since I got hurt. Didn't even cross my mind, thanks man.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/08 01:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Actually, not since I got hurt. Didn't even cross my mind, thanks man.

-Matt


NP. Swimming can help, as well.


Relix
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/08 04:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stairmaster 3 hours this week(3 One hour session)
Real bike bike ride 40 miles in just under 3 hours( one ride)
Tomorrow is a rest day, Saturday will be 60 minutes on the eliptical
Sunday is for football watching!


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/08 10:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i ran outside for the first time today and the first time running since decemeber. my back always hurt running on a treadmill, but running outside was great no pain.
i ran with the girlfriend and her friend. Her friend lasted 2min gave up and went home lol, i lasted 10-11minutes before i had to walk, and told her to loop around and catch me on the way back lol. Then ran 5-6 more minutes on the way back.
she is doing a 10k on sunday, thank god i didn't open my big dumb mouth and offer to do that with her haha.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/08 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10-11 minutes non-stop ain't half bad.

-Matt


AMGSiR
(Post Master Sr)
09/22/08 12:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fatass running since beginning of last week. Gay.

I picked up some new Nike's and the Nike+ kit as incentive to lose some lbs. Started listening to their training program, that lasted 3 days. Now i just go how i feel. Lots of run/walk/run/walk stuff. I ran/walked 5kms in 32 minutes on thursday. I didn't go friday or saturday, went tonight but kept it short since the weather was shit and it was 10pm. 2kms in 12 minutes. I'm running more than walking, which is good.

The bad, my back fucking hurts like hell. I have the enjoyment of having a pair of compressed vertibre up just below my should blades. Who'd of thought running would aggrivate it this much? I'm going to try and push through it and see what happens.

Anyways, just thought i'd Chime in. Anyone else running with the Nike+. We should start a Team. Some motivation for us fatter folk.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
09/22/08 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
10-11 minutes non-stop ain't half bad.

-Matt


really? hmm alright thats good to know \:D

 Originally Posted By: AMGSiR


The bad, my back fucking hurts like hell. I have the enjoyment of having a pair of compressed vertibre up just below my should blades. Who'd of thought running would aggrivate it this much? I'm going to try and push through it and see what happens.

Anyways, just thought i'd Chime in. Anyone else running with the Nike+. We should start a Team. Some motivation for us fatter folk.




If you back hurts like hell, STOP dude. I made that mistake of pushing through and my back hurt for months.
I didn;t go to the doctor but i probably should have, luckily everything is fine now, but i really should have just stopped.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
09/22/08 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

probably shouldve bought some proper running shoes...especially for a beginner...something with arch support..im sure the nikes you bought dont have any...

A S D
(Sr Member)
09/22/08 05:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got back out on the road this morning after taking about 2 weeks off. I ran about 3.5 miles in a 7:43/mile pace. I have been running nothing but hills since I moved back in with my parents, but I am moving into a new apartment this weekend with nothing but flat streets around. I would expect to see a drop in my pace in the next few weeks since I wont have to run hills anymore.

26 days till my last 5k for the year and 41 till my half marathon. I am finished for the season after that, swimming until about April


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/08 08:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 2.3 last night and felt ok. I didnt eat a lot during the day, or drink my needed water, so I was dragging a bit and ended up walking a fair amount. Overall though, it was nice to be back out on the road. I kept my strides shorter and my hamstring felt alright because of it. Today I think Im gonna go on a bike ride...

-Matt


alex053
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/08 09:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Quick cardio and heart rate question.

fat loss is my main goal. Im not training to run a marathon or anything. Should i just be busting my ass on the treadmill at the fastest pace i can handle or should i be more worried about heart rate? i always hear about the "fat burn zone" and "cardio zone" based on percentage of heart rate. does this hold water or should i be working harder to burn more calories??


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/08 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: alex054
Quick cardio and heart rate question.

fat loss is my main goal. Im not training to run a marathon or anything. Should i just be busting my ass on the treadmill at the fastest pace i can handle or should i be more worried about heart rate? i always hear about the "fat burn zone" and "cardio zone" based on percentage of heart rate. does this hold water or should i be working harder to burn more calories??


Ever see a fat sprinter? Cardio zone works for fat burning too. I prefer to keep indoor workouts short so I'd go faster. Just my opinion.



Non related... I ran 16 miles straight Saturday and did 13.1 miles of it in 1 hour 54 minutes (goal is 1h45m). I have my first half marathon October 18th and have been preparing since the spring. I run 5 miles 3 or 4 times a week plus a long run on Saturdays. I'm peaking at 16 then should probably taper off in the next few weeks.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/08 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's....impressive. Good work on training man, Id like to be able to run a 1/2 someday.

-Matt


alex053
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/08 06:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wow. thats very impressive. ill just keep plugging away trying to get 2 miles without stopping.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/24/08 08:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^That's about where Im at as well.

-Matt


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
09/25/08 09:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did another run tonight
did
5min run, 1min walk x 4
but i only made it to 4min on the last one. Was going to pack it in at the 3min mark, but managed to squeeze out another minute.

it;s odd, i can run outside with no back pain, but put me on a treadmill and my back hurts within 30s of running?????


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/25/08 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im near worthless on a treadmill. Running outside is SOOOO much better...

-Matt


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
09/26/08 08:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is it ever, i wish i did it before. stupid treadmill

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/26/08 09:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 1 mile non-stop yesterday in 8:27 and then walked 1/5 mile. I then ran a 1/5 as fast as I could (45 1:25) and walked a 1/10th x 5 for a total of two miles done running and then walked 3/10ths for cool down and stretched/situps/pushups for 25 minutes. \:\)

-Matt
btw, I absolutely LOATHE 1/10th mile tracks.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/26/08 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Small tracks blow. Trails are teh tits for long distance running.

Still, not bad, slowpoke ;\)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/26/08 05:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Silock
Still, not bad, slowpoke ;\)


;\)

It's a big improvement for me, that's for dang sure. Considering my first run ever back in the beginning of July was 11 minutes for .9 mile or so. 3 minutes in 3 months for such a short distance is good progress. Now my goal is to be able to run a 5k in under 30 (which I dont think is attainable for Oct 11th quite yet. I am however signed up for another 5k on November 16th, so that will give me AMPLE time to get my times down. Dare I say sub 28 minute mark by then? Wish you were closer, I could stand a good coach/motivator.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/26/08 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: Silock
Still, not bad, slowpoke ;\)


;\)

It's a big improvement for me, that's for dang sure. Considering my first run ever back in the beginning of July was 11 minutes for .9 mile or so. 3 minutes in 3 months for such a short distance is good progress. Now my goal is to be able to run a 5k in under 30 (which I dont think is attainable for Oct 11th quite yet. I am however signed up for another 5k on November 16th, so that will give me AMPLE time to get my times down. Dare I say sub 28 minute mark by then? Wish you were closer, I could stand a good coach/motivator.

-Matt


Dude, if you're busting out mid 8 miles, you should be able to do a 30 minute 5k. Just . . . don't slow down \:\)

I wish I had anyone on CSi near me that I could work out with. I mean, I enjoy going to the gym with my wife, but it just ain't the same as a real workout partner.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/08 09:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, I can bust out a mid 8-minute mile...once. I suppose if I did that and then walked for a hair over a minute and tried to do another mile I could make a sub-30. Just move to TN, you know Kansas is too boring anyways... ;\)

-Matt


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/08 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I made the "mistake" of running with my much more in shape boss today. LOL It was a slow day today for him so I told him I wanted to go 13.1 in 1h 45m and let him set the pace. I crapped out in the middle but still managed 1h 49m and then a much slower pace to round out the 16 in 2h 20m. I think I might be able to pull off 1h 45m by the time my half comes around woot! I promise you guys I'm nothing special when it comes to cardio I have just kept at it. Set goals, run races and try to get a running buddy. Makes it much easier.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/08 06:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My running buddy is my roommate whose mile time alone is 2 minutes faster than mine. \:\( Hes good about going my speed though, I just hate always being the slow one...

-Matt


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/08 07:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

im getting wreck in da pool. crazy workouts for sure. this should be a good season.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/08 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

didnt run for a month and ran a 7:20 mile last night at a local track. thought i ran faster than that, but i'll take it.

A S D
(Sr Member)
09/30/08 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've finally found time to run with the move and new job thing. Last night I ran 4 miles at a 7:25 pace. I was really happy with that. Hopefully on the 18th I can hit about 6:xx pace for my 5k.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/08 06:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i ran a 5k at some park in huntington in hs. all i remember is a huge hill and a lake. and getting dq'd for bumping someone into the lake.

edit i see youre in a different huntington, i was thinking CA.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/02/08 01:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hit the stair master for 20 mins last night... felt good

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 01:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i learned tuesday, that you don;t want to eat 7 slices of pizza a couple hours before running
didn;t barf but there was a couple close calls lol
"why are you not breathing?"
"do you wanna see what pizza looks like a ocuple hours after eating it?"


LeBron!=GOAT
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been hitting the treadmill for about 30 minutes every day at Lifetime, then playing basketball for 2 hours. I figure that gets enough cardio in

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 04:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol zc.
I made a huge mistake the other day. Had a retarded spicy veal sandwich. well it was a good 2 hrs before workout. i figured id be ok....nuh uh ... i almost puked and felt dizzy half way through. lol i had to stop for a few mins . it settled down a bit but started to creep back on me. not doing that again.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 07:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha, well we both learned a lesson lol
the cramp started on the left and moved to the right side, but i was able to push past it and managed to get 4 sets of 5min running, 1min walking so it was good \:D

Went to go to the gym tonight and it was closed \:\( broke water main. I think i am going to try to get up and go tommorow morning


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 10:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

saw impulsives thread in OT tonight and it got me off the computer and outdoors for a little 5k of my own \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/08 10:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What was your time?

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/08 06:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Didnt time it. I headed out the door thinking I would walk to the local high school and run laps, but as soon as I stepped outside I saw the lights at the football stadium were on so I just started running a course I had previously mapped out. huge hill right in the middle of the course, its murder!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 07:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's how my run is too. There are two separate ~200 step hills (yea, they're big) with a 10-12% grade if I had to guess. Running in the Smoky Mountains is ftw in scenery but holy hell if it wont wear you out. Id kill to run somewhere boring like Kansas. *poke* Haha

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 09:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whats the weather like out there right now? low is about 70 here at 6am or about 85 at 10pm when I like to run. highs were 97-ish until today with the storm moving in.

70 is perfect to run as far as im concerned.

oh and i signed up for the 10k turkey trot on 11/22. i feel like a pimp.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/04/08 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was 65 degrees when I went to the gym this morning at 7a. Good work on the running Deuce!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 05:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As soon as the sun goes down I'm running another 5k.

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 08:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
That's how my run is too. There are two separate ~200 step hills (yea, they're big) with a 10-12% grade if I had to guess. Running in the Smoky Mountains is ftw in scenery but holy hell if it wont wear you out. Id kill to run somewhere boring like Kansas. *poke* Haha

-Matt


I wish I lived in the flat part of Kansas. Our elevation changes certainly aren't mountain-esque, but it ain't flat, either \:\(


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, I had no idea. I thought it was all carved from corn.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/08 08:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
whats the weather like out there right now? low is about 70 here at 6am or about 85 at 10pm when I like to run. highs were 97-ish until today with the storm moving in.

70 is perfect to run as far as im concerned.

oh and i signed up for the 10k turkey trot on 11/22. i feel like a pimp.


High of 70-mid 80's with lows in the 40's. I cant wait to run when it's chilly. Shorts, long sleeve T, iPod, and Im good to go!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 02:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6 miles tonight

61* and a slight sprinkle ftw.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running in the rain is the best ever. What's your height and weight DWalk? I think I might try to go for a job today. Ive ate very poorly lately and my 5k is in 6 days. \:\(

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5'8' 170lbs.

Pretty happy with my weight for the first time since '04(I was 220 from '04-'06), I just need to keep leaning out.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, Im 6'4 238-240 or so. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to be 200-210 but that's a lot of work and strict diet. I wish I had someone close by to run with every single day and yea...

-matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how do you fit in that s2000? \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/08 08:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tightly; but I tell myself it's made for people like me.

-Matt


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/08 10:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

jeez that has to be a tight squeeze, i am 6ft 200ish and i don;t feel comfy in an S2k lol

more running tonight, we will see how long i last going to try for 5 x 5min run, 1 min walk


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/08 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After 8 days off I ran about 1.5 miles today in 11:33 or so. Im not sure of the exact distance, but it's a nice little trail (paved) with not much elevation change. Im pleased but need to up my distance again. Im tired of taking two steps forward and three back.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 05:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

look at you man, great time. sounds like you were well rested and must have felt well.

how often are you trying to run? i find that if i run more than 4 days a week I always get injured. BTW Vegas is mostly concrete and paved roads at this point so I'm always running on hard surfaces, so that may be the problem too.

I'm just running every 2nd or 3rd day right now and the recovery time seems just right for me.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 08:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

(That distance may not be 100% accurate. I was unsure but since I ran a mile in 8:22ish, I just threw something up there)

I TRY to run 3-4 times per week. Usually on Monday-Tuesday, rest on Wednesday, then run on Thursday, Rest, Saturday. Most of the time I dont get the Saturday run in, but we'll see. Ill be honest, IM sorta nervous about this 5k this weekend. Ive never run in a race and Im NOT a morning person. It's about 30 minutes away, and it's at 8am. Recipe for disaster...

-Matt

edit: Also, what part of you is it that gets tired first? I find after running for awhile it's my lungs before my legs. Now that Ive completely run through my shin splints I had back in June/July/August timeframe, I dont have much pain per se. However, I wish I would be able to last for 15-20 minutes or so.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 04:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

definitely my lungs.

and dont stress the race, just think of it as another run. i feel you on not being a morning person either. i work graveyard so my race at 6am is kind of like 6pm to me. perfect!

and edit: i originally got into running because our high school baseball coash was also our cross country coach and running cc was my going to be my warm up to get in shape for baseball. but i had so much fun at races and meeting new people i ended up doing cc even after i stopped playing baseball.


Relix
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

60 minutes on the stairmaster doing intervals for the second time this week..

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

DWalk- if my roomy and I come to Vegas for spring break, think you could find us a place to crash? We could get some good runs in too!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Definitely!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 07:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 92_Civic_VX_B18c
60 minutes on the stairmaster doing intervals for the second time this week..


thats really impressive. my legs would turn to jello, then buckle and give way before I collapsed to the floor if I did 60 minutes.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 07:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
Definitely!


Rock on. Middle of March, plan it!

-Matt


Relix
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/08 09:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: 92_Civic_VX_B18c
60 minutes on the stairmaster doing intervals for the second time this week..


thats really impressive. my legs would turn to jello, then buckle and give way before I collapsed to the floor if I did 60 minutes.
it's taken me a long time to build up to that... When I started out getting back into shape, I could barely do 10 minutes on level 5, now 8 months later I am doing 60 minutes on level 12 4-5 days a week..


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/08 03:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran another 6 miler tonight. felt strong! could easily have added distance, but i dont want to go crazy and get injured while im doing well.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/08 08:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Impressive man, that's a good distance! My long-term goal is to be able to run a 5 miler with no stops. As it is now, I have to walk for 1-2 minutes every 10-12 minutes. \:\(

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
10/08/08 05:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 6.5 miles in a 7:33 pace last night. I could have went a lot farther but it was getting pretty dark on me. Hopefully it stays warm a little bit longer so I don't have to move to the pool to get my exercise quite yet.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/08 06:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Today it was raining and freezing. I jsut didn't feel like runnin'.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/08 07:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

92 and sunny here \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/08 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wanna be out there so badly, haha.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/08 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4.1 miles in 49:35 today. I wasn't able to run non-stop, (ran first 12 laps on a 1/10th mile track) so I did walk a bit of it (usually ran 6-8 laps and then walked 1 or so. I felt great and didn't want to stop but I also didn't want to overdo it for the race on Saturday. \:\)

-Matt

edit: laps, not miles


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/08 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good stuff, dude!

A S D
(Sr Member)
10/09/08 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats on the 4 miles man. Without going back over the whole thread I think that is the farthest I have seen you say you have ran. It doesn't matter how you got it finished as long as you got through it. It will only get easier from here.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/08 08:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, it's for sure my longest by *gasp* 1.2 miles. \:\(

To those of you who've run in a race before, do you find yourself getting more pumped up due to the massive crowds and other runners or do you find it intimidating? Also, I ALWAYS run with music, is that ok to still take with me? I find running without it a bore and quite monotonous. Any other tips for running in a legit race?

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
10/09/08 10:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My first race with with around 500 people and I was a little nervous. I guess your usual butterflies but I wouldn't call it intimidation. As far as the music, it depends on the race. My first race it wasnt a problem to run with my ipod, but the half marathon im running in November specifically says no portable music players. Im not sure why, maybe just their rules. I would say if you haven't seen anything saying you can't wear it, you should go ahead and wear it.

One tip I have is don't get in the back of the pack at the starting line. You will spend the first 1/2 mile dodging people, which can take a lot out of you real quick.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/10/08 09:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good deal. Thanks!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 04:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran another 5k tonight.

30 miles deep in October so far


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 09:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, impressive man. Im at 8.4

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

deciding if i want to head out tonight and run again. i feel great, but i know if i keep running every day im going to get injured .

I'll probably relax for another hour and then hit up my 6 mile run \:\)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 09:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, I heard you should only run 4 days a week tops.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 10:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well then maybe i'll keep it short and run the 5k course instead.

im get addicted to running, its really leaning me out.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 10:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am too. It's not leaning me out too much yet, but it's increased my stamina/endurance like mad. I LOVE it. I just need to work on my diet VERY closely, that's what's holding me back. Check yo PM foo!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/08 11:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i'll definitely get you hooked up with a place to stay dude!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/08 12:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

and mark me down with another 5k \:\)

33 miles and counting in October! whats a high mileage month for you silock? i could hit 100 this month if I continue at this pace, but i think i'll keep it closer to 75 and see if I can due that 3 straight months instead...


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/08 01:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
and mark me down with another 5k \:\)

33 miles and counting in October! whats a high mileage month for you silock? i could hit 100 this month if I continue at this pace, but i think i'll keep it closer to 75 and see if I can due that 3 straight months instead...


Well, I don't run any more. When I did, I could easily do 120 miles per month, but I didn't run the same distance on consecutive days. I'd do a fast 2 miles one day, then a 7:30 pace 6 miles the next, them maybe a 10 minute pace 10 miler once a week. I always switched it up.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/08 09:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gosh Im so envious of being able to run like that. Maybe this time next year. \:\) Ima go down ~5k today (just run for 30:00 or so). What's the best running training to lower my 5k time? Just more distance? Intervals? Etc?

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/08 11:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Personally, I found it easiest to lower my 5k time by just running a 5k a couple of times per week. And then the other times, I was just switching it up between fast and short and slow and long (no homo).

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/08 05:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds good. I didn't run today since we played 18 holes of golf and walked it. We walked close to 4 miles all said and done so I still got quite a bit of exercise. \:\)

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/08 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not sure how far I ran since it wasn't my usual route. However, I ran about 13 minutes (almost without stopping, I got a phone call) to the school soccer game, stayed there for about 30 minutes, and then ran back in about 9. If I had to guess, it'd be about 2.2 or 2.4 miles give or take. The only thing is that it's a VERY VERY hilly route and on the last hill (probably a 14-15% grade for 100 yards) I sprinted up it as far as I can for a good change of pace. After that, I just coasted down the hill back to my apartment. GREAT run tonight. I felt like I could have gone forever...

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/08 10:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

atta boy, stay on that!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/08 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 beers into the night and Im chillin'.

-Matt


Farkey
(Post Master)
10/15/08 01:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Gosh Im so envious of being able to run like that. Maybe this time next year. \:\) Ima go down ~5k today (just run for 30:00 or so). What's the best running training to lower my 5k time? Just more distance? Intervals? Etc?

-Matt


Tempo runs are what you're looking for to actually get faster, as opposed to just increasing distance: http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-263-265-12224-0,00.html


Figured I'd jump in on this thread since I've started reading these forums regularly again. I recently (about 2 months ago) started running/lifting again after taking about two years off for, well... no good reason, really. I just got lazy and now I'm paying the price. When I was 20 I was in incredibly good shape, as I played soccer and tennis competitively and ran religiously (at one point I had my mile to just under 5 mins... 4:55ish or so). Now I'm 29 and a tad overweight at 6'2 203 and am shocked at where I stand on conditioning. My mile as of a couple days ago is 7:45, and I'm working up from an easy pace of about 10 mi/wk right now (split between 3 days). It's actually really frustrating feeling so slow compared to where I used to be, but at the same time it's a good motivating factor because I've been fast before and I know I can get there again.

Short term (~ 6 months) I want to get myself to a sub-20 min 5k time and work back up to about 20 mi/wk, while getting the weight back down to 180 or so. I'm honestly not sure how practical the timeframe is and how my body will cooperate, but we'll see.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/08 08:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man, and thanks for the link for tempo runs!

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/15/08 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good work on the runin deuce. after legs and abs last night, i walked on the treadmill on a 7.5% incline for 30 mins. today will probably be a bike day

LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/08 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 3 miles at a slooow 10min/mile pace yesterday while hungover. I thought I was going to die. But, I made it. I need to run more!

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/08 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thought id share some stuff ive been doing.

after 2 hour workout in the pool. it was time for weights. but yesterday was speed work(speed endurance really).

last week was 2x 30 secs (meaning go through the 8 stations twice @ 30 secs on 30 secs off). balls to the wall for 30 secs. its crazy.

yesterday it was 3 rounds @ 30 secs on and 30 secs off.

1)Chin ups
2)speed squats
3)med ball wall throws
4) skipping
5)pull ups
6)agility ladder*plyometrics*
7)push ups
8)wall jumps

after those 3 rounds(which were hell) there was a pretty gruelling ab workout consisting of about 5 different exercises done 4x around.

im feeling it today.

gotta try to fit in the strength workouts later this week.

reason I put this in the cardio forum is because the speed workout definitely incorporates cardio into it. give it a try!


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

what are wall jumps?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If my high-school basketball practice reminds me correctly, you stand at a wall with your hands up and jump as high as you can for 20-30 times. It's even more fun when you hold a 25lb plate over your hear. \:\(

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

oh and i did 5.5 miles of hilly fun-ness last night with a fat sprint up the deathstar of a hill(gigantic mesa) that my condo sits on. it seriously 1/4 of insanely steep grade. dirtydante can attest to the mesa of death!

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/16/08 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it is one hell of a hill. did 30 mins on the bike last night after I lifted

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
oh and i did 5.5 miles of hilly fun-ness last night with a fat sprint up the deathstar of a hill(gigantic mesa) that my condo sits on. it seriously 1/4 of insanely steep grade. dirtydante can attest to the mesa of death!


Good deal man. Im running in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains, so Ive got hill training wherever I go. Now when I run on flat ground it almost feels surreal.

-Matt


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yup thats it.
stand in one spot with your hands above your head. pick a high spot on the wall in front of you..and jump at it as fast and as much as you can.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/16/08 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
oh and i did 5.5 miles of hilly fun-ness last night with a fat sprint up the deathstar of a hill(gigantic mesa) that my condo sits on. it seriously 1/4 of insanely steep grade. dirtydante can attest to the mesa of death!


Good deal man. Im running in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains, so Ive got hill training wherever I go. Now when I run on flat ground it almost feels surreal.

-Matt

Dude, haven't you seen Deliverance? Some redkneck is gonna try to make you squeel like a pig someday


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/08 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ill take my chances...

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/08 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.3 miles today in 39:24. I dont know if it was because I didn't eat too much today (chicken stir fry, banana, CLIF bar, coffee) but I just had next to no energy during my run. \:\( About 1/3 way through my run my shins started to hurt but not nearly as badly as they used to when I first started running. I took a hot shower and then turned it on 100% cold and let them soak with that for a long while and took some ibuprofen. The pain is on my left leg about 3" up from my inside "ankle bump". It doesnt much hurt now, but a lot with pressure. Hopefully it's a one time thing and nothing bad at all. \:\)

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/08 05:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Here is my chart which I've logged every single run on since I began. The 0 mile week was when I injured my hamstring (again) and rested. Anyone else keep track through a log system? I really enjoy the runnersworld.com one and would recommend it to anyone interested. It helps keep me a bit accountable (as do all you guys!) for running and eating right as well. \:\)



-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/08 09:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

love that site, keep going strong brotha.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/19/08 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

after the chest and tri's workout, I hit the bike for an hour. baseball playoffs make cardio fun!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 08:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 miles of hills tonight! wasnt much of a challenge, i need to step up the distance.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/20/08 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good work! You ready for the gym tomorrow?

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

when and where?

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 07:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran my half marathon Saturday. I was hoping for less than 1h 49m but ended up at 1h 53m, the last three miles were uphill. Ouch.

Dude trying to pass me by the camera, no way sucka!



After the race we hung out for awhile, it was sponsored by a winery so we got free wine. Yum! I'm on the left, the girl beside is a girl from work I actually used to date about 7 years ago (nicest girl I've ever dated!), guy in the middle is a work buddy (1h 48m) and my brother (1h 55m) on the far right (he's a ham). Good times.



FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/20/08 09:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That is a great time. I ran my first Half Marathon in Miami in 2:12. I am running the NYC Marathon (for Tourette Syn.) on Nov. 2 I am hoping to finish at approx. 4:00.

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
That is a great time. I ran my first Half Marathon in Miami in 2:12. I am running the NYC Marathon (for Tourette Syn.) on Nov. 2 I am hoping to finish at approx. 4:00.


Thanks man, I really wanted 1h 45m and had gone several 1h 49m times, but even that was on flat land. I guess I can't expect to run faster than I train like some people do.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did my first 5/4/3/2/1 (bike/run/bike/run/bike) tonight

completed 30miles last week doing 4/3/2/1 (bike/run/bike/run)

wish me luck everyone. i'm trying to see if i can do 45miles this week


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/08 09:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats on the marathon scott

FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/20/08 10:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
That is a great time. I ran my first Half Marathon in Miami in 2:12. I am running the NYC Marathon (for Tourette Syn.) on Nov. 2 I am hoping to finish at approx. 4:00.


Thanks man, I really wanted 1h 45m and had gone several 1h 49m times, but even that was on flat land. I guess I can't expect to run faster than I train like some people do.


You are capable man. You should see me I am a stick and look like I can break records...look at my time. I was playing it safe but I don't think I could have broken the 2:00 mark. Training for these upcoming 26.2 miles make the half marathon training look super easy. I can't wait to see my time for the 2009 Half Marathon.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 06:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
You should see me I am a stick


appropriate user name then lol

and im about to go run...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 07:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7 miles

FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/21/08 08:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
You should see me I am a stick


appropriate user name then lol

and im about to go run...


LOL, that is what I have been called since I was a young boy.

DWalk, I am thinking about December Half Marathon in Vegas, are you runnning it? I heard it is a flat course.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 08:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm definitely considering it. 7 miles felt pretty comfortable this morning. I may just have to step up my game \:\)

And its flat, if not downhill(if its the same course along LV BLVD).


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/21/08 08:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is it : http://www.lvmarathon.com/

I am debating if to go to Vegas early Dec. or celebrate the 31st there (that would mean no race for me but maybe more fun).

I think you can run 10 miles comfortable (but slower) pace. If you can reach 10 miles at a decent pace you can do the 13.1 miles of the race. Race day is night and day when i comes to focus and inspiration. I feel full of energy when I race because of the vibe of the people.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 08:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i was planning on doing a 10k on 11/22, I guess that can just be part of my 1/2 marathon training now lol.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/21/08 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
when and where?

which ever gym works for your player. Anytime after 5p today...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work on the half Scott! That's a good time!

-Matt


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 07:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big collorado
congrats on the marathon scott


Thanks for the kind words guys, I hope you all hit your goals!


A S D
(Sr Member)
10/21/08 08:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got back into the groove the past 2 days. 6.5 yesterday with a 7:50 pace and today 4.55 in a 7:28 pace. I'm going to have to bust my ass for the next 2 weeks to get into decent shape for this 1/2 marathon. The only goal I have is to go below 1:50

Any tips from the people that have ran a half marathon before? What about clothing? It will be pretty cold since it starts at 7:30am, but I'm sure I will start getting hot.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/08 10:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Id go with layer so you can strip off if necessary. Something like shorts for bottoms, sleeveless T, long sleeve T, jacket if necessary. Try to keep it to two layers if you can so removing will be easier since you can just tie one around your waist.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 08:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

was going to take today off, but got a text from an ex that gave me a little extra motivation \:\)

so I ran another 5k. I'm over 50 miles in October now!


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 09:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big collorado
did my first 5/4/3/2/1 (bike/run/bike/run/bike) tonight

completed 30miles last week doing 4/3/2/1 (bike/run/bike/run)

wish me luck everyone. i'm trying to see if i can do 45miles this week


do you do this on a track?


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
was going to take today off, but got a text from an ex that gave me a little extra motivation \:\)

so I ran another 5k. I'm over 50 miles in October now!


Youre smokin' me! Good work man!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 09:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

<--super motivated right now. all my good friends have been on a fitness kick too so we're all keeping tabs on each other. keeping up with dirtydante will be a lifelong battle. this guy allen at work challenged me to see who can get in better shape by xmas. my room mate is doing the 300 workout. ive got you to report back to on running. tons of friendly competition!

not to mention the bitches are flocking \:\)


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/22/08 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another hour on the bike last night. In about 2 weeks I'll start on some more runnin programs

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
not to mention the bitches are flocking \:\)


That's all ya need right thur!

I need to get out and run, I haven't since Friday. *runs and hides* My big thing is that all of my friends (that are interested in running/cardio) are all above me in their fitness. My roommate could run a 5k in ~24 minutes whereas Im right at 32, and it's hard to train with people like that IMO.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/22/08 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Matt,
those people are great to train with. He might be a little out of your league, but it will push you. If you can, find someone that is 3-4 minutes faster than you...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

True. I just hate feeling like Im holding people back.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 03:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
...About 1/3 way through my run my shins started to hurt but not nearly as badly as they used to when I first started running. I took a hot shower and then turned it on 100% cold and let them soak with that for a long while and took some ibuprofen. The pain is on my left leg about 3" up from my inside "ankle bump". It doesnt much hurt now, but a lot with pressure. Hopefully it's a one time thing and nothing bad at all. \:\)

-Matt


Well, it wasn't a one time thing at all. Now I have the same pain in my right leg as well. These are not shin splints as they don't feel like it's the shin that hurts. It feels as if pressure needs to be relieved or something of the sort. It slowed me down terribly today as I did 2.3 miles in 31:24. \:\( This absolutely sucks and I hate it! Silock- what is that compartment syndrome feel like that you have? If Im able to run through this (maybe it's a second onset of (more) severe shin splints), then I will; however, I don't want to further injure myself either. This is coming after 4 days of solid rest and the only thing I can attribute it to is playing ultimate frisbee and wearing my soccer cleats which arent nearly as comfortable as my running shoes and running on ROCK HARD packed dirt. Any suggestions? I can't do anything without getting hurt it seems. \:\( How was y'alls day?

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, that's what it feels like. Like you just want to cut your leg open and let it drain. And it fucking KILLS. Way worse than shin splints. Mine is on the inside of my shinbone, right under the bone.

You can exercising the anterior tibialis and see if that helps. It helped me a bit, but the real problem I have with them is the constant pounding of running. It doesn't hurt while running on grass on the soccer field, but running on a treadmill or pavement just kills.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How can I exercise that part of my leg?

I did just play Ultimate Frisbee on the turf varsity field wearing my cleats and everything feels really good now, but that might be similar to you being able to play soccer with no ill-effects. I don't know, Im still going to try and run and see if it hurts me in a few weeks. If so, I guess Im off to an Md, again.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Reverse toe-curls. You can do them while sitting in a chair and just raising your legs up on your toes, but it's much more effective if you can attach some kind of resistance band to a table leg or something, wrap it around your toe and then pull your toe back toward your body.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/08 05:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good deal, thanks. \:\)

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/22/08 06:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
True. I just hate feeling like Im holding people back.

-Matt

Meh, you might hold them back at the end, but you will work to stay with them to the best you can until you run out of gas. And you'll have more in the tank than you know.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/08 07:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im down to weighing 233 (with all my clothes on) from 246. First time I've weighed myself since late August. Guess Im doing something right!

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/23/08 11:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Matt, don't over do it when you are slightly injured, not worth it. You will actually take longer to recover if you run on it. I did that and well, I had to stop running for almost two weeks. We all know that when we don't get our fix we go fucking NUTS! at least I do. Try cross training, get on the bike.

Speaking of a fix, today I did 30 mins HR Interval on the bike, a 10k and then another 30 min HR interval. It was my first time doing so, and I felt good, real good.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/24/08 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Im down to weighing 233 (with all my clothes on) from 246. First time I've weighed myself since late August. Guess Im doing something right!

-Matt

good work on the weight lose!


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/08 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yup, good work matt. im hoping for a 169lb weigh in this week lol.

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/08 03:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i did 2 days straight of 1 hour cardio class at my gym. I felt good to sweat so much in a 1 hour session, but my foots are taking a beating from the constant running, leg lifts, dancing, jumping from 2 days of high intensity cardio class.



FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
10/26/08 07:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
i did 2 days straight of 1 hour cardio class at my gym. I felt good to sweat so much in a 1 hour session, but my foots are taking a beating from the constant running, leg lifts, dancing, jumping from 2 days of high intensity cardio class.



Did you do these without any prior cadio training?


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/08 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
 Originally Posted By: iamfob
i did 2 days straight of 1 hour cardio class at my gym. I felt good to sweat so much in a 1 hour session, but my foots are taking a beating from the constant running, leg lifts, dancing, jumping from 2 days of high intensity cardio class.



Did you do these without any prior cadio training?


cardio training?

no, but i do have experience in those classes and i went a few times prior


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/08 03:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last Wednesday I played in the Intramural Ultimate Frisbee championship at school and we were playing on the Varsity football field in the stadium which is turf. Well, I slid on the same part of my leg two different times and proceeded to rip 2 layers of skin of my leg in an 8"x3" patch which still isn't scabbed over, still bleeds and oozes a bit too. Looks pretty righteous so running is on the back burner, again. I can't look at a sport without getting hurt.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/08 07:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did a new 6 miler tonight.

i am badass.

>60 miles in October and I've had plenty of rest w/ it and im injury free.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/08 08:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 deg today, and we are going to run. Anyone else run in the cold?
The first time was HARD, the cold air burned my chest from the heavy breathing. now it;s not soo bad.
But i don;t think i can run in much colder weather.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/28/08 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
did a new 6 miler tonight.

i am badass.

>60 miles in October and I've had plenty of rest w/ it and im injury free.

that's good work deuce, too bad you fucked your weight lose by boozing yesterday!


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
10/28/08 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Im down to weighing 233 (with all my clothes on) from 246. First time I've weighed myself since late August. Guess Im doing something right!

-Matt


Good job man, keep it up! Hard work pays off.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/08 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zc911
5 deg today, and we are going to run. Anyone else run in the cold?
The first time was HARD, the cold air burned my chest from the heavy breathing. now it;s not soo bad.
But i don;t think i can run in much colder weather.



I havent yet, but Ive gathered up all my cold gear to get ready to. What do you run in? Ill have:

UA Cold Gear Tights
UA Cold Gear Long-Sleeve T
Shorts of some sort
Long sleeve T
Maybe Jacket
Beanie
Maybe gloves.

-matt


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/08 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

track suit jacket, under armout t shirt, touqe, thick track pants, gloves
Last time i didn;t wear gloves and my hads where pretty cold and it was about 11deg.
hmmm maybe i need more layers lol


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/08 03:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it will be 87* here tomorrow!

its 2:07am and 66* right now. time to run \:\)

edit +5.3 more miles


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/08 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You go running at 2:07 in the morning? Dang man, that's pretty hardcore.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/29/08 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

he avoids my running program... says it has something to do with needing sleep because he works nights... whatever! :laugh!:

hit the bike for 45 mins last night. cut it a little short so I could make it home to watch House.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/08 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2am is perfect for running. No traffic, Vegas city lights, weather is tits, etc...

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/08 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dressing to run in the cold is tough because after the first mile you're going to be a lot warmer. The worst for me though is the breathing... when I'm running hard in the cold, my mouth gets all coated with goo, and I'm not a very good spitter, and it builds up and I end up practically gagging

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/08 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Back to running today. Not sure on the distance but I estimate it to be ~2.5 miles or or so. Ran it in 30:20 \:\) Felt good and my legs did not hurt although I did take 2 Aleve beforehand.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/08 06:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

running has me at 168lbs this morning. 169 was my goal when i was at 220 \:\)

going from 175 to 168 has been hell! seemed harder than 220 down to 175.

time to keep running and leaning out. may try to get to 160 by xmas and then bulk back up.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/08 08:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man, you're killin it!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/08 09:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.3 miles in 37:31 as a celebration! i felt like i was hauling ass, but i know I can cut time off that. next month i would like to be <35.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/31/08 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
2am is perfect for running. No traffic, Vegas city lights, weather is tits, etc...

I'm just messin with you. You are crushin it. Proud of you brotha


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/08 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks mang!

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
10/31/08 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm probably gonna meet up with teddy to throw the football around a lil, you down to join us?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/08 09:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
5.3 miles in 37:31 as a celebration! i felt like i was hauling ass, but i know I can cut time off that. next month i would like to be <35.

\:o


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/08 08:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did the 5+ miler in 38:xx w/o even really pushing it this am. dint feel like i pushed nearly as hard as the other day and my time was still pretty close. im happy with where this is going

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/08 01:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im jealous. Great running man, great running.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/08 02:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks man, you definitely help motivate me

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/08 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well after seeing your awesome results, I couldnt sit around and watch football any longer. I went out and ran on the track a 29:36 5k with the first mile going down in 7:48. Both times are PR's for me since I began. I know I could have shaved off a minute or so off the total time had I not busted it for the first mile. Also, I walked a bit more than I knew I should have but other than that, I feel real good about today's work. \:\) Come on Nov. 16th for my next 5k!!!!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/08 09:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hell yeah matt! under 30 and under 8 for the first mile, very impressive. keep it going man.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/08 09:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:D

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/03/08 11:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pitched 7 innings on Sunday. A lil different cardio.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/08 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome weather AND you guys play baseball. F it, Im moving to Vegas.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/08 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Awesome weather AND you guys play baseball. F it, Im moving to Vegas.

-Matt



i think dirtydante was high school player of the year in the south of our state in 1999. he hit over .530 lol.

i hit .350 my soph year lol!

and another 5.3 miler(my 3rd this month) = 15.9 miles in November so far!


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/08 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Puking is bad, mmkay.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/08 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dont overdo running man, you can hurt yourself quickly and pretty severely as well.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/08 10:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As are soccer girls. ;\)

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 08:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

speaking of bitches, ive tapped a 18, 19 and 21 year old in the last month. makes my old ass feel young again \:\)

running for pussy ftw


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 08:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You shallow son of a bitch. haha

-matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/05/08 08:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Awesome weather AND you guys play baseball. F it, Im moving to Vegas.

-Matt



i think dirtydante was high school player of the year in the south of our state in 1999. he hit over .530 lol.

i hit .350 my soph year lol!

and another 5.3 miler(my 3rd this month) = 15.9 miles in November so far!


You on fire son!

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
As are soccer girls. ;\)

-Matt


As are volleyball girls!


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 08:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
You shallow son of a bitch. haha

-matt


Now you're on to me and the 19 turns 20 on December 2nd so i have to compelete the 18-19-20-21 connection after that


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 08:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: FLaCo
 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Awesome weather AND you guys play baseball. F it, Im moving to Vegas.

-Matt



i think dirtydante was high school player of the year in the south of our state in 1999. he hit over .530 lol.

i hit .350 my soph year lol!

and another 5.3 miler(my 3rd this month) = 15.9 miles in November so far!


You on fire son!



thanks mang, headed back out to run again in about 15 minutes \:\)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 09:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man, y'all are killing me!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

mark me down for another 5.3.

21.2 miles in November and its only the morning of the 5th...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's dang impressive man. Im going to go out here in a bit me thinks. Im tired of running hills/foothills of mountains though.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/08 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

300 replies. Woot!

Ran 2.8 miles in 32:16. There are some freaking enormous hills on this route. The one by my apartment alone (which I usually dont run up) is 110 steps with a 12% or so grade. It's huge and I barely feel as if some cars can make it up that let alone running it. All in all it was an outstanding run and I didnt even take my headphones and strangely enough, I liked the peacefulness of it all. While Im not on Dwalk's level, this month is shaping up to be pretty good barring any injuries (which I guarantee you I will get). Keep on runnin' folks.

Marathon boys, how you feelin?

-Matt


A S D
(Sr Member)
11/05/08 08:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am still sore from Sunday. It's crazy I have never been this sore for this long. My left foot is also killing me, I can't tell if it is just muscle or bone. Hopefully I will be able to get back out by Monday, if not I might just die.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 05:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud


Im not on Dwalk's level, this month is shaping up to be pretty good barring any injuries

-Matt


I'm really proud of the work you're putting in and I'm glad we are both looking to each other to get better and better! Stay on it! I am planning on taking today off from running, but I will probably throw some weights around.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 08:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I just might catch up to you then! *rolls eyes*

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 09:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

im watching 'pumping iron' waiting for this day of rest to end so I can get out on the road and run more!

FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/06/08 09:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
300 replies. Woot!


Marathon boys, how you feelin?

-Matt


I am still sore but nothing like Monday or Tuesday. I thought my bones/joints would hurt more but I just feel my Quads, hammies and calves tight.

I am running a 5k on Nov. 29...I want to kill it in 22 mins. So as soon as this week is over I will be training slowly back up to 10k status. It is amazing the new perspective a marathon gives you on miles. As of this moment 3.1 miles is nothing I mean nothing!

By the way Matt, congrats on your new personal record. I remember when I was out of shape Jan.2007 I couldn't finish 2 miles; a year later I was running a half-marathon.


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/06/08 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
im watching 'pumping iron' waiting for this day of rest to end so I can get out on the road and run more!

Deuce, I want to get some running in tomorrow. You down? You just let me know the time, and I'll make it work...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hahaha i usually run between 4 and 7am. but i can probably adjust. i prefer running when its dark out, but let me know what kind of windows your schedule has.

running in the wind the last few days has been mizzy.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I miss your old avatar man, this one is too up close and personal IMO. lol

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ok now its me and the pig

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 05:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

der we go.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/06/08 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
hahaha i usually run between 4 and 7am. but i can probably adjust. i prefer running when its dark out, but let me know what kind of windows your schedule has.

running in the wind the last few days has been mizzy.

the wind is FTL. and it's gonna be freezing balls in the A.M. soon, but I'm down for now for some 6:30a runs...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/08 10:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Who on here has AIM or a similar chat client? I wouldnt mind having a separate list of you guys so we can keep tabs and not let anyone slack off.

-Matt


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 07:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I've been doing my cardio at the gym lately, but figure I'll give running a shot. For whatever reason, running aggravates my low back so I'll see if I can't ease into it. I've got two bulging discs in the back and its either that condition that gets aggravated or something else. I usually ride a bike when the weather is nice, which I much prefer, but it would be nice sometimes to just kill 30 minutes running without worrying about getting out my bike, helmet, etc.

Started this morning. Did two miles of intervals with the dog. I need to get my pace down and see if I can't work my way up to a mile without my back hurting.


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/07/08 08:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
So I've been doing my cardio at the gym lately, but figure I'll give running a shot. For whatever reason, running aggravates my low back so I'll see if I can't ease into it. I've got two bulging discs in the back and its either that condition that gets aggravated or something else. I usually ride a bike when the weather is nice, which I much prefer, but it would be nice sometimes to just kill 30 minutes running without worrying about getting out my bike, helmet, etc.

Started this morning. Did two miles of intervals with the dog. I need to get my pace down and see if I can't work my way up to a mile without my back hurting.


I assume you know this already but don't run the day after or on the same day you do back excercises at the jim.

My brother-in-law has the same problem as you to herniated discs...he can run but not anything past 3 miles or so.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

meeting up with dirtydante tonight for some sprints and stadiums at a high school

im going to try and get in some more hiit/speed work/sprints now that im not a slob and am somewhat athletic again


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Enjoy those stadiums man. You should check out a speed-chute too, they work wonders on sprints. \:\)

-matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i have above average speed, but dirtydante is super human.

i think he went 6.2 on grass in the 60 for baseball in high school. i think i was like 6.8 lol miles back.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 01:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

but that makes it fun to workout with him because when i can compete i know im doing pretty well \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 01:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very true.

And I KNOW youve got an AIM so you can keep track of all your myspace pussy. lol, text or AIM me, I dont do well on the phone since I dont want my mom to know Im on the phone type of girls...

-Mat


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 07:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ok guys, let me know what you think:

As of Today, November 7th, I have run a total of 70.9 miles since mid-July. Ive ran in the Race for the Cure 5k on October 11th in 32:06, and am scheduled to run in another 5k a week from tomorrow. Im aiming for a sub-30:00 time. Now, on Thanksgiving day there is a 10k race through Cincinnati, my home town. Ill be up there for Thanksgiving break and would really enjoy doing a race up there me thinks. Now, my question to you guys is do you think, if I dedicated myself, I could be physically prepared for basically running twice the distance Im used to in a matter of 3 weeks and change? Im never dead tired after my ~3 mile runs, and know I could go 4 or 5 miles now with how I am with a few walks here and there but I do NOT want to over-exert myself and take three steps backwards after taking two steps forward. If I can do this without training too hard and hurting myself, I will. Id love the challenge, but something tells me 6.2 is a MUCH longer run than what Im accustomed to, not even considering the distance. What are y'alls thoughts? I trust all you guys, well... a lot even though Ive never met a one of you. So yea, hit me.

Thanks,
Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

doubling the distance is no joke my friend, but i know you've got heart. give it a shot.

i just got home from running with dirtydante. i was about to puke after the 7th sprint up this insane hill we found

and then we ran more!


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/07/08 09:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

smashed it we did!!!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/08 09:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

big grass hill with a constantly elevating slope(15*-45*) ftmfw

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/07/08 09:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

champions we are!

FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/08/08 01:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am a runner and I have no idea wtf this means, "hell yeah matt! under 30 and under 8 for the first mile, very impressive. keep it going man. "

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/08 08:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, he's saying in response to a post on page 6 or something when I ran a 5k in under 30 and my first mile of that was under 8 minutes. \:\) Ill give it to ya though, if it wasnt in reply to me I would have been very WTF for me.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/08 04:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.5 miles in 25:53 today. It was about 50* outside and I had on my running shorts, shoes, UA Cold Gear long sleeve mock, and a 3/4 sleeve t-shirt. It was nice running in the cold for once, although Im sure Ill get sick of it before too long; I envy you Vegas runners. I can't wait for my 5k on Sunday!

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/08 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 2 miles to the park, ran 10 uphill sprints(dirtydante-style) and ran the 2 miles back home.

highs in the mid 70s all week here playboyeeeeeeeeeee


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/08 09:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Rub it in, rub it in...

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/08 05:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i just fucked a 5'9 135lb stunner that im gonna pass to dirtydante(if we're rubbing it in)

you will enjoy tino! jaeson can suck our balls! ha!


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/11/08 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha... who da man? you da man! I killed it in the gym, but was too tired to run after

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 08:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

im headed out in a few to do the park run/sprint workout

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 10:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that shit kicked my ass!

i want to die after sprint 8 or so up that hill but i grab my nuts and keep going \:\)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 01:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My legs have been mysteriously sore all day but Im gonna pop an Aleve and go for 4 miles or 40 minutes I think.

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/12/08 02:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:
Ok guys, let me know what you think:

As of Today, November 7th, I have run a total of 70.9 miles since mid-July. Ive ran in the Race for the Cure 5k on October 11th in 32:06, and am scheduled to run in another 5k a week from tomorrow. Im aiming for a sub-30:00 time. Now, on Thanksgiving day there is a 10k race through Cincinnati, my home town. Ill be up there for Thanksgiving break and would really enjoy doing a race up there me thinks. Now, my question to you guys is do you think, if I dedicated myself, I could be physically prepared for basically running twice the distance Im used to in a matter of 3 weeks and change? Im never dead tired after my ~3 mile runs, and know I could go 4 or 5 miles now with how I am with a few walks here and there but I do NOT want to over-exert myself and take three steps backwards after taking two steps forward. If I can do this without training too hard and hurting myself, I will. Id love the challenge, but something tells me 6.2 is a MUCH longer run than what Im accustomed to, not even considering the distance. What are y'alls thoughts? I trust all you guys, well... a lot even though Ive never met a one of you. So yea, hit me.

Thanks,
Matt



Ok, doubling your usual mileage isn't that easy. Although, I must say, you are doing well. I understand you haven't ran for a long time, but I do know one thing Matt...you have a lot of heart. Even though you only have approx. 2 weeks before you run the 10k, slightly increasing your mileage will allow you to be psychologically fit. Do not try to get to 6 miles before the race. That will make you sore and probably won't allow you to do the 10k race.

My suggestion to you is to get to 4.5 or 5 miles at a slower pace the Sunday before the race. The weekdays leading to the race just do 3-4 milers up until Thursday (which should just be a 2 miler or some cross-training). If you feel you MUST workout (I'd rather rest completely, this way you have 48 hours of complete rest) on the Friday before race day, do some sort of minor cross-training, a elliptical machine or a bike for 30 mins at a comfortable speed. The idea is to not stress your muscle up until the day of the 10k, that day you will have to go balls out and go for broke (maybe use nothing but heart). I have faith in you, I think you will do fine.

I will use my recent 26.2 mile race in NYC. The most I had ever ran was 18 miles. The reason for the shorter runs was because I honestly didn't have the time. Training for a marathon is a lot of work and requires a lot of time; time in which this married college student and working man doesn't have. So what did I do? I worked on intervals and did 13 miles regularly. I never reached 26.2 until race day. That day I reached 26.2 and all of its glory. So can you.

It is a good idea to train appropriately before a race, but I don't see anything wrong with testing yourself every once in while. Sure, I would have had a better time in the marathon if I trained correctly but my idea is to finish and I believe that is your idea too.



2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, thanks for the post man. I had about ruled it out but now I don't know. \:\) I appreciate it.

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/12/08 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey, no problem. Listen with running and other endurance sports you will end reaching 'walls'. The idea is to break them. You can always break them physically with training but sometimes you need to break mentally first. There are times when I know that I am capable in running certain distance but I am just terrified of them. When I get like that I have to say to myself, "What are you afraid of?" Make believe that 10k is just an abstract number. I remeber back in Jan.07 2 miles was a big deal. I remember seeing Drew and Cierrecart talk about their 10 mile runs. I would say to myself, "How the fuck do they do it?". It is all about walls and breaking them. I would reach my first 4 miles even if I had to walk the last .50 miles.

I think you can do the 10k without stopping or walking. Even if you have to jog the last mile.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 04:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, just got back from a so-so run. Did 3.0 miles in a miserable 36:00. After the first ten minutes I found myself walking and just not having much energy at all. Chalk that up to not eating much thus far, but at least I was out there adding distance. And Flaco, I highly doubt Id be able to run the 10k without stopping as I can't even make a 5k without stopping (if I push it, I can run about 20min at once). Today was the most distance for the week, but it just did not, "feel" good, and Im sure you all know how I mean. I just wasn't into the run really. Oh well, until tomorrow! \:\) I have such a love/hate relationship with this sport.

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/12/08 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, I feel you. I thought you were doing a 30 min 5k.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, on days I feel up to it I can. Today I just felt bad all the way around. My very first 5k I did in 32:06, so Im hoping to be sub-30 this coming Sunday when I run in my second one. Im not too worried since I put in a good bit of mileage since the first race. As long as my legs feel good that day, Ill be good to go. \:\) AND, it's at 3pm, so I dont have to worry about getting up at 6 and freezing my balls off either, which is nice since Im NOT a morning person at all.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 06:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, as far as the 10 mile barrier goes -- my motivation was extreme boredom. I didn't have shit else to do, so I just kept running lol Forrest

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i think i may try to plot out a 10 mile course and give it a shot.

you want in dirtydante?


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/08 06:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hey Tino I found a perfect 9.93 miler I'm sure I can add a little extra at the end...

Valle Verde and Sunset to
Sunset and Boulder Highway
Boulder to Warm Springs
Warm Springs to Valle Verde and back to my condo.

Come get some you pussssssssyyyyyyyyyy!


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/13/08 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha, I'm not sure I'm ready for that one yet. I'd like to get some 5k's then 5 milers in before I try that. haha. You are a distance machine right now. gonna do some hills tonight. You down?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/08 09:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2 hours of basketball tonight, full court even *high five*

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 07:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lets see you dunk it mr 6'4''!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 07:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtydante
haha, I'm not sure I'm ready for that one yet. I'd like to get some 5k's then 5 milers in before I try that. haha. You are a distance machine right now. gonna do some hills tonight. You down?


I think I may just grab my nuts and go for it in about an hour.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 09:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
lets see you dunk it mr 6'4''!


Not a chance, lol.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 09:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10 miles, 76 minutes and change

longest run for me in almost 10 years, im proud today \:\)



2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 01:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy cow man. You've surpassed my weekly total.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/14/08 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
10 miles, 76 minutes and change

longest run for me in almost 10 years, im proud today \:\)


i remember that 8 miler we pulled last year at this time. That was a crazy run. I can't imagine trying 10 miles right now. great work...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/08 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

not much different than that run. ducking traffic a little more down sunset, but I was on a mission.

im not a big guy, im not mr athlete, but i have heart all day. sometimes thats the best though \:\)


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/08 12:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wow DWalk, that's amazing...good job!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/08 11:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks man!

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/15/08 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

word up deuce

mosaaik
(Post Master Jr)
11/15/08 06:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My second 5k is tomorrow with a high of 40* and rain. This could suck, bad.

-Matt

edit: signed in on Molly's sn,


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/16/08 12:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mosaaik
My second 5k is tomorrow with a high of 40* and rain. This could suck, bad.

-Matt

edit: signed in on Molly's sn,


LOL!!! I was like, "that's Matt".


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/08 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got done with my Buddy's Race Against Cancer. The route was the same one as my first 5k which I really liked so I could get a perfect measure of how my times stacked up. The rain held off but the cold didn't, however that didn't stop me! I clocked in my PR with a 27:34 and only walked for 2:12 of the entire race. I dont know what my deal was, but I was tearing it up (for me). It was 39* for the race too, so Dante and Dwalk, and you too Flaco, enjoy your warm states. \:\( Im psyched though! Woot! (a pic of me bundled up to come later)

-Matt

edit for pics:
Before the start.

Me across the finish line!


-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/08 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, since I know y'all likely dont remember, my time for the Race for the Cure was 32:06. Nearly 5 minute difference!

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/16/08 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm telling Matt you have it in you. 27:34 is very good. Seriously...that is little less that 9 minutes per mile, probably around 8:55 or something. Anyway, you can your work has paid off. Hopefully, in two weeks on Sunday I can run a 24 minute 5k.

I see a 10k in your future, loL!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/08 09:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im still debating that Thanksgiving Day 10k. I want to, but I just dont want to hurt myself, ya know? My total 5k goal is sub-24 minute. Thanks for the kind words man!

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/08 09:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice, dude!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/08 10:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man!

-matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/16/08 11:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Let me see if I can post some NYC Marathon pics...one sec.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 05:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you are killing it man, glad to see the hard work paying off for you.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:\) You and me both.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 09:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:\) You and me both.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 09:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
:) You and me both.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 09:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
:) You and me both.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/17/08 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you cardio freaks are killing it. I need to step up my cardio work

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
:) You and me both.

-Matt
 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
:) You and me both.

-Matt


Haha, \:\(

-Matt


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 09:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i started to stay after my lifting to run 30 minutes on treadmill or elliptical

i really want to drop my BF %, currently i am at 12%


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 10:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

diet

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/08 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

working on it
wish me luck, it could be hard


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/18/08 08:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck. \:\)

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/19/08 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

'nother 5+ miles today...

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/19/08 04:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.8 for me, but at 38*, that was a rough 2.8. \:\( Come on Spring! Im gonna need you all to hold me super accountable over this winter...I will NOT wanna go running at all.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 08:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

its 51* right now, i think im going to wait for the sun to come up to run today \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 08:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh get out there and run you puss. 51* is warm.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 08:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hahaha i think im going to wait til 11am when its 70* and i can run in a wife beater and basketball shorts \:\) enjoy 38* for me though!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 09:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hate you.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 09:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

do you do any ab workouts? i find if i do abs before i run i somehow have way better runs. i would think it would be the opposite...

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/08 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No, I really don't but know I need to since your core helps out with running so much. I might hit up some 8-minute abs or something.

-matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/20/08 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am all about the core man. I actually enjoy doing core and ab workouts; I love the drained feeling I get.

check out the link: http://www.runnersworld.com/video/1,8052,s6-6-0-2,00.html

Having a strong core makes you a more efficient runner, and helps your running form.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/08 10:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ugh, it's freaking pouring up here in Cincinnati and it's about 35* outside. Id run if I had a good raincoat, but this is miserable. \:\(

-Matt


CrossOut
(Newbie)
11/24/08 11:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Same here, it's raining more than i'd like to run in

*close to Cincy*


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/08 03:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Where you at? If youre close at all I could use a runnin' buddy.

-Matt


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/08 05:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nah man. its all about 7 minute abs. lol

its been snowy/rainy all the week here. bitch to ride my bike to class lol road bike lol fail.

ill actually share some workout stuff ...got my ass handed to me today. lactate heaven. failllllllure.
im so beat right now.

main set was(in meters)
5x100 kick on 2 min
4x25 kick on 45 sec all out
3x150 pull(swim with a pull buoy between legs) on 2:30
4x50 pull all out on 1 min
2x300 swim with fins on something
2x75 all out on 1:30 with fins or without.

2 times through that.

it sucked


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/08 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.42 miles today in 34:09. I actually suppose that was my longest outdoor run. I know I did 4.1 miles on the indoor track at school but blech, inside sucks. Anywho, the run was alright and I know I can do it in ~29 minutes and change if I push it a lot but it's cold and windy and I just wanted some semblance of a run/workout. I don't even feel tired at all though now, which just means I didn't go hard enough. \:\( I might go back for an evening run of the same loop.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/08 08:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8.2 miles this am.

i hit the 4.1 mile mark in just under 30:00 and finished in 60:xx without all that much effort.

im feeling pretty good \:\)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/08 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang man, that's an honest run. Great work!

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/26/08 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
8.2 miles this am.

i hit the 4.1 mile mark in just under 30:00 and finished in 60:xx without all that much effort.

im feeling pretty good \:\)


That is a great run man, much faster than I.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/08 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.4 miles today in 28:xx. I was running with my dog and he is NOT a good running partner at all, He has to stop at every. single. mailbox. Anywho, there's a local 5k tomorrow but Im not sure if Im going to run in it or not. Im hurtin for money a bit (read: a lot) and it's 25.00 which I dont have. Ive also ran nearly 7 miles the past two days and am due for a day off, so we'll see. Flaco, whatcha think? Yay or nay?

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 12:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks for the kind words guys. you definitely keep me motivated on the days where im not feeling it \:\)

and i say take it off or run on your own, there will always be another 5k! no need to break the bank.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, I didn't do it. Woke up at 7:55 this morning and was like, "no way, aint gonna happen" and hit the snooze...11 times.

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I miss running \:\(

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 07:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Raced an 8k (almost exactly 5 miles) this morning in 35:26. I was actually still a little drunk and couldn't manage to get hydrated before the race so I had low expectations but I'm real happy with that time.

Looking to 5k in under 20 minutes in 2008, against a current best of 20:44 on a hot night. *Might* be doable if I train hard and get a good night's sleep the night before.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 10:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ah, you should be able to get that. Great work on the 8k though, that's impressive! My 3-month goal would be to 5k in sub 25:00.

-Matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 10:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That should be doable - miles, miles, miles! Try to get into a routine and make time for it. I guess that's easier said than done with weather and whatever else.

Side note, these winter races are great for me in at least one aspect: before the race, it's nothing but fit, short girls, with big legs, in tight pants. It's basically my vision of heaven.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 11:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ive had some of my best workouts after a night of drinking. lol all that alcohol is fuel baby

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/08 11:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
That should be doable - miles, miles, miles! Try to get into a routine and make time for it. I guess that's easier said than done with weather and whatever else.

Side note, these winter races are great for me in at least one aspect: before the race, it's nothing but fit, short girls, with big legs, in tight pants. It's basically my vision of heaven.


Yea, glorious isn't it? Love it.

-Matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
11/28/08 08:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back into running about a month ago, here are my new PRs:
3.2 miles @ 23:35
4.8 miles @ 40:34

I'm going to pick up some new shoes shortly, hopefully that will help me beat these times. (My brooks are about shot)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/08 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, those are solid times, namely the 3.2! Great work!

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/29/08 06:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Matt, if money is a concern then forget the race and run it on your own. Make it a personal one. Today I was up by 6:30 am on a Saturday to get ready for a 5k. I'll let you guys know how it went. Wish me luck!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/08 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man! Yea, I didn't run in it but did 3.4 instead that day on my own.

-Matt


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
11/29/08 09:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job on the 3.4 Matt.

I finished the 5k in 23:15. I wanted to finish in 21:5x, but I felt sluggish. It probably didn't help that I didn't prepare for it, drank heavily on Thursday, and ate a prime cheeseburger for dinner the night before. lol


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/08 10:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, dinner of champions. I don't think Ill ever get sub 20, but my end-all goal would be in the 23:xx range I think. That's a 4 minute drop from where Im at now.

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
11/30/08 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

caught 9 innings, then DWalk, and DeeDubless played football with some friends for a few hours. I wish I didn't play the baseball game. I was cramping in the last third of our game.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/08 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I won't have my running shoes for ~2 weeks since the shop didn't have them in stock. \:\( \:\( \:\( What's come cardio I can do in the mean time? And remember, I HATE swimming...

-Matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
12/01/08 07:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Haha, dinner of champions. I don't think Ill ever get sub 20, but my end-all goal would be in the 23:xx range I think. That's a 4 minute drop from where Im at now.

-Matt


Sub 20 is just a mindset and a lot of practice away. We both share that goal btw, I'd be the happiest dude on earth if I could break 20 mins in the 5k.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/08 08:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's certainly an impressive feat, that's for sure. I can't even run a 1 mile pace quick enough for what Id need to do for a 5k. \:\( *laces up shoes* Cya!



(not really, since I dont have mine with me for nearly two weeks. \:\( )

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/08 06:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



My chart since the beginning. November has been my first 20 mile month!

-Matt


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/08 09:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^ nice

FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
12/01/08 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Where did you get that little program Matt?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/08 07:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's the Runnersworld.com training log. Free, keeps good track of stuff, numerous views/chart/diagrams/etc, and keeps ya honest. \:\)

-Matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
12/02/08 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ripped my 4.8 mile course in 38:42, which is much faster than it felt. My legs were sucking today. How's everyone else doing?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/08 05:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ugh, eating like crap. Im afraid to run in my junker tennis shoes (New Balance of some sort) since I do not want to get shin splints, again. I cant wait to get my kicks back.

-Matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/08 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, today wasn't the day - not surprising, I've only run about 3 times in the past couple of weeks. Chip time was 20:53 for a 5k:

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/7249783


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
12/07/08 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20:53 is pretty quick for a 5k, i know that's not goal, but still quick. I'm hoping some new shoes will inspire me to drop some time.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/08 03:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I should have my new shoes tomorrow. Gosh I cant wait, Ive hated not having them.

-matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/08 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, good time Micah...I know it looks stupid fast to me and may not be your goal, but youll get there. Just keep logging those miles!!!

-Matt


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/08 08:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Alright, I'm going to see if I can't join you guys with the running.

I don't run right now other than the occasional intervals - I have some low back issues that are aggravated when I run. But over the weekend, we went to Memphis where my wife ran the half marathon while I sat in the hotel room, and I felt like a giant pussy about the whole thing. Now, honestly, I have no desire to ever run a half marathon or a full marathon. I'm a cyclist and during the summer would rather put those kind of hours in on my road bike. But I would like to get in decent enough running shape to put down a respectable 5k time, so that's the goal.

We have a marathon and half-marathon locally in April. My wife will probably run the half, I want to do the 5k. I should have plenty of time to get in shape for it by then.

Anyone else have low back issues? I've got two bulging disks that are asymptomatic most of the time. I'm not sure if its those or its something else, but I typically can't jog too far before I have to stop. My plan is to do a "couch to 5k" training plan that starts out with intervals. I'll stick to running on a track to start to avoid hills - running uphill doesn't agree with me yet. Work on strengthening my core and dropping some weight to reduce stress on my low back any way that I can. Any other thoughts?


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/08 03:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just take it slow and don't push yourself too hard. If your back begins to hurt, then stop. Adding another mile to a run isn't worth really messing up your body.

In other news, Asics delayed shipping my shoes so I wont have them till I get home Sunday. \:\( Ugh.

-Matt


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/08 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I plan to take it slow. I did the first day of training and it was 20 minutes of alternating between 60 seconds jogging and 90 seconds walking. That was really easy and I don't even get up to five straight minutes of jogging for a few weeks. I'm spinning two days a week for higher intensity cardio (which also helps with core strength) and doing strength training on the same three days that I do the 5k training.

One of the other problems I have with running is disciplining myself to keep my pace down. I hate the feeling of barely moving that comes with starting out like this and pick up the pace when I shouldn't.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/08 08:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ive still been running, just havent been reporting in on here as much. the mesa i live on wasnt giving me a challenge anymore so now i run up mountains. the trail is 2.5 miles up and no idea on the elevation change but its a bitch. those 2 water towers right before the trail are like 40 feet high lol.

fuck a treadmill im all terrain





DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/08 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you can barely make out The Strip(starting from mid left) from the top!


and me, gassed at the top!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/08 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, nice man! If we come out there for spring break we'll have to go on some nice runs!

-Matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/08 04:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks friggin' hot! In the running mags they always show those kind of cool singletrack trails like you pictured, but around here it's all trees and roots.

Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
12/14/08 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've got sand and scrub brush here. \:\(

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/08 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

But you guys have some kind of cool paved trail network right? I read a little about it last time I was in Orlando.

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/gwt/guide/regions/eastcentral/eastcentral_region.htm


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
12/16/08 06:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes, those are awesome! I'm usually not one for driving to run, but I may do that just to keep things fresh, as I'm starting to get bored with my routes.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/08 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im back in business, bitches! Got my shoes back so let the miles reign down upon us!!!!!!!!!!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/08 01:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Y'all better enjoy your warm weather.



-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/08 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I hear there's a moose antler option? Pics?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/08 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tomorrow the Moose Antlers will be worn. Promise. That hat was stifling after a mile or two. Anyways, first run in ~3 weeks and I lost a lot of endurance in that time. 26 min for 2.5 miles. \:\( Felt good to be out there though, that's for sure. My throat is so tight right now, Im wheezing like a mofo.

All in all, it was nice to be back.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/21/08 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's 11* outside. Im not running today, moose antlers be damned.

Dwalk, you still killin' it?

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/25/08 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.4 miles today. Hows everyone else doing? Dwalk, that snow kill ya in Vegas?

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
12/25/08 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.2 miles, but weather wasn't really a factor.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/25/08 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

<-- jealous. What was your time?

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/08 11:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.6 miles today.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/08 04:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Rob, Flaco, DWalk, Serendipitous, Agent O, Micah, anyone been running? Its QUIET in here.

-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
12/30/08 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Rob, Flaco, DWalk, Serendipitous, Agent O, Micah, anyone been running? Its QUIET in here.

-Matt


My shin splint is ALMOST gone, but I can still feel the pain a bit when I run. So I've been doing my cardio in form of the stairmaster at my gym. Cant wait till the shin splint leaves entirely, so I can hit that pavement again.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/08 04:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good deal man! Hope it goes away quickly for ya. I know those were next to unbearable when I had them. I ran about once a week still but hated it every step of the way. \:\/

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/08 05:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes! I do 3.2miles/5K every other day and always take a day off on Sunday (football, of course). On Silock and others' recommendations I have started mixing some interval training which has been great at kicking my ass, but not so great on my shins. I can still keep up my regimen, but icepacks are necessary after every run.

I didn't see your previous post about my time. I just started getting under 29 minutes, which is down from 32 or so when I started. I have no idea where I should be at with that.

Keep piling up those miles!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/08 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My first officially timed 5k was 32:16 and my most recent was 27:34 I think. Youre right around the same time I am.

-Matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/09 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I rocked out a 6 miler two days ago, busted a 54 minute time on that run. My goal is to tack on distance, so I'm trying to push my workouts farther.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/09 02:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good deal, and good work on the 6 miler!

-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/09 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot! I'm finally able to run again. Did 3.2 miles this morning, my shin has very little pain but nothing bad enough to where it once was. These new shoes (kayano's) kick ass!



Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/09 07:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great resource, don't know if it's been listed yet, but http://www.mapmyrun.com . It's free to use and will calculate distance / calories burnt / mph / time per mile. I love that website. \:D

LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/09 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!

I've been using one cierrecart linked me to:

google maps + pedometer + for runners = http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/09 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I use http://www.runnersworld.com and their training log. Hasn't let me down yet!

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/09 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, glad to hear you're able to run Rob!

-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/09 08:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Also, glad to hear you're able to run Rob!

-Matt


Thanks focker. Soon I'll begin using a stopwatch to see how my times compare to yours. All this time I've been just jogging at my own pace and just been focusing on increasing my distance. I was up jogging around 6 miles (4x a week) a few weeks ago before the shin splint. Now I'm working myself back up to there. I felt like I could do more after the 3.2 miler today but didn't want to push it since it was my first run since the shin splint.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/09 09:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, take it slow. I bet you're already ahead of my condition wise by just reading your posts. Ive never once knocked out a 6+ or heck, a 5+ miler as of yet. My longest run was 4.2 miles, and I still have to stop about every 7 or 8 minutes for a breather most days, especially when its cold out. Blech.

-matt


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/09 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First half-marathon yesterday. I kind of owned myself by being cocky - I haven't trained in a while, and plus I just rolled up in there and drank a red bull and thought that would get me through 13 miles. Nope. So my pace crashed a little bit after about 7 - I got real lightheaded, and then my legs got kind of rubbery. Gatorade fixed both problems by the time I was smart enough to have some but due to the spacing of the stops, that wasn't until mile 12. Finishing time 1:43:29 against a (stretch) goal of 1:40:00 so I felt fine about that.

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/7391396

I won't be doing that again real soon. A 5k hurts a LOT more than that, but at least it's over 20-30 minutes after it starts.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/09 05:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good deal man, I think Im gonna try to knock out a half by August.

-matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/09 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2 hours of b-ball tonight. Not quite legit running but good exercise nonetheless.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/09 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.5 miles today on our indoor track. First legit run back, felt damn good.

-Matt


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/09 06:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I didn't do a whole lot of running in November/December, however I recieved some legit cold weather running gear for xmas, synthetic thermal undies and a windbreaker jacket and pants along with a headband and gloves. Stylin' and profilin'! I ran about a mile a week ago but it was just too cold ~10-15 degrees. This week I've put in two 3.7 mile runs in 30 degree temps and its been good. I'm not as out of shape as I thought I'd be.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/09 07:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just got back from a 10 day training camp. 10+miles of swimming everyday+ dryland. it was epic

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/09 07:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow. Id...die.

 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
I didn't do a whole lot of running in November/December, however I recieved some legit cold weather running gear for xmas, synthetic thermal undies and a windbreaker jacket and pants along with a headband and gloves. Stylin' and profilin'! I ran about a mile a week ago but it was just too cold ~10-15 degrees. This week I've put in two 3.7 mile runs in 30 degree temps and its been good. I'm not as out of shape as I thought I'd be.


Good work man! The right gear makes all the difference in the world.

-Matt


96CivicHB
(Post Master Sr)
01/08/09 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I got on the treadmill @ the house since I knew I wasn't going to gym... it is a for sure everyday I'm not going to hit the gym....

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/09 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.25 miles in 20:53

It was 27* out and I was just wearing running shorts on my legs. My legs got SO cold. I was wearing a thin under armour, long sleeve T, and a running jacket, so my upper body was warm, but ugh. It was a great run and I didnt feel winded one bit, but I just had no feeling in my legs. Brr.

-Matt


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/09 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you can make yourself run in freezing conditions you can run anytime! \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/09 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I would have been fine had I had my tights. They're freakin cozy warm but running shorts just weren't cutting it. lol


-Matt


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
01/08/09 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 96CivicHB
Well I got on the treadmill @ the house since I knew I wasn't going to gym... it is a for sure everyday I'm not going to hit the gym....


I only use the treadmill at home on rainy days. I fucking HATE running on the treadmill now, time goes by soooo slllloooowwwwwww, almost feels like you're in class staring at the clock.


LookIt'sRob
(Post Master Sr)
01/08/09 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

oh yea, I ordered the polar fs3 watch/heart rate monitor off amazon. Will make a good thread for it once I get it and try it a few times. I never monitored my heart rate or time on my jogs, it's about time I begin.

Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/11/09 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Put down my first long run today. Went 13.15 miles, don't ask for times because it was sad. But I'm happy that I could actually go that far. \:D How's everyone else doing?

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/09 08:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, you surpassed my week! Good run!

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/09 09:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I might be able to walk 13 miles.

Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/11/09 10:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gotta start somewhere! I started jogging 1 mile, then slowly upped my mileage. Then I made a big jump today, my farthest to date was 8 miles. But my roommate is training for a marathon, so I ran with him and put on a good amount of distance.

Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 09:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a pretty big jump. Well done.

I tried running as soon I got up today for the first time. It's supposed to help fat loss since you do it before you eat anything, so I figured I would give it a go for a month and see how it works. It's nice to run when it's a little cooler outside, that's for sure.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If I ran as soon as I got up, it'd be about 15-20*. \:\(

-Matt


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 02:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I finally started running again Jan 2nd, and have logged around 23 miles in 8 runs. Obviously not a great distance per run avg, but I've run about 17 of those miles in the last 5 runs. My average time is around 8'11'' per mile, which is up from my 7'45'' or so average from early last year.

It's encouraging, though, that I can run 3 sub-8 minute miles now fairly easily. Hopefully pretty soon I'll be banging out 5 miles minimum every run.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Rock on man, good work!

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 03:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Moose antler pics still not loading.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 04:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Grr.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/09 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2 hours of b-ball tonight.

-Matt


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/09 08:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6-8am workout.
got my ass handed to me. :barf:

main set
1-50 easy on 1:10
1-50 drill on 1:10
1-50 all out on 1:10
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
2-50 all out
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
3-50 all out
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
4-50 all out
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
3-50 all out
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
2-50 all out
1-50 easy
1-50 drill
1-50 all out

i feel like ive been hit by a truck.
round two later this after noon + weights.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/09 08:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1:30 of basketball tonight.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/09 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Question for those of you who've run half marathon's.

It's January 14th and there is a half-marathon in Knoxville on March 29th. Could I get ready for that in time? My longest run to date is 4.4 miles but I know I could knock out a 10k without much hassle. Now, a half is MUCH farther than a 10k, nearly twice the distance. Is this a feasible goal? If you guys say so Im going to dedicate myself to it but I do NOT want injuries or undo strain on my body as a result of inflated ego's and unrealistic goals. Thoughts?

-Matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/14/09 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finish one? Yes, that can be done. I don't know how well though, you realistically have 2 months to train. If you started tomorrow you could work your distance up to that range. Use the online trainer at runnersworld.com to see what kind of workout you'd need to get there.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/09 07:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ya its plenty of time to get ready for a half...and the distance you are at already..youll be perfectly fine.

just look online for a training schedule. itll ramp you up properly. its not like you just got off the couch so you can do this quite easily imo


FLaCo
(Post Master Sr)
01/14/09 08:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Matt, you can get ready in 8 weeks. Actually, there are 8 week programs all over the internet. These will help you increase your mileage safely. I believe that you won't have a problem running it, because your objective is a realistic one and that is to finish without a worry about your time.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/09 09:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a big blister on my right foot and am getting sick. \:\(

-Matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
01/16/09 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So, I know to get into the type of shape I want, I need to do more cardio, but it's so boring if I'm not playing basketball, football or my MMA training(which I've had to take a break from because of my hip, then my knee). What are some tips you could throw a brotha?
Thinking of doing some swimming. Maybe that elipitacl thing...


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/09 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Slowly but surely getting back into running shape. I've run 17.14 miles in the last 5, and averaged a pace around 7'50". Trying to get to 80 miles this month!

WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/09 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got in 2 runs today:

This morning, for some stupid reason, I didn't eat anything before going running. I had no energy whatsoever (big surprise). Only logged 2.5 miles.

This afternoon, after eating(!) I logged my furthest run yet; 7.01 miles @ 8:03/mile!! I only expected to go maybe 4 miles, but just got in a zone and kept going!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/09 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I LOVE getting in that "zone". It's only happened to me a few times, but dang, when Im in it...Im in it.

-matt


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
01/18/09 08:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great pace man, keep up the good work!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/09 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I *might* try to run tonight depending how things go. Being sick all weekend killed me. I just did some planks and Im breathing like I do when I try and swim, .

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/22/09 04:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2.3 miles today on my normal hilly school loop. I only walked two times after the ENORMOUS hill which is better than normal. I was coming off being sick and this was my first big run afterward so I feel good about it. \:\) How is everyone else doing?

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
01/22/09 05:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm sticking to the wakeup cardio routine even though it's been frigid the last few days. It's too early to tell if it's any better than just doing it whenever, but I'm dropping weight at a steady pace. So far so good.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/22/09 11:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just am not nearly enough of a morning person to get up and run. \:\(

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
01/23/09 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's tough, for sure. I don't really feel like doing it until I actually get out there and start moving, then I'm glad I did.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/23/09 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's usually the case. I just tend to not let such absurd thoughts enter my head.

-Matt


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/09 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm at 66 miles for the month, and have to get to 80 to meet my goal. Only a couple runs left before I do it, yes!

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/09 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it's official that i can't run for shit

i was on the treadmill on Monday for 20 minutes and the next day my shins were destroyed. my shin splints definitely have something to do with running and weak muscle \:\(


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/09 09:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Eek, maybe get different shoes? Go to a dedicated running store and they'll fit you with a pair that suits you best.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/09 01:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WNDYCTYone
Eek, maybe get different shoes? Go to a dedicated running store and they'll fit you with a pair that suits you best.


This.

Also, I had HORRIBLE shin splints for the first 20-30 miles I ran. It will get better, just stick with it.

-Matt


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/09 10:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

do you guys buy those sole insert for your shoes? i was at Wal Mart the other day and saw so many different kind of gel cushion sole inserts.

should i try it before i go buy a new pairs of shoes?


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/09 10:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It wouldn't hurt, but you will probably end up getting new shoes.

zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/09 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So i signed up for a 10km run on may 9th
couple months to train.
I started running last week after not running for a while
my 1 mile time strate dout at 11:30 lol
but this week i am back down to 9m40s the good thing is my heart rate was only around 131 to 139, and i was not gasping for breath.
hope to be at 9minutes tonight.
Next week we are getting soem warm weather so i can run outside.

I am thinking i should start running slow. Maybe 5min run, 1 min walk, repeat 4-5 times?
Do that 3 times a week then keep increasing the run time.
Plus my regular gym stuff 2 times a week.

Good plan or should is there a better way?
Also should i do a 10k run before the actuall run or not?


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/09 09:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Set a personal best on Saturday running 10.10 miles at 7'50" pace. Great thing about it was that I wasn't even out of breath, the only reason I stopped was my feet and legs were fucking killing me, lol. Progress...making progress!

WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/09 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zc911
So i signed up for a 10km run on may 9th
couple months to train.
I started running last week after not running for a while
my 1 mile time strate dout at 11:30 lol
but this week i am back down to 9m40s the good thing is my heart rate was only around 131 to 139, and i was not gasping for breath.
hope to be at 9minutes tonight.
Next week we are getting soem warm weather so i can run outside.

I am thinking i should start running slow. Maybe 5min run, 1 min walk, repeat 4-5 times?
Do that 3 times a week then keep increasing the run time.
Plus my regular gym stuff 2 times a week.

Good plan or should is there a better way?
Also should i do a 10k run before the actuall run or not?
Well, I'm not sure the best way to train, but here's what I've been doing:

Started out Jan 1 with a goal of running 80 miles for the month. I was only running 2-3 miles the first 2 weeks or so because I hadn't run in such a long time. I would run at about an 8'30" pace for a couple minutes, then sprint for 30 seconds to 1 minute, then slow back down to an 8'30" pace again. I'd repeat that a couple times. Every few runs of 3 or so miles, I'd set out to run with a goal in mind of 4 miles or more just so I didn't get stuck in a rut and get used to only running 3 miles and nothing more. By the end of January, I was running a minimum of 4.5 miles each run with longer runs of 6 and 7 miles sprinkled in, again so as not to get used to only running 4.5 miles and nothing more. I would use the same philosophy, run for a couple minutes at a decent pace, then sprint for 30 to 1 minute, then slow back down to my normal pace.

Doing it this way while running 4-5 times a week helped me get to 90 miles in January, and this past Saturday, I set a pb by running 10.10 miles. Previously my pb was a bit over 7 miles...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/09 11:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man, Ive been slacking as of late running. 1 run in 2 weeks. \:\( I feel awful because of it but I have no drive for some reason. I know weather has a lot to do with it, but blech. Someone make me run!!!

-matt


dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
02/19/09 01:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

maybe you just need a lil time off to recharge your your batteries. I ran a 5k last night with DWalk

WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/09 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm slowly losing motivation too, ugh. I was 'spoiled' by temps in the upper 30's, so all of my running was done outside. Now it's back to being shitty outside, and the treadmill is extremely fucking boring. I need the 'nice' weather to come back so I can actually get some 4-5 mile runs in.

Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
02/19/09 03:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Spoiled in the upper 30s? God damn I have the life here in FL. \:D

WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/09 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Agent Orange
Spoiled in the upper 30s? God damn I have the life here in FL. \:D
Yeah, when it warms up to upper 30's and into the 40's, people start driving around with sunroofs open and shit, I'm not kidding. I do. I'll wear shorts and a hoody if I'm going out to the store or something... lol, but it's back in the teens again.


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/09 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

When I lived in Philadelphia and bought a Miata in January (great time to get one cheap; it was about 20 degrees outside), I couldn't wait until it hit 45 degrees so I could put the top down per the manufacturer's recommendation. Now I wear long sleeves if it's below 65. Florida does weird things to a person.

Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
02/20/09 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Leaving Philly was a good choice.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/09 11:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WNDYCTYone
I'm slowly losing motivation too, ugh. I was 'spoiled' by temps in the upper 30's, so all of my running was done outside. Now it's back to being shitty outside, and the treadmill is extremely fucking boring. I need the 'nice' weather to come back so I can actually get some 4-5 mile runs in.


Im right there with ya man.

-Matt


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
02/23/09 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WNDYCTYone
Well, I'm not sure the best way to train, but here's what I've been doing:

Started out Jan 1 with a goal of running 80 miles for the month. I was only running 2-3 miles the first 2 weeks or so because I hadn't run in such a long time. I would run at about an 8'30" pace for a couple minutes, then sprint for 30 seconds to 1 minute, then slow back down to an 8'30" pace again. I'd repeat that a couple times. Every few runs of 3 or so miles, I'd set out to run with a goal in mind of 4 miles or more just so I didn't get stuck in a rut and get used to only running 3 miles and nothing more. By the end of January, I was running a minimum of 4.5 miles each run with longer runs of 6 and 7 miles sprinkled in, again so as not to get used to only running 4.5 miles and nothing more. I would use the same philosophy, run for a couple minutes at a decent pace, then sprint for 30 to 1 minute, then slow back down to my normal pace.

Doing it this way while running 4-5 times a week helped me get to 90 miles in January, and this past Saturday, I set a pb by running 10.10 miles. Previously my pb was a bit over 7 miles...


COol thanks

i rna 5km twice last week, thent he snow came again, errr
did it in 50min then 45ish minutes.
really worried about running 10k lol


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/09 10:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did about 4.4 miles this morning, on the way to my 13.1 in June with Team in Training.

If you guys are like me and need motivation to keep you going you might want to consider looking into TNT - there are chapters EVERYWHERE.

I signed up to do a half marathon, but they do fulls, tris, bike events, etc. etc. and if you're in the right shape for it they'll train you for an ironman and get you into the event.

Also, the added bonus of the seemingly 4:1 ratio of females to males isn't anything to shake a stick at either.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/09 08:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ill look into it, I need the motivation like mad.

-Matt


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/09 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hot damn! 1.6 miles today in 13:45. First run in entirely too long, and I missed it. I think the time off did me some good, I hope. Im wheezing like it's my job, but hey, I got out there and ran. \:\)

-Matt


Serendipitous
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/09 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welcome back!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/09 08:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man, it feels good. I lost a lot in my 4 weeks without running (checked the calendar and its been longer than I thought), so I need to take some time to get back to where I was once at.

-Matt


Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/09 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have been on the slow and steady climb - losing weight/building muscle/endurance, etc....but, it's been frustrating because the weight had been just kind of settling at one number (inches always seem to go down though..).


So, at the beginning of last week, I started to head in a little bit of a new direction. I shortened my cardio times, and turned them into shorter HIIT sessions AND started spin classes. Since I injured my toe at kickboxing last week, I have been supplementing my kickboxing and running with sessions on the Jacob's Ladder.

SOOOoooooo! I ended up losing 3 pounds! Woot!


I guess I will just keep on keeping on! \:D

Just wanted to share my little excited dance with everyone!


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/09 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work Dahlia!

-Matt


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/09 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Spin FTW

Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/09 08:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Silock
Spin FTW


Darn right! AND I got some nice clip-ins for class and for cross country in the summer \:D


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/09 09:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. Clips are the way to go. Much better workout.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/09 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

havent been checking in here lately, but im tearing shit up. 10 miles in 74 minutes the other day. its almost effortless while im running, but I definitely feel sore after. im down to 165lbs and i feel won-der-ful.

as soon as im ID comes in the mail I'll be lifting with dirtydante, taking my weights game to the next level.


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/09 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 30 minutes on the bike this afternoon... i've mainly been doing hill climbs on the treadmill...

the bike kicked my ass, cause i'm not used to it... i got 10 miles in 30 minutes, and burned about 325 calories...

i'll start adding this into my routine more, cause i got a pretty nasty burn in my qauds when i was hitting those hills... should help my running as well when the time comes...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/09 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm going to add sprints to my running routine too, should help make my abs pop now that im lean enough to see them!

and hills are thse shit, stick with that...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/09 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9.25 miles in 68:15 bitches! not sure if i wanna add a weight vest or add more distance. i still had a ton in the tank. 164lbs ftw!

**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/14/09 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3 mile "jog" this morning. Averaged about 6.5-7 mins per mile.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/09 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

atta boy

**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/15/09 04:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks bro. Damn you're down to 164? shit, weren't you 200+ when you started? good shit homie!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/09 05:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

217.5, down to 164. using euphoric and exgf's as motivation really works!

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

another 10 miles this am in just under 78 minutes... i might try to go for 150 miles total in april. i feel like a fucking stud right now. ive gone from a tub of shit to basketball/boxing shape and i feel pretty good about myself bitches!

DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

man you guys and your running... no idea how you do it...

i did a practice run of my 1.5 mile run i'll be required to do and made it through in 14:30, and felt fine like i could have gone another mile...

just did an easy jog at 6mph, bumped it to 6.2 after awhile, and finished up at 6.5... i was going to jack it up to 9-10 the last 1/4 mile but figured why bother...

my requirement is 1.5 miles in less than 15min 55 seconds...

the first time i tried it a few weeks ago, i quit after a half mile...

it's pretty crazy what just a few weeks of training will do for you, but then again, i've never done cardio... just use to play alot of ball, but that's all short sprints and shit, never any sustained distances...


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you're an athlete, it wont take you long to find a groove. its just getting past those first miserable days back pounding pavement. 6.5's not bad at all either. stick to it. i go out on 10 mile runs smiling the whole time watching every fat motherfucker driving by drinking a starbucks. i get some sort of sick satisfaction out of that. lol.


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



good stuff...


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ok boys, (and girl) Im back to running. I was using the cold, snow, rain, etc. as an excuse when I had no reason to. I got lazy, but fuck it, Im back. 2.4 miles today in 22:54. Not bad for only running 1.8 miles in the past MONTH. Yea, Dwalk, I know... It's embarrassing, but Im doing stuff about it. It's March 17th today, so I have 14 days left in this month. Im wanting to knock out 15 miles by April 1st.

-Matt


robbbby
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 07:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Too many runners here, not enough cyclists.

saturday - 2.5hours
sunday - 2 hours
today - 2.5hours

Can't wait for the weather to warm up even more, not riding indoors is a blessing.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/09 07:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I used to be, until I bought my running shoes.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/09 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Ok boys, (and girl) Im back to running. I was using the cold, snow, rain, etc. as an excuse when I had no reason to. I got lazy, but fuck it, Im back. 2.4 miles today in 22:54. Not bad for only running 1.8 miles in the past MONTH. Yea, Dwalk, I know... It's embarrassing, but Im doing stuff about it. It's March 17th today, so I have 14 days left in this month. Im wanting to knock out 15 miles by April 1st.

-Matt


nothing embarassing at all about getting back into it brotha! you know what you need to do. run, run, run!


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/09 10:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

<--- 6 more miles this am.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/09 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Youre KILLING it man, good show!

-Matt


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did four miles in 32mins yesterday and 2miles this morning in 16mins

going to log about 4 more this evening and take tuesday off and jump back on the 6 mile thing come wednesday

hopefully i can incorporate some weightlifting into tuesdays/thursdays


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 11:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i did one hour of cardio class at my gym yesterday, i couldn't keep up with all the jumping and leg exercises. I have to do the simple moves in the 2nd half of class because the shin splints was acting up so bad...ouch! I iced it last night and this morning when I was kneeing down to change my license plate, I felt my shins were burning internally.

i was wearing my Nike shox traning shoes, i make sure i tighted the laces good and stretched before the class. I am still experience a lot of pain in my shins. I want to run after lifting or off day but the shin splints are stopping me from doing a lot of cardio on the treadmill/elliptical and the gym's cardio classes \:\(


Agent Orange
(Post Master Sr)
03/23/09 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Was doing some speedwork today, trying to log a sub 21 min 5k. Went 7:19 first mile, 7:01 second mile, then cramped up in the ribs (not controlling my breathing enough) and had to walk the rest out. That's my cardio update. \:D

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 03:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work fellas. Did 2.4 miles in 27:54. My hill route here at school KILLS me. Im missing my flat Cincinnati... \:\(

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 05:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

glad to see this thread getting some action. duc, orange and matt keep that shit up! iamfob get that rest yo!

DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my 1.5 mile test run again and knocked it out in 13:30. I feel I could probably knock it down to 12:00 if I had more time. My test is this weekend so I'm comfortable with where I'm at right now. I will keep running though as I'm starting to like it more. I think I would prefer to run outside as the weather gets warner.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 07:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: robbbby
Too many runners here, not enough cyclists.

saturday - 2.5hours
sunday - 2 hours
today - 2.5hours

Can't wait for the weather to warm up even more, not riding indoors is a blessing.

I'll be joining you next week after I get my bike out of the shop. Been itching to go out for some rides and the weather is finally turning the corner. Signed up for a century in June so will be getting some mileage in between now and then.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/09 08:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

knocked out 4miles in 32mins tonight

tomorrow is weight training and seeing how i feel with it


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/09 08:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just did 6 miles(a tick under 10k) in 40:56

flying through the Vegas streets


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/09 09:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work man, Im impressed as I said in OT. I lost a lot in my month or so off from running. Gotta get going again.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/09 09:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you will get back there. a little time off is good for your body anyway. whats the temp out there? i almost pussed out at 46* this morning. that shit is too cold!

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/09 02:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

75* right now. About 35-40* in the mornings.

-Matt


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/09 09:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

WOOT..shaved a minute off of my 3mile run

3miles at 23mins as of this morning.

gonna retry this evening


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/09 02:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did my test this weekend, and knocked it out in 12:40ish... it was windy as hell too, so i was surprised i got that time...

i did 2 miles on the tread this afternoon in 18:15... not bad, just a nice steady pace... i'm gonna bump it up to 2.5 wednesday and then try a 3 miler on Friday...


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/09 04:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DieZel
did my test this weekend, and knocked it out in 12:40ish... it was windy as hell too, so i was surprised i got that time...
Down from 13:30? Nice.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 09:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn duc and diesel are flying, keep it up

matt, you back out there?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 09:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

last night was brutal

ran 3miles in 23mins that morning at 5am and then i tried to finish up the last threee last night....took me 26mins because i walked the last 1/2mile.

after that, i downed my protein shake and fell into a low blood sugar attack. left calf is tight as all hell today also


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn i forgot about your diabetes. are you type 1 or 2?

or am i tripping and youre neither? \:\) ha


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 02:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah he's diabetic... not sure which though...

decided to run this afternoon... knocked out the 1.5 in 13:00, then did a brisk walk, and then some HIIT for the last 10 minutes... i managed to get about 3.5 in 30 minutes total...

i think i'll skip my run tomorrow cause i'll be playing soccer tomorrow night...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

type 1 diabetic

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

what is HIIT

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/09 04:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/09 01:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

High Intensity Interval Training...

Jog / Walk, then run... switch back and forth...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/09 02:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ahhhh

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/09 07:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

made it back to 4miles(outside running)

didnt time myself though


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/09 07:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

atta boy, stay on it! this p90x is getting fun for me and its a hell of a cardio workout.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/09 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

mapped my run on mapmyrun.com this morning and it was 4.5miles

going to run it again today and hopefully next week, i can jump up to 5miles.

within two weeks, i want to be able to run home from teh metro[new route. straight that resembles this in forms of terrain - \_/ - (straight, downhill, lil straight again, uphill, and then it levels itself off)]


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/09 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

today's results sucked ass. i guess the hills fucked me up

Date: 04/02/2009
Start Time: 06:50:00
End Time: 07:40:00
Time Taken: 00:50:00
Route: 04/02/2009 Route
Total Distance: 5.48 mi.
Workout Weight: 163.0 lbs.
Pace: 09:07 (avg)
Speed: 6.58 (mi/hr) (avg)

here's a link to the route:
http://www.mapmyrun.com/view_route?r=124123871927531204


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/09 10:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i guess that thing only works with the 3G huh...? that's pretty trick...

MurderHornetVR6
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/09 11:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First run in months tonight, 6.3 miles, 58min. I'm gonna hate life tomorrow.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
04/03/09 06:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gonna get some mad running in today after I wake up.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/09 08:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DieZel
i guess that thing only works with the 3G huh...? that's pretty trick...


nah. i wrote down what time i started running efore i left the house and as soon as i finished i wrote the time down again. then i went to the mapmyrun website and mapped my run completely and it calculated everything for me(elevation using their satellite as well)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/09 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20* and snowing here in TN. WTF.

-Matt


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/09 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did 3.75 miles on the treadmill today while doing HIIT... i was running at 8.5 on a 5% incline, and then walking at 4mph on the same incline... that's brutal... running uphill is a literal ass kicker...

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/09 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats

going to do a 4.5miler from the subway to my house friday


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/09 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

back to running as of monday..been taking it easy this whole week

tried running that 4.5miler yesterday and noticed that either i severely fucked up something in my calves or by running a 3miler(23mins) on tues, 4.5miler on wed, and a 5.5miler(50mins outside) on thursday during the week before overworked my calves.....


DieZel
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/09 07:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i got on the tread this afternoon and set it for a decent jog of 6.5mph...

i just wanted to do my 1.5 mile, when i hit 2, i still felt good so kept going to 3...

finished up at 3.25 in 30 minutes... i could have kept going too... i was proud of myself... that's the longest distance i've jogged in my life EVER...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/09 08:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats

Rob Digi Digi
(Jr Poster)
04/15/09 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wuddup guys.

Just an update on my cardio. Not sure if you remeber, but a few months ago I was posting about constant shin splints and was running 3-4 miles 5x a week. Well, here we are now, 5 months later, pain free and running 6 miles daily, just about 10k. Addicted to running now \:D


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
04/20/09 05:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man! I told ya they'd be painful but go away! \:D

-Matt


I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
04/24/09 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sooo, I was entered into an impromptu 5k for charity on Thursday. My office had a team in the race and one of the runners couldn't make it so I said wtf and stepped up.

Clicked it off in 27.10 which is not to bad as far as I'm concerned. I dont run distance at all so I was surprised to even do that well. I ran with a friend who is training for a marathon so he really pushed me and increased the pace.

Might have to do this again


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/24/09 06:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that's good

i fucked up and decided to run with on eof my marathoners who work in my office...bad mistake.

female had me gasping for air hard at mile five

Gigantor - get in contact w me..i found a new route


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/09 10:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm posting this to shame myself into going faster. I did 4.2 miles in 41.09 Friday. Last year I could click off 5 miles in 40 minutes. Need to get back in shape!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/09 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it comes in time dude. no need to beat yourself up about it.

yesterday i did 5miles in 45minutes. my legs felt like bricks, my body hurt, and my feet were hitting the ground like i was dropping cement BUT you know what the good thing about it all was

1. i didnt stop running thru the whole thing
2. all the naysayers who talk shit about me running couldnt even keep up with me for a half-mile
3. it felt fucking good afterwards

like i said man...it comes with time and you will make it back if you stay w it

-take care


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/09 05:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man, I'll get there. Fatty just needs to run more though.

I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
04/28/09 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fucking right. It was like 30 degrees here, so I went down to the waterfront after work to check out some tail and go for a short run.

I just got into a grove a clicked off 6.4k in under 40 minutes. Its the farthest I've ever run before, and it was a pretty easy run really.

Gonna be hurting tomorrow though for sure.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/09 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

been doing some running as of late. just some cross training. running is so lame. LOL

i prefer cycling.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/09 08:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea, you're one of those fuckers taht gigantor yells at while running

cyclists hate runners
runners can't stand walkers


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/09 07:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 miles in 35:10 today, better... The hills where I run are crazy but get the heart rate up bigtime. Hills > me

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/09 08:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

started back hard running again

bike - 4miles = 11min
run - 3miles = 23mins
bike - 2miles = 6min
run - 1mile = 7.30mins

threw up in the gym as soon as i finished(had ate 6 slices of pizza 2.5hrs prior) and damn near fell into dehydration & low blood sugar attack

going for a 5mile run today here at work


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/09 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

took me 40-45mins to run 5miles today

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/09 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lawls. rode my bke to workout and we were doing a 5k "Race" lol. i havent run much at all lately so I knew i was gonna get pwned.

plus my shoes are two years old \:\(
so it started off ok, but is started to fade a bit 1.5k in..my lungs werent happy,(ive been lazy). then my lower legs and shins started to go(stupid shoes). but i kept on going. was able to pick up my pace on the back half a bit...even walked a short bit LOL pussy(had a stitch) . ended up with a 21 min time.

not bad for an off the couch 5k. get some better shoes and feel a bit better and i couldve easily hung with the dude in front of me who did 18.xx mins. first place dude who is a stick and quite good did 15 min.

5k is to far for me give me a 100-200m sprint and id destroy those fawkers.

then we swam a short 2.5k workout (with some race pace work in there). then i biked home.
i havent done much in the last month(exam time etc) so i was feeling like ass.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/09 08:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh...

I played soccer in 5 inch grass and mud yesterday, so my legs were already tired. Today, instead of playing 3 hours of pickup, we played 45 minutes and then some Korean tournament team showed up and wanted to play us. We figured we were going to get pwned, but we ended up going the full 90. Scored one of the most beautiful goals of my life, but by the end, my calves were cramping up. I'm dead now.

Definitely going to hit the water and protein hard tonight. And maybe the ibuprofen.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/09 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah...about 8-9min miles for me

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/09 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Silock

Definitely going to hit the water and protein hard tonight. And maybe the ibuprofen.
coke and chicken wings baby \:D


that sounds like it was a sick game


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/09 11:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: Silock

Definitely going to hit the water and protein hard tonight. And maybe the ibuprofen.
coke and chicken wings baby \:D


that sounds like it was a sick game


Heh... Since I posted that, I've had a dextrose+protein shake, a pint of ice cream and 8 taco bell supreme tacos. Feeling a bit better now.

It was definitely fun. Some of those Koreans were whiners, though. Look, dude... just because I'm bigger and stronger than you doesn't make it a foul if you fall down when you run into me. That was annoying.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/09 03:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol i did have dextrose and protein when i got home .

i hate diving bastards.


Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/09 05:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I sprained my toe at kickboxing again. I am beginning to think that this just isn't the sport for a spaz like me (I wasn't even kicking anything...it was an off landing during cardio conditioning, jumping over a row of bags one-footed)

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/09 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Why are you kickboxing with a pulled groin?

Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/09 05:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Because I am hardcore like that!

Seriously though...jogging and jumping, punching and light kneeing don't bother it that much (I don't do any hanging bag kicking right now because it's bothers me). It's more during things like heavy leg press, squats, ab work, etc.
I don't want to put all of my activities on hold...I generally take it easy on things I know will aggravate it.

ie. I did some of the jogging during warm up, but no jogging with knees up, etc. Changed up the abs at the end of the workout to something I knew wouldn't hurt, but still challenged. I can still do planks and regular crunches.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you still have to watch it though...

Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh I will! I am off to the clinic tomorrow so hopefully they can help me out. I hate having to take forced breaks

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 07:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ya it does suck, but for an injury like that...its better to be off now than really fawk it up and be off for a longer period later down the road.

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just wondering what do you all runners carry with you when you are out for a run?
iPod? bottle of water? nothing?


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 10:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
just wondering what do you all runners carry with you when you are out for a run?
iPod? bottle of water? nothing?


I have a fanny pack looking thing with a quick remove water bottle. Essential for longer runs. Wish I could carry more...


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/09 11:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
just wondering what do you all runners carry with you when you are out for a run?
iPod? bottle of water? nothing?


I never carried water. I always hydrate well before-hand and then drink about 1L of water about 20 minutes before I exercise. I generally don't need water during my exercise doing that... but I do have to pee.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/09 12:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

for running i never carried liquid(though its a good idea if you can) cause when riding or swimming i drink during.

i carry my ipod when i run


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/09 06:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
just wondering what do you all runners carry with you when you are out for a run?
iPod? bottle of water? nothing?


not a goddamn thing except for what i'm wearing


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/09 10:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.1 miles in 45.5 minutes today on a very hilly course. My bro was pushing me.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/09 07:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that's good man

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/09 06:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big collo-rah-rah
that's good man


Thanks man, getting my legs back. Might end up faster this year than last year, I suppose that's the goal.

Today I went 4.2 in 37:20. First mile was 9 minutes flat and the second was 7:20, it was downhill after that. Literally because the elevation changes on the 2nd mile were pretty bad.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/09 10:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that's one of the hardest things for me to do(timing my runs)

as long as you have fun running, that's all that counts for me. it's a big stress reliever(hence me running 4/5miles on my lunch hour at work)


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/09 10:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big collorado
that's one of the hardest things for me to do(timing my runs)

as long as you have fun running, that's all that counts for me. it's a big stress reliever(hence me running 4/5miles on my lunch hour at work)


I have a Garmin 301, scored for about $100. Best thing besides an MP3 player you could have for running. I'd love an all in one unit, GPS, heart monitor and MP3 player with bluetooth headphones. They probably make it. Its probably $$$$.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/09 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5miles
8.24 per mile

42mins total



i need to speed up


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 07:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just ran 7 miles \:\)

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

gonna push for that type of mieage in a week DW

i keep hearing people say that if you can run 7, then you can easily run 10


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah once i get over 5 miles i feel like i can go forever. the only thing that keeps me from 10+ is boredom and the heat out here!

I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
05/12/09 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did 6km on top of 5km last night. I've been able to do some decent distances lately. 6km tonight was a personal best distance by a long shot.

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 07:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just came back from a run. it's my first official outdoor run and i really have no clue how far i ran, i ran around 40 minutes or so (mixture of running, splint and jogging)

i am so pump right now


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 07:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished spin class. Fucking love it.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/12/09 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've got a couple of running questions, there's a 5k this weekend and I'm not sure if I should run in it.

I do the 5k on the treadmill almost everyday in about 28min with a warm up and cool down. I've ran outside a few times and it seems alittle easier.

Are those times good enough to run in it?? I really have no idea what to expect.

Will running with other people around help push me to keep up??


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 09:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes. I guarantee other people will be slower than you.

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/09 10:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You'll be mid pack with that kind of time. Go for it!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/09 07:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you'll be ok mike. just try to have fun doing it

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/09 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7.12miles today

8.25mile pace.

looks like 4mile runs are now a thing of the past


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/09 06:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

great work everybody. nice 7+ ty. how did it feel?

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/09 07:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
great work everybody. nice 7+ ty. how did it feel?


it was ok because i seemed to not lose my pace while running.

currently i was running 6miles at a 8.24 per mile pace. yesterday i completed the 7miles in the same pace.

next wednesday i will try 8miles because the the section where i will be adding a miles is on the capitol lawn and it's flat and even.


after i got done w the run.....i wasnt good for shit the rest of the day. i just wanted to ball up in a corner and go to sleep.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/09 08:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

a proper training schedule will have varying distances...short, shorter, middle , long etc.

not just going up and up...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 06:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
a proper training schedule will have varying distances...short, shorter, middle , long etc.

not just going up and up...


dude...STFU

post your training schedule


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 07:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What does that have to do with anything?

He's right.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Silock
What does that have to do with anything?

He's right.


i know but i am going to vary my distances during the week. 7 today, 6 on monday, 8 on wednesday of next week.

just asking what is his training schedule and where is he at because i always see him criticizing people's workout plans. sort of like what's his credentials


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What's your goal, Duc? IMO, you should have one so you know what to tailor your training schedule around.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

distance, distance, and more distance basically. just running til i actually hit a breaking point. pushing my body til it shuts down

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Goddammit, Duc. You are so fucking retarded sometimes.

iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
distance, distance, and more distance basically. just running til i actually hit a breaking point. pushing my body til it shuts down


you might want to re-consider that...don't train till your body shuts down


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 08:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: iamfob
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
distance, distance, and more distance basically. just running til i actually hit a breaking point. pushing my body til it shuts down


you might want to re-consider that...don't train till your body shuts down


i'm just at a point to where i want to keep challenging my body(my body looks alot better than it did 2months ago since i got into weight training along w running)

last year my goal i completed was running 32miles in one week. that showed me that if i put my mind to something, there is no limit to what i can't do.

got back into running about a month and a half ago. started out at 4miles and now i'm 7miles in an hour w no problem


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7.15miles 1hr 5mins

Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 01:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was actually able to walk for 1/2 an hour without my groin bothering me today

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/09 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: iamfob
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
distance, distance, and more distance basically. just running til i actually hit a breaking point. pushing my body til it shuts down


you might want to re-consider that...don't train till your body shuts down


i'm just at a point to where i want to keep challenging my body(my body looks alot better than it did 2months ago since i got into weight training along w running)

last year my goal i completed was running 32miles in one week. that showed me that if i put my mind to something, there is no limit to what i can't do.

got back into running about a month and a half ago. started out at 4miles and now i'm 7miles in an hour w no problem


That's different than running until you collapse.

Set a goal like that now. Push it up to 40 miles in a week. Build a routine around that until you reach your goal. THEN set a new one. Don't just run until you can't. That's stupid.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/16/09 09:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished my first 5k, 27:09. Not to bad for my first one, I wanted to be under 30. I would have been alittle quicker but my shoelace came untied about half way through. There were 2 good sized hills and I've never really ran hills before.

All in all it was a great time, and I'm already signing up for another one in a few weeks.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/09 10:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
Just finished my first 5k, 27:09. Not to bad for my first one, I wanted to be under 30. I would have been alittle quicker but my shoelace came untied about half way through. There were 2 good sized hills and I've never really ran hills before.

All in all it was a great time, and I'm already signing up for another one in a few weeks.

Great time for a first 5k! And now you know that when they call a race "Fast and flat", they're lying


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/09 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats dude. i still have yet tried any organized races. call it fear or anxiety.....just haven't tried

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/09 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 miles this morning \:\)

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/09 08:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1.6 tonight. Trying to get back into it now that college/graduation is over for good. I apologize to all you other runners, Ive been super slack as of late.

-Matt


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/09 10:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you piece of shit. jk. welcome back!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/17/09 10:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

trying to hit 8miles by friday.

my schedule will be 7-7-8(mon/wed/fri)

wish me luck


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/18/09 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7miles 1hr3mins today

will try the 8 miles on wednesday and friday if i push it


I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
05/19/09 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What earphones are you guys using? I havent been able to find a pair I like yet. Ear buds dont stay in my ear well enough, and the pair of JVC I just picked up are uncomfortable as hell

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/09 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

none dude. just the sound of nature passing by my ears

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/09 07:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

a good pair of buds will have different size "pads" or inserts or whatever you want to call them. size accordingly.

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/09 07:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ryantsi2
What earphones are you guys using? I havent been able to find a pair I like yet. Ear buds dont stay in my ear well enough, and the pair of JVC I just picked up are uncomfortable as hell


I use Sony S2 Sports Street Style Stereo Headphones - MDR-G57G. Over the ear, behind the head kind. Don't have to worry about them slipping out of my ear, fantastic sound and still let you hear some outside noise that's important (like car horns or bike guys yelling that they're coming up behind you).


I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
05/19/09 09:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
a good pair of buds will have different size "pads" or inserts or whatever you want to call them. size accordingly.


Doesn't work for me. The medium is a little to small and the large is to big


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/09 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.1 miles today in 46 min. Still not where I want to be. Gotta get my ass out of bed on Saturday mornings for some longer runs.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 05:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

feeling 8 today

will check back in after 1pm with times


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

SUCKS!!!!!

made it 7 out of 9miles in great fucking pace before my body just fucking gave out


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You need a schedule, dude. Grats on 7, though.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 05:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dude, i've been rocking 7 for two weeks now.

miscalculated that 8 and it ended up really being a little over 9


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 10:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i ran 25 minutes tonight after lifting. i felt great but i have no idea how many miles I ran.

how do you guys keep track how many miles you run each time?


I Live In Canada
(Post Master Sr)
05/20/09 10:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

mapmyrun

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/09 11:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
a proper training schedule will have varying distances...short, shorter, middle , long etc.

not just going up and up...


dude...STFU

post your training schedule


oh whoa missed this.

Im 100% correct. But keep going long all the time everyday...and see how far you get lol burned out lol injuries. dumbass


iamfob
(Post Master Supreme)
05/21/09 08:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ryantsi2
mapmyrun


thanks, that's a wicked website!!! bookmarked \:\)


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/21/09 08:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The good: 6.25 miles today
The bad: 1h 4m
The ugly: Hills suck, ran a crazy hill course, I need to get pics of it.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/26/09 07:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

easy little 21 minute 3 miler this am \:\)

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/09 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalkCCSN
easy little 21 minute 3 miler this am \:\)


25m 4s to 3.1 miles today so you beat me. However it was on my "top of the mountain" run, 250ft+ uphill (then down) in less than a mile. Finished 5.0 at 45 minutes (deaded...)


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/09 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 5.5miles this morning. took me 40mins but i've noticed a few things

the 7.2mile route near my job is primarily all flat thus resulting in sub 1hr times. the 4.4mile route by my apartment has various elevation changes where it is 60% uphill and 40% downhill and i've noticed that impacts my time more than i anticipated to where it ends up taking the same amount of time as running the 7mile route.


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/09 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
ran 5.5miles this morning. took me 40mins but i've noticed a few things

the 7.2mile route near my job is primarily all flat thus resulting in sub 1hr times. the 4.4mile route by my apartment has various elevation changes where it is 60% uphill and 40% downhill and i've noticed that impacts my time more than i anticipated to where it ends up taking the same amount of time as running the 7mile route.


Hills suck but are awesome to boost your cardio.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
05/31/09 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After seeing mom and me run a few marathons, ect., my 6 year old and I ran our first mile together today. Fun times, and he loves it! Not bad, he did a 12 minute mile after having a baseball and football game yesterday!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/09 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

woo-hoo back on track

6miles = 50mins


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/09 08:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 miles in 43 minutes today on a hill run. Getting better, it hurt though, heart rate was up over 170-175+ for half the run.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/09 09:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wth...what happened to the runners??

going on a 5-6.5 miler today for lunch


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/09 06:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Short run today, 3.1 miles in 25 flat. I did the first mile in 6:44 then tapered off.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/09 06:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 5 today before the humidity caught up with my ass on mile 4.5

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/09 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.1 miles in 24m 30s today. Getting faster!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/11/09 07:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

way to go dude

i may go down in my mileage

starting to get pains in my calf region


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/09 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
way to go dude

i may go down in my mileage

starting to get pains in my calf region


How many miles on your shoes? I've heard time for new ones after 300.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/09 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dude, i've lost count. i think around 200 or so

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
07/12/09 09:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot!!!! Not bad for a quick,but hilly 5k.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/09 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fucking congrats dude

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/09 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice, dude!

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
07/12/09 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys!

Especially Silock, I've been listening to his Act Accordingly mix every 5k I run. I know it's time to kick it in high gear when I hear the begining of Space Hopper by Alex Metric.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/09 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hehe! I have a bunch of new mixes coming soon... as soon as the summer semester is over.

wolfsburg2
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/09 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In dc for work and I have been motivated to run despite sucking at it. I ran 2 miles one morning then 3.2, down to the Washington monument and back to the hotel. 3.2 is 2.2more thAn I've done on a long time. I am going to get In a few more INS befor we head home.

dirtydante
(Post Master Sr)
07/29/09 01:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 3.5 miles in 24:45 last week

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/09 09:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I need to get back in on this. I havent been running (save for 1 jog every 2 weeks) since January really. I was in such a groove last year, knocking 7 minutes off of my 5k time and now Ive got ~10lbs of fat covering up my previous progress. Its getting cold once again and Im just not motivated but I know I NEED to do it. Freakin' sucks. \:\( HALP!

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/09 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I need to get back in on this. I havent been running (save for 1 jog every 2 weeks) since January really. I was in such a groove last year, knocking 7 minutes off of my 5k time and now Ive got ~10lbs of fat covering up my previous progress. Its getting cold once again and Im just not motivated but I know I NEED to do it. Freakin' sucks. \:\( HALP!



Find a local running club - if you can't find one, make one! nothing motivates like a group.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/10 09:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Let's get this back up to the top.

-matt


Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/10 09:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I almost purchased the Nike free shoes this weekend, silock ran in them and liked them.

Anyone have them and really put some miles into them?


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/10 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah, Im in Asics Gel Kayano 14


-Matt


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/10 08:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my second run in these....an easy 5 miler. Did 6.2 a couple days before as well. I love em.



Also did my best effort in the pool last night...50 laps/2500 yards in 50 minutes. The swim in my tri will be no problem.


Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/10 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm on Week 1, day 2 of Couch to 5k.

I've been running consistently for a few weeks now, but just decided to start this program. I was tempted to start on week 3 or so, but I'm gonna let the program work itself out.

My pace for the C25K program are 3.8 (fast as I can walk without jogging) and 6.5 on a treadmill. The minutes per mile looks weak due to the warmups and cooldowns. I was just recently able to run a consistent 6.0 without stopping for an entire mile. I have a long way to go, but I'm enjoying running a lot lately.



Edit: I'm running with Nike Free's, but I'm not sure how different they are since I don't really have anything to compare them to. I do like them, but they are kinda loud (visually), even for the plainest looking ones.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/10 07:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job dude. The couch to 5k programs are great.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/10 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 mile run this morning.

Rain most of the day, so looks like my cycling tonight will be on the trainer. Indoor intervals FTW (good workout) and FTL (fucking painful).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/10 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Didn't get to run this morning...too many appointments. I did swim 2k yards last night though. Tomorrow I drive the kids up north, but I'm bringing my bike so my dad and I can do 1 or 2 nice long rides, a few runs and a few swims too.

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/10 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Only 2 more weeks until I get to start running again! Yay!

Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/10 05:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Good job dude. The couch to 5k programs are great.

Thanks man!

I got on the treadmill today and realized that I hadn't synced my ipod with the Couch to 5k audio, so I just winged it.

Ran at 5.5, walked 5 minutes at 3.8, ran 1 mile at 6.0, then a cooldown.



WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/10 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Short 2.11 mile run today, but fuck it's hot. 90+ degrees. Oh, and god bless crushed limestone trails; no more asphalt running for me. Now maybe my feet won't hurt so damn bad.

Glad I found this trail, not only for the limestone, but for the hills too. Nothing crazy grade-wise, but more than enough to get a burn in the legs. I'm going to hit up the trail again tomorrow, can't wait!!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/24/10 09:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 miles this morning. I'm still not fast, but I'm creeping under 9:00/mile. Got the four miles in at 8:53/mile.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
06/24/10 09:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just started running recently, did a 5k this morning @ 28mins.

Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/10 07:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Starting Week 3 of Couch to 5k this morning.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/10 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6 miles on Saturday - it was stupid hot and hard to finish

4 miles today - probably high 60's when we went out and all around perfect


Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/10 09:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally was able to run through a Couch to 5k session. I normally run the fast parts and walk the slow ones, but I was able to run at 5.0 and 6.5 for the entire duration today.

I'm down 37 pounds from my heaviest as of this morning.


slowpoke
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/10 09:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Started week1 / day1 of c25k on Tuesday. I'm running on the highschool track. So far so good.

I'm using the iphone app, but I don't have a solid way of measuring my speed though \:\(

Doing Day 2 tonight.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/10 10:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 miles this morning. 35ish minutes

Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/05/10 09:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slowpoke
Started week1 / day1 of c25k on Tuesday.

How's your progress so far? I'm using the Nike Plus system to track my runs.. you may want to look into that if you are interested in more run data.

I started Week 4, Day 1 of C25K today. 34 minutes, 3.18 miles.

Brisk five-minute warmup walk, then:

* Jog 1/4 mile (or 3 minutes)
* Walk 1/8 mile (or 90 seconds)
* Jog 1/2 mile (or 5 minutes)
* Walk 1/4 mile (or 2-1/2 minutes)
* Jog 1/4 mile (or 3 minutes)
* Walk 1/8 mile (or 90 seconds)
* Jog 1/2 mile (or 5 minutes)


seanhpi
(Post Master Supreme)
07/06/10 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

im startin out this week hard. last week i started at the gym doing 30 mins @ 5.5 2.0 incline, and last quarter 8.5 (no breaks) making 3 miles. 2 days into it, my leg felt like it wanted to fall, hurt walking down stairs ect so i had to rest the rest.

mile at the gym 5.5mph incline 2.0. then head off to the spot i like to run (outdoors) and around is .69 miles. im just about no problem completing two laps with out a break. i do at least 3-4 laps around. first lap non stop (plus little extra distance to be about a mile run), and then i mix it up the rest of the way. day 2 today! and then i lay out in the field gettin burnt. i am so frigging red. haha


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/10 08:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

long time no post in this thread.

gearing up for another half marathon coming in October. Here's my schedule:

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src...merica/New_York

been doing 3 mile runs on M-W-F for the past few weeks after taking nearly 6 months off. Last time I ran a race was in January, and leading up to that I was dealing with some kneed and calf issues so I am focusing on strength and stretching this go-around.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/10 08:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In related news, does anyone use a garmin watch? I am looking at the 310xt or the 305. Not sure if I need the 20 hour battery and waterproofing that the 310xt gives. The 305 might suffice. I've heard you should avoid the 405.

seanhpi
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/10 01:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I did pretty good today running.

@ the gym 5.5mph incline 2.0 did a whole mile (switched it up to 6.0 last tenth just to finish) no breaks.

Went out running around the same spot I usually ago. 1 lap = .69 around. First lap I did @ right around 4 mins (no breaks, and just finally timing my self), walked a little ran a bit etc.. did a total of 4 laps and took about 35 mins. I am taking a break right now and gonna go back up and jog in a few hours again \:\)


slowpoke
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/10 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Shibby

How's your progress so far? I'm using the Nike Plus system to track my runs.. you may want to look into that if you are interested in more run data.


So far so good, wk2 day1 last night. I may pick up the nike plus.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/11/10 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7 miles late this morning. Pace was 9:10/mile. Still need to get that regularly below 9:00/miles.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/12/10 07:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woke up this morning @ 430am and ran 5k @ 26.xx

Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/10 08:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slowpoke
 Originally Posted By: Shibby

How's your progress so far? I'm using the Nike Plus system to track my runs.. you may want to look into that if you are interested in more run data.


So far so good, wk2 day1 last night. I may pick up the nike plus.

Did week 5, run 1 yesterday without much drama. A lot of people that do the C25K flame out in week 4 or 5, so I'm excited that I'm still on track.

The week5, run 3 is the first run without any intervals.

CG: Good work, running for an hour straight is pretty impressive.


Krys
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/10 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

w2d3 for me tomorrow. I think slowpoke will be on w3d1. I was out of the country last week and missed a day \:\( I suck so bad at running, but am determined to do this.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/14/10 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried to run 5 miles yesterday in high humidity 93 degree weather.... about died.... made it to 3.75 in 33 mins.

Krys
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/10 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ugh. It's been hot here, but thankfully not super humid (although lately, it has been pretty humid for DFW). I couldn't do it in high humidity. I can't wait til it cools down. I think I might actually enjoy it then \:D

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/10 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 5miles yesterday and got caught in a rainstorm with the dog

going to push out 3 or 4 with her today.

i don't think my dog was too prepared to run that long of a distance yesterday


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/19/10 09:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 5k run on Sunday. Terrible humidity, finished in 24.14, PR.

My calves hurt...


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/19/10 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 miles at a 9:10 pace on Saturday

Was supposed to be in a bike race on Sunday but got rained out


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/10 02:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my sprint routine today. I'm gassed.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/10 02:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

giddyup - 3miles tonight and I'm starting to get psyched about running again.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/22/10 07:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a shit run. Woke @ 4:30 and ran 3.5 miles in 31 mins. Calves sore....

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/26/10 07:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got done running 5 miles in 40 mins. Felt like a good run, might have been able to cut 1 min out... zoned out for a little.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/10 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did 4 on monday night and 3 last night. starting to get beyond the first few weeks of running where I feel like shit during the run. Things felt good Monday night and good again last night. Looking forward to when things feel great.

Anyone on dailymile?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/10 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 monday w the dog. 5 yesteray without the dog...may do 2-3 today

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
07/29/10 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Knocked out 3 mile this morning in 25 mins. Got a stitch though...stupid breathing....

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/10 10:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I cut the shit out of my leg crashing my bike on Monday. Deep cut with stitches at two levels right around the back of the knee.

Can't run or ride until it stops fucking hurting. Luckily didn't sever anything important, so I should be able to get back on track for my September half marathon.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/10 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sucks!

Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/10 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
I cut the shit out of my leg crashing my bike on Monday. Deep cut with stitches at two levels right around the back of the knee.

Can't run or ride until it stops fucking hurting. Luckily didn't sever anything important, so I should be able to get back on track for my September half marathon.

Are you RyanSTL on Nikeplus?

If so,



Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/10 03:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Shibby
 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
I cut the shit out of my leg crashing my bike on Monday. Deep cut with stitches at two levels right around the back of the knee.

Can't run or ride until it stops fucking hurting. Luckily didn't sever anything important, so I should be able to get back on track for my September half marathon.

Are you RyanSTL on Nikeplus?

If so,




Yes. This is going to cost me at least 20 miles before the end of that challenge.


Shibby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/10 05:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're probably still fine, I'm only running about 10 miles a week. Sorry to hear about your injury though, get better soon.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/02/10 08:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My left calf has been sore since my last run so I did a 20 mile ride on the bike. Not sure whats up.....

Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a 5k this weekend. Last one I did I ran at a 7:2x Pace. Hopefully going for a 7:1x something pace. We'll see.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
My left calf has been sore since my last run so I did a 20 mile ride on the bike. Not sure whats up.....


after getting injured late last year (right knee, left calf), I've come to learn that the area of pain a lot of times is not the area of injury. Case in point, my right knee pain was a combo of tightness in the glute and weak hamstrings.

for my calf it ended up again being a hamstring issue.

Best thing to do is get yourself a foam roller and work your legs a few times a week - calf, hamstring, quad and glute.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like The Stick, too. Although, I do a lot of foam rolling and yoga, too.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Drew Fairymore
I like The Stick, too. Although, I do a lot of foam rolling and yoga, too.


yeah, the stick is good, but it's pricier and i find I can't get the same "grind" with the stick as I can with my bodyweight on the foam roller.

the stick: http://www.amazon.com/Stick-17-5-Self-Ma...80861151&sr=8-7

you should be able to find a foam roller for around $15 locally


Also, a tennis ball or better yet a softball is great to work specific knots and break up your sore muscles.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 01:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I just like The Stick because I can roll places that are difficult to roll with a foam roller. Plus, it fits in a suitcase for travel.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/03/10 02:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Will have to try a roller.
Not sure what's caused it. Mild strain maybe....


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 02:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whatever you end up using just stick with it. the time to use a foam roller is not when you're already injured, but before you ever get injured.


think of it as preventative...


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/10 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

so I finally got a garmin training watch, the 305 (was on sale at amazon for 143 with the HR monitor).

well... the 3mile course that I thought was 3 miles turns out to be only 2.91 - dirty fuckers.

ran the route today in 26:32 - by no means Kenyan speed but the fastest since coming off my 6 month hiatus 3 weeks ago.

the 2hr half marathon in October is in my sights again!


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/04/10 07:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How was your stamina? Just wondering cause I have a 4 miler on the 14th. Hoping my calf heals by then...

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/10 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
How was your stamina? Just wondering cause I have a 4 miler on the 14th. Hoping my calf heals by then...


it was good, but I went out too fast per usual.

your calf will be fine for a 4 miler on the 14th provided you do some stretching and foam rolling.

take a couple days off too - you don't want to make if fully cramp or it'll take a while to loosen up.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/04/10 10:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I do the same.... and end up sucking wind later.

I've done some mild stretching but it stills aches....

I havent run since it happened last Thursday.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/10 10:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Yeah, I do the same.... and end up sucking wind later.

I've done some mild stretching but it stills aches....

I havent run since it happened last Thursday.


RICE is your friend right now then - Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation

get an ace bandage and wrap your calf tightly (not to the point of cutting off circulation, but strong enough that you feel the compression). Then elevate it on a coffee table / pillow on top of a gallon ziplock filled with ice. Keep it up for 20 min on / 20 min off three times. Try to do this at night.

also take an aleve once in the morning then again at night, 12 hours apart, for a few days to get on top of any inflamation that might be in the muscle.

then in the morning do some good stretching.

There are two muscles groups in your calf, and 9 times out of 10 people only stretch the gastroc, not the soleus.

#4 and #5 on this site show you how to stretch both of them: http://www.halhigdon.com/15Ktraining/Stretch.htm

here's another site with other good running stretches: http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/staying-healthy/the-rw-complete-guide-to-stretching/484.html


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/04/10 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Will give this all a shot tonight. Thx for the heads up.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/10 06:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

feeling like I am finally getting back into the groove, and the cooler temps are helping. I fucking hate running in heat/humidity.

ran 4.5 miles at an 8:54 average pace last night and it felt good.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/13/10 07:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Heat suck but the humidity just kills any hope for a decent run for me.

Went out last night for an easy run just to see how the calf was. Did 2.5 miles in 23 mins. Still have a lingering pain.... not 100%. And on Sat have a 4 mile race.... Not sure if I should even bother.....


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/13/10 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you'll be fine, just don't push it too hard. have you been doing everything I said above? RICE, stretching, etc?

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/13/10 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep and it's much better than before, just not back to normal.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/13/10 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Yep and it's much better than before, just not back to normal.


yeah, it's not an overnight fix, but running will help it too - 4 miles is not too far, just take it slow and if you have to stop halfway and stretch it


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/13/10 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think that how it happened in the first place. I usually dont stretch or warm up for a run or after... just start running.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/13/10 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

stretching before isn't really all that important, unless you're running in cold temps. Even then a slow mile up front is enough of a warm up.

but it's critical to do some stretching afterward - you'll recover better and drastically reduce your chance of injury.


try to make it a point to spend a good 15 minutes stretching after you run. Hold each stretch for 20-30 seconds. Try to do it soon after you run.

It's also a good idea to stretch in the AM if you have problem spots. Start with a little movement (active stretching, like swinging your legs front to back and side-to-side across the front of your body) then do some passive stretches.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/14/10 09:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sooo i did it. It was humid as balls and the course was full of rolling hills. My calf started to ache about a mile or two in. Finished 4 miles in 35.45.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/14/10 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck me. After about two weeks off due to a bike wreck and trying to run in shitty heat and humidity, I'm a good 40 seconds per mile slower than I was before my wreck. I was supposed to run 9 miles today and called it quits after 5. I'll do a few extra miles in the morning.

This sucks though. I was really progressing nicely for my first half marathon in September. I think I'll get in shape to finish, but sub 2 hours may be out of the question now.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 07:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Sooo i did it. It was humid as balls and the course was full of rolling hills. My calf started to ache about a mile or two in. Finished 4 miles in 35.45.


Nice work man! Just stay on top of the stretching and you will be 100% before you k ow it.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 07:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Fuck me. After about two weeks off due to a bike wreck and trying to run in shitty heat and humidity, I'm a good 40 seconds per mile slower than I was before my wreck. I was supposed to run 9 miles today and called it quits after 5. I'll do a few extra miles in the morning.

This sucks though. I was really progressing nicely for my first half marathon in September. I think I'll get in shape to finish, but sub 2 hours may be out of the question now.


If it's your first half don't go out with a time goal. If you set a two hour goal but you don't hit it you'll be bummed that you missed your target and forget all about the fact that you just ran farther than you probably ever have before, which is an accomplishment all on it's own.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/16/10 08:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

[/quote]
Nice work man! Just stay on top of the stretching and you will be 100% before you know it. [/quote]

Scratch that, my actual time was 34.44. Guees I didnt pay attention crossing the line. Not tooo shabby. In other news, legs sore, story @ 11.


slowpoke
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 08:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 2 for 20:30 friday night. 5 weeks ago i couldnt even run 1 lap without feeling like my heart was going to explode.

My trainer gave me a new running program and i started it last night. My 880's are about 4:30, that is the baseline. I can't wait to see what we get them down to.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 09:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
 Quote:

Nice work man! Just stay on top of the stretching and you will be 100% before you know it.


Scratch that, my actual time was 34.44. Guees I didnt pay attention crossing the line. Not tooo shabby. In other news, legs sore, story @ 11.


most important question - did you remember to stretch after the 4 miles?


 Originally Posted By: slowpoke
I ran 2 for 20:30 friday night. 5 weeks ago i couldnt even run 1 lap without feeling like my heart was going to explode.

My trainer gave me a new running program and i started it last night. My 880's are about 4:30, that is the baseline. I can't wait to see what we get them down to.


that is awesome man! definitely good progress. It's a great feeling when you go from run/walk mode to full on run for a couple miles. Keep it up!




I did the longest run of my training so far on Saturday - 8 miles in around 1:16 - right hip is a little sore, but it felt good overall. got the half coming up in 7 weeks so baring any injury I should do just fine. Mid-week runs are creeping up to the 5 mile distances, and the long runs on the weekends will be building up to 11 miles between now and the race.

It's nice to be excited about running again.


are any of you guys on dailymile.com?


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/16/10 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah. I should really start tracking my mileage.....

Yep I stretched but not very long.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

get on dailymile and I'll be your friend :-)

damn you for not stretching enough! do it man, you gotta stay on top of it or it'll ruin your running


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/16/10 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know. \:\(

I'll give dailymile a look see.....


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/10 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

when you sign up just be my buddy here - http://www.dailymile.com/people/MattA

it's a great site for motivation


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/10 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Funny how when you run alot, you get faster. \:D


Last night (the day after my race) I went out and did a 10k in 54:45. That's a pretty big improvement for someone who used to average 10 minute miles.

Even better is the fact that I can now do a 25:00 5k.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/10 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

a wise man once said the only way to run faster is to run faster...

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/19/10 08:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Getting ready for a 5k in 2 weeks so I went for a quick run last night after work. Knocked out 2.5 miles in 19.23. Was going to try for 3 even, but calf started up again so I called it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 01:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a fantastic brick workout tonight. Ran 2.7 miles down to the bay where the wife and kids met me with my wetsuit, and I did a mile open water swim.

Run time was 21:37 or 8:00 pace, which is the fastest I've run in pretty much forever. Swim was great too...did the distance in 29:00.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 08:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Was supposed to run 6 miles last night. Probably ran about 5.25 - not sure since my Nike+ decided not to work, but I know I did not run long enough to cover all 6 miles. Just didn't feel 100% and more than likely that was because it was about 90 degrees out.

I need to get back to running in the morning - I always feel so much better when I do it first thing.

Hopefully going to get in 9 or 10 miles tomorrow. Three weeks to my first half marathon.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 09:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cheesey - which half is it?

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chicago Rock & Roll Half on Sep. 12

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good times! I hear the RnR series are a lot of fun.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 10:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
good times! I hear the RnR series are a lot of fun.

Oops. I take that back. Its not the RnR. I knew that but had a brain fart. The RnR was earlier this month.

http://www.chicagohalfmarathon.com/


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/20/10 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
good times! I hear the RnR series are a lot of fun.

Oops. I take that back. Its not the RnR. I knew that but had a brain fart. The RnR was earlier this month.

http://www.chicagohalfmarathon.com/


well then this will be an utter ghetto fiasco.

i kid - it'll still be fun.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
08/20/10 07:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Swim was great too...did the distance in 29:00.




I can run a 7:15ish pace for a marathon, but the swimming part has me so far away from doing an Ironman \:\(


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/10 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Longest run to date today - 9 miles. Pace was not terrible at 9:36/mile. The last mile and a half were tough - the last couple of hills I didn't feel like I was recovering as I crested them and came down the other side, so I walked for a bit to get my heart rate back down.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/10 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

holy shit mayor mccheese - I did 9.3 in 1:29:11 (9:35 pace) today.

I KICKED YOUR ASS!


:-)


oh yeah, and this was my warm-up!





ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/23/10 08:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woke up this morning @ 430 and knocked out 3 miles in 24.20. Need to start working on my speed.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/10 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am going to do a quick recovery run in the rain tonight - feels like a hurricane out there right now

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
08/23/10 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whatcha training for?

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/10 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

half marathon on Oct. 3rd and another on November 14th.

oh, and also training so I don't die a fatty.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/10 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have no idea how far or fast I can run right now . . . but after playing soccer every damn day, I can safely say that I am back to being fucking fast as shit.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/10 03:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nipple chafing FTL

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/10 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Nipple chafing FTL




Garest
(Post Master Sr)
08/24/10 11:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.04KM completed
Time:36:57
Pace Avg 7:06/KM
Speed: 8.44km/h

Fucking first time doing it, all last week i'd hit like 4.8K and nearly pass out in the middle of the road.
running at night is so werid, i just blew past the usual spot where i'd gas during the day like it was goin out of style!


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/10 08:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Garest
5.04KM completed
Time:36:57
Pace Avg 7:06/KM
Speed: 8.44km/h

Fucking first time doing it, all last week i'd hit like 4.8K and nearly pass out in the middle of the road.
running at night is so werid, i just blew past the usual spot where i'd gas during the day like it was goin out of style!



you have a funny way of measuring distance.

but nice work on stretching out the run!


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/10 10:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.08 miles last night - did it in 44:31, so I averaged 8:45/mile. I think that's the fastest 5 miles I've ever run!

Garest
(Post Master Sr)
08/26/10 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

God damn 8Kilometers
i got a long way to go


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/10 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just bought another stick of

I love this stuff


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/10 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:


I can run a 7:15ish pace for a marathon, but the swimming part has me so far away from doing an Ironman


lol, I think it's safe to say I'm a much better swimmer than runner.

Although, I'm happy to say that I'm well under 9 minute miles for all of my longer runs now, and have even dipped under 8 for my 5k's.


I love BodyGlide too.....I use it on my armpits where my wetsuit tends to chafe, as well as inside my shoes that tend to chafe on long runs.
Just picked up another stick of it as well....but the new version with sunscreen built in.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
08/28/10 10:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
 Quote:


I can run a 7:15ish pace for a marathon, but the swimming part has me so far away from doing an Ironman


lol, I think it's safe to say I'm a much better swimmer than runner.

Although, I'm happy to say that I'm well under 9 minute miles for all of my longer runs now, and have even dipped under 8 for my 5k's.


Should be interesting seeing how much the new bike helps you too!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/10 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...I'm looking forward to that! I average 19mph on my normal route that's anywhere from 20-50 miles....but that's with a normal 20+ mph headwind the whole way back. I was able to stay aero 99% of the time on the old bike, but I'm hoping to see a bit of improvement with the more aggressive position.



Had a fantastic run tonight...one of those that just felt easy and like everything was right in the world. Even better was the fact that I did 9 miles at a 8:58 pace....and it wasn't a struggle at all.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/10 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fuckity fuck fuck it is hot and nasty outside. Just did 5.19 in 45:50 - I thought for sure I was running in +10m/mile range, but no! I did much better than that!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/10 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice...it's always awesome to find out you were running faster than you thought.


I'm tired as hell this morning. Did a 1 mile open water swim, followed immediately with a 7 mile run. Didn't plan on going that far, but it felt pretty damn good.

Did the swim in 28 minutes, and averaged a 9:10 pace on the run.


slowpoke
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/10 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well,

Im up to 3 miles now... \:D


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/10 09:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

slowpoke that is awesome. and I must say you're getting into longer distances at just the right time. I find that running in cooler weather makes the runs way more enjoyable, so extend your distance as we pull through Fall. you'll be calling yourself a runner in no time. keep it up.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/10 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 mile run today. 9:20ish pace. Perfect weather today made it seem easy.

First half-marathon next week.


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
09/04/10 03:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

decent marathon plans anybody has used? doing whiterock in december and its probably time to start the regiment

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/10 05:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: shamrok
decent marathon plans anybody has used? doing whiterock in december and its probably time to start the regiment

Google Hal Higdon


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/06/10 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I second the Hal Higdon rec - I'm using a modified plan of his for my upcoming half.

Did todays 10 miler in 1:32 (9:04/m pace). On the run I saw 18 turkeys (first a group of three, then a second group of 15 all over the road). Also rescued a puppy that ran out after me into the street - there was an oncoming car that I had to stop before scrappy mcpuppy bolted toward me. It was interesting.

Great run though - same route as last week, but last week I stopped once for water/Gu at mile 5 and then stopped a ton thereafter - maybe 6 times in all. Today I didn't stop except for the puppy rescue and I skipped the Gu, just sipped water the whole way out of my hand bottle.

Half is on October 3rd, so I am feeling very ready for it. I'd like to get my time down though, so I gotta figure out how to go out at an even pace and turn it on for the second half. My pace splits this run were:

8:42
8:30
9:02
9:00
9:01
9:16
9:28 *puppy rescue
9:24
9:23
8:59
1:32 *only .18 miles


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/06/10 07:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did an Oktoberfest 5k this morning. It was a little rough at right around 20:10, I have to learn not to shoot out so hard on the first mile. By the 3rd I was getting a little winded.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/06/10 08:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

jesus effing christ i don't know how you guys can run that fast!

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/06/10 09:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
jesus effing christ i don't know how you guys can run that fast!


I used to do Fartlek training and track workouts earlier in year which dropped my time down quite a bit. Now I'm pretty much just focusing on longer runs and brick workouts now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/07/10 12:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a pretty good training day. Did a 26 mile ride on the new bike this morning (19mph average with a pretty strong headwind) then this afternoon did a 6.5 mile run at a 8:45 pace. This was pretty surprising since I'd eaten way too much at lunch 3 hours before and I felt pretty awful for most of it.

I'm really glad school starts this week for the kids. Now I can go back to doing my runs mid day with the baby in the jogger. That frees up my evenings for swimming or a quick bike ride. My training base is great, but I want to ramp it up in the next 2 weeks before I taper for a week before my race on the 26th.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/07/10 10:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 mile run this morning. Pace was 8:51/mile which was pretty good for me, although I cheated and stopped the timer twice while the dog took a dump and I cleaned it up - so I had a couple of breathers in there.

Also did a medium intensity 25 mile bike ride on Sunday on the road bike. Gotta get back in riding shape for my first cyclocross season.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/14/10 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First half marathon in the books! Ran the Chicago half this past Sunday. Not posting my official time as I don't want any of the resident creepers looking me up, but I finished between 2:00 and 2:10.

Ran it with my wife and really would have liked to have gotten under 2:00, but wasn't entirely expecting to. Mostly flat course and weather was perfect, but with approx. 20,000 other people there was more sideways running for the first few miles than was helpful At the 9 mile mark it seemed like 2:00 was within reach, but I was slowing down and when we hit the 10 mile mark it was going to take a personal best 5k to hit that goal. In the end, that last three miles really sucked ass but I finished without walking.

Signed up for another one in December and can hopefully shave some time off by then.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
09/19/10 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sooooo despite not running in the past month because of my calf, I ran a 5k race yesterday with the g unit. Pulled off 23.22. Not too shabby, sore though.

slowpoke
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/10 07:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9 weeks of couch to 5k training was totally worth it.

I did my first race today, 4 mile mud / obstacle course. It was pretty bad ass. I fucking busted my ass 3 different times in the mud, the mud was soo thick that my shoe would get buried and i'd bite it. Thank god for all the lunges, squat jumps and everything else i do in the gym. I rolled my ankles several times and though they are a little sore, nothing is broken / no sprain.

Anywho, my average pace is about 10 minutes a mile, i did the 4k in 44 minutes... there was alot of ponds to wade through and i had to stop and tie my shoes several times, if it wasnt for that i might have done a little better.

Before!


Final Mud Pit



10 ft from the finish line


I might have a few more pics later once the photogs start uploading their pics.

If you asked me i could have done this 1 year ago, at 340lbs i probably would of kicked you in the taint! I'm so fucking happy that i decided to turn my life around! Thanks to all of you for the support and motivation!



Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/20/10 01:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Grats man! That looks like a ton of fun!

CStyles45
(Post Master Sr)
09/20/10 03:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats slowpoke! I have the same workout shirt! LOL.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/25/10 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First cyclocross race today. Didn't expect to win or place and was happy with my mid-pack position about halfway through the race. However, I knocked my saddle a little loose while mounting the bike during the first lap, and managed to knock it clean off mounting again near the end of the second lap. Didn't have a multi-tool on me and only a four lap race, so too a did not finish in my first race.

This was just a tune-up/practice race for me. The series of races I'm interested really performing well in starts 10/6 so 1) more practice mounting the bike on the run, 2) check my saddle and seatpost tightness before I start the race, and 3) toss a multi-tool in my jersey so I can pit, repair and get back on course next time I have a mechanical.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/25/10 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What kind of cross bike do you have, I've been kicking around getting into it this year. There are races every weekend until Dec. around here. Looks super fun. What class do you race in?

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/25/10 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
What kind of cross bike do you have, I've been kicking around getting into it this year. There are races every weekend until Dec. around here. Looks super fun. What class do you race in?

I have a Surly Crosscheck that I bought a few years ago. I bought it as a complete bike and used it for the past few years as a back up road bike. Decided I was going to race cross this year so I swapped out some parts - converted the double chainring to a single, new seatpost and saddle, and a tubular wheelset. Then I attended a cross clinic two weeks ago for some work on dismounting and remounting, shouldering the bike, barriers, etc. The bike is still a bit heavy, but fine for a beginner where your equipment is probably the last thing holding you back.

I race Cat 4 since this is my first season. My fitness is decent after training and racing road this year, but my skills need a lot of work. But despite my race being shortened I had a blast. We likewise have about 1 or 2 races every weekend into early December, so I'm hoping to get a dozen or so races in this year.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/10 04:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whoohooo!!! just ran my fastest 5k of this training session - 25:36! that's fast for me. and a good confidence booster leading into this weekend's race.

oh, and it was raining like a motherfucker out there.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
09/29/10 07:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What race do you have?

Went out for a 3 mile run last night to get back in the flow, finished at 22.10. Felt pretty good afterwards. Left calf seems ok.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/29/10 09:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
whoohooo!!! just ran my fastest 5k of this training session - 25:36! that's fast for me. and a good confidence booster leading into this weekend's race.

oh, and it was raining like a motherfucker out there.

I've started working on speed again now that I'm getting shorter runs in again for a bit. Got under 27:00 for 5k yesterday for the first time. Would really like to get that under 26:00 before too long.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/29/10 10:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
What race do you have?


Portland, ME half marathon on Sunday, then a local 5 miler in mid-october, then another half in New Hampshire on Nov. 14th, then a 5k turkey tune-up the Sunday before t-day, then a 2.8mile run on t-day morning.

I just gotta find some December and January races to round out the year...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 01:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After finally getting to and finishing my first olympic tri, I'm jonesing for another one, but I failed to realize that the season is coming to an end in the next month. There is one last race next month...which is the day before my wife does her first marathon. I'm hoping she'll be cool with me doing it. Shouldn't be a big deal though.....I'll be home before noon. \:\)



I went out and did a 4 miler today, in the unusually hot and humid socal weather...and the third day after my race. The soreness was actually completely gone, but I was drained the whole rest of the day.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 07:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 mile run with the wife last night. I do not run as well after work as I do in the morning. When I was losing weight hardcore at the beginning of the year, I was up by 5:30 every morning to ride my bike on the trainer or run. I've gotten out of that habit and really need to get myself back into it.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 08:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
5 mile run with the wife last night. I do not run as well after work as I do in the morning. When I was losing weight hardcore at the beginning of the year, I was up by 5:30 every morning to ride my bike on the trainer or run. I've gotten out of that habit and really need to get myself back into it.


me too. before i moved in with my fiancee, i was usually up and out of the house around 3.30-4.30am out running 5+ miles

now that i moved in w her...that shit stopped

already logged in 10miles this week with another 15(hopefully) to go before sunday


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
whoohooo!!! just ran my fastest 5k of this training session - 25:36! that's fast for me. and a good confidence booster leading into this weekend's race.

oh, and it was raining like a motherfucker out there.


whoohoo again!! Just ran another 5k tonight and bested my previous best time by 32 seconds!! And I negative split the whole thing - 8:14, 8:10, 7:54. AND!!! first time running a sub-8 mile and it was on the last mile!!

can't wait for the half on Sunday.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 08:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice dude. I'd really like to do a standalone 5k race. Pretty sure I could beat my last PR of 24:00 from like 3 years ago.

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/10 11:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been back to running a bit on the treadmill.

Trying to get back to a sub-18 minute 5k. Ran 3 separate 5-minute intervals at a 6 min/mile pace. 2.5 minutes of 8.5 min/mile rest pace in between the intervals. Probably could have gone faster, but I forgot my inhaler, and was starting to have an asthma attack there at the end.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 06:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well fuck you sideways you fast fucking asshole

inhaler...


way to kick me when i'm feeling good about myself.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 07:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

LOL at 8.5 min/mile "rest pace" with no inhaler.

Fuck you.

\:\(


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/01/10 07:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And you've got the incline set to 10% too huh....

\:D


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 09:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
And you've got the incline set to 10% too huh....

\:D


No, it's at zero, actually lol cheater!


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 09:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
well fuck you sideways you fast fucking asshole

inhaler...


way to kick me when i'm feeling good about myself.


I gotta enjoy it while it lasts. I'm getting old \:\(


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 01:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how old are you?


...wait... don't tell me. I'll probably feel like even more of a fat, slow jerk.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/10 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

29. 30 in March.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/01/10 06:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished 5 miles in 38.30, got small blisters on both feet.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/05/10 07:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went out and had a easy pace run, did 4 mile in 32 mins. Weather was perfect....

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/10 07:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Weather was perfect....

I got dressed to run, opened the door about 6 am, got a chill and said "fuck no." Probably would have been fine, but just seemed colder than I was mentally prepared for. I guess I'll run after work.

I better get used to it because its just going to get worse.


Jacqueline Star
(Newbie)
10/05/10 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

what's more efficient, running on a treadmill or running in the park? I don't feel like running on a treadmill does anything for me at all.

I thought about running in the park, but my excuse is that I work 8-5.... so I won't be able to run until like 6:00 pm and I have to sleep around 10pm. So my excuse is that I can't work out at night because then I will be too "pumped up" to fall asleep. Do you guys that run a lot actually work f/t?

I always see people running in the park here and when I see them I think to myself that they must not have f/t jobs... Cause how can you work 8 hours a day, commute home and then still have energy and time to run? and then eat dinner? There's just no time.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/10 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Jacqueline Star
what's more efficient, running on a treadmill or running in the park? I don't feel like running on a treadmill does anything for me at all.

I thought about running in the park, but my excuse is that I work 8-5.... so I won't be able to run until like 6:00 pm and I have to sleep around 10pm. So my excuse is that I can't work out at night because then I will be too "pumped up" to fall asleep. Do you guys that run a lot actually work f/t?

I always see people running in the park here and when I see them I think to myself that they must not have f/t jobs... Cause how can you work 8 hours a day, commute home and then still have energy and time to run? and then eat dinner? There's just no time.

My wife and I both work 40+ hours per week and make time. I don't run that much at the moment though - 3-4 days per week and 30-60 minutes each time out. I throw in some cycling and weightlifting as well. I like to do my training first thing in the morning and typically get up by 5:30 on those days. My wife is the exact opposite in that she will sleep in and get her runs in after work. She lifts a couple of days a week at lunch time.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/10 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I get up at 6ish, get to work by 730/8ish, leave work at 430, get home no later than 530, eat dinner with the family, play with the kids, read stories and put them to bed by 8pm.

then I go for my run.


you can make time.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/10 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been lazy the last week. It was my reward for doing well in my triathlon. Then of course I was supposed to start back up yesterday, but we've had rain, and there's no way I'm taking the baby out in the jogging stroller.

Oh well....I still feel great, and the time off is probably doing me some good.

I'm excited though....found another olympic race to do on the 16th.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/06/10 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did another 3 miles today in 22.30. Sucking wind..... need to work on breathing.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/10 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woo-hoo. After taking almost 2 weeks off (with just one 5 mile run in the middle) after my triathlon, I went out tonight and decided to run fast...well, fast for me. Did 3.8 miles in 30:20. That's a 7:57 pace and that's unheard of for me.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/08/10 07:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried to get a run in but the body wasnt having it. Managed to squeeze out 1.25 miles in 8.39. Average of 6.54 a mile.

Hopefully Sunday is better.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/10 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cyclocross race this morning. Two weeks ago I was disappointed that I had a mechanical take me out of the race early. Today, near the end, I was praying for a mechanical - my legs were toast.

45 minutes of drilling it on the bike, in and out of technical corners, a couple of barriers to jump over on foot, and a long stretch of pavement on the back end to sprint after the guy in front of you. Exceedingly painful, but definitely fun.

My dismount needs some work though:


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/10 10:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 mile run this morning. 36ish minutes. Need to start getting some longer runs in soon for my next half in December.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/10 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

felt like a true fatty

went out to run 5miles yesterday after a week with the flu

only could make it 1.25miles before severely gassing out.

will try again once i get home


Jacqueline Star
(Newbie)
10/12/10 04:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: Jacqueline Star
what's more efficient, running on a treadmill or running in the park? I don't feel like running on a treadmill does anything for me at all.

I thought about running in the park, but my excuse is that I work 8-5.... so I won't be able to run until like 6:00 pm and I have to sleep around 10pm. So my excuse is that I can't work out at night because then I will be too "pumped up" to fall asleep. Do you guys that run a lot actually work f/t?

I always see people running in the park here and when I see them I think to myself that they must not have f/t jobs... Cause how can you work 8 hours a day, commute home and then still have energy and time to run? and then eat dinner? There's just no time.

My wife and I both work 40+ hours per week and make time. I don't run that much at the moment though - 3-4 days per week and 30-60 minutes each time out. I throw in some cycling and weightlifting as well. I like to do my training first thing in the morning and typically get up by 5:30 on those days. My wife is the exact opposite in that she will sleep in and get her runs in after work. She lifts a couple of days a week at lunch time.


Thanks. I guess it's about making the effort to FIND time. It's really hard though, I have to say. I can't work out during lunch. I don't want to be all sweaty afterwards and I like to relax during my lunch.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/10 06:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to do the sprint distance at a local triathlon this saturday instead of the olympic. I fucked up my foot somehow last week after doing a slow 6 miler. Felt fine, then later that evening I started having this real bad pain in my right foot, on the outside between pinkie toe and heel. Hurts like a bitch to walk, but running isn't as bad. My brother the doctor says it's probably a pulled tendon, or more unlikely a stress fracture (because I'm pretty well trained at this point). I've been icing and taking advil the last few days, which seems to help, but if I'm on my feet for too long it starts to flare up again.

So yeah...going to do the sprint distance because a 5k sounds way more appealing to my foot than a 10k does. Plus, I'll be riding my bike around town on sunday cheering my wife on during the LB Marathon.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/12/10 06:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Getting ready for a 10k on Sat. Did a test run, knocked out 6.25 miles in 49.26. Walked for 1 min to slow my breathing a little. Longest distance I've ever run.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/10 07:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 5.5miles today. would have made it 6 if i didnt stop to walk a few due to breathing cramps but i felt good as shit

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/10 01:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Getting ready for a 10k on Sat. Did a test run, knocked out 6.25 miles in 49.26. Walked for 1 min to slow my breathing a little. Longest distance I've ever run.


Nice dude. I want to do a standalone 10k race just to see if I can go sub 50 minutes. Did 56:00 in my last tri, so I think I could do it.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/13/10 07:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thx.
Cutting 6 mins shouldnt be too hard. My problem is my breathing.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/10 08:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Thx.
Cutting 6 mins shouldnt be too hard. My problem is my breathing.


when you run long distances, do you count your breathing to help you pace yourself??

meaning in the army we used to say 1/2/3/4 every time our left foot would touch the ground. that helps me out ALOT now when i count out each other time my left foot touches because i have that breathing problem as well along with clenching my fists when i run.

you don't have to sound out aloud just enough to where you can hear yourself and not have it impact you


Garest
(Post Master Sr)
10/13/10 09:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Thx.
Cutting 6 mins shouldnt be too hard. My problem is my breathing.


when you run long distances, do you count your breathing to help you pace yourself??

meaning in the army we used to say 1/2/3/4 every time our left foot would touch the ground. that helps me out ALOT now when i count out each other time my left foot touches because i have that breathing problem as well along with clenching my fists when i run.

you don't have to sound out aloud just enough to where you can hear yourself and not have it impact you


im gonna try this.
its so simple, yet sounds so effective lol


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/10 09:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I pace myself based on my breathing... a 3 in, 3 out is around a 9:30 pace for me right now, 2 in, 2 out is 8:30 or under... sounds weird but it works for me.

Ive been feeling like shit since the half last weekend, only run once since then (monday) and did just 3 miles. Coughing and feeling super achy.

Have a 5mile race on Sunday, then onward to the other half in November. I just want to feel healthy again dammit!


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/14/10 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Worked on my breathing a little. Did 4 miles in 31. Breathing was better, but my legs were heavy and sore.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/10 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 10k today. Did it in 51:43 which, for me, is a PR. My first 5k of today's run was also a PR at 25:12.

I know its not fast by the standards of many here, but I've seriously improved over my first 5k run ever in January that took 34:22.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/16/10 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Do the 10k downtown? How was the course?

Those times are respectable, dont sweat it.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/10 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Do the 10k downtown? How was the course?

Those times are respectable, dont sweat it.

I did run downtown, but the course wasn't totally set up yet. I know I hit parts of it because I saw the barricades. Should be a fun time tomorrow, but I'm not doing it - I have to bike races this weekend and didn't want to half-ass it through the 10k.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/18/10 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran a race yesterday with my cousin. A local 5 miler, less than 200 people running. It was put on by the rotary club.

Post race food was Italian Wedding Soup, Clam Chowder and hot dogs.

I cannot think of three less appetizing things to have as your post race food.


I wasn't all that happy with the run. Got a nasty side stitch halfway in, ended up walking through the water stop. Finished in 43:48.

blah.

That's what happens when you only run once in two weeks, and that one run is only for 3 miles.

Gotta tune up for the half on nov. 14th!!


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/18/10 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Get to it!

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/18/10 05:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5k done for the day. 26:08. still feeling like garbage and I feel an ear infection coming on


FUUUUUUUU


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/19/10 06:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just hit 5 miles in 38.40. Had to walk again for a min. My breathing smokada pole.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/10 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i'm looking forward to tomorrow night's run. went to the Dr. today. got the strep. but started a 10 day course of antibiotics. Hope this finally kicks my 3 week old cold.

murrfurrfurr


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/10 11:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
5k done for the day. 26:08. still feeling like garbage and I feel an ear infection coming on


FUUUUUUUU
when you say 5k?
you mean 5 miles or 5km?


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/20/10 07:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5k=3.1 miles.
If he did 5 miles in 26 mins, he was hauling....


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/10 08:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 5.5miles last night

trying to push for 6 today. had to stop for about ten minutes at the 3.25(a little past the turn around point)mark due to a wicked pain in my side. i have to work on my breathing


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/10 08:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
5k done for the day. 26:08. still feeling like garbage and I feel an ear infection coming on


FUUUUUUUU
when you say 5k?
you mean 5 miles or 5km?


i meant what i said


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/10 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was finally able to get out and do 5 1/2 miles today. It has been raining off and on for the last week, and with the little one having a cold, I wasn't about to drag her out in it. It was pretty nice, and my time was slow (52:02) but it usually is pushing that heavy ass stroller straight into a 15mph headwind for half of it.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/10 08:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just curious.
funny how running guys go all metric n shit \:D

i just ate some chicken wings tonight. im gonna have to go for a few long runs this week ;\)


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/10 08:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.05m tis morning wit an 8.34min/mile pace.

took the dog with me when i ran. it felt good. it seemed as though once i got past the 5mile mark and when i hit leveled ground, i could get a little feeling of what people meant by if you can do 6/7 then you can do a half-marathon. it just seemed as if my legs and body were really calm and in a grove(until i hit a hill)


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/23/10 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did a 10k in 49.09. Meh.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/10 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished a cyclocross race - good god that is painful. Top ten finish!! (out of 13)

Got to get a 5k run in today or tomorrow, and probably racing again tomorrow afternoon.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/23/10 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice Cheese!!

What are your thoughts on Motobecane'?? I think I might pick up an entry level Cross bike and give it a shot.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/10 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
Nice Cheese!!

What are your thoughts on Motobecane'?? I think I might pick up an entry level Cross bike and give it a shot.

I think they are probably decent enough bikes - I've never ridden one myself but I'm seeing more out there. Bikesdirect seemed to have kind of a poor reputation but people have started recognizing that the bikes and the parts are a good value.

That said, part of the reason you save money on them is you are giving up the support of a bike shop. You either need to be prepared to invest some money in having a shop tune your bike or possess the tools and know how to make adjustments yourself. You also give up the free fit session you would get from most shops.

I do think the Rival equipped Fantom Cross is a steal at $999 - I would seriously consider that if I was shopping now. I see a decent number of Ridley and Redline bikes out among the other C racers as well.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/10 08:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Set out to run 5k today. Felt like shit and mailed it in with about a quarter mile left. Legs are toast from yesterday and just couldn't find a rhythm. It also seems I've done something to my right calf - started hurting on and off yesterday, and is worsening today. That is going to keep me out of today's cross race.

Got to start breaking these in. Not sure what I think yet, but I get 30 days to decide if I want to keep them.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/10 06:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

jesus you have small feet!

are those newtons?


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 02:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how can you tell waht size those are?

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 07:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Those are Newtons. They are a size 9, but the sizes run kind of small. I usually wear an 8.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 08:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
how can you tell waht size those are?


they don't look small to you?

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Those are Newtons. They are a size 9, but the sizes run kind of small. I usually wear an 8.


ding, fries are done.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So yeah. Learned a new lesson this weekend. Running hills sucks. Luckily i'd been intervalling in the gym this week on the treadmill @15* incline.

This weekend was Dawg Dash, a local 5/10k to benefit the Univerity of WA alumni association... like it matters lol highschool. It was my 3rd 5k I've run, and the first one that wasn't mostly flat. Matter of fact, it basically went up and down a hill.

I'm still slow... but this was the first event I've run where I beat the Average completion time. Average was 36:26, I came in at 35:33.

About 5 seconds slower than my last 5er, but that one was totally flat. I was below the average on that one. 674th out of 1209 overall, 74th of 112 in my division. Nothing to write home about, but at least it's headway. 3 in a month, getting better each time can't be too bad, right?
 Code:
date     event              no  place sexp divp time 
10/24/10 Dawg Dash          634  674   319   74 35:33 
10/03/10 Salmon Days        1343 824   387   21 35:29 
09/26/10 Brew HA-HA 5k      237  675   344  131 37:56 


AS an aside, I was 216 when I did the Brew Ha-Ha. Woke up this AM at 203. Hate the runs, can't debate the effectiveness.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice work!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/10 02:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats man

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/25/10 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keep with it brother. Every little bit helps.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 09:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like

M - 5k recovery run
T - 4.5m run
W - 5m run
Th - rest
F - 5m run
S - x-train a bit or just stretch
Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon)

that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 10:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead sponsored by ColoUnlimited
5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like

M - 5k recovery run
T - 4.5m run
W - 5m run
Th - rest
F - 5m run
S - x-train a bit or just stretch
Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon)

that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th.


you don't think you will strain your legs/muscles by following that routine. i know by wednesday, you'll be dragging ass and you won't be fully rested


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 10:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

here's a question for the serious runners

sat and sunday i ran 6miles on each day with a 8.34min/mile pace.

when i completed the run, i felt good. yesterday i ran 4.2miles(with an 8.30 pace) and my legs are sore as shit. is this happening because by running 6miles, they get a better stretch duting the run as opposed to 4miles where they are barely stretched by the time that i am done running


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 12:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead sponsored by ColoUnlimited
5k last night, 26:02. bumping it up tonight... next few weeks looks like

M - 5k recovery run
T - 4.5m run
W - 5m run
Th - rest
F - 5m run
S - x-train a bit or just stretch
Su - long run (this week = 8, next week = 10, week after = half marathon)

that should get me back to ready for the half on the 14th.


you don't think you will strain your legs/muscles by following that routine. i know by wednesday, you'll be dragging ass and you won't be fully rested


Nah..he has a good running base already. He'll handle that plan no problem. The recovery run on mondays are key to progression.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 12:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
here's a question for the serious runners

sat and sunday i ran 6miles on each day with a 8.34min/mile pace.

when i completed the run, i felt good. yesterday i ran 4.2miles(with an 8.30 pace) and my legs are sore as shit. is this happening because by running 6miles, they get a better stretch duting the run as opposed to 4miles where they are barely stretched by the time that i am done running


I don't think it has anything to do with how much stretch your legs get. You did two days of hard running....and it didn't catch up to you till the third day. I have rarely (if ever) had a long run where I felt like crap, it's always been on shorter runs after I've had a tough previous few days of training.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm with Mr.Mom. I think you're tired because you ran three days in a row. What was your schedule like before that?

Also, what's your stretching like after you run? When you finished your 6 miles on Sat and Sun how much time did you spend stretching?

Also, how are you doing with staying hydrated? A lot of times I find my muscles feel heavy because I've been bad about sipping water all day long.



I can definitely relate to having an off day after a few days of running hard. It's to be expected. Also, just having a shitty run without any real reason has to be expected. There have been days when I just feel "off" maybe it was a bad nights sleep? maybe it was just that my head wasn't into it.

Whatever the reason I had a shitty run is just as easy to explain as the reason why sometimes I'll run for 10 miles and finish feeling like I could do another 10.



But I am very curious about your stretching and hydrating. Those two are really critical if you're getting to a point here you're hitting >30 miles per week, and if you're at 16 by Tuesday then there's a decent chance you'll be crossing that threshold soon...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 01:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

during the day at work, i usually consume about 1.5 to 2gals of crystal light(sugar free, low calorie) a day.

i'm bad about stretching due to me running with the dog sometimes and she being pooped out and wanting to get inside the house. when i lived by my house i used to do 20-25mins of stretching afterwards. now, i'd be lucky to get in 5 mins and i think that time is me walking up and down the steps before/after i get in the shower


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

gotta make stretching (after the run) a part of your workout... there's really no getting around that. It doesn't have to be RIGHT after - you can get inside, down a full glass of water - then attack it, but you gotta do it. Especially after a 6 miler.

it's one of those things that will catch up with you in a hurry and then get to a point where it affects your running. the key is to stay ahead of it.

oh, and get a foam roller!

Try this experiment next week. It's not scientific, but it might help hammer the point home. Do your 6 miles on Sat and Sun but do 15min of good leg stretching after each run, then see if you're still running flat on Monday with your 4 miler.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/26/10 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried a sprinting and walk/jog 3 miles, finished in 25.30.
Thought it would be be then that.....


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/10 08:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass

Thought it would be be then that.....


uh-oh... are you delirious? no gym for home...?


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/26/10 09:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:\)
Thought it would be better then that.....


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 08:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

why did you run/walk??

were you having breathing problems or just testing out your sprint times


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 09:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

there's a dude (Jeff Galloway) who was made famous for his walk/run marathon method. Begging runners usually finish faster using that method than they do straight running it.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 09:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did my 4.33 miles last night in 36:06, but did my fastest mile last (8:14).

Got my new shoes too!! But I didn't try them last night. If it's dry out tonight I might take them for a couple miles to see how they fit. They're "minimalist" shoes, so I need to get into them gradually.

these dogs - Brooks Green Silence:





They weigh 8oz vs. the 15oz my regular shoes weigh. They feel like fucking slippers too. Love 'em.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

oh wow

that's something that i have noticed this year. the weight of the show can affect your run as well. it's not as simple as lacing up and heading out for a run. if the shoe is too heavy, it can impact your run times etc


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 10:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
oh wow

that's something that i have noticed this year. the weight of the show can affect your run as well. it's not as simple as lacing up and heading out for a run. if the shoe is too heavy, it can impact your run times etc


I'm more interested in moving to a forefoot strike instead of a heal strike. The heel-to-toe drop on this is only 8mm whereas my Omni 9s it is around 18mm if not more. Doesn't sound like much, but if my heel is hitting the ground 10mm sooner in the Omni 9s then it will more than likely mean that the heel becomes the strike point.


Garest
(Post Master Sr)
10/27/10 10:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it feels strange at first but i like it alot more than heel toe strike

when i first started running like that it almost felt like when running from my knee to my foot was moving in a circle. (i guess with both legs like a egg beater motion).

but i find when im full out sprinting as fast as i can i'll revert back to a heel toe strike


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/10 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah, I figure I'll use these shoes on 3 mile or less runs to get used to them. I don't know if I'll ever do longer distances, but I'd like to build up to a half marathon distance in them.

target cadence for efficient running is 180 steps per minute (90 per foot obv). So I figure if I am running for 1:55 that's 10,350 times I am lifting each leg. I lift 15oz 10,350 times with each leg during a half marathon, so I would imagine it would take less energy to lift 8oz 10,350 times, right?


the only concern is if there is enough cushioning in the shoe to make 13.1 miles still feel comfortable. So, that's why I'll be ramping up slowly in these. Not to mention I can't expect to switch to a forefoot strike overnight. i have some un-learning to do...


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 09:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

no gym for home?

I altered my schedule a bit so I'm doing this now instead (Wednesday nights are tough). Switching Wednesday and Thursday. Tonight it's 5 alive!


Also - here's a handy race finder if you are looking for some fall/winter action:
http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/racefinder/0,7151,s6-239-283-284-0-0-0-0-0,00.html


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 10:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor

ARGHHHHH

no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor

ARGHHHHH

no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes



oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 01:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor

ARGHHHHH

no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes



oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles?


on mapmyrun i can but not on nikerunning.com

all your miles, pace, etc is logged and recorded by the nike+ apparatus in an effort to stop people from cheating and lying about their distance/time/pace because of all the challenges that nike has


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

oh snap!

Have you considered ditching the nike+ for a garmin watch? I tried the nike thing but couldn't get it to work with any accuracy...


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 01:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
10miles to go before hitting 200miles ran and I lose my nike+ sensor

ARGHHHHH

no running until friday when i pick up a new sensor for my shoes



oooh that's not a good excuse. can't you manually input your miles?


on mapmyrun i can but not on nikerunning.com

all your miles, pace, etc is logged and recorded by the nike+ apparatus in an effort to stop people from cheating and lying about their distance/time/pace because of all the challenges that nike has

Actually you can. I've done it once or twice.

http://nikeplusedit.com/

Obviously, since it only goes by total elapsed time and distance, you don't see variations in pace. But if you just want to get something loaded with miles and average pace, it can be done.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool. i will use it today and see how it works.

i missed my 4mile run last night(using the nike+ half marathon training coach) because i lost the sensor(going to pick up a new one tomorrow though).

sucks that i have a 4mile run tonight and possibly a 6miler on friday to get myself back on schedule. i also lost my running mate, my dog, because she couldnt handle it without breathing hard after the run


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time

It doesn't need your end time since it has the duration. It really just creates a very minimalist log for your run.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 02:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
weird that the site doesnt have an end time but it does have a start time

It doesn't need your end time since it has the duration. It really just creates a very minimalist log for your run.


minimalist log. that's the kinda poo you have when you're eating a reduced calorie diet.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 02:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

bah...one more day of not running won't hurt

i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 03:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
bah...one more day of not running won't hurt

i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time


do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time?

I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
bah...one more day of not running won't hurt

i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time


do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time?

I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA

How does that do holding a signal. We got my wife an older model a while back and it was horrible. But the Garmin Edge I have for my bike has been great for four or five years now.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
bah...one more day of not running won't hurt

i'll just wait til i get a new sensor tomorrow and sew it inside my shoe tongue this time


do you have a pocket thingy for your laces? is that how it got lost the first time?

I'm serious though - you should check these bitches out: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA

How does that do holding a signal. We got my wife an older model a while back and it was horrible. But the Garmin Edge I have for my bike has been great for four or five years now.


I've never had a problem, but I mostly run where there are few obstacles (buildings, dense tree cover, etc.).


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ugh i hate those straps around your chest. the less clothes the better.

the model taking the pictures and in the white has some nice boons


as far as losing my sensor. i had it in a pocket thingy that went on top of my shoes. yesterday i left out for work and had it attached to my keychain and about an hour before i left work, i noticed that it was gone.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah that sucks!

in related news I never wear the HR monitor, but it's nice to know it's there in case I ever do get silly crazy about zone workouts.


In other related news, my first three miles are done on the new shoes and I am happy to report that the run went great! I ended up running negative for each split - 8:27, 8:23, 7:49 - 25:27 for 3.12 miles

not too bad for a chubby dude! I gotta get back to eating good though, I have been slacking hardcore in that department.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/10 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I really like the Green Silence, and liked them even more when I saw ghem at the marathon expo last weekend. Too bad I have 3 pairs of running shoes already, and the wife would kill me if I got any more.

I am loving my most recent piece of gear though:

Oakley Jawbones with polarized lenses:


They're really comfortable and the optics are amazing.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
10/30/10 02:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a 10k race today....and I smokada pole. Did it in 51:35. I guess hiting the bars the night before and doind a couple 101 turkey shots didnt help......

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/10 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 7 miles. So-so time at 63 minutes, but wasn't trying too hard and haven't been running too much the last couple of weeks.

Cyclocross race tonight. In a Freddy Kreuger costume. Hopefully the temps will get down at least into the 60's since I'll be wearing a fucking sweater to race in. This will be epic.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/10 09:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did 8 this morning, ran from the house to breakfast with the family. was an awesome day for a run - 50 degrees, sunny, ever so slight breeze.

finished in 1:10:58, so around an 8:51/m average. Slower than I wanted, but whateves. It was still a nice run.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/10 07:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whoohoo!! new 5k PR tonight!

I broke 25 min. First time ever!!! My last best 5k was 25:04 on Sept. 30th, tonight I did it in 24:45!! Splits were 8:13, 8:07, 7:49.

Wore the Brooks Green Silence again, so maybe it is the shoes afterall!? Whatever it is, I'll take it. I even tripped once during the run and recovered. Quite eventful. Oh, and it was pretty cold and windy out - 39 degrees to be exact! Love that cold weather running...


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/10 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pulled out the treadmill today. no more outside running except on the weekends.

walked outside today to the 40s. oh fuck no. i fucking miss early fall/late spring/summer


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 12:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I really need to get back in the water...I've been missing my swim workouts. \:\(

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 02:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

these bitches are coming my way Thursday


i fucking love the free 2day shipping from running warehouse


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
these bitches are coming my way Thursday


i fucking love the free 2day shipping from running warehouse


give me a review.

i've been looking on swoosh.com and nike has some nice prices on items on there. i might invest in a pair


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
these bitches are coming my way Thursday
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i fucking love the free 2day shipping from running warehouse


give me a review.

i've been looking on swoosh.com and nike has some nice prices on items on there. i might invest in a pair


will do - I like 'em cuz they are cuffless so I don't have to worry about them bunching up against my watch. Wish I had them for tonight's run. It's gonna be fucking chilly again.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/02/10 03:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Had a 10k race today....and I smokada pole. Did it in 51:35. I guess hiting the bars the night before and doind a couple 101 turkey shots didnt help......


Make the time 50.38. Still, could do better.
Gotta 5k this weekend, gonna train tonight, want a 22xx.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went out with a coworker and ran 3.3 miles on lunch.

34:41, 3.34mi, (all my official 5ks have been 35.xx or higher)...and my first sub 10:00 split! 9:56, which is still slow but fuck, it's sub 10, and thats progress! 10:49 and 10:23 for the next 2 miles.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 4.2/9min pace at noon today. Temp was 94. Fuck.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 04:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

goddamn! Nicely done. fuck running at 90 degrees out. lol

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/02/10 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FUCK YEAH!
Knocked out 3.2 milesd in 22.25, averaging 7:15 per mile.....WHEEEEEEEEEEEE


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 07:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
FUCK YEAH!
Knocked out 3.2 milesd in 22.25, averaging 7:15 per mile.....WHEEEEEEEEEEEE


goddamn


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/02/10 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Odd thing is, I might have been able to go a little faster.... had to slow just a little cause breeathing was off around mile 2.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3miles, 8.20min/mile pace, 25.02mins

goign to try and push out 3 more miles tonight or in the morning. fucking nike+ sensor.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/10 09:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
FUCK YEAH!
Knocked out 3.2 milesd in 22.25, averaging 7:15 per mile.....WHEEEEEEEEEEEE


Awesome!


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/03/10 07:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks! I know it's not really fast but, its a pr for me!
And the average should be 7 min per mile.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

tasty little 4 mile lunch run today. nothing fancy.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/03/10 01:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

shower afterwards? /nohomo

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
shower afterwards? /nohomo


of course, we have a shower at work that no one ever uses. better than paying $50 a month for a gym membership!

I sweat too much to not shower after a run.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 02:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i used to do the baby wipe thing when i ran during lunch at my old job

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
i used to do the baby wipe thing when i ran during lunch at my old job


it'd have to be one huge baby wipe for that to work for me


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Switched it up and drove down to Huntington Beach to do my run this morning. So many hot women out on the bike path, my run went by really fast. Oh, and they're all friendly when you're pushing a stroller. \:D

Only did 3.5, but I did it in 27:30 which is a fairly brisk pace for me.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/10 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

another 5K on the treadmill. 25mins at 8.20min/mile pace

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/04/10 07:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whats the incline set at?

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/10 08:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

+30% like a boss!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/10 08:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
whats the incline set at?


no incline. i just hope on and run. it sucks though because outside yields a much better run due to several factors

inside the house or in a gym on a treadmill, you are subject to alot of factors. outside you can vary your pace on a long run; for instance on a 5mile run, i can average a pace out to 7min50secs a mile. on the treadmill, pumping out an 8.20 pace for damn near 4 or 5miles is brutal. then you have to factor in a whole bunch of other shit(being stationary, inside distractions such as people trying to talk to you/phone ringing/ppl cooking/your body heat from running not going anywhere).


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/10 08:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm thinking of investing in a good treadmill for home. I too hate running on treadmills, but some days (like today, when they're calling for 40degrees and heavy rain) it would be nice to have something indoors that I can use to get my run in.

Any suggestions on good brands?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/10 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 mile run today at an 8:55/mile pace

4 weeks away from my second half marathon, so I need to spend some time getting acclimated to lower temps and figuring out what works for me as far as clothes and layers.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/10 08:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sweet. First time doing more than 4.5 miles since back at the end of september. Did 6.9 miles in 58:26. That's an 8:28 pace which is pretty damn quick for me. The funny thing is that I never really felt tired at all during the whole run. :woot:

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/10 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

worst fucking run ever.

set out to do 10m today. wheels came off after 5. walked a total of a half mile over six stops on the last 5 miles. Felt the resurgence of an old left calf injury on mile 9.

FUCK that was really really shitty.


Got home, very cold, soaked through from sweat. left hammie locked up when I tried getting off the floor.

Sat in an ice bath for 10 minutes, stretched, drank pickle juice (supposed to help).

going to take a hot bath with epsom salts in a few, then stretch.


FUCK ME IN THE EYE SOCKET!


half marathon is next Sunday. God damn you running gods. why couldn't you have just given me a nice last long run before the race? WHY!?!??!?!?



oh, stats - finished 9.4 miles in 1:23:39, 8:50 avg pace when running. Including the stops it took me 1:35:20 for an average of 10:08/m



Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/10 11:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

half marathon/marathon...no thanks. lol

not for me though i may convince myself to do one...just to say i did. \:\/


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/10 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.1 on the treadmill, 25:06

i hate 'em, but it's nice to know they are available when it's <50* out with 33mph winds


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/10 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...it would be nice to have one for when the kid is napping or something.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/10 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

43 degrees, raining. 3.6 miles, in 36 minutes. Not the most awesome weather, but I ain' gonna melt from a little water.

First time i've run consistent 10min splits across the whole run! usually it's high 10s, low 11s, maybe a high nine.

but this... this i'm happy with. That'd have been what, a 32:00 5k time? My last official 5k was in the 35s.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/10 11:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran with the runkeeper app on my phone today. I figured since most days I push the baby in the jogger, and have it with me, it'd be cool to have.

Today I did 3.5 at a 8:50 pace. About average when I'm pushing that bastard of a stroller.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/11/10 06:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Soooo, after a week of not ruuning, just finished 4 miles in 30.15, feeling really good.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/10 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sheeit. today was 4 in juuust under 40 for me. Nicely done! I gotta pick up the pace somewhow.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/10 08:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm taking about a week off from running due to my knee feeling funny. And my diet has sucked for about a month and a half - gained three or four pounds back. Need to get myself back on track.

Got two cross races this weekend to help, and it looks like we will have some mud


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 07:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

doing one last very easy run today before the half on Sunday. I'm starting to notice all the weird stains and tightness that I normally inventory before a race. It's like two days before the event I become some sort of hypochondriac...

today should be 4 miles at a s-l-o-w pace, trying to target a 9:30/m pace, about a mile slower than what I want to do on Sunday.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 07:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how do you train your body to run a slower pace than normal without burning yourself out or hurting yourself?

running a 7miler this evening


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 08:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
how do you train your body to run a slower pace than normal without burning yourself out or hurting yourself?

running a 7miler this evening


I just don't run as fast?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 08:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

duh but i mean that while trying to run at a slow pace, my body does one of three things:

1. i unconciously speed back up to the pace that my body is used to running comfortably at

2. knees and shins start hurting

3. i burnout quicker


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 08:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

for real? I think you're broken.

Besides, 1min/mile slower isn't all that slower in reality, especially when you average it out.

the easiest way for me to run slower is to lengthen my stride and slow my leg turn over but keep my form the same. That's the hard part, is keeping form.

I dunno, I just treat it like a jog instead of a run and it works out


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

so much for slowing down. FUCK.

good news is that it felt great, didn't feel totally wiped out. great weather, really hope Sunday is just like today. Totally sunny, cool breeze. perfect.

3.37 miles, 27:55 finish. avg 8:17/m pace


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck on sunday Beefy...I expect to a new PR out of you. \:D

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Good luck on sunday Beefy...I expect to a new PR out of you. \:D


I'm gonna just take this one easy I think. Not gonna shoot for a PR. the training between the last half in early October and this one hasn't been all that great, and with the really shitty 10miler and cramping I had last Sunday I don't know what this Sunday is going to end up like.

My strategy is to go easy for the first 5 and see how I feel, then reassess for the last 8.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/12/10 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

half? ouch. Cant imagine running for more than 10k....

Krys
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 01:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck this weekend \:\)

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Krys
Good luck this weekend \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Good luck on sunday Beefy...I expect to a new PR out of you. \:D


I'm gonna just take this one easy I think. Not gonna shoot for a PR. the training between the last half in early October and this one hasn't been all that great, and with the really shitty 10miler and cramping I had last Sunday I don't know what this Sunday is going to end up like.

My strategy is to go easy for the first 5 and see how I feel, then reassess for the last 8.


I'm playing my tiny violin right now for ya. \:D J/K....who knows, maybe the lighter training load will be good for your race.


Had a pretty good run today. Used runkeeper again and it says I did 4 miles in 33:28...8:23/mi. Again, I can't believe how my speed has increased over the last few months...if I wasn't pushing that stroller I'd be sub 8's for sure. Hopefully I'll get a solo long run in this weekend.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/10 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

apparently you can not run inside the Lincoln Memorial and slap the base of the statue. LMAO...ahh the joys of running in DC


6.12miles/8.45min pace


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/10 08:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got back on the tri bike today after not touching it for almost 6 weeks. Did 26 miles in beautiful weather. Only averaged 18mph, but I was kinda expecting that.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/10 01:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

didn't snag a PR, but I got a course record. I guess that's something. Legs felt like cement through mile 4, and I fought off cramping from 10 on. Wasn't the best outing, but I am at least grateful I didn't run it slower than last year.

Last year time: 1:59:19
This year's time: 1:57:55


Sure it's only 1:24 faster than last year, but faster is faster.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/10 03:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. Any sub 2 hour half is impressive in my book.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/10 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice man

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/10 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks guys. all I know is that from now on I need to make strength training and weight loss equally as important as running. since i started running in July of '08 I have only been focused on running - not even cross training.

I have to take the plan that Lewis gave me seriously if I think I'll improve on the barely sub-2 times.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/10 08:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7 miles at an 8:29 pace. I'll take it!

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/10 01:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.5 miles at lunch, no watch though. Hammies feel pretty strained after yesterday's run. Almost had them collapse and cramp up coming down into the chute.

might take two days off from running to let them rest up.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/10 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

going for four after work

still no nike+ sensor. logged over 20miles in the last 2.5wks and nothing to record them with. bummer


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/10 02:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
going for four after work

still no nike+ sensor. logged over 20miles in the last 2.5wks and nothing to record them with. bummer


get this and stop dicking with that little sensor bullshit: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-Receiver-Heart-Monitor/dp/B000CSWCQA

now it's only $130!! (was 140 when I bought mine)


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/10 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

check your pm

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/10 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a week off from running due to knee hurting a bit, but all seems well now and gonna try to get back at it tomorrow with 5 miles.

Had two cyclocross races this weekend which were basically miserable. Saturday I drop my chain during the second lap, fall behind, never catch up, crash going over a log on the next to last lap, but finish and not in last place. Sunday I drop my chain going down some horribly bumpy taintbuster of a hill and knock my chainwatcher out of whack (which evidently wasn't doing its job) and then go down when I roll my front tire taking a corner fast on the third lap while playing catch up.

Since I suck and the risk of me hurting myself seems pretty high, I think cyclocross is done for the year - I don't want to knock myself out of the half-marathon in Memphis in a few weeks because I crash my bike trying not to come in last. I'm going to pick up a new bike or frame during the off-season though and give it a go again in the fall. Its a ton of fun, I just need to put some more effort in to practicing my off-road handling skills.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/10 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 mile run this morning. Made it a point to hold back a little bit and focus on what a steady moderate pace feels like so I can find the zone I want to be in for my half. 45 minutes even. Really didn't feel all that great when I started, but after about 3 miles I felt like I could have gone all day.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/10 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
5 mile run this morning. Made it a point to hold back a little bit and focus on what a steady moderate pace feels like so I can find the zone I want to be in for my half. 45 minutes even. Really didn't feel all that great when I started, but after about 3 miles I felt like I could have gone all day.


nice work! I love that feeling when you hit the zone and your energy feels endless.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/10 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wait, when does that happen? I sure as fuck never felt that one lol.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/10 03:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
5 mile run this morning. Made it a point to hold back a little bit and focus on what a steady moderate pace feels like so I can find the zone I want to be in for my half. 45 minutes even. Really didn't feel all that great when I started, but after about 3 miles I felt like I could have gone all day.


nice work! I love that feeling when you hit the zone and your energy feels endless.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 09:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just signed up for the last 10K of the year here in DC on december 12th

wish me luck

http://www.runwashington.com/jingle-all-the-way-10k.htm


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 09:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

crush it!

Are you doing any turkey trots next week? I've got a hilly 5k this Saturday, then a 2.8m fun run on t-day morning -- there's a chance I could win a random pie. I might need to figure out a costume.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

with turkey day falling on a thursday..it's out of my run schedule for now(M/W/F)

i've started pushing out 6/4/6 and 4/6/6 runs though

might try to bump it(7/6/7) up before snow season starts in late dec to mid feb


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

are you doing any long, slow distance runs on the weekends?

I am going to try go keep doing 9m runs on the weekends from here until the half in February, and keep my weekly ones around 3(or4)5-6 for the M-W-F runs. then sprinkle in the elliptical cross training on T-Th with a rest day on Saturday.

The goal is to get to 25m/week


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

twenty-five a week is fun but brutal after a while. i want to get to that point again but with my fiancee and her situation....it's hard to get out of the house to run after getting in

sometimes i catch a little hell for the three runs i do after work


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

can you break out during work?

I just did 3.1 on the treadmill (incline at 1% cuz that's apparently a better simulation of running outside). All in all I was down there, changed, ran, cooled, stretched, grabbed a sammich and back in my seat in 1:15


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 12:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haven't really seen how these people are with me pulling that during my hour of lunch.

240sx805
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So for the last year Ive been fat and lazy. Ive been running off and on for the past couple weeks. No more than 2 miles and a lot of walking during the run.

I need to get my 1 mile speed up for a test next month, what should I work on besides getting my ass out there and hitting the pavement everyday?

Sprints? Distance? run 1 min, walk 1 min?

Im not that far off from the target time of 10mins(yeah I know, sad. I was averaging 8min miles when I ran my 3mile test a year and a half ago)

The main thing slowing me down is my shins, Im going to get new shoes today.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 01:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

in order to run fast, you have to run fast.

do interval work - run at your comfortable pace, then sprint for as long as you can, then return to a comfortable run until you recover your heart rate. Repeat.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 08:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

put down 6.2 after work in preparation for my upcoming 10K

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 09:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thumbs up!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/10 10:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a hair over 5 today. 4 yesterday, another 4 tomorrow, and hopefully 6.2 on friday. We'll be in Yosemite all weekend, so I need to cram my weeks runs in before we leave.


I'm doing our local turkey trot next thursday morning. Last year did the 5k, this I'm looking to PR a 10k (sub 53:00, but I think I can go sub 50:00 if I'm feeling really good. The wsife was supposed to do it with me, but her knees are still shot after her 4:30 marathon last month.

I wanted to do a sprint tri that morning up in San Dimas, but fuck it's $110 to enter. I'd rather pay 30 for the 10k.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/10 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5k today on a rather hilly course, but I PR'd it!

23:54 and my splits were 7:50, 7:55, 7:35!! average pace of 7:43/mile!!


Had some monstrous hills (at least monstrous in my eyes). Here's the elevation profile from the garmin:



In total it was 166ft of elevation gained, with around 90 gained between miles 1 and 2. Fun course, but very windy and 37* at the start. Ditched my jacket after I got out of the heaviest wind around mile 1.5

Last best 5k time was 24:45 earlier this month. WOOT!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/10 09:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Best of luck to my fellow turkey trotters tomorrow!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/10 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fucking Woot. My first sub 50:00 10k. 49:54. That's a PR by almost 5 minutes.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
11/25/10 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice Job!!

As for me I went and just watched friend and teammates run the Cleveland Turkey Trot this morning.

I'm done running for awhile, I started the first of 4 leg surgeries yesterday.

Hopefully I'll get started again late January.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/10 07:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Recover fast!

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/10 07:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Fucking Woot. My first sub 50:00 10k. 49:54. That's a PR by almost 5 minutes.


Nicely done! 5 minutes off is huge!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/10 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What...we got a bunch of weekend slackers in here??? \:D

Capped my weekend off with a nice 7 mile run at an 8:22 pace. I can't believe how quickly my speed is improving.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/10 08:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah. Total slacker mode. it snowed this week and I didn't wanna slip on the ice. It's melted now, I should have gone today. Gonna hold out for my normal Tuesday run and up the mileage to atone for the week. lol.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 07:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 mile run yesterday. Did not eat enough or drink enough water during the day, and felt it after about six miles.

A couple of short runs this week and then the half in Memphis on Saturday. Traveling for work, so I'll be doing one of those short runs in Tucson.

After my half, I'll probably keep running a couple of times per week but I'll be shifting my focus to cycling as I'm approaching 90ish days from the start of race season. One of my "A" races for next year that I want to perform well in is an omnium (time trial, crit and road race over two days) in early April, so I need to get my training plan formulated pretty soon.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 02:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.5mile run today at lunch. did it in 55mins

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 02:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice work!

mine was 4.4 miles in 34:57

I wish I could run for an hour at lunch, but that leaves no time for cooldown/stretching/showering


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 03:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
nice work!

mine was 4.4 miles in 34:57

I wish I could run for an hour at lunch, but that leaves no time for cooldown/stretching/showering


baby wipes dude. baby wipes and stay downwind if you're a sweatbox


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
nice work!

mine was 4.4 miles in 34:57

I wish I could run for an hour at lunch, but that leaves no time for cooldown/stretching/showering


baby wipes dude. baby wipes and stay downwind if you're a sweatbox


no fucking way I could get by with babywipes. I am a fat kid that sweats a lot when he exercises.

it would have to be a beach towel sized baby wipe.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Followed up last nights 7 miler with an easy 3.5 today. Well it was supposed to be easy. The fucking jogging stroller had a flat so it was a major PITA to push it. My quads are still a bit sore from my bike ride on sunday, so I may take tomorrow off.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 09:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

active recovery Mr. Mom - do something (walk/elliptical/etc.), don't just take the day off.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/10 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, I hardly just sit around chasing these damn kids all day. \:D Just taking the day off from my training routine. I've had a pretty solid last 5 days or so.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/10 09:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

trying to do maybe three or four today

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
11/30/10 10:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ok, so my vag is acting up about it freezing outside, so I joined the gym. 5x5 routine, here we come. Hopefully my running time get better too.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/10 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

today is a cross-training day, so the gym will be 3miles on the treadmill followed by 20 min or so on the elliptical.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/10 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

headed out to do 4miles in 15mins

just having a little bit of tummy aches


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/10 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

totally screwed up the cross training.

did 3.1 on the treadmill (1% incline bitches) in 24:10, then banged out 15min on the elliptical.


CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had a big milestone today in my couch to 5k quest.

I ran for 22 minutes straight.

My previous best was 17 minutes straight.

I was last on week 5 of the program and kind of strayed from it to build some more cardio to attempt the 20 minute straight run on the 3rd run day.

I'm 6'0 and 240lbs for reference.

I'm in San Antonio this week for work. I ran on the Riverwalk. Fucking awesome path! Clean paved paths with hardly any people and great views.



Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nicely done! Congrats man!

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 03:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CLAY'S 99SI
I had a big milestone today in my couch to 5k quest.

I ran for 22 minutes straight.

My previous best was 17 minutes straight.

I was last on week 5 of the program and kind of strayed from it to build some more cardio to attempt the 20 minute straight run on the 3rd run day.

I'm 6'0 and 240lbs for reference.

I'm in San Antonio this week for work. I ran on the Riverwalk. Fucking awesome path! Clean paved paths with hardly any people and great views.



fucking awesome man! those milestones are huge, and crossing them are massive confidence boosters.


CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 03:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was a relief. Finally I can run.

My goal is to work up to running 30 minutes straight then onto 4 miles in 30 minutes.

I'll look for a 5k to run after I can accomplish 30 straight.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats man

CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 04:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CLAY'S 99SI
It was a relief. Finally I can run.

My goal is to work up to running 30 minutes straight then onto 4 miles in 30 minutes.

I'll look for a 5k to run after I can accomplish 30 straight.



you can totally do it. and then you'll be hitting 5 miles... 6miles... 8miles.. sign up for a few 10ks, half marathons - you're gonna fucking love hitting new milestones.

keep it up!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/10 11:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's been getting pretty cold here at night and in the morning, and since I've been wanting to start doing some early morning bike rides and some late evening runs, I decided to get some tights. Picked up some New Balance for $40 and went for a 6.5 mile run tonight. Wow....I love them. They keep everything nice and snug and the cold was a non-issue. Managed an 8:30 pace at a pretty mild effort so I'm happy.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 08:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

tights?!


Also, it was windy cold and rainy last night so I decided to take yesterday as my rest day. Heading out at lunch for a windy and cold but not rainy run.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

also, fuck you running!

did 4.4 at lunch, was NOT into it at all... felt sluggish and heavy legged.

fuck.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

supposed to do a 3miler today and a 5/6miler tomorrow

plus juan on the tights. pulled out my pair today.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 12:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i might need tights soon. even though I called Mr.Mom a pansy.

wind was a factor today for sure. Along the river the headwind was so strong I saw seagulls suspended in the air just floating along.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude, my legs are the best part of my body....tights make them look even better. \:D

CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 02:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Dude, my legs are the best part of my body....tights make them look even better. \:D


I have the same natural assets lol. I just don't know when and where I could pull off tights and not lose all manhood credibility lolz.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 07:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
also, fuck you running!

did 4.4 at lunch, was NOT into it at all... felt sluggish and heavy legged.

fuck.


Barely held down 3.2 today, averaging just under 10:00 each. \:\( Blech. Starting to get sick, and it showed in today's run.


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/02/10 07:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wish me luck
first marathon this weekend - if i die you guys can fight for the bike/etc


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: shamrok
wish me luck
first marathon this weekend - if i die you guys can fight for the bike/etc


which one? does it have live racer updating? we can follow along with you!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 08:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Goood luck man!

shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/02/10 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whiterock Marathon in Dallas

and no idea on the updating, I don't know if I want people checking in my fail lol


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/02/10 08:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've got my second half this weekend in Memphis. Been a shitty week so far though with lots of travel, and more tomorrow. Wife is doing the full and I'm running with her for her first 12.5 miles, so she'll be setting the pace and she's targeting 4:20 for the full.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 06:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

big weekend for races! Good luck to both of you guys.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 07:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good luck you guys

with the weather being the 40s/20s here as of late.....i'm thinking about hanging up my running shoes until spring hits after my race next week, unless i hit up a gym with a nice treadmill. i have one at my house but the ceiling clearance sucks ass


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
12/03/10 08:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Join the gym! Dont lose the progress you made.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 08:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
good luck you guys

with the weather being the 40s/20s here as of late.....i'm thinking about hanging up my running shoes until spring hits after my race next week, unless i hit up a gym with a nice treadmill. i have one at my house but the ceiling clearance sucks ass



seriously. don't lose your wind dude, it'll make the spring comeback suck like a bitch.

Just maintain 2-3 runs a week. Don't go for improving your running fitness, just maintain it. You'll be glad you did in the spring.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
12/03/10 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good Luck!!! Shamrok and Cheese!!

So jealous of everyone still running these leg problems are killing me just sitting around.

I might start doing some yoga just for something to do.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

treadmills suck


4 miles @ 1%incline, 31:22

sweaty, hot mess.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck this weekend guys!

shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/03/10 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
treadmills suck


4 miles @ 1%incline, 31:22

sweaty, hot mess.



come to tulsa on the 2nd weekend of nov.

we have the pub run - 3 pints of guiness over a 4 mi course. was about a 31:20ish run until the last pint (which is at finish line). that fucker took a bit longer to drink lol

needless to say the run gets you in prime shape lol


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

barf must be everywhere

CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 25 minutes today. Pretty good considering my personal best last run was 22 minutes, the time before that 17 minutes and the time before that 15 minutes.

I could tell my cardio was stronger today from wringing myself out on Wed.

Perfect conditions running today didn't hurt either. Mid 70's and sunny with plenty of shade when I wanted it.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/10 07:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fuck running in 70 degrees sounds too hot!


nice step up in the distance Clay!


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/03/10 10:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
barf must be everywhere

i think people must pre-train for it.
i know the first and second years you'd always start hearing the yacking sound after the second pint


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/04/10 05:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

put down 6.5 yesterday after work. took me a little under an hour.

running in leggings is nice


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/04/10 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Memphis half marathon in the books. A bit over 2:10, which is slower than the first half I ran in September, but it means my wife is pretty much spot on for her goal of 4:20 in the full and that's all that matters. We lost a couple minutes due to a zipper malfunction on her jacket and the 12 mile water stop was at the base of a hill where she preferred to walk up before running again. I think she'll pick up a couple minutes in the second half with all the half marathoners turning off and less sideways running around people.

Despite the time, this run was better for me in a few ways compared to the Chicago half in September. In Chicago, I had a better time but we went out harder and I was hurting for the last three miles - my pace gradually tapered off. In this run, I felt just as good at mile 12 as I did at mile 2. I had a nice even pace and never really felt tired except on a couple of inclines near the end. But I recovered well after both of them. And I had gas in the tank at the end - when I turned off at the 12.5 mile mark I ran the last .6 at near an 8 minute mile pace. Granted it was down hill, but the bottom line was I felt good as opposed to struggling. I took in nutrition during this race, which I didn't do in Chicago, and that probably played a role too.

I will also add that running through the St. Jude's hospital campus with the kids out there cheering and giving high fives was probably one of the top five coolest and most heartwarming experiences of my life. I almost teared up.


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/05/10 10:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

mile 20 onwards is a fucking bitch, pain and suffering

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/10 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: shamrok
mile 20 onwards is a fucking bitch, pain and suffering

She ended up about 4:35 - not her goal but more than 15 minutes faster than her first marathon.

She said the second half had a lot more hills. She looked strong still when I saw her run into the stadium, but she had walked up hill about once a mile for each of the last ten miles.

Still better than I could do. I'd probably hurt myself training for or running a full marathon.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 08:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

going for an easy 7 today and then taking it easy on wednesday and thrusday in prep for my race on saturday

shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/06/10 09:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

after that run yesterday, i don't think there is even an easy '1' in my legs

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 09:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: shamrok
after that run yesterday, i don't think there is even an easy '1' in my legs


how far did you run?


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/06/10 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

26.2

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how was it shamrok?



I think the pain in my lower leg is something semi-serious. Definitely gets worse as I run on it... did 4 yesterday and the pain was there the whole time. Gotta find a Dr. about this soon, but it'll have to wait until after Vegas ;-)


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/06/10 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

the first 19 or so were fine, then right hammy and calf got a bit of the lock up - then a blister started forming on right foot

but got done in a 'reasonable' time - just glad i am finished is all, because those last 4 miles were pure torture


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did anyone read meltdown's thread in here? something seems fishy about his times.

he says that he runs a 5.30/mile but an 18min/5K

with those times, why isnt he doing any major marathons??

/threadjack


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/06/10 10:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

because he isn't kenyan enough to hold a 5.30/mile for more than a mile?

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: shamrok
the first 19 or so were fine, then right hammy and calf got a bit of the lock up - then a blister started forming on right foot

but got done in a 'reasonable' time - just glad i am finished is all, because those last 4 miles were pure torture


what's a "reasonable" time?

bummer about the issues, but honestly I think those are par for the course when you're running 26.2 straight.

Congrats on finishing! There's billions of people out there that will never know what it's like to put in effort like that, from the start of your training all the way through the finish line. Well done!


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/06/10 11:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

put it this way, Wifey's wife had me by a few minutes, but oh well. glad it is done - now i can enjoy the bar a little bit and start working on the trainer

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy shit! 7 miles tonight in 57:05. :woot:

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/10 11:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and great job to shamrock and cheese....you guys kicked some ass.

CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran for 32 minutes last night. I'm liking this trend lol.

I'm adding run time EVERY time I run lol.

I guess I'll keep building time for now then try to speed up my pace down the road.

I'm probably jogging at a 10-11 minute pace right now.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

headed out for 6 or 7 right now

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did an easy 4 after last nights effort.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 07:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just did time on the elliptical today trying to avoid impact on the right leg... didn't feel any pain, so might test it on the treadmill tomorrow

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome job, Clay!

I on the other hand washed the fuck out today. Felt a little off, but ran anyhow. Made it a half mile and was just not into it. Limbs weren't cooperating, couldn't keep my breath, nothing. Wound up walking 2 mi instead of runnign 4. Guess i'm a little sicker than I thought. I had less than no energy. Time to take a night off I think and try and recover a bit.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 08:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 6.5 today.

is it a good idea to run 6 again on thursday in preparation for my race on saturday?

lady on the subway and looked at me because i had a thermal tee on and sweatpants(nike pro gear underneath) and asked me was i crazy because it was 25degrees out and obviously i must have been off my rocker.

i looked at her and said "i just ran 6.5miles in this weather. i think i've been off my rocker for a while now"


shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/07/10 08:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
ran 6.5 today.

is it a good idea to run 6 again on thursday in preparation for my race on saturday?

lady on the subway and looked at me because i had a thermal tee on and sweatpants(nike pro gear underneath) and asked me was i crazy because it was 25degrees out and obviously i must have been off my rocker.

i looked at her and said "i just ran 6.5miles in this weather. i think i've been off my rocker for a while now"


what kind of run on weekend?

and hell 25deg is fine as long as you aren't getting blasted by wind


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 10:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10K

The wind was fierce. Fucking us capital lawn

Capital hill is a bitch too after running five and a half


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/10 10:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you're looking to set a PR in the race, I would definitley take it easy the rest of the week. Run light tomorrow and/or thursday, then take friday and saturday off. That's what I'd do anyways. I feel like I'm flying after taking two days off.

shamrok
(Post Master Sr)
12/07/10 10:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

what he said, maybe a +1-1:30 min to tempo pace 5k and then two days off

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/10 07:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ok thanks

the run is saturday morning at 6am. the reason i am taking late in the evenings runs are so i can get a feel for how the weather will be around 6am. it sucks that a majority if not all of the run will be near water, but that's just something that i will have to deal with.

on the plus side, gigantor will be out there running as well and with his progress as of late, i can keep an eye on him if i need some motivation


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/10 08:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am with everyone else in suggesting you take it easy the next few days. Do a light run today (not race pace) and a second light one tomorrow at half the distance, then take Friday off.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/10 09:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ok thanks.

at least i won't make the mistake i did last year. i took off a whole week before a fucking 5K. ran in very humid conditions and my legs felt like rocks


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/10 10:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty stoked. Hit the road tonight for what was supposed to be an easy 5 miler. Ended up at home after 6.5 at an 8;23 pace. I'm at 17.5 miles for the week and it's only wednesday.

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/10 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Grats!

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/10 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

new distance record for me today. 5.4 miles.
new fast pace for me. 9:15 mile.

Slow other than that, and took a new route, and it had a HELLAFIED hill, puddles and gravel on it. Knocked that mile down to a 12.xx mile.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-a...9_2893069_n.jpg

Total: 5.4 miles; 57 minutes. Gonna aim for 6.2 on the flats Tuesday and keep it around an hour.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/10 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You know what's funny ACR? I looked at that pic before I even looked at your location and had 2 thoughts:

1: That looks like a great area to run.
and
2: It looks just like the power line road my dad used to run back when I was in 5th grade in Gig Harbor, WA and I would follow on my bike.

Seeing that you live in Bellevue makes total sense. \:D


Great job on the PR's.






The cold two of my kids have hit me like a ton of bricks this morning, so I took the day off. I really want to top the week off with 25 miles so cold or no cold, I'm doing my long run of 8 miles on sunday. Gonna try and do 4 at a real easy pace tomorrow too. If I can do both, I'll hit 29.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/10 11:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ugh, i feel for you on the cold front. I've been coughing my lungs up for the better part of 2 weeks now. I think you got this though!

That trail is right between Redmond and Woodinville.

Actually shit, I forgot I can export maps with my run software. This is the trail right here. It's called the Sammamish River Trail. I ran it up until it intersected Powerline. You can see where the elevation said "fuck you, Laverty!" That hill kicked my ass.

http://www.worksmartlabs.com/cardiotrain...492d26e4ce760ce

I love not having to worry about crosswalks, cars, whatever. I'm really lucky to have that right next to work.

Trail pics: http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=61254


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/10 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

picked up my d-pad and race equipment for my 10K on saturday

just found out that they have another 10K on the 31st of this month. i may try to run in that one


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/10 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I've taken a complete week off from all exercise since my half. Partly because I've been all over the country and partly because my left lower leg started hurting on Wednesday, but that's fading. I feel like a complete piece of shit now.

I think tomorrow I'll get on the bike trainer for a bit and starting thinking about my training plan for race season. With it getting cold out I probably won't be running as much but will try to get in 2-3 short runs a week for the time being.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/10 09:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just set a couple PR's. Ran 10.5 (my farthest to this point was only 7)in 1:30. That's a 8:40 pace. Could have easily held that for another 2.6 which would put me at a 1:50 half. Stoked.

nato2377
(Post Master Sr)
12/12/10 06:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

took the delaware state police test on friday. ran 1.5 miles in 10:23. pretty good for me as i dont run much, maybe once or twice a week if im lucky, mainly just cycle. i know its not super fast but i did finish 2nd in my group by about 3 or 4 seconds and managed to beat the coast gaurd and army guy so i was pleased

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/12/10 07:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man.



I got up and headed down to the bay and swam 1.1 miles. Felt pretty good having not got in the water for 2 months.

Then I got home and decided to do a short ride. 21 miles at 18.9 mph. All that after running 10.5 last night. Good training weekend.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/10 09:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.4 at an 8:30 pace. Calves kind of tight, but it felt good to get out there.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/10 04:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3miles/25mins

fucking cold air beat my ass even with leggings on

the weather keeps up like this....i'm really going to reconsider running outside. i know that i said this a few weeks ago but man...yesterday that cold air snuck up on me and said "you aren't ready for me yet"


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/10 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.7 miles. 41 minutes.

Flooding is awesome. My whole trail was intermittently flooded out. it was an adventure. Unfortunately on that 5.x miler I did last week I strained my IT band. Started running today and it felt like someone was running through it with a serrated knife blade.

I pushed through, and i fucking shouldn't have. went out the trail, up that dirt trail from last week, and down the highway instead of back on the trail. Right now, ANY weight on my leg and i go weak in the knee and want to collapse. Can't walk for shit, and it's about about a 7/10 on the pain scale. I'm not cryin' but it's close. lol.

1: Short of hydrocodone, how do I make the pain stop?
2: How can i strengthen that band to prevent this happening again?
3: I think i fucked myself for running for probably a week or more. This started hurting last Thursday and wasn't getting better. This SUCKS.

Sometimes reasons aren't just excuses. Discretion would have been the better part of valor. Lesson learned. *grumble*


CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/10 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I timed myself for one mile today to see where I'm at.

I got a 9:15.

It isn't great but atleast it's something.

There are some local 5k's in February and March where I live.

I'd like to accomplish it in 30 minutes or better.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/10 05:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 8.5 miles this morning in 1:11...in a downpour. I felt like a wolf chasing down his prey out on the great plains. It was a great freaking run.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/20/10 12:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally broke into the 7 minute mile range. 5 miles in 39:30 = 7:54 pace. And that was in a downpour an hour after a pretty big dinner.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
12/20/10 02:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I say godDAMN man! Nicely done. Way to step it up!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/21/10 09:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9 miles in 1:17

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/22/10 07:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm slacking, but been stupid busy at work due to a huge case.

On Sunday I rode my road bike 15ish miles on the trainer doing a 2x20 set, and cooled down with 7ish miles on the rollers.

Ran 3 miles on the treadmill yesterday.

As much as I hate indoor riding and running, it can be really productive. Especially the bike - there is no coasting and no interruption of intervals by cars, etc. I need another week or so to get myself in the indoor riding mindset though.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/10 02:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 miles tonight in 1:05. Felt pretty damn good.


I just realized that after tonights run, I'm at 90.5 miles for the month. I'm determined to hit 100, so I guess I'm doing 10 tomorrow night. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/11 07:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did 9.5 last night at an 8:26 pace. Hit my 100 miles for December. :woot:

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/11 07:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 4 on friday at a 9.00 pace on the treadmill
ran 6 yesterday at a 10.00 pace -- treadmill

cierrecart -- i gotta get your pace down for my half in march


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/11 09:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7 weeks until my next half, and I've been running once, maybe twice a week over the past 3 weeks. Gotta get my ass in gear!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/11 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

14miles ran so far from friday. ran four more last night

got a 6miler scheduled for tomorrow morning


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/11 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice work man!

got back on the horse today with a 4miler on the TM. need to hit pavement again soon though.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/11 06:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah i have to hit pavement soon too

fucked around on friday and saturday and didnt capitalize on the 50/60 degree weather outside(we had light rain showers thus the warming of temps from the 20s/30s)

it's been treadmill running since friday and the last time i ran before that was about two/three weeks ago


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/11 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

we're in the same boat. I just went sledding and played with the kids this weekend - didn't enjoy the near 60 degree sunny weather the way I should have.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 07:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 6.1miles this morning at 4am. 9min/mile pace

thank god i have two day soff in my program because my legs and groin are feeling shitty now

21miles ran so far from last friday


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 08:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4am? fuck that noise.

do you stretch before bed? it's a good habit to get into.


CLAY'S 99SI
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm doing 3.1 miles 3 times a week, trying to get my time down to 30 minutes or less for my 1st 5k in February.

Jogged it in 33:45 last time while walking twice for a total of 1 lap out of 12.

I'll be running today and I'll try to cut my walk down to one time.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 10:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
4am? fuck that noise.

do you stretch before bed? it's a good habit to get into.


i stretch after i get done with my runs

only reason i did a 4am this morning was because my BIL wants us to come up to his house around 1 today to celebrate christmas(yes....i know we are behind schedule) and i KNOW i won't feel like doing it when we get back home later on tonight.

plus i had to come into the office at 8am....sooo 4.40am this morning felt like a nice enough time to do it.

by the time i made it to 6miles, i felt as though i could push it out to atleast 9 before my legs would give out.

next week, my run schedule is 4/4/7.

mrbeefhead, i have to pm you later for clarification on my marathon training instructions too


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn son that's good news though on feeling like you had more in you after 6. Next time step up the intensity.

and if you are planning to run a marathon you definitely need to be running 4x a week. But sure - PM away.

I haven't run a marathon yet, so I might not have the answers, but I have done 6 (or is it 7?) half marathons so I know my way around a training schedule


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 10:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it's a half marathon that i'm running with gigantor in march

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/11 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

oh nice - if your long run is already 7miles then you are in great shape - you could probably bust out 13 without a problem right now if you really tried.

shoot me your schedule, or just post it in a new thread - there are a lot of runners in here so you'd get a lot of feedback


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 12:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Been working hard the last few days:

Monday: 8 miles at 8:26 pace
Today: 4 miles at 9:00 pace (this one hurt because I did it about 12 hours after the 8 miler the night before...\
but tonight I finally got back in the pool and did 1500 yards at a 1:55/100 pace. felt really good and my legs really needed the therapy.



My schedule the next few weeks/months is filling out:

Jan 22: Cougar sprint Tri in San Diego
Feb 12th: Tour De Palm Springs 100 mile ride
March 13th: Sham Rock'n Half marathon in Sacramento. Goal here is to go sub 1:50.

Then in June it's Ironman CdA.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Getting back into the swing of things. 3.5 miles over the weekend that felt like shit. 4 miles yesterday that felt a lot better (although I've been sick and started hacking when I got home). Will ride my bike on the rollers tonight.

Gone sign up for our local St. Patty's Day 5 mile run and try to shoot for sub 42 minutes.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays


so true.

another 3 on the treadmill at lunch.

FUCK i need to get out and run in the streets soon


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 02:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

trust me...i feel the same about wanting to get outside and running.

took off work at lunch yesterday to go to my brother in law's house

the weather was fucking perfect. that evening...cold fucking city again


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 02:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays

Shitty diet and far too little exercise, despite the fact that I'm set up to easily ride my bike at home.

Ordered a Roku box for the TV in the room where I ride my bike, so getting Netflix up there should help me pass the time.

Now I have to fix my fucking diet again.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 07:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays

Speak for yourselves, Bitches. I had a 100 mile month.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4.5 miles after work tonight. Still kind of sick and about coughed up a lung when I got back home, but I got it in. Need to get over this shit so I can do some hard intervals on the bike.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 08:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

one more day til i run again. like i said before, i needed the little break.

ooh well, week 2 schedule is 4/4/7


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/11 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a fairly easy 7 miles at an 8:34 pace. After yesterdays crappy 4 miles, it felt good to feel good again.

I've decided to make tuesdays and thursdays pool nights. The question will be whether or not I want to run to the pool and back on one or both nights.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/11 09:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays

Speak for yourselves, Bitches. I had a 100 mile month.


looks at cierrecarts location weather......no wonder


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/11 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
lol we were some lazy bastards over the holidays

Speak for yourselves, Bitches. I had a 100 mile month.


looks at cierrecarts location weather......no wonder


weather jello-c club member checking in


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/11 03:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, we had a cold snap last week. Got down to 35 degrees at night.


Did 4 miles today with the girl in her stroller. She got heavier over the Xmas break. It was a struggle to hold 8:45.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/11 08:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4miles this morning on the treadmill. 8.30min /mile pace

going to push for another 4 this evening and then another 4 sunday morning


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/11 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

here's the running plan MrBeefHead



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/11 11:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Daaaaanggggg....

8.5 miles at an 8:06 pace. I constantly amazed with how much I'm progressing. I felt freaking great the whole way too.


Garest
(Post Master Sr)
01/07/11 11:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fuck you guys are fast.
i did a 4.5Mile run today in 32 minutes

but i get my numbers in metric so it said it was like 5:02min/KM pace. what is that like probably high 9mins/mile?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/11 03:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4miles/32mins

can't wait to get outside. tired of this treadmill bs

7mile run scheduled for tuesday(snow forecast)....might be treadmill again


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/11 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 mile ride at 19.8 mph yesterday morning then a 5 mile run at a 7:42 pace last night. About to head out on a 40 mile bike ride.


Weight loss stage 2 started a few days ago. Well be in Hawaii the first week of April and I want to look fantastic.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/11 08:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Took a 42 mile ride to bonktown today! Had only eaten 2 bananas before heading out, then forgot to bring anything along on the bike, so after the turnaround....fuuucccckkkkkk. It was painful. All I could think about was food.

Oh well. The wife is on the way home with some In n Out. I'll still be in a good 1500 calorie deficit.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
01/09/11 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Terrible first week of training for my May marathon. Nothing like 45 treadmill miles with a whopping 8 miles outside! Sadly, this will be my lowest weekly mileage until the week before the marathon.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 12:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stretch, whats your peak mileage in prep for your marathons?

I'm guessing I'll be at about 50 a few weeks before the IM.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 08:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got outside yesterday for my 6 miles. It wasn't as cold as I thought it would be, but the wind was howling.

totally lost my speed since my last outing - did the 6 in 54:30, around 9:03 pace. Before I took my winter hiatus I was doing 6 in around 51 minutes.

damn you laziness!!!


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 09:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
Finally got outside yesterday for my 6 miles. It wasn't as cold as I thought it would be, but the wind was howling.

totally lost my speed since my last outing - did the 6 in 54:30, around 9:03 pace. Before I took my winter hiatus I was doing 6 in around 51 minutes.

damn you laziness!!!


the wind took some of your air. were you running into it or against it?

if you were running into it..yeah, there's your reason for running slower. Running with itat your back....i think it could still take some out of you.

fuck...looks like i will be running a 2.5hr half marathon unless they have elevation changes which can speed up my time. the race description says that its one of the fastest looped courses in the country


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it was a loop so there were times when I was running with it, and then times when it was right in my face. I think it was less about the wind and more about me not running on pavement in the past 4 weeks...

I checked out your plan for the half and I think it looks good, but what's with the drop off in the long runs a third of the way through? You go 7,7,8 then it drops down to 5, then back up to 9s? Looks strange, but again I'm no expert.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i guess they're giving me time to not burnout my legs.

i hit the seven mile range this thursday. i'm thinking about doing that run at 4am. it should take me about an hour or a little more to run it, so i have to make sure there is a nice hour long program on xfinity to take my mind off of it.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 10:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

scratch that...the 7miler is tomorrow

might run it at a 9min/mile pace


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/11 12:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Most plans I've seen do have a recovery week, where the long run tapers way back, but then resumes the following week.


I'm seriously contemplating running the Palm Springs half marathon, which is the day after the Tour de Palm Springs 100 mile ride I'm doing. I'm already doing a half in March, but this would make for a fantastic training weekend. Hmmm...


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
01/10/11 04:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Stretch, whats your peak mileage in prep for your marathons?

I'm guessing I'll be at about 50 a few weeks before the IM.


It goes up to 75. This year, of the 16 weeks (not including the first and last week) the mileage goes from 55-75. I am using a program by Pfitz out of the legendary book "Advanced Marathoning"


Sir Ironpool
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01/10/11 07:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 miles today pushing the jogger. A little faster than normal: 8:27 pace.

Duc
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01/11/11 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got a 7miler this evening

i should have done it at 4am this morning but i overslept

i may try to do it in segments: 2mile warmup, 5K time trial, 2mile cool down

2miles at 9min/mile
3miles at 8min/mile
2miles at 10min/mile


Sir Ironpool
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01/11/11 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got done doing 6 miles pushing the stroller. Averaged an 8:37 pace, which is decent pushing an extra 40 pounds.

I actually tried 5 hour energy for the first time today. A 2 pack was on sale at target, so I picked it up. It did give me a good energy boost, but made me jittery as hell. Not gonna be a regular thing, but I can see it being useful on my really long bike/runs.


Sir Ironpool
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01/11/11 04:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and I just registered for the Palm Springs half marathon the day after the Tour De Palm Springs century (100 mile) ride. WOOT!

Cheesegoggles
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01/11/11 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Brought my cold weather running gear with me to NYC so I could run in central park tOmorrow morning. It appears that the foot of snow expected will keep me to the hotel treadmill.

Duc
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01/11/11 08:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7.1miles; 8m46sec/mile; 1hr1min; 986cals burned ( Nike+ )

Sir Ironpool
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01/13/11 08:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whew! Had a very productive training day.

Started with a 5 mile run with the baby this morning.
Then this afternoon I ran 2.5 miles to the pool, swam 3x500 and 5x100 at all out pace, then ran 2.5 miles home. I'm freaking beat......and about to grub down on a plate of Wahoos blackened fish!


Duc
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01/14/11 12:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4miles, 8.30min/mile pace, 34mins total at 1am

talk about dedication. now my cat is yelling at me to take my ass to bed


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
01/15/11 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Let's hope I get my legs back soon, I just signed up for the Cleveland Marathon, on May 15.

I had the last of my leg surgeries Thursday. And I still have to take it easy for about 2-3 weeks.


Sir Ironpool
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01/15/11 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Spent the day with the family and my parents at Joshua Tree climbing around, so no workout today. My dad and I are doing a 40 mile ride in the morning, and then I have a 10 mile run planned for the evening. I do that and I hit 38 miles for the week.

Duc
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01/16/11 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

scheduled for 5miles today but i feel as though i can do 9-10miles if i keep it in a 9min/mile pace

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/11 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Officially started training for this year's St. Patrick's day run. Its a 5 mile run. Did it last year and it was my first organized run ever. Also the first time I'd ever run more than 4 miles in my life. My goal was under 50 minutes which I made by mere seconds. The route is a little hillier than what I was used to in my training and I did have to take one walk break around the 3 mile mark.

So this year the distance isn't really an issue, nor is running the entire distance or the hills. This year I'd like to improve on my time. Goal is sub 42:30 (8:30 per mile). So I started Hal Higdon's intermediate 8k/5m training plan today with an easy 3 miler on the treadmill. Not sure on my pace as my Garmin and the treadmill tended to be about 30ish seconds per mile different - need to get to the track to calibrate the Garmin. It wasn't anything to write home about since my goal was heart rate under 160 bpm, i.e. top of zone 3 or just a hair under zone 4. Wasn't entirely successful as I crept up to about 163-165 and for the last mile kept ratcheting down my pace a bit to keep from going higher. Good easy run though, despite the fact that I hate the treadmill.

Followed it with about a half hour of weight training.


Duc
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01/16/11 06:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5miles/42mins tempo run today


why do the short run feel like shit?


Sir Ironpool
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01/16/11 08:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Rode 40 miles this morning, and just finished my 10 mile run. My left knee started hurting like a SOB, so I'm going to scale back this week. I bought a new trainer, so I'll get some good time in on that and try and get at least 3 days in the pool.

Duc
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01/18/11 05:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5am run

7miles, 64mins, 9min/mile pace


Sir Ironpool
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01/18/11 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FUCK!
My lower back completely seized up last night. No idea how it happened. One minute felt fine, the next I start feeling some minor aching.....a few hours later I can't even stand up. Spent the whole night laying flat on the couch on an ice pack, or in a scalding hot tub...popping ibuprofen like crazy.
Got a good nights sleep and woke up with alot of the pain gone. Well, at least I can walk. Bend over? Not so much.

This happened to me 4 years ago and it lasted a few days and was then gone completely. Thankfully I was taking this week off from running anyways.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/11 11:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

uh oh

Sir Ironpool
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01/18/11 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...it sucks. I'm thinking that maybe during sundays 10 miler when my knee started acting up, I may have put extra stress on my back. My brother the dosctor prescribed me ice, heat, motrin and rest for the next day, but if it gets worse he can call in a script for some muscle relaxers for me.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/11 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterday was another easy run - 2.5 miles on the treadmill.

Went and did a tempo run on the treadmill at lunch. Started out at about an 11:30/mile pace and over ten minutes gradually ratcheted up to 8:20/mile. Held 8:20/mile for ten minutes, then gradually back down for ten more minutes.

I hate the fucking treadmill


Duc
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01/18/11 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i hate the treadmill too

CrazeD
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01/18/11 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
i hate the treadmill too


Me too. I HATE treadmills. It's not that they're hard, but it just feels boring.. like no progress is being made. Also it's too easy to just step off the thing lol. When running out in the city, once you're a couple miles out, there's no quitting or temptation to quit since you have to get back home \:\)


Anyway.. I has a question about running vs. using the elliptical. When I first signed up at the gym (years ago), the trainer guy said I need to maintain a heart rate of about 150-160bpm when doing cardio as that'd be the aerobic zone.. So I'd be burning fat and gaining endurance/performance. Ive basically read the same thing on the Internets. The Internets also say that having a HR that is too high will result in not as good results.

When I run, my HR is off the scale.. like 185bpm. Runners tell me that Im running to hard and too slow down, but my pace is already pretty crappy (like 8:30-9:00/mile) .. If I slow down any further, Ill barely be moving. I dunno, it just seems like I cant maintain that 155bpm when running.

Now if I go to the gym and use the elliptical machine, I can set the machine to a certain resistance so that I can maintain 155bpm throughout the excercise. What would be a more effective cardio workout..

35 minutes of running with an average HR of 182bpm
35 minutes of elliptical with an average HR of 150bpm

???

EDIT:
Here's a graph from my garmin watch from a couple weeks ago.. notice Im not even moving fast, but my HR keeps going upward towards death \:\(


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/11 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dude...enough with the science

what are you trying to do exactly?? are you trying to lean out or lose weight and bulk up??


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/11 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

gonna do a 6k today. lulz.

havent touched the pavement in a while.


CrazeD
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01/18/11 03:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
dude...enough with the science

what are you trying to do exactly?? are you trying to lean out or lose weight and bulk up??


I dont really want to be big and bulky. Ive always had decent muscle tone without even doing much at all. I think it's a black thing.

So I just want to lose weight and looked nice and toned by summer, so I wont feel embarassed if I want to go shirtless at Intervention @ the Hard Rock in Downtown San Diego.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_k6WYHycBM


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/11 10:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazeD_Z06
When I run, my HR is off the scale.. like 185bpm. Runners tell me that Im running to hard and too slow down, but my pace is already pretty crappy (like 8:30-9:00/mile) .. If I slow down any further, Ill barely be moving. I dunno, it just seems like I cant maintain that 155bpm when running.

I'm kind of the same. My heart rate gets pretty high running even at a slow pace. Below is my run today. A tempo run with ten minutes building from 11:00 min/mile to 8:30 min/mile, hold at 8:30/mile for ten minutes, then ten minutes working back down. You also not above that I didn't recover much when I slowed the pace for the last ten minutes. It drops pretty quickly though when I slow to a walk.



I cannot run at any pace and hold my heart rate below 160 bpm. My max is around 205.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/11 01:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

its cause black people like you are sprinters, not distance guys ;\)

Duc
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01/21/11 08:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5.2miles/45min/8.34pace

was supposed to run 4 but i didnt look at my run plan

5miles sunday and an 8mile run tuesday


Sir Ironpool
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01/23/11 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished a 70 mile bike ride.

Duc
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01/23/11 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran a 5mile tempo run today

5miles/42mins

have an 8miler scheduled for tuesday


Cheesegoggles
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01/23/11 07:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 mile run yesterday, easy 3 mile run today

Sir Ironpool
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01/25/11 12:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.5 miles tonight. Did it at an 8:05 pace. Feeling good about my 100/13.1 weekend next month.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/11 07:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 miles this morning of speed work. At least "speed" by my slow standards. Warm up, 6 rounds of 400 m at a fast pace followed by 400 m of light jog, then cool down.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/11 07:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got an 8mile run this evening. mapping out a route as we speak.

fucking running buddy didnt show up to work on time, so i'll have to do my run solo this evening since he will still be at work. who fucking says "cool. i'll run with you" but doesnt show up to work at the time they requested.


fucking bastard


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/11 07:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
6.5 miles tonight. Did it at an 8:05 pace. Feeling good about my 100/13.1 weekend next month.


good luck. i think my 13.1 will be in the 2.10 range due to the weather


micah
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01/25/11 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
4 miles this morning of speed work. At least "speed" by my slow standards. Warm up, 6 rounds of 400 m at a fast pace followed by 400 m of light jog, then cool down.

Nice! For me, the speed stuff was real important, it seemed like it kind of got my legs used to that pace, which then made running that fast for the whole run come a lot more naturally.


Sir Ironpool
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01/25/11 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
6.5 miles tonight. Did it at an 8:05 pace. Feeling good about my 100/13.1 weekend next month.


good luck. i think my 13.1 will be in the 2.10 range due to the weather


Thanks man. I'm still hoping for a 1:55 or so run, but since it's less than a day after that 100 mile bike ride, I'm not sure I'll be 100%.
Good thing is I'm signed up for the Shamrock N half marathon in March as well. I plan to PR that one no matter what. \:D


Duc
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01/25/11 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

set a PR today!!!!!!!!

8.66miles in 1hr16min. i need to ge tmy pace back up to 8.30-8.34. today's pace was 9.04

i slacked off towards the end because i got lost around the capital hill area and by the supreme court on my way back to union station

miles 1-4 : 8.00 to 8.49
miles 5-6 : 10.16
mile 7 : 9.07
mile 8 : 8.34


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/11 11:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lazy ass 5k tonight. 5:25km/hr pace (8:43/mile)
just took it easy


Sir Ironpool
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01/26/11 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The middle kid is home sick with a stomach flu, so I hopped on the trainer while she was taking a nap. Did an hour tempo ride while watching cooking shows, lol. When they cut to commercial I'd shift and hammer out at max effort till the show was back on. I was sweating like a mofo by the end!

Tonight I plan on running to the pool (2.5 miles) swimming about 3000 yards, then run home.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/11 07:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a 4mile run at 2am this morning(thanks to radiosdead for the motivation)

4miles/34mins/8min34sec pace


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/11 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 6.2 in the AM yesterday and then did 2000 yards in the pool last night. Hit a new low with my weight as well: 174.6.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/11 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats. you're eating better i assume??

Sir Ironpool
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01/28/11 11:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep....and limiting calories to 1600 regardless of what I burn.




Pushed the jogger today for 4 miles at an 8:07 pace, then got home and jumped on the trainer for 45 minutes. Great workout. Hit 173.6 on the scale today too.

Plan for this weekend:
Sat: 11 mile run
Sun: 80 mile bike ride.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/11 01:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn 174....

as mentioned in the other thread. did a 5k(3.1xx miles @ 5.00 min/km (or 8.02 per mile) and it was nice and relaxed.
i need to be doing some professional sport LMAO(ive had some beers fyi ...uh not good to be in here ;\) )

I could easily do a low 4 40 yrd dash. no bullshit. I dont fuck around


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/11 09:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy FUCK! Just ran 12.1 miles at a 7:56 pace!

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
01/30/11 12:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Holy FUCK! Just ran 12.1 miles at a 7:56 pace!




Damn bro, you dont look like it (no offense at all), but you're a pretty good runner.

Are you going to do the Long Beach half-marathon? It's sometime in summer. Looks like you'll be able to breeze through it right now. I want to try it. Probably gonna end up average 10 min/mile \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/30/11 10:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know. Short legs, still slightly pudgy...it just doesn't add up. Honestly, I think it's just that I've been putting the training in...and the fact that I just really enjoy running.


My wife ran the full Long Beach Marathon last year, but I won't be doing it this year because it will be really close to when I'm doing Ironman Arizona. I'm running the Palm Springs half in 2 weeks, which is the day after the Palm Springs 100 mile bike ride I'm doing as well. Then I'm doing the Shamrock n'Half up in Sacramento on St Patty's Day.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
01/30/11 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got the ok from the doc on Wed. that I could start training again. I ran for the first time since early Nov. on Friday. I did 5.5mi in just over 46.min.. I should have taken it a little easier because I paid for it yesterday morning.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/30/11 10:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
I got the ok from the doc on Wed. that I could start training again. I ran for the first time since early Nov. on Friday. I did 5.5mi in just over 46.min.. I should have taken it a little easier because I paid for it yesterday morning.



Lol, I bet you did!


Euphoricuck
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01/31/11 01:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

12.1 miles wtf

good job mommy. keep up the good work


Duc
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01/31/11 06:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good job dude

congrats to you mike but take it easy too


Sir Ironpool
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01/31/11 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
12.1 miles wtf

good job mommy. keep up the good work


lol, I know. I kind of ran out of road, and if I'd ran straight to my doorstep, I would have only hit 12.8 or so. I figured I'd be better off with a good cool-down walk, so I stopped a mile short of the 1/2 mary distance. Plus it made it easy to figure out what my time would have been for 13.1. \:D


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/31/11 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 5 miles on Saturday and 3 miles yesterday. Took today off.

Traveling to DC tomorrow if the weather cooperates. With two days there would like to try and get one run in there and maybe run past some sites. We will see.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/31/11 09:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 120 miles this month. PB by 20 miles.

micah
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02/01/11 11:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazeD_Z06
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Holy FUCK! Just ran 12.1 miles at a 7:56 pace!




Damn bro, you dont look like it (no offense at all), but you're a pretty good runner.

Watch out for us chubbers, we will sneak up on you (and then steal your sammich!) I'm a 20:xx 5k runner - fast enough that I'm too worn out to suck in my stomach when I see the photographer:


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
02/01/11 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ah man, finally getting back on the wagon after the ITBS hell I was going through. 4 miles, 44 mins. Gotta get the pace back up.

Micah, I don't think you can call chubber on yourself if you can run w/o a shirt on lol.

Cierrecart! (yes, i can't call you mom, it just doesn't feel right, nor do I know ya well enough to use your first name lol) that's an AWESOME run! holy carp! 12.1? jeebus.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/01/11 08:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 6 miles at a 8:11 pace pushing the jogger into the goddamned wind earlier today. Off to the pool!

Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/02/11 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Ran 120 miles this month. PB by 20 miles.


Nice! Will not post my January total, but as long as I stay injury free I am very confident for qualifying for Boston this year. Over 70 miles last week, with one run outside when it got up to 30 degrees last Friday! Basement treadmill and the .4 mile indoor track on base FML!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/11 10:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

With that kind of mileage on the treadmill,you are a god in my eyes...BQ or not.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/11 10:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Quick little 5 miler today at 8:08 pace pushing the stroller. Followed it with 30 minutes on the trainer.

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/11 12:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 4 miles @ 8:45 pace yesterday. Wasnt too bad actually because I didnt feel like death at the end. Probably coulda went another mile or two.

EDIT: Did 3.5 miles on the treadmill tonight as easy 9:15 pace.

Ill be doing this in march.. http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana/community/5k_funrun.jsp

Any tips on how to start with the "real runners" in a 5k? Do you just show up real early? Last year when I did the 5k run for the All-Star game, I had to battle through about 10k people because I could finally open up my stride and get to running.

Last year there were so many people that the "fast" runners were already returning while we were waiting to start lol


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/11 06:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

start at the back

trust me. starting at the front isnt a good idea unless you are a fast runner who can break away from the pack and maintain that pace for 2/3rds of the run


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/03/11 06:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
With that kind of mileage on the treadmill,you are a god in my eyes...BQ or not.


Thanks! School was canceled and I was home from work so the wife and I just took turns on the treadmill. Supposedly it is getting up to 35 tomorrow, so I can run outside on the ice!

I swear after this marathon I am going to concentrate on swimming/biking for a month or two before a fall marathon.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/11 08:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazeD_Z06
Any tips on how to start with the "real runners" in a 5k? Do you just show up real early? Last year when I did the 5k run for the All-Star game, I had to battle through about 10k people because I could finally open up my stride and get to running.

At race day, what pace are you going to be looking for? Something like 8 minutes or a little better? Definitely start near the front. Most people at a race this big spent more time setting up their ipod playlist for the race than training and you don't want to get stuck behind 'em.

Just head over to the line a little early, be confident, and stay up near the front - if you're there 20 minutes before the gun it's not going to be a mosh pit or anything. I personally wouldn't be *on* the line because there are 15 minute runners there who can use the space, but I'd be right behind those guys. You'll pass some people and some people will pass you, just run straight and be aware of your space so you don't cut anyone off or get cut off.

Oh, and LEARN WHAT YOUR PACE FEELS LIKE! If you're starting near the front you might end up running a 6:00 pace for your first half mile and then you're fucked. I cheat with my gps watch thingy but either way, run your own race and don't start off too fast. Most people do and if you do it right you'll be reeling them in later.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/11 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great advice! I learned the same thing with the swim portion of my first triathlons. All the guys with big egos that wanted to toe the line so I hung near the back. Gun goes off and I have to swim over s bunch of guys dog paddling. Now I always get right in the front. I'd rather be in the mix with faster guys than having to swim over slower ones.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/11 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Easy 6 miles today at an 8:11 pace. 21 miles for the week already....not including the 10 miler I plan on doing this weekend. Next week will be a taper for the 100/13.1 next weekend.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/11 06:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got a 5mile tempo run this evening

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Raced 10 miles in the cold (39 F) and heavy rain this weekend.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/66968631

I actually am not happy with my time and my pace was slower than my pace in my last 13.1. I think it was either

a) The field was very thin, and I was running by myself most of the time, so I might not have been pushing as hard as I could, or
b) I've been lifting a lot more lately and my upper body was sore during the race. Maybe either the soreness, or just the energy my body is putting into recovery, slowed me down.

It had a stadium/track finish which was kind of cool. In any case, it was a terrible fucking way to spend a Saturday morning, but my girl ran too and took second in age, and we came home and got intoxicated on mimosas by 11am.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7.14/mile

that's good bro

looks like there wasnt too much of an elevation change. seems like it was a fast course


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
Raced 10 miles in the cold (39 F) and heavy rain this weekend.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/66968631

I actually am not happy with my time and my pace was slower than my pace in my last 13.1. I think it was either

a) The field was very thin, and I was running by myself most of the time, so I might not have been pushing as hard as I could, or
b) I've been lifting a lot more lately and my upper body was sore during the race. Maybe either the soreness, or just the energy my body is putting into recovery, slowed me down.

It had a stadium/track finish which was kind of cool. In any case, it was a terrible fucking way to spend a Saturday morning, but my girl ran too and took second in age, and we came home and got intoxicated on mimosas by 11am.


Is that free? Id like to be able to share my runs like that. I have a Garmin 305.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

W00000t... I just shattered my own 3 mile best time of 25:30..

Ran 3 miles in 24:22.. Of course I almost died doing it

EDIT:

Sweet.. Garmin rocks..

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/67214069



Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 08:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A little behind on posting. Easy 4.5 mile run today. A couple of other runs in since my last post including a 3.5 mile tempo run. Did an hour and fifteen minutes yesterday on the bike (first hour on the trainer and fifteen minutes on the rollers).

Got 7x400 speed work tomorrow.

I think I'm going to sign up for a 5k on 2/26. Its right here in the neighborhood so I know the streets - have run them lots of times. As long as its not stupid cold or snowing I think I'll do it. Then there is the 5 mile run on St. Patrick's Day.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/11 10:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys!


Today was my first completely "off" day off. I ran 34 miles last week.

My big weekend is coming up in 4 days, so I'm tapering this week. The plan is for 1 or 2 easy 4 milers, an evening in the pool, and maybe two 45 minute sessions on the trainer. The century starts at 7am on saturday. Hoping to do that in less than 6 hours...but it depends on the crowds, stops etc. It's a ride, not a race, so we'll see.
The half mary is at 7am on sunday, and my goal is 1:50. That goal could change depending on how I feel after the bike ride. I don't plan to take longer than 2 hours either way.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 05:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2miles, 17mins...gearing up for tomorrow's ten miler

just looked at my run scheduler...it's going to be brutal for the next 6wks lol

2/08-2/13 - 2/10/5/6
2/14-2/20 - 10/6/6
2/21-2/27 - 11/6/6
2/28-3/06 - 11/6/6
3/07-3/13 - 12/6/6
3/14-3/20 - 8/5/4
3/21-3/27 - 2/2/13.1

my runs are on fri/sun/tues. this week they are tues/wed/friday and then back on schedule


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/08/11 07:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
I think I'm going to sign up for a 5k on 2/26. Its right here in the neighborhood so I know the streets - have run them lots of times. As long as its not stupid cold or snowing I think I'll do it. Then there is the 5 mile run on St. Patrick's Day.


I'm thinking of hitting the St Patty day run. Not sure I'll be in good form by then though.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You fucker, you've had a Garmin watch but you weren't using Connect?

It's a nice site. Small tip, they just switched to Bing maps, if you use Chrome you can get the Google maps back by using the GFix extension. It's a one click install and it works seamlessly.

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/fbeiifjiimghhaijicmdphhpockpbldc


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
7.14/mile

that's good bro

looks like there wasnt too much of an elevation change. seems like it was a fast course

Thanks! It felt worse than it looks... there were a few looooong hills that just kind of take it out of you.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
7.14/mile

that's good bro

looks like there wasnt too much of an elevation change. seems like it was a fast course

Thanks! It felt worse than it looks... there were a few looooong hills that just kind of take it out of you.


yeah but you get it back(pace wise) on the backside coming down

that the fun part of running outside


rbf351
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 12:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i finally decided to give cardio a chance, seems that diet alone isn't getting rid of the fat i want to lose

started on Friday of last week on my lunch break of an hour

so i walk an hour a day
Friday - 3.46 miles @ 3.5MPH
Monday - 3.63 miles @ 3.7MPH
Tuesday (today)- 3.81 miles @ 3.8MPH

these results are from the nike app on my iphone

i always had a problem where my shins were killing me after a mile, so i'm starting out slow, and upping the speed a drop everyday


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 05:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
I think I'm going to sign up for a 5k on 2/26. Its right here in the neighborhood so I know the streets - have run them lots of times. As long as its not stupid cold or snowing I think I'll do it. Then there is the 5 mile run on St. Patrick's Day.


I'm thinking of hitting the St Patty day run. Not sure I'll be in good form by then though.

I'm not going to set any land speed records, but this run last year was my first organized run. I'd been running for a few months and just wanted to finish in under 50 minutes. Made that by about ten seconds.

I'm hoping to break 42 minutes this year. I've never run that pace for five miles before, but hoping that the motivation of a timed event and some luck with good weather will get me there.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/08/11 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm hoping anything under 40. Just started running again and it sucks. Hope the weather gets better.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 08:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So yeah, new distance record for me.

I actually did a 10k on lunch! 6.3 miles, just over an hour (1:06?). Would have made it in just about exactly an hour had I not thrown Powerline Trail (that bigass hill i showed you guys last time) into the mix!

We'll see how the ITBS feels in the morning, but right now, i'm happy as hell.

3 miles surprised the hell out of me in November. 6 now? Surprised everyone else.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/11 10:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's like a landslide I tell you. One day it feels like a struggle to go nowhere, and next thing you know you're going longer/faster than you could have imagined. Great job homie.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/11 06:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10.3miles this morning at 9.29min/pace

got a 5miler thursday followed by a 6mile tempo run on sunday


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/11 08:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7x400 speed work yesterday - 7 rounds of 400 meters at about a 7:20 pace with 400 meters in between in the 9:30 to 10:00 range. About 4.5 miles total with warm up and cool down.

Just gonna hit the bike today.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/09/11 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's what I've been doing to. Trying to keep it in the 8:00 min to 7:00 range. But I can only keep it up for 2-3 miles....

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/11 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
That's what I've been doing to. Trying to keep it in the 8:00 min to 7:00 range. But I can only keep it up for 2-3 miles....


kinda hard to do unless you routinely run 7 to 7.30pace.

someone here ran a half with times ranging in the 8-8.45pace times last year


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/11 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
That's what I've been doing to. Trying to keep it in the 8:00 min to 7:00 range. But I can only keep it up for 2-3 miles....

Yeah, I'm not sure I can even do that. Next week I've got a tempo run where I'll try to hold an 8:00/mile pace for 20 minutes. I need to focus more on dropping some poundage which should help some.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/11 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anywhere from 1-3 seconds per mile per pound lost. :D. It's awesome.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/09/11 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was when I stopped running in Nov. Slowly trying to get back to that point.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/09/11 08:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got done at the gym. Lifted for a bit then did 2 miles in 20 min.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/11 08:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5miles/8.45min pace per mile

6mile run on sunday follwed up with an 11miler come tuesday


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/11 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
You fucker, you've had a Garmin watch but you weren't using Connect?

It's a nice site. Small tip, they just switched to Bing maps, if you use Chrome you can get the Google maps back by using the GFix extension. It's a one click install and it works seamlessly.

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/fbeiifjiimghhaijicmdphhpockpbldc


Sweet thanks.. Yea, I didnt even know about the Garmin Connect thing. They shoulda sent me an email or something lol \:D

Gonna try 5 miles again today.. See how it goes.. Im definitely getting faster. Wonder if it's because my endurance is increasing or if it's because Im down to 16lbs from when I started running.. got a better power to weigh ratio now \:D


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/11/11 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

both.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/11 01:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

what's up fuckers.

today was 5m on the treadmill in 44:03

t-minus 9 days to the half marathon. I think I will do 8 on Sunday then see what happens. Never been so unprepared for a race in all my life.

also, my knee hurts.

here's what my weeks have looked like over the last 26 weeks:



CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/11 08:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yay.. another 5 miles.. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/67756977

\:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/11 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tour de Palm Springs 104 mile ride: DONE.
6:04 ride time/17mph average with an extremely crowded course. Had to slow to a crawl alot. Overall a great ride. Bring on the half mary!


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/11 03:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Tour de Palm Springs 104 mile ride: DONE.
6:04 ride time/17mph average with an extremely crowded course. Had to slow to a crawl alot. Overall a great ride. Bring on the half mary!


104?! Awesome!

I did a ride today... about a FIFTH of what you did and I was hurtin'. Averaged about 17 on the way out, peaked at 23 on the flats... but the ten miles back? I could hardly break 6... 10 miles of headwind and crosswind that brought me to a stop a couple times, just hovering against the wind.

What was the terrain like for your ride? How much was hills? how much wind to fight?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/11 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran most of the 5 mile St. Patty's Day course yesterday. With temps above 40 finally it was comfortable enough outside and most of the ice had finally melted. A little over a 9:00 minute/mile pace. It wasn't too hard, but given I haven't run a hill for a month or so it wasn't super easy either. Need to get some hill work in over the next month.

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/13/11 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bout time the weather turned.... Gonna hit the gym and then the park to log a couple miles.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/11 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i want to run outside today but i have a 6mil tempo run that i'm supposed to do

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/11 02:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finished the Palm Springs half mary in 1:50:17. Pretty happy with that considering lots of hills and my IT started flaring up. Pretty sure I can go sub 1:45 next month.

ACR: the course had some decent climbs in the first 50 miles, but lots of flat areas that were fast. We averaged 20mph for the areas where we weren't stuck behind crowds. No wind at all, thankfully.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/11 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/13/11 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work!

Just got done @ the park. Did 2.5 miles in 20 min. Not a bad time for the first run outside since Nov.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 09:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4.8 miles at 8:59/mile. I didn't feel like I had a whole lot of gas left in the tank at the end, but my last .8 miles at 8:40 was the fastest split recorded on my Garmin, so maybe a little something left. Still really want to work my pace solidly into the 8's.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 10:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bought a foam roll at REI yesterday and used it s bunch on my IT band last night, then iced it. Woke up today and it feels 75% better already. I love that thing.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

can't believe it took you that long to get the foam love

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha...I have never had any kind of pain like I did after that half. I had no idea it felt so good to use it on other body parts that felt okay already. Using it on my quads felt awesome.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i still haven't invested in any foam lovin

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 06:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Do EEET. So much better. Foam roller is awesome, even though i've never been able to get my whole ITB w/o shooting off it in pain. I get a good 2/3rds of it though, and have started using the one in the gym when I can't get to mine at home. \:\) About to order an office roller too!

Another 3.x miles down for me today. My running partners at work picked up a lot of speed while I was out with leg issues... since coming back i've been stuck firmly in the high 5mph range, and not gaining back to where I was before the injury. (6.2 avg, peaking at like 6.5/6) Kinda sucks, but I just make sure that I stay out longer/run farther since they pace way ahead of me now.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 08:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fucking treadmill cut off and died at the 100min mark for me today

10.64miles/9m24sec pace

another distance PR even though i was going for 11miles


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/11 10:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10 miles on a treadmill? Id go stir crazy \:\)

Good job breaking the machine lol!


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/11 08:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i was going for 11

we east coasters don't have the benefit of that west coast weather. i usually run on it late in the day, early in the morning, or at times when the temps are too cold to run outside


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/19/11 08:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2nd 20 miler of the year today. Felt like nothing. Coached basketball for my kids and then lifted with the wife after the run. Put me @ 140 so far for February, which more than doubled my Feb total last year. Now if they would just stop changing the Boston qualifying times \:\(

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/11 12:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, Stretch....you were the first person I thought of when I read about the changes. I thought you had got pretty close to qualifying before, so those extra minutes they tacked on must be pissing you off. \:D

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/11 03:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 miler...felt like nothing? Shit. I wanna be at that point. Good on ya man.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/11 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

23 mile bike ride this morning. Felt pretty good for first time outside this year - about 1:24 or so with some nasty winds for about 2/3 of the ride (and of course helpful wind the other 1/3).

Later in the afternoon went out for a 7 plus mile run with the wife. Still windy and lots of traffic lights we had to stop at downtown. 9:06/mile pace.

Going to do a couple of shorter distance runs this week and then have a 5k this weekend.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/20/11 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
lol, Stretch....you were the first person I thought of when I read about the changes. I thought you had got pretty close to qualifying before, so those extra minutes they tacked on must be pissing you off. \:D


No kidding. Figures I finally turn 30 and they make it tougher to qualify. It's crazy that the Lincoln marathon here sold out a few weeks ago and is not until 2 May. They even upped it to 10k participants from 8k last year. Will be fun either way.

On another note we finally got the wife a road bike, and she is excited to start triathlon training after she does the half!


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/20/11 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ACR Racer
20 miler...felt like nothing? Shit. I wanna be at that point. Good on ya man.


Eventually your body just gets used to it. Drove me nuts to just lift with the wife today. Legs were good to go.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/11 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First timed 5k tomorrow. Would really love to get under 25 minutes but not sure if that's happening.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/11 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was a moron, and even though I should have been laying off the running for a bit after that 1/2 irritated my IT, I ran several days last week and 4 days this week. It was slightly bothersome once I went past 3 miles, but it was bearable and it didn't hurt when not running, so I would kind of forget about it. Did 6 miles yesterday and that was a bit too far.
Took today off and just rode the trainer. Going to refrain from running all weekend and see how I feel. I want to be 100% on the 13th so I can crush my current 1/2 PR.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/11 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
First timed 5k tomorrow. Would really love to get under 25 minutes but not sure if that's happening.


You can do it.. Just keep pushing and telling yourself it's only three miles or so \:\)

I just did my best three mile time.. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/70087487
Ran 23:23.. prior to that my best was 24:43

\:D


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/11 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Was shooting for under 25 minutes and snuck in by about 10 seconds! Having done some speed work helped - I knew I wouldn't die even when my heart felt like it wanted to explode. The course was in my neighborhood - literally ran past my front door - so it was streets I knew well. Only really tough part was the 4th k which was pretty much all uphill. We had run pretty hard in the earlier downhill parts of the race knowing that it would be uphill at the end and I was hurting pretty good when that hill came around.

When my wife and I registered there was only one chip left and they gave it to me without us really thinking about it. Should have given it to my wife - she finished with me and would have placed 5th in her age group based on my time. This wasn't a huge race as it was its first year, and she only missed 3rd by about 20 seconds. She told me she had the gas to drop me in the last 2k and would have done it had she been wearing the chip, so she might have been able to place.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
02/26/11 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did you run the Mardi Gras 5k?

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/11 01:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bladeofgrass
Did you run the Mardi Gras 5k?

Yes that is the one.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/11 01:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man! Nothing like beating your expectations!

Pics of fast wife? \:D


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/11 08:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fucking ingrown toenail

looks like i won't be running my 11-miler this week unless i can push thru the pain or get hopped up on some painkillers


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/28/11 07:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

February was good to me

Turned 30
First sub 20 minute 5k
Ran 200 injury free miles


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/11 07:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job dude!


Had a low mileage week running last week as I've been trying to take it easy. Anything over 4 miles and my IT starts acting up. I think I'm just gonna have to not run the next two weeks until the 1/2 mary on the 13th.

The silver lining is that I've been putting some real good time in on the bike. Last week I rode on the trainer 3 days (hour each time) and did a good 40 miler on the road on sunday. Gonna try and ride every day this week to make up for the lack of running.


Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
02/28/11 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any chance it's your shoes? The "experts" at my local running store had me in some Asics that the people at RoadRunnerSports said were a horrible shoe for me. Too much $$$$ and rotating through 3 pair of running shoes this year and I am good to go.

Give me a few more years of serious marathon training before it's triathlon time \:\)

Still waiting for the road bike we ordered for my wife to come in.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/11 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I thought it might have been, but I rotate through 3 different pairs of shoes, from cushioned to flats, and I couldn't narrow it down to any one that was causing the issue. I even got some brand new LunaRacers and I still get the issues (awesome shoe otherwise). I'm pretty sure it started one week a month back were I really bumped my mileage (went from 25 to 38) and on one long run it started hurting. I took a week off and started again with no issues. Then during that half 2 weeks ago, it flared up. I haven't given it an honest chance to heal though..and that's my fault. Only 4 months till IM CdA, so I don't want to take any run time off...but I know I need to. Just gonna shoot for a solid PR in this half on St Patty's day (sub 1:45), then do 2 or 3 weeks of solid swim/bike building and let it heal.

Stretch
(Post Master Sr)
03/01/11 08:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like a good plan. I cannot believe how focused on marathon training I am this year.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/11 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 11.41 miles today. felt damn good and i've found my natural pace of 9.30mins per mile.

this half marathon may be a bitch though


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/01/11 10:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you can run 11mi you'll have no problem with going another 2, especially with all the other runners around you.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/11 10:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well...even though I'm suffering through a head cold right now, today I was able to get some good training in.

3.5 mile run, 20mile/hour long ride on the trainer, and a 2000 yard swim.


It looks like 3.5-4 miles is the limit of where I can run with no pain before the knee starts acting up. Everything I've read says that with IT issues, you can still run, just stop once you start feeling pain. I figure I can still get in 23 miles a week while I let it heal....which is great.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/11 08:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So after doing the Sufferfest Revolver workout on my bike yesterday morning, I got up a little before 6 am this morning for a 5 mile run. First mile and half or so feels pretty good, but somewhere between 2 and 2.5 miles I've got serious fatigue setting in. I ended up with about 4.4 miles and those last two were really brutal.

Pace of 9:16/mile for those parts of the run where I actually ran. I stopped my watch when I stopped at intersections (which I intentionally did more than usual) and for the few walk breaks I took.

Not a good run, but I'll just tell myself that even though it sucked there should be some payoff in the end for the effort I did put in today by doing some running when my body told me it wanted to quit.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/11 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Not a good run, but I'll just tell myself that even though it sucked there should be some payoff in the end for the effort I did put in today by doing some running when my body told me it wanted to quit.

You got it. You might not have pushed your muscles or lungs but you pushed your mental toughness, which is plenty important on race day.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/11 09:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuckin A! 5 miles at a 7:24 pace with ZERO problems with my knee.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/11 09:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
03/04/11 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good work!

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/11 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6miles, 9min pace

was holding steady at 8.15/8.30 until the wind hit me at the washington monument and onto and around capitol hill


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/11 08:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
6miles, 9min pace

was holding steady at 8.15/8.30 until the wind hit me at the washington monument and onto and around capitol hill


That sounds pretty fuckin cool getting to run around monuments and shit..

Just got back from a 6.4 mile run @ 8:47 pace. I mean to go 6 miles, but took a wrong turn and added .4 miles to my trip lol.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/71261749

I didnt warmup well enough or something because my left calf started to tighten up only 2 miles in. I probably could have gone a bit faster or farther or both because I dont feel winded or out of energy at all right now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/11 09:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7 miles at a 7:54 pace. Knee only twanged twice on me but I slowed it down a beat and it was gone. I think the key for now is to avoid hills at all costs, and keep my turnover high and low to the ground.
Also did an hour on the trainer earlier today. Planning on a 50 miler this weekend.


A S D
(Sr Member)
03/06/11 06:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First time posting in this thread for a very long time.

I've been training for a half on March 20 (2 weeks from today) and I ran 11 miles yesterday @ 8:01/mile. Felt pretty good after wards. Hoping to break the 1:45 mark for the half.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/11 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

which half are you training for?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/11 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

52 mile bike ride in 2:50.

A S D
(Sr Member)
03/06/11 08:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: big colloRAHRAH
which half are you training for?


training for the Yuengling Shamrock half in Va. Beach.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/09/11 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Has anyone ran with a pace group for a marathon before? I tossing the idea around but I'm not sure if it would help me or hinder me.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/11 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
Has anyone ran with a pace group for a marathon before? I tossing the idea around but I'm not sure if it would help me or hinder me.


My wife and sister in law kept the 4:30 pace group in sight for their first marathon back in October, but ended up going more by their GPS watches because they were far more consitent. She said they were surprised at how big the group was that was clustered around the pace group.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/09/11 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just don't want to be "that guy" that either gets dropped by the group or feel the need to go faster.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/11 08:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In the LB marathon, the pacers had balloons tied to their waists with the pace written on them. You could see them from a long way off. You could always start a bit behind, then if you need to get ahead or try to catch the next faster group. \:D

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/11 09:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Taking it easy this week in anticipation of the St. Patty's Day run on Saturday. Did 4 miles on Tuesday and will do 2 or 3 today. Been doing some low resistance riding on my rollers to keep my cycling fitness up, if not progressing.

Going to shoot for sub 42 minutes for Saturday's five mile run. 40 minutes would be great but not sure I can maintain that pace for that distance.

After this Saturday it will be a full bore switch to cycling with just a couple runs per week.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
03/10/11 09:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck on the run. I'd do it...but I'm still not happy about my times.
Weather is supposed to be perfect.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/11 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Weather was perfect. Time was 41:20 which I'm plenty happy with. My primary goal was to get under 42 minutes as I felt confident I had that in me. Super optimistic goal was sub 40 but between me just not being quite fit enough and the fact that there are about 15,000 people to dodge, I didn't really believe I would get there. We got lined up relatively close to the front but still did more sideways running in the first mile than we would have liked.

Wife ran it with me and I stayed mostly with her until the end of mile three. The third mile ended as we crested a hill and my heart rate hit 185. The highest I knew I could sustain through the remainder of the race without blowing up was about 178-180, so I tried to recover a bit and she proceeded to drop me. She finished in 40:45.

This same run was, last year, the first run I'd ever signed up for and the first time I'd ever run 5 miles. I shaved 8 minutes off from last year's run. Hopefully next year I can get under 40 minutes.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/11 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats dude

I may have to pull out of my half marathon. Dove say that I sustained an abdominal wall muscle sprain/pull down between my groin/hip area but with it happening Monday morning and the pain not letting up since....I'm starting to think I won't be fully healed up for the run on the 26th.

Sucks since I put in all that training since jan 1st


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/11 02:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finished my second half with a PR of 1:42:39. Averaged a 7:48 pace. Even better is that I had ZERO IT pain the whole race. I'm pretty stoked for sure.

My wife ran a 1:56 and my dad did a 2:02.
My bastard brother took it easy and cruised along with for the whole race. He ran a 1:20 on this course last year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/11 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Where everybody be?



Did an hour trainer ride yesterday, followed by a 7:48 pace 5 mile run. The legs were still pretty sore, but if felt great to get out there on the road.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/11 03:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dude you didnt see my thread? i cant run for about 3-4mons

severely tore a muscle and with me being diabetic...4x6wks of recover...damn near triple that before i'm back to running again(docs orders)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/11 06:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That blows Duc. \:\(


Ran another 5 miles today followed by a half hour on the trainer.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/11 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This week was an hour on the trainer on Monday, spinning class with the wife on Tuesday, 40 minutes on the rollers and a 3 mile run on Wednesday, and taking today off.

Will do some intervals tomorrow on the trainer, easy outdoor ride on Saturday for an hour and a half or so, and first crit of the year on Sunday.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/17/11 10:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had another brutal track workout, it's a love/hate thing with speed workouts.

The marathon is creeping closer, still second guessing my goal time.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/11 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Big 5k for me tomorrow morning. I was hoping for this to be the race where I broke the 20:00 mark (current PR is 20:17) but in the end I don't think it's going to happen. I just don't feel that hot lately. Secondary goal: come in 69th like I did 2 years ago \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/11 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you aint first, you're last. \:D

Go balls out Micah.


ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
03/18/11 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went for a run yesterday, hit 3.75 miles in 29.07. Felt good, but I to take a 30sec walk to catch my breathe....

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/11 08:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.5 miles today. Easy 8:40 pace with the dog.

Then 40 minutes on the rollers.

Injuries gone and regular training means I've shaved off the five pounds or so I picked up over the winter. Weight should drop into the 160s very soon (until I wreck that on vacation in a week ).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/11 02:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 mile run followed by 40 minutes on the trainer. Hoping to get a 30 mile ride in tomorrow, and a 60 miler on sunday....that's if the weather holds. \:\(

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/11 10:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20:10. I left the Garmin at home - to be honest if I had known I was that close I would have pulled harder. I pulled up a little because I was really close to puking.

Let's get drunk! 85 degree st pat's in Columbia.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/19/11 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job on the 5k!!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/11 07:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Speed demon.

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/11 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished another 6 miler.. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/73943026

Want to move up to about 8 miles, but shins were hurting.. Can anyone suggest some good stretches for calves and whatever muscle is around your shin. Been feeling really tight when I run lately.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/20/11 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished up a solid 17 mile run this morning. Feels good to get back to long outdoor runs.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/11 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang...nice recovery man!

I had intended to do a long run yesterday, but we had torrential downpour the whole day and family visiting, so it was an easy decision to skip it. Hoping it will hold off a bit today to squeeze in a 6 miler before I get on the trainer.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/11 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
before I get on the trainer.

Is he pretty hot?


A S D
(Sr Member)
03/21/11 05:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back from Virginia Beach a little bit ago. I ran the half in 1:41:01, 7:43 pace. I wanted to try to go below 1:40:00, but that will have to wait. Going to take a few days off and decide if I am going to train for another half or go for a full.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/11 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work! If you end up going for the half, 4 seconds a mile will be no problem at all for you! Half training won't really be all that different than full training IMO so I think you can play it by ear. (I ran a 1:42 last year and something like 1:35 this year.)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/11 10:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
Just got back from Virginia Beach a little bit ago. I ran the half in 1:41:01, 7:43 pace. I wanted to try to go below 1:40:00, but that will have to wait. Going to take a few days off and decide if I am going to train for another half or go for a full.


Nice job man....you beat me by a little over a minute. I'll be shooting for sub 1:40 later this year as well.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/11 10:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and I did an hour on the trainer (yes, he's hot Micah...I have high standards)earlier today, and just finished a 9 miler at a 7:52 pace. Felt really good.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/11 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 mile run earlier today...pushing the stroller down a bikepath covered in sand from the storm we had over the weekend. Damn that was a workout!

Just got back from the pool where I did 2000 yards in 34:27. April is when I'll really start my swim training for Ironman.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/11 09:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running fail today. In London for vacation and set out for a 7 mile run through some of the parks. Started around noon though so everyone and their brother was out. A couple of wrong turns, throngs of tourists at Buckhingham Palace, etc. meant our mix of running/walking/people watching was not a particularly good pace. Probably covered 7 miles total but only ran about 4 and a half. Good easy workout though.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/11 07:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 40/10 brick today. 40 mile bike ride took me 2:02, then a 5 minute transition, then a 10 mile run in 1:22.

Currently freezing in an ice bath. lol


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/11 10:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

w00t... 5K = 5Cake...

Did the Angels 5k Fun Run this morning..
http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana/community/5k_funrun.jsp
Results..

Looks like I placed 220 out of a little under 3000 people who ran.. 26th in my Division.

2 mins of that time was escaping the horde at the beginning.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/11 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stupid Garmin Connect was down yesterday.. here's what I recorded for the 5K on my watch.. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/75847273

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
03/29/11 07:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Getting reeady for a 5k on Sat. Ran 2.50 miles in 18.45.

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/11 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

learned a valuable lesson today. Today was Accidental Experiments in Barefoot Running day!

Forgot my running shoes on lunch run day. Ran 2.x miles in puma speedcats driving shoes. Coulda gone farther, but took a page from the vibram thing where they said "don't go very far!" and cut it short. An hour later, i'm REALLY glad that's all i did. ouuuuuch.

In random 5k news, there's a 5k coming up here in WA i wound up registering for 'cause work decided the first 20 people who registered would get it expensed back to them. I'm pretty psyched. I'd have run it anyhow, but now I get to do it for free!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/11 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No better motivation than a race you've already signed up for. In my case it was a full year out. \:D


I had a good week last week. Ran 38 miles, rode 100 miles, and swam 2000 yards. This week will be decent (just did a 5 mile run followed by an hour on the trainer), but we fly to Maui on saturday, and along with relaxing, I plan on kicking some ass on the road and in the water. The plan is to start every day with an early 45 minute swim, followed by a 6 mile run. Then I plan on doing another run in the evening before dinner. I should have a great run week. \:D


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/11 02:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh man, I tried to do that when i went to Maui... I really did. I just couldnt' bring myself to run each morning when i could just sit on the lanai! lol

...I can't think of a better place to go for a jog though. Envious.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/11 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Normally I'd be doing the same as you did....but I have 140.6 miles hanging over my head, and there's no way I'm going to miss out on some prime training time (without having to worry about a schedule, kids, etc). \:D

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/11 10:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

There's another 5K this weekend here.. debating on whether I should do it. 40 bucks seems like a lot of money to pay someone else so I can run 3 miles.. http://carlsbad.competitor.com/event-information/

UxiSi
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/11 11:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I fucking hate running but looking to do distance running mon/wed/fri with just wind sprint pyramids on Tue/Thr. Since I haven't been doing regular PT for a few years, probably gonna start with 1 mile for the distance running, increase it another mile every 2 or 3 months until I get to 5.

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/11 11:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: UxiSi
I fucking hate running but looking to do distance running mon/wed/fri with just wind sprint pyramids on Tue/Thr. Since I haven't been doing regular PT for a few years, probably gonna start with 1 mile for the distance running, increase it another mile every 2 or 3 months until I get to 5.


That's what I did starting about 4-5 months ago.. You could probably start at 2 miles actually, then work up from there. In December I was running like a 9:30 min/mile pace and felt like death at the end of 2-3 miles.

I blew through that 5K this last weekend like I was doing a PFT 10 years ago \:\) .. Ive always been a poor runner too. I fucking hate running. I was at foot locker and they had a shirt that said, "Running sucks" on it. I wanna get that shirt lol.

The longest distances Ive been running on my own now are about 6 miles. Think Im gonna move up to 8 miles now. I want to eventually do a half-marathon.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/11 01:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazeD_Z06
There's another 5K this weekend here.. debating on whether I should do it. 40 bucks seems like a lot of money to pay someone else so I can run 3 miles.. http://carlsbad.competitor.com/event-information/


man..the Carlsbad 5000 is an awesome race. Tons of people, lots of pros show up, awesome course. I did it about 4 years ago and loved it.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/11 10:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
 Originally Posted By: CrazeD_Z06
There's another 5K this weekend here.. debating on whether I should do it. 40 bucks seems like a lot of money to pay someone else so I can run 3 miles.. http://carlsbad.competitor.com/event-information/


man..the Carlsbad 5000 is an awesome race. Tons of people, lots of pros show up, awesome course. I did it about 4 years ago and loved it.


Hmm might have to show up then... See if I can beat this time from last week.
http://results.active.com/pages/oneResult.jsp?pID=102438768

Doing a 5K race every weekend.. like a Boss.


UxiSi
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/11 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gonna have to get that shirt, too. \:D

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/31/11 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well it looks like I'm down for another week, just got back from the doc's and patellar tendinitis strikes again. Damn hill repeats are the devil.

Good news is that he said I'll be fine for the Cleveland Marathon in May. I just might have to rethink my goal time.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/11 08:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

March totals:

Running: 105 miles
Bike: 345 miles
Swim: 4000 yards
Pounds lost to date: 45.4


UxiSi
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/11 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Forgot about f'in shin splints. Yeah, I'll stick with a Mile for at least the next week or two Crazed. Don't imagine I'll start getting sore until tomorrow or Sunday. Weekends are going to be my rest days. On call every third weekend and I'll be extremely unreliable anyway. Should have probably waited until Monday to start

Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/11 02:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
March totals:

Running: 105 miles
Bike: 345 miles
Swim: 4000 yards
Pounds lost to date: 45.4


Jesus, dude! That's crazy!


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/11 02:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So my excitement for the week.... marginally less slow. i seem to have gotten myself back to about where i was before I hurt myself in November... maybe sliightly quicker.

First time in months i've gotten 3 miles down in less than 30 minutes. 28:45.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/11 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a great workout day yesterday:

5 mile run
1 hour trainer ride
1.9 mile swim for time (55:50, which is a 1:42/100yd pace and will put me at 1:12 for the IM swim. I can live with that.


Plan on repeating the same workouts today, but 4 mile run.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/11 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still in Maui, or back already?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/11 04:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Back home. \:\(

Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/11 05:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2 miles -- 6:24 pace

Shaving off 1 minute per mile pace was easy. Now it's getting difficult...


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/13/11 08:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First solid run since I had patellar tendinitis. We did a nice trail run. 6.25mi
at a pace of 8:36. The knee feels pretty solid.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/79069037


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/11 08:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
First solid run since I had patellar tendinitis. We did a nice trail run. 6.25mi
at a pace of 8:36. The knee feels pretty solid.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/79069037


Nice..

Just got back from 3 miles.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/79393419

It's fucking hot outside. I hate running in the heat \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/17/11 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Currently posting from an ice bath after running 15 miles at an 8:13 pace. Felt pretty effortless actually. Surprising since it's my longest run ever by 2 miles.

psi mr2
(Post Master Supreme)
04/17/11 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

y'all are fast! \:\(

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/11 01:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Work took me out of town last week and have only gotten one run in recently. Easy 3.5 miles in about 30 minutes with a couple of good hills thrown in.

Also haven't been on the bike since racing just over a week ago. Now that work is out of the way, I plan to get a good hard trainer ride in tonight and run tomorrow morning. Focus will be on cycling over the next four weeks. Hope to get about ten hours per week in on the bike and throw in about two runs per week for cross training.


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/11 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4.4 miles yesterday in 36:20. I was pretty excited about that.

3 miles today in 24:26. Not excited about that. \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/20/11 01:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still letting the legs recover from my long run on sunday, so it's been an hour on the trainer followed later in the day with a 1.2 mile swim the last two days. We'll see how the knee feels tomorrow.

I will be getting my new running shoes (a second pair of my favorites) as well as some new tri specific cycling shoes (Bont Sub-10's) and IU'm really excited about those.


bt0
(Post Master Sr)
04/20/11 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
4.4 miles yesterday in 36:20. I was pretty excited about that.

3 miles today in 24:26. Not excited about that. \:\(
your 3mi pace is slightly faster. How much faster were you hoping for?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/20/11 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6.25 miles at 8:50 pace tonight. Nothing special, but my longest run in about a six weeks and my legs were a bit fatigued from last night's cycling workout, so I'll take it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/11 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice.

Pretty good day for me yesterday. Did an easy 3 mile run just to test the knee (need a bit more RICE), then did an hour on the trainer, and swam 3000 yards in 48:00 in the pool last night.

Even better: I got both of these in the mail yesterday:





Bont Sub 10 cycling/triathlon shoes and another pair of the KSwiss Blade Light Run's. The Bonts are heat moldable and make for an awesome fit.


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/11 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bt0
 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
4.4 miles yesterday in 36:20. I was pretty excited about that.

3 miles today in 24:26. Not excited about that. \:\(
your 3mi pace is slightly faster. How much faster were you hoping for?


I usually run 3mi around 23:00, it was a slow day.


RedACR
(Post Master Sr)
04/21/11 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running my first 5k this Saturday morning \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/11 01:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kill it, Brotha!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/11 10:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 5 mile run this morning, then because my wife got off work early, I was able to do a 30 mile ride outside instead of my normal 20 on the trainer. Fantastic ride, and the weather was perfect.

I'm at 110 miles for the week, and I still need to do a long ride or two. Hoping to top out at 200 miles for the week.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/23/11 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I decided last minute to sign up for a 10 mile race this morning. It ended up going pretty good except for some shoe lace issues (they came undone twice). Over all happy with the race and the knee feels strong.

Finished right around 1:12:xx
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/80967438

I hit the lap button instead of the stop.


RedACR
(Post Master Sr)
04/23/11 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
Kill it, Brotha!


So I did it!!!
my time was 33:20....why so slow?

cuz most of the field got lost lol!

It was pouring rain this morning and it washed away the markings so we all
just followed the runner in front. My gps showed 3.8 miles or 6.1km

I figure i would have finished at 26ish. Im glad i did it tho. Had some killer hills too.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/11 06:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man!


Rode 70 miles this morning. FRont derailleur broke, and had a flat, but overall it was a great ride.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/11 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

58 miles running or walking this month so far.

I run by myself and walk when I bring the gf.

I'd like to 100 miles in may.


A S D
(Sr Member)
04/24/11 08:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just getting back into the swing of things lately. Finished up a 14 mile run in 1:51:xx. About a 7:55 pace. Felt great after wards, it was only 12 seconds off of my half marathon pace a little more than a month ago. I don't think during training for my half I was ever able to push my pace like I did today.

Next Saturday, I have 16 miles, so we will see how that goes.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/11 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another good start to the week. The kids are on spring break this week, so its a bit of a struggle getting my workouts in, but I'm managing. Yesterday I ran 4, rode an hour on the trainer, and swam 2100yds in the pool.

Less than 7 weeks before I start my 2 week taper before Ironman Couer d Alene on June 26th.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/11 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Break in the rain this evening allowed time for a run. Wife and I went out and ran 10 miles at 9:08 per mile. Felt like we had more in the tank when we were done.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/11 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This morning I rode an hour on the trainer. Now I just got back from running to the pool, doing my swim workout, then running home.

3.1 miles: 21:48
1500 yards: 24:30
2.5 miles: 19:40


That first 5k is a PR for me. That's a 7:02 average pace, but the breakdown was this:
Mile 1: 7:14
Mile 2: 6:58
Mile 3: 6:57
.1: 6:45

Pretty stoked. \:\)


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
04/27/11 12:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

High 6s... JFC. Nicely done. I'm still stuck in the low 9s.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/11 05:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Killin it mr mom!

A S D
(Sr Member)
04/28/11 07:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
This morning I rode an hour on the trainer. Now I just got back from running to the pool, doing my swim workout, then running home.

3.1 miles: 21:48
1500 yards: 24:30
2.5 miles: 19:40


That first 5k is a PR for me. That's a 7:02 average pace, but the breakdown was this:
Mile 1: 7:14
Mile 2: 6:58
Mile 3: 6:57
.1: 6:45

Pretty stoked. \:\)


you might have mentioned it before in this thread, but what do you use to track your runs?


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/28/11 10:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty much sums up how I feel about barefoot runners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=theHXQP9Bo0&feature=related


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/11 12:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
This morning I rode an hour on the trainer. Now I just got back from running to the pool, doing my swim workout, then running home.

3.1 miles: 21:48
1500 yards: 24:30
2.5 miles: 19:40


That first 5k is a PR for me. That's a 7:02 average pace, but the breakdown was this:
Mile 1: 7:14
Mile 2: 6:58
Mile 3: 6:57
.1: 6:45

Pretty stoked. \:\)


you might have mentioned it before in this thread, but what do you use to track your runs?


I have the Timex Global Trainer watch. Love it.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/11 08:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got a mile race coming up today. Four man relay, each run a mile. Me, my wife and two guy friends. Not sure how fast I'll be able to go... Had a soccer game last night, about to play one this morning and then have the race 4 hours later.

If I get a 7 minute mile, I will be ecstatic lol slow \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/11 10:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished an 18 mile run. Longest one by 3 miles, and did it in 2:28 (8:14 average pace).

Woot woot!


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/11 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/11 11:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

April totals:

Swim: 18,900 yards

Bike: 400 miles

Run: 121.6 miles


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/11 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice totals man!


[Edit: Wait. i just realized 18,900 yards is like TEN MILES and change. nearly 11. DAMN!]

new 5k record for me today. Kinda cool, kinda makes me angry. I wanted sub-30s, BAD.

31:09. Spent a 10th of a mile running and puking up coffee. No fuckin' bueno. Woulda been high 30:00s if not for that. Of course it happened right around the 3 mile mark, where the people who'd already finished could look disgusted as i made a spectacle of myself. \:\(

So yeah, good time, bad experience.


Damnit, Laverty
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/11 10:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Official results are official.

Sumbitch. Still not a 29.xx, but not a 31 either. I'll take it.
05/01/11 818 Matthew Laverty 30:56


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/11 12:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job man.....keep it up and you'll start seeing those times come way down.

WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/11 09:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This just in, these shoes fucking rock (Nike Free Run+):



Finally started running again for the first time since, shit, 8 months ago, something like that. Last two runs were each 5+ miles at around an 8 minute/mile pace, so not too bad considering I'm just now getting back into the swing of things. I recently moved and am now able to run along the lakefront; it's a hell of a lot less boring than running through a neighborhood.



Oh, and Mr. Mom, great job, bro. Just saw your April totals, wow!!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/11 12:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Weeks totals:

Swim: 4700 yards
Bike: 170 miles
Run: 33.5 miles


Only 6 weeks till game day!


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/16/11 05:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran my first marathon yesterday. I didn't do as good as I wanted but it's over with. I haven't uploaded the garmin yet but I know I slowed down around mile 16, I had some stomach issues and thought about just bailing.



Mike Mayer - Runner | Bib 1932 | parma, OH - USA | Male | Age 34
Start
7:04:09
10K 00:48:49
Half 01:43:56
30K 02:33:35
Finish 03:51:38

Chip Time: 03:51:38 Clock Time: 3:52:51 Pace: 8:50
Place Overall: 930 Gender: 701 Division:


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/11 07:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job - I would be totally happy with sub 4:00 for a first marathon. My wife has run two and wants me to run one with her, so I might do my first one late next year.

Five mile run this morning. Cold and legs were just a little tired from this weekend's bike races. 9:00/mile even.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/11 08:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats on finishing your first marathon mike

i wish i was able to do the HM that i signed up with Gigantor but my injury happened.

my would looks like it will be finally closed up in about two weeks. i'm going to start off with small distances as i will be lifting again. hopefully everything works out ok


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/11 10:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Mike! Sub 4 for your first, especially coming off your recent injuries is pretty damn studly. I'd take that any day.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/23/11 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 mile run last night at 8:07 pace.

DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
05/23/11 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how ya feeling today? 20 mile runs, 70 mile bike rides, you are doing it big man.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/23/11 02:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DWalk
how ya feeling today? 20 mile runs, 70 mile bike rides, you are doing it big man.


Honestly, not too bad. A little tired, and my feet are a tad sore, but way less than I was expecting it be. That will be my longest run prior to the Ironman. Next week will be a 15, and the following a 13, then it's a 3 week taper...so just short easy runs.

I'm feeling ready.


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
05/23/11 03:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the ROC race in Del Mar on Saturday. It was a 5k obstacle course similar to the warrior dash. Finished 63 out of 1139 with a time of 28.33. Drinking before didn't help my time but it made it more fun.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
05/24/11 02:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom
 Originally Posted By: DWalk
how ya feeling today? 20 mile runs, 70 mile bike rides, you are doing it big man.


Honestly, not too bad. A little tired, and my feet are a tad sore, but way less than I was expecting it be. That will be my longest run prior to the Ironman. Next week will be a 15, and the following a 13, then it's a 3 week taper...so just short easy runs.

I'm feeling ready.


you're more than ready! All you gotta do is stay healthy during the taper - wash your hands a lot and keep away from germ infested kids!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/27/11 11:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man....that's the plan.



Just did an easy 12.5 mile run at a 7:46 pace. Felt great. I realized during it that I have ran 52.5 miles in the last 6 days. Dang. How things can change in a year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/11 12:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody else still training? I had a pretty epic May:

Swim: 19000 yards

Bike: 568 miles

Run: 170 miles

I'm already at 40 miles running for the week, and still have a 13-15 miler planned for sunday.



The big day is only 23 days away!


ItsTheAussie
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/11 01:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a marathon coming up on Sunday, hoping to run it sub 4 hours this time

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/11 04:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran my first run since my surgery over two months ago

4.10miles at a 10min/mile pace

saw a bit of blood from the incision site(still have a pencil lead sized hole there but everything else is closed and healed) but the run felt damned good


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/11 10:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Week totals:

Swim: 10000 yards

Bike: 148 miles

Run: 51.1 miles.



Conventional wisdom says I should start my taper this week (3 weeks till race day), but I thinks thats a bit too long. I'm going to hit this week pretty hard and then start easing back next week.

So close I can taste it!


ItsTheAussie
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/11 10:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I ran the marathon the other day, finished in 4 hours and 30 minutes because I fucking ran 2 extra miles.

I wasn't paying attention to where I was going and ended up on the half-marathon course which took me on an extra 2 mile loop before it met back up with the marathon course.

So I ran 28.2 miles in 4 hours and 30 minutes. I like to think if I wasn't a retard I would have hit my goal.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/11 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It may have seemed like a stupid move at the time but now you can tell people you're an ultramarathoner!

Congrats on the finish!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/11 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, Aussie.....that sucks! I probably would have sat down and cried. Good job sticking it out and having a great finish time anyways.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
06/08/11 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I'm laid up again Just when I started to feel good training again.

I had a little slip and fall at a Duathlon on Sunday. It was a 2mi run 10mi bike 2mi run. It was just after the first mile on the first run that I tripped over something and fell on my right knee. I didn't think it was that bad so I kept going. It really didn't hurt until the race was over.

After the race I went right to the doc where they said there wasn't any skin left to put stitches in. I have to go back tomorrow to see if they are going to do a skin graph.

On a positive note I finished 1 min quicker than last year. Another bummer is that even though I'm 34 now I jumped into a different age group. I would have finished 1st in 30-34 but ended up 6th in 35-39 Finished up 21st overall.

First run 13:56
Bike (with T1 & T2) 33:22
Second run 15:21
Finish Time 1:02:39


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/11 08:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn dude, I guess "awesome job" and "that sucks" are both in order. Here's to a quick recovery!

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
06/20/11 03:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My knee is healing quicker than I thought.

I jumped in to another Duathlon yesterday. I wanted to to the Tri but my knee-cap is still one big scab and bruised, I didn't think is was good to get in the water.

It went pretty good, the first 5k was really flat, I felt strong but didn't want to go to hard before the bike. I had 8 guys in front of me going into T1.

T1 was horrible, I forgot to unclip my helmet and open the straps on my shoes

The 20k bike was great, glass flat and fast except for a section of strong head winds (the course was along Lake Erie) that dropped my speed a good 6-7mph. I only caught 1 of the guys in front of me on the bike.

T2 was pretty flawless, got out of my bike shoes before even entering the trans area.

The second 5k was the same loop as the first. It was little rough the knee pain came back. So did the sun and lack of fluids I took in on the bike(I thought one bottle of electrolyte mix and 1 gel would be enough guess not) At the water stop it was 1 cup of Heed for me and 2 waters over my head. I was struggling big time.

5k 21:45
T1 01:02
Bike 41:46
T2 00:48
5k 24:25

I finished 3rd in my Age Group and 6th Overall


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/20/11 07:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....it looks like we would be pretty close in a race (my times are pretty close to yours.)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/09/11 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Where are all my cardio peeps at? Too busy training to post I hope!

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/09/11 09:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been busy with work and moving, so hardly cycling or running.

We are running the Rock N Roll half marathon in Chicago this Sunday. We've not really trained since the wife is pregnant. Her OB approves of her participating, but wants her to alternate between 30 minutes of running and 15 minutes of walking. So that's what we'll do. We've done a couple of longer runs with that routine and will be fine.

Then I've got the MS 150 in September and need to spend some time on the bike prior to that.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/11 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i've been super busy, so no time to post either.

started working with a trainer to try and get my running and my weight under control. So far I am a month in and feeling pretty good, but the approach is very different than I am used to.

I'm running my training runs a LOT slower than I used to. My fast runs are clocking in at 9:30 per mile, my long runs are 10:30-11, and my recovery runs are 11 and above. So far we've only been doing run and strength building programs, and next week we switch to key run workouts and only core work for strength.

this is what they had me do for strength 2x a week, three rounds with a 3min break in between. Reps are listed in order:

leg press 4,6,8
seated row 5,7,9
then these three each time, 12 times - back extension, pushups, situps
lat pull down 6,8,10
squat on the smith machine 3,5,7
hamstring curls 5,7,9
leg extension 6,8,10

I have never really done weights, so it was a lot to get used to, but in the 4 weeks of doing it i feel like I got some serious improvements.

I know you strong bitches will laugh at my weights, but I went from 250# to 340# on the leg press, 70# to 110# on the seated row, 100# to 130# on the lat pull down, 65# to 140# on the squat, 40# to 85# on the hamstring curls (hardest of all of them) and 55# to 85# on the leg extension.

The hamstring curls I was doing both legs at once, the leg extensions I'd do single leg - not really sure if I was doing that right.

Next week switches to three rounds of this, twice a week:

- Bicycle Crunch
• X 12 right
• X 12 left
• X 12 middle
- Superman or back extension X 12
- Planks
• Work up to 1:00 right
• Work up to 1:00 left
• Work up to 1:00 middle


and we switch to tempo runs and hill bounding plus the long weekend run.

it's been good so far, but it's a huge shift in planning and execution - I used to do my exercise (just running) at lunch, now I have to get up early and hit the gym to work it in, which I think I'm getting used to now.

and the pants are starting to fit better now.


targeting two races in the fall - the BAA half in October (which I need to raise money for, so keep your eyes open for my post) and a NH Half in November.


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/11 09:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran for the first time in three weeks. 8.06 miles @ 7:59 pace. I've been around 5-6 miles @ a 7:20 pace before that, but I need to be more consistent with the running. I'll run 20+ miles a week for a couple weeks, then go a month of no running, lol. Need to stop doing that.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
08/11/11 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still training, I've done a few Tri's and Du's as part of my training for a half ironman in Sept.

Maumee Bay Sprint Du---First 5k-21:45 23k bike-41:46 2nd 5k-24:25
Overall not a bad race just real hot and absolutely no shade. Good enough for 3rd in my age group and 6th overall.

Fairport Harbor Sprint Tri--Swim 15:58 20k bike 37:27 5k run 20:48
My swim sucked at this race but my legs felt great on the run.

Greater Cleveland Tri (Olympic)1200yd Swim 24:17 23mi Bike 1:14:42 10k run 52:29

Other than the races I still train almost everyday.
Hard bricks (25mi bike-6mi run)on Mondays.
Open water swim on Tuesdays.
Easy brick (17mi bike 3mi run)Wednesdays.
Thursdays I alternate between swimming or 10 mile trail runs.
Fridays I usually take off.
Sat morning are group rides about 30 miles.
Sundays I try to not train at all.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/11 12:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job guys...way to keep it up.


I had a rough time post-Ironman letting my knee heal....I was fine otherwise after 5 days and I really wanted to train...my body was telling me otherwise, lol.


The plan for the next few months is pretty basic:
Lay down some serious run mileage in the next two weeks, then take a couple day taper before the marathon on the 28th.
After that I'll probably need a few days to recover, but then it's a 2.5 month countdown to Ironman Arizona in November. I plan to keep my running pretty high volume, and I'm guessing 90% of my bike training will be on the trainer. I had good results with my 7 days a week on the bike (4x20 miles, 3x40miles), but I have every intention of getting on the low end of the 1:00-1:10 swim time...which means lots of time in the pool. \:\)


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/14/11 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wife and I just finished the half in Chicago. It was cool and overcast, and the course is pretty flat. Except for a little bit of rain it was pretty much perfect conditions.

We finished in about 2:15. Not bad for 18 weeks pregnant, taking it easy while running and walking about 45 minutes of it.

We have another half at home in November which I am half tempted to do myself and see if I can get under 2 hours. Haven't decided yet.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/15/11 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....it's awesome having a wife who doesn't use pregnancy as an excuse to balloon up like a whale, eh? \:\)



Pretty stoked that I was able to hit 50 running miles this past week. Going for about the same this week, then about half that the week of the marathon.

I've also ran the last 9 days straight and have only missed 2 days this month so far.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/11 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thought I'd join this thread. I've never been a runner but I'm working hard and for the first time in my life I'm trying to take running seriously. I enjoy it and really really enjoy improving personal records

In the past few months I've shed quite a bit of time off my 3 mile time.
My previous best was 24:59 which was about 3 years old.
Earlier this summer I hit 24:44
Last month I hit 23:39
And just last friday I have a new personal best 22:26

These are all treadmill runs at the gym. In between these I'm usually doing warmup runs before a workout or running outdoors through neighborhoods for varying distances not always pushing real hard. I have a goal to get my time to 19:xx before the end of the year. I'm so stoked that it seems within reach because I never ever would have thought it was a possibility for me.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/18/11 07:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....and welcome to our world. \:D


After months of almost all long runs, I ran to the pool to do my swim workout and did the 5k in 21:00 flat. I was so stoked on that. The last 5K I'd done (years before) my best was high 23's. Pretty sure at this point I could hit 20:30.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
08/19/11 02:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice dude. I bet a 5k feels like you're walking to your mailbox at this point. I need to get used to longer distances. I'd like to complete a half marathon at some point. Hopefully before January since I'm registered for a Tough Mudder which at 12 miles is almost a half already.

A S D
(Sr Member)
08/21/11 11:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a half marathon yesterday on a pretty hilly course. I finished in 1:38:35. Took about 2.5 minutes off of my previous personal record. Pretty happy with my time.

I've got my first full in October. Shooting for 3:30 there.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/11 06:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: A S D
Ran a half marathon yesterday on a pretty hilly course. I finished in 1:38:35. Took about 2.5 minutes off of my previous personal record. Pretty happy with my time.

I've got my first full in October. Shooting for 3:30 there.

Very nice man....that's a quick pace. My half PR is 1:42, but that was month and several hundred miles ago, so I'd like to think I could go sub 1:40 if I were to do one right now. Good luck in your full...I'm 6 days out from mine....getting a little nervous.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/11 10:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Once I can start running again, in October, I will attempt some runs on the treadmill...but I always get terrible shin splints on the treadmill. I suppose my gait is all messed up and I heel strike too much.

Can't figure it out. I can run no problem on the road but as soon as I get on the treadmill my shins explode within minutes.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/11 11:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Once I can start running again, in October, I will attempt some runs on the treadmill...but I always get terrible shin splints on the treadmill. I suppose my gait is all messed up and I heel strike too much.

Can't figure it out. I can run no problem on the road but as soon as I get on the treadmill my shins explode within minutes.


raise the incline to .5 or 1


Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/11 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running a hilly course 5k run this weekend, shooting for a 7:00ish pace.

Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/11 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Napalm's Bitch
Running a hilly course 5k run this weekend, shooting for a 7:00ish pace.


that's 2:15min/mile! You're like a super-Kenyan!!


Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/11 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: Napalm's Bitch
Running a hilly course 5k run this weekend, shooting for a 7:00ish pace.


that's 2:15min/mile! You're like a super-Kenyan!!

Pace not time smart one.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/11 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Napalm's Bitch
 Originally Posted By: mrbeefhead
 Originally Posted By: Napalm's Bitch
Running a hilly course 5k run this weekend, shooting for a 7:00ish pace.


that's 2:15min/mile! You're like a super-Kenyan!!

Pace not time smart one.


nice ninja edit


WNDYCTYone
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/11 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9.18 miles at 8:04 pace followed by a 5 mile run at 7:34 pace two days later. Need to run today to keep it consistent.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/24/11 08:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I did the Akron Marathon today. The course was rough never really a flat spot, and it seemed I was running more up than down. Not exactly how I wanted to finish but it's over. I was shooting for a 3:45 but was getting pretty sore around mile 19.

3.5mi. 0:28:11
9.2mi. 1:15:58
15.5mi. 2:08:59
18.3mi. 2:35:19
26.2mi. 4:00:09


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/24/11 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man...4 hours is nothing to be bummed about. That mile 19 is a bitch, ain't it?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/11 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

September totals:

Swim: 7800 yards

Bike: 520 miles

Run: 165.2 miles


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 10:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Registered for my first marathon last night. Rock N Roll series in New Orleans. 19 weeks out. Though I've already been running a ton I officially begin my training schedule 1 week from today.

I've never ran more than 10 miles. Excitement is tentative. lol.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WhiteDSM520
Registered for my first marathon last night. Rock N Roll series in New Orleans. 19 weeks out. Though I've already been running a ton I officially begin my training schedule 1 week from today.

I've never ran more than 10 miles. Excitement is tentative. lol.

Kelly and I were coming from a ~25mpw base and a max of a half marathon when we signed up for Savannah rock and roll (a week and a half away) - that was about 20 weeks ago. It's been a bit of a nightmare if I'm being honest. With all the ramping up of mileage - you're always sore when you're doing your long runs. I don't even like running right now; it's like its a job.

I have also had a bit of a tough time figuring out fueling during the run. In the end, taking chews helps, but the most important thing for me was taking electrolytes. On my first 18 mile run I just took a serving of chews and a shit ton of water, and as soon as I stopped, I had about 20 minutes of literally the worst pain I've ever experienced in the form of horrible calf cramps. So on my 20 I took a Nuun before and one during along with a shitload of G2 - and no other sugar - and it was all good.

I presume it'll all be worth it when I'm drinking away any remnants of my memories of the race 12 in Savannah. Looking forward to returning to being a 5k and 10k runner.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 02:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man....and congrats on registering. What's your goal?

I'm starting to think beyond the Ironman next month and signing up for the LA marathon in the spring.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I might try a full marathon next spring.
I'm scared though.

VT City Marathon memorial day weekend.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Micah, what training schedule have you been following? I picked up one from HalHigdon.com. Someone recommended that site on here (don't remember who or what thread) and it seems to be a popular choice. In-race fueling is also a big concern of mine. But there are a lot of double digit milage days where I can play around with that and figure it out. I'd also like to say thank you, your words are very inspiring. lol

Señor Madre - I was talking about this with a friend after I registered yesterday. I think it's important to set a goal time, but I really have no idea what to set it at. I think once I get a few weeks of regimented disciplined training under my belt I'll be in a better position to set a goal. After a little googling, 4hrs seems to be a common goal though. Guess I can start there and adjust it.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was a 'beginner' plan from Runner's World that Kelly found, but it's not up for free anymore. It's a lot of shorter weekly runs and then it starts to pick up long runs on Sunday ranging from 10 miles and tapering up to 20.

You're already signed up for the marathon so it's not like I'm gonna talk you out of it \:\) I'm just saying that it's going to feel a bit like a job. On the upside, a 13 mile run seems like a walk in the park to me now. I'm sure if I had more time to taper it wouldn't be such a struggle but I tapered, and you're gonna be, tapering up real fast, and it's gonna be a chore.

Just keep an eye on the leg cramps. If you face mild ones after your 10s, nip them in the damn bud before you end up rolling around moaning in the middle of a public park! I like the nuun tabs myself since they offer electrolytes with no sugar but everyone's needs and tastes are different.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/11 09:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

back to running

last week i ran a 6/4/8 (m/w/f)

this week, 4/6/8 and then trying for 10 on next friday (4/4/10)


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/11 07:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah

Kelly and I were coming from a ~25mpw base and a max of a half marathon when we signed up for Savannah rock and roll (a week and a half away) - that was about 20 weeks ago.

I'll be interested in what you think of the marathon in Savannah. My wife and I are thinking of doing this one next year. It would be her third full and my first.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/11 10:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll have an abbreviated, drunken report and then a full, sober one!

I like that it's very flat. I do most of my training in hills and trails but for a marathon, I figure if it's flat I can just keep putting one foot in front of the other and think about beer until it's over.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/11 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Abbreviated drunken report from Tybee Island, GA.

A lot of miles of the course are on raised highways. No crowd support, and long hills as it goes up and over crossroads. Not big hills, but they came late in the race and it was a bit tough.

I kept up with the 3:30 pace guy until mile 16, and then I just had to drop back. Really started to crap out after that - some was maybe lack of training (I'm an 80 mile a month runner) and some was not paying attention to taking enough salt.

One other weird thing - when I finished, I felt WEIRD. It wasn't a high, unfortunately. It was just a wave of (without-cause) emotion. I cried a little and if I had been by myself I would have just up and sobbed. I wasn't sad about anything. Strange.

Cliff notes: 3:46:29, which I would have liked to do better but nor am I going to complain about it. Also, NEVER AGAIN. This kind of thing's not my bag, baby.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/11 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man. In my book that's a damn good time. I hope get as close to 4:00 when I do mine in March. Looking forward to your longer report.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/11 06:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3:46 is good man....not as good as my 3:42, but still good.

I know how you feel though...I was just cruising at a 3:30 pace till 19 or so....then the wheels just started falling off. I kept thing "never again" and "why the fuck am I doing this when I could have stopped at 13.1 and had a good PR.". Took about a week of recovery before I knew I'd be doing another one.


What was weirdest for me was that I had NONE of those problems or thoughts during the Ironman. I never had a real down time and really enjoyed every second of it.


A S D
(Sr Member)
11/06/11 09:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Its been about 3 weeks since the marathon I ran in Columbus, and I thought I would finally get around to posting about it.

Race day weather was perfect, about 48 at the start and 55 at the finish, so no complaints there. The race started out great, went through the first half with no problems at all and at the pace I was shooting for (1:44:00). The next five miles were no problem either, but I could feel myself starting to wear down a little bit. Almost as soon as I passed the 18 mile mark, my knee started to kill me, and I knew exactly what it was, my IT band. I hadn't had problems with it in over 18 months and it had to flare up now. The last 8 miles of the marathon were a combination of running/walking/stretching. I don't think I was able to run any more than .25 miles at a time without having to stop and try to stretch out. It took everything I had in me to finish out the race and not quit entirely. I finished in 3:58:xx. Much, much slower than my goal of 3:30, but considering the circumstances, I was happy with it. After about 30 minutes of recovering and saying never again, I knew I would have to redeem myself in the spring. I'm in the process of trying to find another one to do and beat my goal of 3:30.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/11 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. That IT band is a bitch, ain't it?

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/11 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not too too much more to add now that I'm sober and relaxed.

The course as I ran it:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/127342529
Pretty flat, although you get about 90 feet in about 1/2 mile going over the highway. It didn't feel like anything when I did it early on but it was a pain coming back at mile 21.

* As others noted, the "never again" feeling is gone and I am going to run another marathon - I don't feel satisfied with my performance even though I am happy with my time.

* From what I saw, these are very well managed and supported marathons. The Savannah one went very smoothly. It would have been nice if the course had been more scenic (it spent some time in the semi-ghetto and plenty on the highway and only a little in the historic district) but it's not like you can fit all 26 miles into the historic district. So, pretty great course, very flat until the rolling on/offramps on the highway, good support, the bands are cool. Strong recommendation. Got emailed with nicely tagged pics from Brightroom the day after the race too.



* I put bodyglide on my nipples, taint area, thighs, and all other "creases" down below. Unfortunately at mile 20-21 I started to feel some chafing on my willy. It only got worse and I have a pretty bad chafe on my wanger now. Lesson learned, will put bodyglide on the dingaling next time.


Sirbeefhead
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/11 08:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wang chafe? that's a new one by me.

but, FUCKYEAH MARATHON!


nice work


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/11 12:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WhiteDSM520

In the past few months I've shed quite a bit of time off my 3 mile time.
My previous best was 24:59 which was about 3 years old.
Earlier this summer I hit 24:44
Last month I hit 23:39
And just last friday I have a new personal best 22:26

I have a goal to get my time to 19:xx before the end of the year.


Shorty after posting this I did a 10k trail run and developed pretty bad shin splints. After a month completely out of the game I went down to tri-sports, had my gait examined, bought new shoes to correct over-pronation and completely reworked my run mechanics. Since then I have slowly been ramping up mileage and have managed to stay healthy ever since. This 19.xx goal kinda got lost in the shuffle and now I have 7 weeks to reach it.

Tonight I tried for the first time since my injury and set a new PR pf 22:12. Not much better but 14 seconds is 14 seconds. I've already mentioned in this thread that I'm currently training for a marathon so I'll be only trying to accomplish this goal Tuesday nights since I don't really want to mess with anything else on my schedule. That leaves 7 more attempts. Wish me luck \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/11 12:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man.....and good call on trisports....they are a fantasgic company and I order a lot of my gear from them.

I'm hoping to focus on doing some short races early next year so I can see how all the training has paid off in the short game.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/12 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 miler 2 nights ago. Legs and lungs feel good and I've been walking around pain free. Now for the taper.

side note: My sub 20min 3m run goal totally went by the wayside. It's still a goal but focusing on upping my milage left no juice for me to try to break short run PRs.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/12 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sweet. I love hitting those big mile PR's....such an awesome feeling of accomplishment when you're done.

As for the 5k time....if you're anything like me, you'll be surprised how the shorter times have come down without doing anything specific to do so. Seems to be a nice benefit of all those long miles going slow(er), your body really wants to run fast when it knows it only has to do a fraction of the distance.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/12 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

These long runs have done a ton for my perspective on short distances. It's pretty insane to me how an 8 mile run has become a short "fun" run. This time last year a mile long trot around my neighborhood would bring me to my knees.

I'm looking forward to not having to constrain to a schedule. Working on those short PRs is something I'm really looking forward to. Plus a lot more pool and saddle time, which I desperately need as my last pool and bike outtings have shown.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/12 07:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be training for http://espnwwos.disney.go.com/events/rundisney/tower-of-terror-10-miler

Will be my first 10 mile run. I'm hoping to average 8 min miles. We shall see how training goes.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/12 07:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was just thinking about this thread yesterday, or starting a new one for 2012.

I've done short 1-3 mile warm up runs when I've been to the gym, which hasn't been much for the last month. But the days are getting longer which means I'll be able to get back to running outside. There is a half marathon here in two months which I would kind of like to do. Need to go out for a five or six mile run this weekend and see how it feels to gauge whether I can be ready.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/12 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The wife and I are doing the same half we did last year up in Sacramento next month. Both shooting for a good PR:

Me: ran a 1:42 last year, want to go 1:39.
Her: ran 1:51 last year, wants to go 1:44 this year.


My training runs leading up to the race last year were around 8:15 pace, and I ran a 7:47 pace in the race. Currently my mid distance runs (7-12 miles) are in the 7:20 range, so if history repeats and the adrenaline and race excitement/competitiveness help me out, I think I can run a 7:20 pace and crush my goal.


slackereg6
(Member)
02/17/12 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn I feel so slow compared to everybody. My fast runs are at 8:30 pace for 5-6 miles max. Last weekends long run was 12 miles at 10 min/mile pace.

First half is on Sunday I hope a can get it done in under 2 hours. My diet and overall training has been crap this week.

Ohh and I can't wait for the taper and I am not even halfway done with the training.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/12 06:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude...I didn't start out fast...far from it. Hell, I'm still not all that fast...but I'm happy with my progress. It's all about progression. \:\)

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/12 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This thread is awesome, I cant believe I havent been in the fitness forum yet.
Got my 3rd 20 miler of my training on Sunday, giving me 50 miles for this week.
I'm feeling a little beat up in places and think I need some new shoes to lift my spirits. \:D
I have put 400 miles on my Zoot Ultra Kanes in the last 3 months.

This was from my last 20 miler, good splits to, my last 4 miles were all sub 8.
Race goal is sub 3:30.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/12 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. Looks like we're at about the same place right now. I don't have any standalone marathons planned for this year, but my half goal for next month is in the 1:35 range, and I ran a 3:42 in my first standalone mary last August after doing no marathon specific training (basically ran it off my fitness from the Ironman 2 months before.) I kinda blew up in the last 6 miles...I should have been closer to 3:30.

MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/12 01:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Some fast people in here. Damn. I need to work harder.

Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
02/28/12 01:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I can't believe this is my first post ever in the Fitness forum since workouts and racing is such a large part of my life.

Anywho, I've been doing tri's (up to Olympic distance) for about 4 years now, but my longest run race is currently a 10K and my 10K PR (46:30) was done DURING an Olympic tri. Needless to say, I need to start running some more races since my running fitness has gotten much better over the past year.

Currently my race PRs are:
5K - 19:26 (6:15/mi) 11/24/11
4 mile - 26:00 (6:30/mi) 7/4/11
10K - 46:30 (7:29/mi) 6/25/11 During Olympic tri

I think I'm going to do a half marathon on April 1st and I've been stretching the distance out on my runs a bit for the last few months.

Yesterday I ran 11.5 miles in 1:27 (7:33/mi) and felt fantastic. I think I'm ready to rip of a sub 1:35 half marathon!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/12 01:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Vogz
I can't believe this is my first post ever in the Fitness forum since workouts and racing is such a large part of my life.

Anywho, I've been doing tri's (up to Olympic distance) for about 4 years now, but my longest run race is currently a 10K and my 10K PR (46:30) was done DURING an Olympic tri. Needless to say, I need to start running some more races since my running fitness has gotten much better over the past year.

Currently my race PRs are:
5K - 19:26 (6:15/mi) 11/24/11
4 mile - 26:00 (6:30/mi) 7/4/11
10K - 46:30 (7:29/mi) 6/25/11 During Olympic tri

I think I'm going to do a half marathon on April 1st and I've been stretching the distance out on my runs a bit for the last few months.

Yesterday I ran 11.5 miles in 1:27 (7:33/mi) and felt fantastic. I think m ready to rip of a sub 1:35 half marathon!


1:35 is my goal for my half in 2 weeks. McMillan says I should hit 1:34 based on my recent 20:32 5k.


What's your PR for your oly tri? Last one I did was a year and a half ago...only 4 months training and I managed a 2:42. I'm hoping for closer to 2:20 this Sunday.


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
02/28/12 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
 Originally Posted By: Vogz
I can't believe this is my first post ever in the Fitness forum since workouts and racing is such a large part of my life.

Anywho, I've been doing tri's (up to Olympic distance) for about 4 years now, but my longest run race is currently a 10K and my 10K PR (46:30) was done DURING an Olympic tri. Needless to say, I need to start running some more races since my running fitness has gotten much better over the past year.

Currently my race PRs are:
5K - 19:26 (6:15/mi) 11/24/11
4 mile - 26:00 (6:30/mi) 7/4/11
10K - 46:30 (7:29/mi) 6/25/11 During Olympic tri

I think I'm going to do a half marathon on April 1st and I've been stretching the distance out on my runs a bit for the last few months.

Yesterday I ran 11.5 miles in 1:27 (7:33/mi) and felt fantastic. I think m ready to rip of a sub 1:35 half marathon!


1:35 is my goal for my half in 2 weeks. McMillan says I should hit 1:34 based on my recent 20:32 5k.


What's your PR for your oly tri? Last one I did was a year and a half ago...only 4 months training and I managed a 2:42. I'm hoping for closer to 2:20 this Sunday.


2:25 last June. Should smash that this year assuming I don't get injured and it's not 90 degrees out during my races.

Good luck on Sunday!


**DONOTDELETE**
()
02/28/12 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: WhiteDSM520
It's pretty insane to me how an 8 mile run has become a short "fun" run.


I miss this... \:\(
I ran 7ks last night. ugh. Getting back into it.


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/12 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did the Rock N Roll Marathon in New Orleans this morning. Unofficial was posted at 4:04:17. Was really hoping to break 4 but I'm still stoked since this was my first. I'll definitely be doing another.

I felt fantastic through 13.1,I thought my split was going to be good but around mile 18 I realized I may have pushed to hard the first half. My lungs and legs felt pretty good till mile 22 and my legs started cramping hard. I slowed down ran through the cramps and at 24 the cramps were gone but my legs were done my lungs were never an issue. Hardest 2.2 miles of my life. Anyhow I feel surprisingly good now. At my friends house and everyone is showering. Time to get drunk!


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/04/12 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice Job on the RnR Marathon!! It seems that alot of people start to have issues around 17-19mi in. The exact same thing happened to me last year at the Cleveland Marathon except mine also included the dreaded bathroom stop.

MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/12 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had to shit for about 16 miles. So I feel ya.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/12 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job buddy! Yeah, that 19-21 mile part is a total bitch ain't it? \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/12 05:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a fantastic race this morning in Palm Springs. International distance which means it's whatever they want it to be, but in this case it was a 3/4mile swim, 24 mile bike, and 6 mile run.
Had to get up at 3:30 to drive the 2 hours out there, but had plenty of time to get ready after checking in.

Overall 2:13. 17/73 in my age group.


Swim 21:43: Unfortunately I haven't swam a single lap since IMAZ back in November. I knew it would hinder me, but figured my overall fitness was good enough. ater was mid 60's, but didn't feel too cold after warming up a bit. Once we were off, I really felt me lack of swim fitness. \:\( Oh well, focused on staying smooth and I was out of the water 27/73 in my AG.

Bike 1:04, Avg speed 22.4 mph: This felt great. Wore my new aero helmet and settled into a nice clip right off the bat. Only had 3 guys pass me the whole ride....which is a nice change of pace. lol.

Run 44:15 7:22/mi This went even better than the bike. 2 loop course around the lake we swam in. kept things nice and in control for the first loop to let me legs adjust. Did the first loop in 22:30. Second loop I found my stride and started picking up the pace. Ran the second 3 in 21:30.


Overall I'm really happy. Only my second year in the sport, and I didn't do any shorter distance tris last year, but I'm seeing major improvements. Hoping In can crack the top 10 next year.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/04/12 07:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way to go man! Sounds like an awesome time. I'd love to try a tri sometime after I'm actually in shape lol.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/12 07:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks....they really are a blast. Find a local sprint and sign up!

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/12 12:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sweet. Yeah, those shorter distance ones seem a LOT more sane than the Ironman stuff. It actually sounds like fun.

That average speed on the bike is FLYING. That's where all of your aero did something. Had to be worth an extra 1-1.5 mph overall, because damn--blazing. Great overall result. Must feel great to finish ahead of so many people.

2:13 sounds like it can still fall in the "fun" category in terms of exertion.
If I had any sort of swim form and I were still running, I'd be tempted. \:\)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/05/12 07:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think there's a 5k here local in April some time I'm going to look into signing up for. Hoping by then I can be sub 30min!

slackereg6
(Member)
03/10/12 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

16 mile run and I didn't use glide on my nipples fuuuuck.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/12 07:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
16 mile run and I didn't use glide on my nipples fuuuuck.

Maybe I don't rotate my torso as much but I've never had an issue with nipple chaffing on long runs. I might be lucky though \:\)


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/11/12 06:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Had a fantastic race this morning in Palm Springs. International distance which means it's whatever they want it to be, but in this case it was a 3/4mile swim, 24 mile bike, and 6 mile run.
Had to get up at 3:30 to drive the 2 hours out there, but had plenty of time to get ready after checking in.

Overall 2:13. 17/73 in my age group.


Swim 21:43: Unfortunately I haven't swam a single lap since IMAZ back in November. I knew it would hinder me, but figured my overall fitness was good enough. ater was mid 60's, but didn't feel too cold after warming up a bit. Once we were off, I really felt me lack of swim fitness. \:\( Oh well, focused on staying smooth and I was out of the water 27/73 in my AG.

Bike 1:04, Avg speed 22.4 mph: This felt great. Wore my new aero helmet and settled into a nice clip right off the bat. Only had 3 guys pass me the whole ride....which is a nice change of pace. lol.

Run 44:15 7:22/mi This went even better than the bike. 2 loop course around the lake we swam in. kept things nice and in control for the first loop to let me legs adjust. Did the first loop in 22:30. Second loop I found my stride and started picking up the pace. Ran the second 3 in 21:30.


Overall I'm really happy. Only my second year in the sport, and I didn't do any shorter distance tris last year, but I'm seeing major improvements. Hoping In can crack the top 10 next year.


Awesome! You did an int tri last weekend and a half mara this weekend?!?! Damn.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/12 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 days till my marathon.
Raceday forecast...50 degrees and a 70% chance of rain.


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/12 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Warrior dash coming up on the 31st. My goal is sub 30 min. I've been running more and more the past few months and am getting faster but not as fast as I'd like to be. I typically run a 5k in 22-23 min with my best being 21:29 so I assume that I'll get a bit quicker between now and the run and allot 7 minutes for obstacles.

For those that have run warrior dash what were your times?


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/12 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

went out for a 6mile run yesterday. realized that i skipped breakfast for a cup of coffee and worked thru my lunch to get caught up on a project

walked outside, hit mile 2 and my body shut down quick in the 70 degree humid weather.




talk about being dissapointed and defeated. i was dissapoint


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/14/12 12:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 13.5mi today in 1:43. Not bad since it was the first warm day around here since fall and my body isn't used to running above 40F.

Will be picking up the pace a bit for my half on April 1st.


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/14/12 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
Warrior dash coming up on the 31st. My goal is sub 30 min. I've been running more and more the past few months and am getting faster but not as fast as I'd like to be. I typically run a 5k in 22-23 min with my best being 21:29 so I assume that I'll get a bit quicker between now and the run and allot 7 minutes for obstacles.

For those that have run warrior dash what were your times?


I think I was around 22 mins. My 5K PR is 19:26.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/12 09:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i have a 5miler scheduled for today but i'm going to revamp my running program.

this nike+ program's initiative is for you to get comfortable running a set distance but it doesn't focus too much on increasing your distance throughout the program.

i might go back to the format of doing a/a/b for my runs to build up my mileage again


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/12 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Vogz
 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
Warrior dash coming up on the 31st. My goal is sub 30 min. I've been running more and more the past few months and am getting faster but not as fast as I'd like to be. I typically run a 5k in 22-23 min with my best being 21:29 so I assume that I'll get a bit quicker between now and the run and allot 7 minutes for obstacles.

For those that have run warrior dash what were your times?


I think I was around 22 mins. My 5K PR is 19:26.


Wow that's quick. My friend finished 90/3000 with a 27 min pace last year. I don't know that I'm that fast. We'll see.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/12 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Took the last two days off after my half....the legs were definitely feeling the effort on monday and tuesday. Probably take today off as well...I deserve it, lol.

I have ridden my bike every day since though, and added some more weight to the equation as well. The wife was "inspecting" my new muscles last night. \:D


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/14/12 03:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
 Originally Posted By: Vogz
 Originally Posted By: Nick in SD 07Sti
Warrior dash coming up on the 31st. My goal is sub 30 min. I've been running more and more the past few months and am getting faster but not as fast as I'd like to be. I typically run a 5k in 22-23 min with my best being 21:29 so I assume that I'll get a bit quicker between now and the run and allot 7 minutes for obstacles.

For those that have run warrior dash what were your times?


I think I was around 22 mins. My 5K PR is 19:26.


Wow that's quick. My friend finished 90/3000 with a 27 min pace last year. I don't know that I'm that fast. We'll see.


Another thing to remember is all the courses are different and slightly different distances.

I finished 296/7671 and the winner was 17:39 (I think he cheated)


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/12 02:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My 5k pr is 22 min and change. My warrior dash i did in Hollister in Oct was 30 min and change after a late night that involved some drinking. Sub 30 shouldn't be an issue based on your 5k I'll be doing another one here in AZ in April. It's hard to have a specific goal because like Vogz said all the courses are different but sub 30 would make me happy.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/12 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
BRING ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/12 10:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

26.2, done.
So I wasnt sure what to expect as the last couple of weeks I had been nursing some weird tightness behind my left knee.
Fortunately it happened around when I was supposed to taper anyway so I laid super low during my taper.
It ended up feeling pretty good during the race, not perfect but not enough to really bring me down.
I had my left hip tighten up on me around mile 12 though, that was weird, never had hip problems before but I just ran through it and worked it out after a couple miles.
Ended up at 3:38, wanted to get closer to 3:30 but still happy.
Met some cool people during the run and overall had a really good time, other than the last 4 miles which were pure fucking hell.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/12 11:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....that's a solid freaking time. What race was it...and how was the course?


Just signed the wife and I up for Rock n Roll San Diego. I'll be pacing her to hopefully a 3:34 to get her into Boston next year. Not our first choice of races, but the only one that would work with our schedule.


slackereg6
(Member)
03/19/12 11:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job that’s a great time. I keep hearing the marathon does not really start until mile 20.

Mr.Mom you might want to aim 2 minutes under since they now cap entries and do it by fastest time. I think 2012 you had to be 1:14 under your qualifying time to get a spot. That was with the old times so the new times you may not have to be under by as much if it all but you won't know until after registration is closed. You may have already known all this.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/12 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Nice job man....that's a solid freaking time. What race was it...and how was the course?


Just signed the wife and I up for Rock n Roll San Diego. I'll be pacing her to hopefully a 3:34 to get her into Boston next year. Not our first choice of races, but the only one that would work with our schedule.


It was Modesto, very flat course.
I paced a girl that was trying for boston for miles 14-20, at that point we were running 8:10 pace so she was on pace for it, she dropped back at about 20 though and ended up finishing at 3:47.
The last 2 miles I was running with a guy who started out with the 3:10 pace group for the first 18 miles and then cramped up, crazy shit can happen.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/12 02:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Good job that’s a great time. I keep hearing the marathon does not really start until mile 20.

Mr.Mom you might want to aim 2 minutes under since they now cap entries and do it by fastest time. I think 2012 you had to be 1:14 under your qualifying time to get a spot. That was with the old times so the new times you may not have to be under by as much if it all but you won't know until after registration is closed. You may have already known all this.


Oh yeah, we know. Her base qualifying time is a 3:40 so we're looking to give her a solid cushion with a 3:36 goal. She ran a 3:50 in December on very minimal training. She's lighter, more fit, and just ran a 1:42 half last week.

I honestly don't expect either of us to have too much trouble with it. :knockonwood:


slackereg6
(Member)
03/19/12 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm sorry I thought she was in the 3:35 group. With a 1:42 half she should not have much trouble if race day goes well.

This thread is still making me feel very slow. 18 miler this weekend should be fun.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/12 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, she'll be 35 in December so it bumps her up to the next AG for Boston next year.


I'm just happy to be running with her. Where I'm much better when training/racing by myself, she much prefers to have a partner.

Plus, the timing is perfect for me as IM Louisville is 2 months later.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/12 12:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just signed up for my next marathon, trail this time.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/12 12:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dumbass!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/12 01:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


I did a 30k on this same mountain a couple years ago, it sucked ass.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/21/12 02:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Alright, motivate me guys.
Lately it's been 50 degrees, but rainy and windy every fucking day. I've not ran more than about 8k since in a go in 9 months. But I did manage a 22min 5k in September(pretty good by me). I've been lifting weights and hiking, so I'm far from shit shape, but I'm really struggling to get out and run. I'm almost 4 years off my last 1/2 marathon, 3 since my really training(I ended up not running that one due to a move).

Ugh, I just hate running with the rain and 30-60 mph winds we've been having.
I'm jealous of all the shit you guys are doing, but I can't seem to get back into my running groove...


slackereg6
(Member)
03/21/12 10:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Does anybody have any recommendation on removing a callus that has formed on the ball of my foot? Over the last week it has been starting to hurt more and I would like to try and fix it by this weekend’s run so I don’t have to miss it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/12 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

PedEgg.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/12 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Alright, motivate me guys.
Lately it's been 50 degrees, but rainy and windy every fucking day. I've not ran more than about 8k since in a go in 9 months. But I did manage a 22min 5k in September(pretty good by me). I've been lifting weights and hiking, so I'm far from shit shape, but I'm really struggling to get out and run. I'm almost 4 years off my last 1/2 marathon, 3 since my really training(I ended up not running that one due to a move).

Ugh, I just hate running with the rain and 30-60 mph winds we've been having.
I'm jealous of all the shit you guys are doing, but I can't seem to get back into my running groove...


I despise the wind. IMO nothing more demoralizing. Under your circumstances Id probably just do half my runs outside, and the other half on a treadmill.

oh, and sign up for a race to boost your motivation. Read Born to Run, watch Pre, etc.


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/22/12 12:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
PedEgg.




This x 100


Vogz
(Post Master Sr)
03/22/12 12:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So it's been 80+ here the last few days and I haven't run in temps like that since last August or something. Hurting my pace big time (like 30sec/mile on average). Shouldn't be 80s around here until June. WTF?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/12 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I need to get some hot humid weather this summer if I don't want to keel over jn Louisville this summer.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/12 10:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

four miles from completing 600miles ran using my nike+ to track my runs.

even though 1000miles is 400 away, i can't wait to hit that mark


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/12 12:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got in my first run tonight since my marathon.
Decided to mix it up and did a set of burpees, push up rows and flutter kicks and then did a .8 mile run, doing that 3 times.
Felt great and averaged 6:45 for my runs even though I felt like I was going pretty easy.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/12 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Have any of you avid runners battled shin splints? What are your remedies? According to the wear on my shoes I have a good foot strike. I'm rolling through the sole and off my toes.

Went for a run today and by the first 1/2 mile my shins were aching something wicked. Slow warm up pace too \:\(


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/12 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My shin splints went away with rest, stretching and more running. Just let it rest 1-2 days, then go running and they should go away after a couple weeks.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/12 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
My shin splints went away with rest, stretching and more running. Just let it rest 1-2 days, then go running and they should go away after a couple weeks.

I've had them my entire life.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/01/12 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First race of the year is on the books. I ran the Fool's Run 25k this morning. It was a pretty rough trail run through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. I finished a little better than I expected, I was hoping for 2:30 and came in at 2:14:xx. Which was good for 9th overall. I'm not sure how they do AG brackets for trail runs. Overall it was a great race with alot of challenging hills(some brought me to a walk).

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/163757146


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/12 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
My shin splints went away with rest, stretching and more running. Just let it rest 1-2 days, then go running and they should go away after a couple weeks.

I've had them my entire life.


So have I, they didn't t go away until I became a regular runner. If I just ran intermittently, they would always occur.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/12 02:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
 Originally Posted By: Back 5
 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
My shin splints went away with rest, stretching and more running. Just let it rest 1-2 days, then go running and they should go away after a couple weeks.

I've had them my entire life.


So have I, they didn't t go away until I became a regular runner. If I just ran intermittently, they would always occur.

Thanks man. I'm hoping that my lower legs simply aren't in running shape yet and that's why their aching. I haven't run ~ 8 months due to my ACL surgery and complications. I have a 5k next month and a 10 mile run in September, so I'm hoping to be ready by then.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/12 10:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I would try, recover, try, recover. Ideally, you go from needing 3-4 days off to 2-3 days off to 1-2 days off before running again.

Rupert Pupkin
(Post Master Sr)
04/02/12 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ive never been a runner. I went and got some Brooks running shoes this weekend. Today I ran my first mile in 11:38. It wasnt as painful as I thought. Ive been doing the eliptical, for about three weeks and running is a different animal. What is more effective? Running a mile or doing 45 mins of eliptical at a pace of about 150 strides a min?

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/12 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The answer is running, it's why a lot of people don't do it.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/12 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I have a half 2 weeks from sunday, 6 weeks after my full.
I had to take a week off due to back problems and I have been doing nothing but speed work.
I plan on doing 14-15 this sunday but other than that I'm going to just keep doing intervals, tempo runs and hills.
We'll see how it goes.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/12 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So after pacing my brother through the last 10 miles of the American River 50 miler, I've become obsessed with trail running and ultras. It was such an eye opening experience. I plan on doing that race next year, but in the mean time will be looking for a local trail race to do before the San diego RnR marathon in June.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/12 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
So after pacing my brother through the last 10 miles of the American River 50 miler, I've become obsessed with trail running and ultras. It was such an eye opening experience. I plan on doing that race next year, but in the mean time will be looking for a local trail race to do before the San diego RnR marathon in June.


Was he doing it as a qualifier for the WS100?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/12 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, along with about 10 people in the running group he coaches.

He actually had two tickets in the lottery for WS this year, but didn't get picked.


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/12 10:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I signed up for the Brooklyn half in May and started training a few weeks ago. I normally run about 8 miles a week. Now that I've kicked it up to 15 miles a week (and changed shoes) I now have shin splints. I've never had them before and they suck!

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/12 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally grabbed some new shoes yesterday


Im trying out some more "barefoot" style, much less cushioning than most shoes out there.(although it doesnt translate in the pic the sole is pretty thin)and the orange is way crazier
I got them pretty cheap so whatever.

Ill see how it goes. Already did a 3k on them last night. The shoes are really light. My cardio is fine right now (since I swim) so that was not an issue..but getting used to the pounding again will take a little holding back. I could easily bang out a decent run but dont need to hurt any tendons etc from too much pounding to quickly. I havent done any running in about a yr.


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/12 03:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Do you find running in a more barefoot style shoe a bit awkward at first?

Last year I started running with the Nike + 2 (or whatever the hell its called) and found it odd to strike on my midfoot rather than my heel. This year I'm running with the Saucony Kinavara 2 (below) which has less of a heel drop and after running in them for a few weeks my calves are still sore after every single run.




Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/12 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well Ive only done the one run and just took it somewhat easy. My legs are certainly a bit sore today but Ill see how it progresses. Probably a combo of the different style shoe and not used to the pounding.

I did try and practice landing more mid foot for a km or two...something I normally do in a sprint but not so much on longer runs.


That looks like a great shoe.


LuckyRVA
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/12 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm digging it so far. It's light as hell.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/12 10:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Done two more runs since. So far seems ok. Just typical "i havent run in ages" pain so far.

my calves are doing just fine. shins and other tendons are a bit sore.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just checkin' in... PR'd yesterday in the half (1:31:43) and now I'm preparing for the race of my life on Saturday.

This will be the Moe's "Burrito Dash". Run 2 miles, eat a (smallish) burrito, yell "Welcome to Moe's!", and then run the last 1.1 miles. I'm not worried about puking or anything (it's a 400 calorie burrito) but I'm wondering how long it will take me to catch my breath enough so that I can eat the burrito.

Still, I'm looking forward to it! There's a crazy purse ($2000 for 1st, $1000 for 2nd, $500 for 3rd) but I think that purse is going to bring in some serious competition.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh shit...nipping at my heels!


Nice job man!
 Originally Posted By: micah
Just checkin' in... PR'd yesterday in the half (1:31:43) and now I'm preparing for the race of my life on Saturday.

This will be the Moe's "Burrito Dash". Run 2 miles, eat a (smallish) burrito, yell "Welcome to Moe's!", and then run the last 1.1 miles. I'm not worried about puking or anything (it's a 400 calorie burrito) but I'm wondering how long it will take me to catch my breath enough so that I can eat the burrito.

Still, I'm looking forward to it! There's a crazy purse ($2000 for 1st, $1000 for 2nd, $500 for 3rd) but I think that purse is going to bring in some serious competition.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks - it was actually my first thought when the clock came into view! "Did I beat that goofy tattoo'd CSI bastard?"

TBH, I'd feel like a wanker saying it anywhere but here, but all those distance runs during the marathon training made 13.1 miles really seem like no big deal. I mean it was a tough effort but I was never intimidated by it. I'm sure it's the same for you with the tri training.

Side note, I've been running in Brooks Launch, which I've loved. I decide to try the Brooks Pure Flow, which are a bit lighter - they were great! Responsive, fairly cushy, fast. (I had gone to the store to look at the Pure Connect, which is more minimal, but the toe box was WAY too narrow.) I'm way too heavy to go barefoot on pavement but I really like the spread of fairly flat shoes like the Brooks Pure and NB minimus lines.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah....I remember thinking in my last marathon, at the halfway point..."if I was mart I'd have just signed up for the half and I'd be done and feeling fantastic right now."

I love the half distance. It's long enough to be a challenge, but short enough that you can really run it hard. You're right...once you've run a full or two, 13.1 just isn't a big deal mentally.

I've heard a lot of good things about that whole Brooks Pure line...might have to try them out. I did my last half in my Kswiss racing flats that are only 6oz and man it makes a difference in foot speed and turnover. Only problem is the legs take a bit of a beating at that distance and speed with such a thin sole.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 01:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Third goal for the year coming up this saturday. Local 10k with a pretty big turnout. My goal is to go sub 42, but if I have a good day I think I can go sub 40:00, which based on last years results, would put me in top 3 for my AG....which would be awesome.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 02:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

two of my old co-workers ran in the Boston Marathon today (male/female).

cierrecart, they both ran it in a hair over 4hrs...is that bad or good? just asking because i hear how some of you run your marathons in the 3s and i just wondered.




...i want to try the phila half in november


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my longest run since my injury last year has been 8miles and i ran an avg pace of 8.33

hopefully i can run something respectable for a half-marathon race


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/12 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Duc
two of my old co-workers ran in the Boston Marathon today (male/female).

cierrecart, they both ran it in a hair over 4hrs...is that bad or good? just asking because i hear how some of you run your marathons in the 3s and i just wondered.


J

...i want to try the phila half in november


From what I hear it was unusually hot in Boston today, and times from the pros on down reflect that. A buddy of mine qualified with a 2:59, and ran a 4:45 today.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/12 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the Burrito Dash 5k in 21:33 this mornin'. Eating the burrito was a BITCH! You're out of breath and it was pretty dry. Burrito was at the 2 mile mark, I fully caught my breath at the stop, so I set back out real fast (6 minute range). But after about 500 yards I started to have to puke. Actually had to walk for about 20 seconds, then picked up and jogged through the last stretch.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/12 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nabbed my first podium yesterday. 2nd place AG finish in a local 10k with a 40:40. Pretty stoked.

slackereg6
(Member)
04/22/12 01:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job man!

ChittyChittyGangBang
(Post Master)
04/23/12 08:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Nabbed my first podium yesterday. 2nd place AG finish in a local 10k with a 40:40. Pretty stoked.


Damn good work!


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/12 10:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got some more mileage in.
calves have been fine...quads are feeling it more so than Ive felt in the past. interesting


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/28/12 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran a 10 mile race this morning. Finished in 1:07:53, averaged about a 6:46 mile. I did the same race last year at 1:12:xx. I could have done a little better but I was afraid of blowing up to early. I came in 12 out of 117 in my AG and 64 out of just over 1500 over all.

I'll put up the garmin link when I upload it


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/12 07:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Mike....thats a solid race.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/12 07:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

With todays 9 mile run Im at 46 miles in the last 6 days.

Epic Medic
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/12 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trying to trim weight so my legs isn't carrying to much weight!
While maintaining strength.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/12 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Signed up for another marathon.

http://www.pctrailruns.com/event.aspx?dtid=9929

Trail run...start in Santa Cruz Mountains and end at the ocean.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/12 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran the crystal city 5K friday race last week.

completed it 24.37 which put me at 7m43secs per mile


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/12 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Will be signing up for my first marathon this week. It is the St. Jude's in Memphis the first weekend of December, so plenty of time to train.

I've run a few half marathons now and they have been fine. I'm not sure I'm excited yet about the full, though.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/12 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That looks fun as hell.
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Signed up for another marathon.

http://www.pctrailruns.com/event.aspx?dtid=9929

Trail run...start in Santa Cruz Mountains and end at the ocean.


TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
04/30/12 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got a pair of these for $71 out the door. Already marked down, additional 20% off, and a $50 gift card from Christmas.

Nike Air Max+ 2012


Can't wait to get out and give them a shot in the morning. I was doing the minimalist thing last year until I got hurt and just can't get back into it (get frustrated that I can only run a mile or so in them before I'm sore). Am excited to get out and get my mileage back up with these.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great work Duc, Lessthanmike, and Mr. Mom!

I did this "Quarry Crusher" race this weekend. It was BRUTAL. I'm normally good with hills and on normal rollers, I pass people, so I thought I could take advantage. In the end... EVERYONE walked. Most painful race of my life. The downhill was tough too because it was just a matter of how much do you want to open up your stride vs. how scared are you to fall (it was a bit gravelly). In the end I did okay taking 9th out of around 180 runners, chip time 27:54 for a 3.72 mile run.




550 feet of gain in 1.5 miles, with much steeper parts locally:
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/173291297


HotHB
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Question:

So this winter I got into running on the treadmill...as the weather has gotten nicer I have moved this new found hobby to the great outdoors...mostly running mild trails around town.

Anyway, I am feeling good and have slimmed down quite a bit, not to mention my legs have completely changed shape (g-unit says for the better).

But my question is about form...is there a right way to run?

I'm not getting aches or anything...but just curious.

Any tips/tricks quick little adjustments you can make on the fly to make sure you are 'doing it right'?


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 10:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Will be signing up for my first marathon this week. It is the St. Jude's in Memphis the first weekend of December, so plenty of time to train.

I've run a few half marathons now and they have been fine. I'm not sure I'm excited yet about the full, though.

You've probably heard this from 40 people, but the marathon is a real wake up call compared to the half. Don't skimp on the long training runs. Also, if you're anything like me, you're going to lose speed from the marathon training. I have a friend who runs a lot of marathons and I always wondered why she wasn't faster through her 5k faces, considering she puts on 70 miles a week... now I know.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 11:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: HotHB
Any tips/tricks quick little adjustments you can make on the fly to make sure you are 'doing it right'?

You'll get a lot of answers for this... there's a whole range. At one extreme is "pose running" where you really focus on your form and running an exact certain way. In the middle, some people just work to not strike too far back on their heel. Then there's just running, which I do. The #1 rule though is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you're not getting any aches, then don't make any big changes to your form, or your shoes for that matter.

The only things I can say for sure about form and tips:
* Treadmill running is no substitute for road running, as you might have found. It's good for your cardio but the treadmill changes your gait (toes point more straight) and so you wouldn't want to, say, train for a race, exclusively on the treadmill.

* Run tall. Keep your shoulders up and your head back, it'll help your back feel better and it opens up your airway. If you're not wearing good sunglasses or a visor you might find your head drooping to stay out of the sun; just think about your form every few miles and get that head way up in the air.


HotHB
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks...this sounds stupid...but WTF am i supposed to do with my arms?

I feel like they are in the way. I have read parallel to the ground at the elbow is good...but i tend to feel my hands dropping and my elbows opening up...is that bad/good/does it matter?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Don't worry about it man...just let them do what they naturally want to do.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 12:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Don't worry about it man...just let them do what they naturally want to do.


+1, dont over think it.


HotHB
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/12 02:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol...fair enough. Just gonna run, fuck it.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/01/12 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've gone to a few of the Good Form Running seminars put on by Fleet Feet. They give a few good pointers on cadence and basic form. I personally have a habit of kinda tucking my elbows and keeping them at almost a 90 degree angle. They say that it's not right. I've tried their posture and it's really not comfortable for me. Here's the link maybe you'll get some pointers from.
http://www.goodformrunning.com/
This is how I normally keep my arms while running


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/12 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm pretty sure when I ran mine I completely forgot I had arms.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/12 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
 Originally Posted By: Back 5
 Originally Posted By: Chris Brown
My shin splints went away with rest, stretching and more running. Just let it rest 1-2 days, then go running and they should go away after a couple weeks.

I've had them my entire life.


So have I, they didn't t go away until I became a regular runner. If I just ran intermittently, they would always occur.

Thanks man. I'm hoping that my lower legs simply aren't in running shape yet and that's why their aching. I haven't run ~ 8 months due to my ACL surgery and complications. I have a 5k next month and a 10 mile run in September, so I'm hoping to be ready by then.

Met with the surgeon again today, this time the arthrogram showed a torn meniscus. Either I tore my meniscus again, or the meniscus repair during the ACL reconstruction didn't take. Perhaps this is why my shinsplints are coming back? Running with a torn meniscus would mess up my biomechanics a bit.

I have a 5k this weekend and the 10 miler in September. Registration is already paid for, no refunds. He said I should be back to running in 4-6 weeks post surgery, so I will have to try and plan for the surgery + recovery time + training time for the 10 mile run.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/12 11:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 7 miles of trails today with 1000 ft of elevation gain, knocked it out in 55 minutes.
Felt really good.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/12 11:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I really wish I had access to some trails around here. I'm jealous of my brother who lives up by Folsom Lake....hundreds of miles of awesome trails right out his back door.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/12 11:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Can you do beach running?
I did some barefoot running in Mexico and I loved it.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Was looking to finally break 20 this morning... pushed it hard and crossed the line at 19:11! SO FUCKING HAPPY! Previous PR was 20:08. Running hard every day and losing 10 pounds did it for me!

WWWWOOOOOOOOHHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!


MIGHTYWhiteDSM520
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 10:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kickass man!

Epic Medic
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

Was looking to finally break 20 this morning... pushed it hard and crossed the line at 19:11! SO FUCKING HAPPY! Previous PR was 20:08. Running hard every day and losing 10 pounds did it for me!

WWWWOOOOOOOOHHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!
. So much want!!!!


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fuck, that is fast

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, breaking 20 is flying.

I'd imagine if I ran a 5k right now, I'd be around 24. Shaving 5 minute off that?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/12 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....damn, throwing the gauntlet down!

slackereg6
(Member)
05/05/12 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job! That's damn fast

Can't wait to run again rest sucks. Already have some races picked out.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/12 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My gf and I just ran the Everest Challenge at Animal Kingdom last night. Knee was sore and slowed me down some. We were in wave 4, which meant we were dodging walkers the entire 5k \:\( There were obsticals to get through, which slowed us down even more. Some dude was taking pictures of his wife during the tires

Don't have official results but my watch says we finished the run in 28:10. There was a scavenger hunt that we had to complete afterwards, so we had to run an additional 2-3 miles solving the puzzles. My watch says we finished overall in roughly 45:00, which should have placed us in the top 10 for co-ed. I'll update when they release the scores online.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/12 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Since Ive started running, I'm doing 3:00 run, 2:00 walk x 4, with a 4:00 cool down at the end. My question is, how long should I keep doing this same cycle? Stick with this for 2 weeks, and then go to 4:00 run, 2:00 walk, or something else altogether? What are your thoughts?

**DONOTDELETE**
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05/06/12 04:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Planta fascia acting up.
Sometimes I hate my body.
No running this week, only eliptical or bike.

It's mild, so hopefully only a week off, and than back to only 5km "long" runs.

Jello-c on 19min! 22 is my recent pb, but I'm 8 months off of that.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/12 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I say just run till you need to walk, then start up again when you get your wind back. The run segments will quickly get longer, walk segments shorter.
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Since Ive started running, I'm doing 3:00 run, 2:00 walk x 4, with a 4:00 cool down at the end. My question is, how long should I keep doing this same cycle? Stick with this for 2 weeks, and then go to 4:00 run, 2:00 walk, or something else altogether? What are your thoughts?


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/12 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks a million for the kudos guys! I don't really know what part of my ass I pulled this time out of. Just some weight loss (~15 lbs) and hard running every day. I never slowed the drinking though!

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/12 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My gf and I placed 45/1122 in the race. Our clock time was over by 3 minutes vs my watch time, which would have placed us in top 15, but we had fun anyway \:\)

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/12 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

16 mile run 2 days after hills = sore ass.
I've never felt so butthurt on a run before.


TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
05/07/12 07:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried the Air Max 2012 for a couple runs and determined they were just a hair too small. Took them back to Nike and tried the Vomero because they didn't have any of my size in the Air Max. What a piece of shit! They are too soft and on a 1.5 mile run, my heel and knees hurt so bad that I was done with them.

Went to a running store today and they hooked me up with these:

Brooks PureFlow


Going to try to get out tonight and just get a quick mile or 2 in them to see if they are going to work. Let's hope so! I'm so tired of searching for shoes.

Edit: Went out and did a quick (relatively speaking) mile, 2 hours after some pizza and cheese bread. I couldn't wait to run in them and I think I've finally found a pair I'm going to keep. Recommend these and the reviews by most people online have been positive (unless you run in the rain, and then they kind of suck. But that's what treadmills are for, right? Less chance of bloody nips).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/12 10:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been sort of crabby the last 5 days since the wife was out of town and I couldn't do any running. Finally got to go out this evening and had a fantastic run. Beautiful weather, setting sun, and an effortless 11 miles at a 7:18 pace.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 08:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been running the PureFlow and I really enjoy them. (I wanted the pureconnect but the toe box was WAY too narrow.)

Ran them in the rain last night - I can see why people would comment on that; they were a tiny bit slick. Not so I felt I was going to fall down or anything, but you could feel a little play with each step. Nothing that would make me recommend against it.


Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 08:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm sorry noob here

When you are running, do you always listen to music? Where does your mind go?

I was just thinking about this, as I have been progressing to longer runs. I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 10:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did 10k last night. Just for the heck of it.

cardio wise was fine. The pounding. still sucks. But Im not finding the shoes are a problem. My calves are perfectly fine. Just not used to it yet.

Also been trying to work my technique and not over extend/heel strike.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm sorry noob here

When you are running, do you always listen to music? Where does your mind go?

I was just thinking about this, as I have been progressing to longer runs. I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?

I do about 75% of my runs with headphones...mostly music but sometimes podcasts too. The other times I like to just put shoes on and run....no music, no watch, no gear....and it usually feels fantastic. I just let my mind wander...but usually I'm going over a big upcoming race in my head.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
I've been sort of crabby the last 5 days since the wife was out of town and I couldn't do any running. Finally got to go out this evening and had a fantastic run. Beautiful weather, setting sun, and an effortless 11 miles at a 7:18 pace.


Nice! Dont you love when you realize how much your work has paid off?
I went out for a easy 8 yesterday morning, felt like I was floating and just chillin and ended up doing it at 7:05 pace.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

music and day dreaming for me

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?


I focus on nothing in particular. My runs aren't some effortless floating exercise though. Running with my dogs helps or running on trails near some running water as well. I just remind myself to try and soak up the sounds/visuals.

But usually, I'm thinking about how my legs hurt, I'm hot, I'm only 3 minutes in and this already sucks etc.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 04:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm sorry noob here

When you are running, do you always listen to music? Where does your mind go?

I was just thinking about this, as I have been progressing to longer runs. I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?


Where do you run? If the answer is treadmill then there is no way to make it enjoyable.
I dont run with music but I will usually have a song stuck in my head and then start making up different lyrics for it.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
I say just run till you need to walk, then start up again when you get your wind back. The run segments will quickly get longer, walk segments shorter.
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Since Ive started running, I'm doing 3:00 run, 2:00 walk x 4, with a 4:00 cool down at the end. My question is, how long should I keep doing this same cycle? Stick with this for 2 weeks, and then go to 4:00 run, 2:00 walk, or something else altogether? What are your thoughts?


What Mommy said. I'd make distance targets before time targets too. Then the next run, try and beat it. Not every run needs to be a world beater, but you do need to push yourself once in a while.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/12 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So yesterdays post I was on cloud 9 from a fantastic run.


Tonight was a lesson in running on tired legs....and as usual it was a whole different experience.
Did 10 miles at a 7:37 pace, which overall I'm happy with on the heels of the 11 miles last night....but goddamn my legs were like lead weights.


Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/12 08:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm sorry noob here

When you are running, do you always listen to music? Where does your mind go?

I was just thinking about this, as I have been progressing to longer runs. I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?


Where do you run? If the answer is treadmill then there is no way to make it enjoyable.
I dont run with music but I will usually have a song stuck in my head and then start making up different lyrics for it.


I run outside. I HATE the treadmill

I was actually doing that yesterday too! We did 4 seperate runs, increasing distance, with 2 minutes rest between each - so we would have to stop into the gym and post times - each time I ended up grabbing the song playing in the gym and carrying that same damn one in my head over each leg of the run


Trucks
(Post Master)
05/10/12 09:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have been running regularly since February, and yesterday I reached the 10 mile milestone for the first time. Before February, the farthest I had ever run was 4 miles like one time. Feeling pretty proud of myself, albeit sore.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/12 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Trucks
I have been running regularly since February, and yesterday I reached the 10 mile milestone for the first time. Before February, the farthest I had ever run was 4 miles like one time. Feeling pretty proud of myself, albeit sore.


Great job man. That 10 mile mark really is a mental milestone.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/12 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

7:37 with lead legs is still good mr sexy

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/12 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Going for a 10K today. Legs are a bit tired from squats/bike ride yesterday and it's windy as shit today, but I'm curious as to how I'll do. I typically go 7-8.5K and do sprints, but I don't feel like sprinting today.

Trucks
(Post Master)
05/10/12 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
 Originally Posted By: Trucks
I have been running regularly since February, and yesterday I reached the 10 mile milestone for the first time. Before February, the farthest I had ever run was 4 miles like one time. Feeling pretty proud of myself, albeit sore.


Great job man. That 10 mile mark really is a mental milestone.


Thanks, man! Definitely is.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/12 09:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6 miles last night pushing the stroller/dog and then a nice hard 15 miles today. I'm at 43 for the week and I plan on doing another 10 tomorrow.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/12 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
6 miles last night pushing the stroller/dog and then a nice hard 15 miles today. I'm at 43 for the week and I plan on doing another 10 tomorrow.


I always felt like a beast when I do 50-60 mile weeks, then you realize there are guys doing 200 miles a week.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/12 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
6 miles last night pushing the stroller/dog and then a nice hard 15 miles today. I'm at 43 for the week and I plan on doing another 10 tomorrow.


I always felt like a beast when I do 50-60 mile weeks, then you realize there are guys doing 200 miles a week.


lol, I know. I've been listening to ultrarunnerpodcasts on my mp3 player during runs lately, and to hear guys like Geoff Roes say they did an easy 120 mile week with 10,000feet of vertical just makes me shake my head. I've had one 200 mile month in my running career.

It does feel good to put in some heavy mileage and have the body cooperate...even feel great afterwards.

My goal is to really make this upcoming marathon feel easy.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/12 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
6 miles last night pushing the stroller/dog and then a nice hard 15 miles today. I'm at 43 for the week and I plan on doing another 10 tomorrow.


I always felt like a beast when I do 50-60 mile weeks, then you realize there are guys doing 200 miles a week.


lol, I know. I've been listening to ultrarunnerpodcasts on my mp3 player during runs lately, and to hear guys like Geoff Roes say they did an easy 120 mile week with 10,000feet of vertical just makes me shake my head. I've had one 200 mile month in my running career.

It does feel good to put in some heavy mileage and have the body cooperate...even feel great afterwards.

My goal is to really make this upcoming marathon feel easy.


If it feels easy you didnt go hard enough!!

Oh...got some new trail rubber.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/12 03:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been wanting those shoes just based on how they look, lol. Can't justify buying them right now though as there isn't many trails in my immediate future.

I told my wife last night that next year I may skip Ironman races and focus on ultras. Way Too Cool 50k and AR50 are the ones I know I want to do.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/12 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm sorry noob here

When you are running, do you always listen to music? Where does your mind go?

I was just thinking about this, as I have been progressing to longer runs. I have been trying my best to focus on feeling good and enjoying the run, my legs, bla bla. But a lot of the time I'm kind of thinking about random stupid things, like my nose is getting snotty or my baby toe is feeling smooshed.

Any thoughts on what I should be focusing on?


This goes for the bike and for the 1 little 3.5 mile weekly (road) run:

I listen to music--especially when I run. I'd go nuts if I didn't. Not quite as important on the bike, for some reason.

Once I get through the first portion of the run (the "I can't do this today/I feel like shit/this sucks" part before I find my groove), I just settle in and I let my mind wander. Of course, I pay attention to my surroundings, but generally, this is my time to just think about stuff.

I guess "enjoy the ride" is my best advice. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/12 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Time to knock out some hills in the new kicks today!



98V-TeC
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/12 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't run, but I do cardio.

Just picked these up so I thought I'd share.

RG3 kicks nigga!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/12 04:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Time to knock out some hills in the new kicks today!



jealous!


137
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/12 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC
I don't run, but I do cardio.

Just picked these up so I thought I'd share.

RG3 kicks nigga!


Let me know how you like them, because my toes were killing on my little bullshit 6.5 mile jam today.


Trucks
(Post Master)
05/18/12 10:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went for my second 10 miler tonight and ended up doing 13. It's amazing, especially coming from the perspective of a guy who not too long ago used to struggle to run 2 or 3 miles, how after you hit a certain point it becomes easier to tack on miles. Around the 4-5 mile point I get into a zone and just start cruising. I previously couldn't imagine myself ever doing a marathon, but now that I'm halfway there it's certainly not out of the question someday. I love it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/18/12 11:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man...I know exactly how you feel. I was just talking to a friend tonight about how much I love this point in my running where a 10 miler feels like a 5 miler did a year ago. I can go out and do 3 days of 10 or 11 mile runs and never feel tired. Fitness is an awesome thing.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/12 01:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^ so jealous. Cannot wait until I can start training for my 1/2 marathon at Disney in September-November.

Trucks
(Post Master)
05/20/12 10:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Congrats man...I know exactly how you feel. I was just talking to a friend tonight about how much I love this point in my running where a 10 miler feels like a 5 miler did a year ago. I can go out and do 3 days of 10 or 11 mile runs and never feel tired. Fitness is an awesome thing.


That's awesome. You're a beast.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
05/20/12 03:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got back to 5 miles On Sunday, no foot pain. I'll just keep plugging away. I can definitely see doing a 1/2 again this autumn.

My pace was not rocketing. Mid 8s. ugh
it'll be a while before I start thinking of sub 21 minute 5ks again..


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/22/12 05:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just snagged some new shoes.





2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/22/12 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Asics Gel Kayano 18. Im currently running on the 14's.

98V-TeC
(Post Master Supreme)
05/22/12 09:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 137
 Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC
I don't run, but I do cardio.

Just picked these up so I thought I'd share.

RG3 kicks nigga!


Let me know how you like them, because my toes were killing on my little bullshit 6.5 mile jam today.


Ran and worked for the first time today. The shoes are dope, great purchase.

Like all the reviews say, perfect combination of light weight and support.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
05/26/12 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Accidentally ended up doing a 10k, furthest I've gone in nearly a year
I knew about a trail run, and was going to the "short" option of 6-ish k, but my friend convinced me(triathletes are crazy). So i'm finally breakin 10k on a trail run, brilliant, and... in the dark.
It was an awesome race, I had to 'trot' a few of the uphill portions, and my time was probably 30 minutes slower than a normal 10k. 400m, of vert will do that though, and it was a muddy mtn bike trail in the dark not getting hurt and having fun was the major priority.

The fact that it was offroad means my feet don't feel bad at all.
My knees and hips are a bit sore from the uneven steps(especially in the dark).

It was a blast to do, great views, got some great "zoning" when you can only focus on 30ft at a time. Pretty awesome running through a cloud on top of a mtn and not seeing anyone else for a good 2 minutes, but also good running companionship when we ran together.

Still feeling awesome, but man my quads or sore. Doing deep squats the day before surely helped. Time for some R&R.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/27/12 06:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran the Cleveland Half Marathon last weekend. I didn't get the time I was shooting for, but with the heat I was fairly happy. I originally wanted to finish around 1:25:xx but ended up with 1:35:xx. I got hot really quick, and people were dropping all over. I kept a pretty good pace once I got around the beginning group.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/180740947


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 08:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a great time period, let alone for it being this late in the year! And that's a fun looking route. Congrats!

Consider turning on automatic mile splits on your watch - the instantaneous pace is too noisy to be useful but the mile splits are nice for seeing where you might have sagged.

Edit: and while I'm giving out unsolicited Garmin advice, I always paste my line from the race results into the comments field, it helps me because I can go back and see what my official time was, especially helpful if I forgot to hit Stop.


Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 12:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What do you guys do in this heat?!

OMG! I can only do early am runs on Sundays, so it's generally evening when I can get one in....but even then, the temperature has been between 90 and 100 degrees. By the time it's decently cooled down it's around midnight (and I've long gone to sleep)

Do you actually run in the stiffy heat? Is there something I can do to make it easier/less deathly? Or is it just a case of sucking it up and getting used to it?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
That's a great time period, let alone for it being this late in the year! And that's a fun looking route. Congrats!

Consider turning on automatic mile splits on your watch - the instantaneous pace is too noisy to be useful but the mile splits are nice for seeing where you might have sagged.

Edit: and while I'm giving out unsolicited Garmin advice, I always paste my line from the race results into the comments field, it helps me because I can go back and see what my official time was, especially helpful if I forgot to hit Stop.



Yeah....Mikes time was fantastic. You guys are making me sweat a bit....I'm gonna have to go out and set a new 1/2 mary PR to keep my time safe. \:D

I love having 4 view fields on my 910xt. It's great having both current and average pace ready at a glance. Sure instant isn't really that accurate, but it's still good for getting a general idea.

I love having 4 view fields on my 910xt. It's great having both current and average pace ready at a glance. Sure instant isn't really that accurate, but it's still good for getting a general idea.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
What do you guys do in this heat?!

OMG! I can only do early am runs on Sundays, so it's generally evening when I can get one in....but even then, the temperature has been between 90 and 100 degrees. By the time it's decently cooled down it's around midnight (and I've long gone to sleep)

Do you actually run in the stiffy heat? Is there something I can do to make it easier/less deathly? Or is it just a case of sucking it up and getting used to it?


As a crossfitter you should be familiar with HTFU! \:D The heat isn't going to hurt you as long as you're smart. Wear sunscreen, visor, sunglasses, and hydrate accordingly.


Me, I'm begging for some epically hot days over the next two months. I'll be doing my next Ironman in fucking Louisville....historically near 100 on race day with an equal level of humidity. I plan on having ice down my shorts the entire run.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

When is your race? Come up to Cincinnati afterwards and we'll have some beers.

Dahlia
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
 Originally Posted By: Dahlia
What do you guys do in this heat?!

OMG! I can only do early am runs on Sundays, so it's generally evening when I can get one in....but even then, the temperature has been between 90 and 100 degrees. By the time it's decently cooled down it's around midnight (and I've long gone to sleep)

Do you actually run in the stiffy heat? Is there something I can do to make it easier/less deathly? Or is it just a case of sucking it up and getting used to it?


As a crossfitter you should be familiar with HTFU! \:D The heat isn't going to hurt you as long as you're smart. Wear sunscreen, visor, sunglasses, and hydrate accordingly.


Me, I'm begging for some epically hot days over the next two months. I'll be doing my next Ironman in fucking Louisville....historically near 100 on race day with an equal level of humidity. I plan on having ice down my shorts the entire run.




I guess I will have to get my head into it more. Running is a deeply mental things for me. I have been super fantastic at telling myself that I can't do it \:\/


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
When is your race? Come up to Cincinnati afterwards and we'll have some beers.


August 26th, but you'll have to come to me. Flying in with my brother and two other guys the friday before and other than taking a cab to the hotel downtown, we're walking or riding our bikes till we leave monday morning.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ride up to Cincy then!

Seriously though, Ill keep that in mind. L'ville is only 1.5 hours from me and I might be down to make a quick weekend of it and catch a Louisville Bats baseball game as well. \:\)

-Matt


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The finish line of an Ironman is a party everyone should experience.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had a horrible run yesterday, was supposed to do one more 20 miler before my trail marathon in 2 weeks.
Ended up doing 17 and called it quits because my legs were toast and I didnt want to fuck anything up.
I had done 27 in the 3 days prior including some hills, but I felt pretty good.
Fuck.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 05:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I hate those days. You'd think by now I'd be used to them and know its a good sign that I've been getting some great mileage in, but it's still a lame feeling. \:\(

I did 8 on Sunday an hour after having a hamburger, hotdog and all the BBQ fixins and felt like I was floating the whole way. I had taken two day off prior to that and didnt bike either. Rest can be a beautiful thing.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
I hate those days. You'd think by now I'd be used to them and know its a good sign that I've been getting some great mileage in, but it's still a lame feeling. \:\(

I did 8 on Sunday an hour after having a hamburger, hotdog and all the BBQ fixins and felt like I was floating the whole way. I had taken two day off prior to that and didnt bike either. Rest can be a beautiful thing.


I would have shit myself if I ran after eating all that.
But ya...you're right, I keep telling myself, get a good taper in and I'll be good.
It was kind of cool to go out and run 17 miles and feel like shit the whole time and still average sub 8 min pace.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran tonight for 11:30 without stopping. Then walked for 3:00 and ran back home. Total of 17:14 for 2.07 miles. Getting there!

-Matt


Nephilim
(Post Master Sr)
05/29/12 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have to wait atleast 1.5 hours before Ill even attempt to run if eat anythign heavy. Nothing like burping up BBQ for 10+ miles

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/12 10:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I normally train on an empty stomach, but I really wanted to get one more run in for the week. Amazingly everything stayed put with nary a belch.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/12 06:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What's up with the ads in after the first post in the fitness forum? Sucks.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/12 06:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
What's up with the ads in after the first post in the fitness forum? Sucks.
Adblock plus FTW. Nice.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/01/12 10:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran for 16:45 straight tonight over 1.75 miles. Ill take it. I got in a really nice groove for a few minutes, too. Hope to keep that up and get up to a 5k before too long.

-Matt


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/12 06:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Ran for 16:45 straight tonight over 1.75 miles. Ill take it. I got in a really nice groove for a few minutes, too. Hope to keep that up and get up to a 5k before too long.

-Matt


Those grooves get longer and longer, stick with it cause its worth it.

Heres todays run.



2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/12 08:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

12.5 miles? Whoa. lol


In other news, Im getting a pretty consistent pain on the inside of my left leg. Hurts to put weight on it the day after I run. During runs it hurts initially, but goes away after about 3-5 minutes. It's not a shin splint I don't think as I'm VERY accustomed to those. Any one had any idea what could be going on?


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/12 09:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
12.5 miles? Whoa. lol


In other news, Im getting a pretty consistent pain on the inside of my left leg. Hurts to put weight on it the day after I run. During runs it hurts initially, but goes away after about 3-5 minutes. It's not a shin splint I don't think as I'm VERY accustomed to those. Any one had any idea what could be going on?
Halp!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/12 04:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
12.5 miles? Whoa. lol


In other news, Im getting a pretty consistent pain on the inside of my left leg. Hurts to put weight on it the day after I run. During runs it hurts initially, but goes away after about 3-5 minutes. It's not a shin splint I don't think as I'm VERY accustomed to those. Any one had any idea what could be going on?
Halp!


Is it tender to the touch? I get that sort of pain on the inside part of my shin sometimes.
Probably not the answer you're looking for but I just ignore it and its never gotten any worse.
Alot of people will say listen to your body and shit but your body can be a little bitch sometimes.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/12 05:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't have any diagnosis, but when I'd get something nagging, I'd give it a day or two to rest, then repeat the workout and a lot of the time, it tended to get better.

2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/12 05:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea, I usually run through it...just wanted to make sure it isn't a red flag to you guys.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/12 08:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Listen to your body, adjust/rest as required.

As for me, I've been trying for over a year to get my trail bike ride under an hour. 61 minutes over and over. I push, I push and 61 minutes. The last 3-4 times, it was windy and I was pushing it only to be closer to 62. Today, the wind wasn't too bad. I never thought I'd get under an hour, but I even broke 59. Never stood on it so much. So nice not fighting the wind like mad. I'm spent.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/12 04:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well this isnt the email I wanted to receive.

 Quote:
I cannot thoroughly enough explain my sorrow and regret at having to cancel the upcoming Skyline to the Sea races. The following was just posted to PCTR’s Facebook page:
I am beyond sorry to announce that I am forced to close the doors at PCTR, effective immediately. As many of you know, I have dealt with some very difficult obstacles these past few years which have taken their toll, in many ways, on me and on PCTR. Although they were exacerbated at the end of last year, I truly believed that PCTR could be turned around through the influx of money, the hard work of a few of us, and the support of my friends, but it just wasn’t to be. As a business, PCTR can no longer function.

I know that many runners/entrants will be upset with this decision, but please try to keep in mind that, for each of you, this is a race in your life, but for me, for over 12 years, this has been my life. Moving forward, I am hopeful that other RDs who are friends of mine will take over the upcoming events, and that those of you who have already planned to run will still be able to do so. Thank you for your understanding.
I do know that for some of you, this was a goal race, and for others, a destination race. For others, a first ultra or a first marathon. I hope you know that if anything could have been done by me or anyone else to prevent this, it would have been done.

I have been a part of the trail/ultra community for over 20 years, and PCTR has been hosting events for 12. Thank you for your support all that time, for allowing us to advise you, teach you and learn from you, share your accomplishments, help you reach your goals, and share hugs with you as crossed the PCTR finish lines all those years.

I wish each of you continued successes out on the trails.


\:\(


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/12 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sucks. \:\(

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/12 09:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bummer. Sucks they cancelled so close to race day.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/12 11:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Bummer. Sucks they cancelled so close to race day.


I know, crazy.
Oh well...found a half that same day. \:D


slackereg6
(Member)
06/09/12 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 5k this morning in 23:10. Happy with that and looking forward to running a few more later in the year to drop that number a little.

**DONOTDELETE**
()
06/09/12 11:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I did a 12km trail race. Let say my time was about what I would expect for 12 miles on-road. Slow. It was a pretty tough race for sure. Thick mud, lots of climbing, then a bush-walk at the summit, and then back down the muddy track. About 20% of the finishers had blood on them, all of us were mud from the knees down.

Over-all I happy to have done it. I'd forgotten about this 4-race trail series until 2 weeks ago when I did the night run. It's been great having building my running network through my friend. One of the guys I rode with won the 16km run today, and took second on last weeks' 10km last(49minutes for a trail-run on a mtn bike trail in the dark, tells you how hard it was if that's a winning time).


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/12 11:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Did a 5k this morning in 23:10. Happy with that and looking forward to running a few more later in the year to drop that number a little.


That's a fast time IMO.


Silock
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/12 12:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my mile relay race this afternoon.

1.1 mile time was 5:30. Pretty good, IMO. Not the fastest. The fastest was 5:18 something.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/11/12 12:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I knocked out a 1:33:27 half.
I was expecting a little faster but still not bad, I never tapered so I dont know if that affected me, I felt really strong during the race though.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/11/12 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great time man!

(my time is still safe,lol)


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/11/12 01:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow. That's absurd.

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
06/16/12 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Used to run XC and track and NEVER had a problem with nipple chafing until today's run. It seriously feels like someone took razor blades to them. WTF?



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/12 02:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For me: lose shirt/singlet plus water plus anything over 10 miles=nipple chaffing.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/12 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ok, just signed up for lake tahoe marathon on sept 30th.
time to kick up the training.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/12 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
ok, just signed up for lake tahoe marathon on sept 30th.
time to kick up the training.


Awesome. I'm thinking of making my BQ attempt at CIM in December.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/12 09:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been wearing Asics for many years now, and am looking to try some minimalist running shoes. Anyone try the Asics Blur 33s? Also looking at the New Balance Minimus. If anyone has any personal experience with these (not the vibram toe shoes), please chime in. Thanks

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
06/19/12 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Charweeeeeeee
I've been wearing Asics for many years now, and am looking to try some minimalist running shoes. Anyone try the Asics Blur 33s? Also looking at the New Balance Minimus. If anyone has any personal experience with these (not the vibram toe shoes), please chime in. Thanks



Try the Out There forum


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/12 09:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

IHATEYOU.

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
06/19/12 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Charweeeeeeee
IHATEYOU.


Haha.

I tried the NB Minimus road and they were ok. I have a habit of trying to do too much, too soon when I go minimal and I end up hurting myself a couple months into it. They weren't horrible, but they aren't my favorite either.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/12 09:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: TexasCamaroSS
 Originally Posted By: Charweeeeeeee
I've been wearing Asics for many years now, and am looking to try some minimalist running shoes. Anyone try the Asics Blur 33s? Also looking at the New Balance Minimus. If anyone has any personal experience with these (not the vibram toe shoes), please chime in. Thanks



Try the Out There forum
OMG Bwahahahahaha


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/12 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So decided to try some yasso 800's last night.
If you dont know it is 800m intervals ran at your marathon goal pace, so if you want to do a 3:15 marathon you try and run your 800's in 3:15, pretty simple.
Well my probably way to lofty goal for my next marathon is under 3:05 for BQ, so 3:05 800's for my workout.
I went out for my first 800 at what felt like a comfortable pace and ended up doing it in 2:55, next one was exactly the same.
Next two were 2:57 and 2:58 and the final two were 3:02 and 2:59, for a total of 6x800 at an average of about 2:58.
Think I'm gonna make these part of my weekly work and work up to 10x800.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/12 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like the sound of that workout.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/24/12 11:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love this run!


Only did 37 miles this week but did some good speedwork and hills, so I feel good about it.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/12 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

for those of you who run 10+ miles...

is it hard for you to find a route to run or is it easy in your area

just mapped out a run for my first ten miler of this program that i am on and holy fuck, just visioning it (what the elevation changes are since i drive that route alot) was painfl.

first 1.5miles = slow gradual downhill
2.8 miles = rolling gradual uphill with a few areas that are flat and then continuing uphill
1.2 miles = downhill to turn around point


follow the route back home from the turn around point


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/12 12:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Easy. Almost all of my runs are variations on the same loop. If its a shorter run, I turn early...longer I turn later. I also switch up the direction as it changes the number of hills, wind, etc.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/12 11:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm pretty lucky that I live about a half mile from an awesome trail thats a good 10+ miles long.
I drive about 15 minutes to an open space preserve to do my hill runs.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/12 12:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wooo....just finished a 9 mile run at a 7:13 pace a few hours after doing 40 miles on the bike. Hot damn I'm sweating like a grease monkey!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/12 05:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Mom (prude)
Wooo....just finished a 9 mile run at a 7:13 pace a few hours after doing 40 miles on the bike. Hot damn I'm sweating like a grease monkey!




My wife has the kids trained to tell me how stinky and gross I am when I get back from a run, they wont come near me.


TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
07/07/12 10:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my first ever 10 mile training run in 1:32:55. I'm 5 weeks into a 10 week plan for next month's Hottest Half in Dallas (my first organized event in 18 years). Started out strong this morning and faded hard at the 8.5 mile point. I tried gels for the first time during the run and I honestly think they helped. Last week I ran 8 miles in 1:25 without them, so today was a pleasant surprise.

My goal was originally just to finish next month's half, but I'm thinking of tweaking it to trying to break 2 hours. We'll see...it's obviously going to depend on how hot it is.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/12 11:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ok, so I haven't been running in this heat. Im all for 95* and a run, but 110-115* heat index with high humidity? Nope.

bt0
(Post Master Sr)
07/08/12 01:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Ok, so I haven't been running in this heat. Im all for 95* and a run, but 110-115* heat index with high humidity? Nope.
Find a shaded route & it feels like over 10 degrees off what the stated temp is


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/08/12 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: bt0
 Originally Posted By: 2000CivicStud
Ok, so I haven't been running in this heat. Im all for 95* and a run, but 110-115* heat index with high humidity? Nope.
Find a shaded route & it feels like over 10 degrees off what the stated temp is
I need to work on running in the morning first thing. Im just NOT a morning person. That said, weather is in the mid 80's here all week, so Ill get some good mileage in. \:\)

_Matt


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
07/09/12 08:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went out yesterday morning and did my longest run to date. 4.9 miles in 47 minutes. Wholly shit was it hot. I got a late start, about 10 and it was already probably 95 degrees. Ridiculous! I felt great though. I've been doing 2-3 mile runs at night so it was good to see that I can do a longer distance and still be ok.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/09/12 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterdays run, felt super strong on the hills.



Arma
(Post Master)
07/11/12 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I haven't worked out at the gym in about 2 months and just now going to get back in it. Cardio wise, is there a huge benefit in doing treadmill over elliptical? Do you lose a lot more fat from running over elliptical or other forms of cardio? Apologies if this was asked before.

Ionfyst
(Post Master Sr)
07/11/12 12:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Yesterdays run, felt super strong on the hills.



What program is that? I'd love to have something similar for riding my bike.

 Originally Posted By: Arma
I haven't worked out at the gym in about 2 months and just now going to get back in it. Cardio wise, is there a huge benefit in doing treadmill over elliptical? Do you lose a lot more fat from running over elliptical or other forms of cardio? Apologies if this was asked before.


I'm not sure what your goal is but in my experience the elliptical never really prepares me for actual running. You're also supposed to put the incline up to at least one on a treadmill to simulate running outside.

Of course, if you're just looking to lose weight then I have no idea.. \:D


Arma
(Post Master)
07/11/12 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am not really preparing for anything just trying to lean out. My routine is weight lifting 4-5 days a week with 40 minutes of elliptical after every work out. At leased this is how I did it before. I intake about 1250-1500 calories daily. 5'7 177lbs, would like to get down to 160ish.

I start the elliptical at incline 8 and resistance 8, then at the 10min mark I would increase the incline by 1 and resistance by 2. I do this at every 10min mark. So from 30min to 40min I am at incline 11 and resistance 14. Just concerned that the cardio might be too much or other cardio routines might be better for what I want.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
07/11/12 07:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome run tonight. 14 minutes straight, met my wife at the park for 7 minute walk, and then ran 8 minutes home. Easily could have ran for a bit longer. Beautiful weather in Cincy tonight, too.

2.6 Miles.

-Matt


Sabotagebx
(Post Master Sr)
07/11/12 09:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Arma
I haven't worked out at the gym in about 2 months and just now going to get back in it. Cardio wise, is there a huge benefit in doing treadmill over elliptical? Do you lose a lot more fat from running over elliptical or other forms of cardio? Apologies if this was asked before.


I cant tell you which is better but Ive lost a ton of weight using the elliptical over the past few months. I only started running once I lost enough weight so it would be easier on my already bad knees so if thats a problem I'd go with the elliptical


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/11/12 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ionfyst
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Yesterdays run, felt super strong on the hills.



What program is that? I'd love to have something similar for riding my bike.

 Originally Posted By: Arma
I haven't worked out at the gym in about 2 months and just now going to get back in it. Cardio wise, is there a huge benefit in doing treadmill over elliptical? Do you lose a lot more fat from running over elliptical or other forms of cardio? Apologies if this was asked before.


I'm not sure what your goal is but in my experience the elliptical never really prepares me for actual running. You're also supposed to put the incline up to at least one on a treadmill to simulate running outside.

Of course, if you're just looking to lose weight then I have no idea.. \:D


Garmin connect.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/12 10:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hot damn I'm beat. Started with 90 minutes on the bike, then ran 2.5 to the pool, swam 2000 yards, then ran the 2.5 home.

slackereg6
(Member)
07/20/12 04:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody using a fuel/water belt. I just picked up a single bottle because I just can't handle the 85-95 heat at night and am hoping it will help on 5+ mile runs.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/12 05:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I typically don't run longer than an hour, so I bring nothing. But when it got to 95 here, I brought a bottle of Gatorade (the light one) with me and just ran with it in my hand. After halfway, it was empty so I ditched it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/12 12:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just plan my route to hit a few water fountains on my long runs. My wife loves her handheld single bottle though.

Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/12 10:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yesterday's splits


1 8:33 -- 8'33"/mi
2 17:05 - 0:01 (0%) 8'32"/mi
3 25:37 + 0:00 (0%) 8'32"/mi
4 34:12 + 0:03 (-1%) 8'35"/mi
5 42:48 + 0:01 (-1%) 8'36"/mi
6 51:40 + 0:16 (-4%) 8'52"/mi
7 1:00:48 + 0:16 (-4%) 9'08"/mi
8 1:09:59 + 0:03 (-1%) 9'11"/mi
9 1:19:32 + 0:22 (-4%) 9'33"/mi
10 1:33:07 + 4:02 (-43%) 13'35"/mi
11 1:42:33 - 4:09 (30%) 9'26"/mi


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/12 04:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got caught in pouring rain today. Soaked, head to toe. Glad I decided to leave my phone at home.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/12 11:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last minute 5k this morning, did it in 20:28 with the jogger.

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
08/01/12 07:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Anybody using a fuel/water belt. I just picked up a single bottle because I just can't handle the 85-95 heat at night and am hoping it will help on 5+ mile runs.


I use the 2 bottle fuel belt on my runs over an hour. It's also got the pouch which is nice for carrying gels. If you had a smaller phone, it might fit in there, but I don't think anything the size of an iPhone will.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/12 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In my last week before I start my taper for Ironman Louisville.

RedACR
(Post Master Sr)
08/01/12 04:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: TexasCamaroSS
 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Anybody using a fuel/water belt. I just picked up a single bottle because I just can't handle the 85-95 heat at night and am hoping it will help on 5+ mile runs.


I use the 2 bottle fuel belt on my runs over an hour. It's also got the pouch which is nice for carrying gels. If you had a smaller phone, it might fit in there, but I don't think anything the size of an iPhone will.


i just bought a 2liter hydration back pack
its awesome too. holds my phone, keys and doesnt move at all.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
08/01/12 07:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: RedACR
 Originally Posted By: TexasCamaroSS
 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Anybody using a fuel/water belt. I just picked up a single bottle because I just can't handle the 85-95 heat at night and am hoping it will help on 5+ mile runs.


I use the 2 bottle fuel belt on my runs over an hour. It's also got the pouch which is nice for carrying gels. If you had a smaller phone, it might fit in there, but I don't think anything the size of an iPhone will.


i just bought a 2liter hydration back pack
its awesome too. holds my phone, keys and doesnt move at all.


Link to what you bought??


RedACR
(Post Master Sr)
08/01/12 09:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

here

It was cheap and its actually awesome. Did a ten mile run with it
and it stayed put. Ive tried some waist bands but they annoy me with
the weight of the water bouncing around. Ill be running close to 12 miles with it
on friday and having that water is a big big help.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 07:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been running 3 miles a day, sometimes a little less depending on how I feel, sometimes a little more...my shins are a wreck. I cannot figure out what is going on in my stride to give me these terrible shin splints.

I've tried going slow (10:00 pace) for the first half mile to warm up, but my shins are killing me by then, so I have to walk a bit, then I kick the pace up to 7:30 min/mile until my shins are dead, then I walk etc. What ticks me off is I'm not tired at the end of a 3 mile run. It's my shins that are the limiting factor.

I'm going to meet with the owner of Track Shack next week and see what he has to say. I had my gf take a video last night of me jogging at the end of our run...she didn't zoom on my feet, so I'll have her take it again and see what the hell is going on. I don't heel strike, I run on the balls of my feet. I have tried supported shoes, down to the minimalist shoes I currently wear. I'm bowlegged, which I cannot correct.

Not sure if this is a rest or run through it sort of deal right now as shin splints are something I've had a problem with my entire life.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 08:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

completed a life goal this morning thst i wanted to complete before my birthday at the end of the month.

i ran for a distance of 13.11 miles(.01 farther than a half-marathonn)

here's the splits:
1
*Fastest
8:29 -- 8'29"/mi
2
17:07 + 0:09 (-2%) 8'38"/mi
3
25:51 + 0:06 (-2%) 8'44"/mi
4
34:38 + 0:03 (-1%) 8'47"/mi
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Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not too shabby for first time, although you were kind of falling apart at the end - maybe from going out too hard. 2:06 is what I did my first half marathon in.

I just signed up for my first full marathon in January


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 10:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah, i did begin to fall apart after the halfway point.

i want to get better though. i was scheduled to do my hm distance the week of the 24th but when i ran this morning, i wanted to push for 12 instead of 11. when i got to the 6m marker(turn around point), i said effit and kept going for .05 more before turning around.

i see what people mean about it being more mental when you get up that high


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 12:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats awesome man!
My advice...
Your first mile should never be your fastest.
I would calculate your average pace for that run and for your next run go out like 15 seconds slower than that pace and slowly increase your pace till you finish like 15 seconds below your average pace.
Just my .02


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/12 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Duc. Now sign up for a race!

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
08/12/12 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran my first half marathon today and finished!

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/209793094

Temps at the finish were 87 degrees and I still managed to run it in 2 hours 13 mins.

Started out strong (for me) running just under 9 min miles until mile 5 and felt great.

At mile 8, started leaning more towards 10 min miles and was starting to struggle.

From mile 10 on, I kept telling myself "All you've got is a 5k left"...and myself kept telling myself to shut the hell up because this sucks.

Alternated running/walking for that last 3 miles, but I finished, so I'm pumped! Next race is the Dallas half in December, so I get a couple weeks of rest before I start this all over again.


Duc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/12 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/12 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job!

TexasCamaroSS
(Major Member)
08/12/12 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys! I debated the 24 hrs leading up to it whether to wear headphones or not. Decided literally at the last minute to go ahead and wear them since I wore them all during training. I think it helped take my mind off the suck for a bit. Took them out the last mile to hear the crowd cheering. What an awesome feeling!

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/15/12 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haven't been running regularly but need to start since I signed up for a marathon in January.

Ran 5.6 miles yesterday. Per my Garmin app, average overall pace was 9:58/mile and average moving pace was 9:38/mile, i.e. after dropping out the pauses for water and traffic.

Not bragworthy, but I'll take it since I was pushing a jogging stroller the entire time. Need to run and get a baseline pace without the stroller sometime soon to see where I am.


DaBears
(Post Master Sr)
08/15/12 07:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/12 03:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrayCrayCrayCrayCray
Haven't been running regularly but need to start since I signed up for a marathon in January.

Ran 5.6 miles yesterday. Per my Garmin app, average overall pace was 9:58/mile and average moving pace was 9:38/mile, i.e. after dropping out the pauses for water and traffic.

Not bragworthy, but I'll take it since I was pushing a jogging stroller the entire time. Need to run and get a baseline pace without the stroller sometime soon to see where I am.


I did all of my runs (well my midweek runs anyways) last year prior to Ironman AZ with the jogging stroller. It actually helped quite a bit, because when I actually got to run without it, my effort was the same but I went a full minute per mile faster. \:D


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/12 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: motorboated sun of a bitch
 Originally Posted By: CrayCrayCrayCrayCray
Haven't been running regularly but need to start since I signed up for a marathon in January.

Ran 5.6 miles yesterday. Per my Garmin app, average overall pace was 9:58/mile and average moving pace was 9:38/mile, i.e. after dropping out the pauses for water and traffic.

Not bragworthy, but I'll take it since I was pushing a jogging stroller the entire time. Need to run and get a baseline pace without the stroller sometime soon to see where I am.


I did all of my runs (well my midweek runs anyways) last year prior to Ironman AZ with the jogging stroller. It actually helped quite a bit, because when I actually got to run without it, my effort was the same but I went a full minute per mile faster. \:D

Yeah, I figure it slows me anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds per mile. And at my best last year I could do 5 miles in the 8:15/mile range. I don't think I am horribly far off from that.

I'm not crazy about what it does to my mechanics, but I think I'm getting used to it.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
08/17/12 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm really contemplating running the disney marathon in January. I've never done a half marathon let alone a full, but I really think I want to and can do it. I've been running 3 miles tuesday & thursday and 5-6 miles on saturday for roughly a month or more and I really think by January I could get there.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/12 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You could, but you're going to have to run a lot more often than 3 days a week if you want to finish ahead of the old lady brigade and the Purple Menace. \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/12 11:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dont know why I thought it would be a good idea to sign up for a half on a monday following a weekend of camping and drinking.
There also 1000 ft of elevation gain, not going to be setting any PR's.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/03/12 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That course was no joke.



It was a small race, about 200 people doing the 1/2 and 100 doing a 5 miler.
Ended up 10th overall and 3rd in my age group.
I'm not sure what my exact time was as I forgot to stop my watch when I finished, I was toast. But it was around 1:37.

My bling!



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/03/12 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. That's a really solid time based on that elevation gain.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/11/12 04:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone else get in a funk with your running routes?
I've been so unmotivated lately because I'm burnt out on all my usual routes and I havent had time to get onto the trails. \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/11/12 10:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A little bit, especially after coming back from Louisville. I'm going to focus on some shorter races, so I'll be keeping the long runs to a minimum (9 will probably be my longest for awhile) and I'm hoping that will change my perspective a bit.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/11/12 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm often in a funk. I just keep at it. Wish I could say it was fun.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
09/12/12 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

besides a sprint running is boring as hell.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 02:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love running. I look forward to my runs every single day.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 02:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's a bit different when you're trying to squeeze it in with a full time job.

When I have time off, my runs are much more enjoyable, since I get more rest and run when I feel like running, instead of when I can fit it into my day.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have to find the time and fit my runs in just like people with "real" jobs. 90% of the time I do them at the end of the day after the family has been fed, homework is done, etc. Maybe that's why I enjoy them so much...it's really the only alone time I get.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm the same, usually get out around 8:30 or 9pm unless I manage to wake up at 5am for a morning run.
Only problem with running at night is I am wired afterwards and cant fall asleep till like 1am.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 06:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I get in a funk period during marathon training (well I mean I don't mean to make it sound like I do it on the regular, once last year, once this year). It turns it into a fucking job.

Hey ampsman, I just came from sorta your neck of the woods, Cupertino. I was only there for a day but a little google maps scanning showed there are some cool looking trails for sure. Lots of green spaces everywhere, lot of elevation though!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 11:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bay area is pretty much trail running mecca in California. Only rival would be the Sierra foothill areas. I'm seriously jealous. Decent trails are at least a half hour drive for me.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/12 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
I get in a funk period during marathon training (well I mean I don't mean to make it sound like I do it on the regular, once last year, once this year). It turns it into a fucking job.

Hey ampsman, I just came from sorta your neck of the woods, Cupertino. I was only there for a day but a little google maps scanning showed there are some cool looking trails for sure. Lots of green spaces everywhere, lot of elevation though!


Rancho san Antonio in cupertino is one of my favorite spots.
Hit me up if you're out here again and ill take you out there.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
09/14/12 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks! This was a demo so if we make the sale I'll be taking you up on that when I go back out for the delivery

Chadbrochills
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/12 02:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looking for some help...

I'm 5'7" 173lbs and want to loose some weight. Would like to get down to around 150-155lbs, in 2008 when I moved here I weighed 135lbs lol. My GF and I started walking/running a figure eight that's behind her apartment complex that totals almost a mile.

I haven't run in years. The first few times we did it, we'd walk at a good pace then run for a little and just kept doing this. My shins were killing me. We went to Fit2Run and got some actual running shoes, which are fucking amazing btw.

My shins still hurt a little after getting new shoes. We'll stretch before and after but my damn shins keep hurting. Will this go away after a while? Any advice, suggestions, etc??

I really want to get rid of this beer belly. \:\(


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/12 02:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It will go away. I used to get it all the time, now nothing. Just give it some time to recover in between runs (and mix up some bike rides or something).

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/12 02:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: BMP GLI
Looking for some help...

I'm 5'7" 173lbs and want to loose some weight. Would like to get down to around 150-155lbs, in 2008 when I moved here I weighed 135lbs lol. My GF and I started walking/running a figure eight that's behind her apartment complex that totals almost a mile.

I haven't run in years. The first few times we did it, we'd walk at a good pace then run for a little and just kept doing this. My shins were killing me. We went to Fit2Run and got some actual running shoes, which are fucking amazing btw.

My shins still hurt a little after getting new shoes. We'll stretch before and after but my damn shins keep hurting. Will this go away after a while? Any advice, suggestions, etc??

I really want to get rid of this beer belly. \:\(

#1 cause of shin pain in new runners...heel strike/bad form. Make sure you have proper running form and you should not have any pain while running. (You will feel sore and tired, but not pain)


Chadbrochills
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/12 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
 Originally Posted By: BMP GLI
Looking for some help...

I'm 5'7" 173lbs and want to loose some weight. Would like to get down to around 150-155lbs, in 2008 when I moved here I weighed 135lbs lol. My GF and I started walking/running a figure eight that's behind her apartment complex that totals almost a mile.

I haven't run in years. The first few times we did it, we'd walk at a good pace then run for a little and just kept doing this. My shins were killing me. We went to Fit2Run and got some actual running shoes, which are fucking amazing btw.

My shins still hurt a little after getting new shoes. We'll stretch before and after but my damn shins keep hurting. Will this go away after a while? Any advice, suggestions, etc??

I really want to get rid of this beer belly. \:\(

#1 cause of shin pain in new runners...heel strike/bad form. Make sure you have proper running form and you should not have any pain while running. (You will feel sore and tired, but not pain)


Yeah, that's what I thought was wrong until we went to Fit2Run and they analyzed my stride or whatever. They guy said I had a good gait and didn't favor my heels or balls of my feet while running. He told my gf, who does heel strike a bit, to try to land more on the balls of her feet. I tried that but it seemed a little hard to do.

Is there an easy way to avoid heel strike?


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/12 04:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Check out the New Balance good form running videos. It's kinda a crash course in how to adopt a quick and easy form while running.

http://www.newbalance.com/Good-Form---What-Is-Good-Form/good_form_what_is_good_form,default,pg.html

Did they analyze your stride on a treadmill? Running on a treadmill is different than running on the road.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/12 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: BMP GLI
Looking for some help...

I'm 5'7" 173lbs and want to loose some weight. Would like to get down to around 150-155lbs, in 2008 when I moved here I weighed 135lbs lol. My GF and I started walking/running a figure eight that's behind her apartment complex that totals almost a mile.

I am 5'5" and let my weight creep up from ~155 to ~195. I lost it in about 40 weeks of running and heavy calorie restriction.

Two things:
* Running is great but it's NO SUBSTITUTE for calorie restriction. For a guy like me, if I go run 3 miles and then come back and have a couple of Sam Adams, I just undid the whole run, calorie wise.

* Starting to run hurts your shins especially if you're a little heavier. This is a fact of life IMO. It took me about 30 or 40 miles to run through it (2 or 3 weeks the way I was going at first) and then one day I just ran through it, like when your nose is stuffed up and it just clears. Never came back although you'll always have some minor aches and pains coming and going.

The walk/run is a great way to get going. Try to run slower than you think you should and soon you'll be running the whole time.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/12 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So what do you fuckers have coming up?
I have the rock n roll half on Sunday.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/12 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hockey Season started last night. I felt awesome. I was flying since I was in the best shape out of anyone there. I must have dropped 10 lbs of water though (I play in a very warm rink and it's a solid 90 minutes of play with minimal subs.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/12 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another sprint distance Tri in 2 weeks, then the local Turkey Trot on thanksgiving. Still debating on whether or not to do the California International Marathon in December. Beyond that I'm going to try and get into the Way Too Cool 50k trail race in NorCal (it has a lottery) in March.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/12 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Another sprint distance Tri in 2 weeks, then the local Turkey Trot on thanksgiving. Still debating on whether or not to do the California International Marathon in December. Beyond that I'm going to try and get into the Way Too Cool 50k trail race in NorCal (it has a lottery) in March.


Nice! I am going to get in on that lottery also.
Also, just signed up for a 25k trail run at Stinson Beach on Oct 27.
Also thinking about road tripping and doing one in the Santa Monica mountains on Nov 18th.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/12 10:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Which one? I might be interested.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Which one? I might be interested.


http://www.pctrailruns.com/event.aspx?dtid=9948


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hmmm...

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
So what do you fuckers have coming up?
I have the rock n roll half on Sunday.

rock and roll full first saturday in November in Savannah. They put on a really good race last year, looking forward to it this year.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Hmmm...


Im doing the 30k.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Hmmm...


Im doing the 30k.


Yeah..that's what I would do too. Seeing if the wife wants to do it with me, if not Ill see you there. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/12 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Hmmm...


Im doing the 30k.


Yeah..that's what I would do too. Seeing if the wife wants to do it with me, if not Ill see you there. \:D


My hotel is booked and registration is paid.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 12:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, she passed out before I could talk her into it. I have a feeling it'll be just me. Pretty excited though.
I was just reading a blog post about PCT events and all the problems they had last year. Was that Santa Cruz run you were supposed to do one of them?


Mick in SD
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Starting to train for super spartan so yesterday I did the prescribed WOD. Run 1 mile do 30 burpees and repeat. I did 4 miles with 15 burpees (loloutofshape) each time in 39:11. It's a baseline that I'll use to improve upon.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 11:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Lol, she passed out before I could talk her into it. I have a feeling it'll be just me. Pretty excited though.
I was just reading a blog post about PCT events and all the problems they had last year. Was that Santa Cruz run you were supposed to do one of them?


Its under new ownership and its supposedly being run alot better now.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Check out the New Balance good form running videos. It's kinda a crash course in how to adopt a quick and easy form while running.

http://www.newbalance.com/Good-Form---What-Is-Good-Form/good_form_what_is_good_form,default,pg.html



That was very helpful/informative.

It's hard for me to grasp how to change how my feet strike the ground.

I'm gonna try running again soon.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Check out the New Balance good form running videos. It's kinda a crash course in how to adopt a quick and easy form while running.

http://www.newbalance.com/Good-Form---What-Is-Good-Form/good_form_what_is_good_form,default,pg.html



That was very helpful/informative.

It's hard for me to grasp how to change how my feet strike the ground.

I'm gonna try running again soon.


One thing that I try to think about if I feel like my form is getting off is to feel like I'm falling forward, running is all about momentum and specifically forward momentum. Any time your heel hits the ground or your feet get out in front of your body you are essentially putting on the brakes. Just my two cents.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 06:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That might explain why I'm such a slow runner (11 minute mile \:\( )

On one hand, it seems like a massive strain on calves/shin to do a toe strike, but on the other hand, I can jump rope for 30 minutes without any issues and that's all toe strike.

I guess I have to work my way through it.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/12 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Think of running as propelling yourself forward. Your calves are the spring, so your heels will very quickly and lightly touch the ground. You aren't running on your toes, that is a sprint. You are thinking of stabbing the ground with your toes, which is the same (braking) as a heel strike.

Your feet hitting the ground is just a consequence of your running motion. Your hips are pulling your knee up as your calves are propelling your foot off the ground. It's a circular motion and your foot is landing directly under your center of gravity as it strikes the ground.

Another good image to think about is a horse pawing the ground. That's kinda the motion you need to think about as you run.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/12 12:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Lol, she passed out before I could talk her into it. I have a feeling it'll be just me. Pretty excited though.
I was just reading a blog post about PCT events and all the problems they had last year. Was that Santa Cruz run you were supposed to do one of them?


Its under new ownership and its supposedly being run alot better now.


Signed up! The wife declined.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/12 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Going for a 30 minute run, followed by 1500 stairs. Would rather skip \:\)

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/12 06:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a brick this afternoon/evening for the first time.

A hilly 15.19 mile loop in my singlespeed in 59:18 followed by a 2.60 mile run in 27:38, which was a 10:38 min/mile--which is decently quick for me--especially after a bike ride.

I only walked a little bit and I felt great the whole time. Quads got pretty fatigued toward the end because hills on the singlespeed are a pretty massive quad workout. I really focused on a mid-foot strike. I noticed that I went faster with the toe strike, but that's still pretty tricky.

VERY stoked to have done this, though.

Since I can swim laps in a pool for an hour without much effort, a sprint triathlon is now well within reach (I'm looking your way Mr. Mom). \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/12 06:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

:woot:

Trucks
(Post Master)
10/05/12 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 13.1 miles for the first time tonight. 2 hours 3 minutes (9:25). The last mile was killer. I am proud and sore. Not getting off the couch anytime soon.

vwkaferman
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/12 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran with 4 other coworkers around Lady Bird lake here in Austin. That's a nice place to run, plenty of "scenery". Did my usual 3 miles, ran as much as I could, walked when I couldn't. Had put $20 in my flip phone so it wouldn't fall out when I got my phone out of my pocket. Went to take a picture to send to the girl, had forgot about the $20. Lady Bird lake ate it haha.

James


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/12 09:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the rock n roll half today...had some pain last week on the outside of my right foot and kinda ran thru it and then took it super easy this week.
Felt good this morning and was cruising with the 1:30 group until like mile 8 and my foot started barking.
Made it thru but can barely walk now...gonna give it a couple days and hopefully be good to go.
Ended up with 1:32:25, wanted 1:30 but oh well.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/12 10:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

OMFG. I still have RIDICULOUS leg muscle aches from Friday's run. Went away for the weekend. Today's aches were WAY worse than yesterday's. Hopefully they lessen a bit overnight.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/12 01:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Ran the rock n roll half today...had some pain last week on the outside of my right foot and kinda ran thru it and then took it super easy this week.
Felt good this morning and was cruising with the 1:30 group until like mile 8 and my foot started barking.
Made it thru but can barely walk now...gonna give it a couple days and hopefully be good to go.
Ended up with 1:32:25, wanted 1:30 but oh well.


Solid race buddy. My 1:30 totally kicked my ass and I had no injuries...so you were flying for sure.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/12 11:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a shorter, more sluggish, but satisfying brick today.

8.38 mile singlespeed bike romp in 34:06 and a 2.53 mile run in 27:59 (slow 11:03 min/mile).

My legs felt like lead during the run and we'll see how the aches are tomorrow morning. I'm thinking they won't be nearly as bad.


JackiesCivic
(Post Master Sr)
10/10/12 08:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for posting the tips to get through shin splints. I'm going to try them out.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/12 12:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got some trails in today.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/12 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hit 45 miles for this past week, which included three 10.5 milers. Time is coming back down as well, so I'm happy. 15/15 for this month so far.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/12 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another shorty brick today.

8.58 mile bike, 2.49 mile run/walk. Legs weren't feeling it today. Knees were feeling quite a bit of impact and stamina was weak. Recovery was great, though. Breathing got back to normal after about 30 seconds of walking.

My knees are a bit sore at the moment. That said, a nice 1:05 of cardio, so it was a decent burn. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/18/12 11:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Hit 45 miles for this past week, which included three 10.5 milers. Time is coming back down as well, so I'm happy. 15/15 for this month so far.


Nice!
I just noticed that I passed 1000 miles for the year, 1018 to be exact.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/18/12 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Hit 45 miles for this past week, which included three 10.5 milers. Time is coming back down as well, so I'm happy. 15/15 for this month so far.


Nice!
I just noticed that I passed 1000 miles for the year, 1018 to be exact.



1203.3 for me! I've been adding in a bunch of hill work the last week or so. Feel good, and hopefully it will help next month.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/12 02:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Speed is coming back! 10.5 miles tonight at a 6:53 pace.

Ampsman in Extremis
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10/22/12 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Speed is coming back! 10.5 miles tonight at a 6:53 pace.


Thats awesome man! I ran 12 on sunday and felt like I had never ran in my life, legs felt like lead, my foot hurt. Fuck.
Hoping I just had a bad day.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/12 08:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, I was having a couple weeks worth of those runs....so I'm pretty excited that I'm starting to feel quick again. Just signed up for another sprint tri (this one a reverse) for the 4th of November.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/12 12:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gad. My knees were tender after last Monday's run. Soreness in the joints. It went away for the most part, but came back in full force 1/8 mile into today's run. They still hurt a decent amount now.

It definitely feels like it's in the joint (as opposed to behind the cap). The whole time, I was trying to do a mid-foot strike (I'm still baffled by the toe strike).

Really bums me out, because the cardio end of it isn't an issue at all. The impact is fucking my world up. \:\(


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/12 12:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Knees still aching from Monday's run. WTF?! \:\(

I want to run--especially since now I have the sprint tri thing in my head. I just don't get why it has to hurt.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/12 04:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats just the way it goes. Unless you're rail thin, most people suffer aches and pains when they take up running...the joints just arent used to the pounding. I'd suggest getting out there and powering through it. Im sure you'll know if it's something more serious than aches and pains, so listen to your body.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/12 12:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I'm playing it by ear. This is a new type of pain, so it caught me off guard. I have a feeling it'll come back almost immediately next time I run. We'll see.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/12 01:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, just had to get my run in for the day to keep on track with my month long streak. Wife is out of town, so I loaded the baby in the jogger, tied the dogs leash on and put the older kids on their bikes. Made it through the 5 miles, but I'm sure we looked like a damn circus parade rolling through town.

Good news...streak intact (actually 28 runs in 27 days) and 47 miles for the week so far.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/12 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kind of excited. While not really a sponsorship, the owner of a local tri shop that I love hooked me up with a huge discount on a new tri kit.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/12 09:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sexy butt aside, that's pretty sweet.

I've gotten a few kits from doing the MS150--nice little fringe benefit for raising money. Decent stuff, too--VO2 Max.

What do tri shorts usually run? I have a feeling I'll need to snag some next year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/12 12:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You can get cheaper pairs in the $40 range....then they go up from there.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 10:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Garmin users, you can connect with people on Connect now - should be fun to see what my fellow CSI'ers are up to? I'm 'ftmftm'.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I need to upload all my event runs. Did a 7 mile trail run in Morro Canyon here in Orange County. Curious to see what the elevation was. There were a few killer climbs.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Going for a 2700' vertical hike tomorrow. I will not be running \:\) Total distance is in the 4.5 mile range.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 05:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ampsman should be happy with me that I've finally got out on the trail. Had a fantastic time. I ran here a couple years ago, but was nowhere near in the shape I am now. Time goes by at a completely different speed on the trail compared to the road.

Took the wifes handheld water bottle which worked great.





Oh, and I have these being delivered tomorrow:


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 06:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice run! I'm jello of those shoes. \:\( So much better than my green ones.
Heres my trail run from last weekend.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/12 09:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang...you were movin!

I was expecting my quads to be sore after this morning, but /im feeling fine.


micah
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11/04/12 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3:17:57 in Savannah yesterday, nearly 30 minutes faster than last year. I credit it to faster training, more miles, and taking more water and calories during the race. Still kind of fell off pace but it was at mile 22. Around mile 24 I went into my shuffle. The cliche is really, really true - the marathon starts at mile 20.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/12 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy fuck dude...great race! I bet you've got a BQ in your sights now!

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/12 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man! I was going to stick to one marathon a year but maybe it's smarter to just keep doing a long run each weekend since I'm already trained up, then try for a BQ this spring in Myrtle Beach.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/12 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had my own success today. Nabbed 1st place age group and 10th overall in a reverse sprint. Also hit one of my goals for the year, a sub 20:00 5k. The run course was almost a half mile long, but I hit 3.1 at 19:58.

Bike was pretty good...did the 12 miles is 32:00. It had a few hills that zapped some speed, but it was a solid ride.

Swim was 6 lengths of a 25m pool....kind of tough to hit the water already gassed, but it was over quick. \:D


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/12 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work! And I never knew there was a such thing as a reverse sprint. That's wild and seems look a good way to farking drown!!!

Way to sneak under 20 too. Do you think you could go even better in a 5k with nothing after, or did you blow it all out?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/12 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On a flatter course, for sure. I went pretty much all out, but it was a two loop course and there was a good 1/4 mile long hill that you hit twice, and that slowed me down some. Of course there were some downhills that kind of made up for it, but you can't get back that energy expended, you know?

I think if I actually started doing some speed work, I could get pretty close to 19 flat.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/12 10:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

These last few weeks I've been throwing in a couple two a days in there...and I gotta say, I've never felt stronger, healthier or faster.

This morning I ran 6 with the baby and the dog, then this evening I did another 9 and it was like I hadn't ran in days...that's how fresh I felt. Starting to see how the 60-80 mpw the advance marathon plan call for are totally possible.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/12 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Had my own success today. Nabbed 1st place age group and 10th overall in a reverse sprint. Also hit one of my goals for the year, a sub 20:00 5k. The run course was almost a half mile long, but I hit 3.1 at 19:58.

Bike was pretty good...did the 12 miles is 32:00. It had a few hills that zapped some speed, but it was a solid ride.

Swim was 6 lengths of a 25m pool....kind of tough to hit the water already gassed, but it was over quick. \:D


FFFUUUU that sounds tough. Starting out with the swim seems like a much easier effort.

While I like the idea of not having to swim in open water, how the hell did they keep track of laps in the pool and how was it not a clusterfuck of people?

Props for really starting to kick ass in this stuff. Pretty amazing.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/12 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They call it a serpentine swim. Swim one length, duck under the lane line to the next lane, swim back, move to the next lane etc. that's why they do it in reverse...the field is pretty thinned out by then. I only had to pass one guy.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/12 06:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
They call it a serpentine swim. Swim one length, duck under the lane line to the next lane, swim back, move to the next lane etc. that's why they do it in reverse...the field is pretty thinned out by then. I only had to pass one guy.


Sweet. That makes a lot more sense.

FWIW, I ran 3.40 miles today, as I did on Monday. Both felt GREAT. I actually hustled on the last half-mile each day. I'm starting to enjoy running again--WTF?!


I see this as my outdoor cardio over the winter. The bike gets miserable below 45 degrees (even with cold weather gear), but I could see myself running if it's sunny and above freezing. We'll see. I just don't want to lose this level of cardio I have right now. I want to go into Spring strong for cycling.


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/12 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running in the cold is really nice, for me. For me as long as I keep my ears and hands warm I'm good to go, so I have a fleece headband/ear warmer thing and some nike running gloves.

Other than the extremities, colder is better for running as far as I'm concerned! But then again SC cold ain't the same thing as RI cold.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/12 11:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I agree about the cold, gloves and a beanie and I'm good to go...of course where I live cold isnt really that cold I guess.
This mornings run, bring on santa monica!!



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/12 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I expect you to have a cold beer waiting for me when I cross the line. \:D

I was shot down from my trail run this week because of the rain they closed the backcountry. Bummed, but hopefully I'll get a good one in on Tuesday, then taper a bit.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/12 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No way man, we're skipping across the finish line holding hands.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/12 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/12 10:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah


Other than the extremities, colder is better for running as far as I'm concerned! But then again SC cold ain't the same thing as RI cold.


Word to that.

I don't see myself out there below freezing, but we'll see. Also will depend on how clear the sidewalks/shoulders are post-snowstorms. Fucking winters... \:\(


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/12 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Huge PR this morning with a 19:22 \:\) Flattest possible course - a runway. Out, a wide U-turn on a taxiway, and back. Wifey PR'd with around a 24:00 too.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/12 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm assuming that is a 5k? That's fast as fuck.

I think I'd be in the 24 minute range maybe 23 minutes on my best day. When I go for 10k's with some stairs in the middle, I usually run about 25. So yeah, your fast.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/12 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Micah. It sounds like we're very similar in terms of speed and ability. We should go head to head. \:D

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/12 07:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys!

Ironmom, we're similar in terms of speed and ability until we get to the part where you fucking swim and bike a whole shitload of miles before you even start with the part that I consider "the whole event"! Would love to get a run with you next time I'm in your zone, though \:\)

Still, I was really happy with the time. I'm right on the cusp of deciding to really devote a lot more time to it and see what I can really do if I put in a lot of miles and ease off the drinking. Either way, just a great race, cold sunny day, straight course. Enicideme even got in on the action and put in a great time even though he was pushing a stroller and having to stop and fix the baby's gear! He said her blanket briefly blew off and she started crying and folks in front of him were glaring back at him


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/12 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's pretty funny how we set a PR, and all that does is make us want see how much faster we can go.


I'm doing the same 30k trail race that Ampsman is doing tomorrow, then we have the local Turkey Trot on thursday thats totally flat along the beach path. Not sure how recovered I'll be, or if I want to do the 5 or 10k, but I'm hoping to PR either way.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/18/12 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Posted this in OT, figured Id share here:

and Mr. Mom lost. \:\(

Ampsman and myself were both signed up for the Santa Monica Mountains 30k (18.5 miles) trail race this morning. The race starts in La Jolla Canyon, which is just a few miles north of the infamous Neptunes Net (where the diner scene takes place in The Fast and Furious). It's pretty rugged terrain up there. The Pacific on one side, several couple thousand foot peaks on the other.

This was to be my first trail race of any kind, so I went into it with no expectations other than finishing and having a good time on the trails. Ampsman and I introduced ourselves in the parking lot and chatted for a bit before the start. He's an old hand at this, but I was hoping I could hang with him. Turns out the guy is part mountain goat or some shit.

The course was basically a big figure eight. Start with a 3 mile climb clockwise up and around a mountain then 5 miles back around the other side for a total of eight or so miles, then another 10 miles counter clockwise loop of the peak to the south. I spent most of that first climb trying to pass slower runners, which is hard on narrow rocky single track. One you crested the hill though, holy shit what a view. You could see all the way to Santa Barabara to the north and way the hell out to see. It was a little cloudy from the storm we'd just had, but the sun was out and the temps were perfect. I was feeling really good till miles 4 and 5 where we hit this valley that was like the Swamp of Infinite Sorrow. It wasnt deep mud, and the trail was flat, but this stuff just stuck to your shoes and it felt like you were hauling 20 pounds weights on each foot. That was my only low point of the whole race, and luckily it didn't last too long. We had a couple miles of really fun, super technical single track back to the start, an the start of the second half of the course. No sign of Ampsman though. I hit the aid station, filled my handheld water bottle, grabbed a handful of chips and m&m's and started out on the second loop. This one sent you south up a few miles to the top of the next peak, way down into the next canyon (Sycamore Canyon for the locals) then back up to the same peak (via an extremely steep half mile or so climb that was a total bitch) then back down to the finish.
I started that first climb doing a mix l of a run/power hike shuffle that seemed to work. I was watching my pace on my Garmin and ran the numbers and thought I could come in at 3:00 hours if all went well. I had no idea where this would place me in the rankings, but it was a nice even number.
So the climb went pretty well, and the trails were in fantastic shape. Once I hit the top, it was a really long fire road down to the bottom of the canyon. I picked up some good time here, but didn't goe all out for fear of catching a toe and eating shit. On my way towards the turnaround, Ampsman passed me going the other way and we did a totally nohomo hi five. Turns out he was 5 or 6 minutes ahead of me which wasn't as bad as I thought. Got to the bottom where there was an aid station and I field up on flat Coke (shits like rocket fuel) water for my bottle and a handful of pretzels. I was feeling really good nutrition wise, so I just ate what looked tasty.

Started the return leg via a flat dirt road along the base of the canyon, which then turned into a bunch of switchbacks that lead to that bitch of a climb. I basically power hiked it with my hands on my knees, cussing the whole way. Once at the top we joined up with the fire road we'd come down earlier, and it was a decent hike back to the summit. Once I was at the top, I knew we had a little over 2 miles to the finish, and my watch read 2:45 I think, so I decided to go balls out and try to get that 3:00. This was my favorite part of the whole race. It was beautifull sweeping downhill single track with awesome views for the millisecond I could take my eyes off the trail, lol. It was like being on a roller coaster. I was hauling ass...just letting my legs go hoping the rest of my body could keep up. I think I averaged a 6:40 pace for those last 2 miles. Hit the finish line at 3:00:22. \:D

Ampsman was there with his wife and kids...turns out he finished about 8 minutes ahead of me, snagged 4th place overall, and I think won his age group. Turns out I placed third in my 35-39 age group. I was beat to shit, but felt fantastic. For my first trail race, I couldn't be happier.

So yeah...congrats to Ampsman. He officially holds the title as CSi's fastest trail runner. \:D


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/18/12 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice fucking job Micah. I need to get my ass running. I'd love to break 20 on a 5k one day. That's fucking awesome

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/12 06:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone experimented with glycogen depletion runs?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/12 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 15 mile run last night (plan called for a half mary race) and other than it pouring rain the first 3 or so, it felt great. Forced myself to stick to the plan and slow my pace down...so I hovered right around 7:50 miles the whole way. Felt great after finishing, so I know the effort wasnt too much. 48 miles for the week.

9 mile trail race this Sunday which will take the place of the race that it called for yesterday. Hoping I can keep my podium streak going. \:\)


micah
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/12 04:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Nice fucking job Micah. I need to get my ass running. I'd love to break 20 on a 5k one day. That's fucking awesome

Thanks man! I would have to say that if I can do it then anyone can, eventually. I say that because I lost some weight but I'm still not exactly a Kenyan if you know what I mean.



(They had a 1 mile "Kid's fun run" finishing the same time as the fast runners. Plus, the little kids' parents. I don't think that's a great idea and I told them so - very politely, not like I am on CSI - on their FB page.)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/12 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Did a 15 mile run last night (plan called for a half mary race) and other than it pouring rain the first 3 or so, it felt great. Forced myself to stick to the plan and slow my pace down...so I hovered right around 7:50 miles the whole way. Felt great after finishing, so I know the effort wasnt too much. 48 miles for the week.

9 mile trail race this Sunday which will take the place of the race that it called for yesterday. Hoping I can keep my podium streak going. \:\)


Do you do your long runs on the streets? I've started running at night more and the trails by my house are to sketchy to run on at night so I stick to the streets and I fucking hate it, I cant bring myself to do more than like 8.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/12 06:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...actually 99% of my running are on the streets and bike path...and usually after dark. I stay pretty clear of the sketchy areas, but every once in awhile I think...damn, I'm pretty vulnerable out here. Other than my Garmin, I don't think I'm much of a target though.

On my longer runs, I listen to Competitor Radio or Ultrarunner Podcasts to make the time go by. Yesterday they had an interview with Will Farrell that was awesome.

I wish I had trails right out the door, but the place I'm racing on sunday is really the closest, and that's at least a half hour away. At least I'm right next to the ocean so I can get some decent views.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/12 11:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: micah
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Nice fucking job Micah. I need to get my ass running. I'd love to break 20 on a 5k one day. That's fucking awesome

Thanks man! I would have to say that if I can do it then anyone can, eventually. I say that because I lost some weight but I'm still not exactly a Kenyan if you know what I mean.



(They had a 1 mile "Kid's fun run" finishing the same time as the fast runners. Plus, the little kids' parents. I don't think that's a great idea and I told them so - very politely, not like I am on CSI - on their FB page.)


Yeah, that's a BAD idea. I wouldn't want to worry about dodging a bunch of mommies and their McKennas, getting in my way while Dad waits for the perfect FB shot.

The mom looks like Coach Beast from Glee


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/12 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pulled the trigger.



They feel like nothing is on your feet, super light and incredible fit.
The heel/toe drop is the same as the grit so that should feel the same.
Gonna hit the trail this afternoon with them.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/12 06:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Badass.


15k trail race this sunday for me. Then I need to go and do another 10 in the afternoon to hit the 19 miler my plan calls for.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/12 08:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Badass.


15k trail race this sunday for me. Then I need to go and do another 10 in the afternoon to hit the 19 miler my plan calls for.


Damn! Just run the course twice!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/12 09:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just might! I have a feeling Ill be looking forward to a nice flat run after that though.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/12 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, had a great run, but the podium streak came to an end. Covered the 9.45 miles in 1:20. Crazy tough course with some super steep climbs. Ended up 8th/27 I'm my AG, 55/360 overall.Really happy with my race though...felt strong after already putting in 40 miles this week.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/12 09:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Well, had a great run, but the podium streak came to an end. Covered the 9.45 miles in 1:20. Crazy tough course with some super steep climbs. Ended up 8th/27 I'm my AG, 55/360 overall.Really happy with my race though...felt strong after already putting in 40 miles this week.


Nice! Thats a great time.
Did you get another 10 in?
Holy shit, I did 9 on friday with my new shoes...my lower calves were so sore on saturday.
I thought it wouldnt be a big transition coming from the grits but fuck me.
The drop is about the same but there is alot less cushion so it makes you go way fore foot.
They feel incredible.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/12 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went and did 5.5 tonight, just didn't have he energy for more although I felt fine.

I'm doing a 20 miler on Thursday instead of Sunday because well be up in Sacramento this weekend...figured I should rest up a bit. \:D




I find out tomorrow if I got into Way Too Cool 50k.


slackereg6
(Member)
12/10/12 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am at the end of a tapper and my legs feel like shit does this happen to anybody else? They are sore and tight during my runs. Probably need to stretch and stick more.

Marathon try number two is Sunday. Still not sure if I have the endurance for a sub 4 but as long as I can beat the 4:38 I did in May I will be ok with it.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/12 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep....I always feel like shit during taper. \:\(

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/12 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the first of three 20 milers this plan calls for this morning. 7:48 pace and I felt great! I'm feeling good about my chances in Feb.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/12 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Visiting family this weekend in Northern California....went for a 10 mile run this morning and it was 35 degrees! Short sleeves, split shorts and at least a beanie. It was covered in frost when I got back. Hit my goal though, averaged 6:48 pace, which is 15 seconds under marathon goal pace.

slackereg6
(Member)
12/15/12 10:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Race is tomorrow feel like shit. This should be awful.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/12 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Visiting family this weekend in Northern California....went for a 10 mile run this morning and it was 35 degrees! Short sleeves, split shorts and at least a beanie. It was covered in frost when I got back. Hit my goal though, averaged 6:48 pace, which is 15 seconds under marathon goal pace.


Great run man! What part of norcal you in?
I did 15 this morning with 3k of elevation gain, felt really strong.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/12 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My parents live in West Sacramento. It's a pretty new area so there are tons of good, quiet roads to run on.

slackereg6
(Member)
12/16/12 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stopped my watch at 26.3 was a 4:19

They did not route us correctly so most people did .6 extra. This happened at like mile 3 and nobody was happy. Some did 1.5 extra. Sad thing is it is a bq course and they had a ton of screw ups.

My official was 4:29 I walked most of the last .5.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/12 04:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man!

slackereg6
(Member)
12/17/12 07:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks.

I am a little disappointed I did not get an accurate finishing time/distance but whatever. I'm calling it a 4:20.

I just looked at the results I was 39/146 overall and 36/103 for males. Course is flat but the race does not attract fast runners. Temp of 74 and humidity of 50% did not help this year either.

Thinking of doing a half in three months see if maybe I can knock a few off my current best.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/12 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, don't sweat it. No race course is ever completely accurate.

Damn...that was a small race! Did it get lonely out there?


slackereg6
(Member)
12/17/12 10:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

There was also a relay going on with about 70 teams and a HM for the first few miles with 500 people but yeah small race. Didn't see many people towards the end but I don't mind running alone so it was nice. I actually liked it more than the last one I did that had 2500 people plus a bunch of half runners. The larger one I just felt boxed in the entire first half.

The course was correct the one person working a turn just directed everybody wrong. It is more the fault of the race organizers the beginning is just a dumb route. Almost everybody ended up doing just over 27.

Edit Just looked and people are saying one of the turn workers just did not show up so people ran past it and did a loop twice adding about a mile onto the race. Whatever I am sure they will correct that shit next year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/27/12 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know we're all ashamed at how much crap we've been eating the last week or so, but has anybody else been getting some miles in?

I'm in the middle of my peak two weeks of this plan. I've got a 10 mile race pace scheduled for saturday and and a 20 miler for sunday which will make 56 miles for the week.

I'm on track for my very first 200+ mile month.

Did my tempo run tonight:

Mile 1: 7:38
Mile 2: 7:15
Mile 3: 6:58
Mile 4: 6:45
Mile 5: 6:28
Mile 6: 7:43
Mile 7: 7:50


Felt damn good. Mile 5 hurt pretty good, but by the time I was back at the house it was like it had never happened. Those last two easy miles were a great cool down.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/12 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've only had one bad day for eating (X-mas day), but a couple of drinking days. I feel bloated even though I've put in a lot of exercise.

I ran on the 23rd
Woke up early on the 24th and rode the bike, went to work, then did weights before going to dinner.
Ran on the 26th.
Weights and biking on the 27th
Will run again today.

My runs are typically 5-6 miles, but have been in some snow which adds some effort/time to them. Every second run or so, I throw in 4-5 sprints in the 100-150 meter range.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/12 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I feel like I've been struggling to find time to get out, but am still managing to log some miles.
Heres this weeks summary.

Count: 5 Activities
Distance: 49.40 mi
Time: 6:45:26 h:m:s
Elevation Gain: 4,928 ft
Avg Speed: 7.3 mph

Heres yesterday and todays runs.





Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/12 08:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

50 miles in 5 days of running is freakin great.



Just walked in from my 20 miler. Cold and windy weather all along the ocean finishing after dark, but maintained a fairly comfortable 7:28 pace. On the heels of yesterday's 6:48 ten miler I'm really happy.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/12 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bigtime IT band issues 2 days ago, 8" of snow yesterday. No running for awhile.

Did an hour of fast spinning on the mag trainer today--that felt awesome, though \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/12 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn man, youre puttin it down!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/12 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I'm a little freaked out.
I decided to use my HR monitor for the first time, I had gone pretty hard the last 4 days so I went out for an easy 4 miles just to get loose.
I ran at 7:35 pace and was working on my nose breathing and some technique stuff, I was not the slightest bit winded when I finished the run.
My HR monitor showed my avg HR at 208bpm.
I'm guessing something was off with my monitor, right?


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
12/31/12 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Iron mom you are tearing it up. I looked at my distance for the year and figured out I have done 557 miles this year. Probably about 80% of which came starting in August. This is from last years total of maybe 20 miles. Haha. I guess you can say I've got the bug. The past few weeks have been pretty weak because I've been sick, but I did a half on Saturday and 6.6 today. The half was still pretty slow, but I was much better today. I think I'll be able to complete my goal of finishing my first marathon on the 13th in 4 hours or less.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/12 10:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
So I'm a little freaked out.
I decided to use my HR monitor for the first time, I had gone pretty hard the last 4 days so I went out for an easy 4 miles just to get loose.
I ran at 7:35 pace and was working on my nose breathing and some technique stuff, I was not the slightest bit winded when I finished the run.
My HR monitor showed my avg HR at 208bpm.
I'm guessing something was off with my monitor, right?


My heart rate would probably read sky high just from the anxiety of feeling something strapped to me chest.

 Quote:
Iron mom you are tearing it up. I looked at my distance for the year and figured out I have done 557 miles this year. Probably about 80% of which came starting in August. This is from last years total of maybe 20 miles. Haha. I guess you can say I've got the bug. The past few weeks have been pretty weak because I've been sick, but I did a half on Saturday and 6.6 today. The half was still pretty slow, but I was much better today. I think I'll be able to complete my goal of finishing my first marathon on the 13th in 4 hours or less.


Thanks man. THose are some great numbers you've put up yourself. I'm at 1642 miles for the year right now. If the wife gets home from work in the next hour (she's in sales and its the end of the year, quarter, month=late night) I'm heading out on one final run for 2012. I'm sitting at 198 for the month and I want to top the 202.8 from October. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/13 08:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot first of the year and a solid PR on my 7.5 mile tempo run.


7:46
7:15
6:53
6:33
6:15
7:23
7:44
Last 1/2: 7:54

Fastest mile in a tempo before this was a 6:28 at the same distance.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
01/01/13 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. I did 5 this afternoon at a 7:44 pace.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/13 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ok, im a retard. I had the strap on wrong.
I went out last night and did an easy 8 at 7:30 pace, avg was 153 and max was 160 and that was with the last 2 miles at 6:48 pace.
I feel better now.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/13 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Here is 2012's summary:

Count:
202 Activities
Distance:
1,347.38 mi
Time:
172:25:34 h:m:s
Elevation Gain:
58,297 ft
Avg Speed:
7.8 mph
Calories:
160,721 C


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/13 10:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot, new mileage PR for the last week:

64 miles.

Hot shit.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
01/05/13 02:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha, I got 7 miles in for the week!
Next week, maybe I'll go for 8!


Trucks
(Post Master)
01/05/13 09:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran my second race this morning, a 10K in Central Park (first race was 4 miles in December). Finished in 51:01 (8:14), was hoping to break the 8 minute mark but I think all the hills at the north end of the park slowed me down. Last time I ran 6 miles was in October and it took me 53:52 though so I guess I'm doing pretty well.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/13 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man, that's a great time!

Trucks
(Post Master)
01/05/13 11:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks dude

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/13 08:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Woot, new mileage PR for the last week:

64 miles.

Hot shit.


damn dude! nice.
I've done 88 miles in the last 11 days and am feeling ready to ramp up.
I just read jurek's book and am experimenting with some of his smoothies and these energy ball things he makes.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/13 07:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As I posted in the marathin thread.....FML. Started getting some fairly significant knee pain on my easy run on saturday. Bad enough that I've taken the last two days off, and probably the next two as well to see where I stand. From what I can tell, it's where my MCL runs across the anterior part of my kneecap. Kind of like ITB, but on the inside. Hurts during the flexing motion, and feels close to the surface since it hurts if I rub there.

I'm praying to whatever gods there might be to not let this derail my BQ attempt.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/13 08:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FWIW, that's my exact knee pain. I just took almost 2 weeks off and the lingering pain is all gone. Gonna run tomorrow and see if it returns.

A similar pain on the bike 2 years ago was diagnosed as tendonitis after am MRI. I worked through that with ibuprofen and was eventually fine (same knee as the one with the current issues).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/13 10:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just some overuse inflammation...it just sucks because I was feeling invincible lately. I know I can take a week off and not lose any significant fitness, but It's mind fucking me right now anyways.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/13 11:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Side note, you guys like Sweeney? I've got a bit of a thing for her. I hate the fuckin' Biggest Loser but I had a crush on her since the first time I saw her in that soap opera.

http://www.runnersworld.com/celebrity-runners/im-runner-alison-sweeney



... sorry about yr knee Ironmom! Don't overthink it, and for god's sake, stop rubbing it!


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/13 11:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just some overuse inflammation...it just sucks because I was feeling invincible lately. I know I can take a week off and not lose any significant fitness, but It's mind fucking me right now anyways.


Do some daily fast spinning on the trainer (which would require you to get back on the bike). This didn't hinder my recovery at all. I am a bit hesitant to see how things will feel post-run tomorrow, though.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/13 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
As I posted in the marathin thread.....FML. Started getting some fairly significant knee pain on my easy run on saturday. Bad enough that I've taken the last two days off, and probably the next two as well to see where I stand. From what I can tell, it's where my MCL runs across the anterior part of my kneecap. Kind of like ITB, but on the inside. Hurts during the flexing motion, and feels close to the surface since it hurts if I rub there.

I'm praying to whatever gods there might be to not let this derail my BQ attempt.


fuck man...thats my biggest worry is getting over confident and piling on the mileage to fast and getting injured.
im sure you'll be fine though after a couple days off.
i had some aches and pains so I took yesterday off and then did 9 this morning and felt great.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/13 11:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Felt like a beast on today's run after the 2 week layoff. Then 2 miles in, OWEEE!!! OWEEE!!!!

Icepick to the knee and I walked home before doing any damage. Bummed me out, because I felt fantastic. It's the same bullshit now as it was 18 years ago--constant injuries. As much as I want to run, my body just doesn't want to let me run.

I'll go back to the bike and try again in a week or two.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/13 12:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Was able to do 5 tonight and felt just okay. It felt like a lingering soreness as opposed to the sharp pain from two days ago. I'm hoping its just slowly fading and I'll be able to do my last 20 miler on sunday. I need that confidence boost for these next 3 weeks before the race.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/13 11:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still running through this knee issue. Did 7.5 at a 7:22 pace last night, and another 7.5 tempo run peaking at 6:25 tonight. Felt okay....nothing that keeps me from running hard, just a residual soreness.

My ten miler on saturday and 20 miler on sunday will be the true test.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 12:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck. Good luck.

I'm still leery of the pain.

Been doing an hour a day on the trainer lately.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
01/11/13 08:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Still running through this knee issue. Did 7.5 at a 7:22 pace last night, and another 7.5 tempo run peaking at 6:25 tonight. Felt okay....nothing that keeps me from running hard, just a residual soreness.

My ten miler on saturday and 20 miler on sunday will be the true test.

Doesn't look like it's slowing you down much.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 09:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How tight is your IT band Mr. Mom? At this point in the game, I'm sure your running biomechanics are good. So we need to consider a breakdown in your biomechanics at the hip, due to muscle imbalance. Otherwise, you need to consider a chronic inflammatory process.

Anyway. How does your toe look on your affected side while you run? Do you have a noticeable toe out on that side? Would indicate tight IT Band, piriformis and the external rotators. Quad imbalance, coupled with a tight IT Band could lead to a slight lateral deviation of the kneecap, softening of the cartilage under the kneecap and resulting in some noticeable pain.

Just wanted ask some questions and see what you might be able to start working on to address the issue.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow. Awesome info/insight. \:\)

What are some things that can be done to loosen it? I read somewhere that the IT band is like a piece of leather and that stretching it won't do much of anything, but that's just one opinion.

I've found a couple of decent stretches, but are they a waste of time?


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stretching is never a waste of time. Get a marathon stick, or just use a rolling pin if you have one at home. Both will work fine. Get a foam roller or get a large diameter PVC pipe to roll out the legs.

My GF has overly tight external rotators/IT Band on the right and she has chronic knee pain as a result. I'm still trying to get her to stretch and roll out the leg everyday. /sigh


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Stretching is never a waste of time. Get a marathon stick, or just use a rolling pin if you have one at home. Both will work fine. Get a foam roller or get a large diameter PVC pipe to roll out the legs.

My GF has overly tight external rotators/IT Band on the right and she has chronic knee pain as a result. I'm still trying to get her to stretch and roll out the leg everyday. /sigh


I was just looking at foam rollers the other day. Cheapass me is trying to find a deal.

Was looking at different handheld ones and I'm guessing they're more for the side of the thigh and not for the side of the knee (foam roller for that?).

Any links/vids to stretches you like???


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 01:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a foam roller and love it, that bitch makes me hurt so good.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/13 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
How tight is your IT band Mr. Mom? At this point in the game, I'm sure your running biomechanics are good. So we need to consider a breakdown in your biomechanics at the hip, due to muscle imbalance. Otherwise, you need to consider a chronic inflammatory process.

Anyway. How does your toe look on your affected side while you run? Do you have a noticeable toe out on that side? Would indicate tight IT Band, piriformis and the external rotators. Quad imbalance, coupled with a tight IT Band could lead to a slight lateral deviation of the kneecap, softening of the cartilage under the kneecap and resulting in some noticeable pain.

Just wanted ask some questions and see what you might be able to start working on to address the issue.


Nah, it's not my IT band, as I had that two years ago as I was building up my mileage pretty quickly, then did my first Ironman where the run had a couple of big uphills and downhills...the pain from that was something there was no way I was going to run through it. I'd run 2 miles with no pain, then bam...it would fire right back up. I believe I took almost 5 weeks off with zero running before I could start back up. Never had an issue after that.

This pain is on the anterior part of my knee, just to the left of my kneecap. I can pinpoint it with my finger, and its tender to the touch. Based on this image, I'm guessing it's the MCL. It's not inside my knee, and its just that one spot where it goes over the bone.



Like I said above, its definitely getting better....I think it was just my body saying "whoa buddy" to the increased mileage. (it was the day after I finished out that 64 mile week, which was a full 10 miles more than I had ever done before) Currently it just feels like the lingering feeling after you get a bruise or pull something.

I'm a very biomechaniclly sound runner. I run in neutral shoes and have even wear. No pronation and a midfoot strike. Other than that bout of ITB, I haven't had anything sideline my training the last 3 years...and its been a pretty aggressive progression.

I'm 3 weeks out from my big race, so the plan is to get through this last weekend of big training and then follow the taper in my plan...maybe a little more rest than even the taper calls for.

Thanks for the advice!



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/13 04:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got in 20 today with 4000ft elevation gain, my calves feel trashed but other than that felt really good. Third straight week of 50+ miles.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/13 05:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Right on man. I did 10 miles a sub race pace last night at like 8pm and felt pretty damn good, then woke up at 8am this morning and did my 20 miler. It wasn't as great feeling. I'm not used to running in the morning (other than race day), it was cold, I was fatigued, and I was underfueled since I couldn't eat much last night after my run because I was shitting myself.

Still, I did it, and I managed a 7:54 pace, and since my plan calls for me to do these long runs at 30-90 seconds slower than race pace (7:10), I was right on target.

Good news is that all my long runs are done. Here on out its a taper with only a 12 mile long run next sunday with lots of short easy runs till race day on the 3rd.

Oh, and also did my biggest week by .5 miles...55.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/13 05:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and I'm patiently waiting for a report from our two racers today...

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/13 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

trail shoes are getting broken in nicely.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/13 08:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome. Once this damn marathon is outta the way I have a month to get mine nice and dirty on the trails before Way Too Cool.

Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
01/19/13 03:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Way Too Cool
Hate to bring this up but Julie Fingar, Race Director of Way Too Cool said this:

"As I re-entered the world of running, I did so with caution and care. I religiously followed the ten percent rule and incorporated lots of cross training. I followed the Run Less, Run Faster plan, which had me running only three days per week (speed, tempo and long). Sure I wanted to stay healthy, but more than anything I wanted to keep running. It occurred to me that I wanted to continue to run for a very long time…I had visions of myself being one of five in my age group when I was 80 years old. Depends and all. You can’t get there if you’re beating up your body.
And guess what? Only eight months after my stress fracture, I qualified for Boston!!"

Sounds like CFE?

I'm not completely serious or trying to justify anything but ever since people started showing me non CFE training guides I find something similar.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/13 08:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:
When training for an ultramarathon, Ms. Fingar runs about 70 miles a week, far fewer than the 100 miles that many other ultramarathoners log weekly.


She is still putting down lots of miles...just less than many other ultra runners, its all relative.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
01/19/13 10:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rumble
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Way Too Cool
Hate to bring this up but Julie Fingar, Race Director of Way Too Cool said this:

"As I re-entered the world of running, I did so with caution and care. I religiously followed the ten percent rule and incorporated lots of cross training. I followed the Run Less, Run Faster plan, which had me running only three days per week (speed, tempo and long). Sure I wanted to stay healthy, but more than anything I wanted to keep running. It occurred to me that I wanted to continue to run for a very long time…I had visions of myself being one of five in my age group when I was 80 years old. Depends and all. You can’t get there if you’re beating up your body.
And guess what? Only eight months after my stress fracture, I qualified for Boston!!"

Sounds like CFE?

I'm not completely serious or trying to justify anything but ever since people started showing me non CFE training guides I find something similar.


Maybe it does, but when we asked about long runs you said something like "volume isn't our priority". Yet you highlighted the word long. So does CFE do long runs or not?

To me what this person describes sounds like a normal running program to me. Many programs actually follow the 3 quality runs a week mantra. I've never ran more than 3x a week(though I may when I got for an ultra this year).

And how does your CFE folow the 10% rule again? Didn't you struggle to run 3 miles in January and you're "running" 20 in February and doing your full within 12 weeks of you starting training.

keep thinking you won't be miserable after your full


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
01/19/13 04:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Rumble
 Originally Posted By: Ironmom
Way Too Cool
Hate to bring this up but Julie Fingar, Race Director of Way Too Cool said this:

"As I re-entered the world of running, I did so with caution and care. I religiously followed the ten percent rule and incorporated lots of cross training. I followed the Run Less, Run Faster plan, which had me running only three days per week (speed, tempo and long). Sure I wanted to stay healthy, but more than anything I wanted to keep running. It occurred to me that I wanted to continue to run for a very long time…I had visions of myself being one of five in my age group when I was 80 years old. Depends and all. You can’t get there if you’re beating up your body.
And guess what? Only eight months after my stress fracture, I qualified for Boston!!"

Sounds like CFE?

I'm not completely serious or trying to justify anything but ever since people started showing me non CFE training guides I find something similar.


Maybe it does, but when we asked about long runs you said something like "volume isn't our priority". Yet you highlighted the word long. So does CFE do long runs or not?

To me what this person describes sounds like a normal running program to me. Many programs actually follow the 3 quality runs a week mantra. I've never ran more than 3x a week(though I may when I got for an ultra this year).

And how does your CFE folow the 10% rule again? Didn't you struggle to run 3 miles in January and you're "running" 20 in February and doing your full within 12 weeks of you starting training.

keep thinking you won't be miserable after your full
I said CFE concentrates on Technique, Intensity, and then volume. In that order. My CFE group has been doing 10 miles runs already on the weekends. They will add more miles, some actually keep going past 10 miles since a lot of them are seasoned marathoners and triathletes. I started with them but a hurt ankle took me out of running. Also my class is the same time CFE meets for drills.

Point is CFE isn't that different that what this chick is doing.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/13 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dont think that article is saying anything new. It's what lots of runners do after an injury. Build slowly, work on core strength, etc. She's cross training to supplement her running. She might only be doing 3 days a week, but if that's still while she's hitting 70 mpw, that's a ton of miles each of those 3 days. CFE doesn't seem to look at the stuff other than running as cross training, more like the running takes a back seat to the CF stuff.

Not to mention, she has a huge endurance base from years of big mileage.


In the end, people can do what they want to get the results they desire...no skin off my back. I just hate to see somebody hurt themselves due to being undertrained.


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
01/19/13 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know your intentions are good, and if I should listen to someones advice on running here it would be yours. So how about this, if I fail pretty bad, I'll use any method of training you ask me to do after March.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/13 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What're you two disagreeing over?

And on a running/cardio related note: I just got home from three weeks in Asia with only one treadmill run in that time. That's three weeks of bad food, beer and Chinese smog. And I didn't go into that time with a lot of fitness due to a knee injury more or less sidelining me for two months. Anyway, now I have seven weeks of Wisconsin winter in which to get ready for my first race of the season (50 miles). This'll be interesting...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/13 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rumble
I know your intentions are good, and if I should listen to someones advice on running here it would be yours. So how about this, if I fail pretty bad, I'll use any method of training you ask me to do after March.


It's all good man...just lighthearted discussion. \:D



Tomorrow I have my last long run of this marathon plan: 12 miles. Then it's 2 weeks of easy runs and rest days till the 3rd.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/24/13 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Been getting in hill repeats once a week lately, nice little workout.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/24/13 04:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My quads are burning just looking at that! Nice workout.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/13 07:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp...last run of any significance tonight. 10 miles at a 6:59 pace. Just have a couple of 2 and 3 milers this week, then the race on sunday. Feeling pretty good!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/13 11:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! Ill be thinking about you...and yes in a creepy way.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/13 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Off to a good start for january.

YEAR-TO-DATE
Distance 197.8mi
Time 26hr 6m
Elev Gain 16,014ft
Runs 24

Going to try and do a 50k in march and april and then my 50 miler in may.
I did 20 yesterday with 3800 ft elevation and felt good, but it was still hard to fathom doing that again and then an extra 10 after that to make it to 50.
I guess thats what makes it a mental game after a certain point.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
01/28/13 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Welp...last run of any significance tonight. 10 miles at a 6:59 pace. Just have a couple of 2 and 3 milers this week, then the race on sunday. Feeling pretty good!


Crazy fast! Good luck on your BQ.

BTW, What does it take to qualify?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/13 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For me, I have to come in under 3:10. Any amount under that helps though, since it's a rolling registration these days where the faster you qualify, the earlier you get to register. This year though it wasnt a big deal since they had lowered the qualifying times....if you qualified you got in. Last year (before they lowered the times by 5 minutes) it sold out fast and you had to have been a good 3 minutes under qualifying time just to get in.

Sir Ironpool
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01/28/13 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Off to a good start for january.

YEAR-TO-DATE
Distance 197.8mi
Time 26hr 6m
Elev Gain 16,014ft
Runs 24

Going to try and do a 50k in march and april and then my 50 miler in may.
I did 20 yesterday with 3800 ft elevation and felt good, but it was still hard to fathom doing that again and then an extra 10 after that to make it to 50.
I guess thats what makes it a mental game after a certain point.


Nice numbers! I know what you mean about 50 miles seeming impossible. The good thing about me stressing over this marathon is that its making me really look forward to W2C. Even though its 5 miles longer, I know it will be a much more laid back experience.


Sir Ironpool
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01/29/13 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a new PR 18:58 5k training run last night. So much for taking it easy.

slackereg6
(Member)
01/29/13 03:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally running again and tried out the kinvaras. Love the shoes so far on shorter runs. I am still slow but managed a 7:50 pace for 2.5 miles without dying at the end. I am trying to run 6 days a week even if it just a mile or two.

Sir Ironpool
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01/29/13 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's the key IMO. Consistency. Even if they're junk miles, running 6 or 7 days a week gets your body used to running.

2000SiRacer
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01/29/13 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Ran a new PR 18:58 5k training run last night. So much for taking it easy.


Screw tapering, the extra confidence is worth it. Great time


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/13 10:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Ran a new PR 18:58 5k training run last night. So much for taking it easy.


Jesus! That's BLAZING.

I haven't run since 1/8. Fucked the knee thoroughly that day. I'll give it a shot again in a couple of weeks, hopefully.

Good luck w/ the next race. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
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01/31/13 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Ran a new PR 18:58 5k training run last night. So much for taking it easy.


Damn dude...smokin!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/13 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Accidentally did 24 today.
Had a nice 20 planned and took a wrong turn and didnt realize for 2 miles.
Felt good though.


Back 5
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02/02/13 04:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Would you all be so kind as to post up your daily training shoes? If I get the okay to run next week, I think I will want something with a bit more cushion than my NB minimus. I hate running in my Kinvara2's however. They feel way too soft, like my feet sink into the shoes.

I prefer to run sockless and I dislike the heel cushion to come up high enough to rub on my achilles.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/13 05:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Would you all be so kind as to post up your daily training shoes? If I get the okay to run next week, I think I will want something with a bit more cushion than my NB minimus. I hate running in my Kinvara2's however. They feel way too soft, like my feet sink into the shoes.

I prefer to run sockless and I dislike the heel cushion to come up high enough to rub on my achilles.


I would recommend trying out the brooks pure line...low drop, decent cushion and good for running sockless.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/13 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Would you all be so kind as to post up your daily training shoes? If I get the okay to run next week, I think I will want something with a bit more cushion than my NB minimus. I hate running in my Kinvara2's however. They feel way too soft, like my feet sink into the shoes.

I prefer to run sockless and I dislike the heel cushion to come up high enough to rub on my achilles.


I would recommend trying out the brooks pure line...low drop, decent cushion and good for running sockless.

I tried one of their shoes last year...felt like there was a ball under my forefoot and the shoe also felt like my foot was rolling forward...kinda how I envision Shape Ups feeling...like you are rolling forward.


Impulsive
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02/02/13 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone know what to do with an inflamed Achilles? I don't want to stop running. I stretch, ice, wear more cushioned shoes, take a few more rest days, use Voltaren.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/13 03:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well shit...today's marathon was bittersweet. I ran a 3:20, which is a 12 minute PR, but I missed qualifying for Boston by 10 minutes. I suppose missing by that much is better than missing by a minute or something though.

Just wasnt feeling it today, and made a classic mistake of going too hard too early when the 3:10 pacer ran the first 2 miles in 7:30 and 7:49 (we needed to average below a 7:14). After that second mile I decided I needed to make up some time, so I ended up doing miles 4-8 at a sub 7 pace. That came back to haunt me in the later miles.

Oh well, a PR is still a good race in my book...Boston will still be there next time.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/13 10:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Impressive run nonetheless.

I'm surprised the Boston requires that fast of a qualification time. How do a ton of slow people end up making it in there then???


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/13 11:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They reserve a large number of spots for fundraisers, charity slots, inspiring stories, etc.

Thanks for the compliment....it was a solid effort on my part, so I'm happy.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/13 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sucks about Boston but still a kick ass race!
I had that happen in a race before where I thought the pace group was laggin so I kicked it up and ended up getting passed by the pacer later on.
Did you full on bonk? Or just hurtin pretty bad?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/13 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No real bonk, as I ran the whole thing other than walking through 2 aid stations to make sure some of the sports drink actually went in my mouth instead of down my shirt...and aerobically I felt fine too (was never really breathing heavy). It was more just overall feeling of being tired and worn down. I tried going faster, but my body just wouldn't respond. The inner quads started threatening to cramp with about 2 to go...thankfully that never happened!

Pretty sure the fitness was there, just a noob mistake on my part. You know how it is, once you let yourself turn it into a head game...it's only going downhill. At mile 3 I was obsessing over making up the time I needed instead of focusing on turnover and keeping an even pace.


In the end Im pretty happy with my results though.
I probably need 4 or 5 days of recovery, then I'll be hitting the trails as much as I can in the next few weeks. I'm really looking forward to a nice 8-9 minute pace at Way Too Cool. : D



gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/13 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

117 out of 2274 is fucking awesome no matter how you slice it. That's a powerhouse performance. Being in better than the top 10% of the men is just as great.

That fear of cramping is scary. On long, hot rides, I start feeling my hamstrings threatening it and I'm just like FFFFFFFUUUUUUU this is gonna SUCK.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/13 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
No real bonk, as I ran the whole thing other than walking through 2 aid stations to make sure some of the sports drink actually went in my mouth instead of down my shirt...and aerobically I felt fine too (was never really breathing heavy). It was more just overall feeling of being tired and worn down. I tried going faster, but my body just wouldn't respond. The inner quads started threatening to cramp with about 2 to go...thankfully that never happened!

Pretty sure the fitness was there, just a noob mistake on my part. You know how it is, once you let yourself turn it into a head game...it's only going downhill. At mile 3 I was obsessing over making up the time I needed instead of focusing on turnover and keeping an even pace.


In the end Im pretty happy with my results though.
I probably need 4 or 5 days of recovery, then I'll be hitting the trails as much as I can in the next few weeks. I'm really looking forward to a nice 8-9 minute pace at Way Too Cool. : D



Its gonna be so nice being on the trails after all the stress of that race.
Is there alot of elevation at way too cool?

I did my 3rd 20+ trail run of the year on saturday, im fucking addicted.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/13 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn dude...that's impressive! W2C isn't too bad elevation wise, it's about 5000 feet of change. It's mostly in a couple big climbs up and out of the American River Canyon.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/13 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Ran a new PR 18:58 5k training run last night. So much for taking it easy.

YOU FUCKER

 Quote:
Just wasnt feeling it today, and made a classic mistake of going too hard too early

I've been browsing my friend's book "Run Less, Run Faster". The dude harps on getting a good split and says that if your first half is more than two minutes faster than your second half, you're fucked and you're never going to experience a moment of happiness ever again. He backs it up to an extent; I'm going to give it a more thorough read before I try to qualify this fall.

http://www.amazon.com/Runners-World-Less-Faster-Revolutionary/dp/159486649X


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/13 02:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah man....I knew I had to get into that headspace where I was just cruising at a steady pace and to let the miles click off, but once I started thinking that I had time I had to make up...it was a lost cause. All I could do was obsess over the math of what I had to do.

It's all good though. Gonna focus on this 50k next month, then it's back to tris until the Ironman in August....then maybe I'll give it another shot.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/13 08:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sorry you didn't make the qualifying cut...but I have a hard time feeling truly sorry for a 3:20 marathon and a sub-19:00 5K in the same week or two. Especially when you started running/jogging how many years ago? Great work, killer time and I fully expect you to get that 3:10 in the not too distant future.

A good friend of mine just ran the Groundhog Day Marathon in Grand Rapids, MI this past weekend. It was his second marathon in 8 days, there was 6-8" of snow on the ground at the start and it was a 6x loop course so he broke trail the first loop and was passing runners the rest of the day.




(he's not the guy in yellow, I just pulled these photos off a news site)

And he still ran a 2:58 and won himself a hand carved groundhog trophy

He was one of the sub-24hr finishers in our Leadville group this past August too. I should tell more stories about him and his wife because their exploits are incredible. The marathon they ran the weekend before was on trails, with snow and was run start to finish in the dark. He placed second there and his wife placed first. And this summer they're through hiking the CDT, the last of the triple crown for them. These guys are really living the dream, IMO.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/13 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. I routinely run in snow (both powder and horribly uneven, semi packed trails). My time suffers by about 90 seconds per mile.

He's obviously a fast mofo.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/13 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's all kinds of badass!

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/13 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran for the first time today in 5-6 months. Felt awkward as hell running again and on a treadmill. I could only muster out 1.5 miles in 15.00. I didn't want to push too hard with my knee and surgeries etc, but I still felt kinda tired

Hopefully my recovery and rebound into running is seamless and quick.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/13 10:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well fuck...weird pain below my ankle on the inside of my left foot.
Did some research and it seems like it might be some sort of tendonitis.
I couldnt even run a mile on it this morning. \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 12:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welcome to the world of overuse. \:\(

Hang in there man...you're fit as hell, you'll be over it quickly.


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/11/13 12:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Well fuck...weird pain below my ankle on the inside of my left foot.
Did some research and it seems like it might be some sort of tendonitis.
I couldnt even run a mile on it this morning. \:\(
I have a weird pain below my ankle too. I feel it more when I'm just walking around at work.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 10:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Use a golfball and roll your foot out. Helps a lot with tendonitis, especially if it's related to your fascia. If it's higher into your ankle, trace the alphabet and get a theraband to rehab your inversion/eversion and dorsi/plantar flexion.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impetuous
Anyone know what to do with an inflamed Achilles? I don't want to stop running. I stretch, ice, wear more cushioned shoes, take a few more rest days, use Voltaren.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 10:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impetuous
 Originally Posted By: Impetuous
Anyone know what to do with an inflamed Achilles? I don't want to stop running. I stretch, ice, wear more cushioned shoes, take a few more rest days, use Voltaren.

Unfortunately that's the best Rx man. Tendonitis is nothing to take lightly. I developed patellar tendonitis after my first knee surgery coming back to sport too quickly and it was 100x worse than surgery recovery.

What's your time worth to you? I would wager that taking a month off of running is much greater than potentially being hampered by an injury for 4-6 months if not treated correctly at the beginning.

If you are worried about cardio, biking and swimming will provide a great workout with little to no strain on your achilles.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 11:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Use a golfball and roll your foot out. Helps a lot with tendonitis, especially if it's related to your fascia. If it's higher into your ankle, trace the alphabet and get a theraband to rehab your inversion/eversion and dorsi/plantar flexion.


Thanks for the info, there is a slightly swollen lump right below my ankle and the pain kinda radiates up the inside of my leg a bit.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any weakness on that left side? Specifically standing on your toes or moving your foot inwards? How about pain into the great toe? If the pain isn't in your arch, but along ankle between your "ankle bone" and your achilles, that's a tendon sheath that you could have inflamed.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/13 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Any weakness on that left side? Specifically standing on your toes or moving your foot inwards? How about pain into the great toe? If the pain isn't in your arch, but along ankle between your "ankle bone" and your achilles, that's a tendon sheath that you could have inflamed.


no pain or weakness in toes or arch.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/13 08:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I developed patellar tendonitis after a race in September, so here's my two cents on these types of injuries.

Rest, ice, etc are good for treating the symptoms but do nothing to address the root cause(s). I'm fortunate to have an old family friend who's a chiropractor and works with a lot of local triathletes. I was skeptical about going to a chiropractor, even an old friend like him, but it's made all the difference in the world. He's less about cracking joints and more about diagnosing musculoskeletal imbalances and prescribing routines to correct them. In my case my knee pain was actually coming from weak hips and glutes. Now I do specific stretches, strengthening exercises and targeted fascia stripping and I'm doing much better.

I don't know what to look for in a chiropractor or PT but if your area has a local triathlete/running group that'd probably be a good place to start. These niggling pains we get from running are often caused by easily correctable imbalances in our bodies, so why not address the imbalance instead of just treating the symptom?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/13 09:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hit the trails today at Crystal Cove State Park. BEAUITIFUL day! Not a cloud in the sky, mid 50's, nobody else on the trails. This area has some killer steep climbs, and I felt great on them. Can't wait for this 50k.



Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/13 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran for 30mins for the first time in 4-5 months \:\( On a treadmill nonetheless

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/13 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey...baby steps. Just leave the fucking rugby alone, would ya? \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/13 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hit the trails today at Crystal Cove State Park. BEAUITIFUL day! Not a cloud in the sky, mid 50's, nobody else on the trails. This area has some killer steep climbs, and I felt great on them. Can't wait for this 50k.



Nice run man! I'm fucking jealousy. \:\(
Have an appointment with a sports therapist tomorrow.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/13/13 06:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hey...baby steps. Just leave the fucking rugby alone, would ya? \:D

I just watched the Las Vegas 7s tournament as well as 6 Nations tournament in Europe...I've got the itch again!

No, I'm done...at least until med school. Can't wait to run the 5k Everest Challenge in May though, love that race.

I'm trying not to push hard though. I told my gf I would be upset if I wasn't down to a 20:00 5k by the end of the year


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/13 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I went to the sports therapist yesterday.
My whole ankle was pretty sore/tight/swollen when I went in.
The dude worked the shit out of my whole calf/shin area, basically everywhere but the injured area.
Holy shit that was fucking excruciating, I had some crazy knots and shit all over down there.
He then gave me some exercises to do involving super slow foot/ankle movement.
I walked out of there feeling WAY better, still a little tight but way less sore.
Today the swelling is almost all gone and it feels alot better.
Gonna take it easy today and keep icing/elevating and maybe try to get out this weekend and see how it feels.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/13 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

:woot:

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/13 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
So I went to the sports therapist yesterday.
My whole ankle was pretty sore/tight/swollen when I went in.
The dude worked the shit out of my whole calf/shin area, basically everywhere but the injured area.
Holy shit that was fucking excruciating, I had some crazy knots and shit all over down there.
He then gave me some exercises to do involving super slow foot/ankle movement.
I walked out of there feeling WAY better, still a little tight but way less sore.
Today the swelling is almost all gone and it feels alot better.
Gonna take it easy today and keep icing/elevating and maybe try to get out this weekend and see how it feels.

Do you have a marathon stick? They aren't great for working on ankles, wrists etc because of its size and the need to use 2 hands. I recommend you pick up a gua sha tool or make one yourself out of plexiglass. I bet Mr. Mom could get a decent side business out of it as he has all the fun tools to make this stuff in his garage.

Anyway, with a gua sha tool (you could also use a spoon) and some lotion, you can break down scar tissue in your ankles and work out a lot of the swelling similarly to how the physio did for you.

Something to think about for home remedies.


Trucks
(Post Master)
02/15/13 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just registered for the Brooklyn Half Marathon which will be my first half marathon. It's on May 18. I've run 10-12 miles quite a few times and 13.1 once but the longest I've run in a race is 10k. Pretty excited.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/13 06:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome....I'm jealous.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/13 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I developed patellar tendonitis after a race in September, so here's my two cents on these types of injuries.

Rest, ice, etc are good for treating the symptoms but do nothing to address the root cause(s). I'm fortunate to have an old family friend who's a chiropractor and works with a lot of local triathletes. I was skeptical about going to a chiropractor, even an old friend like him, but it's made all the difference in the world. He's less about cracking joints and more about diagnosing musculoskeletal imbalances and prescribing routines to correct them. In my case my knee pain was actually coming from weak hips and glutes. Now I do specific stretches, strengthening exercises and targeted fascia stripping and I'm doing much better.



Any links to those stretches/exercises???

I haven't run in 6 weeks now (body is back to square one now) and have only ridden my bike trainer for cardio since fucking my knee in early January. It's still sore, so I might not go back to running at all, but any new stretches are welcome.

I'll be back on the road on my bike in another couple of weeks (assuming no new blizzards), but I'd LOVE to run again just so I can try a tri.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/13 05:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did another 9 mile trail run yesterday with a friend of mine. He's a good runner, but is coming off a little break, so we went slower than I would have. Turned out to a great time though...over 2000ft of elevation. I would power up all the hills and wait for him at the top. Ended up being a great workout on an unseasonably warm day (hit almost 80). That makes 3 trail runs and 52 miles 5 total for the week.

3 weeks till race day.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/13 10:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whole week of no running. \:\(
Losing my mind and im driving my wife crazy.
I know I havent lost any fitness in just a week but im still going nuts.
Might need another week off.
I was reading a post by anton about injuries and he said the easiest injury to deal with was his broken leg because he knew there was no option for running when you have a cast on, but when you have a nagging injury you feel like you should still be out there.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/13 06:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I developed patellar tendonitis after a race in September, so here's my two cents on these types of injuries.

Rest, ice, etc are good for treating the symptoms but do nothing to address the root cause(s). I'm fortunate to have an old family friend who's a chiropractor and works with a lot of local triathletes. I was skeptical about going to a chiropractor, even an old friend like him, but it's made all the difference in the world. He's less about cracking joints and more about diagnosing musculoskeletal imbalances and prescribing routines to correct them. In my case my knee pain was actually coming from weak hips and glutes. Now I do specific stretches, strengthening exercises and targeted fascia stripping and I'm doing much better.



Any links to those stretches/exercises???

I haven't run in 6 weeks now (body is back to square one now) and have only ridden my bike trainer for cardio since fucking my knee in early January. It's still sore, so I might not go back to running at all, but any new stretches are welcome.

I'll be back on the road on my bike in another couple of weeks (assuming no new blizzards), but I'd LOVE to run again just so I can try a tri.


I think the underlying causes of patellar tendonitis differ from person to person, so the stretches tailored to my problems wouldn't necessarily help you at all. With that said, my knee problems have been corrected by:

- strengthening hips and glutes by doing deep squats with a band between my knees, pushing out against the band while under load

- stretching uppermost part of my quads

- fascia stripping along the outside of my upper quad and inside of the lower quad (near the affected knee)

- foam rolling both legs

- general core strengthening


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/13 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Whole week of no running. \:\(
Losing my mind and im driving my wife crazy.
I know I havent lost any fitness in just a week but im still going nuts.
Might need another week off.
I was reading a post by anton about injuries and he said the easiest injury to deal with was his broken leg because he knew there was no option for running when you have a cast on, but when you have a nagging injury you feel like you should still be out there.


I know how you feel man....and it sucks big time. All I can say is hang in there.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/13 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: g@mby
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I developed patellar tendonitis after a race in September, so here's my two cents on these types of injuries.

Rest, ice, etc are good for treating the symptoms but do nothing to address the root cause(s). I'm fortunate to have an old family friend who's a chiropractor and works with a lot of local triathletes. I was skeptical about going to a chiropractor, even an old friend like him, but it's made all the difference in the world. He's less about cracking joints and more about diagnosing musculoskeletal imbalances and prescribing routines to correct them. In my case my knee pain was actually coming from weak hips and glutes. Now I do specific stretches, strengthening exercises and targeted fascia stripping and I'm doing much better.



Any links to those stretches/exercises???

I haven't run in 6 weeks now (body is back to square one now) and have only ridden my bike trainer for cardio since fucking my knee in early January. It's still sore, so I might not go back to running at all, but any new stretches are welcome.

I'll be back on the road on my bike in another couple of weeks (assuming no new blizzards), but I'd LOVE to run again just so I can try a tri.


I think the underlying causes of patellar tendonitis differ from person to person, so the stretches tailored to my problems wouldn't necessarily help you at all. With that said, my knee problems have been corrected by:

- strengthening hips and glutes by doing deep squats with a band between my knees, pushing out against the band while under load

- stretching uppermost part of my quads

- fascia stripping along the outside of my upper quad and inside of the lower quad (near the affected knee)

- foam rolling both legs

- general core strengthening


I'll google fascia stripping. I still need to buy a foam roller.

I'll have to try some of this stuff out. It certainly can't hurt.

I don't feel like springing for another doc at the moment. Last time the then-undiagnosed tendonitis flared up (really badly), the $300 co-pay on the MRI turned up tendonitis and "rest and ibuprofen" were my only recommendations. I don't feel like shelling out another $300+ for a sports specialist.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/13 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So my ankle feels way better, little tightness but swelling is gone and it doesnt hurt at all.
I was thinking back and i had rolled my ankle the same place this injury popped up like 2 or 3 weeks prior.
I stopped and walked it off and it felt fine and I never thought twice about it.
Could this have been related to that?


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/13 10:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did an impromptu 5k today. I have no idea if it was exactly a 5k or more or less as I had to rely on my phones gps for the measurements. My calves/achilles was aching by the end so I was glad it was over It's slow, but it's my first run in 6 months, so it's a start. I ran on a trail, Florida so no elevation changes, just uneven terrain so I had to make sure I watched my step.



My legs (more my ankles) felt tired by the end. I attribute this to the heavier/intense leg workout I had on Monday. I am more interested in getting faster than I am in having Diesel legs, so should I lighten up my leg workouts and focus more on my runs?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/13 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone using strava? I have some friends that bike that use it and they turned me on to it, pretty sweet.
I really like the KOM/CR stuff for all the trails I run, adds some nice competition.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/13 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not I, but pretty much everybody else I know does...and they're insane about it.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/13 01:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Not I, but pretty much everybody else I know does...and they're insane about it.


Its kind of addicting, I feel like a douchebag for bragging about runs on facebook but strava is built for bragging and talking shit.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/13 05:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ankle is like 90% I would say, did 7 miles last night and had some on and off tightness during the run.
Good news is taking almost 2 weeks off was pretty good for me I think, tried to go super easy last night and still ran at 7:10 avg. pace.
Decided to sign up for a trail half on saturday with about 2400 ft of elevation.
No better way to see how I'm really feeling.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/13 06:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice man. That's how it was with my knee a few weeks back. It still hurt, but I knew it was still getting better.

Good luck in that race. I did 9 with about 1500ft on the trails today. Feeling quite ready for Cool the Saturday after next. Hoping to get 50-60 miles in this week the taper a bit next week. Driving up by myself on Friday, check in that evening and race in the morning. Staying with my brother, and he's got an awesome hot tub, which I'll probably just sleep in Saturday night.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 10:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

28:30 5k today. I had set my phone (Nike+ app) for a 4-mile course, but I ended up running 9 min miles for the first 2 and decided to slow down for the 3rd in order to finish strong. Decided at 2.5 miles to pick the pace back up to 9 min and just finish. I would have ran a 27 min 5k, but that half mile of slow pacing to rest skewed my time.

Oh well, feels good to be running without pain!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 10:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Snow and ice have kept me indoors for much of the past few weeks here in Wisconsin. The temps have been fine but it's slick enough that the risk isn't worth it for a slip and slide slog in my book.

To keep myself occupied I've been playing around with 30/60 min sessions on the stair mill and treadmill at 15% incline. And it's actually been sort of fun! Or as much fun as I've ever had on a treadmill.

Sample: yesterday I did 1,820' of vert in 30 minutes on the treadmill, then another ~30 min at 7:30 pace and 2% incline before taking in a hot yoga class last night (which damn near killed me, lots of chair poses!) and then woke up this morning and did 3,350' of vert in an hour on the treadmill again. I'm definitely feeling stronger than I expected to so early in the year so I'm optimistic for my race on March 9th if I can finally force myself to do a real taper. I always bollocks it up by getting antsy and running harder than planned every day up through race day


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice man. That's how it was with my knee a few weeks back. It still hurt, but I knew it was still getting better.

Good luck in that race. I did 9 with about 1500ft on the trails today. Feeling quite ready for Cool the Saturday after next. Hoping to get 50-60 miles in this week the taper a bit next week. Driving up by myself on Friday, check in that evening and race in the morning. Staying with my brother, and he's got an awesome hot tub, which I'll probably just sleep in Saturday night.


Good luck man! I'm jealous, was hoping to get in on that race but the wife had already planned a tahoe weekend with some friends.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Snow and ice have kept me indoors for much of the past few weeks here in Wisconsin. The temps have been fine but it's slick enough that the risk isn't worth it for a slip and slide slog in my book.

To keep myself occupied I've been playing around with 30/60 min sessions on the stair mill and treadmill at 15% incline. And it's actually been sort of fun! Or as much fun as I've ever had on a treadmill.

Sample: yesterday I did 1,820' of vert in 30 minutes on the treadmill, then another ~30 min at 7:30 pace and 2% incline before taking in a hot yoga class last night (which damn near killed me, lots of chair poses!) and then woke up this morning and did 3,350' of vert in an hour on the treadmill again. I'm definitely feeling stronger than I expected to so early in the year so I'm optimistic for my race on March 9th if I can finally force myself to do a real taper. I always bollocks it up by getting antsy and running harder than planned every day up through race day


what race do you have coming up?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Land Between the Lakes down in Grand Rivers, KY. I hope to leave with a sweet new buckle to wear to class on Monday



Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 09:00 PM
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How many days a week do you all run? Miles a week?

Sir Ironpool
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02/27/13 10:55 PM
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I run 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Been averaging 50 a week the last few months...40-45 for the year or so before that.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/13 11:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6 days a week and 50-55 until I fucked up my ankle, going to be building back up again slowly now that I'm feeling better.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/13 04:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Okay. I'm starting out slow with 1-2 days a week for 4 weeks. Then I will add a day every few weeks and see how I feel.

Simply running 3.1 twice a week the last two weeks has my calves and soleus feeling sore.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/13 11:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yup...just ease into it man...don't be a hero. \:D

Back 5
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03/02/13 06:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My last 3 5k's I've averaged 9:30 or under a mile. I know it's slow, but at least my time is going down \:\)

slackereg6
(Member)
03/02/13 01:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Took a week off due to a blister on my heel. Last night weather was cool and managed 3 miles avg 7:40.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/13 06:11 PM
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First overall victory! There was like 15 people doing my distance but a win is a win, right!
13 miles and 2800 ft elevation in 1:59:50.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/13 08:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man....that's hella impressive.

Trucks
(Post Master)
03/03/13 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
First overall victory! There was like 15 people doing my distance but a win is a win, right!
13 miles and 2800 ft elevation in 1:59:50.


awesome!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/13 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys, it was awesome being back out after all the ankle issues. Not 100% but better and better every day.
It was just another reminder why trail running is so awesome, perfect weather running thru the santa cruz mountains and hardly anybody else out there.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/13 07:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hit a new mileage PR this week, 61.5.

Feeling ready as I'll ever be for this Saturday!


slackereg6
(Member)
03/04/13 11:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What’s everybody using for watch? My garmin (410 I think) died last night.

Just looked the watch was a 405. I liked the size/weight but the touch bezel sucked the few times I tried to change something mid run.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/13 11:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I use the 910xt for the battery life and swim ability so I can use it in my tri races. My wife has the 210 and I like that one as well...simpler and smaller.

Trucks
(Post Master)
03/05/13 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck this weekend Ironmom!


Lately I've been noticing that when I'm running what feels like a slower pace to me, when I finish and check my time it's faster than I thought. Like I just did an easy five miles earlier and it felt 8:15ish to me, but ended up being 7:50. It's kind of fascinating how my perception of what I'm doing has changed as I've become a more consistent runner. Is this something you guys have experienced or is this just in my head?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/13 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hit a new mileage PR this week, 61.5.

Feeling ready as I'll ever be for this Saturday!



Have fun man! looks like its going to be perfect weather up there.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/13 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...supposed to get rain tomorrow and thursday, but sunshine and low 60's on race day. Should be nice.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/13 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 8.7 miles this weekend. The longest I have ever ran nonstop. My pace was 8:30/mile, which I was somewhat disappointed in I guess. I hoped for around 8:00/mile, but I am pretty hard on myself sometimes so I should just be proud. Anyway, this weekend I am going to up my run to around 10.6 miles.

I picked up some Asics Gel Oracles and they feel really good. Also, this was the first time I have ever run in actually running shorts, which are awesome. I loved freeballing it in those things. I found my old camelpack too, so I used that for my muling needs.

I am surprised to say that I really enjoyed the run, especially the solitariness (correct word usage?) of it. There is a lot of farm roads around here, and I loved just looking at the orchards and open land. I don't know if it was just a "runner's high" but when I came to the finish I didn't feel tired at all. I felt like I could have easily gone a couple more miles.

Anyway, I am just glad I am really getting into this now that summer is approaching. I love running out in the sun early in the morning.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/13 12:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah man.....you have access to some great trails within a pretty short drive, hell...even that dry farmland makes for some good running. \:\)

Glad you're enjoying it.....sounds like you've got the bug. \:D Just make sure you take it easy and take on too much too soon...injuries suck when you really want to run!


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/13 05:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So today I ran 11.6 miles in 1:45. My pace is slowing, but I don't mind too much. I think part of it was because my wife rode her bike next to me the whole time and we just talked, which actually made the run go by pretty fast. I tried eating during the run this time to keep my blood sugar up (rice krispie treat) but it just made me feel heavy, so I am going to try out one of those gel packets.

Next weekend I have a 13.6 mile course planned out, so I am pretty excited for that one.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/13 05:03 PM
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p.s. thanks for the encouragement. I am starting to check the fitness forum more than OT now.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/13 08:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went out for an easy 5k today. I tried to force myself to go slow the first mile so I could speed up the second and third, but I ended up with crazy leg pain after the first mile.

I must have been heel striking the first mile trying to slow myself down. I took my shoes off and walked around for a while until the tightness in my legs went away, tossed the shoes back on and ran a quick 1/2 mile making sure I was landing on my forefoot. Not a bit of tightness at all.

Whew. That was scary though! Felt like my compartment syndrom had come back full force in a single mile.

I guess I should just "run" whenever I go run? I'm assuming trying to slow myself down got my form all jacked up. I just hate my first mile being the quickest and slowing down each mile afterward.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/13 10:05 PM
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Thinking about signing up for this race (50km).

http://www.insidetrail.com/ai1ec_event/marin-ultra-challenge/

However I haven't done any trail running yet so I would need to start soon. Maybe I am jumping the gun here, but I feel like I can build up my mileage pretty quick. After my 11.6 mile yesterday, I am not really even sore today. If I can get to around 25 miles by the end of May, I think I will be in good shape.

Does it sound to optimistic?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/13 10:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats a beautiful spot for a race. All I can say is that you'll really need to build up some base miles. I'm talking a good 2 or 3 months of 40-50 miles a week...with as many of those on trails as possible. My 50k wasn't too difficult, and I'd come off training for a fast marathon and over 100 miles on the trails in the month before the race and it was still very hard past the 20 mile or so mark.

It's definitely doable as long as you are willing to put in the long miles.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/13 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So right now I am running one short run (3-4mi slow pace), one medium run (6mi race pace) and then one long run (going for 13.5 this week, I would like to add ~2miles week). I was just planning on making it so by the time of the race, it would be lined up with my long run. Am I being too naive here? Should I start running a couple extra 6-7 mile runs during the week? 40-50 miles a week just seems like I would be sore all time. Right now i am enjoying be fully mobile with no pain the day after my runs.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/13 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The thing is, you need to train your body to run while its sore and tired. I mean, you could probably go out at your current fitness and walk your way to a finish of a 50k in 8 hours, but to me that is disrespecting the distance. It's a race ya know?

My only advice is...what's the hurry? Why not enter a few shorter trail races and train for those first? There are hundreds of ultras out there now, so you can always sign up for another when you have more training in. I'd just hate to see you get injured by ramping up too quickly, or havea miserable death-march of a race.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/13 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I hear yeah. I do realize that adding mileage per week is not a linear function, it will slowly become harder to increase overall distance on my longer runs.

I guess there isn't a big hurry. I am just so interested now, that I want to give myself a goal before interest fades. I don't have as much interest in a marathon, because like you said the community aspect of it isn't there. You are just running next to a bunch of people for 4 hours. Whereas on most ultras, is seems that the participation is limited and the vibe is much more relaxed in a sense. Plus you get cooler shit for finishing an ultra. I'm not gonna lie, things like a cool belt buckles sway me.

Anyway, I have time to see how my training goes before the deadline. I'll have a better idea of my running limit by then. Thanks again for all of the advice.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 11:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ramping back up my mileage after my injury and going to try and get a 20-22 miler on the trail this weekend for a real test.
My 50k is 5 weeks from saturday and my 50 miler is 3 weeks after that.
I have fallen in love with the pure grit 2, I've been using them for every run...road or trail.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 03:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man! I'm already thinking about trying to squeeze another 50k in before I start my training for Lake Tahoe, lol.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My legs have been getting progressively worse, as in my shins and ankles have been hurting more and more as I get beyond a mile or more.

My gf (she is a xcountry and track coach) is going to come up with a long term running plan that I am not allowed to deviate from. Going to take a week off, let me legs heal up, and I will go back to basics. Running a mile at a time for a couple weeks and slowly adding 1/4 miles.

I was thinking of joining a running group and see if there is anything wrong with my form. She says it looks fine, but something has to be going on for my legs to react this way.

Either that or my body is just not used to running and I have to baby step my way into it.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know you are supposed to listen to your body...but have you tried just powering thru the pain during a run and see if it goes away?
Honestly, my ankle didnt really start feeling alot better till I got out and ran and pushed thru the pain.
I dont know if it just needed to be loosened/stretched or what but it feels great now.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm worried about experiencing something like my compartment syndrome. Don't want to go through anything like that again.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know you say you don't like running is shoes with too much cushion, but some people just arent meant to run in minimalist (or in your case racing flats). I known if I race longer than a half marathon in my flats, it beats the hell out of my legs.


It might be worth looking into something with a bit more substance to it. I cant say enough about either the Kswiss Kwicky Blade Lights, or the Blade Light Runs.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/13/13 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's funny I checked on this and I see Corytrade talking about doing an ultra.

I'm really interested in it (mostly all of you guys to blame) and might be signing up for my first.

I have my firsts marathon on June 2, and I found an ultra on Oct 5. That gives me roughly 1 week of rest after the marathon and then 17 weeks to train. I think that's enough time, or so I hope so.

I'm more interested in those longer endurance runs, though I am in no means a fast runner as it is. I am thinking I can hit a 4:30 marathon, but going for a 4:45, being first time I have no idea what to expect.

Do you think signing up for a 50k is an insane thing to do before even having done a marathon? I'm loving running and want to have goals to achieve.

Also, I'm not in a trail running haven, so unfortunately I really don't think I'll be able to do a lot of training on trails, though I'll do what I can. Fortunately my area is very hilly so I can definitely do hill workouts at least.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I know you say you don't like running is shoes with too much cushion, but some people just arent meant to run in minimalist (or in your case racing flats). I known if I race longer than a half marathon in my flats, it beats the hell out of my legs.


It might be worth looking into something with a bit more substance to it. I cant say enough about either the Kswiss Kwicky Blade Lights, or the Blade Light Runs.

I tried running in my Kinvara2's then I switched over to my flats. It felt like I couldn't land on my forefoot with such bulky shoes on.

Perhaps I'm over pronating, which is resulting in the anteriorlateral leg pain. I'll look into it and see if I can research anything.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 08:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Forefoot landing isn't the only "right" way to run. ;). Plenty of heel strikers that run for years and years injury free.

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
03/13/13 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm getting faster. :-)


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/13 10:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Forefoot landing isn't the only "right" way to run. ;). Plenty of heel strikers that run for years and years injury free.

I'm just trying to find "any" way to run right now \:\)


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/13 10:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
It's funny I checked on this and I see Corytrade talking about doing an ultra.

I'm really interested in it (mostly all of you guys to blame) and might be signing up for my first.

I have my firsts marathon on June 2, and I found an ultra on Oct 5. That gives me roughly 1 week of rest after the marathon and then 17 weeks to train. I think that's enough time, or so I hope so.

I'm more interested in those longer endurance runs, though I am in no means a fast runner as it is. I am thinking I can hit a 4:30 marathon, but going for a 4:45, being first time I have no idea what to expect.

Do you think signing up for a 50k is an insane thing to do before even having done a marathon? I'm loving running and want to have goals to achieve.

Also, I'm not in a trail running haven, so unfortunately I really don't think I'll be able to do a lot of training on trails, though I'll do what I can. Fortunately my area is very hilly so I can definitely do hill workouts at least.


Glad to see there's another new guy who is also getting into ultra running. I don't see why signing up for a 50k before a marathon would be crazy. If anything it forces you to stay focused because you are more invested, like I said before I am training straight for an ultra. A 4:30 marathon time is nothing to scoff at, most people don't walk 26 miles in the entire month, so be proud when you do it. Good luck and keep us posted on your training. Post your kicks in the running shoe thread if you haven't.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/13 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I've been out of commision this whole week. I got a stomach bug or something, been shitting like crazy all week. I tried to do a 3-miler on Tuesday and damn near shit my pants. Sucks because I doubt I'm going to be able to do my long run tomorrow. I'm thinking about doing some cycing instead just to keep the cardio up.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/13 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been there...and not because I was sick, just because running makes me shit.
Got in a nice run today...ankle felt good but is a little sore now.
Hopefully didnt aggravate it.

21.4mi
Distance
3,031ft
Elevation
03:04:22
Moving Time
8:37/mi
Avg Pace
3,364
Calories


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/13 09:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Grabbed a couple cool pics after I headed back down the hill.




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/13 10:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy shit man...you're getting FAST! You're gonna kill it in that 50k.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/13 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

we'll see...my 50k has almost 8k of elevation.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/13 12:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I went back out today for the first time in a week. My gut/shit has finally stabilized to about normal. Just did another 3 miler with the wife and everything seemed pretty normal. Gonna probably do a light 8 miles this weekend, and get back to my goal of 13.6 by next weekend.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/13 09:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You ever have those weeks where you feel like you are at fitness level zero?
It was like every run this week was a battle. \:\(


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/13 11:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, man I hear you. I know I am relatively new to the longer runs, but a 6 miler last week damn near killed me. It made me feel like there was no way I was going to do a double digit run this weekend.

Keep hanging in there though. You'll break through it. BTW, I go down to the Bay alot (Milpitas native), maybe I can hit a trail run with you sometime.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
You ever have those weeks where you feel like you are at fitness level zero?
It was like every run this week was a battle. \:\(


Yep. \:\(

For me it's been realizing that Im probably still a little fatigued from my race, even though I feel fine and want to run, it's just once I get a few miles in, the energy levels drop off the chart. Trying hard to hit 200 miles for the month...just because. Gonna be close.


trdFLip
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey quick question guys, is there a pre cardio supplements I can take before going for a run? Is light breakfast or empty stomach better? I usually feel weak and sluggish I'm doing a cardio in the morning.

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
03/27/13 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like to have food in my stomach before I exercise, especially if i'll be running any long distances. You have to have fuel to be able to perform you know. If I run in the morning, I'll usually eat a bowl of cheerios or a bagel.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: trdFLip
Hey quick question guys, is there a pre cardio supplements I can take before going for a run? Is light breakfast or empty stomach better? I usually feel weak and sluggish I'm doing a cardio in the morning.

I think it all depends on the person. I can run for up to an hour on an empty stomach, and when I run first thing in the morning that is what I do.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseCray
 Originally Posted By: trdFLip
Hey quick question guys, is there a pre cardio supplements I can take before going for a run? Is light breakfast or empty stomach better? I usually feel weak and sluggish I'm doing a cardio in the morning.

I think it all depends on the person. I can run for up to an hour on an empty stomach, and when I run first thing in the morning that is what I do.


This. For training I rarely have anything before a run in the morning. For races I try and fuel up as best I can.

I have found that I really like the Gatorade Prime pouches. Suck one down before a long workout and it works really well for me.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I need to start working on this, my last couple 20+ I have gone out on an empty stomach and probably could have done better with a little fuel.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/13 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Yeah, man I hear you. I know I am relatively new to the longer runs, but a 6 miler last week damn near killed me. It made me feel like there was no way I was going to do a double digit run this weekend.

Keep hanging in there though. You'll break through it. BTW, I go down to the Bay alot (Milpitas native), maybe I can hit a trail run with you sometime.


For sure! Hit me on PM and we can figure something out. We can do some hills at Rancho San Antonio!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/28/13 09:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp I went and did it. Signed up for the 50k at Oil Creek on October 5th. (http://www.oilcreek100.org/Home)

Training is going well. I did 14 miles last Saturday (longest run ever so far) and have a 15 miler this Saturday. I didn't run for 3 days and last night did 7 miles in 58:31, which I know that's recovery speed for some of you guys, well for me that's extremely quick! So I'm proud of that.

I started reading Relentless Forward Progress and it is interesting so far. With lots of typos, lol.


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/30/13 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Welp I went and did it. Signed up for the 50k at Oil Creek on October 5th. (http://www.oilcreek100.org/Home)

Training is going well. I did 14 miles last Saturday (longest run ever so far) and have a 15 miler this Saturday. I didn't run for 3 days and last night did 7 miles in 58:31, which I know that's recovery speed for some of you guys, well for me that's extremely quick! So I'm proud of that.

I started reading Relentless Forward Progress and it is interesting so far. With lots of typos, lol.


Nice! Thats plenty of time to get ready for a 50k, especially if you're already knocking out 14.
I'm 3 weeks out from mine and feeling confident-ish.
Did 53 miles and about 4500 ft of elevation so far this week, including a 22 today.
It was a good run in that I fought thru it and knocked it out despite never really feeling that great, and it was bad in that I never felt great.
I'm hoping its just cause I need a rest day, ran the last 2 weeks straight and did 5x 1200m hill repeats on Wednesday that left me feeling kinda beat.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/30/13 08:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah I'm excited for it. Got a half marathon coming up next Saturday. I've been able to do sub 2:15 halfs in my training runs lately, so I'm excited to go for under 2:10 next Saturday at the race, since the first half I did was 2:18 I'd love to beat that time.

I did 15 miles today myself, when I uploaded it on Garmin I checked out your run and yours put mine to shame, lol. You're blazing fast man! Keep it up and can't wait to hear about the 50k you're doing soon!


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03/30/13 08:45 PM
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I guess I'll start checking in, since I'm apparently back in the saddle.
Tuesday; 3.5ish outside, roughly 8:30 minute pace. Felt good
Thursday: 2.65(i've got a loop across two bridges), roughly 8min pace. Got back inside and threw an extra mile on the treadmill. I thought about doing a double loop, I think next week I'll do that for my "long"
Friday: cycled both ways to work, now my ass hurts. Plus a 2 mile "walk"(30minutes) with co-workers to get them working out more.

Add in 2 days of weights, a day of snowboarding(cleaned up my tail grab and method, thanks) and a day of gardening and that makes up my 7 days.

Thinking I might got for stupid and add a 8 trail run tomorrow. I feel good as a whole. That will be my longest run in months, and I've only done 10+ in a week once in March. What could go wrong?!?


Sir Ironpool
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03/30/13 09:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As of my run today I'm at 198 miles for the month. I plan to tack on another 6 tomorrow afternoon on the Kona Coast of the Big Island.

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03/31/13 03:04 PM
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15km of trail running,probably about 1000 ft of vert. Nothing like doing 9 miles offroad when you haven't done even 7-8 on road in oh 6 months!
My brain/mind/spirit feels amazing. Such a great buzz right now.
My body is a little bit less enthused; ankles slightly sore and my right arch is less than pleased with me(what else is new). Other than that just a bit rubbery.

I think I'll skip my Tuesday run to aid recovery, probably just cycle to work.

hold it, I'm looking at my maps and it appears my nike running app shorted me some distance....
hmmmm


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03/31/13 03:51 PM
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Fucking Nike, you're based 10 miles away and you cant get shit right!!
I think the nike running app doesn't accurately record distance while the phone is locked.

So my 15km (9.2 miles) turns out, it was more like 11.2-11.5 range. (~18km)
That explains my time and why I was so tired towards the end. I managed to do it in 2 hours, which would be slow(though actually on pace with my last lazy 1/2) on road, but I feel like is pretty good off road(to be fair 4 miles were a closed dirt road so I could move it up there.).
I was pushing pretty hard, mainly because I was convinced I was moving too slow due to my faulty GPS. Now I know there are mile markers on the main trails so fuck GPS. My goal pace(condition dependent of course) is 8km/5mph. Based on this run I could do a half at that speed on this type of terrain now. Awesome!


Corytrade
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04/01/13 06:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I noticed that the Nike running app sucks major balls as well. I have switched back to RunKeeper and it is accurate to +/- 1%, which is pretty amazing in my opinion. It's pace per mile is kinda weird, but I just use overall distance and overall time.

Congrats on your pace, btw. I guess the GPS did you a favor in the sense of making you run harder. I really need to start hitting trails, I have been asphalt this whole past 3 months. Anyways, keep it up.


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04/01/13 06:37 PM
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Yeah, my goal was a an easy run though.

So I actually feel pretty good today. One little sore spot(muscluar). Not bad all things considered. My feet actually aren't hurting, which is amazing.

I think I'll do shorter runs for the next bit, and in 2 weeks time try to do the next longer length, which will be about 13.5 or even 14. The park here is amazing, 100s of acres of forest, two main trails running about 15 miles each way with 1/4 miles markers, and about a dozen cross over trails.


137
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/13 07:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my new toy!

http://www.amazon.com/Schwinn-Airdyne-Comp-Exercise-Bike/product-reviews/B000GRDS74

found it for 320 on craigs, damn near brand new!



Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/13 10:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/greg_wells/?id=419579

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/13 02:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great article, but basically what any Runners World subscriber already knows. \:D

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
04/04/13 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
As of my run today I'm at 198 miles for the month. I plan to tack on another 6 tomorrow afternoon on the Kona Coast of the Big Island.

Fuck me, 198 miles for the month! That's about what I'm at for the year. You are crazy man.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/13 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol runners world.

wasnt saying it was new material. Its just another resource. I know that guy as well and was aware of these concepts in my early teens ;\)


Ampsman in Extremis
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04/08/13 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I did 24 on Saturday, with almost 3k elevation gain and felt pretty good, it was my 6th 20+ mile run of the year.
Feel pretty ready for my 50k in 2 weeks, though the 7k+ elevation is a bit intimidating.


Sir Ironpool
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04/08/13 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're more than ready man. That last 6 are purely mental anyways. As long as you don't break down crying on the side of the trail you'll do great. :D.

What race is it BTW?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/08/13 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Brazen racing diablo trail challenge.

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04/08/13 04:22 PM
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Just signed up for a trail series, 6 races, 4-6 miles. Nice little schedule.

I think I'll do a little fun/fast/tempo stuff this week. Next week I think I'll go for 13-14 off-road. I felt fine after the last 11-12er I did.


2000SiRacer
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04/09/13 09:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



I've been waiting to finalize my 2013 race calendar before posting about it here and with this bit of mail from Maryland I'm all set! It's kind of cool to print out and mail in an application with a paper check and wait for a paper response. Not very green but so deliciously, hipsterishly analog - makes me wish I had a mechanical typewriter

JFK is unique in that it's 1) HUGE (967 finishers last year), 2) OLD (this is the 51st running) and 3) includes qualifying entry standards to register. There are A, B and C standards with some entries reserved for charity runners, locals, etc. A qualifiers register first, then B, then C but in reality the field fills up with A qualifiers so you need to meet that bar to get a standard entry spot. Anyway, you can read about it here if you want:

http://www.jfk50mile.org/Registration/Default.aspx

And the course is badass too: mostly fast and flat bike paths with 14.5 miles on the Appalachian Trail in the middle. Should be a good time

Anyway, 2013 schedule!!

3/9 - Land Between the Lakes (50 Miles) Kentucky
5/11 - Ice Age Trail (50 Miles) Wisconsin
6/1 - North Face EC (50 Miles) Virginia
7/27 - White River (50 Miles) Washington <-- about as close to Leadville as I'm comfortable with, trying not to run this one hard (but race day adrenaline does funny things)
8/17 - Leadville - Part 2 (100 miles) Colorado <-- really, really want to finish this one
9/14 - Run Rabbit Run (50 Miles) Colorado
11/23 - JFK (50 Miles) Virginia

It's a lot, but they're spread out well and if I train smart I should be fine. I'm planning on taking off the month between Thanksgiving and Christmas to really recover. Maybe do some cross country skiing or something, but no running for a month. Read about Scott Jurek doing this in the interest of longevity and it struck me as a really intelligent thing to do.


Impulsive
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04/09/13 10:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran my first hills/stairs run of the year (do this in summer months). Had to wait for the snow to melt. This was what it looked like last time I tried it.



Anyways, 3k trail run to stairs, 8 sets of stairs and 3k run back. Calves are tight this morning (also skied Sat/Sun all day, so that didn't help).

Last fall:



190 stairs.



Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/09/13 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been following a plan to build up to a half marathon, not sure if I'm going to actually run one or not...but at the very least this will help with some cross training for biking.

I have a bad habit of running balls out and as fast as I can instead of pacing myself and working on increasing my miles(and slowing down) instead of my time for a set distance. The plan has kept me honest and forced me to slow down. I ran about 5 yesterday at a comfortable pace.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/09/13 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow man you're racing 400 miles this year. Last year I did my first half marathon and didn't even hit 300 miles total, haha. My goal is 1k miles this year, which is going to be tough. Make up some posts with tons of pictures again the last one was awesome!

Sir Ironpool
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04/09/13 12:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lewis
I've been following a plan to build up to a half marathon, not sure if I'm going to actually run one or not...but at the very least this will help with some cross training for biking.

I have a bad habit of running balls out and as fast as I can instead of pacing myself and working on increasing my miles(and slowing down) instead of my time for a set distance. The plan has kept me honest and forced me to slow down. I ran about 5 yesterday at a comfortable pace.


Being trained and fit enough to run a half marathon at a moments notice is going to be a goal of mine for as long as I have two legs I can use. It requires enough training to stay pretty fit, but not so much to monopolize your time if you have other things going on.


Sir Ironpool
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04/09/13 12:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impetuous
Ran my first hills/stairs run of the year (do this in summer months). Had to wait for the snow to melt. This was what it looked like last time I tried it.



Anyways, 3k trail run to stairs, 8 sets of stairs and 3k run back. Calves are tight this morning (also skied Sat/Sun all day, so that didn't help).

Last fall:



190 stairs.



That's fucking beautiful.


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04/09/13 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Lewis
I've been following a plan to build up to a half marathon, not sure if I'm going to actually run one or not...but at the very least this will help with some cross training for biking.

I have a bad habit of running balls out and as fast as I can instead of pacing myself and working on increasing my miles(and slowing down) instead of my time for a set distance. The plan has kept me honest and forced me to slow down. I ran about 5 yesterday at a comfortable pace.


Being trained and fit enough to run a half marathon at a moments notice is going to be a goal of mine for as long as I have two legs I can use. It requires enough training to stay pretty fit, but not so much to monopolize your time if you have other things going on.

Yeah, I feel you on that.
WHen I previously ran 1/2s I trained. Now I just go for a run, maybe it'll be 6 miles, maybe 14 i decide when I pack for it that morning.

I love being able to run a 1/2(albeit a slow one) at any time. I actually think if I did the normal 12 week program I like now on top of the base miles I'd probably do much better.

I've never had much for base miles, but now I'm a huge fan.

Basically, slow down and just run. Once you're comfortable with that, then you can work on the speed. I previously tried the opposite and suffered through races and was still slow.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/09/13 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran my first half marathon of the year last Sat. in Greensboro NC. The course was great, ran through downtown and in/out of alot of city parks. The whole course was nothing but a bunch of rollers and false flats (who would have thought NC to be hilly LOL), which was just challenging enough to keep my pace a little slower than I wanted. I was hoping for 1:30 but came in at 1:37.

I'll try to upload the garmin later. Here's the results email:

Congratulations Mike on finishing the BB&T Gate City Half Marathon and 8k on April 06, 2013.

Below are your personal race results provided by On The Mark Sports

Your Chip Time 1:37:24
Your Gun Time 1:37:33

Your overall finish place 39 and finish percentile is top 8%.
Your age group place 7 and your age group percentile is top 19%.
Your finish time of 1:37:33 gave you a 7:27 pace per mile.

Petton Hoyal was the overall winner in a time of 1:11:21


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04/09/13 04:16 PM
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1:37 on your first?!
Eff me. Nice job!


Impulsive
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04/09/13 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

That's fucking beautiful.


Edmonton doesn't get a lot of love, but the river valley is extremely nice at all times of the year. I do almost all my non-winter running in the valley/ravines. It's definitely more enjoyable.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
04/09/13 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
1:37 on your first?!
Eff me. Nice job!


It wasn't my first ever half, just the first of the year. I have another next month that I've ran before and is a little flatter that I'm really hoping to get a 1:30 at or blow up trying.


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04/09/13 05:09 PM
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 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
1:37 on your first?!
Eff me. Nice job!


It wasn't my first ever half, just the first of the year. I have another next month that I've ran before and is a little flatter that I'm really hoping to get a 1:30 at or blow up trying.

Oh, re-read that.
Still not bad. I'd love a 1:3#:## half.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/09/13 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good time man, 1:37 is awesome. Those 1:35-ish times are something I'd love to hit someday. I'm with dirty though, I want to do a sub 100minute half.

Sir Ironpool
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04/09/13 07:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Mike...I bet you hit it no problem. My 1:30 was kind of a surprise....just ended up having a great day. I haven't done a half since then, but I want to go for sub 1:30 real bad.

Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/13 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran six miles this weekend in about 50 minutes, the half marathon I may potentially do is June 1st. I think I can easily be ready by then If I choose to do it.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/13 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wasnt planning on really tapering much this week but I fucked up my calf on saturday. \:\(
I was going to do an easy 12-14 on saturday, well I was drinking with my brother in law friday night and he says he is going to do mission peak the next morning.
Its 2.9 miles to the top with 2100 feet elevation.
I had never done it before and I love me some hills so I'm like fuck it, instead of an east 12-14 I'm gonna do a balls out 6 up and down this hill. \:D
So I felt pretty good going up and tag the peak in 35 minutes, I do the descent in 20 minutes.
The second I stop the top of my right calf feels like a baseball size knot just instantly forms, never felt anything like it.
I was parked about a half mile away so I decide a nice cool down jog to the car will help, loosened up a bit but still sore as fuck.
I could barely walk on it the next day so I did a super easy 4 and it helped a bit.
Took yesterday off and rolled it and did an Epsom salt bath, gonna try and do 8 or 10 tonight.
I think it should be good but pissed at myself.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/18/13 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 6 yesterday with about 1500ft elevation and felt great, super strong on the hills.
Bring it!



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/18/13 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good to hear man....its never fun going into a big race with anything questioning your abilities/health. Go kick some ass!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/18/13 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went out and got new running shoes and not sure how much I like them yet. I was running in Brooks Pure Connects and have 350-375 miles on them and decided to replace them. My right achilles area was starting to hurt from running, and it is much better with the new shoes.

I got a pair of Saucony Virrata's. They felt good in the store, but now that I've done 2 runs in them (5 and 8 miles) the area under the balls of your feet has a lump and it is annoying, because it is slightly behind the area. So it is just pressing into my arch area and it isn't that fun, on top of that my right big toe starts to get sore and tingles from running. First run was 5 miles and it was pretty bad, but I had tied them tight, so the next run of 8 miles I loosened them up some and it helped, but after 4 or so miles it was noticeable again. I have to do 5 miles again today and will try them out again, I got them at a local shoe store and not sure what kind of return policy they have, guess I should have done runningwarehouse and just returned them!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/13 08:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a 35 mile course preview day for the Ice Age Trail 50 yesterday and it went really well! We were definitely taking it slow, 6:31 for the day, but that includes time spent hanging out at the "aid station" (water & heed) and when I ran into my ROTC cousin out in the park doing land navigation drills (small world). I only took in 350 calories during the run and felt strong through the end, although definitely a bit hungry and depleted at the finish. The course also had ~3,500' of climbing.

That run put me at 101 miles for the past 7 days (woot!) and 78 miles for the first six days of the week so I'm feeling good about that and looking forward to not blowing up on May 11th


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/13 02:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just signed up for my first tri of the year....Folsom International up in NorCal in 3 weeks.. Another family affair with my brothers and dad, and my wife and two sister in laws doing the relay.

Guess I need to dust off the bike and get in the pool.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/13 11:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished my fourth 10 mile run in a row to cap off the week. After tha craziness that was the first part in Boston, it felt good to get out there and push it for a few days.

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04/22/13 10:54 PM
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Did 8 on accident on Sunday. Was camping at a new
Park. Took a turn and after a 1/4 mile it looped away from camp. Realized that's my longest paved run this year. Though technically only abou 6 was paved.

Felt awkward. But that could be that it was only 2 hours after a huge lunch and some beers.

Weather is amazing this week. So in hoping to break 20 this week for once.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/24/13 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lets talk breathing.
My experience this weekend left me thinking about what I need to do differently, the obvious thing was my breathing.
I am a mouth breather and I have never even really given any thought to my breathing patterns when running. I had remembered Jurek talking about nose breathing in his book and they also talk about it in chi running.
I actually tried it on my run this morning and it was not easy, you really don’t feel like you are getting enough oxygen.
But what I found is that it forces you to get into a rhythm with your breathing because you cant just gasp for air with your nose, even if you want to.
So I found myself keeping my breathing on pace with my strides, so say 4 strides I breath in and then the next 4 strides I breath out. It actually ended up being kind of relaxing.
I still need to work on it but felt like I already made some progress, the real test of course is when I'm doing some hills or something really strenuous.


Sir Ironpool
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04/24/13 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's funny you mention it, and I don't know why I didn't think about it after your initial report.

In my 50k, at a difficult section where I was having a low moment at like mile 20, I realized I just didn't seem to be getting a good amount of air in with each breath. I'm a mouth breather too, but I found that focusing on exhaling helped a whole lot...like it completely brought me back around. I would take a big deep breath with my mouth open, but then I'd exhale kind of forcefully through pursed lips. I don't know if it was the technique itself or just the fact that it forced me to focus on something other than hating life at that moment, but it worked really really well.


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04/24/13 01:34 PM
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Funny, I've been having breathing thoughts too. I think I've got super mild allergies, but it's been making me struggle. OR something has. It seems like lately I've been out of breath a lot on runs. I tend to pant on the out breath too much I think, rather than calmly exhaling. On shoter runs(5k), I've been getting side aches and feeling very short of breath(only thing keeping me from speeding up). On long runs I just feel like I'm breathing a bit harder than I should.


On my next LSR I'll try the nose breathing. And on moderate stuff I'm going to work on controlled exhales.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/24/13 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I read recently about a type of breathing for running where you want to alternate what foot you land on when exhaling. It was something about you put the most stress on your body when you exhale. So you want to inhale for 3 steps and exhale for 2 steps, so you always are alternating your breaths. I'm pretty sure it was in the last issue of Runner's World. I'd have to try to find it. I, personally, don't think about it and just breathe as I need to when I run.

SilverSiR2
(Post Master Supreme)
04/24/13 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone watch the tv show Boundless, it's two Canadians doing ultramarathon type races. They did a total of 8 races in 5 months, completely hardcore. Here's the trailer:

http://vimeo.com/59111394


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/24/13 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks awesome...but looks like Canada only. \:\(

slackereg6
(Member)
04/24/13 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What are you guys using for a trail shoe?

Currently using saucony kinvaras on the street and was using asics gel-scram for dirt runs but they have fallen apart. I can always pick up another pair of scrams but kind of want to try something new.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/13 12:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I LOVE my Brooks Pure Grit.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/25/13 07:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I LOVE my Brooks Pure Grit.


Funny enough I picked up a pair of these yesterday, they felt great in the store. Will be trying them out this weekend!


slackereg6
(Member)
04/25/13 08:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Will see if the local store has those. Doing a 10k night trail run this weekend if it stops raining.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/13 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I LOVE my Brooks Pure Grit.


Pure grit 2 are probably my favorite shoe ever.
I use them for everything.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/13 04:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
It's funny you mention it, and I don't know why I didn't think about it after your initial report.

In my 50k, at a difficult section where I was having a low moment at like mile 20, I realized I just didn't seem to be getting a good amount of air in with each breath. I'm a mouth breather too, but I found that focusing on exhaling helped a whole lot...like it completely brought me back around. I would take a big deep breath with my mouth open, but then I'd exhale kind of forcefully through pursed lips. I don't know if it was the technique itself or just the fact that it forced me to focus on something other than hating life at that moment, but it worked really really well.


That has worked for me in the past, especially when working out cramps.
I am more and more starting to think that my issue initially was maybe triggered by allergies and then my poor breathing techniques exasperated the problem and I then had some sort of anxiety attack. I used to have alot of anxiety issues, which is why I dont drink caffeine, and ultimately how I ended up when I dropped was exactly like when I used to have anxiety attacks...face and hands tingling, gasping for air.
I did another run this morning, 8 miles, and I would say 95% nose breathing.
I got so comfortable that at one point I tried to inhale thru my mouth and didnt feel like I was getting enough oxygen. Then went right back to my nose and felt great. What is really great is how much more in control I feel.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/13 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It seems like with running, its easy to swing too far both ways....over thinking things, and underthinking them as well. There are times where I realize that I'm being lazy and my posture sucks or my turnover is slow, and Ihave to force myself to correct it. Then there will be runs where I spend the whole thing obsessing over my pace, or how I feel or whatever.


We just spend way more time in our own heads than most people.


slackereg6
(Member)
04/28/13 03:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The trail run went just about as bad as possible.

Started off at the back of the pack since the trails were narrow I could not do much the first 1.5 miles. Finally got passed that group and was running solo for a few minutes. Didn’t spot a tree root sticking up and rolled my ankle bad at about mile 2. Limped it out for a little bit before being able to run again. 4 miles in got back to a decent pace minus having to slow down at a few turns that were not marked well. Right before the finish hit a rock that was sticking up and went down again. Walked/limped it in for a 59 flat.

Ankle looks like the top 1/4 of a tennis ball this morning. I will be doing another one next during the day so hopefully I can do a little better.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/13 03:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol that sucks man. Id imagine it was one of those times where it gets so ridiculous you just have to laugh.

My brother takes his running group out on full moon trail runs and Im always super jealous. Looks like a blast.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/13 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10 mile run this morning followed up with a mile in the pool. Whew.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/13 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
10 mile run this morning followed up with a mile in the pool. Whew.


you're not doing that faggy tri stuff again are you?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/13 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, yep...I've been sucked back in. Olympic distance weekend after next up at Folsom Lake. Figured I should probably do the other two sports at least a few times before the race, lol.

nato2377
(Post Master Sr)
04/30/13 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i ran for the first time in forever last night, 4.3 miles at a 8:48 pace. cardio was good from all the cycling but my legs are so fucking sore today lol

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/13 04:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh yeah....going from no impact to high impact fucking sucks! Its not so bad going the other way though, my cycling fitness hasnt seemed to of suffered too much the last 4 months or so. My flexibilty in aero leaves a bit to be desired, but that'll come quickly.

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05/01/13 07:16 PM
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Time for a 6 miler trail race.
Wish me luck on not being last.


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05/02/13 09:48 AM
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~6 miles, probably 1k of vert?
8:50 Pace.
Better than I expected for hating hills. I had too much left in the tank. I was full sprinting downhill on a dirt road to finish and still felt fresh within a couple minutes.

On the downhills I can't move my feet fast enough with obstacles. Still could gain on most my pace group, but felt a little out of control.
Practice will help I'm sure.
On the uphills I'm one of the first people to revert to walking. That said, I actually wasn't loosing much ground the people at my pace just by brisk walking. It seems like some people feel like they have to "run" for it to count(they're really just jogging). In such a short race any time spent moving that slow(4.5mph-ish) seems wasted. SO basically I need to toughen up.


Flats I felt great though, I was passsing comfortably the minute it got flat.

This was my first tail race in about 10 months. Last year I wasn't running much, so I was doing 10-11 minute paces. I feel much stronger as a runner. I had run some of the same trails for my accidental 11.8miles last month, which really helped me mentally. I didn't look at the map enough though, because I thought I had more uphill left than I did and I think I "saved" too much.


4 more races in the series!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/13 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
~6 miles, probably 1k of vert?
8:50 Pace.
Better than I expected for hating hills. I had too much left in the tank. I was full sprinting downhill on a dirt road to finish and still felt fresh within a couple minutes.

On the downhills I can't move my feet fast enough with obstacles. Still could gain on most my pace group, but felt a little out of control.
Practice will help I'm sure.
On the uphills I'm one of the first people to revert to walking. That said, I actually wasn't loosing much ground the people at my pace just by brisk walking. It seems like some people feel like they have to "run" for it to count(they're really just jogging). In such a short race any time spent moving that slow(4.5mph-ish) seems wasted. SO basically I need to toughen up.


Flats I felt great though, I was passsing comfortably the minute it got flat.

This was my first tail race in about 10 months. Last year I wasn't running much, so I was doing 10-11 minute paces. I feel much stronger as a runner. I had run some of the same trails for my accidental 11.8miles last month, which really helped me mentally. I didn't look at the map enough though, because I thought I had more uphill left than I did and I think I "saved" too much.


4 more races in the series!


Nice! Hills are somewhere that you have to suck it up and save energy some time. I am bad about that myself, my thinking is that even if I'm not moving very fast I am carrying momentum to when it flattens out, versus walking/power hiking I feel like its hard to get that momentum back.
Keep it up man!


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05/02/13 01:20 PM
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See, I feel the minute it mellows out pitch my lungs feel amazing. It's like I'm getting compressed air given to me. So I have no problem moving again. My feet feel like feathers.

Yeah, I had a blast. I thought I'd burn more on this one, but I finished the race feeling very good. So time to turn it up a bit more for next time. Still, I'm not unhappy with my pace. I did 12 miles in 2 hours about a month ago. I think I need to start ramping my milage and shoot for a longer distance soon. This series runs through May, so I'll probably aim for breaking 8min pace offroad by series end, while ramping up a bit. Then get back above 20 miles a week in June.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/13 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 mile bike/7.5 mile run brick last night at 9:00. 6 mile run/1 mile swim brick this morning at 9:00. I need a freaking nap!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/13 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
~6 miles, probably 1k of vert?
8:50 Pace.
Better than I expected for hating hills. I had too much left in the tank. I was full sprinting downhill on a dirt road to finish and still felt fresh within a couple minutes.

On the downhills I can't move my feet fast enough with obstacles. Still could gain on most my pace group, but felt a little out of control.
Practice will help I'm sure.
On the uphills I'm one of the first people to revert to walking. That said, I actually wasn't loosing much ground the people at my pace just by brisk walking. It seems like some people feel like they have to "run" for it to count(they're really just jogging). In such a short race any time spent moving that slow(4.5mph-ish) seems wasted. SO basically I need to toughen up.


Flats I felt great though, I was passsing comfortably the minute it got flat.

This was my first tail race in about 10 months. Last year I wasn't running much, so I was doing 10-11 minute paces. I feel much stronger as a runner. I had run some of the same trails for my accidental 11.8miles last month, which really helped me mentally. I didn't look at the map enough though, because I thought I had more uphill left than I did and I think I "saved" too much.


4 more races in the series!


Nice job man. Those hills will get easier. Just gotta run more hills. \:D


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05/02/13 02:53 PM
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I'll say I didn't hate teh hills as much as I normally do. I knew they were too long for me to power through, and realizing that a 4.5mph walk is easier than a 4.5mph jog helped. Even a 4.7mph jog would have been wasting energy for the given speed I realized. I'd run the gentler stretches. But yeah, my hill skills need some work, but they'll get there. If I can get just a little stronger on them I'll move back to the slow run and I think that'll really bring my avg speed up.


Not that this is the right post for it. But I've also hit a new PR in bench today, and tied my PR in squats(especially good given the hills on 18 hours ago). Feeling like a stud today.


Sir Ironpool
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05/02/13 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

One technique that works well for me is to shorten your stride way up (like way exaggerated) and make sure your hips are over your feet. WE all tend to want to lean into it and that uses your lower legs, which are far less efficient at climbing than the quads and glutes are. If you are planted over your feet you'll use those bigger muscles and it will be easier.

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05/02/13 03:33 PM
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I try to always keep leg turnover in mind, so I tend to have shorter strides. But I'll test out what you're saying next time I'm out on some hills.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/13 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

April was a good month of training for me! 302 miles on the month with a 101 mile week and 4 longer runs of 20-35 miles. I got more done, training wise, in April than I did in all of Jan-Mar for my last race. Here's to a good taper and not blowing up next weekend

I've also juggled stuff on my calendar and am waffling on whether to sign up for UROC. I really want to run this one. It's going to have a huge turnout with lots of the front runners showing up for a shot at that rare prize money. It's also 2 hours away from me, which makes it even more appealing. My concern is that Aug/Sep is already really busy with 3 races between Aug 3 and Sep 14. This would be two weeks later on Sep 28th. Part of me thinks it's too much and I'm asking for trouble, but I still want to sign up and give myself the option to run. It'd be more of a "get out and enjoy the trails and awesome race day atmosphere before it gets cold" thing than a harder race effort (but you know how that race day adrenaline does funny things). I'd also have a big break with nothing on the calendar until my last race of the season 8 weeks later. I'm telling myself I'm going to take off running from Thanksgiving to New Year after such a busy fall too, so I'm rationalizing the busy fall schedule every which way I can

How's everyone else doing? Anyone else with events in May?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/13 06:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats some big mileage!


I have an olympic tri next weekend, and thats it on the schedule for now. Getting into the busy summertime so racing will be fairly minimal, but training will continue to get intense over the next 4 months as I get ready for Ironman Lake Tahoe.

I might be pacing a friend of mine at Western States for 20 miles...it all depends on whether my brother wants to do the full last 40 with him. Either way I'll be up on the course crewing for him.


slackereg6
(Member)
05/05/13 04:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody ever done the Vegas marathon? It seems like it might be fun and I like that it is at night because I am lazy and hate mornings.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/13 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First year was a total clusterfuck I heard...but I think they've got alot of the kinks worked out.

My problem with it is that I know full well what the rest of Vegas (other than the strip) looks like, and have NO desire to run there.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/13 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I might be pacing a friend of mine at Western States for 20 miles...it all depends on whether my brother wants to do the full last 40 with him. Either way I'll be up on the course crewing for him.


Either way, I'm in for a full write up with lots of cool pictures. That's going to be an amazing weekend, man

And it probably goes without saying, but I'm super jealous. One day...she will be mine



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/13 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, yeah, I'm pretty excited about the whole thing. I plan to hit the start, finish and as many spots as I can inbetween.

I had a great week of training:

Swim: 2 miles
Bike: 100 miles
Run: 50 miles

Feeling pretty ready for my race on Saturday. Hoping to hit 2:20 for the Olympic distance (1.5k swim, 40k bike, 10k run.
26 minute swim would be fine, 1:10 bike would be great, and a 45 minute 10k would be awesome. Add in a few minutes for transition and it's doable.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/13 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran the OC Half this weekend. Pretty well organized and a nice flat scenic route. It was my first half and I'm hooked. Looking to do another later this year if time permits. Maybe the LB Half?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/13 04:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. The LB half is a nice super flat course, but it does have a super congested start.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/13 04:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha it was the same with OC. It normally doesn't sell out. But Boston definitely drove up the registration. Lots of folks running for the cause.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/13 05:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
April was a good month of training for me! 302 miles on the month with a 101 mile week and 4 longer runs of 20-35 miles. I got more done, training wise, in April than I did in all of Jan-Mar for my last race. Here's to a good taper and not blowing up next weekend

I've also juggled stuff on my calendar and am waffling on whether to sign up for UROC. I really want to run this one. It's going to have a huge turnout with lots of the front runners showing up for a shot at that rare prize money. It's also 2 hours away from me, which makes it even more appealing. My concern is that Aug/Sep is already really busy with 3 races between Aug 3 and Sep 14. This would be two weeks later on Sep 28th. Part of me thinks it's too much and I'm asking for trouble, but I still want to sign up and give myself the option to run. It'd be more of a "get out and enjoy the trails and awesome race day atmosphere before it gets cold" thing than a harder race effort (but you know how that race day adrenaline does funny things). I'd also have a big break with nothing on the calendar until my last race of the season 8 weeks later. I'm telling myself I'm going to take off running from Thanksgiving to New Year after such a busy fall too, so I'm rationalizing the busy fall schedule every which way I can

How's everyone else doing? Anyone else with events in May?


Damn dude! Nice! You should kick some ass on your races.
I have a 50k on saturday, no idea what to expect.
I had been feeling super sluggish lately, like zero energy but still putting in the miles. Last friday I wanted to get in 3 hours on the trail, get out there and its 95 degrees.
I had my vest with a 50oz bladder so I filled that and also filled a simple bottle that I keep in my waistband, killed both 65 minutes into the run.
My legs felt like shit and I was out of water and over an hour from my car, decided I should turn around and ran for what seemed like the longest hour ever.
That run just absolutely fucked me mentally.
I also decided to weigh myself the other day and I have lost 10 pounds, I usually am 155, up to 160 at time and I weighed 145.
I have been eating like fucking crazy trying to get some weight back on, I ate 4 avacados for a late snack last night.
I decided I am going to approach this weekend like a long training run, no taper, nothing special just another run.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/13 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah man...just go into it with the idea of just finishing and enjoying the day. You'll do great. ;\)

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
05/08/13 08:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Haha, yeah, I'm pretty excited about the whole thing. I plan to hit the start, finish and as many spots as I can inbetween.

I had a great week of training:

Swim: 2 miles
Bike: 100 miles
Run: 50 miles

Feeling pretty ready for my race on Saturday. Hoping to hit 2:20 for the Olympic distance (1.5k swim, 40k bike, 10k run.
26 minute swim would be fine, 1:10 bike would be great, and a 45 minute 10k would be awesome. Add in a few minutes for transition and it's doable.


That's a crazy fast time! Good luck. I hope I can get my swim down to that time eventually. I was at 37 minutes for my first attempt which I was pretty happy with. Was hoping for 40 ish minutes.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/13 09:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, that's not a bad time at all...and even better that you had a good experience with your first.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/13 10:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah man...just go into it with the idea of just finishing and enjoying the day. You'll do great. ;\)


Yep, all of this.

I've been getting rocked with allergies for the past week now. Right at the beginning of my taper the leaves came out and I've just been fatigued, dead legs, sleeping for 8+ hours and still wanting more sleep, etc. At first I thought I was recovering from the mileage but after a couple days I looked up the pollen counts (25x increase) and now I've started taking Zyrtec and am hoping for the best on Saturday. I have the fitness there but I just feel wiped after a run with all this pollen in the air. Good news: it's been in the mid 70s all week but Saturday is a high of 57 and partly cloudy!! SO excited about that as April was cold and nobody has been running in "heat".

Do you think seasonal allergies could be behind your symptoms, ampsman?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/13 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah man...just go into it with the idea of just finishing and enjoying the day. You'll do great. ;\)


Yep, all of this.

I've been getting rocked with allergies for the past week now. Right at the beginning of my taper the leaves came out and I've just been fatigued, dead legs, sleeping for 8+ hours and still wanting more sleep, etc. At first I thought I was recovering from the mileage but after a couple days I looked up the pollen counts (25x increase) and now I've started taking Zyrtec and am hoping for the best on Saturday. I have the fitness there but I just feel wiped after a run with all this pollen in the air. Good news: it's been in the mid 70s all week but Saturday is a high of 57 and partly cloudy!! SO excited about that as April was cold and nobody has been running in "heat".

Do you think seasonal allergies could be behind your symptoms, ampsman?


Yes...I am definitely thinking it is allergies. Maybe I'll try zyrtec also and see if it helps. Forecast for Saturday is mid 80's so I need to be prepared for some heat again also, alot of exposed areas out there. I'm excited though, just gonna try and enjoy it. This race draws some really good runners so it should be cool to see them kill it out there, course record for the 50 miler is 6:01.


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
05/08/13 02:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've found that Allegra D works really well for me. Give that a try if the zyrtec doesn't help.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/13 05:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My head is sooo stuffed up! I cant breath thru my nose at all!
I started taking some zyrtec yesterday, hopefully it kicks in soon.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/13 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tough race today! Super hilly bike, crazy hilly trail run....all at 90+ degrees!

25:XX swim: felt fantastic.

1:14 bike, averaged 20.4 mph. Lots of hills first 16 miles, smoking fast last 8 miles...averaged over 30mph in that section.

10k run: 59:XX. Felt relatively good, but it was a tough course mix of single track and fire road with lots of climbing.

50/200 overall, 6/22 in the 35-39 age group. 1/4 in the family category. \:D My fast brother had a flat though. Beat him on the swim, but he put 9 minutes on me on the run with a 50:00, which was the 14th fastest run time of the day. My little brother in his first tri had the 17th fastest swim! We've decided we should do relays instead...we would dominate.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/13 06:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
1/4 in the family category. \:D


Funny how that can be the most important category of them all

Sounds like a great race in tough conditions! Congrats. I can't imagine racing in 90+ degrees. That's so rough man haha

I've updated my long post in OT with my Ice Age race report: http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/6761220/fpart/8

CN: something unexpected, and as yet unexplained, happened with my left knee and was unable to run past ~13 miles or so. Spent most of the day walking and getting progressively worse (shocker) but still finished in 11:26, a whopping 34 minutes before course cutoff

All jokes and sarcasm aside, I'm pretty freaking proud of myself for gutting it out. Dropping out was looking pretty tempting with 37 miles and 10 hours ahead of me.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/13 08:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No shit man....that must have been the mental battle from hell! That's why I got my Death Before DNF tattoo. :D. Just a reminder to suck it up and finish it....time be damned!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/13 10:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the hardest part was beginning to question whether I was doing more serious damage as the day wore on. There's a fine line between gutting it out and being an idiot it when it comes to things like this and I'm still not sure which side of the line I fell on. I *think* I'm out of the woods in terms of bad news stuff now, but by the end of the race I was fairly certain something had torn behind my right knee. That was definitely the worst part of it for me.

Can you post up your death before DNF tattoo, Chris? I think I saw it when you originally posted it but I'd love to see it again. Great reminder to not be a baby on race day


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/13 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ehhh...theres always going to be another race. If you are questioning at all your health or long term affects from continuing then there is no reason to keep going.
Swallow your pride and drop.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/13 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Ehhh...theres always going to be another race. If you are questioning at all your health or long term affects from continuing then there is no reason to keep going.
Swallow your pride and drop.


Agreed, but this was just a tight IT band that didn't seem to mind walking at first. It didn't get to the point of "oh shit, maybe this was too much" until the last three miles of the race.

If it were breathing related like your issues in your last race? I'd drop for sure. That's a lot more cut and dry in my book.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/13 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Ehhh...theres always going to be another race. If you are questioning at all your health or long term affects from continuing then there is no reason to keep going.
Swallow your pride and drop.


Agreed, but this was just a tight IT band that didn't seem to mind walking at first. It didn't get to the point of "oh shit, maybe this was too much" until the last three miles of the race.

If it were breathing related like your issues in your last race? I'd drop for sure. That's a lot more cut and dry in my book.


That makes more sense then. Hopefully some r&r will take care of it and you'll be back out there soon.
Mad props for walking those last 37 miles, that is shit loads of determination.
My wife always kids me about how much I hate to walk but I'll go out and run 20 miles without thinking twice. I'm an impatient fucker.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/13 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know what you mean! I got into running by way of hiking, but now I rarely go out for a hike without thinking "man, this is so slow! Let's run this trail!". This is a habit I need to break over the summer because hiking muscles are not running muscles and Leadville will certainly include its fair share of hiking.

Related note: one of the best ultra articles I've read. The author does a pretty awesome job of capturing some of the feelings around Leadville.

http://deadspin.com/i-dont-understand-what-motivates-people-to-run-like-thi-451791253

 Quote:
For more than 20 hours, I've been watching the packs of runners pass through various aid stations. By now, it seems less like a race, something with a particular competitive object, than like a communal exercise in self-affirmation. To run in the race is to suffer, but also to be constantly told how wonderful you were—to feel a whole world of complete strangers supporting you and cheering you on.


Such a trip, man. I don't think you can be around those volunteers, spectators and crew all day without feeling an overwhelming sense of "humanity...fuck yeah!".


Trucks
(Post Master)
05/18/13 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran the Brooklyn Half (my first race longer than a 10K) this morning. My running has slowed the past month because I've been working a lot, so I just wanted to finish in under 2 hours, and I ended up at 1:46:43. Felt pretty great! Took a long nap and now gonna go grill some food and drink some beers.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/13 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man...that's a solid performance!

I hiked 11 miles and 5000ft of elevation change in 24 hours with my 11 year old. Slept at a backcountry camp. It was awesome, and kicked my ass. Harder than if Id have ran it in 2 hours or so.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/13 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy crap some great stuff here since I last checked in. Need to visit here more often for motivation.

Ran a 21.30 3 miler yesterday. Slow for CSI standards but a personal best for this old fogey. \:\)


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/21/13 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran the Cleveland Half Marathon on Sunday. I was really hoping for 1:30:xx, but finished at disappointing 1:36:29. I can't really give any excuses but my own mistakes. The weather was perfect for the half (mid 60's and overcast at the start) but ended up hot and sunny for the people running the full.

My big mistakes were trying to keep running thru the water stops(pinch the cup and drink while running, the first water stop it went right up my nose. So the next 2 times I grabbed water I just stopped off to the side and drank and started running again. If I would have just kept running I might have made my time.

On a side note one of my training partners hammered the marathon, finishing at 2:48:29 2nd in his age group and 12 overall.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/22/13 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty damn good. I'm just hoping to make it under 2 hours on my next one.

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
05/27/13 06:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Saturday I did the run that started me on my journey of running. It motivated me to do a marathon and a triathlon and many other 5k, 10k, 15ks over the past year. Last year I ran a 24.33, this year i improved my time considerably finishing in 21.27. That was good fun 6th in my division and 54th out of 225 total.

JackiesCivic
(Post Master Sr)
05/28/13 07:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran a mile for the first time since HS yesterday. A little over 15 minutes, at about 4.5mph. I feel awesome about it. It's nice to know that I CAN do it!

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
05/28/13 07:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! It feels good doing things you think you may not be able to do doesn't it. Keep it going. Soon you'll be doing more miles than you ever though you'd run in your life and you'll love it.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/13 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job guys. Keep it up!

Running my first 10K this weekend, followed by a 5K in July and then resuming training for another half in October. Would like to do the LA full next March. We'll see how things go...


JackiesCivic
(Post Master Sr)
05/29/13 09:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
Nice! It feels good doing things you think you may not be able to do doesn't it. Keep it going. Soon you'll be doing more miles than you ever though you'd run in your life and you'll love it.


I think part of the reason I was able to do it is because I'm down 11lbs since the last time I attempted. Plus, there was a hot guy on the treadmill next to me \:D


MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
05/29/13 10:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: JackiesCivic
 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
Nice! It feels good doing things you think you may not be able to do doesn't it. Keep it going. Soon you'll be doing more miles than you ever though you'd run in your life and you'll love it.


I think part of the reason I was able to do it is because I'm down 11lbs since the last time I attempted. Plus, there was a hot guy on the treadmill next to me \:D

Even more power to you for doing it on the treadmill. I can't think of many things I hate more than running on a treadmill. I love being outside in the fresh air. Having the wind blow in your hair and seeing wildlife running makes it all that much better for me.


**DONOTDELETE**
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05/29/13 11:12 AM
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Got this ahead of me tonight.
http://www.portlandtrailseries.com/_/rsrc/1369797564229/home/PTS%20Spring%203%20Route.png
7.42 miles with moderate uphill till a decent ending climb, then back down the same route. It's a decayed cobbled road, so it's flat-ish, but just enough unevenness to punish the ankles.

I haven't done over 7 in probably 2-3 months, and haven't ran over 5 since 4 weeks ago due to a mild case of plantar fascia. I'm hoping for 1:05 or less.


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05/29/13 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

58 minutes
The hill at midpoint sucked up and down. Sloppy mud on top of clay.
Expecting quads to hurt.

Drinking beer and endorphin buzzin. I should run more races!


JackiesCivic
(Post Master Sr)
05/30/13 07:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
 Originally Posted By: JackiesCivic
 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
Nice! It feels good doing things you think you may not be able to do doesn't it. Keep it going. Soon you'll be doing more miles than you ever though you'd run in your life and you'll love it.


I think part of the reason I was able to do it is because I'm down 11lbs since the last time I attempted. Plus, there was a hot guy on the treadmill next to me \:D

Even more power to you for doing it on the treadmill. I can't think of many things I hate more than running on a treadmill. I love being outside in the fresh air. Having the wind blow in your hair and seeing wildlife running makes it all that much better for me.


It's not my favorite either, by far. My ADHD only lets me get to a mile before I have to stop lol. Eventually I will get to running outside. My joints hated me on Tuesday and Wednesday. In fact, they are still a bit achy \:\(


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/13 01:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Learn from my mistake and take it easy lol. I do like treadmills for their ability to control pace and incline. Great training tool.

As for redundancy... smartphone is your friend. Currently catching up on House of Cards on Netflix. Something to consider once you become more comfortable with the breathing and running in a fixed location.

Like Chris (Mr. Mom) I was waaay out of shape before I found running. Now I couldn't imagine my life without it. Hope you find it as fun as many of us do here.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/30/13 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
58 minutes
The hill at midpoint sucked up and down. Sloppy mud on top of clay.
Expecting quads to hurt.

Drinking beer and endorphin buzzin. I should run more races!


Awesome time man! It was a night race?


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05/30/13 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not night, Ha. would have been much slower.

I'm happy to break 8 pace offroad. Especially with 5k hill followed by 1k murderous muddy hill and back. I suck at hills but got through it
Quads, calves, abs are all feeling that downhill.

Plus I feel like I didn't leave much left, so good race.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
05/31/13 08:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got to San Diego today for the marathon on Sunday! Pretty excited about it. My longest training run was 20 miles, and it hurt more than anything else ever. But I did it on a "rail trail" that was a different surface than I'm used to, not too worried. I'm in the 4:45 corral, I just want to finish my first one and be proud of it, no Boston attempts for me, haha. I'll make a post Sunday saying how I did. Plus, San Diego is awesome so far!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/01/13 01:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy shit, has it really been a year since I did that race?


Go get it man! Be thankful you dont have to do that stint on Fiesta Island! \:D

Seriously though, have a great race!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/13 01:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got in 70 miles with 6800 feet of elevation this week, feel good for another 50k next weekend!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/02/13 02:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ended up doing the San Diego Rock'n'Roll Marathon in 4:49:34. I was in the 4:45 corral, not a bad guess then huh? It was my first marathon so it was interesting, though brutal on the body. It was my first marathon and I don't know if I'll do another one or not, I seem to really like the half-marathon distance.

Good God ampsman you run too much. :P Good job though and make another epic post about the 50k next weekend! I love reading those posts as I'm sure others do to.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/13 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Ended up doing the San Diego Rock'n'Roll Marathon in 4:49:34. I was in the 4:45 corral, not a bad guess then huh? It was my first marathon so it was interesting, though brutal on the body. It was my first marathon and I don't know if I'll do another one or not, I seem to really like the half-marathon distance.

Good God ampsman you run too much. :P Good job though and make another epic post about the 50k next weekend! I love reading those posts as I'm sure others do to.


Thats awesome man! Congrats! Once you rest a couple days you'll forget how much it hurt and be ready for another one. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/13 03:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man! Ampsman is right...once the pain wears off a little you'll start thinking how much faster you can do it next time. Guarantee it. \:D

Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/02/13 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol maybe. When I did my first half-marathon I couldn't imagine doing double that distance! Of course now I have go me. I only started running the beginning of last year, did my first half-marathon in October 2012, so I know it takes a long time to really get fast and all that. I still like the half-marathon distance though, go out and run for about 2 hours and go home, very reasonable! For me I feel good up until the half-marathon, after 15-17 miles my legs really start to hurt. Of course probably because I don't eat enough beforehand.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/13 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats on running your first full! I am dreading my first (planning for LA next March).

Ran at the Costa Mesa Community Run yesterday. Last year I ran the 5K course in 26:40. This year I ran the 10K in 49:26. Pretty excited to see my times drop. But waaay more hills than I remember. Next one is HB 5K in July.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/03/13 05:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man you got a ton of time to train, and you're already doing great! My best race 5k was 27:XX and 52:XX I believe for 10k. You're already doing better than me and you got 9 months to train yet! You're gonna smash that marathon in its face!

Lewis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/13 04:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm signed up for a 10k this weekendd, but I pulled/tore a muscle in my calf a week and a half ago and it's still hurting. TOTAL FAIL.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/13 05:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm such a shoe whore.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/13 09:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oooh, I've heard good things about those.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/13 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Good pickup.

Since Chris will be forcing me to eat crap tomorrow I managed to squeeze in an 11 mile run tonight. \:\)


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/08/13 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been going through the past 1-1.5 years of posts, very good info.

I just started running for the first time a couple months back. Nothing serious (maybe 2 miles per session, 2-3 times per week). The first 2-3 weeks were more like 20% running 80% walking, but I'm definitely seeing improvement.

Last week my brother asked if I wanted to run a half-marathon with him in late September so I said "sure"!
Started the Hal Higdon plan and just finished the first 4-miler this morning:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51131/Half-Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program

So far so good, expected aches & pains I suppose, but I'm having a blast. I was planning on just repeating week 7 or so until the remaining weeks line up with the upcoming half. Does this seem like a reasonable plan?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/13 09:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Race report coming later.
Finished in 4:31 and busted up my knee cap after face planting at mile 22.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/13 10:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice finish! Sucks about the crash...but you know chicks dig scars. \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/13 10:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice finish! Sucks about the crash...but you know chicks dig scars. \:D



Hopefully its just superficial...it hurts like a mutha and is really swollen right now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/13 12:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I bet you were running on adrenaline the last 8, eh? I bet its gonna feel real good when you wake up in the morning. \:D

Did you score some hardware with that time?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/13 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What a day.
So this race was kind of a last minute sign up, I had been feeling good and had put in 70 miles the week before so I thought I might as well get out there and see what I could do.
I was supposed to run this same course last year but the race got cancelled the a couple of days before because the company that ran it went out of business.
The course follows the skyline to the sea trail thru the santa cruz mountains.
You start on skyline boulevard on the inland side of the mountains and run to the ocean.
Theres about 3800 feet of elevation gain but a quad busting 5k+ of loss.
The wife dropped me off about 8:15 for the late 9am start that they scheduled.
Picked up my bib and dropped my final deuce before the race, felt pretty good.
The problem with a downhill, shady single track start is you tend to go out a bit to fast, especially when you start towards the front.
After knocking out 2 pretty quick miles I settled down and found a good pace.
It was a gorgeous morning, low 60's sunny and beautiful single track and the miles were ticking by pretty quick.
At about mile 4 I noticed that someone was pretty close behind me so I shouted out to let them know that they can cruise by if they need to. It was a woman and she said nope this pace is awesome, we started chatting a bit, I do most of my training alone so you forget how much easier a run can be when you are having conversation with someone. Right before the first aid at about 6 out of the blue I feel 2 stings on my leg, one by my knee and one right above my sock, I figure it must have been bees or yellow jackets, but the little sting or bites stuck with me for most of the race. I kept cruising with the lady till about mile 7 or so when we hit some good hills and I pulled ahead a bit, when we got to the top I looked back and she was right behind me again. We hit the next aid at about 11 and started a pretty technical downhill section, at one point I rolled my ankle a bit and stopped for a second and she pulled ahead of me. I knew I just need to run it off so I kept moving and about a quarter mile later I was good to go and had caught up to her.
There was a marathon as well as a 50k, so at the 15 mile aid station the marathoners kept going straight and the 50k did a 5 mile loop. I took an extra couple seconds at this aid station to pound a gu and some gummy bears so she took off a bit ahead of me for one of the biggest climbs of the race. I caught up to her and she looked super strong so I just cruised behind her, we made a big dent on the lead of a couple guys in front of us on the that loop.
We hit the same aid station from mile 15 after the loop, we were at about 20 miles at that point and had 8 miles till the next aid station. We had another climb right away and I could tell that she was hurting and she told me that she was feeling like she was going to start cramping and I should go ahead, I cruised past her but she tucked right in and hung with me. After about a mile we hit another awesome downhill technical section of singe track and she went ahead of me at some point right after we started that.
I was actually feeling really good at this point and knew I could push a little harder was just really enjoying myself when BOOOM!
Its pretty amazing how fast you can hit the ground, its not like I tripped and stumbled and fell, I was up one second and the next sliding face first over rocks and tree roots.
I was about 10 feet behind the lady in front of me and she immediately stops and was asking if I'm ok.
At that point I really had no idea so I got up and did a quick inventory.
Right Knee hurt really bad and blood was already half way down to my sock, my right forearm felt beat up but not bleeding.
No broken bones that I could see.
I told her to keep going and that I would catch up with her, she seemed hesitant but I insisted.
I knew I was about 6 miles still from the next aid station, so I had no choice but to keep moving. Started walking first and it hurt pretty bad, well if walking hurts how much worse could running hurt? I started a slow jog and it didnt feel much worse, ok what if I pick it up a bit...about the same and starting to feel better. After about a half mile I wasnt feeling to much pain other than some stiffness, at this point blood is soaking the top of my sock so I just tried not to look at it.
I ended up catching up this guy that I had passed earlier and then had passed me later and he was hobbling along, turns out he rolled his ankle pretty bad not much earlier.
He was running his first 50k and was determined to finish so I told him that I wold cruise with him for a bit but he got to the point where he was having to walk alot so he told me to go ahead and he promised he would catch up.
I started cruising feeling pretty good and caught up with the lady I had been running with, I could tell she was hurting bad but still moving at a decent pace so I settled in with her.
Next thing I know the guy with the bad ankle comes cruising up behind us, he was shouting expletives and looked like he was about to die.
We had about 5 miles left at this point and I was thinking about pushing ahead but realized I really want to cross the finish line with these guys.
We hit the last aid station after what felt like an eternity, it was only about 2 miles from the finish and I was thinking about cruising thru but I had been out of water for about 3 miles and was feeling pretty dehydrated. I got half a bottle and we started out for the home stretch.
Gimpy ankle guy really started pushing for the finish so he took the lead with the lady right behind him and me behind her.
We crossed the finish in that same order and I didnt realize how toasted I was until I finished and almost had to drop to my knees.
I came in just over 4:31, my goal was 4:30 so not to bad. \:\)
I was 4th in my age group, about a minute behind 3rd and 8th overall out of about 170 people.
The lady I ran with ended up first overall for the woman, we gave a big hug when she found out.
I found a park ranger and she bandaged be up and I hung out and watched some more finishers.
The knee was getting stiffer and stiffer so I tried to keep moving, my wife and kids were meeting me at the beach just down the road so I made the half mile trek down there and was greeted by my wife giving me the typical WTF happened to you look.
I then enjoyed an incredible couple hours at the beach with the fam, wife had packed a cooler with beers and snacks. Fucking awesome.
So now I sit here at work with a knee cap thats about twice as big as the other one and a gash that is still bleeding, I have a 3pm appt with my regular doctor to get it checked out. Hoping for the best. \:\(


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/13 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man I probably would have called it quits at the first sign of blood. Congrats on powering through.

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
I've been going through the past 1-1.5 years of posts, very good info.

I just started running for the first time a couple months back. Nothing serious (maybe 2 miles per session, 2-3 times per week). The first 2-3 weeks were more like 20% running 80% walking, but I'm definitely seeing improvement.

Last week my brother asked if I wanted to run a half-marathon with him in late September so I said "sure"!
Started the Hal Higdon plan and just finished the first 4-miler this morning:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51131/Half-Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program

So far so good, expected aches & pains I suppose, but I'm having a blast. I was planning on just repeating week 7 or so until the remaining weeks line up with the upcoming half. Does this seem like a reasonable plan?


Seems like a good plan to me. As long as you're having fun. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/13 12:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Heres a pic of the knee.





Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/13 02:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fantastic report. It reminds me of one of the reasons I love these races...the friendly people. Nobody in an ultra is going run by or not stop for a downed runner...he'll even one that just looks tired. I think Id like to do that race next year....I love that area.


I was just browsing ultrasignup last night. I think I'm going to sign up for the Bootlegger 50k in Boulder City NV in the fall. Only a month after IM Tahoe, but I really want to race on trails.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/13 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Fantastic report. It reminds me of one of the reasons I love these races...the friendly people. Nobody in an ultra is going run by or not stop for a downed runner...he'll even one that just looks tired. I think Id like to do that race next year....I love that area.


I was just browsing ultrasignup last night. I think I'm going to sign up for the Bootlegger 50k in Boulder City NV in the fall. Only a month after IM Tahoe, but I really want to race on trails.


There is another race on the same course in October.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/13 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is at the final aid station, about 2 miles from the finish.



Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/12/13 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks to me that you're losing to a girl! ;\) But seriously, I bet that was fun having blood run down your leg while running. You're on tough mother!

I just ran for the first time in 1.5 weeks (since the marathon) was 6 miles I did it in 58 minutes. Could feel some soreness, my right calf was really not appreciating the effort. Glad to be back running. I jumped right back into training. This time I am doing the Relentless Forward Progress 50k on 50m a week plan. I had to cut off the first like 6 weeks or something though. Got my 50k on October 5th so we'll see how this all goes. My plan for this one is just to finish and not try to run it all, I'll take my backpack along and just want to survive. Walk hills, jog downhills and try to run the flats.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/13 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Looks to me that you're losing to a girl! ;\) But seriously, I bet that was fun having blood run down your leg while running. You're on tough mother!

I just ran for the first time in 1.5 weeks (since the marathon) was 6 miles I did it in 58 minutes. Could feel some soreness, my right calf was really not appreciating the effort. Glad to be back running. I jumped right back into training. This time I am doing the Relentless Forward Progress 50k on 50m a week plan. I had to cut off the first like 6 weeks or something though. Got my 50k on October 5th so we'll see how this all goes. My plan for this one is just to finish and not try to run it all, I'll take my backpack along and just want to survive. Walk hills, jog downhills and try to run the flats.




Thats what my wife said.
Turns out this girl is a 3:10 marathoner and set the womens course record this day.

October is a ways away, still time to get some good training in.
But yes...the first 50k should be all about just finishing, I learner that the hard way with my DNF.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/12/13 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha that's awesome your wife giving you a hard time as well. Let her know CSi is fully capable of doing it. :P

Also, well, in that case, she'd be halfway done her second marathon by the time I finished my first, haha.

Yeah man I'm looking forward to, as well as dreading, all the training. Numerous 18+ milers, but I'll probably just turn these into half-day ordeals where I don't care specifically about doing it quick like I did with marathon training. Gotta get into a different perspective in my head. I really suck at trying to keep my pace down to be able to go further, I always go out running too fast lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/13 02:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
This is at the final aid station, about 2 miles from the finish.



Fantastic shot. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/13 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Fantastic report. It reminds me of one of the reasons I love these races...the friendly people. Nobody in an ultra is going run by or not stop for a downed runner...he'll even one that just looks tired. I think Id like to do that race next year....I love that area.


I was just browsing ultrasignup last night. I think I'm going to sign up for the Bootlegger 50k in Boulder City NV in the fall. Only a month after IM Tahoe, but I really want to race on trails.


There is another race on the same course in October.
. Bootlegger is Nov 9th. I should do both. \:\)


**DONOTDELETE**
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06/12/13 03:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm a pusssy and didn't run


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/14/13 06:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My quest to do a half in under 2 hours is nearly there. 11 miles today... 99 minutes. Hope to break the barrier by mid July.

**DONOTDELETE**
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06/14/13 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whats your current routine? Doing any intervals? Or slightly fastet than goal pace runs?
11@ 99 is great. Yourr pretty much there?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/14/13 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
My quest to do a half in under 2 hours is nearly there. 11 miles today... 99 minutes. Hope to break the barrier by mid July.


Nice job Kent! Doing back to back longer runs will help you deal with the fatigue in those last 2 or 3 miles when your pace will start to fall off.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/13 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Fantastic report. It reminds me of one of the reasons I love these races...the friendly people. Nobody in an ultra is going run by or not stop for a downed runner...he'll even one that just looks tired. I think Id like to do that race next year....I love that area.


I was just browsing ultrasignup last night. I think I'm going to sign up for the Bootlegger 50k in Boulder City NV in the fall. Only a month after IM Tahoe, but I really want to race on trails.


There is another race on the same course in October.
. Bootlegger is Nov 9th. I should do both. \:\)


Do it!!
Finally able to run this weekend after 5 days off because of my knee, still pretty tight and big lump on my knee cap but its definitely feeling better.
Gonna try and knock out 50 miles before saturday and then do a 30k on saturday.
Oh and those scott's are freaking awesome.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/13 01:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Whats your current routine? Doing any intervals? Or slightly fastet than goal pace runs?
11@ 99 is great. Yourr pretty much there?


Thanks - I'm mostly doing easy runs during the week with one big run Friday nights. Then take it easy over the weekend. Every week I try to run a little longer or a little faster.

Chris - Sounds like good advice. Though I'm scared as hell that I might pull something. \:\(


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/13 09:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Okay...getting off my "injury high horse" and starting my training for the 10 mile race in October. I've decided that I cannot complete 10 miles in minimalist shoes, so recommendations on trainers please? I cannot run in soft shoes like the Kinvara line, I need something firm but with cushion.

I know Mr. Mom loves the Kwicky Blades...anything else from you all? I'd like to not break the bank if possible. Going to the local running store Friday.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/20/13 12:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been running quite a few miles in the Brooks Pure Connect. I really like them...they're a bit roomier in the toebox than most of my other shoes.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/20/13 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ya the brooks pure line is pretty awesome as far as lightweight but still sort of cushioned shoes go.
that reminds me...i need to get a new pair of pure flows for the road.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
06/20/13 07:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
ya the brooks pure line is pretty awesome as far as lightweight but still sort of cushioned shoes go.
that reminds me...i need to get a new pair of pure flows for the road.

I'll check them out tomorrow. Have they redesigned the shoes? Last time I tried on a pair of Brooks pure line (I believe) it felt like there was a ball under my forefoot. Very uncomfortable feeling.

EDIT: Are they cushioned enough for a marathon? What do you run your Ironman's in Mr. Mom?


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/21/13 08:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I started out using the Brooks PureConnect, I have since been using the Brooks PureConnect 2 and I think they are great shoes. I use them on the road and the pair I'm using now I ran my marathon in along with having probably 200 miles on them now. They're still in great shape and I'd recommend anyone checking them out.

MonkeyStillAlive
(Post Master Sr)
06/21/13 08:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
Okay...getting off my "injury high horse" and starting my training for the 10 mile race in October. I've decided that I cannot complete 10 miles in minimalist shoes, so recommendations on trainers please? I cannot run in soft shoes like the Kinvara line, I need something firm but with cushion.

I know Mr. Mom loves the Kwicky Blades...anything else from you all? I'd like to not break the bank if possible. Going to the local running store Friday.

What race are you doing?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/13 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've done all my standalone marathons in various KSwiss shoes, but mostly the Blade Lights. Same with my wife. Even my dad and brother run in them now.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
06/21/13 06:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've yet to put a pair of Blades on. Don't think my local running store has them...might have to head down to the national chain and try them on \:\(


EDIT: What about Newton or Pearl Izumi? I thought you ran in those Mr. Mom.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/13 02:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went with the Pure Cadence2. Going to start slow with 1-2 mile runs, 3 mins run to 1 min walk. I want to really ease into the tempo of running and hope to stave off any lower leg pain.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/13 02:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Back 5
I've yet to put a pair of Blades on. Don't think my local running store has them...might have to head down to the national chain and try them on \:\(


EDIT: What about Newton or Pearl Izumi? I thought you ran in those Mr. Mom.


I picked up a pair of these PI's a few weeks ago and have been doing half my runs in them. Very similar to the Zoot shoes I've raced in in the past, but even better. I really like them.



Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/13 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The running guy I know at the local store recommended I stick with a single shoe for now until my legs get fit enough to where I can run consistently without any pain/injury/set-back etc. At that point, he said to come back and he will get me into multiple pairs to run/train in etc.

I thought running was easy? Maybe it's a mental thing with me and my fear of injuring my legs again as well as all my knee surgeries etc or I just pushed too fast too quickly earlier this year with my mileage.

I'm really hoping I can run pain free.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/22/13 08:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot, new house comes with a lake membership. Legs are beat from running, squats and cycling so today, I got to kayak:



2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/13 12:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey guys, just checking in with some updates:

1. http://clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/294598/Number/7067043#Post7067043 the part of the race report mentioning the muscles behind my right knee proved to be more serious than expected. Doctor thought it could be either a Baker's cyst, a torn hamstring or a combination of the two. An MRI last week showed it to be a Baker's cyst, which is great news, but still necessitated six weeks off running and missing the TNF DC 50 in early June. I've "run" the past two days though without too much issue, so I think I'm back. Whether I have enough time to prepare for Leadville is TBD, but I'm going to give it a shot.

2. I'm typing this from a half-moved-into apartment in Steamboat Springs. I haven't had a chance to see much of the town yet but I'm loving the area and the people I've met so far. I "ran" for 47 minutes yesterday and it was hard to tell whether things were so hard because of my 6 weeks off (cross training just didn't happen like it should've) or it just being day 2 at altitude (~6,800')

3. Huge brag post: my girlfriend ran her first marathon yesterday. She's a pretty driven and focused person/runner so she set her sights high and was aiming for a BQ time (3:35) with realistic hopes of 3:2X. When she came down with a stubborn summer cold/virus 1.5 weeks before the race she thought about dropping out since she was really looking to run hard and not "just finish" but made the trip in the end. Long story short, she ran a 3:19:42 at her first marathon! And that was with a cramping calf at mile 25. Her pace dropped from 7:34 to 8:48 for that final 1.2 miles despite feeling fresh enough to run it in for a fast finish. Definitely left 90-120 seconds out there because of that. She's already talking about sub 3:10 for her next race. Dang.

That's about it I suppose. Reading back through the last page or so makes it sound like everyone is doing well and enjoying early summer training! Enjoy it


Sir Ironpool
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06/23/13 03:00 PM
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That's an impressive time for sure. I thought my wife's 3:29 at Boston of hardly any training was crazy, but your girl is dang fast. Of course, she's probably like 25 and hasn't had 3 kids either.

Bummer about the knee. Sucks that our bodies have to give us those reality checks sometime. I'm feeling less than motivated these days and slow to boot. \:\( Only been averaging 35 miles a week running and like 80 on thd bike. Hoping this weekends festivities at Squaw will jump start things. IM Tahoe will be here real soon.

Still planning on signing up for that Bootlegger 50k in November though.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/13 09:42 PM
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That sucks about having to take so much time off but at least its something that should heal up, and holy shit your gf kicks major ass.
Leadville is only a couple months away isnt it? I hope you're able to get out there and finish it.

I did a 30k yesterday down in santa cruz, it looked easy on paper with about 3k of elevation but there was some gnarly climbs and my knee really started barkin on the downhills. All in all it was a pretty fun run though, perfect weather, some beautiful trails and we crossed a waist deep river twice...found out my shoes drain very well.
Finished in 2:38, good for 5th overall and 3rd in my age group...I was only 7 minutes off the previous course record.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/13 01:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Some cool updates in here. Anyone run Mammoth this weekend? My brother spent the day in the ER after over-using his knee. He's fine but not definitely not the venue to be running your first half.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/13 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wow...just looked at the course info, thats some crazy downhill.
No wonder his knees are shot.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/13 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
That sucks about having to take so much time off but at least its something that should heal up, and holy shit your gf kicks major ass.
Leadville is only a couple months away isnt it? I hope you're able to get out there and finish it.

I did a 30k yesterday down in santa cruz, it looked easy on paper with about 3k of elevation but there was some gnarly climbs and my knee really started barkin on the downhills. All in all it was a pretty fun run though, perfect weather, some beautiful trails and we crossed a waist deep river twice...found out my shoes drain very well.
Finished in 2:38, good for 5th overall and 3rd in my age group...I was only 7 minutes off the previous course record.


Nice work! That's a solid result for sure.

And yeah, please keep your fingers crossed for me. I have family and friends coming out this year for Leadville and 7.5 weeks and counting to get ready is a little scary. There's a real possibility of sitting this one out, maybe pacing my buddy Jeff who's running it again.

Chris, what happened to your motivation and speed?? Too much time training for triathlons or what? \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/13 02:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


Chris, what happened to your motivation and speed?? Too much time training for triathlons or what? \:\(


I'm really not sure what it is. I think part of it is that the kids are out of school now, so my normal steady routine of daily runs has really taken a hit and I have to squeeze them in whenever I can. Throw in the fact that the wife is working crazy hours and has been out of town a bit lately and its just wearing on me. Could be worse...I could just not like running anymore, but in this case its the opposite.

I was also fighting a stomach bug all this week too, and barely ate anything for like 4 days and still insisted on getting out to run, and I'm sure you can imagine how that went.


The good news is that I have this epic weekend at States coming up in 2 days, and then next weekend we start our week-long family vacation up in the same area in some fairly remote cabins with epic mountain biking and trail running along with lots of lounging in the river. I have a feeling its going to recharge the batteries a bit. Then I can get a solid 10 week build in for Tahoe IM.


Ampsman in Extremis
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06/26/13 10:48 AM
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I feel ya about the summer schedules for the kids...been nuts.
I think 90% of my running these days is when the kids are asleep, either 5am or like 10pm. Still managing some decent miles though and am over 1000 for the year.
That will be good to get some training at elevation, ever think about renting a hyperbaric chamber?
I'm so jealous of your western states pacing, going to be awesome.

I just signed up for a 6 hour run thats a week from saturday, its a 3.3 mile loop that you just pound for 6 hours.
I'm going to try and get 40 miles but I'm worried about melting down mentally from the monotony.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/13 11:14 AM
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Have had two good days of bike/run bricks that didn't feel too bad. Did a 6 mile test run last night with my new hydration vest and it should work really well. I leave for Tahoe tonight. Montrail 6k race is 10am tomorrow.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/13 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Have had two good days of bike/run bricks that didn't feel too bad. Did a 6 mile test run last night with my new hydration vest and it should work really well. I leave for Tahoe tonight. Montrail 6k race is 10am tomorrow.


what did you end up getting?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/13 02:45 PM
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Got the Surf City 5K in a week. Hoping to do a sub-23 but will be happy doing anything under 24:30.



Not sure about everyone else, but when schedules get crazy I just takes kids with me to gym with me. Treadmill isn't my favorite training spot but I guess it could be worse.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/13 04:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Have had two good days of bike/run bricks that didn't feel too bad. Did a 6 mile test run last night with my new hydration vest and it should work really well. I leave for Tahoe tonight. Montrail 6k race is 10am tomorrow.


what did you end up getting?


I got the Ultraspire Surge. It has slightly more capacity which I thought I might need as our section will be heading into nighttime. Room for headlamp, flashlight, lightweight top, etc.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/13 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Got the Surf City 5K in a week. Hoping to do a sub-23 but will be happy doing anything under 24:30.



Not sure about everyone else, but when schedules get crazy I just takes kids with me to gym with me. Treadmill isn't my favorite training spot but I guess it could be worse.


Good luck Kent...race hard!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/13 03:53 PM
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Got my 6 hour on saturday.
I've been trying to prep for the mental aspect of it.
The other night I did ten 1 mile loops around my neighborhood.
Then on sunday I went out at 1pm in 98 degree heat and did seven 2.25 mile loops at a local park.
Fuck me this race is going to suck.
Oh they will have a live webcast of the start/finish line!
http://www.ultrasportslive.tv/
I dont know what my bib # is yet though.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/13 06:03 PM
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You're insane man...I know my brain couldnt handle that.

RedACR
(Post Master Sr)
07/02/13 06:14 PM
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They should call the Brooks pureconnect "pureawesome".
ive been on them for a month or so and im loving them. i think that
cushiony bump in the midfoot helped a ton with some bad heel pain
that ive been dealing with for months.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/05/13 09:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a 10k race yesterday morning and decided not to eat/drink prerace as I wanted to see how I'd do running purely on glycogen stores.

My previous PR for a 10k was 57:20 around 8 months ago. Since then I've been running a lot more and ended up with a roughly 50:35, not sure of official time. I am pretty stoked about this, with the right weather/a little more recovery since before my last run I'd be able to sub 50 min a 10k. Lately I've been running 10:30 pace because of the heat so this was a welcome race.

I also just signed up for LA Fitness last weekend and going to start working on strength training, excited to improve my overall fitness.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/06/13 06:29 PM
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Full race report to come later.
All I can say is I ran with headphones for the first time ever during a race and I think it saved my sanity.
The race was at Point Pinole up near Oakland right on the water so cold and brutal winds when we first started, winds stayed pretty strong thru the day.
3.37 mile loops and then after 5 hours they open up a .74 mile loop that you can run, you have to complete a loop for it to count towards your distance.
I ended up with 11 laps of the big loop and 7 laps of the little loop for a total of 42.27 miles with about 1700 feet elevation.
I was 4th overall, 3rd place overall among males and I beat the old course record by almost 2 miles.
Pretty incredible day, i pushed myself farther physically and mentally then I ever have before and felt like I came out pretty good.


Sir Ironpool
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07/07/13 12:19 AM
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Nice job man... That's pretty damn impressive!

Ampsman in Extremis
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07/07/13 09:38 PM
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Thanks! I really had no idea what to expect and no idea about strategy for this type of race, do you bank miles early while you are strong or go easy and steady the whole time? I kind of picked a middle ground and felt like I was going strong but not to crazy, I did end up running PR's for marathon, 30k and 50k for this race though.
Heres a glamour shot.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/07/13 11:35 PM
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Congrats guys. Great times and mileage!

Completed the Surf City 5K last Thurs in 23:21. Pretty stoked to beat my previous time by over a minute.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/08/13 12:18 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Design
Congrats guys. Great times and mileage!

Completed the Surf City 5K last Thurs in 23:21. Pretty stoked to beat my previous time by over a minute.
Good job bro.


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/13 06:40 PM
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I have a goal to run a 20 minute 5k on a treadmill. Gonna be pretty tough, getting about 2.5 miles in 20 minutes now @ 7.5mph, heart rate gets to 170ish.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/13 03:43 PM
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Any reason you want to do it on a treadmill? That sounds like torture.
I did 15.5 in just under 2 hours today, legs are definitely still feeling the 42 from last weekend so I am pretty happy with that.
Running when I feel like shit is getting less shitty.


ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/13 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Any reason you want to do it on a treadmill? That sounds like torture.
I did 15.5 in just under 2 hours today, legs are definitely still feeling the 42 from last weekend so I am pretty happy with that.
Running when I feel like shit is getting less shitty.


I do it over lunch breaks, I changed jobs and have to drive to a gym now so options are limited. \:\( I figure 20 minutes on the treadmill probably translates to more like 23 minutes outside, which is faster than I've ran a 5k so I'll be happy.


2000SiRacer
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07/24/13 09:27 PM
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I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/13 02:18 PM
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well that looks slightly technical.

**DONOTDELETE**
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07/25/13 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Any reason you want to do it on a treadmill? That sounds like torture.
I did 15.5 in just under 2 hours today, legs are definitely still feeling the 42 from last weekend so I am pretty happy with that.
Running when I feel like shit is getting less shitty.


I do it over lunch breaks, I changed jobs and have to drive to a gym now so options are limited. \:\( I figure 20 minutes on the treadmill probably translates to more like 23 minutes outside, which is faster than I've ran a 5k so I'll be happy.

I don't agree. I know treamills are easier, but I actually find pacing runs harder on them. I'd much rather run a 23 minute outdoor than a 20 minute treadmill, or even a 22 minute treadmill. Maybe it's the cooling, idk.

They're different movements at the end of the day, and the more used to one or the other the relative ease varies.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/13 03:17 PM
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 Originally Posted By: ampsman
well that looks slightly technical.


Tony was holding a legit running cadence when he flew past me on the section in the first picture. Major reality check. You start thinking you're fit as you go roaring past tourists and weekend hikers and then something like that happens and you realize the top guys are on an entirely different plane and you're the overweight day hiker to him haha


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/26/13 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
well that looks slightly technical.


Tony was holding a legit running cadence when he flew past me on the section in the first picture. Major reality check. You start thinking you're fit as you go roaring past tourists and weekend hikers and then something like that happens and you realize the top guys are on an entirely different plane and you're the overweight day hiker to him haha


I've had those delusions as well.
What really gets me is how these guys kill it on the technical downhill also, 5:30 pace with rocks and tree roots.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/26/13 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


I don't know how you run on that shit. I hate just having to run on the gravel on the side of the road, lol.


Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/13 08:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm training (ie:trying to get my lower legs ready) for a 10 mile race in October. Should I continue to weight train heavy if I'm wanting to distance run? Or should I slow down (lighten up) the weights?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/13 03:39 PM
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Weights are only going to help you so much with running. If you're actually trying to race the 10 miler, then IMO that time in the gym is far better spent training on the road.

Back 5
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/13 06:00 PM
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Well, I plan on lifting in the morning and will run in the evening. I think I will start to lighten up the lifting. Going heavy on squats and deads will leave me feeling fairly sore and won't be able to run properly.

Guess you can't really powerlift and work on distance running at the same time \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/13 02:00 AM
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Coming to the end of a month of hectic schedules and family vacations...and I'm desperately trying to hit 100 miles for the month. I havent been under 100 miles in over 2 years.

12 last night, 9 tonight....and I need to do 23 in the next two days.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/13 12:12 PM
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I feel ya...sucks that the peak of racing season is when anyone with a family usually has the least time to train.
I have my 50 in 7 weeks so I need to kick it up!
Of course this morning I get hit with IT band pain and had to limp home the last mile. \:\(
Never had any issues before so not sure whats going on, but it has to be IT band.
It was on the outside side of my knee and there was some hip pain also.
Gonna ice and roll tonight and try running with an IT band strap tomorrow morning.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/13 04:47 PM
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I've been slowing down as well. 9 miles last Friday, 3 miles Sunday, and probably 4 miles tonight. Trying to kick up the endurance in preparation for two half marathons in October.

 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff

I do it over lunch breaks, I changed jobs and have to drive to a gym now so options are limited. \:\( I figure 20 minutes on the treadmill probably translates to more like 23 minutes outside, which is faster than I've ran a 5k so I'll be happy.


If you're like me then you get your workouts in whenever you can. Between work and family, gym is the only opportunity I get to run (besides a couple open Friday nights a month). I'm not sure if you feel slightly removed from the running experience. I sure as hell do. But as I've said the gym solves several challenges with family and schedules. And I've always been somewhat of a multitasker.


Ampsman in Extremis
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08/01/13 12:21 PM
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Woohoo! Registered for the Quad DipSea race! 28.2 miles and 9200 feet elevation!



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 02:21 PM
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Dang, jealous! How'd you get in? It's a lottery, right?


I'm at 40 miles for the last 4 days, plus 60 miles on the bike. Feels pretty good.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 02:23 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Dang, jealous! How'd you get in? It's a lottery, right?


I'm at 40 miles for the last 4 days, plus 60 miles on the bike. Feels pretty good.




12 spots left!!

http://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=22653


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 02:46 PM
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Just signed up, bastard!


I know I can't keep up with you on the climbs, but we can high five at the turnaround. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 03:02 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Just signed up, bastard!


I know I can't keep up with you on the climbs, but we can high five at the turnaround. \:D


Woohoo!! So pumped!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 07:26 PM
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You guys are so cute. I want a local ClubSi running buddy too! \:\(

Lividentity
(Major Member)
08/01/13 08:14 PM
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Man that elevation profile looks intense! Good luck on it. I'm thinking my 50k with ~5500 feet is going to suck, lol.

2000, no one around here that I know of running, all those guys are across the damn country of course. We should all sign up for the same race sometime lol.

I'm doing good so far this year, over 750 miles at the end of July, will definitely hit my 1000 goal which I'm excited about! Still training for my 50k in October, but I really need to get into strength training, signed up for a gym but I don't know many exercises so starting to look into that.


**DONOTDELETE**
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08/01/13 10:10 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Weights are only going to help you so much with running. If you're actually trying to race the 10 miler, then IMO that time in the gym is far better spent training on the road.

Depends on what race means to you...
I'm a slow runner regardless, so weights don't slow me down much.

Racing is challenging myself, I'm never going to make a podium or age bracket top 3. So I don't find the two exclusive. Even if I stopped hitting the weights for a month I'd probably be 15lbs heavier than a "racer".

Personally I don't buy in the exclusive thing for most people. Sure, it works for you. But to lots of us running/cycling is one part of what we want to accomplish. Yeah you can accomplish in one are more by being dedicated, but it's take years of focus. Somone wanting to run 4-5 10 milers and still improve their times? They can lift. Just watch how they use their legs, and make sure they're giving themselves enough recover times.

Fwiw. I ran a 12 miler trail run on a whim within weeks of my PR in bench press and deadlifts. My 12 was slow for a runner, and my bench is light for a lifter, but I like being able to push myself in multiple facets.

There's no reason you can't run a 10 miler while regularly lifting.


**DONOTDELETE**
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08/01/13 10:13 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Man that elevation profile looks intense! Good luck on it. I'm thinking my 50k with ~5500 feet is going to suck, lol.

2000, no one around here that I know of running, all those guys are across the damn country of course. We should all sign up for the same race sometime lol.

I'm doing good so far this year, over 750 miles at the end of July, will definitely hit my 1000 goal which I'm excited about! Still training for my 50k in October, but I really need to get into strength training, signed up for a gym but I don't know many exercises so starting to look into that.

I tried to get Chris to do a 50km up here, but he was all talk! It was 5 hours away so I didn't bother, and stopped training.

Mr Mom it's your fault I stopped running!!!

SEriously though, I'm jelloc of the running buddy. But my mate here just pictched me two trail halfs. I think he wanted to do one, but I'm thinking Both.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/13 11:56 PM
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Next year is going to be an ultra focus year for sure, so lets find a race up there! I know Donnie is game...especially if its within a few hundred miles of Jenn Shelton. \:D


The Quad Dipsea is scaring me now. I know it will be fun, but shit those steps look brutal!


Just tacked another 10 miler onto my streak. 50 miles in 5 days. I'm going to shoot for 70, which would be my highest week ever.


**DONOTDELETE**
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08/02/13 01:20 AM
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Do a rainshadow race between July and sept. Those are our good months. I'll do it too(at about 2 min slower per mile). It'll be memorable

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/02/13 05:28 PM
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You got it. We're planning a trip to go visit friends in Vancouver, so I'll look for something then.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
08/02/13 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Man that elevation profile looks intense! Good luck on it. I'm thinking my 50k with ~5500 feet is going to suck, lol.

2000, no one around here that I know of running, all those guys are across the damn country of course. We should all sign up for the same race sometime lol.

I'm doing good so far this year, over 750 miles at the end of July, will definitely hit my 1000 goal which I'm excited about! Still training for my 50k in October, but I really need to get into strength training, signed up for a gym but I don't know many exercises so starting to look into that.


I don't know where "here" is for you, but I'm interested in a ClubSi race somewhere. Maybe 2014.


**DONOTDELETE**
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08/02/13 10:24 PM
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 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Man that elevation profile looks intense! Good luck on it. I'm thinking my 50k with ~5500 feet is going to suck, lol.

2000, no one around here that I know of running, all those guys are across the damn country of course. We should all sign up for the same race sometime lol.

I'm doing good so far this year, over 750 miles at the end of July, will definitely hit my 1000 goal which I'm excited about! Still training for my 50k in October, but I really need to get into strength training, signed up for a gym but I don't know many exercises so starting to look into that.


I don't know where "here" is for you, but I'm interested in a ClubSi race somewhere. Maybe 2014.


One of this guy's races:
http://rainshadow-running.blogspot.com/


SharpSpoon
(Post Master Sr)
08/04/13 02:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


If you are ever in Vancouver, Grouse Grind is very much the same. Once at the top you have a great view of the ocean and city.


Ran my fastest 1/2 marathon today, 1:44:48. I really wanted to beat 1:45 so I barely succeeded. Only my second time at that distance with my first being 1:50 a month ago. No clue how you guys run marathons+ as I am dead at a half.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
08/04/13 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SharpSpoon
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


If you are ever in Vancouver, Grouse Grind is very much the same. Once at the top you have a great view of the ocean and city.


Ran my fastest 1/2 marathon today, 1:44:48. I really wanted to beat 1:45 so I barely succeeded. Only my second time at that distance with my first being 1:50 a month ago. No clue how you guys run marathons+ as I am dead at a half.


Good job Sharp! It is all a matter of how you look at it and training yourself for it. The first half marathon I did I was like yeah I have no need to run longer than that. Eventually you run more and want to run longer, or so it happened to me. I've now done 1 whole marathon and am signed up for a 50k. I'm not fast, nor do I have the experience these other guys do, but stick with it!

I will say I think the half is a great distance, the training doesn't take tons of time, the race itself is doable almost any day, and it doesn't destroy your body for days afterwards.

You're already faster than me, my first half was 2:18 and my 2nd was 1:50. My goal is to do one in sub-1:40 (aka under 100 minutes) just think that's a cool goal.

Now go sign up for another race! ;\)


Sir Ironpool
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08/04/13 03:44 PM
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Nice job man...1:44 is a great time!

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08/05/13 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


So this is more than Sanitas? I haven't been here yet...been taking it easy out around NCAR, myself. Sanitas is too much for my lardness.


2000SiRacer
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08/05/13 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I "ran" my first 50K on Saturday and got completely and utterly worked

I went into this with the idea that it would be a super mellow and relaxed day; my last long run before Leadville in two weeks (which I still harbor hopes of running this year, despite the two months of missed training this summer). The combination of 50K and "easy effort" lulled me into a false sense of "yeah, it'll be fine" and for breakfast I had a 1/3 cup of oatmeal, two fresh donuts and a big cup of coffee. I don't even recall drinking any water beforehand. This will be important later.

The race was the Mt Werner Classic which is a super slick course. You start at the base of the mountain and climb ~3,500' from 6,896 to 10,400 in the first 9.5 miles, then run a rolling out and back six miles to Long Lake before descending 3,500' to the finish.



Official site claims 6,300' of climb with most of the day spent at significant elevation. I have my doubts regarding that 6,300' but they link a Garmin route that measured 5,9XX' so maybe it's not far off.

Long story short, I knew not to expect an easy course but I was still determined to put in an easy effort. I made the initial climb (9.5 miles) in roughly 2:10 and then things started to deteriorate. My muscles didn't feel that sore or tired but I just couldn't find that low gear that allows you to grind out the miles forever. It didn't matter how slow I would go, if it was a running cadence by heart rate would shoot up and I'd start breathing hard - forcing me back to a walk in short order. In the end it took me 2:05 to cover the rolling 6 miles from Long Lake back to Storm Peak (compared to 2:10 to run the near continuous climbing in the first 9.5 miles).

There I am walking along, not feeling particularly bad but really unable to run for any sustained period. I'm drinking tons of water - I went through my 50oz bladder 3x plus Gatorade and/or Coke at every leisurely aid station stop - but I didn't have to pee. I peed once, 7:20 into the race and 15 minutes from the finish line, and it was dark. Upon review of the day and a little research it appears I went out there dehydrated and was unable to catch up in the sun at 10,000'. So, despite my muscles feeling fine, any sort of effort just shot up my heart rate and breathing to preposterous levels. It took a couple liters of water and a liter of coconut water before I could pee again after that.

One funny story from the day happened around mile 26; I came into the aid station with roughly five miles to go and this younger guy came in as I was getting ready to leave. He'd been trailing my most of the afternoon but hadn't passed me and when he came up with his creeper mustache and a really whiny "how much farther do I have to run??" to the volunteers I decided that I was drawing the proverbial line in the sand with this guy. I could come in second to last and be cool with it, as long as this guy finished behind me. I was finally able to hold a "run" for much of the last 5 miles (#downhill) and somehow finished 18 minutes(!) ahead of Mr. PedoStache McWhineyDouche. At the end of the day I crossed the finish line for my first 50K in 7:36 - a full 11 minutes faster than my 50 mile PR As bad as it was, I didn't flirt with the 9 hour course cutoff and finished 56/69th which is telling in its own right - 73% finish rate on a 50K that tries to dissuade first timers from running.

The post race festivities were fun. It's a super low key race with only 95 starters and maybe 20 stuck around for the awards ceremony since it had started to rain. I started chatting with this woman hawking Salomon gear at the finish tent - then they called her name for 1st female and it was Cassie Scallon (she's won JFK50, Bandera 100K, Sonoma 50, etc and is sponsored by Salomon). After I found out who she was I asked her how to fix one of the cords on my Salomon vest and she suggested I learn to sew. Thanks Cool coincidence as I met Trent Briney (2:12 marathoner, JFK 2nd this year, won Mt Werner last year) at Boulder Running Company two weeks ago. I forgot how many elite guys and gals you run into here. If I were 12 I would start an autograph book. But I'm not. So I won't

Two days later and I feel fine. Minimal soreness in the legs. I eased my pain by buying a new headlamp today. My current lamp (Petzl Tikka XP2) is great but at 80 lumens I've wanted something brighter since I first bought it - I just didn't see anything else that caught my eye until now. I'll hold on to it as a backup and for other uses but I sprung for the Petzl NAO, which I hadn't heard of until 24 hours ago, and looks AWESOME!

http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/headlamps/nao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZb3k_x067w

Pretty stoked about that and it should get here in a couple days so I'll have time to play with it before the 17th.

And finally, here are other people's photos of the course:


Started at the base and climbed to Storm Peak


Super manicured trail for parts of it, but plenty of loose rocks in other parts.

Blog with huge photos from the race last year



Mt Werner. I think it looks deceptively short because the summit is so far back from the base - it's really not a steep climb unless you're going straight up under the gondola lines. It's pretty mellow most of the way - average 7% grade for the first 9.5 miles with some parts steeper and some more shallow. Once you're up there though and looking down on hot air balloons which are themselves 2,500' above the valley floor, you get a sense for high you've climbed.


2000SiRacer
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08/05/13 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: BobBarker
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I've got a whole backlog of updates, but for now here's a Strava map of one my two all-time favorite routes from Boulder last year (the other being Sanitas). I always knew it was gnarly but the numbers surprised even me. I was in Boulder yesterday afternoon and had a chance to run it again so I've got a renewed curiosity in the route.

http://www.strava.com/segments/green-mountain-via-amphitheater-saddle-843314

1.9mi Distance
23.0% Avg Grade
5,796ft Lowest Elev
8,134ft Highest Elev
2,338ft Elev Difference




Even in my best shape last summer I'd be hiking most of this and it'd take ~48 minutes. The Sage Canadays and Krupicka's of the world are in the 28:30-29:30 range. Unreal.


So this is more than Sanitas? I haven't been here yet...been taking it easy out around NCAR, myself. Sanitas is too much for my lardness.


Oh yeah, it's an extra 1,000' of climbing over Sanitas. You should give it a shot though. There are more mellow routes to the top, the Amphi-Saddle Rock-Greenman is the steepest, but if you take Gregory to Greenman(I think?) it's much more gentle. Green is especially nice on hot, sunny days because you trade the killer views and exposure of Sanitas for tree cover 98% of the way up.

And if you start climbing it regularly you'll find your lardness disappears somewhere along the way


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08/05/13 02:47 PM
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Yeah, I just started running a regular easy 3 mile route around Boulder Reservoir/Coot Lake. That's all I can do for now, but already seeing progress in ability.

With my luck, I'll break myself on one of those trails. However, I did run a bit the other day through Bear Canyon...I found I concentrated less on how tired I was and if there were tough inclines and was able to keep going better than normal with some obstacles to negotiate.

Also, I can definitely go without the view in exchange for shade/cool air. I see plenty of views these days. Maybe I'll give it a shot, or even just take the doggie out there to hike it.

Congrats on the race...that looks pretty extreme, lol.


Sir Ironpool
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08/05/13 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All I can say is that Ill be praying for you at Leadville. \:D

2000SiRacer
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08/05/13 06:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: BobBarker
Yeah, I just started running a regular easy 3 mile route around Boulder Reservoir/Coot Lake. That's all I can do for now, but already seeing progress in ability.

With my luck, I'll break myself on one of those trails. However, I did run a bit the other day through Bear Canyon...I found I concentrated less on how tired I was and if there were tough inclines and was able to keep going better than normal with some obstacles to negotiate.

Also, I can definitely go without the view in exchange for shade/cool air. I see plenty of views these days. Maybe I'll give it a shot, or even just take the doggie out there to hike it.

Congrats on the race...that looks pretty extreme, lol.


Give it a hike and see what you think. Congrats on running regularly dude! At my peakest of fitness I could run up Sanitas but I'd end up hiking a huge chunk of Green - so no shame in going out with the dog and hiking to the top. The view west is pretty cool but I think the view of Boulder is better from Sanitas. Have you hiked the Royal Arch trail yet? If so, that's a must see. Gorgeous!

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
All I can say is that Ill be praying for you at Leadville. \:D


You said it dude

Right now my mindset is this: I'm not nearly as out of shape as a 7:36 50K sounds. Leadville is still a long shot but if there's any chance of a miracle happening I'm going to start it. The next two weeks are all about active recovery, sleep and nutrition. I did back to back 4+ hour runs last weekend and was encouraged by the results, especially after ~7 consecutive days of hour+ 1,500'+ runs leading up to that. I'm not where I want to be fitness wise but I'm not that bad off either.

That said, I've got two more races in 2013 that I've registered for and a third I'm probably going to do. If I'm really dying out there and it becomes clear Leadville just isn't in the cards this year, which I grant is real possibility, I'm comfortable with the idea of dropping out and looking forward to the rest of my season rather than running myself into the ground and potentially into another bone-headed injury. I'm especially interested in busting out of this rut and setting a new distance PR at JFK this November so I have other races to look forward to if this falls apart.

But with 355 lumens I figure I'll be able to blind the course into submission


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08/05/13 06:56 PM
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Thanks, and welcome to CO! I take it you're full-time resident, now? I haven't done Royal Arch, either...but will check it out. The Boulder trails are all a 10 mile drive away, so it's not always easy to just hop over there, although it's easy enough to do pretty regularly.

nato2377
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08/05/13 08:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
All I can say is that Ill be praying for you at Leadville. \:D


my buddy is out there now trying to get acclimated for the leadville 100 mtb race. i think he is screwed lol


Ampsman in Extremis
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08/12/13 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love your race reports.
Keep up updated about leadville! Sounds like after your last couple race reports you are due to go out there and kill it like you are capable of.
I'm 5 weeks out from my 50 miler and am still nursing some IT band issues, i was able to get in 46 miles last week despite the issues and am hoping to get in 60 this week and 70 the next two before tapering.
I did a 5k on saturday for the first time in over a year.
I decided to run to the race, about 8 miles, because the rest of our day was packed and I knew I wouldnt have time to get any miles in later.
It was a small race and I thought I might have a chance of placing before I got there, but I could tell there was some fast guys in the group so that thought quickly faded.
I decided to line up at the front and just go for it though.
I took off with the 2 guys I knew were going to be fast and was hanging with them and could tell I was pushing hard but didnt seem to crazy...well after about a half mile I'm like oh shit this is feeling rough already, look at my watch and we are running 5:18 pace.
That didnt last to much longer for me.
I ended up getting passed by 2 guys and ended up 5th overall and came in at 19:01.
My best 5k by a minute so I am happy about that.


Sir Ironpool
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08/12/13 01:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job!!!


I was able to squeeze in 32 miles in 3 days after my wife was out of town all week. 14 of those were yesterday and holy hell that run sucked! It was hot, windy, my MP3 player died 30 minutes in, and I was just hating life the whole time. Average was a pathetic 8:20 pace. \:\(

Of course, Im glad I did it, but still...


I suppose it was good practice for the sufferfest that will be my IM Tahoe run.


Impulsive
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08/12/13 02:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

More often that not, my runs are becoming increasingly shitty like that. It's been humid here, so I'm soaked in no time. My wireless headphones died, so the wired ones always get caught up on me somehow.

Biking into the wind is my biggest PITA. I feel like I'm trying to hard and not moving at all.


Impulsive
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08/16/13 10:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6K trail run + 2000 stairs yesterday.

Old pics from fall:





It's been humid here all year, I've never sweated so much. Soaked head to toe.


Sir Ironpool
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08/16/13 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You should come run the Quad Dipsea with Ampsman and I.

Something like 3000 steps over the course of 28 miles.



Impulsive
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08/16/13 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I'd physically die with a marathon, trail run, stair combo.



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08/16/13 03:26 PM
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For the week 50 miles on the bike(new record)
only 6 miles on feet, but I'm getting my pattern back up and trying to be gentle on my arches(plantar fascia problems if I ramp too fast)

ANd this weekend I have my first ever run with my dad. He was probably 100lbs overweight at his peak. Now he's probably barely "overweight" and sub 200. He says he can do 3 miles consistantly now(never been a runner at all, like I don't think I've ever heard of him running until last week), so we may go do an easy 3 of trails. SToked!


Sir Ironpool
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08/16/13 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's awesome. Im doing a 1.2 mile swim, 40ish mile bike and 13.1 mile run with my dad and two brothers up at Tahoe next Sunday as a training day/test race for the IM next month. Training with family is one of the best things ever.

Design
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08/20/13 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

HELL NO to stairs.

7 weeks until LB Half. Stepped up training to 20-25 miles a week. 5-6 miles every other day, followed by a longer 8-13 miler by end of week. Hoping I don't kill myself. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
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08/21/13 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 2000si do leadville? That was awesome seeing Sharman win that while doing the grand slam! He showed up at my first 50k I did back in April and set the course record by like 40 minutes.
I'm off to the sports therapist today to get my IT band issues worked on. \:\(
I've taken the last 3 days off and have been stretching and foam rolling every day and it feels good but I dont really know until I am 2-3 miles into a run how it really is.


Sir Ironpool
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08/21/13 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I stalked him on the results page and it looks like he DNF'd pretty early on.

Design
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08/23/13 10:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Squeezed out 13 miles tonight. 24 for the week. So far so good...

Corytrade
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08/24/13 12:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Son of a bitch, I was going for my a 12 miler today (it was gonna be my furthest run to date), and I was feeling really good. Right around mile 4, the bubble guts started kicking in. I had to call the wife to come and pick me up or else I was gonna shit my pants. Fuck, I even did my pre run ritual. Sadly, this isn't the first time this has happened, lol.

I'm just gonna retry tomorrow or Monday.


Impulsive
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08/24/13 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm an expert at running and holding. Hate it so much.

2000SiRacer
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08/24/13 02:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I stalked him on the results page and it looks like he DNF'd pretty early on.


Yep. I'm going to write up a report about it because I've got some pretty cool pictures, mostly from my friend Mark who was crewing, to share. I'll link that in here when it's done but here are the CN:

It became readily apparent very early on that the two months of missed training (5/12 through mid July) was just too much. I covered the first 24 miles a full ~27 minutes faster than last year but it was clear I was working too hard, too early. Shortly after Fish Hatchery my hamstrings tightened up and I hiked it in to Twin Lakes outbound (mile 40) to drop there. The important thing was not hurting myself again and I'm afraid pushing on to Winfield would've just been stubborn and dangerous to that goal. It was disappointing but an easy decision to make and not entirely surprising given the big block of no training at such a crucial point (although I really did believe I was going to be OK going in - it appears I have this ability to delude myself and go into events ill prepared with an abundance of self confidence haha. It's funny to watch because two weeks out I'll be nervous and realize I'm not ready but by race day I've slowly convinced myself that I'm golden. ). My buddy Jeff, who was also back for his second year, kicked ass and finished in 28:15 despite trashing his feet with blisters and hiking the last 30 miles.

I'm so sick and tired of having shit go wrong in races this year I'll be volunteering instead of running Run Rabbit Run on 9/15 and am not registering for UROC on 9/28 as planned. I'm seeing a PT here in town to correct some chronic issues (namely underdeveloped/weak butt and hamstrings, I'm very quad dominant) and my next scheduled race is JFK in three months. I've shifted my mindset from "run ALL the races" to picking a handful of events and really focusing on them. I hope to PR the 50 mile distance at JFK and the next big one after that is Leadville 2014. I've got high hopes for that as I'll be living and training at altitude for 12 months with insurance to cover PT appointments as needed.

Thanks for stalking me, Chris. I feel the love for real


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08/26/13 12:50 PM
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Uh oh, this is looking like a good idea....

Only doing 3 miles a week for July and 1/2 of August. 6 weeks to get ready...what could go wrong?
[img]http://www.flaglinetrailfest.com/bachelor-butte-trail-half/[/img]


Sir Ironpool
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08/26/13 04:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty stoked. Negative split by 4 minutes my 13.1 mile run on the IM Tahoe course after swimming 1.2 miles in a majorly rough lake with 3 foot wind chop, and riding 50 miles of the bike course. Managed an hour flat on the outbound and 56 minutes home. Oh, did I mention that was all with a good amount of forest fire smoke in the air?

The best part was then hopping in the car and driving 7 hours home.


Overall it was a great confidence booster for next month.


gamby
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08/26/13 05:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How fast was the bike split (and was it 56 miles)?

Sir Ironpool
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08/26/13 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was actually like 51 I think because part of the course is off limits till race day. I'll have to check my Garmin, but riding time was 3:05. Of course, we took it very easy so everyone could stay together and to try and salvage the legs for the run. It always sucks to see a nice solid 20mph average be reduced to 16 because of a monster hill. \:\(

slackereg6
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08/29/13 06:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thinking about doing a local race in December but last year I did it and the course sucked. I have been very inconsistent almost all year and need something to push me to be more consistant.

2000SiRacer
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08/31/13 08:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey you horn dogs, your favorite female Rory Bosio just crushed UTMB. New course record and 7th overall!

Tim Olson and Mike Foote also did well (4th and 5th) but I was pulling for Anton to have a strong race. Instead he DNF'd with hamstring issues \:\(


Sir Ironpool
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08/31/13 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I was watching irunfars twitter feed all through the night. What an amazing performance!

2000SiRacer
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09/03/13 08:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah, I was watching irunfars twitter feed all through the night. What an amazing performance!


Seriously, she just obliterated the previous record. I'd love to see her start going after some "untouchable" Ann Trason records after a run like that!

and, as promised, a longer write up regarding Leadville (although it's mostly just pictures because those are way more fun)

http://clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/294598/Number/7265118#Post7265118


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
09/06/13 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Is anyone following Wasatch Front today?? Final race of the grand slam and Clark started 69 minutes behind Sharman...but at mile 53 he was 20 minutes up with a steadily growing gap! Aaah! That would be an awesome comeback.

You can follow here:

http://results2013.wasatch100.com/Runner/Position

but be warned the site seems to go down periodically, perhaps while they're updating the lists. Talk Ultra is also doing some twitter updates and some discussion on facebook.

I guess Bryon is enjoying a European vacation or something because this is right in his backyard and iRunFar isn't doing any coverage. It's amazing how spoiled we all are by his hard work


Sir Ironpool
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09/09/13 01:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, finished off my last full week of training for Ironman Tahoe. 2 week taper starts tomorrow.

This week I swam 2.5 miles, rode 140, and ran 35...about 13 hours in total. From here on out its short runs, lots of swimming, a few easy spins on the trainer and keeping the diet in check so I can lose another few pounds before the race. I'm already down to about 152...and have leaned out quite a bit, but I'd love to see 14X on the scale before the race.

Goals for this race are:

Swim somewhere in the 1:10 range. My wetsuit IM swim PR is 1:06, but I've been working through a shoulder injury that has kept me out of the water till just recently. Luckily my swims seem to indicate that a good fitness base is there. The new self seeded swim start (instead of the mass start) may make things less crowded, and faster from the start. Hopefully there is no wind or waves.

Bike is a big "who knows"...but I plan on taking it easy on anything other than the flats and downhills. I'm thinking somewhere in the 6:15-6:30 range for the 112 miles. If it takes longer...fuck it. I just want to have a good run.

After 3 Ironmans where my runs were all less than stellar and in the 4:40 range, I'd LOVE to see closer to 4 hours for this one. The course is beautiful, and the multiple out and back course means there will be lots and lots of people on the course to keep my mind off the pain.


If I have a great day I think I can be around 12 and a half hours.


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09/09/13 11:29 PM
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Squeeked a 10+ in tonight. Felt good during, until it got dark. oops, forgot to check that. Felt beat to fuck after 3 miles of running in the dark, on trail. So many jarring strides.

Nowhere near ready for my 1/2, but that's probably my longest "long" run. I'll do some hills later in the week, and prepare my anus for the 1/2.

Still glad I'm doing the race though.


Ampsman in Extremis
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09/10/13 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Welp, finished off my last full week of training for Ironman Tahoe. 2 week taper starts tomorrow.

This week I swam 2.5 miles, rode 140, and ran 35...about 13 hours in total. From here on out its short runs, lots of swimming, a few easy spins on the trainer and keeping the diet in check so I can lose another few pounds before the race. I'm already down to about 152...and have leaned out quite a bit, but I'd love to see 14X on the scale before the race.

Goals for this race are:

Swim somewhere in the 1:10 range. My wetsuit IM swim PR is 1:06, but I've been working through a shoulder injury that has kept me out of the water till just recently. Luckily my swims seem to indicate that a good fitness base is there. The new self seeded swim start (instead of the mass start) may make things less crowded, and faster from the start. Hopefully there is no wind or waves.

Bike is a big "who knows"...but I plan on taking it easy on anything other than the flats and downhills. I'm thinking somewhere in the 6:15-6:30 range for the 112 miles. If it takes longer...fuck it. I just want to have a good run.

After 3 Ironmans where my runs were all less than stellar and in the 4:40 range, I'd LOVE to see closer to 4 hours for this one. The course is beautiful, and the multiple out and back course means there will be lots and lots of people on the course to keep my mind off the pain.


If I have a great day I think I can be around 12 and a half hours.




you're gonna kick ass man! Is there live athlete tracking so I can stalk you?

I'm trying to mentally prepare for saturday.
I honestly dont know if I'm gonna run 4 miles or 50 miles, between the IT band and not feeling super confident about my fitness anything could happen.
Oh well, just gonna go out and enjoy what is supposed to be some beautiful weather in the marin headlands.


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09/10/13 01:06 PM
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Measured it out with park maps, 11.5 Sweet!

Ugh I hurt a bit today. The last 2 miles were pretty much pitch black. A bit skethcy, lots of bouncing and shit.


Sir Ironpool
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09/10/13 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Welp, finished off my last full week of training for Ironman Tahoe. 2 week taper starts tomorrow.

This week I swam 2.5 miles, rode 140, and ran 35...about 13 hours in total. From here on out its short runs, lots of swimming, a few easy spins on the trainer and keeping the diet in check so I can lose another few pounds before the race. I'm already down to about 152...and have leaned out quite a bit, but I'd love to see 14X on the scale before the race.

Goals for this race are:

Swim somewhere in the 1:10 range. My wetsuit IM swim PR is 1:06, but I've been working through a shoulder injury that has kept me out of the water till just recently. Luckily my swims seem to indicate that a good fitness base is there. The new self seeded swim start (instead of the mass start) may make things less crowded, and faster from the start. Hopefully there is no wind or waves.

Bike is a big "who knows"...but I plan on taking it easy on anything other than the flats and downhills. I'm thinking somewhere in the 6:15-6:30 range for the 112 miles. If it takes longer...fuck it. I just want to have a good run.

After 3 Ironmans where my runs were all less than stellar and in the 4:40 range, I'd LOVE to see closer to 4 hours for this one. The course is beautiful, and the multiple out and back course means there will be lots and lots of people on the course to keep my mind off the pain.


If I have a great day I think I can be around 12 and a half hours.




you're gonna kick ass man! Is there live athlete tracking so I can stalk you?

I'm trying to mentally prepare for saturday.
I honestly dont know if I'm gonna run 4 miles or 50 miles, between the IT band and not feeling super confident about my fitness anything could happen.
Oh well, just gonna go out and enjoy what is supposed to be some beautiful weather in the marin headlands.


Thanks man...I bet you'll kill it this weekend. Your body has probably enjoyed the rest and is ready to come out of the gate rarin to go.

Yeah, athlete tracking will be live here:
http://www.ironman.com/#axzz2eWT9TeVZ

My bib # is 1561. Both my brothers and my dad are racing as well, so feel free to pull them up by last name. This will be my little brother Keiths second triathlon ever, but he's a beast on the swim. I should be about 10 minutes behind him out of the water, and my other brother and dad should be right with me. Well spread out a bit on the bike though, depending on how everyone is feeling. Im hoping to secure first place in the family division for a second time. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
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09/15/13 07:26 AM
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Race report to follow soon. Amazing day. I convinced myself to drop twice but somehow kept going. I found out that no matter how bad something hurts you can usually run until it hurts less. Long story short, 50 miles and 10k of elevation in just over 9 hours. I def went out to fast. First 25 mile loop was about 3:50 and the second was 5:10. lesson learned.

Sir Ironpool
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09/15/13 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man. Gutting it out and finishing a race is always more impressive to me than a badass performance. Besides, sub 10 is a fantastic 50 mile time!

Ampsman in Extremis
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09/15/13 06:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is probably going to be rambling but I am writing it while watching the kids and trying to prep for having family over for dinner tonight.

So I stared the race with alot of doubt about my IT band, I even went to the sports therapist the day before because I had some tightness on a short run on thursday and I was freaking out. I'm pretty sure he thought I was crazy trying loosen up my IT the day before a 50 miler.
Along with all the IT issues came some doubt about my fitness since I hadnt been able to get a good solid long run in about 6 weeks. I was still running 40-50 miles a week thru the whole thing and getting lots of vert but no good long runs.
The race was a 7am start at Rodeo Beach, just north of the golden gate bridge. It was a cloudy and slightly chilly start, perfect weather.
I saw some familiar faces before the race but pretty much kept to myself, nervous as hell.
The race consists of two 25 mile loops, each with about 5k of elevation. The first is run clockwise and then you run the second in reverse.
I decided to start with one handheld since the first 3 aid station were all only 4 miles apart, I threw a waistpack that holds two 10oz bottles in my drop bag and also had my hydration pack, I wanted to have some options after my first loop since I had no idea how I would feel.
The best part about these types of races is how impromptu the starts are. I saw everyone heading to an area in the middle of this road so I followed and moved my way towards the front, next thing I know everyones running. I didnt even hear a count or a go or anything. Oh well, lets do this.
The first 2 miles a starts with a solid climb and I felt great heading up it, a little to good perhaps because I ignored all the sections where people were walking and powered up the whole thing.
Ended up hitting the first aid station feeling awesome, filled my bottle and headed back out.
I caught up to this guy Adam and started chatting with him, it was nice cause it helped me settle down a bit and get into a rhythm.
About a mile after we started running together we see this guy John (who ran western in just over 20 hours this year) stop to hit a porta-potty, he comments that he shouldnt be catching up to John and hes definitely going to fast. We hit a hill soon after that and he says hes going to take it easy...I on the other hand power up the hill.
So far no issues at all with the IT, though every little twinge has me panicking.
I power thru the next couple aid station and get to the final aid station (mile 18) before the first loop is over.
Still feeling super strong.
I powered back up the hill out of this aid station and started the 3 mile downhill/flat to the start line to finish the fist loop.
This is wear shit went pear shaped.
Both of my hips started hurting like a bitch and I honestly didnt know how I could keep running, I convinced myself to drop at this point. There was no way I was going to go back out for the second loop.
I rolled up just under 4 hours, my goal pace.
I filled up my bottled, ate everything I could see and tried to act like I was going back out even though I knew I wouldnt.
I then started running, even though I had decided to drop...for some reason I was still running.
I told myself I was going to run to the next aid station about 6 miles away, just so I could atleast have run 50k. 6 more miles, thats all.
The great part about ultras is how humbling they are, I was run/walking up a section of hill, feeling like complete shit when I hear someone coming up behind me...it was a 50+ year old woman...who was running the 100 mile race. Turns out shes an ultra beast who has run western in 19 hours.
She lied and told me I was looking strong.
I finally got to the top of the climb and started the downhill to the next aid station where I was going to drop and call it a day. During this downhill I started feeling the familiar tightness and knee pain that had been haunting me...fuck.
Oh well, I thought, a couple more miles and Im done anyway.
By the time I got to the aid station I was hurting pretty bad, which became apparent when a couple people came up to me and asked if I was ok.
I told them about my IT band and they offered some ibuprofen, I decided to take it and give them the impression that I planned to keep going. Even though I was done.
Just then I see a guy I had run with briefly earlier cruise up behind me, hes hurting pretty bad also and gives a head nod.
His girlfriend is there crewing for him and has a cooler full of goodies so he calls me over and says I need to pound a sierra mist because its the best thing ever when you're running.
I figure I might as well, I'm done anyway. So I wash down my ibuprofen with some sierra mist.
He lingers a bit and I am wondering if he is going to drop...next thing I know hes out of there. Fuck.
Maybe I can make it to the next aid station?
I start walking out of there.
Eventually start jogging up the hill, and not long after catch up to my buddy with the sierra mist.
We start talking and find a good rhythm.
The next thing I know there is no pain and we are only a couple miles from the next aid station. Holy shit.
We cruise into the mile 38 aid station by ourselves, I dont think I have ever been so motivated by strangers clapping and telling me I look great.
We fuel up and head out within about 30 seconds...he tells his girlfriend we have to hurry up and points to me and says, "because his kids are waiting for him."
The next 12 miles are kind of a blur, lots of power hiking up some pretty gnarly hills and cresting the final hill and seeing the finish line about 2 miles away.
I was about to finish something that I had convinced myself wasnt possible.
Part of me wanted to run as fast as I could and part wanted to savor it.
I ran across the finish line to my kids jumping on top of me. \:D
I think I ended up at 9:03, which means I ran the second loop in over 5 hours after running the first in under 4. I'll work on pacing next time.
All in all an incredible experience, you read about the highs and lows during ultras but its amazing how fast they come on. Moments of euphoria where you could run forever followed by hating everything.
I recommend it highly.


Sir Ironpool
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09/15/13 07:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude...awesome report. It's pretty amazing how you have those mental battles along the way, feeling super low then bam...on top of the world. Sounds like hooking up with that other guy was your saving grace. That happened to me on the run at the Louisville Ironman. I was hurting bad, then ended up running and chatting with another guy and the next thing I know we've put away 6 miles.

So we're you saying maybe, or hell no about another race at the finish? \:D
You're at least putting infor the WS lottery, right?


2000SiRacer
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09/16/13 04:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats! Great write up man - can't wait for your next report \:D

What's your upcoming race calendar look like now?


2000SiRacer
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09/16/13 05:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fun weekend this week. I woke up at 3:00a on Saturday to get in a two hour run before volunteering at an aid station all day for Run Rabbit Run. I was absolutely beat by the time I got home late in the afternoon. Waking up that early did afford me the opportunity to use my sweet (and it really is sweet) new headlamp. I was a couple miles outside of town doing a short out and back section before climbing up Emerald Mountain when I had the wits scared out of me. I had just turned around and was passing a section of pavement I had covered ~6 minutes earlier when I saw something on the trail (remember, it's pitch black and I'm all alone with my headlamp). I got closer and saw it was a big, 10" trout with deep claw marks torn into it. It hadn't been eaten yet and was obviously fresh since it hadn't been there 6 minutes earlier. I just stared at it, getting goosebumps, before I whipped around looking for a bear (hopefully) or mountain lion (please no). Didn't see anything and I took off running with a renewed vigor. Twenty minutes later I begin my climb up Emerald and there are eyeballs reflecting back at me from all directions. So unnerving. I definitely need to get more comfortable with running alone at night out here.

Anyway, after the run I grabbed some beer and donuts and drove up to the top of Rabbit Ears pass. It was a cool aid station, up above 9,500 but with a parking lot (it was near a campground) so lots of crowd support. In addition to the great atmosphere I got to see Arnolfo Quimare come running through. I even gave his crew chief a bottle of Coke for his own little aid station he had set up for him. He was in 2nd place when I saw him but dropped back to 8th by the finish. Here are a few pictures of it:






(this dude drove out of the woods and crossed the course with this chopped up elk in his bed)

It was a fun group working too. They brought a ton of beer and started drinking at 8:30. At altitude haha. Kept things interesting.


Sir Ironpool
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09/16/13 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No Timmy Olson pics? Total fail!

2000SiRacer
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09/17/13 10:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
No Timmy Olson pics? Total fail!


Because 50 miler aid station

The 100 started at noon on Friday and I was working all day.

But did I ever tell you guys about meeting Timmy's wife's cousin? Super small world, met her at a noodle shop in Saigon and she says "oh yeah, my cousin is married to a guy who runs those. Super cool dude. Maybe you've heard of him - his name is Tim and he won Western States this year" haha

Here we are on New Year's Eve spreading some good cheer!



Ampsman in Extremis
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09/17/13 10:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Dude...awesome report. It's pretty amazing how you have those mental battles along the way, feeling super low then bam...on top of the world. Sounds like hooking up with that other guy was your saving grace. That happened to me on the run at the Louisville Ironman. I was hurting bad, then ended up running and chatting with another guy and the next thing I know we've put away 6 miles.

So we're you saying maybe, or hell no about another race at the finish? \:D
You're at least putting infor the WS lottery, right?


The first thing I told my wife when I finished was I'm never doing that again.
I'm totally putting in for western though, thats one of the reasons I did this race. I know its a super long shot but might as well go for it. I'm thinking about actually going up there for the drawing because they have a bonus drawing if you are present for the drawing.


Sir Ironpool
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09/17/13 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep. That's how my buddy Joe (the guy I paced) got in...he was the last wild card handed out.


Good news: Quad Dipsea is way shorter than 50 miles. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
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09/17/13 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yep. That's how my buddy Joe (the guy I paced) got in...he was the last wild card handed out.


Good news: Quad Dipsea is way shorter than 50 miles. \:D


But the same elevation gain as the 50.


Sir Ironpool
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09/17/13 07:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

But there's stairs! That's like an escalator, right?

**DONOTDELETE**
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09/21/13 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

50% chance of snow for my race tomorrow.

Sir Ironpool
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09/21/13 05:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
50% chance of snow for my race tomorrow.


It's snowing outside my window right now at Squaw. Gun goes off at 6:45 tomorrow morning.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/21/13 06:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My buddy is racing in Tahoe tomorrow, and just posted the forcast.

I hope you brought your wettie for the swim and maybe the bike. LOL


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/13 06:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha...you should see my T1 bag:

2 pairs of gloves
Tri shorts and top
Knee length compression socks
Arm warmers
Toe covers
Long sleeve thermal jersey
3/4 length tights
Helmet liner beanie
Neck warmer.

Shit was bursting at the seams.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/13 11:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm turning up the heater in my house a couple extra degrees tonight in memory or mr. mom.
Goodnight sweet prince. \:\(


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09/22/13 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

High alpine half was outstanding. Beautiful terrain, nice snowy weather, sunshine at the finish. Finishers kegs of local Bend beer, and catered Mexican. Super cool event.
First trail 1/2 in the bag. 2:15
not bad for like 5 training runs

Already thinking about the 50k


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
09/25/13 09:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got peer pressured by a couple of friends and signed up for my first 50k yesterday. The course is part of my regular bike training routes, so I know what to expect, just never thought I'd run it.

It's not until early March so it looks like a lot of treadmill training in the Cleveland winter.

Here's the elevation graph

http://www.westernreserveracing.com/greenjewel/maps/2013GJCourseMap.pdf


Sir Ironpool
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09/25/13 09:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hell yeah. You're gonna love it man.

2000SiRacer
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09/27/13 10:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
I got peer pressured by a couple of friends and signed up for my first 50k yesterday. The course is part of my regular bike training routes, so I know what to expect, just never thought I'd run it.

It's not until early March so it looks like a lot of treadmill training in the Cleveland winter.

Here's the elevation graph

http://www.westernreserveracing.com/greenjewel/maps/2013GJCourseMap.pdf



That's awesome, man!! March in Ohio isn't exactly fantastic weather so make sure you log some hours out in the elements this winter! And keep us posted here, I love love love following training logs leading up to a big race and then reading the report. Gets me emotionally invested I suppose

I just read something yesterday about the illustrious Matt Carpenter's treadmill - he has a $10,000 220v unit with 3 motors capable of 3:20 miles @ 27% grade

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/24/sports/othersports/24runner.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

and re: the elevation profile; what dat Y-axis do?



I've run races with elevation profiles reminiscent of seismographs but upon closer inspection the entire scale is something like 80 vertical feet


Sir Ironpool
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09/27/13 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, 4 days of recovery and I as able to run an easy 4 miles today. No soreness at all...just some overall fatigue.

Design
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09/27/13 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats guys on some great mileage. Hit my goal this week and put away 25 miles. Squeezed out 13.1 in 2:07 on the treadmill lol. Not expecting to break 2 hrs at Long Beach but we'll be happy just beating my previous time.

2000SiRacer
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09/28/13 02:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


How many people do you recognize in this picture??








Crazy weekend so far - this was my drive down to Breckenridge after work yesterday:

Warning, Spoiler:


And then it was a whopping 18* in Breck when we woke up to get down to the start. I guess that's what being at 9,600' will do for you

The start was awesome too - just walking around (the surprisingly small) crowd at the start I saw:

Kilian Jornet
Dakota Jones
Emelie Forsberg
Geoff Roes
Sage Canaday
Rob Krar
Tony Krupicka
Joe Grant
Cassie Scallon
Michael Wardian

And I'm sure a handful of other elite guys and gals I didn't even recognize. This has to be the most stacked field for any race I've followed in the past few years. I didn't get any great photos of these groups because I felt super awkward being that guy who's like "hey, can I take your picture?" so I didn't haha but that's OK.

I'm now posted up at a coffee shop in Vail waiting for the front runners to come through the finish. The light was pretty rough at the start so I'm hoping to get some better photos at the finish. Stay tuned!


2000SiRacer
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09/30/13 08:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The rest of UROC was a blast - I hung out taking pictures at the finish area for a good four hours or so. During that time I got some great shots and met some really interesting people. One of my photos from the start in Breckenridge was published on iRunFar as well as the local Vail newspaper (The Summit Daily) - so that's cool.

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/8317148-113/race-uroc-vail-jones
http://www.irunfar.com/2013/09/2013-uroc-100k-results.html

I don't have a lot of time right now so here are the pictures without commentary:

Warning, Spoiler:

(big game of where's waldo)
























Ampsman in Extremis
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09/30/13 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome pics man! So jealous!
I have to say I'm a huge Rickey Gates fan, guy is such a beast. Did you see the vid about him running mount marathon this year?

What was the buzz about Kilan post race? I heard alot of talk that he didnt seem to take the race seriously and kinda was acting like a douche.


Ampsman in Extremis
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09/30/13 11:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh and where the pics of stephanie howe?

2000SiRacer
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09/30/13 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Awesome pics man! So jealous!
I have to say I'm a huge Rickey Gates fan, guy is such a beast. Did you see the vid about him running mount marathon this year?

What was the buzz about Kilan post race? I heard alot of talk that he didnt seem to take the race seriously and kinda was acting like a douche.

Rickey Gates was awesome! He started hurting towards the end of the race and we were getting reports of him walking into aid stations and asking for beer

As for Kilian, I think it's ridiculous the sort of flack he's getting. I have no doubt he made an offhand comment or two to spectators along the road section of the course, but when he crossed the finish line and was talking to people with cameras he was very positive about the race, his fellow runners and the RDs. I think it was clear that he was only there to notch enough points for the Skyrunner series win and nobody there seemed to hold that against him. Everyone was too stoked on the Dakota/Krar battle to really care that Kilian fell off the back (and again, reports of him walking through aid stations later in the day).

He's made some comments this year (Pike's Peak is a flat race, 80% effort in races, etc) that have made me raise an eyebrow but he came across as a very friendly guy. I only talked to him for a minute but he seemed happy to take pictures with folks at the start and stick around chatting after the finish. All this nitpicking and analyzing of things he may have said 40 miles into a race while grunting up a mountain is typical internet ridiculousness in my opinion.

Here's another of my favorite photos of the day:

Me: Hey, pretend you're running across the line for an official iRF finish photo
Bryon: *sticks beer back into front of pack* like this?





Oh, and Stephanie Howe finished too late! I barely had enough light for Emelie's finish and at the point I was cold and tired and still had a couple hours of driving ahead of me.


Sir Ironpool
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09/30/13 04:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great pics! I became a HUGE Rob Krar fan after seeing his performance at States, and then various interviews I hear where he talked about setting the FKT for the R2R2R. Dude just seems like a really nice, total badass.




I signed up for my first 50 miler this morning, American River 50 in April. Its a long ways off, but I got a busy race schedule before then.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/13 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Great pics! I became a HUGE Rob Krar fan after seeing his performance at States, and then various interviews I hear where he talked about setting the FKT for the R2R2R. Dude just seems like a really nice, total badass.




I signed up for my first 50 miler this morning, American River 50 in April. Its a long ways off, but I got a busy race schedule before then.



Thanks! And your Krar assessment is spot on - he's such a nice guy, even in a sport full of genuinely nice folks he stands out. His wife is also a really friendly badass in her own right - she ran Wasatch Front this year as her first 100 miler

I'm super excited that you've signed up for American River!! What's your busy race schedule before then? Usually an ultra in April is way early in the season.

PS I'm going to *try* to lay down a respectable time at JFK so you'll have a CSi competitive target to aim for at AR50


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/30/13 07:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha...I like ultras right now as I'm so new to them I can go into the race with zero expectations....other than to not get lapped by Ampsman. \:D

My schedule so far:

Oct 19th: Seal Beach Sprint Tri (have to defend my AG win from last year, lol small field)

Nov 9th: Bootlegger 50k (Bootleg Canyon in Boulder City NV)

Nov 23rd: Quad Dipsea (Mill Valley, CA)

March 8th: Way Too Cool 50k

April 5th: American River 50 miler.




I'll probably do some 10k races in December and January too.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/13 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! I had been thinking about doing the American River, but think I am going to try and get into Lake Sonoma the weekend after. Its usually pretty stacked and I want to see all the ultra celebs! \:D
When does reg open for way too cool? I definitely want to try and get into that one.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/13 05:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I havent seen anything published about when the lottery opens. I seem to remember it being october/november last year though. Sonoma would be an awesome race to do, but my parents and brother live very close and I paced my brother there 2 years ago and knew I wanted to do it.

Looks like they've done away with the first half on pavement this year too, which should be nice.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/13 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stacked schedule for sure, mom! You'll be a finely tuned running machine by the time American River comes around. What was the big(?) course change for AR in 2014? I saw something mentioned about a course re-route but didn't follow the link to read up on it.

And I didn't know you were an ultra celeb groupie, Ampsman! Sonoma will be perfect for you

If you scroll through Rickey Gates' photos from Leadville this year you'll see he snapped a pic of "Tony Krupicka" making a guest appearance

http://rickeygates.com/leadville-trail-100-in-photos/

Same guy was hanging around the UROC finish this weekend. I asked Bryon if he knew anything about the guy but he didn't. I did a double take when I saw him on the street in Leadville - he even dresses like Anton! Anyway, watch out for dopppelganger celebs at Sonoma next year


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/01/13 07:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What kind of training plans are you guys using for the 50k's...I've looked a bunch up and they all are different.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/13 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Stacked schedule for sure, mom! You'll be a finely tuned running machine by the time American River comes around. What was the big(?) course change for AR in 2014? I saw something mentioned about a course re-route but didn't follow the link to read up on it.


Usually the first 25 miles or so are all on the American River bike trail, which is a paved multi-use path that heads towards the foothills from Sacramento. Looks like they're doing away with most of that and you start in Folsom (kind of near where the old route turned to trail) and head back towards Sac before turning back toward the hills. So almost all of it is on dirt now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/13 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
What kind of training plans are you guys using for the 50k's...I've looked a bunch up and they all are different.


I've never followed a plan (other than for my failed BQ attempt), but for my 50k, I just devoted as much time as I could to running on the trails with hills. For me that meant at least 2 days a week. The rest of the time were normal road days. I think I averaged around 45 miles a week leading up to it, with my longest run being the marathon I did a month before.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/13 08:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Stacked schedule for sure, mom! You'll be a finely tuned running machine by the time American River comes around. What was the big(?) course change for AR in 2014? I saw something mentioned about a course re-route but didn't follow the link to read up on it.


Usually the first 25 miles or so are all on the American River bike trail, which is a paved multi-use path that heads towards the foothills from Sacramento. Looks like they're doing away with most of that and you start in Folsom (kind of near where the old route turned to trail) and head back towards Sac before turning back toward the hills. So almost all of it is on dirt now.


Hmm...is it still a flat and fast course for the most part? I know people like to go out and PR on that course or use it as a Western States qualifier. I'm sort of surprised they changed things up since they weren't hurting for entrants.

As for a 50K training plan, I'm with Chris regarding a lack of formalized training - but I bet if you followed a solid marathon training plan and incorporated back-to-back long runs on the weekends you'd be more than ready for it. Have you picked a race yet? Race specific training may be a good idea too if it's going to be a course with a lot of technical trails or climbing.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/13 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, it's supposed to be just as fast, just not so much asphalt in the first half.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/13 12:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

New toy. This thing is so bad ass.
I love the idea of the front bottles, but the ultimate direction ones just didnt fit me right.
I tried this one on and fell in love, you can adjust it to fit perfectly.
Plus there are so many nooks and crannies.



2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/13 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great buy!! If that new version is half as nice as my original, and all accounts seem to say it's even better, then it's the most comfortable pack I've worn. You're going to love it dude

Chris, what're you going to be using for hydration at American River?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/13 06:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My buddy wore that at States and loved it.

I'll probably just go with a handheld...maybe two. I like my Ultraspire pack, but I don't know that I'll need it. AR is usually pretty cool, and I eat almost entirely off the course, so it would probably just be extra weight.


I really like the AK vest though. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/13 06:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I set some PRs yesterday!! I've got a "standard circuit" here on the front of Emerald Mountain. I used to run it a few times a week but yesterday I noticed I hadn't run it since 9/8 because I've been really stoked on a new set of trails. I decided rather last minute then to attempt a PR, even on tired legs from a grueling group run on Wednesday (I run with a bunch of middle aged guys who have all done Hardrock, Leadville, Western States, etc and I always run harder than I want to at these weekly runs), before this big snow storm moved in. I felt great the whole way up and was breathing much easier than my previous PR even though my legs were dying by the time I got to the "Lane of Pain" 450' of vert in 1/2 mile right at the top. Brutal.




Google Earth says it's 1,650' of climb with an average grade of 11.1%. I dropped my ascent PR from 38:09 to 36:27 and my descent PR from 20:27 to 20:02 (so close!) for a roundtrip PR of 56:29, down from 59:40 previously.

All things considered, I'm really excited about this! Clearly my long runs over the past 4 weeks are paying off and this little time trial confirms what I've intuitively been feeling. I keep reminding myself though that JFK is not a mountainous course. I really need to start forcing myself to do long, flat runs but that'll probably mean a treadmill for the time being and that makes me \:\(

EDIT: And since I'm a nerd I also have two splits along the way to the summit and I PR'd both of them as well for a completely clean sweep. Oh yeah

EDIT2: Just got back from running this route (14 min slower) in 12" of fresh powder! In shorts! I'm a bit cold but bombing down a 20% grade in fresh snow was AWESOME!


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/04/13 06:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well shit just got real....I made an impulse decision and signed up for the full iron distance next year. It's not an Ironman (WTC) race but the distance is the same, I couldn't pass up the early prices. It's hosted at Cedar Point, and less than an hour drive. I've done the half (70.3) before and know the bike course really well.

http://rev3tri.com/


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/13 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! Just looked up the Cedar Point event - September 2014 should be plenty of time to get into full Ironmom shape

But the real question is, does anyone get this tattooed on their calf afterward?



\:D

In unrelated news, I just ran 15 miles on a fucking treadmill. I got a book on tape from the library to pass the time - turns out Orwell's 1984 was a poor decision. And afterwards I look in the mirror and see a bright patch of blood on my shirt over my right nipple. Awesome


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/13 06:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

15 miles on a treadmill? Are you freaking nuts?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/13 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
Well shit just got real....I made an impulse decision and signed up for the full iron distance next year. It's not an Ironman (WTC) race but the distance is the same, I couldn't pass up the early prices. It's hosted at Cedar Point, and less than an hour drive. I've done the half (70.3) before and know the bike course really well.

http://rev3tri.com/


Dude....way to step it up. \:D I'd love to do a Rev3, they just don't really have races in this area of the country.

I suffered through 8 miles in 95 degree heat this morning...kicked my ass since I think I'm still kind of recovering from the race. Tomorrow I hit the trails again.

Right now I'm off to meet Anton. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/13 10:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
15 miles on a treadmill? Are you freaking nuts?


It wasn't my first choice, but sometimes you gotta do things. I did three hours (1:20 up and down Emerald Mtn and 1:40 flat) yesterday and the trails were even muddier from snow melt today. I have to get in flat mileage somehow or JFK is going to suck. And this place doesn't have a lot of flat; my choices are seriously A) back and forth on a 6 mile bike path or B) a rolling dirt country road I can drive to. I'll take it over not having much climbing but it's ironic that I train for climby races in Wisconsin and flat races in Colorado

And Chris: jealous! Enjoy the screening; such a cool movie


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
15 miles on a treadmill? Are you freaking nuts?


It wasn't my first choice, but sometimes you gotta do things. I did three hours (1:20 up and down Emerald Mtn and 1:40 flat) yesterday and the trails were even muddier from snow melt today. I have to get in flat mileage somehow or JFK is going to suck. And this place doesn't have a lot of flat; my choices are seriously A) back and forth on a 6 mile bike path or B) a rolling dirt country road I can drive to. I'll take it over not having much climbing but it's ironic that I train for climby races in Wisconsin and flat races in Colorado

And Chris: jealous! Enjoy the screening; such a cool movie


Ill take bike path over treadmill any day, but good on you for taking care of business any way possible.

I just signed up for a 50k on the 20th of this month, wanted to get in one more race before quad dipsea.

Had a really solid 25 mile training run yesterday, so feeling good.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've run on a treadmill and I thought "eh, it has to be better than a wet bike path in sub-freezing temps, right?". Wrong. I'll be using the bike path in all but the hairiest icy conditions now.

Which 50K are you running? And is Chris doing Quad Dipsea as well? Can't wait for that joint race report


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 12:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm doing this one. http://www.insidetrail.com/ai1ec_event/dirty-dare-trail-run/

October is crazy for us and my wife told me that there is no way I could fit in a race on a saturday with all of the kids bday parties and sports and stuff going on right now. I just found this race today and saw it was on a sunday so I decided to go for it, its hard to find an ultra on a sunday.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 01:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like a great race! I feel you on the stacked schedule. I just realized the Bootlegger 50k is the same weekend as a big Boy Scout rocketry outing to the middle of the Mojave. So I have to send my son with some other parents, drive out for the race Friday night, race Saturday morning, then hop straight in the car and drive 3 hours back out to the desert and camp out that night, then drive home Sunday afternoon.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh man, thats rough.
Sounds like the story of my life though.

Yesterday I got up at 5:30am to try and get in 25 miles before all of our plans for the day start. I finish my run and collapse on our front lawn for maybe 10 seconds when the kids run out and jump on me and my wife comes out and opens the car door and goes "oh good youre back, we are meeting my sister at the farmers market, lets roll."


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 02:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man, keep it up with the stories guys! You're making my appreciate my current position more than ever. I do so love those back to back long run weekends where I lay around eating pizza and beer the rest of the day :lesigh:






Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 04:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Man, keep it up with the stories guys! You're making my appreciate my current position more than ever. I do so love those back to back long run weekends where I lay around eating pizza and beer the rest of the day :lesigh:






Screw you!


At least we get regular guaranteed sex. Oh wait.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ended up having a fantastic first day back on the trail. Went down to Moro Canyon ( my closest trail system) and knocked out my usual 7 mile, 1500 foot route in a decent 1:07. Felt pretty strong and didn't notice any of the fatigue I've been feeling on my last few runs.

Plan is to get at least 2 runs a week down there.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 05:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Man, keep it up with the stories guys! You're making my appreciate my current position more than ever. I do so love those back to back long run weekends where I lay around eating pizza and beer the rest of the day :lesigh:






Screw you!


At least we get regular guaranteed sex. Oh wait.


This could be funny for a couple of reasons, since I'm not sure which you intended I'm going with both \:D

And 7 miles with 1,500' of vert in 67 minutes is mighty impressive in my book!! Do you have an elevation profile handy?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 05:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll have to upload from my Garmin.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 06:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Why dont you get your ass on strava?!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I post stuff up every once in awhile. \:\(

Here's todays run.



lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/07/13 07:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What garmin are you using? My forerunner 305 finally stopped working last week.

I ran the Cleveland Rock'n'Roll Half yesterday. I was really under trained for the hills, the largest one was around mile 10.5 and killed my average(almost brought me to a walk).



lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/07/13 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Here's my friend's(and soon coach)splits from IM Lake Tahoe




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/13 07:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FUCK ME!

edit: Mike, I'm using the 910xt. Love it.


slackereg6
(Member)
10/07/13 09:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keep having good stretches of running interrupted by injuries. Was feeling great after what seemed like an effortless 10 miles at 9 minute pace only to have calf pain a few days later after a 2 mile quick run. Was going to do a half next weekend but now my knee is sore so not going to push it.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/13 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:
Nice! Dylan Bowman is following you on Strava




2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/13 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Quote:
Nice! Dylan Bowman is following you on Strava






Super nice! He's going to start gunning for your FKTs soon - watch out!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/11/13 10:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dumped the JFK entrants list into Excel and here's what I learned:
  • # of Runners: 1106 (as of 10/1)
  • Average Age: 42.3
  • Median Age: 42
  • Youngest: 16 (2x)
  • Oldest: 77
  • Men: 73.8%
  • Women: 26.2%
  • Age 16-19: 7 (0.63%)
  • Age 20-29: 131 (11.86%)
  • Age 30-39: 335 (30.32%)
  • Age 40-49: 337 (30.50%)
  • Age 50-59: 214 (19.37%)
  • Age 60-69: 67 (6.06%)
  • Age 70-79: 14 (1.27%)
  • _______
  • 2012 Finishers: 967
  • Average Finish Time: 10:12:57
  • Average Pace: 12:12/mile
  • Winning Time: 5:34:59 (Max King)
  • Winning Pace: 6:42/mile
  • Last Official Finisher: 13:57:00 or 16:45 pace


And that concludes my data dump for the day! I'm getting really excited for this one. Biggest and oldest in the country, should be an adventure!



With 1,100 runners and 2.5 miles of road before funneling down onto AT single track I'm considering the (admittedly) brash move of going out hard to avoid getting bottlenecked. Eek. We'll see how that goes - I'd rather be getting passed than be the one having to waste energy jumping around people.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/11/13 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
15 miles on a treadmill? Are you freaking nuts?


Add me to the nutcase party.

Getting ready for the Long Beach Half this Sunday. Chris, maybe I'll see ya near the finish. Should cross around 9:45-ish.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/11/13 03:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck Kent! Unfortunately I''l be out in the desert with the scouts this weekend so I wont get to see the race. Have fun and kick some ass!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 12:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Achieved a personal goal and squeezed out a sub-2hr half marathon. Final time: 1:58:52.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 08:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Achieved a personal goal and squeezed out a sub-2hr half marathon. Final time: 1:58:52.


Congratulations man! Were you running pretty even splits or did you have to hustle the last mile or two to make it under 2:00?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice Job Kent! I was thinking about you last night as I was doing an 11 mile run, mostly on the race course. Congrats on the sub 2...that's a great milestone!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/14/13 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats Design! That's an awesome time! Keep it up and you'll kick even more ass. \:\)

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Achieved a personal goal and squeezed out a sub-2hr half marathon. Final time: 1:58:52.


Nice!

I had an easy week last week after almost 70 the week before. I have a 50k next sunday and had a couple tender areas so decided to taper a little more than I usually do and try and feel healthy for the race.
I was going to go for an easy 8-10 last night on the bike path by my house but had zero motivation to run on there. So instead I hopped in the car and drove to some trails and nailed a strava CR.
Its a little 5.4 mile loop with about 1100 feet of climbing in the first 2.5 miles. Ran it in 40:21, 7:28 avg pace...course record by almost a minute.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang! 7:28 pace with 1,100' of climbing in there?? Link to the strava course??

It's not that I don't believe you, but rather that I'm super impressed! Nice work dude


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 05:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fucking stravaholes!


I'm pretty happy with last week. Hit 50 miles, which included 17 on the trails. Plan is to try to increase by 5 miles a week over the next 3 so I'm at 65 leading into my 50k in Nevada on the 9th.

Did my 11 miles last night at a 7:25 pace, which felt great. I haven't been feeling too speedy lately, so that was a step in the right direction.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My girlfriend texted me this morning:

I hit 60 [miles] this past week with one day off and one 30 min day. Hoping to be closer to 70 this week!



I don't track mileage but I reminded her that she's pacing me next month and not racing me. She doesn't get bonus points for dropping my ass along the way

Are you guys both running Quad Dipsea this year?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
My girlfriend texted me this morning:

I hit 60 [miles] this past week with one day off and one 30 min day. Hoping to be closer to 70 this week!



I don't track mileage but I reminded her that she's pacing me next month and not racing me. She doesn't get bonus points for dropping my ass along the way

Are you guys both running Quad Dipsea this year?



Nah, she has no interest in trail running...she fears her lack of coordination would put her in danger, and I hate to say I agree. Her focus is setting another PR at Boston in April. I'm sure she'll do it, and she may even max out at 30 miles a week this time around. Lol.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
My girlfriend texted me this morning:

I hit 60 [miles] this past week with one day off and one 30 min day. Hoping to be closer to 70 this week!



I don't track mileage but I reminded her that she's pacing me next month and not racing me. She doesn't get bonus points for dropping my ass along the way

Are you guys both running Quad Dipsea this year?



Nah, she has no interest in trail running...she fears her lack of coordination would put her in danger, and I hate to say I agree. Her focus is setting another PR at Boston in April. I'm sure she'll do it, and she may even max out at 30 miles a week this time around. Lol.


OK, so my question was poorly worded but I meant to ask whether you and ampsman were both running Dipsea this year.

With that in mind, when I read your response about "she has no interest in trail running...lack of coordination" I was "What in the creepy fuck?! How does he think he knows these things about my girlfriend??"

But eventually I got it and

Did she really BQ and run Boston on < 30 miles a week??


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 07:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, yep....so she not only qualified for it on a MAX of 30 miles a week (like that was her peak...she was usually in the 20-25 mpw range) with a 3:31 on a flat course (she needed a 3:40 to get in), she also trained about the same for Boston and decided two days before that she wanted to PR and go under 3:30...and she ran a 3:29:30.

Shes got so much natural talent its amazing. I was running 60 a week when I tried to qualify and still missed it by 10m minutes. Did I mention she never runs longer than 18 miles? Pisses me off.


Yes, Donnie and I are both running Dipsea. My only goal is to finish within 15 minutes of him. Ultrasignup is predicting him to have a 4:47 and me a 5:15. I'd like to break 5 hours though.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/13 09:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys! Never knew I had it in me.

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Design
Achieved a personal goal and squeezed out a sub-2hr half marathon. Final time: 1:58:52.


Congratulations man! Were you running pretty even splits or did you have to hustle the last mile or two to make it under 2:00?


Funny story. I started off doing 9:15/mi until I found a fellow coworker at the end of mile 2. Paced ourselves at 8:50 the next three miles, then eased to just under 9:00 the rest of the race. I think I dropped off a few seconds the last couple miles. But I honestly don't think I would have made it without him kicking my tail.

LA Rock & Roll is in two weeks. May try for 1:55 if I can sync with the official pace group. But I'll be happy just finishing the race in one piece. \:D


I will also say I really enjoy reading everyone's stories & accomplishments here. Helps keep me motivated - especially during my longer runs.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/13 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome! Looking forward to a sub-1:55 report in a couple weeks

And in case you guys haven't seen it yet:

http://whatisultra.tumblr.com



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/13 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Awesome! Looking forward to a sub-1:55 report in a couple weeks

And in case you guys haven't seen it yet:

http://whatisultra.tumblr.com





I was just looking at that the other day!

Love this one, I think half my races were the product of drunken web browsing.

http://whatisultra.tumblr.com/post/63715...igned-up-for-an


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/13 06:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My wife really identified with the ultra beard one. I keep trying to go all Anton on her, but then she withholds sex till I shave it off.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/13 07:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
My wife really identified with the ultra beard one. I keep trying to go all Anton on her, but then she withholds sex till I shave it off.


That was the first one my girlfriend mentioned too! She said that her expression sums it up more perfectly than she could ever put into words \:\(


**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/16/13 08:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha. Suckaz. I've had a "winter beard" pass. I mean she bitches, but it stays.
Signing up for another 1/2 in dec. this will be my first time doing two halves in a year.

However I've been told I can't do the 50k in march I want to do. (We're expecting in April so that's fair).


**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/16/13 08:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And this is me after 90min and a few beers. Fucking awesome.

http://whatisultra.tumblr.com/post/64052073332/two-beers-after-a-five-hour-run


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/13 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, you misunderstood - she thinks I'm more attractive with a short beard but is still totally cool with the winter beard

And she's not expecting in April so I can run all the races I want


JK, congratulations dude


**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/16/13 09:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha.
Short beard gets scratchy complaints
Long beard(well not long, but longer) gets gross complaints

But I get away with it.

Yeah, excited. Shopping for running strollers(some are convertible for CC skiing too, sweet)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/13 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Haha. Suckaz. I've had a "winter beard" pass. I mean she bitches, but it stays.
Signing up for another 1/2 in dec. this will be my first time doing two halves in a year.

However I've been told I can't do the 50k in march I want to do. (We're expecting in April so that's fair).


what? why cant you do a race before the baby is born? you're not going to have time after its born so do it now? that sounds pretty fucked up.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/17/13 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha. No worries
Gotta remember my number one hobby is snowboarding. So I'll be riding every weekend. I also teach snowboarding.
In addition, I'm taking professional certs
Remodeling our home(i.e building the nursery)
other hobbies(brewing beer)
etc.

Honestly, I probably don't have the time. I tend to be the type that has more ideas/hobbies than time. I also want to climb a mountain or two. I could chose to do the race rather than teach snowboarding I"m sure. but both is probably overkill. I've got to pick what I can accomplish. It's by no means her restricting me, just being realistic. She said she hated saying "no", I believe that. She's the one that pushed me to do things rather than just wanting to do them.


slackereg6
(Member)
10/18/13 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keep trying to sign up for a 50k in March but they have not opened it up yet. Need to do it soon before I think of a reason not to.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/13 02:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
And in case you guys haven't seen it yet:

http://whatisultra.tumblr.com




Dude…


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/13 01:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, a little off from my placing last year at this sprint Tri, but I'm pretty happy with my race. 9/35 in my AG, 42/364 overall. Swim was just okay, but I did pretty well on the bike and run as I had the 15th fastest bike split and 32nd fastest run in that deep ass beach sand.

The field was considerably deeper since this was the second year, so it's probablya more realistic representation of my fitness right now.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/13 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats dude!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/13 05:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!
all trails now till dipsea?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/13 09:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, all running anyways. Can only manage two, maybe three trail runs a week, but that has seemed to work in the past.


Knocked out a 16 mile run tonight at a not quick, but fairly effortless 7:54 pace to cap off another 50 mile week. Gonna try and bump it up a bit this week. 3 weeks till Bootlegger!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 02:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Effortless my @ss. Damn good time for 16 miles.

I don't know how but scored another 13.1 miles in just under 2hrs tonight. If all goes well I'll attempt another personal best in LA. Guess it's time to taper down for next Sunday.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 08:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Enjoy the taper and good luck!



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 10:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Effortless my @ss. Damn good time for 16 miles.

I don't know how but scored another 13.1 miles in just under 2hrs tonight. If all goes well I'll attempt another personal best in LA. Guess it's time to taper down for next Sunday.


Lol, it's all relative man. \:D Back in January I was doing 20 milers at sub 7 pace while I was trying to BQ. Not sure where that speed has gone, but I'm running strong and healthy so I'm not complaining.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wow...well that was an interesting experience.
Did another 50k yesterday.
The race was two 25k loops with about 3700 feet of elevation per loop, each loop starts with a 1.3 mile climb of 1000 feet.
I felt pretty good going into the race despite having a cold the whole week before and thought I had a chance of doing pretty good.
Looking at the course info I saw that the aid stations were only 5 miles apart so I thought I would be fine with one handheld, that proved to be mistake numbed one.
It started off pretty chilly at the start but quickly warmed up and the course was very very exposed.
The 25k and 50k runners all started off together, two guys went out super quick and I settled in with a pack of guys right behind them.
I power hiked alot of the initial hills and felt like I was going at a good pace.
I cruised with a group of 3 other guys for most of the first loop and finished in under 2:30, I realized at that point that I had went out way to fast and also hadnt been keeping up with my calorie intake (I think I had 3 gu's on that first loop).
I hit that big 1000 foot climb again, it was hot and exposed and I was toasted.
I made it to the top finally and started cruising down but just didnt feel right even on the nice shaded downhill section.
My breathing was getting shallow because I was coughing whenever I tried to take a deep breath.
I made it to the 19 mile aid station in pretty rough shape. I pounded a gu and almost puked it back up but was able to wash it down.
I trudged out of there to tackle another big climb and try to make it 5 more miles to the next aid station.
This section was kind of a blur and actually seemed like it went by fairly fast.
I rolled into the 24 mile aid station and was ready to call it a day, I couldnt even think about another gu and just ate a bit of watermelon and filled up with water because the thought of electrolyte drink made me want to puke.
I left and headed right up another climb. Totally defeated at this point. I made it about 3 miles and realized something really wasnt right, I was super light headed and really nauseous. I was completely alone on the trail at this point and had no idea how far back the next runner was.
I decided to sit down for a minute to try and pull my shit together, I was only 2 miles from the final aid station but not only could I not imagine going 2 miles, the thought of simply standing up was almost unbearable.
I decided to lay down for a minute. I put my bottle down and layed my head down on it. I remember slipping out and jerking awake and telling myself I cant fall asleep out here.
The next thing I remember is a runner coming up and shouting at me and asking me if I was ok. I jerked up, completely startled.
I explained to him what happened and he said he was going to go to the next aid station and tell them to send someone.
At this point I was standing back up and felt alot better. I told him I thought I could start walking and try to make it there myself. I looked at my watch and I estimated I was asleep for about 30 minutes.
I started walking and eventually jogging and actually caught up to the guy who had stopped and rolled into the final aid station, feeling better but still in a fog.
I pushed myself harder than I should have the last 2 miles trying to make it to the finish and felt really sick again when I finished.
But i had done it.

Cant wait till dipsea.

heres the elevation profile from this beast.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck man, sounds like a brutal day! Congrats on the finish though. Sounds like that little nap was the smartest decision you made all day. \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/13 03:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude you are a trooper. Congrats on the finish.

slackereg6
(Member)
10/22/13 10:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Guy that found you probably thought you were dead. That would scare the shit out of me finding a person passed out on the course.

Congrats on the finish way to stick it out.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 08:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy crap, great job finishing man! What do you think happened? Some sort of mega-bonk out there? Generally people say taking 30 minute naps during 30 mile races does not make for great finishing placement

And here's a cool video for all you Western States fans out there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha2o5sD0Lkk



Between me, Jeff (in blue sitting down) and Matt (in red) we've got 5 tickets for this year's lottery. I like those odds! Somebody is going to make it through

Edit: It may actually be 6-7 tickets now that I think of it


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Watched that vid yesterday...pretty awesome. Forwarded it to my runner from this year.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Watched that vid yesterday...pretty awesome. Forwarded it to my runner from this year.






Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 11:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Holy crap, great job finishing man! What do you think happened? Some sort of mega-bonk out there? Generally people say taking 30 minute naps during 30 mile races does not make for great finishing placement

And here's a cool video for all you Western States fans out there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha2o5sD0Lkk



Between me, Jeff (in blue sitting down) and Matt (in red) we've got 5 tickets for this year's lottery. I like those odds! Somebody is going to make it through

Edit: It may actually be 6-7 tickets now that I think of it


I'm in on that lottery also!

I've been going over and over in my head what could have happened.
I really didnt feel like I was pushing to hard on the first 25k loop, but I noticed early that I just didnt feel right on the downhill sections...like just no get up and go.
I had a cold kind of thing the whole week before and had some sore swollen glands, so I think something was just off with me.
It really scared the shit out of me though.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll keep an eye out for your name then! I figure somebody I know will get pulled this year but I'm really hoping I make this time. *fingers crossed*

You California guys should come out next year whatever happens. CSi Western States Meet


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My brother is a 4 time loser going into this years lottery so he's got a pretty good chance too. I'll likely be up there either way though.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a great 10 mile run on the trails today...almost 2200 feet of elevation. Took me 1:39 to do, so I was able to sneak in just under 10 minute miles.

That run puts me at 42.5 in the last 4 days. Feeling very strong for Vegas.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
My brother is a 4 time loser going into this years lottery so he's got a pretty good chance too. I'll likely be up there either way though.


Glad to hear it, Chris! You can join in our group's crewing/pacing if we get someone in and your brother doesn't. (and you want to, of course haha)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I definitely plan on being up there either way!
Sounds like a meet up is in order.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 05:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I definitely plan on being up there either way!
Sounds like a meet up is in order.


Well crap, now I really hope one of us gets selected. I don't think I can justify the cost and time off work to just go watch and it'd be great meeting you both. Keep your fingers crossed!

PS I had a mini-heart attack today when I realized my 2012 races were no longer eligible qualifiers. Then I realized my Ice Age 11:24 disaster didn't count either (too slow). Land Between the Lakes was my only eligible run and I wasn't sure that was even on the list. Then I checked. And it was. And I could breathe again.

Now my last-place goal at JFK next month is sub-11 so I have my qualifier for 2015 out of the way very early \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 07:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If one of you guys do get in, I have connections on a big cabin you can stay at about 15 minutes from the start. It's owned by the guy I paced (his inlaws anyways) and is pretty much always available to friends and family. It's got some badass 70's shag throughout.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
If one of you guys do get in, I have connections on a big cabin you can stay at about 15 minutes from the start. It's owned by the guy I paced (his inlaws anyways) and is pretty much always available to friends and family. It's got some badass 70's shag throughout.




That's awesome man!! Why wouldn't you be staying there if/when your brother gets in? Can we make it a CSi & Friends Cabin??


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/13 11:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It would be big enough for lots of people to crash at. \:D

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
It would be big enough for lots of people to crash at. \:D


Oh man, that would be so much fun

Turns out Matt and Jeff only have one ticket apiece this year, so I was way off. I have two making four chances between the three of us. Eek.

I met a guy at LBL who got into WS his very first time out. And it was his first 100. Wound up doing very well too - lucky guy


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woke up to a nice email. Still not a podium, but way more in line with what I thought I did.

 Quote:
Your official results has been update to reflect that you started in the second wave of the red wave.




Fuck you sand!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 04:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This just in...

http://www.wser.org/2013/10/24/2015-western-states-100-mile-endurance-run-qualifying-standards/


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 04:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Interesting that you seem down on the bike end of things, yet you're super strong on the bike leg.

I'm on day 2 of couch to 5k, trying this shit again, hoping not to hurt myself again. Buying some new shoes in the next week or so.

Been riding fairly hard, so the cardio end of it is nothing. Impact hasn't felt bad at all.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



*checks calendar*
*sees it's not April 1st*



I'm glad they did it though. I've been hoping they would do something like this so the WS lottery doesn't become another Hard Rock situation. And that's coming from someone who doesn't qualify under these new standards. I'd much rather have tougher qualifying standards and an easier lottery than the other way around.

That said, my plan of qualifying for 2015 at JFK next month is out the window. Now I really have to be successful at Leadville (v3 \:\( ) next year. Or sneak in by running UROC in under 16:00 the following month.

Crazy shit. My world is turned upside down

EDIT: I'm already scheming:

Leadville: August 16-17th
Run Rabbit Run: +4 weeks (September 12th probably)
UROC 100K: +6 weeks (September 27th probably)

I'm lucky to have three qualifiers within two hours' drive but they're sort of bunched up. I just want Leadville to go well, not sure which of the other two I would do if it doesn't. Again.

If I can qualify in 2014 that means I should be going into a significantly less competitive lottery with three tickets. That would be huge


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 05:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Interesting that you seem down on the bike end of things, yet you're super strong on the bike leg.

I'm on day 2 of couch to 5k, trying this shit again, hoping not to hurt myself again. Buying some new shoes in the next week or so.

Been riding fairly hard, so the cardio end of it is nothing. Impact hasn't felt bad at all.


The problem was the course. It 3 miles out and 3 back on a non-closed, narrow bike path along the aquaduct. There are 3 underpasses you go through each way, and you are absolutely not allowed to pass on those sections. The first (and last) underpass had 6 inches of water covering the path because it was a really high tide. I caught up to the tail end of the wave in front of me as well, pso I had to slow for some strategic passing as well.

So yeah....I spent half the time getting held up by people in front of me, then the other half hammering to get back up to speed. Straight shot I probably could shave a few minutes off that time.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 05:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, that's a huge change! I wasn't really interested in doing any other 100 milers other than States. 100k's just aren't around as much, and especially not ones that are qualifiers.

I will say, I have been toying with the idea of giving Angeles Crest a shot though.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To be fair, there are seven 100K qualifiers in the US and you've got two in California and one in Oregon!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I know. \:D

It was funny...at WS my buddy that ran actually got some upturned noses from other racers when they found out he had qualified at AR50. Of course he went on to smoke them that day, but still.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah, I know. \:D

It was funny...at WS my buddy that ran actually got some upturned noses from other racers when they found out he had qualified at AR50. Of course he went on to smoke them that day, but still.


A man running 100 miles was given shit for earning the chance to run 100 miles by running a particular 50 miles. What a world

That said, I totally get that crazy logic and would lean towards trying again at Run Rabbit Run rather than sneaking in the "easy" door with a 100K. I feel ridiculous writing that.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Interesting that you seem down on the bike end of things, yet you're super strong on the bike leg.

I'm on day 2 of couch to 5k, trying this shit again, hoping not to hurt myself again. Buying some new shoes in the next week or so.

Been riding fairly hard, so the cardio end of it is nothing. Impact hasn't felt bad at all.


The problem was the course. It 3 miles out and 3 back on a non-closed, narrow bike path along the aquaduct. There are 3 underpasses you go through each way, and you are absolutely not allowed to pass on those sections. The first (and last) underpass had 6 inches of water covering the path because it was a really high tide. I caught up to the tail end of the wave in front of me as well, pso I had to slow for some strategic passing as well.

So yeah....I spent half the time getting held up by people in front of me, then the other half hammering to get back up to speed. Straight shot I probably could shave a few minutes off that time.


By "you seem down on the bike thing" I meant that "you don't seem enthused about riding/training on the bike". You did well on the bike leg.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
10/24/13 07:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The Burning River 100 is a qualifying race in Cleveland. If you guys want to run it I've got a place for you to stay.

http://www.burningriver100.org/


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 08:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Interesting that you seem down on the bike end of things, yet you're super strong on the bike leg.

I'm on day 2 of couch to 5k, trying this shit again, hoping not to hurt myself again. Buying some new shoes in the next week or so.

Been riding fairly hard, so the cardio end of it is nothing. Impact hasn't felt bad at all.


The problem was the course. It 3 miles out and 3 back on a non-closed, narrow bike path along the aquaduct. There are 3 underpasses you go through each way, and you are absolutely not allowed to pass on those sections. The first (and last) underpass had 6 inches of water covering the path because it was a really high tide. I caught up to the tail end of the wave in front of me as well, pso I had to slow for some strategic passing as well.

So yeah....I spent half the time getting held up by people in front of me, then the other half hammering to get back up to speed. Straight shot I probably could shave a few minutes off that time.


By "you seem down on the bike thing" I meant that "you don't seem enthused about riding/training on the bike". You did well on the bike leg.


Ah..gotcha. ;\)

I LOVE racing on the bike, I just dont care for the whole training part of it...since it takes time away from my running. \:D I still plan on racing a few tris next year with maybe a half iron being my A race though.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 09:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
The Burning River 100 is a qualifying race in Cleveland. If you guys want to run it I've got a place for you to stay.

http://www.burningriver100.org/


Thanks for the offer! My big focus race next year is Leadville, which is closer to home and only two weeks after Burning River, so probably not in 2014. I bet that one is going to get much more popular though. It's one of the only qualifiers in that part of the country now. Instant über-popularity!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/13 09:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"Main two reactions to new Western States qualifying policy"


http://whatisultra.tumblr.com/post/65000316593/main-two-reactions-to-new-western-states-qualifying

I love this site


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 02:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah, I know. \:D

It was funny...at WS my buddy that ran actually got some upturned noses from other racers when they found out he had qualified at AR50. Of course he went on to smoke them that day, but still.


were you planning on AR being your WS100 qualifier? Apparently there are lots of butthurt people asking for refunds because its not a qualifier any more.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 03:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh and if and when we all end up getting together somewhere...
I believe a beer mile is in order. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 04:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah, I know. \:D

It was funny...at WS my buddy that ran actually got some upturned noses from other racers when they found out he had qualified at AR50. Of course he went on to smoke them that day, but still.


were you planning on AR being your WS100 qualifier? Apparently there are lots of butthurt people asking for refunds because its not a qualifier any more.


Not really, but I wasnt going to turn it down if I happened to get in.

WS still scares the shit out of me, so I'm not in any hurry to try and get in.



Had a great run on the trails this morning:

14.5 miles, 9:25 pace, 2700 feet of gain. Felt really good the whole time too. I'm already at 42 miles for the week, and 57 in the last 6 days.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Oh and if and when we all end up getting together somewhere...
I believe a beer mile is in order. \:D


At sea level?

You guys are so screwed


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And where did you hear about AR runners asking for refunds? That's hilarious

I've read some comments saying the changes shouldn't have a significant impact on lottery odds as people will simply move up to 100K races. I don't believe it. I think there's an army of 10-11 hour 50 milers out there who are in big trouble.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/25/13 05:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
And where did you hear about AR runners asking for refunds? That's hilarious

I've read some comments saying the changes shouldn't have a significant impact on lottery odds as people will simply move up to 100K races. I don't believe it. I think there's an army of 10-11 hour 50 milers out there who are in big trouble.

100km at 16 hours is slower than that, no?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 10:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
And where did you hear about AR runners asking for refunds? That's hilarious

I've read some comments saying the changes shouldn't have a significant impact on lottery odds as people will simply move up to 100K races. I don't believe it. I think there's an army of 10-11 hour 50 milers out there who are in big trouble.

100km at 16 hours is slower than that, no?


True, but I've seen a lot of people finishing their first 50 around the 11 hour mark and there's no way in hell they're tacking on another half marathon. It's like watching survivors of a car accident stumbling around out there


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/13 10:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...there is always a huge contingent at relatively "easy" 50 milers who flirt with the cutoff. Add in another 13 miles and their likelihood of finishing is slim to none.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/13 09:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went to Big Lebowski Fest last night. Had a single white russian. Woke up with a headache and dry mouth.

This does not bode well for my big back-to-back long runs this weekend. Drinking strong coffee and about to make a big stack of french toast though so all should be well


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/13 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did another 10 this evening, with no indication from my body that I'd done 14 on the trails yesterday. Feeling fantastic and I'm on track to have my biggest week ever.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looking forward to your next race report, Chris

JFK training is peaking and kicking ass. Here was yesterday's journey (or the first half anyway):




Completely misjudged conditions above 9,200'. Sloppy, icy, wet and snowy. 3,800'+ of climb and I was gone for 5:56

Today is 20 miles of flat, runnable dry terrain at 7,000'. Currently pounding coffee and french toast to fuel


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow that's insane. Stressed out just looking at the map.

Scored another personal best today at the LA Rock n Roll Half. ~1:55:20.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 05:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome job Kent. That's a PR by almost 5 minutes, right?

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Survived! I think the loops are closer to 9.6 miles so let's say 19.2 miles in 3:04 - first loop in 1:24. So the day after a 6 hour effort up to 10,300' and back I still managed to run 8:49 for ~10 miles with rollers at 7,200' - and felt OK after it. Confidence boost indeed!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Survived! I think the loops are closer to 9.6 miles so let's say 19.2 miles in 3:04 - first loop in 1:24. So the day after a 6 hour effort up to 10,300' and back I still managed to run 8:49 for ~10 miles with rollers at 7,200' - and felt OK after it. Confidence boost indeed!


He'll yeah, that's good block of training for sure!

I just knocked out 12 on the road this evening to cap off my biggest mileage week ever of 63 miles. 32 of those were on the trails too, so like you, it's a great confidence booster for these upcoming races.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 09:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Awesome job Kent. That's a PR by almost 5 minutes, right?


Thanks man. Yeah just under 4 minute improvement over LB. Funny thing is that Runkeeper told me I ran 13.45 miles. So maybe some room for improvement at HB in February.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 09:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Survived! I think the loops are closer to 9.6 miles so let's say 19.2 miles in 3:04 - first loop in 1:24. So the day after a 6 hour effort up to 10,300' and back I still managed to run 8:49 for ~10 miles with rollers at 7,200' - and felt OK after it. Confidence boost indeed!




Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/13 10:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn...you guys are kicking ass!
My mileage for the week....drumroll please....ZERO!
Last weekends debacle totally threw me off and I had no desire to run this week. \:\(
Hope to kick back into gear next week.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/13 01:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Enjoy the time off man.....we've all been there. ;\)

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/13 07:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Survived! I think the loops are closer to 9.6 miles so let's say 19.2 miles in 3:04 - first loop in 1:24. So the day after a 6 hour effort up to 10,300' and back I still managed to run 8:49 for ~10 miles with rollers at 7,200' - and felt OK after it. Confidence boost indeed!


He'll yeah, that's good block of training for sure!

I just knocked out 12 on the road this evening to cap off my biggest mileage week ever of 63 miles. 32 of those were on the trails too, so like you, it's a great confidence booster for these upcoming races.


Nice!! It's going to be a good fall for the CSi running crew


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/13 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did a mini brick today, and now I know why they are called bricks. I got out of my aerobic swimming class and then immediately hopped on my bike to go meet my wife across town. Holy shit my legs felt like anvils. You guys are nuts, but obviously in a good way.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/13 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just wait till you try going from ride to run.

**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/29/13 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Just wait till you try going from ride to run.

Just wait until you have to ride you bike home from work just to go on your runs, and then mow the lawn after!!



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/13 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Back running after taking last week off, nothing crazy but hope to get a couple long runs this weekend and get 50+ and then get 70+ for a couple weeks before I taper for quad dipsea.
I must say, my legs have not felt this fresh since january.
Usually my first mile or so of my early morning runs are me just trying to get my body to cooperate.
This week my legs felt super light and quick right out of the gate! Probably wont last long but I am enjoying it for now.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/13 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Back running after taking last week off, nothing crazy but hope to get a couple long runs this weekend and get 50+ and then get 70+ for a couple weeks before I taper for quad dipsea.
I must say, my legs have not felt this fresh since january.
Usually my first mile or so of my early morning runs are me just trying to get my body to cooperate.
This week my legs felt super light and quick right out of the gate! Probably wont last long but I am enjoying it for now.


I'm looking forward to that!

Yesterday was a big weekend for me and I just did easy 30 minute jogs on Monday and Tuesday. Last night was the last group run of the season so that was around 50 minutes and 500' of climbing and my legs felt beat. The whole time. Never freshened up.

I'm trying a gradual taper of the next three weeks and historically I've flat out sucked at this part of the sport. I'm hoping I can make it work this time and finally feel fresh for a race though. Fingers crossed!

You guys have any taper advice? I'm thinking easy 30 minute runs during the week and gradually shorter weekend runs (2/2 hours this weekend, maybe 1.5/1.5 and 1/1 after that). My fast buddy (Matt) suggests strides over the next couple weeks, keep things sharp and all that!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/13 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And I totally nerded out and made this:



Using the same relative splits as Bryon Powell ran in 2007 since split data isn't available from the race folks.

I don't think this will really come in handy strategy wise, but I think it'll nice to know at aid stations how I'm faring. Can you tell I'm excited? \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/13 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My only taper advice is to lower volume maintain intensity. Not trying to gain any fitness, just want to keep thinks working smoothly. Lots of sleep and good food.



I'm at 30 for the week so far, but missed a trail run yesterday that I was really looking forward to due to a sick kid. Ended up having to do 18 .3 mile loops in the grass around the daughters soccer practice.

I'm hoping to do 15 on the trail tomorrow, then another 12ish on Saturday or Sunday plus another 10 on the road. Next week is a good taper/recovery and race day on Saturday!
Excited to run, but excited to see the top guys like Rob Krar, Alex Varner, Dylan Bowman etc.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/13 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Definitely chat with Rob K if you get the chance - he's a hell of a nice guy

And this just showed up in the mail:



I've been reading some incredible stuff about Drip Drop so I'm excited to try it out.

http://www.amazon.com/Drip-Drop-Hydration-Powder-Taste/dp/B004HIXN28
http://www.dripdropors.com/

Everything I've found says it's the next best thing to an IV for (re)hydration. Better then pedialyte, sports drinks, etc. Gets into your system 3x faster than water alone.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Last package - REI thought fit to send me a big plastic bag of individual gels instead of the boxes

PS Hammer Gel Apple Cinnamon > *


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got these today:



Saucony Progrid Guide 6's and a foam roller.

Went to a running store (Rhode Runner) Dude who helped me was EXCELLENT!!! He really knew what he was talking about. \:\)


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11/01/13 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Runners shouldn't be bragging about their most recent purchases... save that for the gear-obsessed cyclists or joggers. Get our and run you pussies.

/got new sauconys 2 weeks ago.
//skipped the gym/run today.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 04:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pfft, ran 15 miles on the trail today in my Pearl Izumi EM Trail 2's using my brand new ultraspire handheld. I LOVE MY GEAR!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 04:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Runners shouldn't be bragging about their most recent purchases... save that for the gear-obsessed cyclists or joggers. Get our and run you pussies.

/got new sauconys 2 weeks ago.
//skipped the gym/run today.


I guess if I were in the habit of skipping runs I wouldn't need to worry about gear either


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11/01/13 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Runners shouldn't be bragging about their most recent purchases... save that for the gear-obsessed cyclists or joggers. Get our and run you pussies.

/got new sauconys 2 weeks ago.
//skipped the gym/run today.


I guess if I were in the habit of skipping runs I wouldn't need to worry about gear either

Bastard!


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11/01/13 05:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

chris, how you like the handheld? I've been thinking of going for one. I've got a 2 10oz waist thing from nathan. It's fine for sub 2 hours, but i'm thinking I'll want to up my game soon and start doing 15-20 on trail. At my liesurely trail pace I'll need more.


basically, you guys should help me get outfitted for serious trail runs.
If we're going to gear-geek, show me what you run with on a 20 mile trail training run.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread




You won't regret it. Promise!


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11/01/13 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer



You won't regret it. Promise!

$$?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 05:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

http://www.irunfar.com/store/salomon-advanced-skin-lab-hydro-5-set.html

New one is ~$160. Looks like the old one is pretty much gone (although if you're an XL you can get it for $127)

http://www.rockcreek.com/salomon/advance...CFes9QgodYh4AVg


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 05:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I use a single handheld on 99% of my trail runs and races. I have a pretty minimal hydration pack also made by Ultraspire that I used during my pacing duties at Western States. I mostly had it to carry my headlamp, light jacket and camera. It worked well, but unless aid is going to be farther than 6 or so miles, I'll stick to bottles. I'm just not a big fan of having things on my shoulders and back.

On today's run it was about 80 degrees and almost completely exposed, and I went through one 20oz bottle in the first 10 miles and refilled at the ranger station for the last 5. I've been using bite sized Laffy Taffy as my fuel and it's awesome. I despise gels with a passion and refuse to eat another one. Just the thought makes me gag.



edit: I'm wearing my pack in this pic, and my brother is wearing the same Soloman SiRacer has, I believe:


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 06:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Weird - looks like the vest I have but with bright red pockets instead of my black/white. Maybe it was a mini-update or something, I really don't follow gear stuff until I need something.

And at Laffy Taffy

What gels have you tried?? I used to take Gu and didn't really like them at all (other than Peanut Butter) and just assumed "eh, gels just suck. whatever". But it turns out Hammer Apple Cinnamon and Hammer Raspberry are both tasty as shit! And the whole Hammer lineup seems to go down much easier than other brands. Might be worth a shot! I've also found they go down much easier if they're really warm and thus more liquid. The apple cinnamon flavor tastes like delicious, delicious pie filling if you get it warm enough

EDIT: oops, forgot Hammer's Montana Huckleberry! That's good too but I get tired of it faster than Apple.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 06:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Runners shouldn't be bragging about their most recent purchases... save that for the gear-obsessed cyclists or joggers. Get our and run you pussies.

/got new sauconys 2 weeks ago.
//skipped the gym/run today.


<--gear obsessed cyclist trying to be a jogger


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 09:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Weird - looks like the vest I have but with bright red pockets instead of my black/white. Maybe it was a mini-update or something, I really don't follow gear stuff until I need something.

And at Laffy Taffy

What gels have you tried?? I used to take Gu and didn't really like them at all (other than Peanut Butter) and just assumed "eh, gels just suck. whatever". But it turns out Hammer Apple Cinnamon and Hammer Raspberry are both tasty as shit! And the whole Hammer lineup seems to go down much easier than other brands. Might be worth a shot! I've also found they go down much easier if they're really warm and thus more liquid. The apple cinnamon flavor tastes like delicious, delicious pie filling if you get it warm enough

EDIT: oops, forgot Hammer's Montana Huckleberry! That's good too but I get tired of it faster than Apple.


Nah man..its the texture that just turns me off. I've tried and tried and it just doesn't work.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 09:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's a good thing you're into chicks, man


But seriously, sorry to hear that. Gels are just so darn convenient, I'm glad I've started to enjoy them.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 10:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha...no kidding.

I used them in my first two Ironman races, but after that I just couldnt stand them anymore. I switched to Sport Beans and Gatorade chews which work well. I really like ultras though....freaking smorgasborg every 5 or 6 miles. Thats all the solid fuel I need.


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11/01/13 11:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dislike gels, but can handle them

My goto energy are shot blocs, jelly beans and honey zingers. All are good.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/13 11:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love my salomon vest.
Only complaint is the soft flasks...
When they are about half full you feel like you are holding a floppy dildo.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/13 01:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Love my salomon vest.
Only complaint is the soft flasks...
When they are about half full you feel like you are holding a floppy dildo.


No wonder you're getting out of breath on the trail...too much thinking about floppy dildos and you get excited. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/13 09:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love ultra aid station spreads too...and I hear it's even more feast-like in Europe "would you care for mustard on your Iberian ham sandwich??"



He ate like 30-40 gels that day. Just kept stuffing the empty packets into his sleeves or shorts. I don't mind gels but I'm impressed by his ability to take that many down!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/13 12:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hit 66 miles for the week...biggest one yet.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/13 10:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hit 66 miles for the week...biggest one yet.


Nice!! I hope to get up there this week. Took it easy last week after the week off and ended up with 45 miles. Had a super solid run on sunday though.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/13 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very nice guys.

Signed up for the LA Marathon on 3/9/14. Going to be my first one and will try to train it right, starting today.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/13 01:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck Kent. I'll be crossing my fingers that you get good weather. \:D

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/13 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Dislike gels, but can handle them

My goto energy are shot blocs, jelly beans and honey zingers. All are good.


FWIW--Honey Stinger Waffles are excellent energy in a small, easily eaten/digested form. I eat them on the bike all of the time and their size/shape would be very conducive to long runs, IMHO.

Strawberry and Honey are my two favorite flavors.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/13 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm a little bummed. Got the race update for Bootlegger 50k, and because it's a USATF championship race, no headphones are allowed. I haven't worn them in any of my trail races before, but I was kind of looking forward to having some tunes for this one since it's not a huge turnout. Oh well...it'll just be me and my suffering. : laugh1:

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/13 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sucks. I ran my first few races without headphones to take in the experience. But now I like arranging songs so each few tracks start/end around my desired pace.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/13 12:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm a little bummed. Got the race update for Bootlegger 50k, and because it's a USATF championship race, no headphones are allowed. I haven't worn them in any of my trail races before, but I was kind of looking forward to having some tunes for this one since it's not a huge turnout. Oh well...it'll just be me and my suffering. : laugh1:


I have literally never ran with headphones before, in fact I scoffed at the headphone runners.
On sunday I went out for a longish run on some trails that I run all the time and was really not looking forward to it.
I decided what the heck...Ill bring some tunes.
I dont know if it was the tunes but I had an awesome run and really enjoyed it.
May be doing it more often.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/13 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, sometimes it's just nice to be able to rock out with something...or listen to a podcast. They're not allowed in triathlons either, but those races usually have so many people in them, the people watching is enough to keep your mind occupied. I had them with me at my first 50k with plans of using it the second half, but the thing died on me before I could put them on.

I'm just being a bitch because tapering and an achilliies that has decided to give me some issues 4 days before the race.


slackereg6
(Member)
11/06/13 10:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What kind of plan do you guys recommend for a 50k? I took the last two weeks off and think I am ready to start training again. Race is in march so I have about 4 months and was thinking about just doing a marathon program with a few extra weekly miles towards the end. Maybe a 23-24 miles for the longest run?

Really hoping I can stick with something as I already missed a half marathon I was going to do for fun due to some knee issues then had a nagging calf injury that I think is finally gone.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I haven't worn headphones while running for a couple years now, but I may look into changing that for JFK. I'm expecting a flat and "fast" sufferfest, so some rockin tunes may be just the ticket. Trail/mountain stuff I like taking in the scenery and sounds of nature, but the canal path in Maryland won't offer much of either

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I only run with headphones in now. And like Ironmom, I love listening to podcasts. Check out RadioLab or ThisAmericanLife podcasts if you like science/story-telling.

I have gotten so used to it, that running without headphones is uncomfortable. The wind blowing in my ears is so loud, lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
What kind of plan do you guys recommend for a 50k? I took the last two weeks off and think I am ready to start training again. Race is in march so I have about 4 months and was thinking about just doing a marathon program with a few extra weekly miles towards the end. Maybe a 23-24 miles for the longest run?

Really hoping I can stick with something as I already missed a half marathon I was going to do for fun due to some knee issues then had a nagging calf injury that I think is finally gone.


A marathon plan will work fine for your first 50k. I'd do as many of the runs on the trails though.



Anybody see this? Footage from the Angeles Crest 100.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OybMI_b-QI#t=787


slackereg6
(Member)
11/06/13 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am going to try and do most of the short runs on a dirt maintnace road and longer runs hopefully on some mountain bike trails. I live in a flat area so finding hills may be limited to a freeway overpass and short hills at the mountbike park. I need to look at the race elevation to see how bad it is.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 04:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Anybody see this? Footage from the Angeles Crest 100.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OybMI_b-QI#t=787




vs




I could never be a road marathoner


slackereg6
(Member)
11/06/13 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The last marathon I did was a road race and had less marathon runners than that video. It did have some half and relay runners mixed in but even that probably put it at 250 or less. You don't have to do a large race tons of smaller marathons.

Edit just looked at the last local marathon had under 100 runners. Top guy smoked everyone with a 2:29 2nd place was 35 minutes behind and 3rd was almost a full hour behind.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like road races because there is fairly consistent standard across the races, which is great for setting goals and really racing. I will qualify for Boston, I will run a sub 18:00 5k, and I will do a 1:25 1/2 Mary. \:D

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/13 08:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My girlfriend is trying to get me to run more road stuff because she likes it but I'm being a stubborn ass about the whole thing. It's too hard to run fast up here, I might as well be looking at prettier scenery.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So my lungs have hurt all week and they're still not better. And I'm sleeping a lot but still tired. I think I'm sick. Or dying. Ugh.

Two weeks from tomorrow - heal fast, body!!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 03:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
What kind of plan do you guys recommend for a 50k? I took the last two weeks off and think I am ready to start training again. Race is in march so I have about 4 months and was thinking about just doing a marathon program with a few extra weekly miles towards the end. Maybe a 23-24 miles for the longest run?

Really hoping I can stick with something as I already missed a half marathon I was going to do for fun due to some knee issues then had a nagging calf injury that I think is finally gone.


A marathon plan will work fine for your first 50k. I'd do as many of the runs on the trails though.



Anybody see this? Footage from the Angeles Crest 100.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OybMI_b-QI#t=787


Damn. That looks like a fun one. Already sold out for 2014 though. \:\(

Good luck this weekend!

I'm doing a quad dipsea simulation run tomorrow, gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 04:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn. That looks like a fun one. Already sold out for 2014 though. \:\(

Good luck this weekend!

I'm doing a quad dipsea simulation run tomorrow, gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I'm doing a quad dipsea simulation run tomorrow, gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.



 Originally Posted By: ampsman
gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


 Originally Posted By: ampsman
3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


Ouch. Good luck brotato



I met a guy at UW who would do 500 flights a day, five days a week, on one of these. I sort of want to start something similar but I don't think there's a single fucking stairmaster machine in this entire town


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 04:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn. That looks like a fun one. Already sold out for 2014 though. \:\(

Good luck this weekend!

I'm doing a quad dipsea simulation run tomorrow, gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I'm doing a quad dipsea simulation run tomorrow, gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.



 Originally Posted By: ampsman
gonna try and do 3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


 Originally Posted By: ampsman
3x7 mile hill repeats with about 2k of elevation per.


Ouch. Good luck brotato



I met a guy at UW who would do 500 flights a day, five days a week, on one of these. I sort of want to start something similar but I don't think there's a single fucking stairmaster machine in this entire town


Fuck a stairmaster!
I have a feeling ill get two done and be like...



gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 04:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My knees hurt just looking at that stairclimber.

Meanwhile, I overshot Ironmom's 5k Challenge from early this year:



First real run this year from 3 weeks of couch-to-5k. I'm still not going to push it too much, but the curiosity was killing me.

Felt decent. Knees were a little sore in the beginning. Cardio was fine because of the bike mileage base. I foamrolled the living hell out of my IT bands and quads post-run, too.

I hope I can keep this up and avoid injury. 30+ miles on the bike tomorrow...


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh man, you've got it all wrong! I've never felt more bad ass then when I'd be at the gym on campus working on either the Stairmaster or a treadmill set at 15% incline. Here I am, surrounded by beautiful Wisconsin sorority girls who are mostly texting or reading trashy magazines, tackling the midwestern vert as hard as I could. By the end of an hour the machine would be completely drenched, like soaked through, and my feet would be literally squishing in my shoes on every step. If I was on the treadmill I'd start to slip and slide from too much sweat on the belt. It was positively absurd and I loved it

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/13 09:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Gamby....just keep at it.

I'm currently posting from my sleazy little motel room in Boulder City NV, about a mile from the start of the Bootlegger 50k tomorrow. Saw Hal Koerner and his wife and baby at the running store for check in ...of course I was too chicken to say hi. Got here pretty early so I went and saw Thor in IMAX 3D, and drove up to check out the start of the course. Jesus Christ it's going to be a beautiful run.

Met a kid there from PA who's 23 and doing the race as part of a cross country road trip, dirtbag style. Really nice guy...made me think back fondly on my younger years. \:\)

Goal for tomorrow is to try and sneak in under 5 hours. Ultrasignup has me predicted with a 5:06. This is similar elevation to the last 50k I did where I went 4:47, but this looks like it might be a little more technical. I think my fitness for the trails is quite a bit better now though...so well see.

I'll report back tomorrow. \:\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/13 10:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck, Chris!!

And don't forget ampsman: Western States lottery opens today


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/13 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Good luck, Chris!!

And don't forget ampsman: Western States lottery opens today


I'm in there like swimwear!

Cant wait to hear Chris's race report!

I ended up changing up my run this morning, did 4x5 mile hill repeats. Not as much elevation as I wanted but felt awesome!
Best part was my splits. 45:59, 45:58, 45:25 and 46:34.




2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/13 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn, that's a solid workout!! You must be feeling pretty good about Quad Dipsea at this point!

The WS lottery is up to 1,488 folks and I think the age breakdown is interesting:

<20: 0
20s: 112
30s: 555
40s: 556
50s: 237
60s: 27
70s: 1

When the application period ends I'm going to dump all the age/gender info into a spreadsheet so I can compare it to the 2015 lottery under the new rules. My guess: dropping 50s from the qualifying list reduces overall number of applicants, hurting those on the extreme ends of the spectrum disproportionally. 30s and 40s become even more dominant next year, but we'll see!

I'm putting a ton of pressure on myself to finally finish a 100 in 2014 so I can get into the 2015 lottery with three tickets. I like my odds for WS in 2015 if that happens


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/13 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whew! What a race!

I think my goal was a little ambitious going into this race, because I had no real idea of what the course was going to be like, other than the advertised 2-loop, 4200ish feet of elevation, and desert terrain. I based my goal on my time at Way Too Cool back in March...which in comparison I know realize was like a carpet lined ribbon.

Got to the start line about 6:30, 50k start at 7am. Pretty good turnout...there were 100 pre registered and I could see quite a few checking in that morning, so I'm guessing 120? You can see on the map that its was basically 2 big loops up and over and back around a large peak in the desert south of Vegas. This are was pretty much my backyard for 4 years of my youth, and I spent hours and hours wandering that desert, so it was actually a pretty emotional and nostalgic experience for me. Start was a long downhill on a paved/dirt road before dumping onto a really sandy and gravelly trail that led us to the first big climb, 1000 feet over 2 miles. Lots of switchbacks, rock stepups etc. First time around I ran it all at an easy pace. After dropping down the backside over some crazy technical stuff, you hit the first aid station. First time I ran through it since it was cool and my bottle was still mostly full. I was in a pretty close group of about 5 guys and a girl, and we'd leapfrog here and there. The next section to the aid was this long meandering trail out through the desert. No big climbs, but super rocky, lots of dry wash crossings, etc. I was able to pretty much autopilot this section though, and I was feeling good. Hit the next aid, grabbed some Coke, chips and filled up my bottle and continued on. There was a little climb back over the peak, then a gradual descent (but with a constant up and down as you'd climb each little gully and contour), before a long stretch on the out and back, and a final 2 miles to the start.

Hit the midway point in 2:25, which was on target for a 5 hour finish, but I knew that there was no way I would be able to maintain that pace on the second loop. By that point we were all pretty spread out, and I had to pay close attention to all the course ribbons since there are dozens and dozens of trails crisscrossing this area. Up the big climb again, this time I alternated running and power hiking. My left achilies was starting to ache a little bit, and my feet were sore, but my stomach, lungs and everything else were feeling fine. I started that meandering section after the first aid station all alone, and didn't see another person for the next 7 miles or so. It seemed to freaking drag on! So many times I'd start to panic thinking I'd missed a turn or something. I finally hit that last aid station before the last sustained climb and I started getting that "I'm just done with this thing!" feeling. I made it up and over and ended up falling in behind a kid that had been in that initial group, and I could tell he was feeling as bad, if not worse than I was, and since I didnt have the energy to make a pass, I just stayed a few yards back. Every one of those little ditches where you'd drop 5 or 6 feet, then have to get back up the other side would just kill my legs. We cruised down the out and back to the last aid station, and I just refilled and went. He was spending a bit more time, so I was able to get a minute and a half lead on him. I could smell the barn at that point, so I just muscled through those last 2 miles, made the turn onto the dirt road and cruised on home. Ian Torrence handed me my custom mason jar, and I got a "way to go man" from dreamy Hal Koerner, which made my day. \:D My time was 5:37, and from what I saw posted before I left, I was 38th overall.

My legs were DONE! No cramping or anything, just an overall fatigue and soreness that actually felt pretty good. I'd ran it as hard (and smart) as I could, so I'm totally satisfied with my performance. Took a quick rinse at the outdoor shower they have at the bike park bathrooms, then got changed and ordered up my free bbq brisket sandwich from the gourmet foodtruck they had stationed at the finish. Best post race meal ever! I didnt stay long since I had to drive 3 hours out to a dry lake bed in the california desert to meet my sons Boy Scout troop for camping and rocket launching.

It was a great race through and through. Beautifully tough course, great marking, fantastic swag, and a generally awesome vibe. I'll be back to do this next year for sure!

Oh, that 23 year old kid I met the day before? He ran sub 4 hours and was 5th overall. \:o Kid is going places in this sport. He mentioned that he may be at JFK SiRacer....watch out for this guy!





Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/13 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! I know the feeling of the endless little rollers that just suck the life out of you.
Who ended up winning?
3 weeks till dipsea! Twice the elevation of your 50k in only 28 miles!


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/13 10:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That brisket sammich had to be one of the most epic things you've had in awhile. \:\)

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 07:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome writeup and congratulations on the strong finish!

Did this race change your game plan for Quad Dipsea? Running a 2:25 lap followed by a 3:12 lap = recipe for a death march at something with as much climbing as your next race \:\)

And that guy you met; are you sure his name wasn't Eric Senseman from Madison, WI? I know he's around that age and road tripping around the country. He's also fast as hell.

Oh, and I won't be worried at all about your guy at JFK - he'll be so far ahead of me after 2 miles it'll be "out of sight, out of mind" the rest of the day


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 09:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah, his name was Zack something. Once they post the results I'll tell you his last name. I actually never even got a chance to see who won it.

No change of race plan for Dipsea. It wasn't the big climbs that I had trouble with later in the race (I'm a real strong power hiker and I can hike stuff just as fast as I can run it) and Dipsea is mostly 4 big climbs and descents on each lap, none of those constant rollers and super technical terrain that beat my legs up on Saturday.

That's the hope anyways.


Ampsman in Extremis
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11/11/13 11:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm thinking about doing a double dipsea on saturday, why dont you cruise your ass up here.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 12:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That would be a great idea....too bad I have to go to my grandmas memorial. \:\(



I'm actually kind of amazed at how good my legs are feeling right now. I'm pretty much ready to go for a run right now. Probably wait till tomorrow though.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats Chris!! Great write-up.

Managed to squeeze out a 16 mile run on Friday - my longest to date - in 2:45. Surprisingly the recovery has been pretty good each week. Hoping things continue in a positive direction.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
That would be a great idea....too bad I have to go to my grandmas memorial. \:\(



I'm actually kind of amazed at how good my legs are feeling right now. I'm pretty much ready to go for a run right now. Probably wait till tomorrow though.


sorry man. \:\(


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/11/13 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job Ironmom! You beat my 50k time by an hour and a half, haha!

I decided I want to try to hit 1200 miles this year, I think I'm around 1070 right now, so should have no problems with that.

I actually want to try to train for a half Ironman in April. Though I've never biked/swam for exercise, nor do I even own a bike. So, yeah, that's probably insane but it is something to do! Lol.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

At over 2000 for the WS lottery.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
At over 2000 for the WS lottery.


Read. My. Mind.

Trying to think positive thoughts. I've gotten really excited about WS this week!

Can't wait for your joint Quad Dipsea report! You two should take a questionable photo together at the finish line


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/13 06:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer



Can't wait for your joint Quad Dipsea report! You two should take a questionable photo together at the finish line


Hopefully it wont be of the two of us sprawled out on the trail due to his lungs giving out and my legs collapsing.


Lividentity: Go for it man. The bike training to survive a half is easily doable, and as long as you can develop a decent swim technique that allows you to cover the distance comfortably, you'll have no problem doing it.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So they finally posted results:

I was 31st out of 79 finishers.

Now, if the ultra world would get in line with the rest of the racing world, and they had a 35-39 age group instead of 30-39, I was 3rd in my AG. \:\)


Oh, and going back and looking at my splits, I was off on my time for the first loop, it was actually 2:39 so my second loop was only 20 minutes slower than the first, which isn't too bad for how I was feeling.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer



Can't wait for your joint Quad Dipsea report! You two should take a questionable photo together at the finish line


Hopefully it wont be of the two of us sprawled out on the trail due to his lungs giving out and my legs collapsing.


Lividentity: Go for it man. The bike training to survive a half is easily doable, and as long as you can develop a decent swim technique that allows you to cover the distance comfortably, you'll have no problem doing it.


They'll find us spooning on the side of the trail.

I got into a 30k on saturday that goes on part of the dipsea trail, pumped!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow...I just took a look at the results and that was a very impressive field for an "off season" 50K in Nevada! I wonder why this race doesn't get more attention.

Congrats on top-half and not positive splitting quite as badly as you thought

In JFK/Eric related news: I'm sick. And may be dying (I tend to get dramatic about any slight to my health ). I first started feeling the scratchy throat a full 2 weeks ago Monday (after 9 hours of running that weekend, possibly related?) and quickly jumped on the Vitamin C/zinc train. I thought I had it licked as it never got worse but it really never got better either. I'd get 8.5 hours of sleep and still wake up fatigued, which is unusual. Fast forward to last night and I started going downhill - today I've got it all, very sore throat, headache and lots of aching in my neck (specifically wear it meets the back of my head, hurts when I turn in either direction). I just generally feel like shit at the moment.

Roughly 11 days to JFK so I've got time to heal. That's the good news. Bad news is that a few people I know here came down with something similar last month and it was a virus that took them out for 2-4 weeks. They sounded worse than I am so I hope this is unrelated.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 02:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman

I got into a 30k on saturday that goes on part of the dipsea trail, pumped!

Cheater!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Wow...I just took a look at the results and that was a very impressive field for an "off season" 50K in Nevada! I wonder why this race doesn't get more attention.

Congrats on top-half and not positive splitting quite as badly as you thought

In JFK/Eric related news: I'm sick. And may be dying (I tend to get dramatic about any slight to my health ). I first started feeling the scratchy throat a full 2 weeks ago Monday (after 9 hours of running that weekend, possibly related?) and quickly jumped on the Vitamin C/zinc train. I thought I had it licked as it never got worse but it really never got better either. I'd get 8.5 hours of sleep and still wake up fatigued, which is unusual. Fast forward to last night and I started going downhill - today I've got it all, very sore throat, headache and lots of aching in my neck (specifically wear it meets the back of my head, hurts when I turn in either direction). I just generally feel like shit at the moment.

Roughly 11 days to JFK so I've got time to heal. That's the good news. Bad news is that a few people I know here came down with something similar last month and it was a virus that took them out for 2-4 weeks. They sounded worse than I am so I hope this is unrelated.


Repeat after me: It's all in your head. It's all in your head.

\:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 02:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You'll turn me into a hypochondriac man

I keep telling myself I just need some solid rest and plenty of fluids and I'll be as fit as a fiddle in no time. I will be most bummed if this impacts JFK in a big way \:\(


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/12/13 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer



Can't wait for your joint Quad Dipsea report! You two should take a questionable photo together at the finish line


Hopefully it wont be of the two of us sprawled out on the trail due to his lungs giving out and my legs collapsing.


Lividentity: Go for it man. The bike training to survive a half is easily doable, and as long as you can develop a decent swim technique that allows you to cover the distance comfortably, you'll have no problem doing it.


I'm planning on it for sure. I'm more worried about affording a bike and the race itself ($250!) than the training for it, lol.

I want to get a tri bike and just hoping to get one off craigslist for 500-1000 and hope it is good enough, haha.

Good luck witht he Quad Dipsea guys! We're all going to have to pick an ultra to all do together in 2015, as I think we all have a good amount of plans for 2014 already.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/13 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And in other ultra news, have you guys been following the Leadville controversy?

First, Hard Rock calls them out like this on their qualifying page:

 Quote:
A note about the 2013 Leadville 100: The Leadville 100 includes many of the features that are important for a HR qualifier: high altitude, long climbs, potential for mountain weather, and more. However, the 2013 Leadville 100 ignored other traits of importance to the HR: environmental responsibility, support of the hosting community, and having a positive impact on the health of our sport. Because of timing, the 2013 LT100 will still be accepted as a qualifier for the 2014 HR. LT100 finishes will not be accepted as qualifiers for the 2015 HRH and beyond.


And that really gets people talking about what a shit show Leadville has become, particularly this past year. Eventually Leadville says this:

 Quote:
The Leadville Race Series has implemented many changes and adjustments to the Leadville Trail 100 Run with the goal of further improving this historic event.

To our valued Athletes, Crewmembers and Spectators,

Since the launch of the legendary “Race Across the Sky,” we have always upheld a commitment to improve our quality of execution and the experiences we deliver to you. 2014 will be no exception. Since August, we have implemented many changes and adjustments to the Leadville Trail 100 Run with the goal of further improving this historic event, while striving to serve the ever-growing demand of athletes and spectators alike. We truly are blessed to have the opportunity to serve so many after so many years.

With respect to growth, our number one priority is to address the dramatically increased participant numbers we experienced in 2013. In response, participant numbers will be reduced in 2014. We expect this change will significantly reduce the impact upon the course and aid station locations, while allowing for improved crew access. In addition, professional parking and crowd control crews are scheduled to work the sections of trail with the highest traffic.

With approval from the US Forest Service, the Winfield aid station area will see a new look in 2014. The proposed changes will make better use of the open land around Winfield and improve the flow of athletes and crews. Please note that only vehicles with ‘LT100 CREW’ tags will be allowed above the Sheephead gulch trailhead. ALL other spectators will be required to park below Sheephead gulch.

While Twin Lakes will continue to require all crews and spectators to park outside the city limits, bus and shuttle service will increase significantly in 2014. With this, we expect improved travel times for crews and spectators from their vehicles to the course.

With increased event demand also comes more refuse. With this in mind, plans have been made for an increase in trash receptacles at key points on course. Moreover, 2014 will see increased LT100 Run staff and volunteers assigned to remove all trash and debris from the course immediately following the event.

Above all, the Leadville Trail 100 Run is committed to contribute positively to the future of Ultra running. While we aim to extend the historic tradition of the event, it is paramount that we implement these adjustments to maintain a superior athlete experience. Looking ahead, updates pertaining to the 2014 Leadville Trail 100 Run will be provided on our Facebook page and the Leadville Race Series website.

As always, we are interested in your feedback and questions. We look forward to serving you, once again, on August 16, 2014, and wish you a safe, healthy and happy holiday season and New Year.

Best regards,
Josh Colley and the LT100 Run Staff


Which I applaud, sort of, but I'm frustrated that even now they're spinning it as "hey, we're going to continue to improve" instead of "hey, we done fucked up and here's what we're doing about it".

The debate rages on and Run100s throws its hat into the ring with:

 Quote:
11/11/13: Sorry, but I'm removing the Leadville 100 from my web site. They're no longer a part of the sport of ultrarunning, but simply a business venture.


OH SNAP \:o

I generally don't go in for gossip and drama but this has me as giddy as a school girl. Cap the race at 500 (two-time DNFers get first crack at entrance, obviously) and better control traffic and shuttles, please


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 01:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Question for y'all. Thinking back to your first marathon, do you recommend training past 20 miles? Or just build up to 20 a few weeks prior?

I think I'm more worried about the mental block that comes with running the last leg. Here are two different approaches that interest me:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/130.shtml


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you can do 20, without putting too much stress on your body opr risking injury, I definitely think you should do it. The marathon starts at mile 20 so you want your body to be trained enough so that you still have something left for that last 10k.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm pretty confident I can do 20. I think my question is more about training beyond that. Worth the risk in everyone's opinion?

EDIT - reread your post and I think I understand. Do it if the body isn't complaining too much, yes?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep. Anything over 20 will just be gravy and more of a mental help than anything.




I was able to get a 6 mild run in this morning and felt pretty good. Left achilliies is still sore, but that was about it. Oh, and I forgot about my big toenails. they're still sore as hell, and I know there's fluid under them, so they're definitely on their way out. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 02:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Oh, and I forgot about my big toenails. they're still sore as hell, and I know there's fluid under them, so they're definitely on their way out. \:D


You could at least pretend you're upset about losing some toe nails; I can tell you're tickled pink


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol, I just love the extraction process. \:D

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/13/13 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Question for y'all. Thinking back to your first marathon, do you recommend training past 20 miles? Or just build up to 20 a few weeks prior?

I think I'm more worried about the mental block that comes with running the last leg. Here are two different approaches that interest me:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51138/Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/130.shtml


The Hal Higdon training plan is the exact plan I used. Recommended to me here by Mrs. Ironmom. Now I ended up skipping 1 full week of the second half of it (after the half-marathon) because that's the way it lined up with my races. I also missed a few of the long runs (go to wedding, vacation, etc). However, I still did it and finished my marathon in 4:45. Now depending on what you're hoping to do that may or may not sound great, lol. I was hoping for 5 hours and did it, so I'm real happy about it, I'm not a fast runner.

I'd definitely say that it is a good plan, having done it. I like to just go out and run, I don't worry about speed work, fartleks, intervals, etc. I just run, though I'm slowly changing that considering I hvae more of a base built up now.

Last night I did a 2.5 mile run in 20 minutes, felt freaking awesome! Lol.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 05:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. Yeah I just want to finish in one piece.

So far the only complaints from my body are non-painful creaks and cracks in the knees. Been working in more leg lifts/curls to help compensate.

Any other suggestions appreciated.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
lol, I just love the extraction process. \:D


I'd call you gross, but... *fist bump*



So. Much. Fun.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/13 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Thanks man. Yeah I just want to finish in one piece.


Don't think too much about it and you'll be fine! I think some folks just pysch themselves out like "OMG, I'm at mile 20! I've never run this far! Everyone says this is the hard part and they hit the wall!!"

My first big race was roughly twice the distance of my longest run to date. And the course conditions were terrible. Sure, I stressed about it all the way up to the race day (couldn't sleep the night before) but on the day of? Cool as a cucumber, just keep running until somebody hands you a medal and a cold beer


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn it! I had signed up for that 30k on saturday because it goes on part of the dipsea course and I thought it would be good to get out there.
The day after I sign up Ian Sharman posts on facebook that he is leading a double dipsea group run!
I'm thinking about eating the $65 entry from the race and bailing to do the run with Sharman.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn it! I had signed up for that 30k on saturday because it goes on part of the dipsea course and I thought it would be good to get out there.
The day after I sign up Ian Sharman posts on facebook that he is leading a double dipsea group run!
I'm thinking about eating the $65 entry from the race and bailing to do the run with Sharman.


I saw that and thought "oh sweet, that must be the run ampsman is doing!"

Funny story: Ian was hanging out around the finish of UROC for hours this year and despite seeing him finish at Leadville the month before I didn't recognize him and thought "who is this rather short guy with the British accent, he looks fast" before someone called him Ian and I put the pieces together (and slapped my forehead in comic fashion).


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn it! I had signed up for that 30k on saturday because it goes on part of the dipsea course and I thought it would be good to get out there.
The day after I sign up Ian Sharman posts on facebook that he is leading a double dipsea group run!
I'm thinking about eating the $65 entry from the race and bailing to do the run with Sharman.


I saw that and thought "oh sweet, that must be the run ampsman is doing!"

Funny story: Ian was hanging out around the finish of UROC for hours this year and despite seeing him finish at Leadville the month before I didn't recognize him and thought "who is this rather short guy with the British accent, he looks fast" before someone called him Ian and I put the pieces together (and slapped my forehead in comic fashion).



My first 50k I did this year in April he was there and I didnt recognize him.
I lined up next to him, Lon Freeman and a local guy Brett Rivers who is a beast also.
I learned very quickly why they were in the front and why I shouldnt have been.
Probably why I ended up dropping.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And speaking of races this summer: I saw this guy at both Leadville and UROC. He was walking around Leadville dressed exactly like some other guy you may know - same hipsterish glasses, rolled up jeans, etc. It was eery. Same deal at UROC. I never got a (creeper) picture of him to show you guys but I found this while looking through Rickey Gates' Leadville photos - apparently he noticed a resemblance as well



This photo cracks me up so hard. That look is priceless, like he's guilty of something and has just been caught red handed

I asked some people at UROC if they knew anything about the impersonator and nobody had any idea who he was, but they'd seem him around lately. He's even rocking New Balance gear!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I saw that pic on rickeys site.
Wish we could see the bib # so we could crack the case!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I saw that pic on rickeys site.
Wish we could see the bib # so we could crack the case!


I hadn't even thought of that! Man, with a bib number we could get more hilarious race photos too. I showed that to picture to my gf and she said "man, it's like a fat Tony Krupicka" #nailedit


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/13 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
At over 2000 for the WS lottery.


At 2,500 now. I wonder how many tickets that works out to...ugh


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And in the more immediate future, I'm getting really excited. I'm still under the weather but improving every day now.



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 01:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
At over 2000 for the WS lottery.


At 2,500 now. I wonder how many tickets that works out to...ugh


Im guessing there are quite a few 2 or 3 ticket people.
My guess is close to 10,000 tickets.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, I just noticed that Rickey Gates is doing the 50k distance in the 30k that I'm doing.
Gonna see how long I can keep up with him.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 02:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Oh, I just noticed that Rickey Gates is doing the 50k distance in the 30k that I'm doing.
Gonna see how long I can keep up with him.




Good night, sweet prince

I've never been more humbled (running wise) than watching an elite fly past me on 40% grade technical trail. It's like a completely different sport at that level

And you're way off on tickets! I'll place my bet on 5,500 tickets or so. Nowhere near 10,000! Don't be pessimistic!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh and Gary Gellin, who took 12th at UROC and won way too cool a couple years ago is doing the 30k. Pretty sweet to see guys like that at a relatively small local race.
I think they are using it as prep for TNF 50 since its on the same course.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got in 10 miles and just under 2k feet this morning. Feeling pretty good. No lingering fatigue or soreness.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 05:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I saw that pic on rickeys site.
Wish we could see the bib # so we could crack the case!


I hadn't even thought of that! Man, with a bib number we could get more hilarious race photos too. I showed that to picture to my gf and she said "man, it's like a fat Tony Krupicka" #nailedit


what the internet backtrace do doe.

http://www.refuse2quit.com/2013/08/leadville-100-race-report-zac-marion.html


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 07:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fat Tony!! How did you do that man?? I'm impressed

I looked his time though and now have serious reservations about mocking a 22:XX Leadville finisher when I'm 0/2 there myself \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/13 10:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, dude seems pretty legit other than his douchey impersonation.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/13 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good race. Beautiful day on the coast and perfect temps. The little bit of dipsea that I did left me very fearful of the quad.
That trail is made up of 3 things...rocks, roots and stairs.
felt super good on the hills and decent on the descent even though technical downhill isnt really my thing. I did roll my ankle pretty bad about 5 miles in and its pretty tender now, hoping some ice and rest for a couple days will fix it up.
ended up 4th out of 104 and 2nd in age group. 18 miles and 4800 feet of elevation in 2:49.
Kept up with rickey for the first mile.
That guy is a beast...and not just his running. His shirt and his hat were filthy and he had b.o. before the race had even started.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/13 07:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man....beastly performance!!!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/13 11:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh and I ran with cassie scallon for awhile and ended up beating her by 9 minutes.
I have to admit the first time she passed me I was ok with running behind her.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/13 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn dude! 4/104 is awesome!!

And no shame in keeping up with Rickey for "only" the first mile haha. So for those of us not in the know, how does this course intersect with Quad Dipsea later this month? Was this all on the Quad course? Partly on it?

And good on your for beating Cassie! I met her at the Mt Werner Classic here in August and she finished so far ahead of me she was all cleaned up and changed by the time I made it in. I thought she was just a Salomon shoe rep since she was manning a table, but then I found out she had run (and finished), then I figured out who she was haha her and Timmy Olson holding it down for Team Wisconsin


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/13 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In other running news:
  • 2,761 people in the WS lottery, it'll be interesting to see how many get dropped as the WSER crew goes through and verifies qualifiers this week. Sneaky buggers. I'm still guessing ~5,500 tickets this year.
  • Matt Urbanski, who I've mentioned in numerous race reports, ran his first race since finishing up his Triple Crown with the CDT this summer. He was originally signed up for the trail half marathon but training went well and he jumped into the 50K at the last minute and placed 1st with a new course record by 11+ minutes. He's in the WS lottery but focused on placing well at Rocky Raccoon in February. He's had some great races at the 50 mile distance but hasn't had a really strong 100 mile showing yet so he's hoping RR will be the one. (EDIT: just talked to him again, not only did he set the CR at 50K but the marathoners and 50K runners started together and he was the first through the marathon by a good 18 minutes haha. He did the same thing last winter, he ran a 2:58 marathon in 6" of fresh snow and won the half marathon in the process!)
  • I took four days off this week (breaking my fledging 80 day running streak) to get plenty of rest and fluids and I think it helped. I've been feeling better and even got out to run my Emerald loop in a snow storm yesterday. Unfortunately, on the steeper parts of the climb my hamstrings and that damn cyst got really tight and bothersome. That cyst (from Ice Age in May) hasn't been an issue since July so I'm going to see my PT this week and just hope for the best. Nothing left to do but think positive thoughts, keep loose with some shorter runs and get in plenty of stretching.


Keep your fingers crossed for me guys!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/13 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The first 4 miles and last 4 miles of my race were on the dipsea. I basically just got to see the stinson Beach side of the trail. It basically put the fear of god in me though. its gonna be brutal.

Is your race next weekend?
Youll be golden man, you put in the time now relax and have fun.
I know easier said than done.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/13 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I can't even touch the mileage in here, but I'm pleased to say that I can crank out a couple of 5k's a week without much drama (knock on wood). 5 min walk warmup and 5 min walk cooldown plus post-run stretch and foam roll.

So much easier to do in the cold than cycling. I can sweat balls in mid-30 degree weather where I'd be miserable on the bike. Hoping I can keep it up.

Might add swimming to the mix, too. Town indoor pool is $75 for a 3-month membership.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/13 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job. Gamby....stick with it!

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/13 11:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In this case, slow and steady might actually win the race

I'm doing 10.5-11min/miles (that's with little walking breaks every few minutes tho). If I get to a point where I'm doing low-10/high 9 min/miles, I'll be pretty happy.

Looks like Thanksgiving is going to be sunny (plenty of time for that to change). I ran last Thanksgiving morning and it was awesome smelling the turkeys, fireplaces and leaves. I want to experience that again this year. \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/23/13 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Alright SiRacer....we're waiting for a report!


But holy shit...that kid I met at. Bootlegger won the damn thing! That's insane!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/13 09:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



I've heard of Zach Miller, guys a beast (obviously)!

I'll write up a more detailed report now but cliff's notes:

- So much oxygen at 500'! I wasn't breathing heavily the whole day.
- This off and on lung pain came back at on Friday morning so at the start of the race deep breaths really hurt, by the end of the day even shallow breathing hurt. My mom suspects walking pneumonia (it's been 3.5 weeks now) and I'll probably be going to the doctor when I get back to Colorado next week.
- No issues with the cyst, hydration or nutrition - great news!
- Met some great people, including a man finishing his 15th JFK out there.
- Normal soreness this morning but overall feel great - about to get brunch and put down 2,000 calories!

Final result: 9:40:47 and 318th out of 838(?)

Funny bit: I got to the race start just as the gun went off so I was at the very back of the pack and it took 48 seconds to get to the starting line. So start to finish running time was 9:39:59 haha

And I had fantastic crew and support all day - seriously, they were awesome. And my girlfriend paced 35 miles and now appreciates how different that is from running a marathon


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/13 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man...sounds like a a great day considering how you're feeling.




Just capped off a 65 mile week with a 12.5 miler after running a mile and a half with the kids at the park. Time to take it easy over the next 5 days to rest up for Dipsea! Driving up to our vacation rental in Bolinas on Wednesday.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
11/24/13 09:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I haven't posted in here in a while..man everybody is really getting the miles on on the running!!!

I started with a coach on Nov. 1st, something I'm not really used to. I used to just run when I felt like it and when I got tired just stopped. And I usually went by mileage. He does everything by heart rate, and different zones.

I went from doing about :30-:45mins of running in the morning when I wanted to, to having a full schedule. The first week was pretty easy with about 6:30hrs of training, now almost every week is right around 13-14hrs a week.

It's a lot harder to skip a workout when you have to check in with someone.

I don't think I've ever trained this much before...man I'm always hungry


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/13 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're running 13-14 hours a week? Damn. What were you running before?
I hope you took your time ramping up to that.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/13 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


I've heard of Zach Miller, guys a beast (obviously)!

I'll write up a more detailed report now but cliff's notes:

- So much oxygen at 500'! I wasn't breathing heavily the whole day.
- This off and on lung pain came back at on Friday morning so at the start of the race deep breaths really hurt, by the end of the day even shallow breathing hurt. My mom suspects walking pneumonia (it's been 3.5 weeks now) and I'll probably be going to the doctor when I get back to Colorado next week.
- No issues with the cyst, hydration or nutrition - great news!
- Met some great people, including a man finishing his 15th JFK out there.
- Normal soreness this morning but overall feel great - about to get brunch and put down 2,000 calories!

Final result: 9:40:47 and 318th out of 838(?)

Funny bit: I got to the race start just as the gun went off so I was at the very back of the pack and it took 48 seconds to get to the starting line. So start to finish running time was 9:39:59 haha

And I had fantastic crew and support all day - seriously, they were awesome. And my girlfriend paced 35 miles and now appreciates how different that is from running a marathon


Good job man! I heard it was pretty windy and cold out there. Way to hang in despite the issues, hope you get it figured out.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/13 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats guys on finishing - and great times too!




Managed to crank out an 18 miler last Friday. My longest to date. All on a treadmill.
Some guy passed by a couple hours later gawking, "you're still here??"


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
11/25/13 12:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
You're running 13-14 hours a week? Damn. What were you running before?
I hope you took your time ramping up to that.


No not just running, its a combination of running,biking, swimming and a little strength training.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/25/13 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was gonna say...that's a shitload of running. Tri training....still big numbers but makes a lot more sense. I've peaked at about 18 hours a week leading up to a few IM races. All you want to do is eat and sleep, lol.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/13 06:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks dudes! It was chilly and a bit windy but not really bad at all. I started the race in a 4oz wind jacket but took it off on the 2 mile road section and never put it back on; wearing what you see in the picture the whole race.

May be going to the doctor sooner rather than later this week. Lung pain has only gotten worse and if this is walking pneumonia it looks like they can treat it with antibiotics. It's been hanging around long enough that I feel like I've given the whole "let it work itself thing" an honest effort and am now sick of it

Good news: I thought I missed eligibility for 2014 by running so slow this weekend (9:00hr 50 miler is the A standard) but upon closer inspection my 9/15/12 TNF Madison race will get me one more year at JFK. The qualifier window was "after 9/1/11" this year, so should be "9/1/12" next year. Great news! I have no shame about sneaking in under the wire by 2 weeks haha

Girlfriend is already talking about running it next year with a goal of 7:30 and I'm quite interested in beating her


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/13 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn, has she ran any ultras before? Oh and is that her in the pic with you?

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/13 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
damn, has she ran any ultras before? Oh and is that her in the pic with you?


Yep, pacing me those last 35 miles was her first ultra. And I think it got her more excited to run her own race so she isn't hobbling along while her wretched boyfriend is coughing and shuffling like an old man. She ran a 3:19 at her first and only marathon this summer so I fully believe she could run 7:30 at her first JFK if she decided that was her goal. She's already running 60-65 mile weeks while swamped with grad school.

Of course this lights a tremendous fire under my butt for next year. She asked me what my A, B and C goals were for JFK 2014 and I said "Sub 7, Sub 7:30 and Sub you" haha

And I finally went to Urgent Care today because the lungs aren't getting any better. They suspect it is/was a viral infection and the tissue around my lungs is inflamed as a result. Gave me a prescription for an anti-inflammatory and said if it's not nipped in 72 hours it may be a bacterial infection, but this is unlikely because my breathing sounds fine.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/13 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


Dude your legs are ridiculous /envy. Good job on the run, too!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/13 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha thanks dude. It's definitely something to look at pictures from my first race in June 2012 and compare them to later races




but then I realize that despite being stronger, fitter and with more training volume behind me (at altitude no less). I was almost 30 minutes slower on an easier course this weekend.

In fact, that first race (TNF 50 in DC) was muddy, sloppy, etc and that time (9:11) is still my second fastest time for the distance. The one time everything clicked I shaved over 80 minutes off that - but my other 50 milers have all had something go wrong (some excuse, really!) and have been 9:24, 9:40 and 11:26. It's really getting to be frustrating \:\(


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/13 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

San Francisco Running company does group runs on Wednesday nights and usually have a vendor there for you to demo products.
Next week Salomon is going to be there with some of their team thats in town for TNF50.

Per their Facebook invite:
We are super excited to host:
Killian Jornet
Emelie Forsberg (2012 TNF50 Champion)
Miguel Heras (2010 & 2012 TNF50 Champion)
Anna Frost (2010 TNF50 Champion)
Ryan Sandes (2012 Leadville Champion)
Cameron Clayton (2012 3rd place @ TNF50)
Jorge Maravilla (SFRC GM! We think he won a Turkey Trot a couple years ago?)

I think I'll be joining this group run.



2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/13 09:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Geez - that's an unbelievable group run! Take pictures like a nerd and report back!

My buddy Jeff, from Leadville/Ironman fame, lives in San Francisco now and I'd tell him about this but I know he wouldn't give two shits. We're quite opposite in that respect. He knows nothing about the elite runners in the sport or what races are when. He just enjoys running most days and when he gets an itch he'll find a calendar and register for a race 6 months out, train for it, and do it. Doesn't read iRunFar, doesn't follow any sort of news, etc.

And amps, we were both off on the Western States lottery ticket count!

http://www.wser.org/lottery2014.html

2,715 entrants with 4,316 tickets. 1,700+ people with 1 ticket and only 561 with 2 tickets (I was surprised by this).

6.4% odds with one ticket, roughly 12.5% with two. Eek.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/13 11:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, we're here settled into our house in Bolinas...drove over the hills well run on Saturday, and yep....lots of climbing!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/13 12:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Well, we're here settled into our house in Bolinas...drove over the hills well run on Saturday, and yep....lots of climbing!


Wait till you see all the stairs.
How far are you from mill valley?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/13 12:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Like 30 minutes. About 5 from the turnaround in Stinson.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/13 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Remember guys: Thanksgiving is just a jump start on carbo loading - attack those rolls with relish

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/28/13 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


but then I realize that despite being stronger, fitter and with more training volume behind me (at altitude no less). I was almost 30 minutes slower on an easier course this weekend.

In fact, that first race (TNF 50 in DC) was muddy, sloppy, etc and that time (9:11) is still my second fastest time for the distance. The one time everything clicked I shaved over 80 minutes off that - but my other 50 milers have all had something go wrong (some excuse, really!) and have been 9:24, 9:40 and 11:26. It's really getting to be frustrating \:\(


Do you think that first time was partly from an adrenaline rush? Sounds kinda dumb, but kinda like an ultimate runner's high. That new experience really pushing you. All your times are still really good (except maybe that 11:26 lol, but then again it's not like I am running that shit), so you still have to put it into perspective. But I understand your disappointment. You would think with constant practice, performance would improve. Long term fatigue could be a real possibility.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/13 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


but then I realize that despite being stronger, fitter and with more training volume behind me (at altitude no less). I was almost 30 minutes slower on an easier course this weekend.

In fact, that first race (TNF 50 in DC) was muddy, sloppy, etc and that time (9:11) is still my second fastest time for the distance. The one time everything clicked I shaved over 80 minutes off that - but my other 50 milers have all had something go wrong (some excuse, really!) and have been 9:24, 9:40 and 11:26. It's really getting to be frustrating \:\(


Do you think that first time was partly from an adrenaline rush? Sounds kinda dumb, but kinda like an ultimate runner's high. That new experience really pushing you. All your times are still really good (except maybe that 11:26 lol, but then again it's not like I am running that shit), so you still have to put it into perspective. But I understand your disappointment. You would think with constant practice, performance would improve. Long term fatigue could be a real possibility.


I suppose that's possible but it really seems like something goes wrong at races and that results in slower times.

Race 1: Everything went well, ran myself to exhaustion - 9:11
Race 2: Everything went well, ran myself to exhaustion - 7:47
Race 3: Everything went well to mile 36, not enough training to keep pushing after that. Quads cramped up and walked quite a bit. My fault for not getting in more mileage - 9:24
Race 4: IT band tightened up, forced to hike 37 miles - giving myself a baker's cyst for my trouble - 11:26
Race 5: Viral infection leaves lungs/surrounding tissue inflamed. Breathing hurts and performance suffers - 9:40

It's not like I've been running hard and just getting slower, I've just had three races in a row where *something* prevents me from just running. I really do think I'm fitter/stronger than that second race now, just need to put all the pieces together and not have something stupid go wrong on race day \:\(


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/13 02:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to atone for Thanksgiving's atrocities. 13.1 miles in just under two hours tonight.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/13 08:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck at Quad Dipsea today guys!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/13 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesomely tough day on the trails today. Brutal climbing and descending. Race report to come.

Me and Ampsman at the finish. Hd only had to wait about 30 minutes for me.



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/13 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Incredible day! Dave Mackey killed it and broke the course record, its amazing to see the guys at that level...2nd place must have been at least 20 minutes back.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/13 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That mustache

Glad to hear it went well - looking forward to the report!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/13 01:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/05/13 10:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a fitness test at my job this morning, which included a 1.5mile run. I decided not to run the last 2 days to be rested for it. I wake up and my left calf is sore as hell, must have cramped in my sleep or something, oh well. Then when I started running my quads were sore too, but loosened up. I think that's mostly from running fast. I am generally not a fast runner, I can maintain a 9:30 pace pretty well, and my fastest mile is only under 8 mins.

I forgot to wear my Garmin watch, but I did 4 laps in 6:57 and did the full 1.5miles in 10:08. Which is great, because I needed to do it in 10:17 for an Excellent score. So that was awesome to not feel 100% and still do my fastest mile/1.5mile ever. And over 2.5 hours later my legs are still sore from it lol.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/13 11:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went to an awesome event at SF running company last night. Most of team salomon is in town for the TNF50 so they had a demo/meet and greet/group run. Kilian, Cam, Emelie, Miguel, Jorge and Ryan Sandes. I was hoping to demo the sense pro but they didnt have them so I tried the Mantras which I had tried before and wasnt a huge fan of but thought I would give them another shot. It was madness in that tiny shop, a hundred plus people squeezed in to meet these guys. Kilian is one tiny little man and Emelie is pretty damn cute.
Finally headed out for the run, I dont know my way around there very well, especially at night so I followed the lead guys. We were headed out to tennessee valley and up a nice 1.5 mile hill called marincello for a total of about 7 miles. I was cruising behind these guys at a conservative 7:30 or so pace and they are chatting and I realize its Alex Varner (just won bootlegger) and Gary Gellin (former way too cool winner) and I'm like sweet lets see how long I can hang.
We hit the hill and there is one guy in front of them and they mention if anyone is going to hammer it on the hill. I am feeling pretty good and its a wide trail so I take off and pass them.
I hang in front of them for about a half mile, not really feeling like im even pushing it to hard, when they finally cruise past me. We get to the top of the hill and stop to wait for everyone else.
It was pretty sweet, pitch black at the top of this hill with an incredible view of the city.
Next thing I know, who cruises up by bryon powell.
Pretty cool to see him out there and chat for a minute.
Once everyone made it up we hammered it down the hill and cruised back to the shop for some pizza.
Pretty sweet night.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/13 01:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jelly.


Its too bad your #1 boyfriend Sage is out this weekend with the flu. \:\(


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/13 08:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Jelly.


Its too bad your #1 boyfriend Sage is out this weekend with the flu. \:\(


Oh snap! Didnt know that. \:\(


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/13 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Missed a 10 min/mile by *that much*!!! Gahhh!!!



Drizzly 44 degree run tonight. Felt VERY good and it's nice to see improvement.

I'm WAY stronger on my bike trainer at the moment, so it seems to be translating to better running--which is awesome. I've been foamrolling the Christ out of my IT bands and it seems to be working (so far).

Again, not impressive by REAL runner standards, but if I can bang out a sub 30-min 5k, I'm a happy guy. \:\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/13 05:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Jelly.


Its too bad your #1 boyfriend Sage is out this weekend with the flu. \:\(


Oh snap! Didnt know that. \:\(


False - you probably gave it to him ;\)

Sounds like an awesome run though!! I'm still unpacking boxes and stuff in my apartment so tomorrow I'm going to plug into the WS lottery and listen to that while occasionally checking TNF standings. SO MUCH ULTRA


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They just called an Eric and my heart jumped...too stressful!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/western-states-endurance-run-lottery

The Urbanski brothers are in it too, so every Jeff, Matt or Eric I hear is intense!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sorry to our first time rejections from the lottery. \:\(

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Sorry to our first time rejections from the lottery. \:\(


I'm a 2x rejection \:\(

but that's OK, that means for 2014 I'll do San Juan Solstice instead of Western States and then if
I can manage to qualify under the new standards I'll have 3 tickets in what will probably be a much smaller lottery

When they did the raffle drawing at the end I started doing the math of how many $5 raffle tickets would I need to buy for 50% chance at entry?? It was a huge number. You could spend $5,000 on raffle tickets and still only have a ~13-15% chance.

Someday, if I end up with more money than patience, I'll spend $30,000 on raffle tickets (it's a tax write off) and get into the race like some sort of Bond villain haha

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well poo.
Oh well, thinking about getting on on the tahoe rim 100 lottery and I'm definitely doing the bishop 100k in May. To many good races out there to get bummed about western states.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 05:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Krar is a beast.
I think the highlight of the day though was dakota jones finishing the race despite having the flu in 9:40. You just dont see that type of thing from elites, seems that most of them will drop at the slightest hint of anything not quite right. I have a new found respect for Dakota.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/13 10:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Krar is a beast.
I think the highlight of the day though was dakota jones finishing the race despite having the flu in 9:40. You just dont see that type of thing from elites, seems that most of them will drop at the slightest hint of anything not quite right. I have a new found respect for Dakota.



Agreed. It shows a lot of respect for all the age groupers out there struggling just to make cut offs and finish...total class act.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/13 12:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Krar is a beast.
I think the highlight of the day though was dakota jones finishing the race despite having the flu in 9:40. You just dont see that type of thing from elites, seems that most of them will drop at the slightest hint of anything not quite right. I have a new found respect for Dakota.



Agreed. It shows a lot of respect for all the age groupers out there struggling just to make cut offs and finish...total class act.


+1

I get the rationale of elites dropping to save themselves for another day - but it still irks me. Dakota has always come across as a really awesome dude. And he's funny as hell, I hope he writes a book some day

And congrats to Krar! It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. And today should cinch UROY for him I would imagine. I can't see how they could give it to anyone else now. The only argument would be Jon Olsen but I think Rob's just done too damn much this year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/13 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well shit...I went and did it. Followed along this morning as my brother Boston Qualified and it inspired me to give it another go. Surf City round two on February 2nd.

No plans this time...just keep running lots and lots.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/13 02:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck dude!! What do you need to run to BQ?

And on an unrelated note, I saw Ian Sharman post something about coaching and it's got me thinking about it. I'd love to hear your opinions on hiring a coach - I've always thought hiring a coach was pretty lame unless you're an elite runner. I thought midpackers hiring coaches was for rich people trying to find shortcuts to "just run".

That said, I've been employing my "eh, just go out and run" style of training for almost three years now and clearly it's not really working for me. I've had one good race performance to show me I'm not reaching my potential and every other race has been 90+ minutes slower. This year I'd really like to finish up Leadville and get that done while securing my third WS lottery ticket. I'm thinking 6 months of coaching (Feb-July) would do it and I would probably learn a lot that I could implement on my own moving forward. I didn't run track/X-country in high school, college, etc so I've never had any instruction. It's been me fumbling around, getting hurt, adapting, and moving forward for three years.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
12/08/13 05:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran a couple of races the past 2 weeks. The first one was a Turkey Trot 5 miler through Cleveland. It's a fun race I've done the past few years, alot of people dress up in different costumes. My teammate and I thought it would be fun to wear the Pac-Man costumes I made a few years ago for Halloween. Dumb idea, I was snowy, icy, and windy. We still managed to cross the finish line in 51min. The best was hearing people yelling that they couldn't believe they were going to lose to Pac-Man We didn't win the race but we one best costume which was tickets to the Cleveland Monsters hockey game.



The other race was a 10k to support the Christmas Story House. Even more people dressed up. It was freezing cold and crowded. My coach told me not to race it, but to run it and keep my heart rate in higher zone 2 (148-158bpm). Wasn't a bad run but I really wanted to race all out. I finished up at 45:37, 17th out of 102 in my age group and 72 out of 1580 overall, not to bad for not really racing. I pretty much did it for the finishers medal.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/13 07:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's an awesome medal.... And you are nuts for wearing the Pacman costume.


Eric: I have to run sub 3:10. 3:09:59 is officially qualifying but with the tiered sign up system, I need to be a few minutes under to insure a spot. This will be for the '15 race.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/13 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yikes - that sounds so freaking fast to me. Good luck and keep us posted dude!



This guy just ran the Seattle Marathon last weekend - placed 9th in 2:41 on a rather slow course. He's running Rocky Raccoon in February with hopes of having a breakout performance at the 100 mile distance but is looking for a flatter, faster marathon to run in the interim.

And his little brother, Jeff, ran TNF in San Francisco yesterday with a bloody chest cold and almost zero training since his Ironman in September. Finished in 11:40 and said it was awful


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 02:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Well shit...I went and did it. Followed along this morning as my brother Boston Qualified and it inspired me to give it another go. Surf City round two on February 2nd.

No plans this time...just keep running lots and lots.


See you there. Looking to finish up my Beach Cities Challenge with HB.

 Originally Posted By: lessthanmike
I ran a couple of races the past 2 weeks. The first one was a Turkey Trot 5 miler through Cleveland. It's a fun race I've done the past few years, alot of people dress up in different costumes. My teammate and I thought it would be fun to wear the Pac-Man costumes I made a few years ago for Halloween. Dumb idea, I was snowy, icy, and windy. We still managed to cross the finish line in 51min. The best was hearing people yelling that they couldn't believe they were going to lose to Pac-Man We didn't win the race but we one best costume which was tickets to the Cleveland Monsters hockey game.



The other race was a 10k to support the Christmas Story House. Even more people dressed up. It was freezing cold and crowded. My coach told me not to race it, but to run it and keep my heart rate in higher zone 2 (148-158bpm). Wasn't a bad run but I really wanted to race all out. I finished up at 45:37, 17th out of 102 in my age group and 72 out of 1580 overall, not to bad for not really racing. I pretty much did it for the finishers medal.


Great time!! Lol @ the costume.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Small victories--Sub 10 minute mile:





Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man.


Started the bay off badly when I was thwarted from my 10 mile trail run by gridlock on the 405. Decided instead to head down the beach path . The wind was howling and blowing sand in my shoes and face on the outbound 5 miles, and struggled to stay in the 7:40 range. Made the turn and decided to push it to see if I still had any speed in my legs. Stayed down around 7:00 flat and had two miles in the high 6's and negative split it by 4 minutes.

Felt really good since that is a section of the marathon in February, and I haven't been feeling all that fast in the last few months of trail running/racing.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 04:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So nobody here has an opinion about working with a coach? Good or bad?

Either way, I mailed a check off today - prepaid 6 months of coaching beginning in January (giving myself a few final weeks to be swamped with work, not run and get fat). This was the money I was going to use to buy a gun, so it looks like I'll be gun-less for another few months at least (oh well, I've made it 28 years, right?). Getting excited for a strong 2014 season


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 05:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. \:\)

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
struggled to stay in the 7:40 range. Made the turn and decided to push it to see if I still had any speed in my legs. Stayed down around 7:00 flat and had two miles in the high 6's


That's my sprint


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/13 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's all relative. I was right where you are not that long ago. ;\)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 09:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like I made it in the Way Too Cool lottery again.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/11/13 09:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterday was the first time I've ever done repeats. They were 400meter repeats.
Here's my Garmin report: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/414497530

Question about repeats. I'm doing a Hal Higdon Half-Marathon Advanced schedule (thanks again to Mrs. Ironmom for showing me Hal Higdon) and for repeats he said to jog/walk in between. I decided to jog back and forth. He doesn't say how far/long to do it. So I did 400meters, then jogged 400meters, back and forth. Is this what you guys do? Later on I'll be doing 800meter/1600meter repeats. Do you do a "cooldown" of the same distance each time?

Also, I decided to change my racing schedule, I don't feel like doing those 20+ mile runs every week right now. I'm training to do Gasparilla in February. Going to sign up for the "ultra challenge" for it. It is a 15k and 5k on Saturday followed by a half-marathon and 8k on Sunday. Should be pretty awesome.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

When I do Yasso 800's, I jog a 400 in between each 800.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/11/13 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Would you change that for each distance? Doing a 400 between each 400 seems fine, even 800. But if you're doing 1600 would you still only do a 400 in between? Or up it to 800?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Probably...just take it easier as the distance goes up. The whole point is to push your body hard, so you don't want to be taking naps between, but the idea is to maintain some kind of consistency as well, so you need to recover too.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 03:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Looks like I made it in the Way Too Cool lottery again.


Looking forward to seeing your year over year improvement


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 04:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be shooting for a 4:30, which would be an 18 minute improvement over this year.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

36ish seconds a mile is no joke! Good luck, sir.

Anyone thinking about White River outside Seattle? Matt may be getting a free entry and I'm thinking of joining him there.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
36ish seconds a mile is no joke! Good luck, sir.

Anyone thinking about White River outside Seattle? Matt may be getting a free entry and I'm thinking of joining him there.


Why dont you come out for the Bishop 100k in May.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Because my May and June are already spoken for with Collegiate Peaks and San Juan Solstice - why don't you come out for a proper mountain event and do San Juan with me??

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/13 06:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hmmm...san juan sounds like it might be fun.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/12/13 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
hmmm...san juan sounds like it might be fun.


Don't toy with me...


**DONOTDELETE**
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12/12/13 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
36ish seconds a mile is no joke! Good luck, sir.

Anyone thinking about White River outside Seattle? Matt may be getting a free entry and I'm thinking of joining him there.

I was thinking about it, but I don't think I'll be ready. I grew up like 5 miles from there, so I may come by to watch or volunteer.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/13 02:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hello, what's this?



Farthest I've run in over 20 years. Felt pretty decent, too. I was curious if I could do 5 comfortably. There's my answer. \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/13 03:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/13/13 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! You're kicking ass g@mby! I've been seeing you post in here. Keep it up and you'll be throwing down in no time.

Granted, I'm coming up to 2 years of running soon and I'm nowhere close to these crazy people and their Bostom qualifying and such nonsense. I've gotten down to my slower running being 9:30 per mile and fast is 8:30, or faster on a good day.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/13 03:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks folks! I'm pretty stoked about it. \:\)

This is all for the sake of winter cross training while I'm not getting any road miles on the bike (doing 3 1-hour trainer sessions a week indoors). I was sweating balls in windy 27 degree weather today (after the first 1.5 miles or so), so clearly I can do this through the winter. I'm hoping to keep doing it at least once a week during the warmer months so I don't lose what built up.

Just like the bike, clearly the whole "base miles" thing has some serious validity.

We'll see where it goes...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/13 01:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Hello, what's this?



Farthest I've run in over 20 years. Felt pretty decent, too. I was curious if I could do 5 comfortably. There's my answer. \:\)


Good job man. You're getting hooked!


Nailed a 20 mile run tonight. Longest to date. Not sure I can train much further on the treadmill watching Netflix. Battery got to 2% my last mile.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/13 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 miles on a treadmill? Good job though man!!

I was going to do a long trail run this morning but decided to mix it up and try and run fast for a change.
Did 16 miles on some bike paths in 1:50:54.
Stopped once at a water fountain for a drink but didnt take in anything else and felt super good the whole time. Pretty pumped about that.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/13 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! It's fun to throw some speed in there every once in awhile. \:D

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/13 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
20 miles on a treadmill?


Impressive tho


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice! It's fun to throw some speed in there every once in awhile. \:D


I'm dreading the possibility of speed work in 2014. I did a single 3x mile w/ 400m recovery this fall and my god - I'd rather run 30 miles of mountains than do that again


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
20 miles on a treadmill? Good job though man!!


Thanks man. I need to get over the fear of being stranded without resources. Looking for a way to carry fluids and energy packs efficiently.

How you guys run 10+ miles without food/water is beyond me. Damn impressive.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Handheld bottle with a pouch for gels. Easy peasy.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So between having a toddler and spending more time on airplanes than anywhere else for the last three months, I haven't been running. Did the Run for Chocolate 5k today in 25 degree weather. Finished in just over 29 minutes which is four minutes off my PR but fine for hardly running. And I would have been faster had I not had to walk at 2 miles for fear of shitting myself It also wasn't a good race to go PR due to the number of people and the ice to dodge on the road.

Need to get started again now that my travel will die down for a while. Looking to do the St. Pat's 5 miler in under 40 minutes. Did it in 41:20 or so a couple of years ago so should be doable with some discipline.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/15/13 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm doing a 5k this Friday at 7pm. Found it to be a really odd timing, but the 5k on Saturday I wanted to do ended up selling out.

Just hit over 1200 miles on the year as well. Looking to hit 1250, which is awesome since my original goal was 1000, which I thought was nuts, lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 08:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did 15 this evening to cap off my biggest running week ever by 6 miles....71.5. Feeling strong!

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/13 09:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Freezing rain last night, wife bought some spikes and they worked great. 40k this week.

Pace is slow because ice and running through snow. Hearts on Fire is on my playlist.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/13 02:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Just did 15 this evening to cap off my biggest running week ever by 6 miles....71.5. Feeling strong!




Nice! I'm 69 miles away from 2000 and thinking about trying to knock it out this week with a couple long runs this weekend.
It would be nice to have a whole week off before starting next years training.


Did you say you are doing american river 50? I'm thinking about getting in on that, I wanted to do an april 50 to get ready for bishop in may.
I was going to do Lake Sonoma but I got drunk at my xmas party on saturday night and slept thru the signups.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/13 04:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, yep I'm signed up and it's still open. Do it!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/19/13 11:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

http://whereeastturnswest.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/for-ones-who-cant-jfk-50-mile-race.html?m=1

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/20/13 01:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love that dude.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/23/13 01:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

New weekly PR: 72 miles. Was at 66 as of yesterday, and spent all day riding coasters and eating junkfood at Six Flags. Wasnt planning on running, but when I got home I felt like I needed to. It was cold and foggy, but I took the dog with me for the first time in ages and it felt fantastic. 43 miles to go to hit my 2k mile goal.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/13 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Milestones:


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/13 06:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Does run keeper have a pause function that will stop time when you stop? I have to stop at the odd red light and I use Endomundo but the pause function is pretty hit and miss.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/13 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I only use Runkeeper to log my miles...I don't carry my phone on my runs. I use my Garmin and manually stop it at lights and such.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/13 10:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You can pause on Runkeeper. That's assuming one doesn't mind manually toggling the screen to do so.

Chris - that mileage is damn impressive. I sense a solid performance at HB.

Oh and almost forgot... New distance record; 21 miles in 3:41:50. Yes, all on the treadmill.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/13 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! That's impressive!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/30/13 08:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man 2k miles is nuts! I see you dipped in summer and really ramped it back up here in Fall/Winter. Good job man. Just today I hit 1250 miles on the year. After last year doing 385, so I'm proud of that. My goal was 1000. I got my run tomorrow yet to finish the year, probably around 1255. \:\)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/13 08:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah. The dip was when I was training hard for IM Tahoe so I had to back off the runs to squeeze in swim and bike training.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
12/30/13 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice jobe Chris!!

Here's what I have logged for Dec. so far
Swim: 15.55 miles
Bike: 208.92 miles
Run: 78.12 miles
Total: 302.59 miles

I'm about to hop on the bike trainer now and still have one day to go


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/13 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah. The dip was when I was training hard for IM Tahoe so I had to back off the runs to squeeze in swim and bike training.


Time to go for 3,000 in 2014?


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/30/13 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Heck you can hit 2600 just by doing a 100miler every other weekend. You can fill out the other 400 easy enough.

On a serious note, I want to start biking and swimming next year so my run total will probably drop as well. Which is fine, more worried about overall fitness than just running. \:\)


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/13 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



I got into a rhythm, so I kept going until I started to struggle. Ended up doing ~10k at a damn good pace for me. \:\)

I only did ~2800 miles on my bike and some of you fuckers are running close to that.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/13 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Heck you can hit 2600 just by doing a 100miler every other weekend. You can fill out the other 400 easy enough.


http://www.irunfar.com/2013/01/werunfar-liz-bauer-and-scott-brockmeier.html

You joke, but this 53 year old woman ran 36 100-mile races in the 2012 calendar year. Her husband/partner ran 27.

3,600 miles. Spread across 36 races. I see a couple sections where she ran one a weekend for three consecutive weekends!

Months before I had any idea who she was I ran into her at Leadville. I politely said "on your left" as I was passing her on the single track around Turquoise Lake and she said "yeah yeah, go ahead and pass me but I'll be passing you again on the road section!!" and not in a particularly fun and friendly way. I heard other people grumbling about what a jerk she was out there too, but I guess if that's your 22nd 100 miler of the year you get a free pass to be a bit touchy


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 12:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 11 tonight at 6:49 pace and felt fantastic! I'm just hoping I can feel that good on February 2nd!


That puts me at 263 miles for the month. I'm planning on at least another 10 tomorrow, so I'll be finishing out the year with a huge month for me!


If I don't puss out on signing up for Leadville in 2 days, I could very well hit 3k miles next year with all the training I'll be doing.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 12:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby


I got into a rhythm, so I kept going until I started to struggle. Ended up doing ~10k at a damn good pace for me. \:\)

I only did ~2800 miles on my bike and some of you fuckers are running close to that.


Nice job on the running man!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 10:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I ran 11 tonight at 6:49 pace and felt fantastic! I'm just hoping I can feel that good on February 2nd!


That puts me at 263 miles for the month. I'm planning on at least another 10 tomorrow, so I'll be finishing out the year with a huge month for me!


If I don't puss out on signing up for Leadville in 2 days, I could very well hit 3k miles next year with all the training I'll be doing.


That's huge man!! T-Minus 15 hours now...

Do you guys have scales and track your weight? My brother got a scale for christmas that syncs with an app over Wifi and it looks sweet. Part of me thinks a wifi enabled bathroom scale is utterly ridiculous...but the more I think about it the more I like the idea of stepping on a scale twice a day and having all the data automatically uploaded and compiled for me. I don't care enough to track it in excel but it'd be fun to know.

I've got a good 12-14 pounds to lose over the next 6 months - I'm not too worried but a scale would help keep me accountable.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a Detecto doctor's scale that came with my house. I weigh in once a week and write it on the calendar that I track all of my workouts on.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

BTW--I'm pretty damn sore from that last run. I guess doubling my usual mileage has its ramifications

Thankfully, it's just aches and not injuries tho


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not sure the brand of my scale, but I haven't used it in a few months. I need to get back on it though. Hoping to drop 5 or so pounds in January so I'm a bit lighter come race day on the 2nd.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just ordered a wifi scale so I can track this stuff. I have about ~13 pounds to lose by August and then hope to maintain that weight through November.

And BIG NEWS, my little brother (the dreadlocked one) who used to smoke cigarettes and pound energy drinks has gotten involved in meditation, healthy eating and increasingly endurance sports over the past year or so. He's ridden a couple 100 milers on my mom's old bike (including a 130 mile solo effort) and just yesterday signed up for the TNF DC 50 miler in June. His longest run to date has been 21 miles but I think he'll be fine. It's amazing to see how far he's come over the past 3-5 years. Good stuff bro


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I only gained 2 lbs over the holidays (only so much damage I can do tonight), which is awesome compared to the 7 lbs I gained over the holidays last year. I'm having a much easier time watching the diet this time around.

I'm happy at 185-186, and I'm 188 now.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 01:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I ran 11 tonight at 6:49 pace and felt fantastic! I'm just hoping I can feel that good on February 2nd!


Well here's hoping you don't overdo it.


Gamby - nice times man. Keep it up!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/13 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I ran 11 tonight at 6:49 pace and felt fantastic! I'm just hoping I can feel that good on February 2nd!


Well here's hoping you don't overdo it.


Gamby - nice times man. Keep it up!


Lol, I know. I'm convinced my success will come down to mostly pure luck. \:D last nights run was a big confidence booster though. Being able to run that quick, without that much effort, with this many many miles on my legs tells me my body wants to do it. I just need to get to that start line well rested, and mentally sharp so I don't make any mistakes.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/31/13 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It is awesome when your body is just right for a run (even better if it is a race!). I did a "hill" repeat tonight. I ran over a bridge and back for 3 laps, so 6 times over it. I didn't feel like I was going fast but my miles were right around 8:30. I was like ok well doing hills at that pace kicks ass!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/14 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh my!



**DONOTDELETE**
()
01/01/14 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Best of luck man, look forward to the stories and pictures. Even though I don't aspire to run 100 mile races, there's something awesome about leadville(as someone who loves belt buckles, I'm jelloc).

Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/01/14 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So you did it huh? I haven't decided if I want to or not. Right at this moment I don't have $300 to spend on it regardless. But if registration stays open for a week and I get paid I'd be able to afford it.

Guess I'll have to see if you guys (and myself) can talk me into it. :P


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/14 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Leadville on a bike is gnarly. Running it is cray.

You guys are something else. ;\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/14 09:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Oh my!





And I just saw the race is sold out. They say the cap was "several hundred fewer slots" than last year so it should be a great event and not the total mess it was last year.

It's still wild that it sold out in 20 hours. In my *cough* extensive history of registering for this darn race I've signed up as much as 6 weeks after it opens. Wild stuff!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/14 10:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The quest for speed continues. Today I watched a video that Sage Canaday did on his tips for training for a sub 3 hour road marathon, and one of the 3 suggestions was doing 2 mile repeats. God damn they are hard, but I can see how they are really good for getting you mentally fit to keep moving fast when you get tired. Heres what my run looked like:



Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/03/14 07:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn that's moving! 12.5 miles with like a 7 minute or so average pace? I feel like I'm flying when I'm able to hit the 8-8:30 pace, haha. Keep it up you'll have no problem doing a Boston Qualifier.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/14 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm finding the REAL kicker to be cramping. And from all the reading it appears I'm depleting glycogen too quickly. In my quest to do 21 last week, I started cramping pretty bad around mile 20. Pretty sure my fuel and hydration are good. So I think I'm going to slow down just a tad and see if length/performance improves.

Chris - wondering if you're encountering similar issues on your longer runs, at or near your race pace?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/14 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Salt tabs! One or two of those an hour and you'll be good to go. I personally use the Salt Stick brand which you can get at REI. I don't cramp very often, but if I do, as soon as I can get some salt in me, they're gone within a few minutes.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/14 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. Will try it out next week and see if things improve.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/14 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I'm finding the REAL kicker to be cramping. And from all the reading it appears I'm depleting glycogen too quickly. In my quest to do 21 last week, I started cramping pretty bad around mile 20. Pretty sure my fuel and hydration are good. So I think I'm going to slow down just a tad and see if length/performance improves.

Chris - wondering if you're encountering similar issues on your longer runs, at or near your race pace?


You could also try using Hammer Heed as your sports drink. I rode a rather warm century this summer using that as my sports drink and no cramping at all--compared to prior long distance rides where cramping became a minor/major issue.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/14 06:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. I ordered the Salt Tabs from Amazon. If they don't have an improvement next week I'll try changing things up again. I usually go through 32 oz of G2 but sodium is only around 400 mg.

13 miler starts in about an hour.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/04/14 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Quick running this morning!

My previous fastest mile was 7:25 for a 1 mile run. (At least while using my Garmin, I ran a sub 7 minute mile for a fitness test, but didn't have my Garmin on me to verify the time/distance, so not counting it)

This morning had to do a 3 mile run, so went out kinda hard, hoping to be in the 8-8:30 pace, which is my harder run pace. First mile ticks at 7:22! I was like holy cow that's my fastest mile! So I just wanted to try to keep up, then mile 2 ticks by at 7:11! I was like how am I going faster?! It was 50 degrees out, which is nice, but just enough to make my lungs burn some from the hard breathing, and my legs are starting to get sore/fatigued from running hard. But I push through for the third mile to tick by at 7:12! So it was under 22 minutes for 3 miles.

My fastest 5k is 27:43 (like 1.5 years ago) and I was on pace to beat that by 5 and a half minutes! Basically run in the morning and it made my whole day better. =]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/14 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man! I love that feeling of speed out of nowhere.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 12:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone ever have intermittent pain on the top of your foot? It actually goes away after about a mile and is only mildly uncomfortable, but there are some days when I can barely tighten my laces because it hurts so bad and then other days its perfectly fine.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like extensor tendonitis. Sometimes caused by lacing your shoes too tightly.

I had that once and it turned out to be something with the front of my calf (by the bone) and the tendons running down over the ankle. I massaged the front of my calf and those tendons for a few days and it went away.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds weird....but yeah maybe some inflammation or bruising that gets aggrivated if your laces are too tight or sitting in the wrong spot?


All I know is that I had a super shitty 19 mile long run last night. After a great week of confidence boosting fast shorter runs, I think I was just tired. My goal was to do it (running the same course as the marathon) and stay close to race pace. That went out the window after the first mile where I was fighting the wind (it on the beach and the afternoon winds always pick up) and everything seemed like a huge effort. Managed to average a 7:45, which is what everyone says your long run effort should be like (:30 to 1:00 slower than race pace) but I had to stop a few times to get the HR down.

Oh well, I gutted it out, and I know its the cumulative effect of all these runs that will decide my performance, but it was still a bummer.

Then I got up this morning and ran another 6 and felt the same way. I should have taken the day off, lol.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 05:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Sounds like extensor tendonitis. Sometimes caused by lacing your shoes too tightly.

I had that once and it turned out to be something with the front of my calf (by the bone) and the tendons running down over the ankle. I massaged the front of my calf and those tendons for a few days and it went away.


Interesting. Ill look into that as a possibility.

Oh, I signed up for my fist race of the year this saturday! Only 22 miles but it looked like a fun/fast course and I needed some motivation to get in a long run this weekend.


2000SiRacer
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01/06/14 05:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"only 22 miles"

I love it

What's the course like?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 05:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
"only 22 miles"

I love it

What's the course like?


http://www.coastaltrailruns.com/cs_wntr_crystal_springs.html

Oh and I just noticed that Sharman is running the 50k there!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 05:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

There's a marathon and 50K option available and you've signed up for the 22 miler?




Just kidding, but seriously


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/14 05:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



I know, kinda random but it seemed like a fun distance.
I also was planning to do back to back long runs this weekend so it works out good distance wise.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/14 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I bet you kill that race!

I'm feeling better about my bad run the other day. Talked to my brother and he said he had several of those horrible days. I've also been reading various threads on Slowtwitch about people qualifying, the plans they used, etc..and I seem to be right in line with a lot of them.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/14 05:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You have to embrace the shitty long runs, I honestly find the more shitty training runs I have the better race I have.

Did some nice hill repeats today, 1x1200m, 2x800m and 3x400m. Such a bang for the buck workout.


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/08/14 05:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Starting to get my miles humming.

I've set a goal, minimum 10 miles a week this year, I've done 500 mile years before, but it's been a while. My target is for 730(avg 2/day).

I know it ain't shit for you ultra guys, but running is just one thing for me, not THE thing.
Gotta plan some races soon too. Gotta have a purpose for putting the time in(though my last 2 1/2s I did almost no prep for).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/14 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, a planned out race year is the way to go.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/14 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On that note, signed up for the OC Chili Race series. A 10 mile trail run every month through March, right in my back yard (which happen to also fit perfectly into my taper schedule).
http://bookthatevent.com/trailrun/


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/14 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! I wish we had a local series like that.

Design
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01/11/14 12:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

22 miles tonight on the treadmill. 3:50:13.

1 Salt Tab every hour did the trick.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/14 12:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also a new record of 34 miles in a week.

Sir Ironpool
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01/11/14 02:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Told ya! Congrats!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/14 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
22 miles tonight on the treadmill. 3:50:13.

1 Salt Tab every hour did the trick.


holy fuck shit. You are nuts...but in a good way.

Did a 35k trail race this morning, ended up 2nd overall and 5 minutes off the previous course record, finishing in 2:55. Felt super solid the whole race, did only 2 v fuel gels the whole time cause my stomach was a little off but never felt depleted. Felt great on the hills especially, it had about 3800 feet of vert but was super runnable. I could defnitely tell I am getting stronger on the downhills which has always been my weakness. After the first climb around 5 miles in I was with a pack of 4 other guys, and I broke away once we summited and expected them to be on my heels but I never saw them again till I hit the turnaround and was heading back in. Usually I'm the one getting smoked on the down hill so that felt really good.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/14 05:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Donnie! Kickass performance!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/14 09:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus that's a great time. Congrats!

Ended up tweaking my back Sunday morning doing weights. I think my form was off vs. recovery from Friday. Going to take it REALLY easy the next several days. Need to recoup in preparation for the OC Chili 10 miler and HB Half. Both less than 3 weeks away.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/14 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Back stuff sucks! I've been dealing with some on and off lower back pain for a year now. Comes and goes, and doesn't bother me when running, but some mornings I wake up and its just brutal. A chiro showed me some stretches I can do, and they do help, but I need to do them more regularly.

Had a good week/weekend of running. Managed 63 miles, including a good 12 miler on the trails at Whiting Ranch (your hood right Kent?)as well as some fast runs. Today I did 11 at race pace on the most difficult part of the Surf City course. One of the long boring out and back sections on the beach path as well as the 6 or so miles that go inland and loop through the park and have the only two hills on the course. Felt pretty good, and it was actually nice running in the sunshine and 78 degree weather.

Gonna hit this week hard and finish up with a 20 miler this weekend...then its major taper time. I want to be ready to kill someone for a run come race day. \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/14 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, that's North of O'Neil but still in my back yard. GREAT area for trail running, and one of the reasons I'm doing the OC Chili series. Hoping to talk to some of the more experienced folks about their preferred routes.

Curious - what back stretches they recommend for you?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/14 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Yep, that's North of O'Neil but still in my back yard. GREAT area for trail running, and one of the reasons I'm doing the OC Chili series. Hoping to talk to some of the more experienced folks about their preferred routes.

Curious - what back stretches they recommend for you?


Basically, its just push-up position, then push up with your arms while leaving your stomach/hips on the ground. I also lay on my back over a fitness ball and that feels really good.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/14 05:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cobra position in yoga?

I do that and upward/downward dog most-run/ride. Good stretches.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/14 06:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have no idea...never done yoga.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/14 06:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cobra:



Lift the hips off of the ground while pushing off of the tops of your feet and looking up and it becomes upward dog.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/14 09:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried adding that yesterday to my usual back stretches. Felt good. Going to take it easy another day or two. Getting old sucks.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/14 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2014 calendar is finalized! I bit the bullet and registered for three races in one shot:
  • Collegiate Peaks (25 miles) - May 3rd
  • North Face DC (50 miles) - June 7th
  • Mt Werner Classic (50K) - July 26th
  • Leadville (100 miles) - August 16-17th
  • JFK (50 miles) - November 22nd

JFK registration opens in April but I'm signed up for everything else now. I'm get really excited about this schedule, which is saying something since I'm stuck in a winter wonderland (60" of snow in the past two weeks) and sometimes it's hard to get stoked when running outside is so difficult. Bonus points for my speed demon girlfriend getting into ultras and running everything but Leadville (where's she'll be crew/pacing) this year


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/14 09:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woke up with a really sore right Achilles after yesterday's run. That's a new one.

Seems minor and I'll assuming it'll heal up in the next day or so, but it's annoying.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/14 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My achilles has been sore for about 18 months now \:\)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/14 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did my last long run of this build for the Surf City Marathon in 2 weeks. 20 miles, averaged a 7:48 pace. Felt pretty good even with it being really warm today. I think all this mileage is catching up to me though, cause I'm fucking exhausted. I'm already at 160 miles for the month. Really looking forward to this taper. Plan on doing lots of mental training and visualizing the race.

**DONOTDELETE**
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01/17/14 05:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Just did my last long run of this build for the Surf City Marathon in 2 weeks. 20 miles, averaged a 7:48 pace. Felt pretty good even with it being really warm today. I think all this mileage is catching up to me though, cause I'm fucking exhausted. I'm already at 160 miles for the month. Really looking forward to this taper. Plan on doing lots of mental training and visualizing the race.

Your running(pace and total distance) is a lot like my running but x5.
Jeesus man.
Good luck


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/14 06:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude you are going to totally kick butt at HB. Enjoy the taper!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/14 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Enjoy the taper!






\:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/14 07:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha..thanks guys. I'm just hoping the BQ gods are smiling down on me on the 2nd. \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/14 01:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Squeezed out a 13.1 mile run tonight in 1:59:28. Next week is the OC Chili race. Then HB Half.

Be nice to run outdoors again!


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
01/18/14 03:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Really looking forward to this taper. Plan on doing lots of mental training and visualizing the race.




Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/18/14 09:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did a 4 mile race today. Ringling Bridge Run, pretty cool, about 1 mile to the bridge, 1 mile over the bridge, then back. My watch time was 29:08, which is damn fine by me! I was hoping for under 32 (8minute pace). So pretty happy with the results.

Here's my Garmin Connect page: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/431709198

On the way back on the bridge there was a really heavy headwind that sucked. And if you look at my pace you'll see I sprinted the end. My watch read the last mile at .99 so it isn't a complete mile but it was pace of 7:03, which is my fastest mile ever heh.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/14 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man! You'll be in the 6's before you know it!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/14 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Haha..thanks guys. I'm just hoping the BQ gods are smiling down on me on the 2nd. \:D


Forget the BQ gods and focus on the "my wife can do, so I better be able to" devil chasing after you

For example, I'll never run a road marathon until I'm certain I can beat my gf's time


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/18/14 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last year I was doing so much longer running training for a marathon and 50k I didn't feel like I got great speed improvement times. Now I'm doing the Hal Higdon Half-Marathon Advanced and doing tempo and repeat runs. Definitely noticing a speed improvement!

Good luck with Boston by the way!

Also good luck to 2000 trying to beat his girlfriend's time for his first marathon. Though I've only done 1 and only 1 50k I'm going to go ahead and say a road marathon is a totally different beast than an ultra. But knowing you you'd knock it out without breaking a sweat. I still consider you guys the real runners and I'm just a young grasshopper. :P


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/14 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Last year I was doing so much longer running training for a marathon and 50k I didn't feel like I got great speed improvement times. Now I'm doing the Hal Higdon Half-Marathon Advanced and doing tempo and repeat runs. Definitely noticing a speed improvement!

Good luck with Boston by the way!

Also good luck to 2000 trying to beat his girlfriend's time for his first marathon. Though I've only done 1 and only 1 50k I'm going to go ahead and say a road marathon is a totally different beast than an ultra. But knowing you you'd knock it out without breaking a sweat. I still consider you guys the real runners and I'm just a young grasshopper. :P


Thanks, but I have no plans to run a road marathon anytime soon. I'm just saying I wouldn't do it regardless unless I thought I had a shot at beating her time.

I'm signed up for five races this year and she's doing four of them while pacing the fifth so we have plenty of chances for competition


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/14 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woohoo!
Enjoy every ache and pain and miserable feeling run during your taper! I know I do!

I had gum graft surgery on friday morning and was told I am not supposed to exercise for 3 days after. \:\(
I was having a great week too.
Oh well, I think a forced couple days off might do me some good. Cant wait to hit it hard again next week!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/14 01:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Woohoo!
Enjoy every ache and pain and miserable feeling run during your taper! I know I do!

I had gum graft surgery on friday morning and was told I am not supposed to exercise for 3 days after. \:\(
I was having a great week too.
Oh well, I think a forced couple days off might do me some good. Cant wait to hit it hard again next week!


I always feel like I'm coming down with some terrible cold during taper weeks. I hate tapering. Boo.

Let's go on a 20 miler the Thursday before Leadville


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/14 08:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another confidence booster. Did 13.1 tonight in 1:31:17. 6:58 average pace and it felt easy. Less than a minute off my half mary PR!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/14 08:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and did you guys see that Sage was second overall and 1st american at the Carlsbad Marathon today? Freaking 2:22!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/20/14 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Another confidence booster. Did 13.1 tonight in 1:31:17. 6:58 average pace and it felt easy. Less than a minute off my half mary PR!


Jebus man. That's flying!! You and ampsman are simply crushing it and it's only January. I feel like I'm playing catch up already.

Good luck at your marathon dude!


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/20/14 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Another confidence booster. Did 13.1 tonight in 1:31:17. 6:58 average pace and it felt easy. Less than a minute off my half mary PR!

I hate you.
New rule, if you're this ^ fast, no more pace comments....


Great job man.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/14 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job Chris. Boston is within your reach!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/14 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Oh, and did you guys see that Sage was second overall and 1st american at the Carlsbad Marathon today? Freaking 2:22!


In the Hokas!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/14 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Great job Chris. Boston is within your reach!


I'll be looking for you in that last 1/2 mile so we can hold hands across the line. \:D


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/23/14 04:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

40+ miles since Nye(I know that's your guys weekly mileage), getting my running legs back
On top of it I've still lifted 2x a week, and climb weekly

Feeling good bitches!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/23/14 05:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job. : headbang:

I've only ran twice so far this week as I do my best to be a good boy and taper like I should. I'm only 15 miles away from 200 miles for January, so I'll at least hit that. Fuck this stress I've put on myself though. \:\(


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A guy in town says "winter miles bring spring smiles" (which I love) so in honor of that - I'm off to do two hours on snowpack in 19* weather. Bring on them smiles haha



Pictured: not me


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran shirtless at 8:00 last night.

Kept it short, but increased intensity a bit: 5@ 6:30 pace.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 04:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I ran shirtless at 8:00 last night.

Kept it short, but increased intensity a bit: 5@ 6:30 pace.


I hate you. Froze my toes off out there. Post holing up past my knees at one point.

2,533' in 56:45 and two hours running overall. Feeling good. Now to soak in some springs and sweat it out in the sauna.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job guys!
Had a great week, got in just under 12k of vert! My biggest week of climbing ever!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Race 1 of the OC Chili Race Series done. Fun route but DAMN, the first two miles were a solid 900 ft incline.

Ended up running 10 miles @ ~94:00 with a late start. Goal is to do a sub-90 min time for at least one of the remaining races.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/14 09:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Good job guys!
Had a great week, got in just under 12k of vert! My biggest week of climbing ever!


Dannnngggg!


I've been a little bummed the last couple weekends because I haven't joined the local running group on the trails on Saturday. My friend down here introduced me to them, and it's a good group of people, and for somebody who has done all of his training solo, it's amazing how the miles pass when you're with other people. I think those runs are going to be a key part of my training in the coming months.

Kent: like I said...great job man! It's been awesome watching you progress.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/14 12:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm thinking of joining a group if schedule allows. I feel like I'm starting to plateau from training solo. And I think I could use some feedback on my technique.

And just realized that ampsman's post makes my whining about 900 ft seem childish. Well done dude.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/14 12:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I'm thinking of joining a group if schedule allows. I feel like I'm starting to plateau from training solo. And I think I could use some feedback on my technique.

And just realized that ampsman's post makes my whining about 900 ft seem childish. Well done dude.


Oooh, I love my running group in the warmer months. Definitely join if you can find one that works! My group is maybe 15 people and we run trails every Wednesday night during the summer. Then afterwards we stand around the parking lot or trailhead drinking beer and bullshitting. It's so much fun.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/14 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I'm thinking of joining a group if schedule allows. I feel like I'm starting to plateau from training solo. And I think I could use some feedback on my technique.

And just realized that ampsman's post makes my whining about 900 ft seem childish. Well done dude.


Let me know if you want to join us any Saturday Kent. Seems like they mostly stick the Oneill, Whiting, El Moro, Aliso areas so it's in your neck of the woods. I can forward you the emails that have the location and route maps.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/14 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I'm thinking of joining a group if schedule allows. I feel like I'm starting to plateau from training solo. And I think I could use some feedback on my technique.

And just realized that ampsman's post makes my whining about 900 ft seem childish. Well done dude.


I do 99% my training solo, I could probably benefit from some group runs but for the most part I find myself getting annoyed when I run with other people.
If you do join a running group make sure that there are better runners than yourself in the group, thats the best way to improve.


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/27/14 03:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running in the snow = awesome, feel like badass despite slow-pace
running in the bitter cold with no snow = not awesome, snotty nose, frozen pecker(the worst part is realizing how cold you are there....)

50 for the year, starting to get it back. That said, I half got my ass handed to me by 8 on Sunday. Wtf. I felt fine afterwards, but by the end I was done.

/working on shaking this case of puss-itus.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/14 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Definitely interested Chris. Checking with the family to see if we can make the schedule work.

On a side note, the Disneyland Half Marathon opened for registration today. Their coveted 10K/Half Marathon combo sold out within 41 minutes. At a whopping $320 a pop. Crazy people!!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/28/14 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man that's expensive for juat a 10k/half!

I'm signed up for Gasparilla next month in Tampa, and I signed up for all 4 races (5k, 8k, 15k and half) for about $225.

I skipped a couple runs this month, partially due to attending a funeral and need to get back on it. My 3 mile run yesterday I felt good but was doing an 8 min pace, felt like I should have been at 7:30 with how hard it felt. Here's to going for 100 miles next month! I will be in the upper 80s this month.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/14 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
On a side note, the Disneyland Half Marathon opened for registration today. Their coveted 10K/Half Marathon combo sold out within 41 minutes. At a whopping $320 a pop. Crazy people!!


I'm happy you mentioned this. That Facebook friend I've mentioned before appears to be absolutely nuts about Disney races (she was the one stopping for photos and to ride rides during her marathon haha) and she just posted this today:

 Quote:
I'm so happy I'm in tears! I've just made the registration cut off for the Dumbo Double Dare in Disneyland! I will be in the most magical place on earth taking on a 10k on my birthday. Not to mention that I will add another 6 checks to my bucket list just by making this trek! I'm beyond elated!

As a side note, stay tuned for a massive yard sale announcement! Hey, I've gotta figure out how to afford it somehow, right?


 Quote:
I'm beyond excited! Making it to California and putting my toes in the Pacific was one of the first items on the list. Then when I started doing runDisney races, earning the Coast to Coast medal became one. The four other checks are just icing on the cake


So, are there like a million mini-challenges for Disney races that people do for medals? Dumbo Double Dare? Coast to Coast Medal?

$320 to run a 10K and a half marathon? That's $16.58 a mile!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/14 03:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is coming from someone who used to work there lol. 10K is neat though. Almost all on property, lots of photo ops, and early entry into the part when you're done. Just CRAZY crowded.

We got our kids registered for the mini-races on Saturday. 20 bucks for a brief run, medal, shirt, and some character photos. Will be extremely crowded but fun.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/14 03:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I'm signed up for Gasparilla next month in Tampa, and I signed up for all 4 races (5k, 8k, 15k and half) for about $225.


That was my logic lol. I could sign up myself and kids for at least two other events when the weather is more reasonable, and still have money left over for brunch.


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/29/14 06:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What do you guys do to work on improving your pace?
I've been a pretty slow runner, averaging a half-marathon pace of 10:15-10:30. This was for my first/only half so far.
I've been doing intervals lately (6:00 pace for 30 seconds followed by 1 min of 10:30 pace x 12), hoping it'll help out my speed during my 2nd upcoming half in March.
Seems crazy to me that some of you guys do 6:00 for your pace on a normal day.


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/29/14 10:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
What do you guys do to work on improving your pace?
I've been a pretty slow runner, averaging a half-marathon pace of 10:15-10:30. This was for my first/only half so far.
I've been doing intervals lately (6:00 pace for 30 seconds followed by 1 min of 10:30 pace x 12), hoping it'll help out my speed during my 2nd upcoming half in March.
Seems crazy to me that some of you guys do 6:00 for your pace on a normal day.


Ok, you need to lengthen those intervals. Your intervals should be long enough that you still have to be aerobic. Based on your 1/2 time, I'm guessing you should be closer to 7-8/min pace.
Do 1/4 mile intervals(so about 1:45 runs)(7 pace)
do 1/2 mile intervals (about 3:45) (7:30 pace)
Do 1 mile intervals(those burn) (about 7:45-8 pace)
Notice as you go slightly slower with the longer distances. the point is to go fast, but a speed you could maintain.


Also add some "pace" runs. These are runs ran at a little faster than your goal. i.e. for you a goal might be 9:30 pace for your half, so run 3-4 miles at 9:20-ish. Then next week at a mile and keep that pace, keep increasing the distance and maintaining that slight faster than race pace.


You're probably a little late for speed and pace to make a huge difference, but it can help.

The basic school of thought I've heard is you have 3 types of "quality" runs: Long(for joints and patience), Pace/tempo(for the burn, i.e. lactic acid, and discomfort tolerance), and intervals (for your cardio systems and muscluar force). You don't want to to too much of the faster two, but once a week is probably fine.

/doesn't do 6/min pace on a normal day


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went from doing one type of run "I'm going for a run haha" to now four types:

1. Long runs
2. Speed work (intervals, tempo, fartleks, etc)
3. Hill work
4. Recovery runs (which I've learned have to be slooow)

I'm no expert so I can't tell you what to do to get faster but I think the best training advice I've heard is that every run should have a defined purpose. Gone are the days of "I'm just gonna go out and run for a bit and then come home" - before you leave the door you should know what benefit you're trying to get from this run.

I thought I wouldn't like this additional structure but it turns out I love it! Anyway, something to think about.


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/29/14 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I went from doing one type of run "I'm going for a run haha" to now four types:

1. Long runs
2. Speed work (intervals, tempo, fartleks, etc)
3. Hill work
4. Recovery runs (which I've learned have to be slooow)

I'm no expert so I can't tell you what to do to get faster but I think the best training advice I've heard is that every run should have a defined purpose. Gone are the days of "I'm just gonna go out and run for a bit and then come home" - before you leave the door you should know what benefit you're trying to get from this run.

I thought I wouldn't like this additional structure but it turns out I love it! Anyway, something to think about.


I agree with that, but...
I think sometimes it's good to take a break from "training" every once in a while and just go out for a run.

But in general it's good advice, just don't forget why you first loved it(i.e. running just to run).


Sir Ironpool
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01/29/14 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You just need to run more...simple as that. There's no real need for specific speed work at this point. What's your weekly mileage and number of runs? If your averaging 10:30 pace for a half I imagine you're doing lots of walking. If you build up mileage to where you can run 9-10 without walking, I guarantee your shorter runs will get way faster without doing any specific speedwork.


I didn't one single speedwork session for the first 3 years that I was running, and I spent all three of those years setting PR's at every distance (never went backwards at all). This was all by running a lot I ran easy when I felt like it, and ran harder when I felt like it.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: swirlyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I went from doing one type of run "I'm going for a run haha" to now four types:

1. Long runs
2. Speed work (intervals, tempo, fartleks, etc)
3. Hill work
4. Recovery runs (which I've learned have to be slooow)

I'm no expert so I can't tell you what to do to get faster but I think the best training advice I've heard is that every run should have a defined purpose. Gone are the days of "I'm just gonna go out and run for a bit and then come home" - before you leave the door you should know what benefit you're trying to get from this run.

I thought I wouldn't like this additional structure but it turns out I love it! Anyway, something to think about.


I agree with that, but...
I think sometimes it's good to take a break from "training" every once in a while and just go out for a run.

But in general it's good advice, just don't forget why you first loved it(i.e. running just to run).


My long runs and recovery runs feel like that, so I'm still getting plenty of running that doesn't feel like training. But yeah, good point, speed work in particular is really hard for me and I feel great afterwards but it sucks during. Tonight I have 3x2 mile hard (half marathon pace - and I tend to use my 'ideal' pace haha) and I'll be doing it on a treadmill. I've been dreading it since last night haha


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the problem is people are afraid to hurt when they are running. They find that they can run comfortably at X:XX pace so thats what they run at and then they wonder why they dont improve doing the same run at the same pace 6 days a week.
Its all about going outside of your comfort zone.
I run 6-7 times a week and atleast 5 of those runs I am nervous about because of how I know I am going to feel during that run.
Its ok for your legs to burn, its ok to get a little dehydrated, its ok to puke a little bit.
When you are done you can sit down and crack a beer and say, you know what...I fucking killed it out there.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuckin A.

What's that saying: if you don't feel like puking at the end of a race, you didn't run hard enough. \:D

My brother coaches a running group of about 40 people. His biggest frustration are the people that refuse to push themselves at all during training, yet complain that they don't see improvements.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You just need to run more...simple as that. There's no real need for specific speed work at this point. What's your weekly mileage and number of runs? If your averaging 10:30 pace for a half I imagine you're doing lots of walking. If you build up mileage to where you can run 9-10 without walking, I guarantee your shorter runs will get way faster without doing any specific speedwork.


I will echo this. I've simply focused on maintaining the longer training runs each week, with a couple 3-4 mile runs in between. Been doing it for a year and have been faster at each race I've attended. I know at some point I will plateau but the approach definitely works.




 Originally Posted By: ampsman
When you are done you can sit down and crack a beer and say, you know what...I fucking killed it out there.




2000SiRacer
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01/29/14 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I think the problem is people are afraid to hurt when they are running. They find that they can run comfortably at X:XX pace so thats what they run at and then they wonder why they dont improve doing the same run at the same pace 6 days a week.
Its all about going outside of your comfort zone.
I run 6-7 times a week and atleast 5 of those runs I am nervous about because of how I know I am going to feel during that run.
Its ok for your legs to burn, its ok to get a little dehydrated, its ok to puke a little bit.
When you are done you can sit down and crack a beer and say, you know what...I fucking killed it out there.


Well said, Donnie!

And I think you've hit at the root of my problems in 2013. The only runs I was nervous about were the 5-6 hour long runs because I ran everything at the same comfortable pace - only lots and lots of time on my feet would make it difficult. This strategy worked for the first couple years but it definitely isn't helping me anymore so for the first time ever I'm really nervous about runs and it's scary but lots of fun. And you feel like a million bucks afterwards for sure! Hard run followed by a quick soak in the springs and a cold beer? Heaven.

Although I feel like a total goober on the gym treadmill doing these workouts. There will be 2-3 of the usual crowd (i.e. women running 12 minute miles while reading Vogue - which is cool, whatever) and I'm in there panting like a pervert and throwing sweat in all directions. It's great


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/29/14 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys, this all sounds like stuff I need to work on.

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
What's your weekly mileage and number of runs?

I'm still in newbie status, I was (and am again) doing 3 days of shorter runs 3-4 miles, and 1 long day (now at 10 miles).
I started up this routine last year in July or so (first time ever running) based loosely on the Hal Higdon program, and worked up to my first half marathon in late October (where I got the 10:30 average). I was having a lot of trouble with IT band pain with my right leg in the weeks leading to the half, so I cut the mileage way back for a couple months until just a few weeks ago where I started working back up.

Even with the time off, my speed does seem better than previous. I managed my first sub-10 min/mile pace for 10 miles this past Saturday (9:50). So this lends a lot of credit to Ironmom's suggestion to just keep working at it. I've been a lot more diligent to foam roll after every run for at least a few minutes since I started back up seriously.

As long as I can keep injuries away I think I'll mix in a little bit of intervals, and just keep at it.


Sir Ironpool
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01/29/14 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds about right, and very similar to my start. I had a major case of ITBS during and after my first half, and then again after my first Ironman. I had to take about six weeks off completely, but I haven't had any issues ever since. Just take it easy, stay consistent in your training, and the speed will come.

One thing that I had great results with were a couple 30 in 30 months. Basically, make a point to run every day for a whole month. Doesnt have to be huge mileage (I set my minimum at 3 miles) but you'll be amazed at how your body will respond.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/14 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you haven't already, maybe work in some mild resistance training. I've started working in deadlifts and back squats. HUGE difference in post-run recovery.

Rumbelstiltskin
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01/29/14 11:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck... I guess I'm doing Ragnar with some friends.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/30/14 05:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rumble
Fuck... I guess I'm doing Ragnar with some friends.


Is that a relay? Those are pretty fun but a pain in the ass to organize, I hope someone else volunteered to manage your team.

Did 3x1200m hill repeats on my lunch today at an average 15% grade. Burn baby!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/01/14 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck me. 15.6 miles and 6100 feet of vert.
Mile 13 alone had 1100 feet.

CHRISSSSS!!! You pumped and ready for tomorrow!!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/01/14 04:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck man...thats a workout!


I'm ready man. Just got back from the expo. 3000 people doing the full, and 22,000 doing the half! It was nuts down there. Thankfully we start an hour earlier, and the groups dont merge till 10 or so, and then we leave them again at 17 or so.


I've been chatting with Eric from URP. He's doing the full tomorrow as well, but hes fast as hell..shooting for 2:55. :wow:



My goal is to go out with the 3:05 pace group hang with them for as long as I can. I think I'll benefit from the drafting when we deal with the headwind on the beach. It'll also give me a bit of a cushion if I need to ease back later in the race.
I WILL be mentally strong in this race though...no fucking around. If it hurts, so what.
Keep your fingers crossed though.


Design
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02/01/14 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fortunately we deal with the headwind the first half of the race. I was there at opening yesterday. In and out in a breeze!

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02/01/14 10:39 PM
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Best of luck Chris. Kill it motherfucker.

It's Art
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02/02/14 07:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was actually warm enough yesterday to go for a run, today too. The only sketchy parts were the ice patches and snow, my new running shoes didn't like that.


nothing crazy, ran 5.2 miles yesterday and I'll run the same loop again today.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/14 03:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm gonna write up a race report later (once the official results are in) but I had a great race! Ended up with a 3:08:35. Ran a real smart and steady race till mile 21, till I turned around and there was a nasty headwind along with the last two decent sized hills. Slowed down a bit for 23 and 24, but kicked my ass into gear for the last 2. So glad to be done!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/14 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Never doubted you for a second. Very well deserved.

Also pulled off a PR at Surf City, 13.1 @ 1:53:02. Next up: OC Chili Race #2 followed by the LA Marathon.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/03/14 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like everybody in here is killing it! Great job guys!

Ironmom your time ia about 1:40 faster than my marathon time. Hard to imagine you could do another half-marathon before I'd finish my marathon, haha.

Keep up the awesome work guys!


It's Art
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 11:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just went for a 3 miler in a blizzard.


sucked though, thought I was gonna fuck my ankle cause it's slippery.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I buy spikes that slide over my shoes for icy days. Like $10 at Costco. Going to get cold this week here, so some shitty runs coming up.

Oddly, slipping and almost wiping out hurts my shoulder more than just about anything else; quick/loose movements I guess.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You guys are serious troopers running outdoor in blizzards.

That and you must REALLY hate treadmills.


It's Art
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
I buy spikes that slide over my shoes for icy days. Like $10 at Costco. Going to get cold this week here, so some shitty runs coming up.

Oddly, slipping and almost wiping out hurts my shoulder more than just about anything else; quick/loose movements I guess.



I have those, I forget what they're called though. I have them for work to slip over my boots. Cramp ons? or something.


anyway I couldn't run in them because I just couldn't.






and troopers? No. Idiots? Probably.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Don't own a treadmill and I find them very boring. Running outside is typically alright, but you do get the odd horrible day (worst this year was -22F). Most of the time it's 15-20F and sunny. Sometimes warmer, sometimes colder.

I just have my routine and I hate making excuses for weather.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you guys are serious about running in snow and ice these are really your only option:



Kahtoola MICROspikes. They're $60 a pair and work miracles. $10 shit from CostCo will be just that and YakTrax are garbage.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have no issues with my costco slip on spikes. Plus, there is still plenty of dry pavement on my run and something too aggressive wouldn't work well.

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02/03/14 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Don't own a treadmill and I find them very boring. Running outside is typically alright, but you do get the odd horrible day (worst this year was -22F). Most of the time it's 15-20F and sunny. Sometimes warmer, sometimes colder.

I just have my routine and I hate making excuses for weather.

I'll take 15-20 over 33 and rainy. Getting soaked and cold sucks.

But, I never have to worry about anything with a -

It's sort of fun when it's unique. Still impressed you guys do it week after week.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: swirlyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Don't own a treadmill and I find them very boring. Running outside is typically alright, but you do get the odd horrible day (worst this year was -22F). Most of the time it's 15-20F and sunny. Sometimes warmer, sometimes colder.

I just have my routine and I hate making excuses for weather.

I'll take 15-20 over 33 and rainy. Getting soaked and cold sucks.

But, I never have to worry about anything with a -

It's sort of fun when it's unique. Still impressed you guys do it week after week.


What's the forecast looking like this weekend? I bought a nice Marmot running wind/rain jacket that I still haven't used. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 02:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Sounds like everybody in here is killing it! Great job guys!

Ironmom your time ia about 1:40 faster than my marathon time. Hard to imagine you could do another half-marathon before I'd finish my marathon, haha.

Keep up the awesome work guys!


Thanks man. Trust me....if you'd told me 3 years ago that Id be able to run a marathon at that pace Id have said no freaking way. Just proves that lack of natural ability and age are no excuse. If you put in the time and effort, you can do way more than you think you can.

The last 5 of this race was pure mental determination though.


It's Art
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you'd take 15-20? How about -6?

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02/03/14 03:30 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Artomantium
you'd take 15-20? How about -6?

I'd go snowboarding!

Yeah, I actually can't imagine how to stay warm, but not too warm at that temp.
I bet I'd either overdress and sweat myself to a popsicle or just plain freeze.


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02/03/14 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: swirlyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Don't own a treadmill and I find them very boring. Running outside is typically alright, but you do get the odd horrible day (worst this year was -22F). Most of the time it's 15-20F and sunny. Sometimes warmer, sometimes colder.

I just have my routine and I hate making excuses for weather.

I'll take 15-20 over 33 and rainy. Getting soaked and cold sucks.

But, I never have to worry about anything with a -

It's sort of fun when it's unique. Still impressed you guys do it week after week.


What's the forecast looking like this weekend? I bought a nice Marmot running wind/rain jacket that I still haven't used. \:D


You can never trust the weather man(it started snowing 2 hours ago, which was supposed to be in the foothills only). But...
Chance of snow on Saturday.
Rainy and cool on sunday. But I could see this forecast changing. Between now and there we're suppose to get cool but clear weather(teens at night, 30s at midday), then the moisture comes. Who knows basically.


You'll probably want that coat, especially given the more relaxed pace. Road or trail? I know more interesting trails, but I've not been running much trail and they'll be sloppy this time of year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/03/14 03:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be up for anything man...you choose. I need to find out from Chef what the schedule is, and I'll let you know.

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02/03/14 04:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'll be up for anything man...you choose. I need to find out from Chef what the schedule is, and I'll let you know.

Yeah, check your schedule, and find out where you guys are staying. I actually want to catch the bike show as well.

Could wrap up the run with a nice bacon-maple donut(don't know if you're still eating clean or not, I never am), or even a beer.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/14 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had a blast crewing for my friend Matt Urbanski and taking photos at the Rocky Raccoon 100 last weekend down in Texas and it's been super cool seeing my photos popping up around town!

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4018eef54693b49f3a5d89099&id=cb8cd0dfe2&e=9de4b3fe0d
http://sharmanian.blogspot.ca
http://www.irunfar.com/2014/02/2014-rocky-raccoon-100-results.html

And my set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eschn3am/sets/72157640445474135/



















Stay tuned - I think I'm going to be doing a lot more of this in 2014.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 09:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After a few weeks in the 30-40 degree range, a few cold days of -5...



Shoes become like clogs at this temp.


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02/05/14 09:52 AM
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It was snowing on my run yesterday, brrr 31.... ;\)


mid 20s and blustery today, maybe I'lll do the treadmill afterall..


slackereg6
(Member)
02/05/14 10:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2000Siracer will you be going to any of the other Tajas trails events? I might hit up one of the shorter distances at hells hills or box of rox.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Two hats, two thin shirts, two thermal shirts, neckwarmer, tighty undies, thin long underwear, boxers and thin thermal pants.

The only thing that gets cold is my lips/nose and the tip of the dick. I need to find some sort of thermal boxers. I could easily use a balaclava, but I don't like breathing through fabric and I find I get too hot in them. Sweat drips and I come home with icycles.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Two hats, two thin shirts, two thermal shirts, neckwarmer, tighty undies, thin long underwear, boxers and thin thermal pants.

The only thing that gets cold is my lips/nose and the tip of the dick. I need to find some sort of thermal boxers. I could easily use a balaclava, but I don't like breathing through fabric and I find I get too hot in them. Sweat drips and I come home with icycles.



Jebus - I wear way less than you to run around in the snow here. Maybe you're not working hard enough ;\)

Slacker - I'm afraid not. I was only in Texas for Rocky Raccoon to crew for a friend. I'll mostly be attending Colorado races this year and a couple in the DC area.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was -5 with wind. You can run in snow at 30 degrees. Snow doesn't affect the air temp.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Felt great to get back on the trails today. Legs are still a little sore, but not bad for only taking two days off from the marathon effort.

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02/05/14 04:41 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Felt great to get back on the trails today. Legs are still a little sore, but not bad for only taking two days off from the marathon effort.

You felt slow though right? RIGHT?

p.s. we running this weekend or not?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 05:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus Chris, only two days off? Yeah I ran three days after my 21 miler, but that was TRAINING pace.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep. Chef wants to pig out on pancakes...want to go before then?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Jebus Chris, only two days off? Yeah I ran three days after my 21 miler, but that was TRAINING pace.


Haha, maybe I didn't run the race as hard as I could have. \:D

I've actually been giving some thought to finding a flatter/faster course to try and lower that time between April and August.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 06:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

OC maybe?

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02/05/14 07:09 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yep. Chef wants to pig out on pancakes...want to go before then?

Pancakes, huh? Portland is known for donuts, waffles, but I've never heard much about pancakes. When and where? There's some great breakfast places in this city.

Forecast has gone down hill
 Quote:
Tonight Partly cloudy, with a low around 19. Breezy, with an east wind around 25 mph, with gusts as high as 41 mph.
Thursday Snow, mainly after 2pm. High near 28. Breezy, with an east wind 17 to 22 mph, with gusts as high as 34 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of around an inch possible.
Thursday Night Snow, mainly before 5am. Low around 17. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.
Friday A 30 percent chance of snow before 11am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 30. East northeast wind 8 to 13 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Little or no snow accumulation expected.
Friday Night A 50 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 25. East northeast wind around 17 mph, with gusts as high as 28 mph. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.
Saturday Snow. High near 31. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches


You figure out where you'll be?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Were at the Holiday Inn by the airport. Not sure if that's close to you of where you want to run, but if you come pick me up Im down for whatever...weather be damned. \:D


I did just see that this little race is going on Sunday morning. I'm tempted!
http://valentinerunportland.com/index.php?cID=1


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/14 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
OC maybe?


Nah, I've heard that's even hillier! I did just put my name on the wait list for Mountains to Beach in Ojai/Ventura on May 25th. It's good timing, small field and a fast course (800ft net loss.)

I'm not going to worry about it as I have plenty to focus on in the next two months, but if I get a slot for that one I think I could go sub 3:05.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 02:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome 4.5 mile run this morning with Dirty on some awesome snow covered singletrack just outside Portland. Chef was shooting photos too, which turned out pretty cool. Snow was coming down pretty hard the whole time with a good 6 inches of powder on the ground. Pretty amazing.





DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 03:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You guys are definitely more badass than me. I'm running inside if its under 50º lol.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Is that a Jornet-esque heel kick I see there, Chris?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 08:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You got it. \:D I didn't have any white shorts though.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 08:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You got it. \:D I didn't have any white shorts though.


Shorts??

*warning?*

Warning, Spoiler:


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/14 10:31 PM
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lofl!

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02/10/14 09:38 AM
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What has been seen can not be unseen

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/14 11:43 AM
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Saw some of the FB photos of you guys meeting up. Looked like fun! Not clicking the warning box.

Forgot to mention that last week's performance was a real confidence booster for training. Squeezed out a 13.1 miler on Friday in 1:53:42. Sub-1:50 here I come!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/14 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sweeet! Nice job Kent. I can tell your in that same zone I was about 2 years ago where my times were dropping by leaps and bounds. Hard work pay off buddy!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/14 10:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Chris.

By the way, you may have noticed that OC has a new medal this year. Run a half/full after Surf City, get the "Double Down" medal. Might sign up depending how I feel after LA.

<<-- Wondering if this noob can handle two marathons 8 weeks apart. Recipe for disaster?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/14 11:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As long as the first doesn't beat you up too much and requires weeks of recovery, I think you could def handle it. I would suggest picking one as your A race to push hard, and the other as a long training run. Or hell...just race both. \:D


This is my new favorite piece of gear. Been using it on all my runs, both trail and road. Fits perfectly in the small of my back and it doesn't move.

Simple Bottle:




Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/14 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That thing is cool. Where did you pick it up?

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/14 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got one of those last year, the lid on mine cracked. \:\(

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/14 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
That thing is cool. Where did you pick it up?


http://www.simplehydration.com

Lay off the Johnso grip strengthening device Donnie!


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/12/14 03:54 AM
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Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/14 09:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Loll.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 04:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

@ Rumble.

Nailed my last long run tonight. 23 miles @ 3:57:17. And so the taper begins...




Oh and yes, all on the treadmill...


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
@ Rumble.

Nailed my last long run tonight. 23 miles @ 3:57:17. And so the taper begins...




Oh and yes, all on the treadmill...


How?! Why?!

Maybe I missed it…but if OC = SoCal why on earth are you logging 4 hour treadmill runs?!

It's like you're taunting those of us who have no choice.

"look outside…it's 72 and sunny! and i'm still running on a treadmill!"


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 10:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I train almost exclusively at night with very few "safe" routes for runners in our area. And still a bit nervous about getting stranded without resources.

I will say it is nice to plug away at Netflix while letting the treadmill dictate my pace. It has been really helping during the last half when I tend to slow down. And the impact has been forgiving to the knees. \:\)

This is probably my last run indoors at this length. Going to look at Beach routes come mid March.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 10:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"Unsafe" as in you might get assaulted/shot?

That sucks. \:\(


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 12:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

More like harassed by wierdos The park in my area is HUGE but not patrolled at night. If I can shift my longer runs to Sat mornings I'll go there. Otherwise Huntington Beach has a nice 9 mile stretch with facilities every mile.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
More like harassed by wierdos The park in my area is HUGE but not patrolled at night. If I can shift my longer runs to Sat mornings I'll go there. Otherwise Huntington Beach has a nice 9 mile stretch with facilities every mile.


I go into the mountains at night, id rather take my chances with mountain lions then crazy bums.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did I mention the Cleveland National Forest is right across the street? If I get mauled I'm blaming you... \:D

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02/14/14 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman

I go into the mountains at night, id rather take my chances with mountain lions then crazy bums.

The NW, where this isn't an either or decision...


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/14/14 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bums are getting brave in my area. Asking for money in a demanding tone. Plus I'm running, all I have is a watch on me. Crazy. I think It's time to start carrying one of my knives, lol.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 07:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn Kent...that's impressive. Way longer than any training run I did while training for my races. You'll kill LA.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/14/14 09:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
More like harassed by wierdos The park in my area is HUGE but not patrolled at night. If I can shift my longer runs to Sat mornings I'll go there. Otherwise Huntington Beach has a nice 9 mile stretch with facilities every mile.


Next time you want to do some speed work just clip a $100 bill to a string, tie it around your waist and gggoooooooo


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/14 04:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whew...tough today! Bagged my first peak: Santiago which is the tallest hill in Orange County at 5800 feet. 15 miles round trip, 4400 feet of gain.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/14 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dang, Chris! That's a climb! I thought SoCal was all flat and hot and sandy and boardwalk-y. That's a real hill

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/14 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah....pretty much straight up and straight down.

I need to move about 30 miles over and hit Mt Baldy at just over 10k though. :scary:


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/15/14 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kinda hate this thread being the slowest guy here. But I'm really happy not averaging 10:00 or slower anymore. WOOT.

Only ran 8 times so far for 2014. Really hard to stay motivated.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/14 10:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah....pretty much straight up and straight down.

I need to move about 30 miles over and hit Mt Baldy at just over 10k though. :scary:


Might as well get a sense for what 10,000' feels like…then add 2,600'


ElementBabe
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/14 03:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is there a good watch/other device i could get for soccer? i'm curious how many miles i run during a game, where i go on the field, max speed, heart rate, etc

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/14 04:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I imagine a GPS watch would do. But to track your type of movements I think you'd have to ping the satellite pretty often.

Rumble - maybe toss a few races into the schedule for motivation? That and sharing progress has kept me motivated for nearly two years.

Chris - seriously considering treating LA as a training run, just to take it all in. Maybe do OC for time.


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/16/14 05:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Rumble - maybe toss a few races into the schedule for motivation? That and sharing progress has kept me motivated for nearly two years.
I'm doing at least a race every month this year. 5K first 2 months, January/Febuary then going up every other month. 10K for March/April, you get the point.
Hopefully that works.


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
02/16/14 05:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: antness
is there a good watch/other device i could get for soccer? i'm curious how many miles i run during a game, where i go on the field, max speed, heart rate, etc
Garmin watch?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/14 10:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: antness
is there a good watch/other device i could get for soccer? i'm curious how many miles i run during a game, where i go on the field, max speed, heart rate, etc


Would you use it for anything else? Spending a couple hundred bucks to get this:



is a questionable investment, IMO


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/14 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've always wanted to wear GPS playing hockey, though I never figured it would be very accurate.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
02/16/14 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
@ Rumble.

Nailed my last long run tonight. 23 miles @ 3:57:17. And so the taper begins...




Oh and yes, all on the treadmill...


Nice!! At least I know I'm not the only crazy one I did just over 18 last week on the treadmill.

I just finished up a long week of training, with next week even heavier... then 2 light weeks leading up to the 50k


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/14 11:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The snow has made running too sketchy around here for the past couple of weeks.

I've been jumping a lot of rope and have been killing the mag trainer. Thaw/rain mid-end of the week will change dat doe (I hope)


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02/17/14 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well my foot is feeling good again(stupid plantar fascia), and the snow melted...

And now it's 44 degrees and pouring rain and windy for the next week.

So I'll be getting on the treadmill, super.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 10:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not to be a dick…but I'm judging every single one of you whiny fuckers

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02/17/14 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Not to be a dick…but I'm judging every single one of you whiny fuckers


Dude, I've proven the snow doesn't stop me. I've done 2 1/2s in varying degrees of snow, and there's photos of me and chris frolicking.

But Snow > rain when it comes to being outdoors.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: The Norwegians
There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.


A couple years ago I had a streak of running at least 30 minutes a day, every day, for 400 consecutive days. Those 400 days included Virginia summer, Wisconsin winter, day-after-running-50 miles-stiffness and the "wake up hungover at 5:00am in a foreign country and have to sneak that run in" type runs.

In short, I don't think I'm tougher than anyone else but I get a chuckle out of "it's too _____, better rock the treadmill for 3 hours" crowd

That said, I'm currently running on a treadmill Mon-Fri so I don't really have room to talk


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02/17/14 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: The Norwegians
There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

Yeah, they always say that on our ski-fields too, but pissing down rain make the snow suck even if you're dry. Sometimes, being outdoors just sucks.
 Quote:

That said, I'm currently running on a treadmill Mon-Fri so I don't really have room to talk

You SOB


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The air is so thin at 5500ft!!! \:D



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love it! Where will you guys be running on 3/1? Looking to do a longer "taper" run prior to LA.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 02:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Why are there 4 poles up there?? At first I thought they were tools from doing trail maintenance but a closer look says they're permanent. Tying up horses? Locking up bikes? Leaning on to catch your breath in that thin air?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 03:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Love it! Where will you guys be running on 3/1? Looking to do a longer "taper" run prior to LA.


I'm not sure yet. Since I'm not an official member yet, I don't get the email...my buddy just forwards it a few days before. I'll be sure to pass it along when I get it that week though.

 Quote:
Why are there 4 poles up there?? At first I thought they were tools from doing trail maintenance but a closer look says they're permanent. Tying up horses? Locking up bikes? Leaning on to catch your breath in that thin air?

Lol. They're actually sighting tubes. You look through them and they're aimed at versions points of interest: downtown LA, Catalina Island, Mt Baldy, etc. They have little plaques that tell you what you're looking at. I think it was an Eagle Scout project.

The summit itself isn't all that pretty...it's packed full of cell towers/antennas...but the trail up is spectacular.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Aaah, so a less efficient and more wasteful version of this. Thanks, Eagle Scouts!




Looks like an awesome climb though! Who's your running group?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's a local group that trains for a few road marathons in the spring and summer, then transitions to Saturday trail runs over the fall and winter. The guy on the far right is my friend (our kids are in the same classes) and I talked him into signing up for Way Too Cool...so when he invited me to come out with him for one of the Saturday runs, I felt like I should. \:D
Turns out, it's a lot of fun running with other people, and the miles fly by. In the pic we were just one group that went to the top. Probably about 20 people all together out there yesterday.

Kind of neat: the chick on the right is a former German tennis semi-pro who finished Boston last year within 30 seconds of my wife. The guy on the left is in a somewhat famous punk band. Pretty cool the people you meet.



That climb is great , the only drawback is the 3 miles of rough jeep trail you have to drive to get to the trailhead. You could run it I suppose, but you'd be sucking dust the whole way from the trucks and dirtbikes.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 03:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sounds like an awesome group! I'm jealous that your group run season starts this early…I'm at least 3 months away still from my Wednesday night group getting back together \:\(

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 04:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Design
Love it! Where will you guys be running on 3/1? Looking to do a longer "taper" run prior to LA.


I'm not sure yet. Since I'm not an official member yet, I don't get the email...my buddy just forwards it a few days before. I'll be sure to pass it along when I get it that week though.


No worries man. Not sure if this is the same group you were mentioning earlier that you were encouraging me to join. (Don't want to intrude!) Been looking to get involved with a group to keep this going.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 06:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep...same group Kent. No intrusion at all...they're very welcoming.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats awesome that you found a group to run with!
After running by myself for so long its pretty amazing how easy training runs are when you have a partner. I've been running once a week with this guy John Burton. Hes a beast so its been great chatting him up and trying to gain some knowledge. Last year he ran quad in 4:41 for 5th place and states in 20:37, this year hes like 3 or 4 on the hardrock waiting list so he is counting on getting in and is going balls out getting ready for it.

I had a pretty good last 3 days training, on Saturday I did 20 with 3700 feet vert, Sunday I only did 8 but with over 2000 feet and today I did 10 with about 1800 feet. I was wondering how I was going to feel on the hills today but I killed it and ended up running the 10 miles in 1:18.
I also picked up some recovery supplements today, I have been taking nothing as far as recovery other than trying to ingest as many calories as possible...so we'll see if it helps.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/14 07:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a great chunk of running! I had some sore glutes after Saturdays run so I took yesterday off, but the wife and I are heading out to do 10 right now.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/14 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot, great 12 hours of running:

Last night did 10 on the road at 7:38 pace.
This morning did 12 on the trail with 2100ft of vert at a 9:06 pace.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/19/14 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So fast. Much run.

I have a 30 minute tempo run tomorrow to do, then off on Friday and doing my 4 races this weekend. Excited about it. My goal is just to finish all of them, not worried about time. On Sunday I did a half-marathon training run to see how I'd do. It was 1:55 moving time, which is impressive for me since my PR is 1:50.

I got a 5k on March 1st I'm signed up for, so I'll PR there no problem (considering my 5k PR is 1.5 years old, lol). I also want to sign up for a half-marathon on March 16th. Not sure if I can PR on 1:50 or not, but it might be worth a try, we'll see. After that I have absolutely nothing on the radar. I really don't know what I want to do, just keep running randomly for now, find something to sign up for, or what. So we'll see what I end up doing.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/14 06:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Woot, great 12 hours of running:

Last night did 10 on the road at 7:38 pace.
This morning did 12 on the trail with 2100ft of vert at a 9:06 pace.


Nice!! VERT, VERT, VERT!!
I might be doing a fat ass 50k on sunday...you know you've made it in the local running community when you get invited to a fat ass race.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 03:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow some pretty good mileage guys! I got a bit lazy and skipped the run tonight. Will make it up tomorrow. 10 mile trail "race" this weekend

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Woot, great 12 hours of running:

Last night did 10 on the road at 7:38 pace.
This morning did 12 on the trail with 2100ft of vert at a 9:06 pace.


Nice!! VERT, VERT, VERT!!
I might be doing a fat ass 50k on sunday...you know you've made it in the local running community when you get invited to a fat ass race.


Aaaah! Nice works all around!

I was at my "local" running shop (lol Breckenridge, also the country's highest at 9,600') on Tuesday and they told me about a "running festival" in nearby Frisco in June. It's for the summer solstice and it sounds awesome - free camping and yoga and music and a 54 mile run. No registration fees. I asked if the race was a fatass event and they said they'll have four aid stations so even better

http://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=27195

I'm racing two weeks before this so no 54 miler but I may check it out and run the first 18 or something

And speaking of vert, a week from this Sunday my workout is basically "all the vert you can do in three hours" \:o \:\(

AND last thing(s) - bought a pair of Pearl Izumi N2s so Chris and I are twinsies. Also bought some Salty Caramel Gu but haven't tried it yet. Looking forward to tasting greatness!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Woot, great 12 hours of running:

Last night did 10 on the road at 7:38 pace.
This morning did 12 on the trail with 2100ft of vert at a 9:06 pace.


Nice!! VERT, VERT, VERT!!
I might be doing a fat ass 50k on sunday...you know you've made it in the local running community when you get invited to a fat ass race.


Aaaah! Nice works all around!

I was at my "local" running shop (lol Breckenridge, also the country's highest at 9,600') on Tuesday and they told me about a "running festival" in nearby Frisco in June. It's for the summer solstice and it sounds awesome - free camping and yoga and music and a 54 mile run. No registration fees. I asked if the race was a fatass event and they said they'll have four aid stations so even better

http://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=27195

I'm racing two weeks before this so no 54 miler but I may check it out and run the first 18 or something

And speaking of vert, a week from this Sunday my workout is basically "all the vert you can do in three hours" \:o \:\(

AND last thing(s) - bought a pair of Pearl Izumi N2s so Chris and I are twinsies. Also bought some Salty Caramel Gu but haven't tried it yet. Looking forward to tasting greatness!


Have you tried V fuel? Im using the peach cobbler, so money.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 12:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nope, is that the one in the funny packets with the lid?

I use Hammer the most but I just tried Power Gel recently and I really like the more liquid consistency and salt content.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 01:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Consistency is so much thinner than gu, much easier to get down for me.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 01:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Clif for me. Has worked REALLY well during training.



**DONOTDELETE**
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02/20/14 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just gagged a little.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman


Consistency is so much thinner than gu, much easier to get down for me.


Sweet! I'll give those a shot. I stopped using Gu in favor of a Hammer over a year ago but Salted Caramel sounds amazing!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: swirlyS13drifta
I just gagged a little.


This. Even if I can get past the disgusting texture, they just sit in my stomach like a lead weight. I much prefer solid food or liquid calories.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/20/14 09:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Have been trying to get back on the horse after a really horrid work and travel schedule from August through December made consistent training difficult. We bought a treadmill (what dat bonus from all dem hours working do) and been getting up early to run a few times per week. Now that the temps have been over freezing for a few days and the risk of me breaking a hip on an icy spot is reduced, I should be able to get some outdoor runs in. (After I spend this weekend in New Orleans eating and drinking myself silly for my birthday).

Picked up some new running shoes - Adidas something or other that feel pretty good so far. I have liked but not totally loved my Newtons.

Am comfortably hanging out around 8:40 per mile for three to five miles. Looking to improve that and drop about twenty pounds as well.

Will do a five miler on St. Patty's day and wife has talked me into the Disney marathon next January. Thinking about the Aspen Valley Half in July.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/14 01:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Have been trying to get back on the horse after a really horrid work and travel schedule from August through December made consistent training difficult. We bought a treadmill (what dat bonus from all dem hours working do) and been getting up early to run a few times per week. Now that the temps have been over freezing for a few days and the risk of me breaking a hip on an icy spot is reduced, I should be able to get some outdoor runs in. (After I spend this weekend in New Orleans eating and drinking myself silly for my birthday).

Picked up some new running shoes - Adidas something or other that feel pretty good so far. I have liked but not totally loved my Newtons.

Am comfortably hanging out around 8:40 per mile for three to five miles. Looking to improve that and drop about twenty pounds as well.

Will do a five miler on St. Patty's day and wife has talked me into the Disney marathon next January. Thinking about the Aspen Valley Half in July.


You're off to a good start man - congrats! The more you stick with it the easier it is to stick with it haha eventually it becomes difficult to not get that run in. #addiction


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/14 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

OK, I'm getting a little stir crazy with all this snow and ice so I'm mapping out some summertime runs. This is going to be good! This past summer, my first in Steamboat, I ran on a bunch of different trails, mostly Fish Creek, Spring Creek and Emerald. The only time I ran on Mt Werner, the local ski mountain, was for a 50K race in July. I'm looking for more vert for my hill work this summer though and here's what I've found:


Here's my current go-to run: 1,545' in 2.80 miles or 552'/mile for 10.4% average grade. I will sometimes do hill repeats near the top where it's steepest but this gets old so I'm looking for more sustained climbing and descending.


Here's the most direct up the mountain according to the Run Rabbit Run 100 course map: 3,646' in 4.80 miles or 760'/mile for 14.4% average grade. Not bad for almost 5 miles of running!

And if I ever want to get really stupid I can run repeats from the base to the gondola instead of going all the way up


That's 2,102' from the base to the top of the gondola in 1.77 miles - 1,300'/mile or an average grade of 24.6%

The best part of this 2,100' ass kicker? It starts at the base of the gondola and ends at the top. That means public restrooms, drinking fountains, food, etc at either end of the course. And my favorite part: it doesn't cost anything to ride the gondola down the mountain because everyone is buying a ticket to ride it up so if I wanted to focus purely on climbing I could do 2,100' laps and ride the gondola down to the base all day long.

Here are some pictures from Run Rabbit Run of this section of the course:




with plenty of vert left to do



In short: please get here quickly summer. There's so much to do!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/21/14 01:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was looking at possibly doing Run Rabbit Run this year or next. Man that's some vert! One thing I don't get here in FL is vert, lol. Plus it is expensive to get to CO, sign up for race, hotel, etc. Don't know if I can even afford it.

I need to do some more research but I am debating on trying to do a race this year that will qualify me for Western States next year.

So my Gasparilla races are this weekend. 15k/5k on Saturday and Half-Marathon/8k on Sunday. Almost a 50k in total distance. Should be a fun time!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/14 02:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I would not want to train for this



with these






I hear Florida summers are perfect Badwater training though


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/22/14 06:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol. There is 1 bridge in the area that has some elevation. And 1 man made hill that is .1 miles long, haha. So it would be more like running those and the stairmaster at the gym.

I'm doing some research into Javelina Jundred actually. Doesn't seem to have a lot of elevation. Probably kinda hot, so training in FL is good. It is multiple loops with an average 30 hour cutoff. The question is do I want to run all year long again? Last year training for the 50k I noticed my body disliked runs over 15 miles, meaning I'd hurt from those runs. And the runs every single weekend that are 4 hours long get rough. Not as if I have a life anyway.

I also need to get my nutrition while running figured out. I've been using peanut butter GU's almost exclusively. I only have 2 left, so once I use them up I'm going to try some of the other ones posted in this thread. But I seem to get a semi-upset stomach after having them. And if I have too much liquid I can feel my stomach full of liquid, so doubt going too heavy there would help. Back on my 50k I tried pb&j sandwiches and that didn't go well. Couldn't eat for a couple hours after that. Someone on the trail gave me cifbar shots, whatever exactly they're called. I liked them so going to give them a try as well.

Anyone have any experience with the Javelina Jundred? Know anyone that ran it, etc? I found a bunch of race reports online I want to read then. Registration is on March 1, so it better not sell out since I don't get paid until the 5th, haha.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/14 09:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like a pretty awesome route. But that incline?

Ran OC Chili Race #2 today. Really fun route despite the 800 ft incline the first 2 miles. Took this one really easy and snapped a bunch of photos. I'll post a few here later.

Anyone in So Cal planning to do the Renegade series in Peter's Canyon this summer?


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/23/14 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been following you guys advice to just plain run more to improve my pace in the past month, and it does seem to be helping. I can easy-pace 9:30 with no problem now for 10+ miles. 3-4 months ago sub-10 min seemed impossible for more than 30 seconds.
I think my downfall before was trying to make every run "important", which meant I'd push too hard, get hurt, and have to take time off which would cause a backslide. Now I just run to run, which is also a lot more enjoyable. \:\)
I figure it'll be at least 4-5 months before just building miles stops being effective.

I've got a half-marathon next week I'm looking forward to, my 2nd ever (lol n00b status). The posts here are pretty awesome to see how far it's possible to go with training!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/23/14 12:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I'm doing some research into Javelina Jundred actually. Doesn't seem to have a lot of elevation. Probably kinda hot, so training in FL is good. It is multiple loops with an average 30 hour cutoff. The question is do I want to run all year long again? Last year training for the 50k I noticed my body disliked runs over 15 miles, meaning I'd hurt from those runs. And the runs every single weekend that are 4 hours long get rough. Not as if I have a life anyway.


Are you sure you want to sign up for a 100 miler later this same year? I *totally* understand the drive to go out and sign up for big things, but you've run one 50K and are having some pain with runs over 15 miles? It seems like signing up for a 100 mile race in 8 months would be a very painful and expensive proposition. Here's a 50K/50 Miler in NC in October

http://usnwc.org/wc-50-2/

You could make a road trip out of it, work your way up in mileage and then look at longer stuff for 2015 (in which case you could continue your training going into the October race through the winter and be in great shape next year).

Again, not trying to dissuade you but something to ask yourself for sure. There will always be other races and others years to run them - no need to risk injury by trying to do too much too soon.


Cheesegoggles
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02/23/14 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Have been trying to get back on the horse after a really horrid work and travel schedule from August through December made consistent training difficult. We bought a treadmill (what dat bonus from all dem hours working do) and been getting up early to run a few times per week. Now that the temps have been over freezing for a few days and the risk of me breaking a hip on an icy spot is reduced, I should be able to get some outdoor runs in. (After I spend this weekend in New Orleans eating and drinking myself silly for my birthday).

Picked up some new running shoes - Adidas something or other that feel pretty good so far. I have liked but not totally loved my Newtons.

Am comfortably hanging out around 8:40 per mile for three to five miles. Looking to improve that and drop about twenty pounds as well.

Will do a five miler on St. Patty's day and wife has talked me into the Disney marathon next January. Thinking about the Aspen Valley Half in July.


You're off to a good start man - congrats! The more you stick with it the easier it is to stick with it haha eventually it becomes difficult to not get that run in. #addiction

Once I get in a rhythm I mostly enjoy it. But I will say I'm not crazy about training for a full marathon again. It takes something that I find fun in smaller doses and turns it into work. Half marathon is a great distance and fun to train for. I can't really say the same about three plus hour training runs.

The other thing is that running consecutive days doesn't always agree with my knees. I found a three day per week training plan that should work for the last few months leading up to the marathon. I just need to be fitter going into that training than I was for my first marathon.


Ampsman in Extremis
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02/23/14 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
Have been trying to get back on the horse after a really horrid work and travel schedule from August through December made consistent training difficult. We bought a treadmill (what dat bonus from all dem hours working do) and been getting up early to run a few times per week. Now that the temps have been over freezing for a few days and the risk of me breaking a hip on an icy spot is reduced, I should be able to get some outdoor runs in. (After I spend this weekend in New Orleans eating and drinking myself silly for my birthday).

Picked up some new running shoes - Adidas something or other that feel pretty good so far. I have liked but not totally loved my Newtons.

Am comfortably hanging out around 8:40 per mile for three to five miles. Looking to improve that and drop about twenty pounds as well.

Will do a five miler on St. Patty's day and wife has talked me into the Disney marathon next January. Thinking about the Aspen Valley Half in July.


You're off to a good start man - congrats! The more you stick with it the easier it is to stick with it haha eventually it becomes difficult to not get that run in. #addiction

Once I get in a rhythm I mostly enjoy it. But I will say I'm not crazy about training for a full marathon again. It takes something that I find fun in smaller doses and turns it into work. Half marathon is a great distance and fun to train for. I can't really say the same about three plus hour training runs.

The other thing is that running consecutive days doesn't always agree with my knees. I found a three day per week training plan that should work for the last few months leading up to the marathon. I just need to be fitter going into that training than I was for my first marathon.


Thats a big key to success that I think alot of people overlook, having a solid base before starting your training plan.

I ended up having a solid week, did 18 yesterday with 4500 feet of vert and 12 today with 3000 feet. I even nailed some PRs on some gnarly climbs on todays run. Ended the week with 60 miles and 11.5k of vert.


Sir Ironpool
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02/23/14 05:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hot damn...that makes me feel like a slacker with my little 54 mile week and 5k feet of vert. \:D

I'm actually pretty happy with my week though. I had two 12 milers on the trails and some solid 10 mile road runs...even with it being a crazy week in our house and a camp out with the scouts. I did scope out some awesome peaks in the San Gabriel's that I'll be hitting very soon though.

Way Too Cool is 2 weeks!!!


2000SiRacer
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02/23/14 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hot damn! I just got back from 3,600' in three hours and I was patting myself on the back. Now I feel like a slacker \:\(

Then again, if I give myself the "spikes in heavy snow" adjustment I'll say I did 65,000' today


Design
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02/24/14 01:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Few Chili Race Photos from Saturday:







Ampsman in Extremis
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02/24/14 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm telling you man, after running with that guy John and talking about his training I have been focusing on quality over quantity and its been huge.
On my 12 miler yesterday there is this section thats 1.5 miles with just under 1000 feet of vert, my previous best was 18:32 and I did it in 16:52, and this was the day after a tough 18 miler. I am already at 58,000 feet of vert for the year vs 187,000 for all of last year.
Alot of these elite guys arent putting in crazy miles by pro running standards but they are racking up 20K+ of vert.


2000SiRacer
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02/24/14 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I'm telling you man, after running with that guy John and talking about his training I have been focusing on quality over quantity and its been huge.
On my 12 miler yesterday there is this section thats 1.5 miles with just under 1000 feet of vert, my previous best was 18:32 and I did it in 16:52, and this was the day after a tough 18 miler. I am already at 58,000 feet of vert for the year vs 187,000 for all of last year.
Alot of these elite guys arent putting in crazy miles by pro running standards but they are racking up 20K+ of vert.


That's awesome news, man! 58,000' of climb in, what, seven weeks? That's all kinds of badass

Just make sure you don't ignore the flat stuff while you're doing all this climbing. I made that mistake in 2012. I went into the summer thinking "oh man, Leadville and Hope Pass! It's so climby and mountainous! I better do lots of vert" and then all summer long I just climbed steep things and did almost no flat running at all (like count the flat runs on my fingers sort of thing). Then I showed up and found that there's some big climbs but a good 70% of the course is flat and runnable! I was passing folks left and right on Hope Pass but was working too hard on the flat sections where easy time is made.

I think that variety is what makes the course so tough - Hard Rock is an absolute bitch but you know how to train for it - as much vert and hiking as you can do. Even Western States is more consistent - lots of climbing and even more descending. Leadville is technical single track and freaking roads and it's flat and fast and it's 40:00/miles at 12,000. It's 25* and snowing and also 80* and sunny. In the same 24 hour period.

But at the end of the day, if you're doing that much vert in a week I would politely request a piggy back ride up the back of Hope please


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/24/14 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I'm doing some research into Javelina Jundred actually. Doesn't seem to have a lot of elevation. Probably kinda hot, so training in FL is good. It is multiple loops with an average 30 hour cutoff. The question is do I want to run all year long again? Last year training for the 50k I noticed my body disliked runs over 15 miles, meaning I'd hurt from those runs. And the runs every single weekend that are 4 hours long get rough. Not as if I have a life anyway.


Are you sure you want to sign up for a 100 miler later this same year? I *totally* understand the drive to go out and sign up for big things, but you've run one 50K and are having some pain with runs over 15 miles? It seems like signing up for a 100 mile race in 8 months would be a very painful and expensive proposition. Here's a 50K/50 Miler in NC in October

http://usnwc.org/wc-50-2/

You could make a road trip out of it, work your way up in mileage and then look at longer stuff for 2015 (in which case you could continue your training going into the October race through the winter and be in great shape next year).

Again, not trying to dissuade you but something to ask yourself for sure. There will always be other races and others years to run them - no need to risk injury by trying to do too much too soon.


I havent't decided. Just seems like it is something I can actually train in FL for. Considering many (more like almost all) ultras involve lots and lots (and lots) of vert that I can't do well here. This one doesn't have that. Plus, if I end up not finishing, that's fine. But, if I'm able to do at least 4 loops and hit 100k then I'll get a 100k buckle. So it has that going for it. I'm not real itnrested in 50milers, though I could do one someday. My real goal is a 100miler, whether I do that now or a decade from now.

Just trying to plan the year out, I got a week to figure it out. \:\)

Also, those 15+ mile runs are all on the road and it was just soreness from my calves and such. Kind of anything you'd expect with back to back runs. I'm talking the kind of 12+ Saturday and 10+ Sunday type weekends, I wasn't doing any 15+ mile runs without running the next day. I was doing the 50 miles per week to train for a 50k from the Relentless Forward Progress book.

This past weekend I did Gasparilla, 30.4 total miles between 2 days (15k/5k Sat 13.1/8k Sun) and actually did better than expected. I ran the half around an 8:35 pace and the other 3 races around an 8:10 pace. Today my calves are sore, my quads are a little sore, and that's about it. Going to take a couple days off running, of course, but I don't feel like death. Considering I haven't done longer than a half marathon distance run for 3 months, to do all those races as hard as I did and feel as good as I do now it makes me think maybe I can step up the distance. \:\)

I know some guys here have used running coaches. Do you think if I want to go for the 100 miler I'd benefit from getting one? I'd rather have a local one than some online person do it. But do you tihnk having someone coaching me would be worth it, as compared to just taking the running plan out of the RFP book and doing it?


2000SiRacer
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02/24/14 03:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Your plan confuses the hell out of me dude

I would say if you're serious about this then a coach would be invaluable.


Sir Ironpool
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02/24/14 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great pics Kent...and congrats on a second successful race!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/24/14 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Your plan confuses the hell out of me dude

I would say if you're serious about this then a coach would be invaluable.


Glad I could make your head hurt. ;\) I'll figure out wtf I'm doing someday.


Sir Ironpool
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02/26/14 07:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

32 miles in the last 3 days...and technically I should be tapering.

2000SiRacer
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02/27/14 10:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
32 miles in the last 3 days...and technically I should be tapering.


I saw this article about Taper Crazies from some lady named Ann Transon or something like that…thought of you

http://www.ultrarunning.com/featured/ask-ann-taper-crazies/

Good luck, Chris

By the way, does anyone here take Udo's Oil on a regular basis? I'm tempting to give it a try again. I tried it a couple years ago but was only taking 1 tbsp a day when 2-3 is recommended. I feel weird about taking 300+ calories of oil a day but figure it's worth a test run if it can help me recover faster (which is becoming an issue for the first time ever).


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/01/14 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A couple of quick race reports for my past 2 weekends.

Last weekend I did the Gasparilla Ultra Challenge in Tampa. Saturday was a 15k followed up by a 5k. Sunday was a Half-Marathon followed up by an 8k. 30.4 total miles, all on roads of course. Supposedly there was about 30,000 people signed up between all 4 races.

I was training for this the past 3 months doing Hal Higdon's Half-Marathon Advanced Training. Granted, this training is just for a half, and not the (almost) 50k in total I was doing.

I had no real plan for the races. It was simply to finish them. I wasn't sure how my body was going to handle these races (last year training for the 50k I had plenty of back-to-back Saturday/Sunday runs so I knew I wouldn't die) considering at a race you always run harder than you want.

So, basically, I ended up running harder than I planned, lol. During the 15k I told myself I was running too hard, and just kept going anyway, saying screw it I'm going to do it. I did the 15k in 1:17:08. I was mad happy with that, I've never done a 15k before, so instant PR! I had roughly an hour wait until the 5k. The hour passed by quick grabbing a banana and hanging out. I then ran the 5k in 25:43. I could have done it sub-25 but I got stuck further back than I would have liked, I bet I passed 300 people in the 5k, literally running on the median/in grass/etc, lol.

Went home and came back on Sunday (up at 330am Sat, 4am Sun). I did the HM in 1:54:09, and my PR is 1:50:04, so I was pretty surprised I was able to keep this pace up. It wasn't overly easy, I started with my left quad being really sore, and both my calves being semi-sore (I wore compression sleeves all day Saturday and overnight). During the run everything warmed up and smoothed out and it went great. I am going to sign up for another HM here on March 16th and hoping to beat my PR! Also, during the HM I heard Eye Of The Tiger 4 times on the course, haha.

The 8k was about 45 minutes after the HM finished. I did that one in 41:08. I was running hard here to be done with the races, I slowed down a little near the end, my left hip was getting sore at this point. I was literally wondering how I was still running this fast on my 4th race in one weekend while running this, lol.

I ended up doing about an 8:10 pace for the 5k, 8k and 15k. And an 8:35 pace for the HM. Pretty happy with that, as honestly if I would have done a 9:30 pace for all 4 I'd be happy.

In the end I got 4 shirts (1 for each race) 1 jacket (for doing the Michelob Ultra Challenge), 5 medals (1 each race and again 1 for doing all the races) and lived to run another day.


Full medals with necklace/scarf part. (5k, 8k, 15k, Half, Ultra Challenge)


Just medals.


(I rotated the pictures on imgur but ClubSi will absolutely not take those links, so sideways it is)

Here's my Garmin Connect links:
15k: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/449297925
5k: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/449297996
HM: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/450067990
8k: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/450068017


Now, onto today. I ran a 5k today with the goal to beat my PR. (Technically speaking the 5k at Gasparilla was my new PR) This was going to be an easy goal because my PR was 27:43 set back on June 30, 2012. This was basically a very outdated PR because I haven't ran a 5k in forever. My goal was to beat it by 5 minutes and come in at 22:43 or under.

The race weather was perfect, and I ran hard, literally the fastest running I've ever done. My first mile per my Garmin was 6:35, however it was off by a few seconds because my Auto Pause feature was on and it paused right away for a few seconds, so I just say 6:40. I followed that up with a 6:41. And during this mile my fucking car keyfob fell out of my pocket! I had to stop, run back ~10 feet and get it and get going again. So that slowed me down a few seconds, ugh. I then did mile 3 in 7:01 and finished the race in 21:09! I was shocked and amazed I was able to go that fast. If I didn't have to get my keys and would have seen the time I might have broken 21 minutes.

I ended up getting 2nd in my age group (there was only 5 of us), and it was my first time placing in an age group! So that's awesome. I was 9th out of 368 people. The person who won only beat me by 1:20. I've never been so close to the front, so it was awesome. Very proud of myself on this one.

Garmin Connect link: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/453186136


After my Half coming up in 2 weeks I have no plans. I have almost talked myself into doing Javelina Jundred. I listened to the URP with Ann Trason and apparently she's going to be there, as well as one of the guys hosting, not sure which. I find that super neat and sure makes me want to do it. Registration opened today for $210, ugh. Decisions decisions.


Design
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03/03/14 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Very well done. You're flying!

Forgot to mention I had my last training run last Friday before the LA Marathon. 8 miles @ 70:12. Big day this Sunday.


2000SiRacer
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03/03/14 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
After my Half coming up in 2 weeks I have no plans. I have almost talked myself into doing Javelina Jundred. I listened to the URP with Ann Trason and apparently she's going to be there, as well as one of the guys hosting, not sure which. I find that super neat and sure makes me want to do it. Registration opened today for $210, ugh. Decisions decisions.


I've switched camps to the "sign up and do it!" team - worst case scenario is you have fun and learn a ton from the experience. It'd be cool to follow your training and progress between now and October too.

I had a brutal workout yesterday. All the vert you can do in 3 hours…but in shit conditions. Sloppy, melting snow that sticks to your microspikes. I ran up to the quarry (+850') and then did 7x laps of the Lane of Pain

0.52 miles - 449' of vert - 16.4% average grade (some less, some 25% ish) all at 7,750-8,200'
7 laps = 7.28 miles and 3,143' of gain and 3,143' of loss. Overall = 4,003' of climb and descent.

I think the hardest part was that the packed down path was maybe 15" wide. One step to either side of that and you post-holed halfway up your shin.

I'm good and sore today. Going up to the hot springs after work for a soak and maybe a dip in the icy cold snowmelt stream.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/14 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sounds really cool, and also really shitty, haha.

I ran yesterday for 7.5miles in 62 minutes. Which is great for the day after a hard 5k. However, it was hot, mid 70s, and made me realize why I don't want to do Javelina, haha. My plans are in constant flux, but right now I'm swinging towards trying to buy a road bike this year to expand into that area. Give it a year or two before going for a 100miler like Javelina. I still think that's the one I want to do, but give myself a couple years to get used to running in this heat. Sure, it got hot in PA, but man the sun is so much stronger in FL, and I'd imagine in AZ as well. So I might be looking up some duathlon/triathlon stuff if I manage to save up enough money for a bike.

As per usual you guys are all kicking ass. I'm sure you're going to rock the marathon right good Design. It's just another run. \:\)


On another semi-related topic I bought this Ice Podz neck wrap after my 5k on Saturday. I ended up running with it on Sunday for just over an hour in mid 70s temperature and it definitely helped me to stay cooler. http://www.icepodz.com/ They're locally made here in Sarasota, FL and just a cool idea. You can obviously use it post run to cooldown, or when it is hot out run with it on. When I first put it on it bounced around, so I put it inside my shirt, which was semi-awkward at first, but it helped it to stay in place better. And, once I was running and sweating it just got everything to settle in place and I barely noticed it after a couple miles. Maybe before running just run the sleeve in cold water would help give it some weight to then stay still, not sure, only ran with it once. Anyway, it is a cool item and local so wanted to throw it out there.


2000SiRacer
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03/03/14 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Me: you're crazy, don't sign up for a 100 miler this year
You: whatever, I totes want to do it

Me: I changed my mind, totally sign up for Javalina!
You: I'm gonna buy a road bike instead

Me: \:\| x1000

You're just being contrarian on purpose now


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/14 03:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Absolutely. I've only been running for 2 years, but I've always been decisive with my races. I'm in a weird funk where I want to do one but don't. I dunno, just trying to figure it out. Have you guys gone through that? For me it mostly comes down to do I want to spend that much time running. I don't know exactly how the training for a 100miler would look like, but not sure my balbi is ready.

As I said before those long back-to-back runs used to get rough for me. So I think taking this year to get used to running in the heat of FL, maybe get a road bike and do some riding and do some shorter races sounds good. My plan last year was doing the 50k, then doing shorter stuff this year, then go for another ultra next year. Which looks like it might be my plan now too lol. I kind of want to just go for a marathon this year and get a PR there, considering I've only done 1 and it was 4:45, I'm sure I can train up and do better. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/03/14 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job on the vert man! Was that a Sharman dictated run?

I felt beat to shit this weekend, did 10 on saturday and felt decent running it right around 7min/mile pace.
I thought I would go out and do a nice easy longish run with vert on sunday for my last long run before my 50k on the 15th.
I ended up doing 15 with about 3800 feet and felt like shit the last 5 miles, everything hurt.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/14 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I'm sure you're going to rock the marathon right good Design. It's just another run. \:\)


Thanks man. Trying to tell myself that but still nervous of the unknown. Just trying to survive this one.

I've wondered about using a neck wrap for runs in July/Aug. Glad to know it worked out for you. Oh, and speaking of the hotter months, ended up registering for my first Tri this July in Solana Beach. Will be banging down Chris' door real soon.


2000SiRacer
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03/03/14 04:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Absolutely. I've only been running for 2 years, but I've always been decisive with my races. I'm in a weird funk where I want to do one but don't. I dunno, just trying to figure it out. Have you guys gone through that? For me it mostly comes down to do I want to spend that much time running. I don't know exactly how the training for a 100miler would look like, but not sure my balbi is ready.

As I said before those long back-to-back runs used to get rough for me. So I think taking this year to get used to running in the heat of FL, maybe get a road bike and do some riding and do some shorter races sounds good. My plan last year was doing the 50k, then doing shorter stuff this year, then go for another ultra next year. Which looks like it might be my plan now too lol. I kind of want to just go for a marathon this year and get a PR there, considering I've only done 1 and it was 4:45, I'm sure I can train up and do better. \:\)


IMO, if you're wondering whether you really want to run the mileage necessary for 100 mile training it's probably best to hold off and wait until you're totally invested. Your plan of rocking the road bike and setting a marathon PR sounds like a great one

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Good job on the vert man! Was that a Sharman dictated run?

I felt beat to shit this weekend, did 10 on saturday and felt decent running it right around 7min/mile pace.
I thought I would go out and do a nice easy longish run with vert on sunday for my last long run before my 50k on the 15th.
I ended up doing 15 with about 3800 feet and felt like shit the last 5 miles, everything hurt.


Yep, 100% of my runs for two months now have been Sharman dictated. Started easy with 3.5 hours my first week in January and this last week was 8:11 and 7,632'. And that included one day completely off and two days of 45 min flat recovery jogs. Getting really excited about how things are progressing.

That's a solid back to back workout! Feeling totally worked with everything hurting will make the first few days of taper madness go a little more smoothly at least


Sir Ironpool
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03/03/14 04:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work gents!
I ended up with 55 for the week. Couple good days on the trail with 5k feet of vert. Also a couple fairly quick road runs that have me feeling pretty confident about W2C on Saturday. The weather may not be cooperative with my goal of a 15 minute PR (they've had lots of rain which means muddy trails) but I'm not worried about it. Just really looking forward to enjoying those trails again and having some fun.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/14 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:
IMO, if you're wondering whether you really want to run the mileage necessary for 100 mile training it's probably best to hold off and wait until you're totally invested. Your plan of rocking the road bike and setting a marathon PR sounds like a great one


Pretty much my thoughts.

Design signing up for tri's huh? That's the route I want to go. After all my first real motivation for doing all this shit is Mrs. Ironmom, he's the one to blame. I'll get to an Ironman myself oneday.


Right after saying not feeling up to a 100miler, I am debating on this 50k Woodside 50k in CA. It is on December 28th of this year, which is my 30th birthday. Just thought doing a race on that day would be pretty awesome. And, unsurprisingly, there aren't too many races that day, lol.


2000SiRacer
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03/03/14 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wait…W2C is this Saturday but ampsman is running a 50K on the 15th? Did you guys break up or something? I figured you'd be running the same event!

And 5K of vert is huge, Chris! Are you doing repeats to boost that number or do you have trails with that kind up and down naturally?


Sir Ironpool
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03/03/14 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Wait…W2C is this Saturday but ampsman is running a 50K on the 15th? Did you guys break up or something? I figured you'd be running the same event!

And 5K of vert is huge, Chris! Are you doing repeats to boost that number or do you have trails with that kind up and down naturally?


lol...were just "taking a break' but we're getting back together next month for AR50. Bitch better not show up pregnant!

That 5k feet was over the two runs in the trails. The place I run is called El Moro Canyon and is a part of Crystal Cove state park down in Orange County...about 20 minutes from my house. Trails basically go from the beach (sea level) up to a ridge at about 1100 feet. The 10-12 mile routes I do have lots of up and down to them...nothing longer than a mile, but they tend to be steep and there are quite a few. A little over 2k feet of gain on those runs.


That has and will continue to be my bread and butter runs all this summer leading up to Leadville. I can do 3 days a week there no problem, then try to get out on something longer/bigger one day a week too. Mt Baldy is less than an hour from here, and the summit is at 10k feet, so that will be some good training. I've been following Dominic Grossman on Strava....so I'll just poach his runs. \:D



Heres El Moro:


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/03/14 09:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Beginner check-in:
I completed the Phoenix Half-Marathon this weekend. Managed to knock 20 minutes off my last official half time and finished in 2:03. I'm pretty happy with it, felt a lot better after completing this one than the last. Earned my first post-run puke too.

I should have started out faster, but I was stuck starting mid-pack from all the congestion at the starting line. I kept upping my pace as I went, I must've passed 2000+ people through the whole thing: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/453369521

Still lots of room for improvement, I'm super happy to have been able to cut a decent chunk of time off, and still feel good to get right back into working on my training plan.


Sir Ironpool
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03/03/14 11:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....that's a solid negative split!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/14 03:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It'll only get better. Congrats!!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/04/14 07:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's an awesome race man. Like Chris said negative split like a beast. Last mile being 8:14 compared to starting at 10min pace is awesome. You'll be under 2 hours next half no problem. Keep it up!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/14 09:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man! Your pace chart steadily getting faster as the race progresses is

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/14 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That feel when you hop in a hot shower after a run with great anticipation ...













And you shriek like a little girl when the water hits you and your nipples are all chafed because you haven't been running much lately.



I had that feeling today \:\(


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/14 02:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

woa nice job. that HR looked like it fuckin hurt the whole way \:o congrats!

whatever exists past mile 5.... I have no idea hahahaha. Great job!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/14 03:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
woa nice job. that HR looked like it fuckin hurt the whole way \:o congrats!

whatever exists past mile 5.... I have no idea hahahaha. Great job!

My heart rate is all kinds of fucked up. 220 minus my age says my max should be 180. I can hang out at 180 for a good while. That is probably around threshold for me. I have hit 205 in a bike sprint.

My HR was higher than I would like for the pace I was maintaining. My fitness should come back though.

Were you impressed by my vert?


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/08/14 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well my first 50k is finally over....I think I'll stick to triathons and cyclocross.. I give you guys alot of credit I don't know how you guys do it. My knees are super sore. I'll update with my garmin later on



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Mike!


I had a pretty good day on the trails. A little slower than what I would have liked (about 10 slower than last year) but considering the conditions of the trails, I'm happy with it. There were at least 20 stream crossings that there was no way around getting your feet wet, and at least one of those was enough to get my balls wet, and sooo much mud! It was a ton of fun the first half, but by the end it just took too much energy to navigate that shit. Started cramping pretty badly in my hamstrings, calves and worst of all in my inner thighs. Still ran everything but the steepest hills, so I'm proud of myself for gutting it out.

148/1000 finishers.

Here's the Strava file:
http://www.strava.com/activities/118922371

and a great shot Eric from Ultrarunner Podcast got of me:


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/09/14 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man both of you guys killed it with those 50k's! Sub 5 hour for 4k+ vert is sweet. Make me look like a damn snail. ;\)

Seriously though way to go both of you guys!

I got out and ran today in mid 70s and did a 2hr run, man it was hot. Can't wait, 1 week away from a half-marathon and hoping to PR it. Woot!


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom


and a great shot Eric from Ultrarunner Podcast got of me:


I haven't been on the forum much lately, but I just saw your run pop up on garmin connect, then headed here to see your report. Awesome job man, congrats on another 50k done!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys...despite the suffering, it really was a lot of fun. Those trails are just plain epic.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 08:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woohoo!! Awesome job man!!
That guy in front of you in that pic is this guy Chris that I know.
The guy is freaking nuts. Last weekend he did a half marathon on saturday morning, then drove over to a 50k/100k/100mile/125 mile race that was run on a 2 mile loop and ran 100k there, he then stayed and volunteered at went straight from there and did an 8k race on sunday morning..
Oh and that guy John that I've been running with finished 14th, heres his blog. Guy is a beast. http://runningjohn.blogspot.com/


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 09:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's funny...he's in some of the pics with me from last years race too. I was near him at the start as well and dude knew everybody around us.

Lol, found the pic from last year:


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/14 11:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's awesome Chris. Same to you too Mike. Congrats!!

Today was a real scorcher for my first marathon. 85° by mile 14.

Fortunately all the training paid off. Stayed hydrated and cramp-free the entire race. Final time was 4:38:25.

If recovery goes well I will do the OC Marathon in May. Really enjoyed LA despite the crowds and heat.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/14 01:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Kent....I was feeling for you when I finally woke up at 11 this morning and felt how hot is was. Congrats on a job well done!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/14 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A pair of 50Ks and a first marathon this weekend?! You guys are crushing it and making me feel like a slacker! Keep up the awesome work

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/14 08:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Talk about a technical trail race!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHKCsSs1ToQ

32 year old record fell…and it's a 42:55 5K


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/11/14 05:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally broke 100 for the year \:\(

I think I need to get a watch, it's hard to know how to push myself with no time.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/14 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

43.1 miles YTD \:o
lookout lol


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/14 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Seems my 3 days off post race have become standard. 7.5 miles and 1500ft this morning. Felt real good. Just a few days over 3 weeks till I'm headed into new territory.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/14 01:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and 448 miles YTD for me. That's actually kind of low. Likely because of more racing=more taper/recovery.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/14 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Seems my 3 days off post race have become standard. 7.5 miles and 1500ft this morning. Felt real good. Just a few days over 3 weeks till I'm headed into new territory.


What kind of taper do you do pre-race? I know three weeks appears to be the industry standard but that seems so looong /whining

And I'm at ???? mileage for the year because I don't keep track


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/14 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

About a week I guess. I'll ease back a little 2 weeks before, then run only one or two easy days race week.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my 3rd easy taper run of the week this morning, my legs feel fresh and I had no aches and pains.

Somethings not right.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Beast mode: engage!!!!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Go get 'em tiger


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm pretty pumped, weathers supposed to be perfect and the course goes over all the best trails in the marin headlands...including 7100 feet of vert.
It will be a beautiful day to suffer!!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Mt. Tam? That place is a nice mtbike ride! [descending is a HOOT]

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 02:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not up mt tam for my distance, the 50 miler hits it though.
Starts at fort baker, goes along coastal to rodeo beach, then to tennessee valley and to muir beach and back to tennessee and up marnincello and back down coastal to fort baker.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ah rodeo beach is where norcal skims sometimes right /creepy

mtbiking mt. tam is like the outer limits for my endurance. probably a bit past it. so awesome the descent/scenery tho!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 03:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
ah rodeo beach is where norcal skims sometimes right /creepy


Does he still remember how to skim since he stopped drinking?


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

like riding a bike, imo. I stopped at like 15 and noticed I can still do it, heh.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/14 03:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im jealous of that course. I still have dreams about the Dipsea. (wet, not scary dreams)

Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
03/14/14 06:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Shit my Hamstrings hurt like a motherfucker. Nothing bad just painfully sore. Did sprints Tuesday night and hills Wednesday morning. Is this normal? haha

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/14 09:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rumble
Shit my Hamstrings hurt like a motherfucker. Nothing bad just painfully sore. Did sprints Tuesday night and hills Wednesday morning. Is this normal? haha


Well thats back to back solid workouts so I wouldnt sweat it.
Get out for a nice easy shake out run.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/14 04:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I had probably one of the best runs of my life today.
32 miles and 6200 or so feet elevation in 4:40.
I went out at what felt relatively easy and felt like I was in cruise control most of the race. I decided to do a vfuel gel every 30 minutes and stuck to that and felt great, no stomach issues at all and never had any really low points.
I passed 2 guys in the last 2 miles to take 3rd overall and 2nd in my age group. I even threw down a 6:30 for the last mile. Oh and the patagonia strider pros are the best shorts ever! Had 8 gels in those muthas with no issues at all!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/14 05:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy crap, Donnie! That's smoking! Congratulations on an absolutely phenomenal run

Do you find VFuel truly easier to digest?

I've been trying to order some all this week (coincidentally enough) but they're "coming soon". I emailed the guys and they said they're expecting a shipment soon, but so far no dice.

https://vfuel.com/shop-category/7/vfuel-gels.html

And what's the best flavor? I've got my eye on that peach cobbler!

Congrats again man - you must be drowning in confidence going into this season after that!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/15/14 07:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow man you're effing fast yo! That's awesome. Almost nothing better in life than when a race comes together perfectly. You rock man!

On my own personal note I have a half-marathon tomorrow I am hoping to PR in so I guess we'll know in 12 hours from now if I'm done or not will mean if I PR'ed or not. =]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/14 08:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very fast. Congrats!

Good look Livid.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/16/14 09:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I'm back and alive from the half. Pretty happy, while also really annoyed with my time.

Previous half PR was 1:50:04 on April 6th of 2013.
New PR is 1:40:01 as of today. Obviously a 10 minute PR in under a year is awesome. But, man, if only my official time was 2 seconds faster! I have a personal goal to do a sub-100 minute half, just because. Ugh, lol.

I was actually going for a 1:45 today and just ran what I could and am surprised I was able to run as fast as I did.

Here's my Garmin Connect for the race:
First Watch Half-Marathon


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/14 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Well I had probably one of the best runs of my life today.
32 miles and 6200 or so feet elevation in 4:40.
I went out at what felt relatively easy and felt like I was in cruise control most of the race. I decided to do a vfuel gel every 30 minutes and stuck to that and felt great, no stomach issues at all and never had any really low points.
I passed 2 guys in the last 2 miles to take 3rd overall and 2nd in my age group. I even threw down a 6:30 for the last mile. Oh and the patagonia strider pros are the best shorts ever! Had 8 gels in those muthas with no issues at all!


Goddamn Donnie...nice job! 15 minutes faster than me and with 1500 or so more feet of gain! You're gonna be showered and changed at AR before I finish!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/14 10:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
So I'm back and alive from the half. Pretty happy, while also really annoyed with my time.

Previous half PR was 1:50:04 on April 6th of 2013.
New PR is 1:40:01 as of today. Obviously a 10 minute PR in under a year is awesome. But, man, if only my official time was 2 seconds faster! I have a personal goal to do a sub-100 minute half, just because. Ugh, lol.

I was actually going for a 1:45 today and just ran what I could and am surprised I was able to run as fast as I did.

Here's my Garmin Connect for the race:
First Watch Half-Marathon


Those splits are great man, way to finish strong!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/14 01:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats man. AWESOME time!!

Signed up for my 2nd marathon which is only 7 weeks away. Wanted to continue the "long" training runs just a little longer to see if I can break 4:30:00.

Ran 4 miles Friday and felt good. So back to the 'ol grind this week.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/17/14 10:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

15km for st paddy's day yesterday, despite 1000s of obstacles (other "runners") managed a 1:16:30.

I would have liked to crack 8/pace, but I'll blame some of that on traffic jam nature.

It was a fun run, but I do like smaller races. Still I had 9 miles and a beer(free) by 10 am yesterday. Not shabby.

Kind of motivated to train again, so that's good.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/14 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Well I had probably one of the best runs of my life today.
32 miles and 6200 or so feet elevation in 4:40.
I went out at what felt relatively easy and felt like I was in cruise control most of the race. I decided to do a vfuel gel every 30 minutes and stuck to that and felt great, no stomach issues at all and never had any really low points.
I passed 2 guys in the last 2 miles to take 3rd overall and 2nd in my age group. I even threw down a 6:30 for the last mile. Oh and the patagonia strider pros are the best shorts ever! Had 8 gels in those muthas with no issues at all!


Goddamn Donnie...nice job! 15 minutes faster than me and with 1500 or so more feet of gain! You're gonna be showered and changed at AR before I finish!


This race definitely gave me a confidence boost, especially with how strong I felt late in the race.
I'm still going into AR without any crazy expectations though because I know how ugly things can get late in a 50 miler.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/14 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pure sex.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/14 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Unf.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/14 06:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty solid week so far:
10-trails
9-roads
10-trails
9-roads
12-trails

50-total. The wife flew out of town this morning, so no runs this weekend other than the 5k my sons school is putting on. Hoping for 19-ish minutes in that.

Developed a weird feeling in my left knee after last nights run. No real pain, but kind of a swollen and tight feeling (without any outwardly obvious swelling). Feels real tight when bent fully (like when squating) so I have no idea where thats coming from. Didnt effect todays run, so thats good.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/14 06:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Are you doing any resistance training? Different for everyone, but I've found squats and deadlifts are REALLY helping with my recovery. Maybe you just hit an angle on the trail wrong?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/14 07:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know I need to, but I still have never worked in any strength or core training. The knee thing started after last nights run on the road too...and nothing memorable about that other than the shit explosion I posted about. I guess I could have tweaked it a bit stopping the hundred or so times in the last mile to keep from pooing all over the sidewalk.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
03/21/14 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chris, 50mi in a week is no joke. It's been a bit rough getting back into the swing of training, after the 50k I had an easy recovery week with only 30min of workouts everyother day.

This is my week so far, my coach said it's kinda light then it's back onto full ironman training from here on out.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/14 08:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Mike! Looks like you're gonna be busy the next few months. \:D


If I could run this weekend I'd likely get up to 70 miles, as I'm trying to get just a little extra training in before my first 50 miler in 2 weeks. It may be a blessing in disguise though as I probably need the rest.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/14 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Managed a 4th overall at today's 5k. Not too competitive at the front, but I'll take it. Course was a bit short , my GPS measured 2.9 miles, and 17:54...so 6:10 pace. A bit off my 5k PR, but not bad for no real speedwork in a long while.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/14 02:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus that's fast. Nice work, Chris!

I've got my work cut out for me between now and December


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/24/14 08:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I only ran twice the past week since my half-marathon. I have no races scheduled right now and so am totally undecided on what to do. I did an hour long run yesterday in the evening, after deciding I was being way too lazy, lol. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/466715776

It was pretty neat though because I ran over a bridge roughly at sunset so it looked really nice. Kept up a good pace and now got sore legs today, go me!


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/24/14 09:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What kind of shorts are you guys using/happy with?
I started out with a few generic pairs of gym/exercise shorts Amazon had a year ago, and while they're not basketball shorts length or anything they're kinda long/baggy compared to most normal running shorts I've seen. At that time I was just starting so I was more worried about modesty/beginnerism. Now I have no concern with people seeing my pasty white legs, only comfort:
I blindly tried a pair of Pearl Izumi shorts that were on sale, and they were total crap (the liner has horrible seams in the worst placement).
What're some of the pairs you guys would recommend?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-strider-pro-shorts-5-inch?p=24631-0

Patagonia Strider Pro shorts - they're the bees knees! Or, for $15 less, the 'regular' Strider shorts are perfectly fine. More pockets for gel storage in the Pro shorts but maybe that's not important to you. These and Salomon tights are all I run now after trying a host of other shorts.

http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-strider-shorts-5-inch?p=24642-0 <-- 'Regular' Strider

Whatever you decide, make sure you go for the 5" inseam. Like in business where you "dress for the job you want" I find it best in running to "dress for the times I want"


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/24/14 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

does a 2" inseam mean faster times?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

measure your pubes first

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have two pairs of the Patagonias shown above and I can't imagine running in anything else.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

These two jabronis speak the truth.
My last race I carried 8 gels and my VW flip key in them and you couldnt even tell, no sagging or moving around or anything.
See sexy picture that I posted previously.*







*disclaimer: You will not look as sexy in them as I do>


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 05:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Only problem for me is that when standing around, my little penis tends to push forward a bit in an obvious fashion.

Well, maybe it's not really a problem.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/14 06:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm glad it's not just me

Not an issue with the old Strider shorts but these new ones are downright PG-13+


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/25/14 09:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dislike my non-pro striders. They're not bad, but they sort of bunch.

I'll probably get some pro's next month as the weather continues to warm up. (though I'm not above short in the cold).


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/25/14 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wear Saucony Running Shorts. I believe that is the right pair. They're longer and have a longer liner in them, like boxer briefs. I like them so when I run my thighs don't rub together to get agitated, or needing bodyglide or something. Also, there is only a single backpocket, but it is big enough for me to fit my Note 3 in it. Plus it is off to the side, I dislike pockets that are directly in the center on the back of shorts.

I'd recommend them to anyone that is looking into longer shorts.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 03:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I'm glad it's not just me

Not an issue with the old Strider shorts but these new ones are downright PG-13+


I've told more than one girl, hey! my eyes are up here!


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/25/14 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

SO I finally got myself a GPS watch. Chris sent me a link to a cheapy and I couldn't pass it up.

I have to say, this shit is pretty slick. I used to use stopwatch on normal watch and marked trail distances(and some google help). This whole GPS thing is is a marked improvement. Now I know exactly how slow I am! \:\)
\:\|
\:\(


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 03:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I'm glad it's not just me

Not an issue with the old Strider shorts but these new ones are downright PG-13+


I've told more than one girl, hey! my eyes are up here!


The three of us are going to have the best starting line photo of all time

The first time I wore my (size small eek) pro shorts was at the gym and I'd say 80% of the people I passed looked down at my crotch


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 04:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
I'm glad it's not just me

Not an issue with the old Strider shorts but these new ones are downright PG-13+


I've told more than one girl, hey! my eyes are up here!


The three of us are going to have the best starting line photo of all time

The first time I wore my (size small eek) pro shorts was at the gym and I'd say 80% of the people I passed looked down at my crotch


Small? I'm not a big guy and the mediums are a bit tight on me.
I can only imagine.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 04:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The mediums felt fine but my summer racing weight is about 5-8 pounds lighter than current so I, rather ambitiously, went for the smalls. I feel outright ridiculous in them

And won't be too much longer before you don't have to imagine anymore


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 09:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Are the three of us gonna have to write our names on the waistband of our shorts like in 5th grade camp when we get to Leadville? Mediums here though.



Bryce: I told ya! Now get on Strava!


**DONOTDELETE**
()
03/25/14 09:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No upload with cheapy watch. So it be all manual.

I'll order some strider pros soon too. Maybe I'll get a small too since I out weigh you fucks by 20 lbs this oughtta be good


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 10:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Are the three of us gonna have to write our names on the waistband of our shorts like in 5th grade camp when we get to Leadville? Mediums here though.


I guess you two Clydesdale class members better label your billowing britches, but I'll be able to tell mine apart


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 10:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I hit the track last night for some reason, I told my wife and she asked if I even knew where the track was.
If you ever want a crazy workout do a ladder.
I did 400-800-1200-1600-1200-800-400, all of my 400m splits were 1:19-1:29, the last 400 being the fastest. Boom.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/14 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck. I don't need you getting any faster!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/14 08:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Fuck. I don't need you getting any faster!


+1

I'm sitting here thinking "pfft, I can totally do that on a mountain bike too"


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/14 01:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol the things runners talk about. Some great times too!

Ran my third and final OC Chili Race last Saturday. Did 10 miles @ 91:15. And tonight I resumed the treadmill training... 13.1 @ 1:57:07. Hope to kick up the mileage to 16-18 next week. OC Marathon is creeping up fast...


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/28/14 07:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did a nice 7 miler in an hour again last night. Should be doing a long run tomorrow but my left heel today is hurting. Nothing special happened during my run, though I know it was starting to get sore during the run. It feels like it is the bone or something, because it is sore inside my heel, not on the outside/skin layer. It was rough just walking into work from the parking garage to my desk, ugh.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/28/14 09:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just saw this on URP:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/human-potential-running-series

I'm definitely going to donate. More ultras is good. Even if it is in Colorado where they have so damn many as it is, lol.


2000SiRacer
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03/28/14 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Design, sub-2 hour treadmill marathons! That's equal parts awesome and terrifying

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I did a nice 7 miler in an hour again last night. Should be doing a long run tomorrow but my left heel today is hurting. Nothing special happened during my run, though I know it was starting to get sore during the run. It feels like it is the bone or something, because it is sore inside my heel, not on the outside/skin layer. It was rough just walking into work from the parking garage to my desk, ugh.


It doesn't sound like this, does it?

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/plantar-fasciitis-symptoms

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Just saw this on URP:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/human-potential-running-series

I'm definitely going to donate. More ultras is good. Even if it is in Colorado where they have so damn many as it is, lol.


Fun fact - Florida has more 100 mile races than Colorado!

http://ultrarunnerpodcast.com/growth-of-100-miler-races-in-the-us/


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/14 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



In other URP related news, Buff's new Anton Krupicka Signature Series (including a shirt?!) is, um, something. I can't wait to see someone decked out in this gear at a race

http://buffusa.com/anton?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=productpromo
http://runssel.blogspot.com/2014/03/test-anton-tank-top-shorts-by-buff.html

Apologies to Chris if he's already purchased this


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/28/14 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


No, it has gotten slightly better today, and I've been sitting most of the day and think it is better because of that. I clicked around on other links and nothing else sounds like it, outside of perhaps stress fracture. I'm supposed to do 20 miles tomorrow and am unsure if I want to even attempt it. =/

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


Fun fact - Florida has more 100 mile races than Colorado!

http://ultrarunnerpodcast.com/growth-of-100-miler-races-in-the-us/


Yeah...well...screw you! Haha, it is 6 compared to 5. I haven't even heard of 3 of them, and 1 I just found out about the other day. Also, the 100milers here are all flat and and such, Colorado is brutal. The Keys 100 does sound cool though, it is all on roads through the Florida Keys. I might actually go after that one in the future.


2000SiRacer
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03/28/14 03:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer


Fun fact - Florida has more 100 mile races than Colorado!

http://ultrarunnerpodcast.com/growth-of-100-miler-races-in-the-us/


Yeah...well...screw you! Haha, it is 6 compared to 5. I haven't even heard of 3 of them, and 1 I just found out about the other day. Also, the 100milers here are all flat and and such, Colorado is brutal. The Keys 100 does sound cool though, it is all on roads through the Florida Keys. I might actually go after that one in the future.


http://ultrarunnerpodcast.com/growth-of-100-miler-races-in-the-us/

If you scroll down and read the last comment apparently Florida has 11 or 12 100+ mile races and is second only to California in this regard!

God only knows why anyone would want to run 100 miles in Florida but there you have it. You're an ultrarunning mecca and you don't even know it!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/28/14 03:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whoa crazy crazy! I only looked at the map. I'm sure there are plenty low key/unknown ones out there for every state too. Anyway, that's awesome. Hopefully next year I will jump into a 100 miler.

I did decide to sign up for a 50 miler because I needed something on my calendar to train for, lol.


Sir Ironpool
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03/30/14 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woo...heading into my 5 day taper after a 62 mile week. : headbang:

2000SiRacer
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03/30/14 12:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Woo...heading into my 5 day taper after a 62 mile week. : headbang:




So here's the bet: winning time is historically around 6:00 even. Using the highly scientific ultrasignup percentages your expected finish times are:

Ironmon: 8:28
Ampsman: 7:07

Whoever has the best finish as a percentage of their expected finish time wins something.

Aaaand, go!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/14 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, I like it!

Ampsman in Extremis
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03/30/14 05:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn you ultrasignup!!!!

2000SiRacer
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03/30/14 06:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn you ultrasignup!!!!


Yeah! Bet you'll think twice before coming in third again at a race! 95%!!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/31/14 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I'm still not sure if my issue is plantar fasciitis or what. It is still sore, but located entirely in the heel area, and not in the arch at all. I got a pair of Feetures Plantar Fasciitis socks anyway and was wearing it a lot over the weekend and it seemed to feel better.

I ran 5 miles on Sunday and it didn't hurt at all, walking is worse than running, haha. However, this is because I was running entirely on the balls of my feet and 24 hours later my calves are still sore. So that's not a good solution for longer runs, going to do 10 tomorrow and see how I feel.

I'm at 298 miles on the year, which is great for me. I've also walked over 100 miles just from walking to work and back so far this year. So I'm pretty happy with where I am and just hoping this heel issue doesn't stick around too long, or get worse.

I signed up for a 50 miler on July 12th called Bullet Creek 50, ironically signed up only hours before my heel issue started. I'm excited to work my way up to that. I have plans now for races through the rest of this year and into March of next year even. Excited to have my calendar filled out!


Sir Ironpool
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03/31/14 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

AFAIK there isn't much that can go wrong in the heel area, so you may have just bruised it or something.

I will say, if it was me, and if the pain was bothering me as much as it seems to be bothering you, I definitely wouldn't be doing 10 mile runs till I had it figured out.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/31/14 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well it is enough to be agitating when walking, and sometimes just sitting around. But not like I try to stand up and fall over clutching my heel, lol.

And, it was better when running, mostly because I'm more of a flat foot/front foot runner, so I put more weight and stress on it walking than running.

I only have 15 weeks to train for a 50 miler no time to screw around! ;\)


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/31/14 01:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dude, I'd consider Chris's advice. You've gotten really far in a short time and it'd be a shame to exacerbate an injury and take yourself out.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. Think about taking a week easy, it's better than a month.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/14 05:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I only have 15 weeks to train for a 50 miler no time to screw around! ;\)


I've played this game while dealing with a nagging injury…it doesn't end well brotato.

And this just in, Jared Campbell becomes the first person finish the Barkley Marathons not once, but twice. Ridiculous.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/31/14 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm trying to play it cool so far. It has only been since Thursday that it started acting up. Don't want to jump to any conclusions on it without giving it at least a week. But I also don't want to miss running I don't need to. I'm sure everyone understands that, lol. When you get that motivation and get in that groove you just want to go out and pound some pavement/trail. So here's to hoping I can give it a shot tomorrow!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/14 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

One thing I have taken away from my short time doing ultras is that shit is going to happen and you learn to adapt and work through it. I dealt with really bad IT band issues for about 6 weeks leading up to my first 50. I went into the race not knowing if I would even make it 10 miles and ended up finishing and having an incredible experience.
Where theres a will, theres a way.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/14 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think it goes both ways. I've seen guys push through pain only to complicate things even worse. But that type of injury is unfamiliar to me.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/14 12:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I think it goes both ways. I've seen guys push through pain only to complicate things even worse. But that type of injury is unfamiliar to me.


Yeah, you have to learn to differentiate the significant pain from the insignificant. I've done the whole "where there's a will there's a way" and took myself out of running altogether for two months. My friend Jeff gave himself a stress fracture and missed even more.

But at the same time you don't want to miss three days because of a blister. Gotta find that balance.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/14 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 days till Ampsman and I GET IT ON!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/01/14 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Design
I think it goes both ways. I've seen guys push through pain only to complicate things even worse. But that type of injury is unfamiliar to me.


Yeah, you have to learn to differentiate the significant pain from the insignificant. I've done the whole "where there's a will there's a way" and took myself out of running altogether for two months. My friend Jeff gave himself a stress fracture and missed even more.

But at the same time you don't want to miss three days because of a blister. Gotta find that balance.


That's what I'm trying to figure out. It definitely feels better the past 2 days. While I obviously don't want to injure myself, I feel like sometimes you just have to go run and figure out what is ok and what is bad, what you can deal with and what you can't, etc. So it is a training run for a 50 miler, but also a training run for my brain and tolerance level. Currently I'm pretty confident I will be super fine. Then again, why would I run if I didn't feel that way? Lol.

What race are you guys doing this weekend?


Sir Ironpool
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04/01/14 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

American River 50 mile up near Folsom/Auburn, CA.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/01/14 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome! You guys are pretty serious with being awesome so you'll do great. I'll look forward to the race reports! I'm currently thinking 10-12 hours for my 50 miler, I bet you guys are looking at sub 8 hours. You guys are jerks. ;\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/14 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck guys. You'll do great!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/01/14 06:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boom 10 miles in and zero heel issues. Awesome. However, my calves were already sore beforehand, so now they're extremely upset, lol. Rolled them out and got compression sleeves on so I'll be good.

Was one of those awesome runs where you're just going and feeling great. Having my heel not bother me made me not care about other minor issues, I swear I had a runner's high for the whole ten miles. Ended up doing 10.2 in 1:28, pretty good time for not being 100%. Feeling good!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/14 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn you ultrasignup!!!!


Yeah! Bet you'll think twice before coming in third again at a race! 95%!!


Just to add some credibility to their predicted times...
Their predicted first place female who they have finishing in 6:35 has run one 50k which took her 7:25.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/14 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn you ultrasignup!!!!


Yeah! Bet you'll think twice before coming in third again at a race! 95%!!


Just to add some credibility to their predicted times...
Their predicted first place female who they have finishing in 6:35 has run one 50k which took her 7:25.




Ignore the man (and mathematical assumptions) behind the curtain!!

I actually checked and they have faster predictions for you than purely your average percentages. I don't understand their math but ampsman: 7:04 and ironmon: 8:24

Good luck, gents!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/14 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd be 100% content with that time. \:\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/14 11:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a f***ing awesome night tonight. Not only did I take my training run outdoors for the first time, I shattered my previous time by over 12 minutes. 60° weather probably helped. ;\)

Newport to Seal Beach and back. 20 miles @ 3:15:19.

That's my last 20 miler before OC. Hoping to break 4:30 this time around.


**DONOTDELETE**
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04/04/14 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ugh my fucking feet are killing me again. Wtf.
Fuck the plantar fascia!

Taking next 5 days off again.
Fuck fuck fuxk.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/14 10:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you smoked it on that 10 miler tho! I wouldnt dare go that far

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/04/14 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
you smoked it on that 10 miler tho! I wouldnt dare go that far

I did 9.3(15km) race 3 weeks ago and felt fine.
Did a few runs in between, some easy, some speed, figured it'd been 2 weeks so I pushed up to 10.5m(at a much slower pace). What's weird is I didn't really hurt afterwards though.

But I think I made it worse, because tuesday I squatted(always barefoot), and wednesday my "slow" 3 turned into a tempo run.

Son of a motherless goat, I hate my fucking feet.

Everything else is raring to go. But it hurt to fucking walk or stand for long periods yesterday.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/14 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my legs are like jelly the day after I slow jog a 10k

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/04/14 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's the frustrating part. Everything except my feet are ready for 1/2 marathons, and based on recent paces I'm about as fast as my normal.
If my feet weren't being useless I'd be ready to train for breaking a PR.

Instead I'm putting insoles in all my normal shoes, researching taping, and doing ice baths on my feet.

STupid me overslept and didn't have time to pack up for cycling in. You'll get a laugh at my bike paces. I could excuse it with 1990s mtn bike technology on street tires, but really I'm just a sad cyclist.
I have the feeling I'll start biking just to get some cardio.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/14 01:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know those feels bro

I am also a sad cyclist but pass me (and then slow down!) and ITS ON BRO!!


'...on your LEEEFFFFTTT!!!'




2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/14 02:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sucks. So hard. Nothing else to say - injuries are devastating \:\(

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/04/14 04:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
That sucks. So hard. Nothing else to say - injuries are devastating \:\(

Yeah, I've been fighting my feet my entire "career". It's been the only injury i've had besides a sprained ankle which I got walking).

I've tried different shoes, no avail. I try ramping slowly.

Well I think I have a few new ideas to try. Night splints, taping, etc.
But I can't imagine I'll be running for a week at this point, and even then it'll be short and slow.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/14 11:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
I know those feels bro

I am also a sad cyclist but pass me (and then slow down!) and ITS ON BRO!!


'...on your LEEEFFFFTTT!!!'




I'm fairly certain you're a much better cyclist than you give yourself credit. You put down some decent miles. Eventually, that amounts to something.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah comparing my capability to the people I'm hoping to chase (lol) in the sprint/Olympic tris show that everyone's strong leg is the bike and I'm waaaay off the pace.

Neways when are Ampsman and cierrecart going to post their ultra results from yesterday we saw on stravaaaaaa? Good job guys. Amps ESP killed it :wow:


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
04/06/14 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a Ragnar Relay race this weekend with some people from my gym. My legs totaled over 13 miles. This was a fun run so not really all that challenging for me. Though I was assigned one of the easier running spots. Some runners had to do over 20 miles. Our van leader is a Ironman guy so he ran over 30 miles. Crazy. I seriusly want to do it again and be assigned one of the spots that takes on over 20 miles. The whole experience was pretty awesome. Pretty much hooliganing from city to city. Tagging/marking other ragnar vans, beer runs, barely any sleep, socializing with other teams, running around half naked at exchange points, etc. It was a big party on wheels. Felt like teenagers on drugs lol

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ragner is a fun event. Couple friends participated this year and loved it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 08:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First 50 miler in the books.

All in all a fantastic experience. My goal going in was to take it as easy as possible so that I crossed the finish line not dreading the idea of doing 100. Pretty much accomplished that. First 24 went by really quickly, then my friend Joe (who I paced at Western States) surprised me by keeping me company for the next 15, till my dad jumped in for the last 10. He's not really fast, so it was nice to just take it easy. I might have been able to go a little faster and come in under 9 hours, but I don't care...it was an experience I'll remember forever.

The last 3 miles is pretty much 1500 or so feet straight up...but I was feeling so good I ran/hiked that section better than I thought I could. Crossed the line in 9:06 feeling better than I have in any 50k I've done. 130/826 finishers.

Ampsman of course killed it and got 32nd overall and was waiting a good hour and a half for me to finish. (Only because I had to drive him back to his car, Ha!)


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 10:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

God damn, good show, old bean!!!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 10:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just did an extended swim-jog brick and that SUCKED, 3 hours in the ocean then a 10k when I got home. Fucking exhausted , well, I guess I know I can jog a 10k exhausted. I do not think I will be doing this again any time soon

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/14 11:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bullshit

I'll bet you're in full tri-mode in the near future


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congratulations on a killer race, Chris!!

I won't lie though - a small part of me wanted you to come back with tales of epic pain and misery just because that's how everyone's first 50 should be. If you can get out and run around the next day it's almost unfair to us death marchers

And ampsman's 32/826 finishers is just ridiculous!! Good show!
(but I've still got the CSi PR by 6 minutes) \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah..I'm feeling fantastic today.

Although my legs swelled up like crazy on the 6 hour drive home last night!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah..I'm feeling fantastic today.

Although my legs swelled up like crazy on the 6 hour drive home last night!


Oh god, that is the worst. I had a über painful race in Kentucky where my legs were so bad they kept me from sleeping that night. Then the next morning we had to wake up and drive 9 hours back to Madison. It was agony.

You must be drowning in confidence after this race though. If you can get through your first 50 feeling that good the whole time? You can take three hours longer to finish the first half of Leadville and still be in great shape to finish!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 12:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good show gentlemen. Great times!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 12:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I slept in the couch last night just so it was easier to keep me legs elevated. They look much better this morning. \:D

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty positive about Leadville right now. This course still had about 20 miles of pavement, so it kind of beat the legs up early on, so I think that's where most of the fatigue I felt came from early on. Aerobically, I was able to carry conversation from start to finish. Nutrition was fine (lived off the aid stations-didn't take a gel or block all day).

My brother took this at mile 7 or so.


Coming in to some aid station around the midway point:


Stuffing my face around 24:


Me and my pacer Joe...built like a body builder, but is a 3:00 marathoner and did States in 23 hours)


Us holding hands going for a little stroll:


More eating:


100 yards to go:


The family (and Ampsman)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great photos!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/14 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that is ridiculous that you took it easy and smiled your way through the whole thing :o, I think you could split that run up 3 ways and I'd die three consecutive times somewhere out in the middle of nowhere

Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
04/07/14 08:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone have achilles tendonitis? Got some pain there the past couple days. Pain is mostly gone now but it's now slightly swollen/knotted...

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/14 01:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Taking it easy I hope. \:\)

Went out for a 13 miler tonight with a goal of 1:55:xx. Felt strong halfway through and said "screw it, let's do the whole damn route."

All said and done, cranked out 18.63 miles @ 2:46:31. Reaffirmed my belief that some barriers you break by sheer will, and others simply by accident.

I'm not expecting to break the 4 hour mark at OC, but have it set as a stretch goal. 3 weeks and counting...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/14 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After a week off, I ran up to the summit of Mt. Wilson at 5500ft this morning. 15 miles round trip, but 5000ft just on the way up. It was killer, but awesome at the same time.



I also found out that I made it off the wait list for the Mountains to Beach marathon in Ventura next month where I was hoping to get a slightly faster BQ time. Unfortunately/fortunately we've already planned a trip to Palm Springs that weekend. I wasn't really feeling like dealing with that stress again. \:D


Edit: it was Wilson, not Baldy. Not sure why I was thinking that.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/14 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally hit my practice goal of holding 8:00/mile for a 5k jog

24:51 PR just now. Went out on a 7:15 first mile ... I must have confused myself with somebody else
This is also after surfing all afternoon and kinda tiring myself out already.

Wewt ! I'm gradually getting faster.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/14 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job guys.

Chris - I can't even HIKE Baldy let alone run it. Well done dude.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/14 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
After a week off, I ran up to the summit of Mt. Baldy at 5500ft this morning. 15 miles round trip, but 5000ft just on the way up. It was killer, but awesome at the same time


5,500' summit. 5,000' of gain.

That's so insane. I'm still jealous about that. I can drive down to Pike's Peak and do 7,600' of vert in one push but that ends at 14,114' and it'll be 30* and snowing in July \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/14 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Great job guys.

Chris - I can't even HIKE Baldy let alone run it. Well done dude.


Thanks Kent...not Baldy though...Wilson. I do use the word "run" loosely for the uphill leg. More of a jog, walk, hike, cuss, repeat action.

Hauled ass on the way down though. I couldn't run yesterday because my glutes were so sore!

Next up:
Baldy!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/14 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
After a week off, I ran up to the summit of Mt. Baldy at 5500ft this morning. 15 miles round trip, but 5000ft just on the way up. It was killer, but awesome at the same time


5,500' summit. 5,000' of gain.

That's so insane. I'm still jealous about that. I can drive down to Pike's Peak and do 7,600' of vert in one push but that ends at 14,114' and it'll be 30* and snowing in July \:\(


It's definitely nice to have access to lots of vertical. It'll be really hot in the summer, and it won't help me when climbing at 11k feet, but it's good for something at least.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/14 06:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
After a week off, I ran up to the summit of Mt. Baldy at 5500ft this morning. 15 miles round trip, but 5000ft just on the way up. It was killer, but awesome at the same time


5,500' summit. 5,000' of gain.

That's so insane. I'm still jealous about that. I can drive down to Pike's Peak and do 7,600' of vert in one push but that ends at 14,114' and it'll be 30* and snowing in July \:\(


It's definitely nice to have access to lots of vertical. It'll be really hot in the summer, and it won't help me when climbing at 11k feet, but it's good for something at least.


A full mile of continuous vert and "it's good for something at least" #csiproblems

There are poor saps from Florida, Kansas and god knows where else who manage to get it done. Don't you be taking that mountain for granite(d) lolpun


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/14 12:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
After a week off, I ran up to the summit of Mt. Baldy at 5500ft this morning. 15 miles round trip, but 5000ft just on the way up. It was killer, but awesome at the same time


5,500' summit. 5,000' of gain.

That's so insane. I'm still jealous about that. I can drive down to Pike's Peak and do 7,600' of vert in one push but that ends at 14,114' and it'll be 30* and snowing in July \:\(


It's definitely nice to have access to lots of vertical. It'll be really hot in the summer, and it won't help me when climbing at 11k feet, but it's good for something at least.


I'm jelly, I got some good hills around here but nothing like that. \:\(
Hence me always hammering hill repeats.

I went out at 9:15 last night after putting the kids to bed and did 4 x .8 miles with a little under 400 feet of elevation per.
Nothing crazy elevation wise but my splits were 6:58, 7:00, 7:01 and 7:01.
Pretty damn happy with that consistency.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/14 01:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Daaaang!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/18/14 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

36 miles in the last 3 days and 55 for the week so far. Off to Boston in the AM so I'm hoping I can get a run in there on Sunday.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/14 12:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^


Had a nice sunset run on the beach tonight. 13.7 miles @ 2:02:xx. 2 weeks until marathon!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/20/14 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Squeezed in a nice cool 10 miler this afternoon in Boston. Ran mostly along the Charles, with a quick jaunt around Beacon Hill back to our house.

Here's to hoping the wife has a decent race tomorrow.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In the most uncreeper way possible, I promise, I looked up your wife on the BAA tracker. She is doing really well so far. Reached the 15k split in just about 1:15. Keep it up!

http://boston-iframe.r.mikatiming.de/201...lang=EN&event=R


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looking forward to the update. \:\)

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, she's finished, but hurting pretty good. Slowest marathon in awhile but she went into this with less than half marathon fitness. She's just happy to be done. \:\)

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey, she ran the Boston Marathon. She had a good day. \:\)

Congrats to her. The chick who set the new US women's record did it in 2:22 LOLWTF


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a damn good time no matter what fitness level. Very well done!

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/14 09:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Texted with my buddy Drew (the big ex-Marine/current Boston FD guy) who ran it today. He said he did it in 4:54 and never had to stop. Mind you, he did this with minimal training. He said he ran beside Doug Flutie for awhile. \:\)

I'm stoked for him that he made it and he ended up raising a decent amount of money for a brain tumor charity. \:\)


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/14 07:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wife and I signed up for the January 2015 Disney marathon. Now I really need to get my shit together. I need to go into the final training stretch with more fitness than the last time we did this.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/14 07:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

jeebus dude u cray I just want to have a cheesegoggle crushing 5k PR on my strava profile \:\| j/k

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/14 08:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I want to crush my PR too ;\)

But I also want to avoid injury so as not to walk the last five miles of this marathon like I had to do last time.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/14 09:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea I have nothing to gloat there I'm not convinced I'm over my pfs knee thing really, good luck man-- I might consider a half marathon lol (for me) even that sounds like a reach

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/14 10:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got lost in the greater Boston area on my run this evening, lol.
Tried to recreate the route the duck boat tour took us on over the river by Bunker Hill....ended up in some sketchy industrial areas and pretty rundown houses/apartments. Luckily I'd brought my phone and got back on track before getting murdered/raped.

Actually it was a pretty cool way to see a new place.

http://www.strava.com/activities/133133703


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/14 07:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know a few of you guys are struggling with joint and muscle pain. I recently came across this article that, while almost three years old, has a lot of great exercises for combating mobility issues.

Definitely worth a read:
http://running.competitor.com/2011/08/in...r-runners_36329


slackereg6
(Member)
04/23/14 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know I am late but totally awesome to see Meb win Boston. Saw him talk a few years ago and just seems like a very humble and nice guy and a truly awesome story of immigrating to the U.S. because his family wanted a better life. I know this was something he mentioned while talking so great to see him accomplish it.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/14 11:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...it was so awesome to be able to follow along. We left the house (where I was watching the coverage on TV) so the kids and I could walk the mile and a half or so down to where we could get a good spot before they turned into Hereford. You could hear the roar of the crowd from way down the road, then the timing/media trucks went by and there goes Meb, hauling ass with the other guy a few seconds back. The next few minutes were freaking nerve wracking waiting to hear if he held him off. Awesome thing to see live!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/14 11:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's cool you got to be there to see a little bit of history in the making. First win in three decades is definitely noteworthy.

Ran a nice 10.5 miler along the coast tonight. Almost got a sub-8 min/mile average which is a first for me. Feeling pretty good for next week's marathon.

*crosses fingers*


SJP0tato
(Member)
04/26/14 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone use calf compression sleeves? I've been getting extra soreness in my lower legs doing speedwork the past few weeks. Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/2XU-Non-Stirrup-Co...ion+calf+sleeve


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/14 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have some 2XU sleeves as well as socks. I've worn them both in a few races and didn't find that they did anything noticeable. I do know that they work great for recovery...specifically to reduce the massive swelling I get when I have to drive after a big race.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/27/14 07:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I use calf sleeves after long runs, typically anything over 10 miles. If it is a 15+ mile run I'll wear them all day, even sleep with them on as they don't bother me. They're great fore recovery, the next day you'll feel basically normal. I have Feetures and CEP.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/14 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I want to like calf sleeves but I don't think my Salomon sleeves (on sale!) are compressiony enough.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/14 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We have a heat wave hitting us down here this week...should be in the 90's by wednesday. Figured I should just embrace it, lol.

Upped my mid distance weekday run on the trails by a mile and about 500ft of vert. 13 miles and 2400 feet of gain in a hair over 2 hours. It was hot, but I felt decent.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/14 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's supposed to drop to the 70s by Sunday. Don't think I could handle another 90* marathon. \:\(

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/28/14 07:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not only is that some serious heat but that's serious mileage and vert in awesome time! You're too damn fast lol.

Now that I moved to FL I need to get used to the heat here. I ran on Saturday 9:30am-10:30am and it was brutal. Over 80 and the sun is so fucking direct here it killed me. I only did 6.8 miles but wished within 3 miles I had water with me. Going to take a good while for my body to adjust to this kind of heat.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/14 07:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
It's supposed to drop to the 70s by Sunday. Don't think I could handle another 90* marathon. \:\(


I'll be crossing my fingers for mid 50's and overcast skies for you Kent. Recipe for a PR right there.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/14 11:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Snowing and 28 on my walk to work today. Enjoy it now fuckers because I'll get my (three months of) payback soon enough \:\(

And 90 weather in April? You're in for a rough summer!


**DONOTDELETE**
()
04/29/14 11:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

38 Monday morning for ride in.
88 Thursday afternoon for commute home.

They got snow in the mountain, and now this.. wtf


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/14 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy crap.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/14 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm getting pumped for my ~1.8m jog this evening

[last week was supposed to be my 'knee testing/recovery' week which was a qualified success. Then I skateboarded 4+ miles right after a 5k jog. Then my knee was sore again so I will consider that a setback (?)

re-boot. maybe 7-8 miles this week \:\|
[apologies for noobing up this forum, but whatev! lol]


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/30/14 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
We have a heat wave hitting us down here this week...should be in the 90's by wednesday. Figured I should just embrace it, lol.

Upped my mid distance weekday run on the trails by a mile and about 500ft of vert. 13 miles and 2400 feet of gain in a hair over 2 hours. It was hot, but I felt decent.


Kicking ass man!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/14 05:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well... the OC Marathon got pretty darn hot around 2 hours in. Despite that I managed to shatter my previous PR by nearly 30 minutes.

Final time was 4:10:39. Pretty stoked.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/14 05:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Kent....I was tracking you online this morning (while laying in bed, lol) and saw that you were at sub 4 pace through the half, but that you'd slowed by the 20 mile marker. Figured it was either hills or the heat...but looks like you were ableto hold it together for a great finish. Nice PR!!!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/14 08:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. I really wanted to get under 4 but got woozy/nauseous late in the race. I think it was a combo of heat and training at a much slower pace until very recently.

My goal was to beat my sister's time of 4:31:xx that she had set when she was in college. And I will probably enjoy family bragging rights for years to come.

I don't plan to run another marathon until next year. But I have plenty of other shorter races to keep me busy. :-)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
05/05/14 10:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job man! That's an awesome time.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! keep it up!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went after a course record yesterday and missed it by 15 seconds over a 2.9 mile section. \:\(
I think I am going to try again next weekend and approach the section different. I had already ran a 2 mile section with a 1000 foot climb before I even got to the section I was going for. You can access a different route that gives you a 1.5 mile downhill before you get to it.



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is that mtbike-able? I'd still probably be slower lol! [unless you go the reverse direction heh]

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For sure! I almost get ran over by those fuckers all the time! \:D
I usually park at Lexington reservoir and run up Alma Bridge road to the trail haed.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

alright, I will PR the fuck out of that trail if you KOM it next weekend ;\)

*save as type-->Run


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 04:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How bout we meet up there next weekend...you on bike, me on foot.
Loser buys beers?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 04:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats a hell of a climb!

But wait..aren't you supposed to be tapering? \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 06:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
How bout we meet up there next weekend...you on bike, me on foot.
Loser buys beers?


do we avg the uphill and the down?

looks like you're running sub 8 minute miles straight up-hill tho and that's no joke. But that downhill leg tho hehehe


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
For sure! I almost get ran over by those fuckers all the time! \:D


At the rate you're going, probably the other way around.

Well done!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How you feeling today Kent?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 09:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

80-90%. STIFF this morning. But now? Just a little sore in the knees and calves. Walking seems to help a lot.


I'm going a little crazy forcing myself to take it easy.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/14 10:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread




When I saw the first picture I was like "damn, that's a beautiful mountain scene" and then when I saw the itty bitty Anton in the blue shirt I was like "hoooooly shit, that's awesome and now I want to go for a run"

EDIT: and I ran Collegiate Peaks 25 this Saturday. Didn't taper for it and went in with moderately beat up glutes and hamstrings. Still pushed the effort and ran well enough. First race against/with my girlfriend and I managed to edge her out by ~15 minutes (she still placed 3rd in the F20-29 group) so that made me feel good. Although with 3,000' of vert at 8,000-9,000' and me having the altitude acclimation I was expected to win this round.

Next stop: 50 miles in Virginia in five weeks. She's got heat and humidity for training and it's going to be 36 and snowing here in 3 days. I'm worried about this one.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/14 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty cool man. Love the scenery!

But holy crap, no taper and high altitude? You crazy.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/14 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9 days till Bishop 100k!
Trying to do a full 2 week taper instead of the 1 that I normally do.
Going to try and keep intensity up but volume down.
I went up to SF running company last weekend and was talking to Jorge Maravilla about the course, hes the current CR holder. It was his first 100k and he ran it in 9:40. Beast.
Anyway, weather forecast is showing mid 80's and the course is very very exposed.
Thank god I'll have mr. mom there to rub ice on my nipples.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/14 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My balbi is ready!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/14 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Curious for you guys who run a ton of mileage. How long do you wait until resuming activity after one of your longer races? After LA I resumed a couple days afterwards and was feeling good. But this time I'm being a bit more cautious.

Been walking quite a bit but no running yet. Still some mild soreness in the left leg. Thinking 4-6 easy miles Sunday. Too much too soon? Too late?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/14 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My standard seems to be 3 or 4 days before I'm itching to get out there.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/14 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

May try a couple easy miles tonight and see how things go. Have the Pendleton 10K Mud Run at the end of the month.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/14 05:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had a race Saturday and did an easy short run Sunday. Scheduled to run 8 hours this week. I think I've run the day after every race I've done. Sometimes it sucks at first but once you've loosened up and the blood starts moving it's good active recovery.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/14 07:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

63.6 miles this week...and that was with 2 full days off. May is shaping up to be a good one!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/14 10:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!!
I managed to take it easy this week. My goal was 50% volume but hard efforts and I think I accomplished that. My legs feel super solid on the hills. I went after a CR today. and missed by 8 seconds. \:\(



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/14 11:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hmm not sure I can steal that on a MTb \:\|

oh and new PR 10k [after I somewhat beat myself up surfing all afternoon ok not really but I think the sun takes a lot out of me]

10k 55:26 per strava [stopped at a few red lights, splits look better] looks like the redlights count against me so just by the splits this was a bit under 53 minutes woo
8:47
8:18 [some teenage girl passed me here so I sped up a little heh]
7:07 [I have to assume GPS error?]
8:41
8:51
9:03
8:18 [last 0.4]
per strava avg pace whole thing: 8:27/mi

and I felt like I had plenty left in the tank. I'd call this a huge improvement.
when I set out I just wanted to cruise/jog slow. Then the chick passed me. Then I sped up a little. Then I probably had a GPS errored mile but I'm sure it was still quick [for me]. Then I noticed I could 'dig' way deeper than I have before and push my HR up into zone 3 to go faster without the rest of my body falling apart [legs mainly].
I just bike commuted to work and pushed it and my legs arent even tired. woo


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/14 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For the days you really want to push time, and be fairly accurate, you could always plan out the route ahead of time. Then use the GPS app to keep tabs on your time/average pace. For me, I just add seconds in my head if I need to stop at a light.

Nice work BTW.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/26/14 10:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This thread is dead! I'll bring it back. \:D

Had a good week. I did 56 miles in 5 days of running, and 14k feet of vertical. That included two back to back runs....one up Mt Wilson (5k feet in 6 miles) on Friday and then Mt Baldy the next morning (4500 ft in 6 miles, up to 10k feet. Would have liked to get closer to 70 miles for the week, but we had a short vacation to Palm Springs. Plan is to finish off this month with a bang. \:\)
I turn 39 on the 30th....it'd be neat to double that number in miles this week.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/27/14 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^You're crazy. Liked the photos though.

I usually update every Friday but have had a sore knee the last week or so. Thinking I ran too hard the last few weeks following recovery from the marathon. Going to take it easy through next week's mud run and see how things progress.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
05/27/14 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm not training for anything right now and went from running ~100 miles a month to only 35 so far this month, and that's with a 7.5mile run yesterday, haha. I'm hoping to finish this week and make sure I get to at least 40, if not higher.

Busy with life is part of it, and trying to do different things (started doing yoga on Mondays) is part of it. I just moved this weekend so hopefully as I get everything settled I can make sure to run more. However, I also want to start biking to work, I used to live a mile away and walked it, now I'm ~8miles away and hoping to bike it, so we'll see how all that goes!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/27/14 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm trying to ease into 10-12 miles a week again [last time I tried my knee gave up]. Have a low-stress sprint tri @ the end of june to train for [run is just a 5k], knee feels good so I dont want to push it. ~3 runs a week, one 'long' [lol like a 10k] and 2 shorter like 5ks/week would get me out around 12 miles/week if I stick to it. wooo.

my strava stats say I've averaged 9.x miles/week the last 4 weeks

My schedule [for running] seems to be:

Tues some kind of quick-ish 5k
Thur [if not then Fri]
Fri: [unless I ran on thur] usually try to brick on top of a bike
Sun: long/slow run

I figure I need to see if I can hold ~12 miles a week before moving on/becoming injured. I failed last time.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
05/27/14 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran the Cleveland Half Marathon last weekend...kind of a last minute thing. My coach wasn't very happy...he found out 2 days before lol.

Wasn't my best time but I felt great. He told me to just use it as a training run and keep my HR in zone 2 148-158bpm.

Finished in 139:04 the course was a tad long

http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/504417769


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/14 10:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My knee seems to be getting a bit sore from a combination of running, stairs, squats and biking. But it's nothing major, just affecting mostly the squat workouts.

Some pics while running this week:

5AM run this morning (ugh)



Same trail on a regular day - lots of Geese



gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/14 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So much nicer than the stories of being out there in the dead of winter. \:\)

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/14 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey that's my goose! He made it home! Yaaay

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/01/14 09:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Set a new weekly mileage PR: 80 miles and a hair over 10k vertical feet. Feel pretty good about that. Ended up with 261 miles and 45k feet for the month of may.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/14 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Nice work guys.

So I realized the sore knee is an early case of ITBS. Combination of resuming training too soon after the marathons and increasing speed during a few of my recent runs. Working in a couple more lateral exercises to strengthen hips and IT band.

Did an easy three mile run Friday. Felt good. Going to continue to take it easy for another 2-3 weeks. Then kick up mileage/speed slowly. This is one condition I don't want to exacerbate.

On the plus side, ordered a set of Asics GT2000-2 Trails. Friend of mine works there and can get me half off retail. Woot!



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/02/14 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My May looked like:
~280 miles biked
~38 miles jogged
~8 hrs surfing
5 hrs of pool workouts [missed a week and a half because of work travel]

slowly ramping up the jogging post my knee injury. so far so good. My 5k/10k times are improving rapidly [knocked like 3 minutes off my 10k for instance in may]


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/02/14 11:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm pretty happy with my May:
96 miles biked (75% on the trainer)
90 miles running (Probably 50|50 treadmill/outdoors)

My running pace is coming down nicely, knocked out a sub 9 min/mile pace for 10 miles this past Saturday for the first time. The heat here makes keeping pace up brutal near the end of the run.
I keep telling myself it's good training for this fall & cool weather. \:\)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/03/14 08:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

May sucked for me, for running at least. I barely hit 50 miles (and 22 of it was the last week, lol). But then again I was doing Yoga on Mondays and Kickball on Wednesdays, so wasn't running those days but still being active. I don't have a race to train for at the moment so just trying to stay active in general and doing things, I even rode a bike to work today, 7.3miles and it was awesome.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/14 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Mr. Mom is killing it! I'm just trying to hang in there and get thru a rough patch. \:\(
I have a 50k on Sunday, I plan on going hard and either have a great race or shit the bed and cry myself to sleep in the fetal position.


**DONOTDELETE**
()
06/03/14 02:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Don't know how to total a month on strava,
Let's say 42 of running (foot is getting better tho)
140 of cycling (not bad for 20 mtn bike and 20lbs of gear).

Set a PR(I think) on the 9.9km...(forgot how far I 10km was, shorted it).


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/14 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not sure on cycling since I don't always bring my phone - but I just started outdoors this month, so not that hard to estimate.

91 miles running
I'd estimate 100 miles of actual biking
4 hours on the stationary bike
7500 stairs

Starting more morning runs. It sucks getting up and it does affect my sleep. It's a bit tough to dress in the morning. Starts off cool, ends hot as hell as the sun comes up and I'm always more senstivie to temp in the mornings.

I find the first 20 minutes quite easy, but after about 40 minutes I get more aches then when I run later in the day. Once done, feel great throughout the day though and gives me more time in evenings too (which I often just use for weights).

As for PB's and shit, none. I run/bike to burn calories. I push myself and try and improve, but I'm pretty plateaud in that regard. Stairs are for pure anaerobic/recovery. I can hop into a hockey game and be in top shape without issue.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/04/14 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Glad to see everyone is still getting out there. \:\)

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/14 11:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran 3.7 today. Usual pace.

Signed up for a 10k (that finishes on the 50 yard line of Gillette Stadium) on 7/3. Got talked into it by a couple of friends. Not sure what I'm thinking there.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/14 12:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Gamby...slow and steady.



Good luck to ampsman in his 50k 2000siracer in his 50 miler this weekend. Go kill it!


Personally I'm sitting at 55 miles so far for the week with almost 10k feet of vert. Hoping to hit 75.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/14 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Humbling day on the trail this weekend.
I ran this same race last year and had a very good race and went in with somewhat high expectations, knowing that I'm alot fitter than I was last year.
I think there was a combination of things, it was about 20 degrees hotter this year and I already have 4 races under my belt this year, including the 10 hour 43 mile suffer-fest in Bishop just 3 weeks ago.
Hills have always been my strong suit and I just didnt have my legs on the hills which resulted in me pushing harder. I was only 2 minutes off last years time at the halfway mark but was not in good shape.
There is 8.5 miles between the last 2 aid stations and I was out of water within 3 miles.
About 22 miles in I hit the wall very hard and ended up sitting down in a creek for a couple of minutes to try and cool off and get my head right. I ate everything I had on me, 2 gels and 3 FPS chews and started trudging on.
I managed to run the last 4 miles to last aid station at a decent pace considering my condition and even passed about 3 or 4 people.
The last aid station was only 2 miles from the finish but looked like a triage center. I was doing the 50k but there were also people doing a marathon distance, there were about 4 of them there looking like death. I filled my bottle and began the trek up the last hill and then the downhill to the finish. Ended up finishing in 4:46, about 15 minutes slower than last year but not bad all things considered. I got first in my age group and 4th overall.
Last year I ran 4:31 and finished 8th overall, so it was definitely a slower race this year.
Time to take a break from racing and focus on some quality training for leadville.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/14 03:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All things considered, you probably did better overall this year. 20 deg delta is HUGE.

Your placement overall says it all. Well done.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/14 04:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Killed like I knew you would, I'd hate to see what you would have done had you had a good race.




I had another solid week. 75 miles and just under 12k feet of vert.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/10/14 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job Gamby...slow and steady.



Good luck to ampsman in his 50k 2000siracer in his 50 miler this weekend. Go kill it!


Personally I'm sitting at 55 miles so far for the week with almost 10k feet of vert. Hoping to hit 75.


Thanks Brotato!

You know how it went, but for everyone else: pushed through a strained hamstring to finish in 9:52. My second slowest 50 time ever (first slowest was the 38 miles of hiking ending in injury at Ice Age last year ) but I'm happy with it because I didn't DNF and it felt like an exceedingly easy effort all day long (other than the hamstring pain, that sucked). Breathing through my nose, taking a gel every 30 minutes, etc. No bonks, no cramps, no blisters, no black toenails, no chafing, no nausea, nothing. My hamstrings are both sore as hell but everything else was pretty much recovered a few hours after the run.

That said, it was still a trip, as it always is, to picture turning around and doing it all over again. Only two miles above sea level. Lit the fear of Leadville under my ass in a big way so let the summer training block BEGIN!


(I shaved the beard off after the race so now I'm all baby faced for the summer. The man in orange also posts here but I'll let him chime in if he wants to )


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/14 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread




After getting cold feet (read: not wanting spend $300) at REI yesterday and then consulting with Ironmom, Ampsman and my girlfriend I bit the bullet and bought myself an insurance policy. I keep telling myself it works out to about $4.55/month for peace of mind.

Now let the back country adventuring begin


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/14 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just finished off my third 75+ mile week, with a 16 mile trail run yesterday and a 15 mile on the roads today. 75 miles and 10k feet of vert for the week.


5 more weeks of this to go.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/16/14 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I can hardly see how you guys can run that much, part of it being having that much time, but don't your legs want to fall off as well? How much rest are you doing? Running every day, or 1 rest day a week or what? The most I've run is 6 days a week and I definitely think even that is a lot. I was capable of doing it, but I got sick of the long 20+ mile runs.

On another topic, I started biking to work, a tad over 7 miles each way. My running has gone down greatly because of this, 100 miles a month to 50 miles a month average. Though I'm going to be doing 200+ miles a month biking, so not so bad I guess.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/14 11:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm running every day. My rest days are an easy 5 or 6 miles. My body has adapted well. I'm feeling healthy and strong. Some minor aches and pains, but nothing that affects my running.

As for finding the time: I was up at 4am on Saturday to get up to the trailhead early so I could be done and home by 11 for family activities. Otherwise I'm running at night or whenever I can squeeze it in. All my other hobbies have been put on hold.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/16/14 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man that's impressive. I know the elites are doing 80-100+ mile weeks training for their A races, but it still seems insane. I do a 100 mile month and think that's a lot, haha.

I might sign up for another ultra in the future which will require that type of running, just haven't decided yet. I like running the road more than trails, which makes me a backwards runner I guess, lol. So I might look into a road ultra, such as the Keys 50/100 here in FL.

Anyway, good for you on keeping the running priority one. Can't wait to hear everything about Leadville! You guys got crew/pacers and everything? If you guys just stay together I guess you're just each other's pacer, lol.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/14 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

went jogging BEFORE I went surfing sunday [only because the waves were miserable and expected to improve as the tide dropped] did better than I expected [this is my new distance PR lol cry], my first ever 15+ mile run week too heh, I will try to do that this week as well

the waves after were better and I was a little scared I'd cramp up but the cold water was AWESOME and I was able to catch anything I wanted. good times. I'd recommend a nice dip in the pacific after a jog to anybody

anyways this was supposed to be a long/easy run but I probably went a little too fast still I felt good/comfortable/HR was around 120.
I'm sorta thinking I'm probably already capable of a 1/2 marathon at this pace but who knows, so perhaps I'll go for the 'stretch' part of my 1/2 marathon goal instead [say closer to 8:00 pace than 9:00], of course my knee might blow up again and I guess thats ok too


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/16/14 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a great pace. I like doing my runs around 9min miles, that feels semi slow at times for me though. I think if you're doing that pace for 8.7 miles you'll be great for a half at 1:50 or less.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/14 04:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
That's a great pace. I like doing my runs around 9min miles, that feels semi slow at times for me though. I think if you're doing that pace for 8.7 miles you'll be great for a half at 1:50 or less.


as long as it's faster than Cheesegoggles \:\|


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/16/14 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...nice run man!

Design
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06/16/14 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot. Nice results man.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
06/17/14 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I raced my first tri of the season over the weekend. It was a 45 miler .6mi swim 38mi bike and 6.55 run.

I finished 2nd in my age group and 4th overall. I was 6th out of the water at 19:09 moved up to 4th on the bike 1:25 and dropped to 4th on the run with a 51:54.

I was all over the place swimming, I couldn't sight for anything, the bike was average and by the time the run came it was hot with no shade and my legs were toast.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/14 05:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man...I guess that slave-driving coach you hired is paying off, eh? \:\)

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
06/17/14 05:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

LOL yeah it's starting to pay off. Now if I can be as quick as he is that would be great. He just did Ironman Brasil and finished 6th overall with an 8:34

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/14 05:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sick! 27mph bike split ... When r u going pro?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/17/14 05:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work dude.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/14 12:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fell a lite short of my 75 mile week goal and only hit 70. Kinda figured it would happen since it's the first week of summer vacation for the kiddos. Probably good to ease back a tad too.

I did have a beast off a mountain run on Saturday though:


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/14 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I would curl into a ball and cry 1/2 way up

Design
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06/23/14 12:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I'd be done by mile 2.

Damn impressive.


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06/23/14 01:05 PM
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That looks brutal. I'd hike that shit, but fuck calling it a run.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/14 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I use the term "run" loosely. \:D I mean, I ran the 11 miles after that, but that trail up is pretty much relentless, so it's just a matter of putting your head down and getting up it any way you can. \:D

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06/23/14 02:56 PM
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Yeah, I suppose so. Reminds me of the last time I did camp muir, also around 10k. 30 minute miles are blisteringly fast at that height and while climbing.
I don't think I was doing 2k of vert an hour though.

Of course, I got to glissade down. SO there's that...


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/24/14 08:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
That's a great pace. I like doing my runs around 9min miles, that feels semi slow at times for me though. I think if you're doing that pace for 8.7 miles you'll be great for a half at 1:50 or less.


as long as it's faster than Cheesegoggles \:\|



You are definitely faster than me now with your "jogging". My best half marathon was right at 2:00 and I could not do that now. And I haven't been running enough. But now that I am on the unemployed wife starvation diet plan, it will be my goal to get back in front of you. ;\)

Good work!


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not that fast, but by my next run, I'll be over 33 miles for this week. Easily the most run miles I've done in a week (bike is in the shop).

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Warm, humid 4.3 miles today. I ran with a Camelbak today and I'm glad I did. I guess I'll wear it for my 7/3 10k.

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06/25/14 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Warm, humid 4.3 miles today. I ran with a Camelbak today and I'm glad I did. I guess I'll wear it for my 7/3 10k.


How many aid stations does it have?

I don't want to tell you to get dehydrated, but camelback on a 10k seems like overkill.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 04:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Not that fast, but by my next run, I'll be over 33 miles for this week. Easily the most run miles I've done in a week (bike is in the shop).


Nice!
I'm at 5 runs and 32 miles for this week so far. With some of the kids in day camp, I can squeeze in 2 shorter runs easier than one longer. Hoping to hit 75 again by Sunday.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Not that fast, but by my next run, I'll be over 33 miles for this week. Easily the most run miles I've done in a week (bike is in the shop).


that is awesome. I'm still quietly suffering/crying from my 11 mile jog on sunday. I'm just not the same person anymore , I couldn't bike commute on Monday. Swim practice Monday I was slow as f*ck, Tuesday I bike commuted and managed to be fast [for me, 17mph into the wind and 17.8 with it, net moving avg including all traffic impediments], and today is Wednesday and I want to skip swim practice again and I didn't even bike commute

I'm horribly broken


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm definitely suffering.

12.5k Sat, then squats and deadlifts on Sun followed by light kayaking and then tennis with the wife. Another 12k Monday with Frankenstein legs and 10.5 this morning.

If I didn't do weights, shit would be far more enjoyable. Plus, waking up at 5AM to run is tough. Squats ruin cardio and I'm sore for 3-4 days after.


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06/25/14 05:09 PM
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Yeah, I'm slacking today. I rode in on the bike, but skipped lunch run(or weights).

I need to get over my 12 measely miles a week hump. I'm quick(for me), but I'm not putting near enough miles in right now. I think I need to sign up for a race.

My weight training is a once a week thing these days too, sad.

CN: We all need to sack the fuck up.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 05:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I call it tapering \:\|

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06/25/14 06:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
I call it tapering \:\|

Doesn't that require building up in the first place?
\:\|


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 06:02 PM
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SJP0tato
(Member)
06/25/14 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hoping to hit 75 again by Sunday.


When you have weeks around this mileage, how many hard vs easy/recovery runs do you typically do?

I kinda realized last week I was doing pretty much all my runs at a med-hard or hard pace, which always seemed to limit me to around 25 miles per week (anything more and it'd be nonstop knee/joint pain). I'm trying alternating easy runs this week and seeing if it helps.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 10:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, this is all buildup to Leadville, so everything is at what I feel like is a sustainable pace. Some nights on the the roads it might be 7:30 pace, on the trail it could be a 15:00 average. My speed has definitely gone down the crapper ever since my BQ back in February though. That's the trade off though...just trying to get the body ready to handle 100 miles in one shot.

I'll switch to a marathon specific plan with the standard tempo, speedwork, LSR etc after the North Face 50 miler in December. My goal (if I get in to Boston) will be to go sub 3:05.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/25/14 10:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Warm, humid 4.3 miles today. I ran with a Camelbak today and I'm glad I did. I guess I'll wear it for my 7/3 10k.


How many aid stations does it have?

I don't want to tell you to get dehydrated, but camelback on a 10k seems like overkill.


No clue how many. I'll put a bike water bottle's worth in it. It's going to be a pretty big 10k (finishes at the 50 yard line of Gillette Stadium) so I figure there will be an easy 2000 runners. If I have my own water, I can sip when I want and I won't have to wait at a station.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't bring water on 10k's unless record breaking temps, but when I run stairs, I just throw a bottle of 50/50% water/gatorade in my pocket and drink it all by half way.

I'd think it would be easier to buy some sort of belt with those small bottle and just toss them as you run - though if they have stations, I'd just stop at those and carry nothing.


Moof
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After hating it for many many years.... I have started running. 2 miles a day, one before working out and another one after. It sure makes leg day a bitch lol.

Slowly getting down to the 6 min/mile mark. It may be another month or so.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn that's flyin!

Moof
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 02:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
damn that's flyin!


Really? I though that was a slow time. I can pull off 7 minutes comfortably, 6:30 is a bit of a physical/mental struggle.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well it is to me, kudos! I recently ran a 22:01 5k and that's all I got. I am also slow though. For a 1-mile I can do a 6:3x but I'm sure I'd fade if that were 2 [also known as I am slow]. For really slow comparisons I'm still over 50:00 in a 10k heh and most likely will stay there a good while

7:00 miles to me are absolutely not comfortable. Unless you're talking about just going out for a 1 mile jog (?) I have no idea. I'm talking about a pace to hold for a 5,10,or 15k jog or whatever. That's ironmom stuff

but who cares right? this is a personal journey. unless I am stalking u on strava


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

He said its just a single mile before his workout and another after. So no...not horribly fast. Not slow either though.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 03:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As someone who gets impressed with himself on the rare occasion when the pace goes to low 8's, it's impressive to me.

I was surprised at my bump in pace post-MS150, though. The increase in stamina seems to have sped me up a bit.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's all relative out there. Always someone faster. And hopefully someone slower.

I think most of us are simply in competition with ourselves anyway. I think with enough time and focus anything is achievable.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/26/14 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I"m a bit like Stickaz. I can run a sub-50 10k, but a 6 min mile over more than one mile is moving to me.

I run purely for cardio and calorie burning though. Overall fitness is my goal, which is why I do a lot of high intensity work and weights as well.


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06/27/14 10:33 AM
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I think you guys are underestimating the effects of distance. Moof said 1-2 miles right?

43:00 10k (7mins) getting pretty fast
14 mine 2 mile(7mins), above average, but far from noteworthy. Not unreasonable to feel fresh after that.


Moof
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/14 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was going to run last night, but I hurt my back playing floor hockey again. I think it's all the stopping and turning, but floor hockey hurts my back every damn time. Pinched nerve, perhaps?

The only other time it happens is if I run an incline or anything over 4 miles straight


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/14 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to start my night running training for Leadville. I have an awesome headlamp made by Petzl, but had only used it for 30 minutes at the start of my 50 miler a few months ago. Hit the trail a little before 8 and was able to catch a killer sunset. Did at least half of my 12 miles in total darkness and holy shit...it was epic. Something really exhilarating about cruising down trails in the pitch black with nothing but a beam of light showing you the way.



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06/27/14 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah night timing trail running makes me stoked.
That said I can't imagine the stoke lasting all night. 3am is a lonely tiring hour no matter what you're doing


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/14 08:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, it's gonna suck...and I'll probably cry a lot, but I'll at least try to enjoy myself. Plus..id rather keep moving towards the finish than freeze my ass off. \:D

slackereg6
(Member)
06/28/14 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Seems like the perfect time to ask this. What are people using for a head lamp? Doing a local trail run series that is at night and need something.

Anybody use anything that helps when running in the heat? I really want to run more this summer but it is like 90 degrees at 8pm at night and I just can't get through 5 miles or so without dying. I have a water bottle vest on order for longer runs but that is about it.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/14 02:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Try an early morning run if you can, after things have cooled the night before.


The tri training has forced me to limit my mileage the last few months. I only average about 10 miles/week. But the IT band issue has completely subsided. Next race isn't until November; might sign up for Long Beach or R&R LA to keep things motivating.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/14 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have the Petzl Tikka RXP. It's amazing. Super comfortable, easy to adjust, and crazy brightness that can be adjusted and programmed for different output. It's also got reactive lighting where it's full power looking down the trail, but dims when looking at something close, like a mat.


As for hydration. I use handheld bottles most of the time, but also have a Simple Bottle (google it) that I tuck into my waist for shorter runs. I also have a Ultimate Direction AK pack I use when I need to carry more stuff (like my phone, fuel, etc.


slackereg6
(Member)
06/28/14 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Early morning still sucks. Tomorrow at 6am it is 80 with 97% humidity. I am also not good at getting up and doing anything that early.

Thanks. I think that lamp may be a little overkill for me but it is a one time purchase so I might just get it anyway. I will try that simple bottle out it might be perfect for what I want.


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/29/14 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
Early morning still sucks. Tomorrow at 6am it is 80 with 97% humidity.
Sounds like you're already doing most of the common sense stuff. There is some adaptation your body goes through for operating in the heat. It's supposed to take around 2 weeks for total acclimation.

Some of my runner friends swear by doing an easy 5k around the hottest part of the day for 2 weeks. They say their pace at the arbitrary effort level goes up slowly over the two week period. I haven't tried it yet, but might give it a shot this year.


Moof
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

PSA: Don't have coffee, oatmeal, and a protein shake for breakfast before running. Photo finish in the bathroom lol.

On that note, I moved my runs up to 1.5 miles now. 11:06.


slackereg6
(Member)
06/29/14 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I will just keep trying to get 4-5 runs in a week and be more consistent. I have never been consistent with running. I have been trying to hit the local trail here as it is shaded and with all the turns the gps distance is not accurate so I just use that as a mental excuse for the slow times.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 06:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another weekend, another Mt. baldy summit. I felt bad about sleeping in yesterday, so I knew I had to get up early today and hit it. Took the slightly shorter (but steeper) route up to the top, then the long 7 mile descent back to the car.

Topped off the week at 75.6 miles and 307 miles for the month so far. Biggest month ever, so I'm pretty stoked on that.


Moof
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 08:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm absolutely blown away by the amount of miles you can cover like it's nothing.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 08:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it's not the miles (I believe) in his case, much like biking it's all about the vert...

edit oh and for the lulz: I just jogged a slow 10k @ 11:48 mile pace lofl
my goal was to stay in 'zone 2' aka pure aerobic/slow + this was sort of a recovery day for me from my race yesterday.

it was glorious going that slow

hopefully this actually helps my aerobic side. I have no idea what I am doing.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 08:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Sterling
I'm absolutely blown away by the amount of miles you can cover like it's nothing.


Thanks man. It's weird how the body and mind adapts to the demands we put on it. This kind of mileage is new territory for me, but it's been a progressive build...which is why I've been able to stay healthy and injury free (knock on wood). It really does help that I just love to run. I can't think of more than one or two days in the last few years where I didn't look forward to a run.

Having this huge test looming over my head is a big motivator to get out there and bust my ass. I figure if I suffer in training, then I won't be surprised when it starts hurting bad in the race. Failure is not an option. I've met every goal I've set in the 4 years I've been training and racing...not about to change that now...especially when I'm flying a thousand miles away from my family to do it. If I don't finish it'll be because they drag me off the course. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/29/14 08:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
it's not the miles (I believe) in his case, much like biking it's all about the vert...


It actually is mostly about the miles, or rather time on my feet, that's Im most concerned with. Leadville only has a few big climbs, and it's mostly the downhills that have the potential to do the most damage, which is why I've been doing lots of long descents. Getting up to Mt. Baldy once a week is mostly so my body gets used to being up that high. Otherwise my total very is fairly tame now that the kids are out of school since I can only get on the trails once or twice a week.


slackereg6
(Member)
06/30/14 10:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I always hate posting after mr mom. I may be slowly getting acclimated to the heat. Got in 6 miles in just over an hour on the trail I have been running. My longest to date on that trail and I felt decent for the first 5 miles or so. 10k is next weekend and if I can avoid breaking my ankle on a stump I am hoping for under an hour.

Edit - It was 94 when I started yesterday


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
06/30/14 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My first bib--for Thursday's 10k



Apparently around 6500 runners between the 5k and the 10k, so I'm likely gonna carry my own water, as the aid stations will likely be a clusterfuck. Did 4 thi afternoon. Should be an interesting experience--even at my "jogger" pace.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/30/14 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had no idea you were a Christopher too. /mahnigga

gamby
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06/30/14 07:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yepper.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/01/14 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Half year update. I've ran 524.60 miles total this year. (298.33 first quarter and 226.27 second quarter) I'm happy with this as I wanted to scale back and run 200 a quarter for a total of 800 this year. Trying to get out as much as I can, but running right now in Florida is brutal. Even running at 8am it is 85 out and feels like 90. Last night was nice I did 5 miles and got rained on for the first 2 miles, which was fun because it cooled things off and made the last 3 miles nice. Past 3 days have been runs of 6 miles (bridge/hill repeats), 7 miles and 5 miles. Tonight is a beach run, probably do 4 miles.

Got no races coming up right now, all the races here are in Winter when it is actually decent out.

I also got a bike and have been biking to work, so this past month alone I biked ~330 miles. Though they're almost entirely easy miles and not hard miles.


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07/01/14 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whopping 230 (238 I think) for the year. The good news is I'm healthy, and quick by my standard.

I'll take it. Shooting for 520 for year. Which based on my recent mileage so be no sweat. I was shooting for 700, but based on my foot taking me out for a few weeks here and there that's just not realistic for my first year "consistently" running.


Sir Ironpool
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07/01/14 03:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm at 1,355 miles so far. 315 for last month alone (my biggest month by like 40 miles I think). The crazy thing is that I'm not noticeably fatigued at all. The body feels ready for battle. \:D


We leave on Friday for a week of mountain biking and running some beautiful Sierra backcountry trails and drinking beer in the river.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/14 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

June totals:

bike: 250 miles-ish
run: 60 miles-ish
swim: 10-11 hrs in the water

making a little progress here and there. I'm afraid I may have regressed a little on swimming but at practice last night I was still making my intervals and even made a 400y interval sub 5:00, so it's all probably in my head



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07/01/14 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh and 161 miles on my mtn bike, which is my most this year.
All on road of course...


SJP0tato
(Member)
07/01/14 09:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Apparently around 6500 runners between the 5k and the 10k, so I'm likely gonna carry my own water, as the aid stations will likely be a clusterfuck.


My very first half-marathon was supposed to have water stations every 2 miles, in actuality it was more like every 3.5-4 miles. When I got to the first one, they were giving out those super tiny paper cups that hold maybe 1/3 cup of water. I figured fine I'll deal, when I took a sip it was 90% crushed ice. Since then I always bring a minimum amount of my own water just incase.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/14 09:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I've nursed the IT band long enough. Decided to go back out for a slightly faster run tonight which felt good. 6 miles and no issues (yet). Going to do strength tomorrow and then resume 8 min miles late this week.

Need to make room for BBQ!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/14 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey Kent...Ive got that wetsuit for you.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/14 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Apparently around 6500 runners between the 5k and the 10k, so I'm likely gonna carry my own water, as the aid stations will likely be a clusterfuck.


My very first half-marathon was supposed to have water stations every 2 miles, in actuality it was more like every 3.5-4 miles. When I got to the first one, they were giving out those super tiny paper cups that hold maybe 1/3 cup of water. I figured fine I'll deal, when I took a sip it was 90% crushed ice. Since then I always bring a minimum amount of my own water just incase.


That's my fear. A bottle of water and some ice in my camelbak won't slow me down and I can sip when I want.

Anyway, 6 month total:



Mostly bike. Some running.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 02:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus guys great mileage you're all putting in.


 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hey Kent...Ive got that wetsuit for you.


PM'd


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 11:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job guys! Half way thru the year!

Year-to-Date
Distance 1,253.0 mi
Time 176h 54m
Elev Gain 163,999 ft
Runs 158


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^yes I've biked more than that! [if only barely ]

and only like 5% of that elevation, doe


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07/02/14 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


I don't think I've even drive that much this year


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't log everything with the same app (especially cycling), but ran just over 100 miles in June.

Cycling, I'd estimate 150 miles or so. I typically run 3-4 times per week and cycle 1-2 times (plus one stationary cycle).

Weights 3x/week.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/02/14 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Good job guys! Half way thru the year!

Year-to-Date
Distance 1,253.0 mi
Time 176h 54m
Elev Gain 163,999 ft
Runs 158


You are 3 miles short of my total distance ran for all of 2013. =[ Lol.

Everybody in here has put in some serious mileage, that's awesome.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Miles: 487
Runs: 63
Time 77 hours


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/02/14 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
^yes I've biked more than that! [if only barely ]

and only like 5% of that elevation, doe


Get dat bike out on kennedy trail bro, mad vert.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 11:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Aside from "HTFU" and "don't", what is the proper etiquette for taking a walk break in a crowded 10k? Get to the right?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
^yes I've biked more than that! [if only barely ]

and only like 5% of that elevation, doe


Get dat bike out on kennedy trail bro, mad vert.


anything like this? anytime I take the mtb out I head here [unless whoever I go with lives in mtview or something they always have a hardon for Saratoga gap or whatev]


each loop is like ~1200' or something, packed with fun stuff


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Aside from "HTFU" and "don't", what is the proper etiquette for taking a walk break in a crowded 10k? Get to the right?


just go out on a comfortable pace. no walking! you're in way too good of biking shape to have to walk a 10k [unless you go out too fast\]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 11:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mby
Aside from "HTFU" and "don't", what is the proper etiquette for taking a walk break in a crowded 10k? Get to the right?


Either side. Stopping in the middle is certain death.


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07/03/14 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Most races are only crowded at:
the start (oh god, don't be in the front 10%)
The stations(you've got a plan)
the end a little(I've never understood this "hump)

You might encounter one or two other "bulges", but most races I've been on haven't been ridiculous after the first mile.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I plan on starting near the end of things. No business being up front.

stickaz--my cycling conditioning doesn't have much bearing on my running. The cardio is nothing, but the impact still wrecks me. Plus, I can coast on a bike. Hopefully the adrenaline of it all keeps me moving.

Thanks for the input. Race is at 6:30 tonight, assuming thunderstorms don't cancel it.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You'll be fine dude. Take it easy and have fun!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 03:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Something Witty
^yes I've biked more than that! [if only barely ]

and only like 5% of that elevation, doe


Get dat bike out on kennedy trail bro, mad vert.


anything like this? anytime I take the mtb out I head here [unless whoever I go with lives in mtview or something they always have a hardon for Saratoga gap or whatev]


each loop is like ~1200' or something, packed with fun stuff


Probably not as fun as that, its fire road with about 2k of vert over a 4 mile climb.


slackereg6
(Member)
07/03/14 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I have the Petzl Tikka RXP. It's amazing.


Got it in and am now blind. Thank you.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 06:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ah.. fuck fire roads man. Single track + stunts

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 10:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That 10k turned out to be a blast. So glad I did it.

I ran a 1:01:46 with a 5k of 28:06, which is the fastest 5k I've ever put down, so I'm stoked about that. 9:57 pace, so I'm sub-10 minute. Still dog slow by real runners' standards, but I'm happy about it. I don't know how I placed. Says 741st, 111 in my division (M40-49), but I don't know the exact number of people in the 10k.

Others in my little crew ranged from 45-50 minutes. The dude who did 45 has done a 36 minute 10k in more heavily-trained days.

The Camelbak saved my ass. It was 90 and Amazon-humid at start time. Just brutal. Apparently, a few people got overcome during the damn 5k. Plenty of water stops, but they wouldn't have done enough for me. I walked a few times, but I didn't walk until the 5k mark (thus the PR).

Of interest--Dick and Rick Hoyt ran this event (along with a bunch of others on "Team Hoyt"). I finished about 20 seconds before he did. Bad motherfucker, he is.

They announced names as we crossed the line, so having my name announced at Gillette stadium was pretty badass. Overall, a VERY well-run event for so many runners (6500 between the separate 5k and the 10k).

I'm pretty psyched I did it. Again, nothing super impressive, but it's another life experience. 178 miles of MS150 on 6/21-22 and now this.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/03/14 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job dude!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/04/14 12:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Gamby...no go buy some 3" split shorts and get serious. \:D

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/04/14 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd be so fly in dem shawty shawts.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/04/14 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job. Anytime people worry about times, just think of how many people could finish a 10k.

I'm running 10k today, throwing in stairs (likely around 1500) and hills. I hope I'm not overdoing it, but this will be tough. Hot day too.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/04/14 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Good job. Anytime people worry about times, just think of how many people could finish a 10k.



That is such a nice thing to say. \:\)


slackereg6
(Member)
07/05/14 09:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a few miles at night on the trail I have been running and it just looked liked someone had thrown glitter all over it. Hundreds of spider, lizard, and insect eyes reflecting is all I could see.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/05/14 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Creepy.

Where I run, must be something odd, but there are all these worms hanging down from the trees by some type of silk. I'm ruining and dodging them looking like a Vietnam vet having flashbacks. Still end up with 3-4 green worms stuck to me somewhere.


SJP0tato
(Member)
07/05/14 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The heat here blows, upper 80's and 50%+ humidity at 5am should be a crime. I keep telling myself it's good training, right? Right????
Heart rate in the upper 180's at an 8:30 pace can die.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/05/14 09:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I feel ya with the heat. Ran 10 miles today at a 9:40 or so pace, which is a solid minute+ slower than I'd be doing this when its cool. Did it 9am-10:30am and it was about 90 degrees here in FL. The heat really slows me down, but want to try to hit 100 miles this month so gotta get out there and just try not to die lol.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/05/14 10:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm running in Sacramento right now and it's just about 100 degrees. Did 6 in the am when it was a little cooler, but I just did another 6 at 8 and it was still hot as hell. Pretty nice besides that though...beautiful sunset along the river levee.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/05/14 10:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

31 mellow miles on the bike, some ocean swimming and a 4.1 mile run at 9:24 pace (all) today

*drops mic



slackereg6
(Member)
07/05/14 10:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It rained today so the night trail run I was going to do turned into a pavement out and back 10k.

53:30 give or take a few seconds. Started at 830pm an when I left about 1030pm it was 82 and 65% humidity Next race is in 4 weeks and my goal is to finish in about the same time but on the trails.

Doing a 5k fun run in the morning with the gf. Can't wait to see how my legs feel with less than 12 hours of rest.


slackereg6
(Member)
07/06/14 09:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5k went about how I expected. Finished just under 30 minutes. Was not trying to race it or anything but I felt drained at the end and doubt I could have gone much faster if I had tried.

Back to the trails this week to try and get ready for the next race.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/06/14 09:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How fast do you figure you could run a 5k? The only time I ran one, I was almost 50lbs heavier and just wanted to finish. Now, it seems like such a tough distance to pace.

slackereg6
(Member)
07/06/14 10:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last 5k race I did was 2 years ago and I ran a 23:09. Honestly no clue how I would do on fresh legs but I am thinking my old time would probably be about my limit if the weather was cool enough. I am not consistent enough to have improved in the last two years.

I was always told for a 5k go out at what feels like a stupid fast pace and just try and hold it as best you can for the last mile. I doubt that is the correct way to do it.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/14 09:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last week - ran 28 miles, biked 62.

Legs are tired as hell. I went for a walk last night and felt like hard work.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/14 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Crunch time for Leadville! Feeling good so far!



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07/14/14 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6

I was always told for a 5k go out at what feels like a stupid fast pace and just try and hold it as best you can for the last mile. I doubt that is the correct way to do it.

Actually that's not far off. 5kms are short/miserable.

If you know your hard mile time, add 10%.


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07/14/14 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Last week - ran 28 miles, biked 62.

Legs are tired as hell. I went for a walk last night and felt like hard work.

28 miles is solid(for us humans not attempting and Ultra race), you planning a marathon?


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/14 02:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nope. No racing for me. I exercise mostly because I used to be heavy and I'm paranoid of going back. Even as a heavy guy, I was still running/biking pretty regularly. I have been upping my distance in both biking and running in hopes of breaking through a weight plateau, but I think the increased hunger and a bit more summmer drinking offsets that. I rarely take a day off, which isn't helping my legs. Tough to run/bike after a squat day.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/14 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I try to give my legs 1-2 days a week off. At some point, you need to recover.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/14 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I try for a leg day off/week as well. Ideally, I'd like to have 2-3 off where I do no cardio, but I'm not sure that will happen anytime soon (except for vacations I guess).

slackereg6
(Member)
07/14/14 03:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tomorrow I start training for my third marathon. I am going to keep trying until I can get one in under 4 hours.

Thinking about doing two at the end of the year exactly 1 month apart. Not sure if that is a good idea or not.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/15/14 07:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did my first two 8 weeks apart. Took the first one easy, did the second a little more competitively. Recovery went fine. Though I should have taken a full two weeks of recovery before getting back at it. Your results may vary, but there's no big reason why you couldn't.

Also trying to get in under four hours. Just need to train at a slightly faster pace this time around. Friend of mine might get me entry into LA again next year (her company helps to sponsor).

*fingers crossed*


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/14 10:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Today was 40 miles on the bike and a 4 mile run.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/14 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's solid. Good work man.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/14 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. \:\)

Pretty stoked that the running portion of it is no longer beating me up like it used to. Wut dat base do


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/14 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Frequency & Consistency > *

Nice work man.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/21/14 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I decided this month to try to run 100 miles and bike 300. I'm on pace to beat both of them so now my goal is to run 120 miles, which is how much I ran the last 2 months combined! And also to bike 380, just to make it an even 500 combined. I have a good shot at doing this and feel good about it, considering it is July in Florida, makes it tough to get out for any decent mileage. For instance, I ran Sunday for 7 miles, which is 2 laps around a park, I wanted to do 3, or maybe even 4 laps, but I got so hot my body wasn't into it (maybe the 37 miles biked on Saturday had a little to do with it) and I ended up stopping after 2 laps. I checked the time and it was 9am, and it was so hot I was drenched in sweat. I bet the weather was close to 90 already at that point. It is surprising how much weather can affect you for this type of stuff. I sure hope when November comes around I'm able to run really far really fast after this Summer!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/14 01:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Florida is all about swimming, imo! great job on the mileage tho.

myself I think I am plateauing heh. I continue to not be worried about my swim fitness or bike fitness really [I need to get some hills in tho]. My run I need to re-boot/re-focus on.

I've got a international distance tri in 2 months and a 1/2 marathon the week after that to worry about. So I've got to focus on running and not just talking about it ;\)

my goal is pretty modest: average 15 miles/week and some kind of legit training program. Earlier I was having a knee problem with this distance in the year but I seem to be ok now. Just need to be careful. I think 15 is plenty with the swimming/biking I also squeeze in. 8 minute/mile club most likely for the rest of the year ;\)


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07/21/14 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've never been that good at setting "annual" or "base" goals.
Me: " Like, hey I want to run a half, or ride a century, that takes getting up to xx miles per week. Oh, I'm done, back down to 3(or 0) miles..."


I think my goal is to crack 15(been on the world's slowest build up) miles/week next week and carry that +/- through the year.

For the bike, I'd like see about cracking 1,500 for the year. Which means I need about 43 miles/week. Less than I'm doing now, but I know I'm a bit of a fair weather cyclist(shit I get less than 9 hours of daylight in December).


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/14 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

15 is plenty IMO - that's three sessions with room for one to be a longer run.

We runners tend to overdo things too quickly, in our quest to chase down that speedy unicorn.


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07/21/14 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
15 is plenty IMO - that's three sessions with room for one to be a longer run.

We runners tend to overdo things too quickly, in our quest to chase down that speedy unicorn.

That's me.

Like I'll average 3 miles a week, ooh, there's a 1/2 I want to do. ramp up fast(maybe injuring my plantar fascia in the process), run race; either slow and enjoy or less slow and suffer. Ok, I'm done.

Pretty sure this year is well on pace for my most miles, and my least "racing" or "training".


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/14 01:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha don't look at me: I'm not even at 240 miles jogged YTD \:\|

I imagine any kind of regular mileage leads to decent improvements


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07/21/14 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
haha don't look at me: I'm not even at 240 miles jogged YTD \:\|

I imagine any kind of regular mileage leads to decent improvements


I'm only a smidge more than you, for being "runner"...

I wouldn't know about regular miles, I run probably 4months in any given year. Improvements=tiny.

I think my plan is spend about 6 months at 15mi a week, then next year find a 1/2 to go out and kill. Then do a ton of trail races.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/22/14 11:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

(cross posting)

Did another brick today.

PR'd my 12.1 mile bike TT and ran 5k afterwards (a lot of tri-folk ride that TT).

Hoo-wah.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nicely done dude. How was your 5K time?

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I want to swim in summer since I have access to a decent lake, but fuck I can't get the breathing right. Water seems to rush into my nose the minute I put my face in.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 12:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like you just need to relax :backstroke/breastroke are OK too

Breathing is a near constant exhale also, water won't run up your nose if you have an exhale going (or shouldn't), even if you are mouf breathing (like everybody does), there's always a slight pressure out your nose mouf breathing. Try goggles doe. I freak out less in moss/algae/kelp/open water if I'm wearing swim gogglez


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 01:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I bought goggles because I used to wear contacts. But I found even trying to exhale slowly, it was like the minute I tucked my head in, it felt like the water was pressurized and forced in. I tried to exhale slowly, but that lasted about 2 seconds then water came back.

I can swim pretty good with my head up, but dat sore neck. I should just use a snorkel like a d-bag.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well some people do wear noseclips :shudder:

Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/24/14 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Today was the first time I ran to work and back. Also the first time I've run twice in one day. ~7.2 miles each way in about 1:05. Surprisingly I was only a minute slower on the way home, though it was almost 100 out via heat index.

I am now at 99.99 miles ran on the month, haha. I made sure coming home I did 7.18 to put me at 100.00, but website shows 99.99 anyway. This is first time since April I'll hit 100 miles in a month, and my goal now is 121, which will top May and June combined!

I'm also hoping to hit 380 miles biked, mainly just to hit 500 total miles, this isn't as big a deal. I ride mostly for transportation to work and back, and just for fun and doing whatever light shopping I can, I don't ride hard for exercise, at least not yet. Cool part about riding to work and back I haven't filled up my gas tank in almost 6 weeks!


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/14 09:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Nicely done dude. How was your 5K time?


Nothing impressive (because lackluster runner). 3.25 miles in 31:56. 9:49 pace. Decent for having busted my balls for 36 minutes flat out riding a TT doe.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/14 01:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Agreed. Damn good show.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/14 10:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah that's not bad dude. I continue to overestimate my ability to run off the bike or bike off the swim or like last weekend: run off a (long) swim. I couldn't will myself to anywhere faster than like 1:30/mi slower than my 5k pace , over 7 miles in an actual race. Come to think of it that might be about right its just I'm slower than I'm acknowledging to myself so I always end up disappointed. Heh

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/26/14 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is one of the most encouraging threads on CSi. \:\)

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/26/14 11:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

35 miles on the bike and a 5k loop later in the day

Can't believe I can do this on a regular basis now.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/14 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Have been very inconsistent with my running and exercise in general due to a hectic schedule the last couple of months. Trying to get back on track with running regularly three days per week. Should try to get in the bike one or two days as well.

Ran 9 miles on the treadmill this morning at 8:47/mile. Would never have been able to maintain that pace outside with it being 85 degrees and humid this morning. Goal is to comfortably run 10 miles outdoors at a pace of 8:45/mile or so. Losing ten pounds would help that cause as well.

Then marathon training will begin in mid-September.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/27/14 07:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

5 years ago today I started my weight loss. Pretty crazy to think it has been that long! I was 159.6 this morning, I topped out at 240. 1/3rd body weight loss is nice, but I have been right at 160 for like a year, so this is more my status quo now.

Hoping to round out the month well, gotta get in some decent mileage by Thursday to hit my 2nd and third level goals, having already met my original goals for the month. \:\)


slackereg6
(Member)
07/29/14 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles


Ran 9 miles on the treadmill this morning at 8:47/mile.


I did the same only outside and a minute per mile slower. Hopefully I will speed up once it cools off again.

Week 2 of training is done.


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/29/14 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn Cheese, that's not a bad pace for that long.


Run commuted home last night. 4.8 @ 9 temps in low 90s, ugh
Run commuted in to work today 4.6(?) @ 9, temps in the mid 60s(NICE!)

Once I get my feet up to the 14 miles this week I think I'll dial the speed back in. I've been running slow for the whole month. I'm not sure I still have much speed, but at least my milage is building.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did an 11.5k run w/ 10 seats of stairs in the middle (2000 total) yesterday. It was hot. My body was peeing and the run back after the stairs was tough.

Thinking of just doing weights today, then a morning run tomorrow. Hot week, so I'll keep anything in the evening on the bike since heat doesn't bother me much while riding.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn dude. you should enter a 10k or a 1/2 or something, might be fun to see where you're at with all this work you put in.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Damn Cheese, that's not a bad pace for that long.

Thanks. I was happy I was able to do it and might have had a little more in me. But I definitely would have been slower had I run that distance outside.

I don't even try to run outside once the temp gets over 85. I get gassed in a hurry.


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07/29/14 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Damn Cheese, that's not a bad pace for that long.

Thanks. I was happy I was able to do it and might have had a little more in me. But I definitely would have been slower had I run that distance outside.

I don't even try to run outside once the temp gets over 85. I get gassed in a hurry.


I was a drippy mess when I got home yesterday, but as long as I hydrate I could have kept going. Salt is key too, as I'm a "salty" sweater.

I hate treadmill miles. Especially long runs


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
damn dude. you should enter a 10k or a 1/2 or something, might be fun to see where you're at with all this work you put in.


I really have no urge to enter a race. I know it would push me to actually max myself, but I just don't care. I like opening the door, doing a 10-12k loop, coming home and done.

Last summer I pulled a 48:XX 10k just running around the neighborhood trying to keep my pace at a certain level. I used both my Garmin and phone to confirm the time/distance. I'm sure I have a good bit more on the table, but my legs are never at 100% with biking/running/squats either.

Ditto on the treadmill hate. I've ran in 95 degree weather in Hawaii and would rather be a dripping mess than stationary in a room.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick, thats a faster 10k than my goal pace ;\) [49:59] woo

I'm still ~ 2 mins over that. Every time I try to PR it I have some kind of reason excuse and bail out of the 8:00/mi pace in the first or 2nd mile

happened to me on last saturday too. Tried to PR a 10k and ended up doing mile repeats. It was like ~90F out and I mistakenly thought I could just power through/tough it out.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/29/14 02:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The nice part about it being super hot out (90+) and you're still able to get out and do 9 minute miles is knowing that if it was only 70 out you'd be doing 7:30 miles. At least, that's my rough guesstimate.

I've been struggling through the heat here in FL. My runs seems to go from 8:30 pace to 10:00 pace by the end of 4-7 miles. It is going to be awesome in a few months, but right now it is grueling.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/14 07:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.2 miles outside with the stroller at a 9:18 pace. Didn't feel great tonight but did well enough.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah hot temps obviously kill the pace. Glad there's someone else out there that can stomach the treadmill for longer than a mile.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was 70 this morning, but 91% humidity meant I was still soaked. Also had the Costanza heat pump thing going afterwards.

Hopefully, the legs will hold up for a squat session, then a ride tomorrow and Friday's cardio is golfing/walking the course.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did 2 miles on a treadmill. Once.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Like the guy at my work who has a bike trainer and will do 3 hours rides without moving.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Unfortunately that's me. My kids enjoy their friends at the gym while I train.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/14 08:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good to see all you guys still going after it.

The last 3 weeks have been pretty crazy...vacation (ran quite a bit on the trails, plus MTB), then a week at scout camp where I didnt get huge mileage in (only 60) but I was at 6000-8000 feet the whole time so thats good for something. Last week was lame....only 2 runs for a whopping total of 28 miles. We've been moving into the new house, that has obviously taken priority over training. Ive been getting some serious all body workouts though, thats for sure.
Went out last night at 10 after a long day and evening and knocked out 15. Was still hot and humid, but it felt good. I leave for Leadville 2 weeks from thursday. :scared:


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 12:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Scroll back a bit. I've done some bike/run stuff that you'll be pretty happy about. \:\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 12:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn Leadville in 2 weeks? Definitely be cheering all you guys on.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update: so the chest pain I've been experiencing hasn't been healing as quickly as I'd hoped. Going to revisit with the doc to see if I have bruised or fractured ribs from last week's injury. Thinking last weekend's traithlon could have made things slightly worse.

In any case, it looks like running is on hold for another 2-3 weeks until things improve. Still painful to lie down and get up. Fingers crossed for the best.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Shit. \:\(

I hope everything checks out and gets back to working order soon. That has to be beyond frustrating.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 03:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my spidey sense calls broken rib(s)

which is great (and lame) because the 'fix' is usually 'here's some advil'


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/31/14 05:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. Yeah the goal is to get an x-ray and a nod from the doc that nothing else looks wrong. I don't think I'd have been able to complete the tri on a broken rib? Thinking this was a good bruise.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/14 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

so I'm still on the bike-less plan and am loving it

I know shocker right?

I am on my bike-mileage reduction-plan recently hatched by the horror of my impending 1/2 marathon and [international distance] tri upcoming the week before that [less than 2 months now :scared: ]

energy level is higher, comfort is higher, maintaining speed is easy as pie

perhaps I've just had a couple good /short jogs but I feel quicker by reducing my weekly mileage from the 50-70 range down to 20-30

normally I feel fairly beat /dead and my workouts are kind of a bitch. a couple months back I pulled my bike-commute days off of my swim days [used to do doubles] because mainly I was so burned out in the water or mostly because I was sick of the slow people being on my feet or not making my normal intervals. a little of both

anyways still trying to figure out how to push this balloon around but I'm punting from the bike commute ~4-5 days a week mode + 1 weekend ride [70-100 miles/week] down to around 20-30 and am still swimming/surfing 2-3x/week and running now 3-4x/week instead of 2-3 and adding mileage --body seems to hang on up to 15 miles/week now

to sort of contradict myself I hope to go mtbiking this weekend on a ~2-hr ride with a ton of elevation [for me], say 4k+ or so of climbs

I think you could safely say I'm still battling burnout of sorts and am figuring out where to pull workouts out. I'm around ~8 hrs /week of cardio still tho

~3 hrs in the water
~2.5 hrs jogged
~2.5 hrs biking

perhaps I will try this for a while


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/14 03:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Diagnosis: bruised ribs and cartilage. Doc was puzzled how I managed to swim/run with the inflammation. Took X-rays as a precaution.

No swimming or running through next weekend.


EDIT: Good to see you staying busy Stickaz


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/14 04:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

glad they aren't broken ;\)

also apologies for mostly just whining/crying


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
08/01/14 05:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Heal up, Design. Hope all is well in a couple of weeks.

8 hours a week is a solid effort, stickaz. That's still a hefty regimen. \:\)


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08/01/14 05:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd agree with gamby, don't worry about increasing past 8 if you're struggling, Hell maybe drop down 6 next week for a mini reocvery.

I'd say just sort of keep hovering at 8. I think that's one thing you've got to do as you're pushing for more, recognize you've made huge progress. Don't try to push through just to do it, but don't go back to couch potato either.




Just rounded 14 miles this week with a quick 5km. Felt the heat and all, but still not too bad. Feet seem happy at 10-14 range. Though the 2 5milers within 16 hours was a bit hard.
Ended up with about 3x commutes so 30miles/2.5 hours on bike so far.

Shooting for 3 hours on bike on Sunday,hopefully before the heat.

I missed the weights this week, so that sucks.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/02/14 09:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did 8.5 miles outside. The temp wasn't that high - low 70s. But it still wasn't pretty. The last couple of miles were rough. Overall pace was about 9:45. Would have liked to have seen that under 9:30. I knew that treadmill run of last week was not predictive of what I would do on the road but it felt good to say I did it

Need to suck it up and lose 10 pounds quickly. That will help.


lessthanmike
(Major Member)
08/02/14 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It time for me to head out. I'm running the last leg of the Burning River 100. We have a 8 person team of triathletes lol



slackereg6
(Member)
08/03/14 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Doing a series of three trail runs and the second was last night. First one was on pavement due to rain and finished 19th overall and 7th in my group. Last night finished a few seconds over 58 minutes. 14th overall 4th in my group. Not a fast crowd but I am happy with my results.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/14 10:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sat/Sun 15 miles with big hills - tired.

TenTwelveAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/14 08:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz
I did 2 miles on a treadmill. Once.


Yeah, running sucks but, I did 3 miles non-stop for the first time yesterday around my neighborhood. Can't fathom 10-15 at this point.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/14 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man! You say that now, but I bet you get there before long. \:D


I capped off this big block of training for the Lesdville100 with a 72 mile week. That makes just over 1600 for the year so far. Feeling very ready and can't wait to go find out how tough I really am.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/14 12:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: TenTwelve
 Originally Posted By: stickaz
I did 2 miles on a treadmill. Once.


Yeah, running sucks but, I did 3 miles non-stop for the first time yesterday around my neighborhood. Can't fathom 10-15 at this point.


Baby steps. I still take 2 short walk breaks in my neighborhood 5k loop. That's down from 5 or so when I first started. \:\)

Ran on Saturday and Sunday. Back on the bike today.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/14 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job man! You say that now, but I bet you get there before long. \:D


I capped off this big block of training for the Lesdville100 with a 72 mile week. That makes just over 1600 for the year so far. Feeling very ready and can't wait to go find out how tough I really am.




Cant believe we are less than 2 weeks out!

I feel pretty good about what I've put in this year, so nothing to do but go out and enjoy the suffering!!

Year-to-Date
Distance 1,577.2 mi
Time 223h 10m
Elev Gain 206,125 ft
Runs 197


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/14 12:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You two have insane base mileage. Cripes. I only have ~2100 in on my damn bike.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/14/14 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a good week (mostly) after nearly 3 weeks of inactivity:
- Monday: 6 miles treadmill
- Tuesday: Elliptical
- Wednesday: ~7 mile mountain bike + 2.75 mile trail run



And.... this was nearly me during Monday's run...




Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
08/15/14 08:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last week (Fri to Today)

28.5 miles running (plus another 12k tomorrow)
67 miles biking
2000 stairs
Throw in a couple 300+ bench sessions.

I think my plan for the next week will be a touch less so I'm not dead by my race on the 23rd.

Maybe 2-3 more runs (Sat, Tues/Thurs), 1 more bike (wed) and a good squat session. I'll try and bike the race course since it's in an area I'm a bit unfamiliar with and practice running the stairs while carrying my bike. I've done a "set" before and that extra weight is killer, let alone stairs cases with 200-250 stairs.




silentfurymm
(Post Master Sr)
08/17/14 07:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Neat, I have not posted here yet but it will be good to help keep up the motivation. Trying to get into shape for the Newport Half Marathon, which would be the longest I have ever run. A few years ago I ran the Coronado 15k a couple years in a row, but since then the longest was a 10k last year. I got motivated by some fellow Officers while down in VA for school this summer. In April I ran 8 miles, in May I ran 22 miles, in June I ran 32 miles, in July I ran 52.4 miles and then I got hurt. Left inside shin splint of some sort, so Ive run 8 miles this month. To compensate I started riding the bicycle again, I did 24 miles or so on the bike over the last two weeks.

Today I ran again for the first time in two weeks. I stretched for a really long time and ran a 5 mile race here in Newport. It went pretty well, the leg didnt hurt while running and doesnt hurt now. Hopefully I can get back into training now.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/14 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran ten miles at barely faster than a walking pace today. It wasn't too hot but it was pretty muggy. And my fitness still isn't where I want it.

I will be glad when temps are down in the 50s.


DWalk
(Post Master Supreme)
08/17/14 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ten miles is legit at any pace, good work.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/18/14 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

CG's 10 miler @ walking pace was ~:45s/mile quicker than mine from Sunday \:\(
*and really, really embarassing compared to what some people did this weekend heh



miles 1-7 again I had zero water but I just went slower to compensate. At mile 4 I ran into the Lexington Dam climb [500'? 1000' ?] and nopenopenope.gif'd and turned back heh. Maybe one of these days ... You can see @ mile 4 where I turned back..

I attempted to run @ my "long, slow" pace [calculated to be 10:30/mile]

#nailedit


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
08/18/14 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Mr. Mom runs Leadville

I'm trying to motivate to do my little 5k loop of my neighborhood later.

Another day on CSi...


**DONOTDELETE**
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08/18/14 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I pushed my stroller at 10/min pace for a few miles. The little one loved it until she fell asleep.

My milage plummeted due to back to back 50-60 hour work weeks. I think I"m well off pace for my annual goal. Hoping to get moving.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
08/21/14 09:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

36 miles on my feet this week. Running like Frankenstein after squats.

**DONOTDELETE**
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08/21/14 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
36 miles on my feet this week. Running like Frankenstein after squats.

I know that feel. The worst is cycling in, squats at lunch, running home.

so I've just started slacking on all of it!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 08:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A couple of runs on the treadmill this week.

4 x 1200 meter intervals with each hard interval at better than 8:00/mile

5 mile tempo run wit miles 2-4 at 8:20/mile

The high temps this weekend are 100 and 98 so it looks like the treadmill will get a bit more work. Thank god for netflix.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 10:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What race are you training for Cheesy? Keep up the good work!


I'm pretty stoked to find out that the BAA has decided to increase the field size at Boston next year to 30k, up from the normal 24k. My chances of getting in just got better. Should know by September 15th.


bt0
(Post Master Sr)
08/22/14 11:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone have any advice on lighting to improve path visibility? Preferably something I wouldn't have to hold.

I don't care too much about being visible myself. Been doing lots of night running to avoid heat, and on trails with lots of roots and poor lighting things can get dicey


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Headlamp or waistlamp. Quite a few ranging from $20-$140. Budget?

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
What race are you training for Cheesy? Keep up the good work!

Thanks - and nice job to you on Leadville!

I am training for the Disney marathon in January. I am going to follow this program: http://www.runnersworld.com/race-training/less-more-marathon-plan?page=single and have about a month before I need to get on that schedule. But I'm doing the first few weeks of the training now just see how I respond to doing more speed work and less overall mileage compared to a more traditional plan like Hal Higdon. I did Hal Higdon two years ago for my first marathon and running on three consecutive days every week doesn't agree with my knees. Things just fell apart that last six weeks and I nursed a hamstring injury. We will see how this one works out for me.


bt0
(Post Master Sr)
08/22/14 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Be nice to find 2 for under $100. Probably go with a waist lamp. I'll look around

Mostly I want something that'll point down and illuminate the ground, without blinding other people.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 01:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The Petzl Tikka RXP is an amazing headlamp. Super brights, easily adjustable (both strap and the angle) and the battery lasted from 8:00pm to 5:00am with nonstop use.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/22/14 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
What race are you training for Cheesy? Keep up the good work!

Thanks - and nice job to you on Leadville!

I am training for the Disney marathon in January. I am going to follow this program: http://www.runnersworld.com/race-training/less-more-marathon-plan?page=single and have about a month before I need to get on that schedule. But I'm doing the first few weeks of the training now just see how I respond to doing more speed work and less overall mileage compared to a more traditional plan like Hal Higdon. I did Hal Higdon two years ago for my first marathon and running on three consecutive days every week doesn't agree with my knees. Things just fell apart that last six weeks and I nursed a hamstring injury. We will see how this one works out for me.


Thanks man.

That's good you're looking at alternatives. More than one way to skin a cat, ya know. It's always a fine line between adequate training and staying injury free.


bt0
(Post Master Sr)
08/22/14 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, saw a few things where Petzls were all highly recommended, will check em out

slackereg6
(Member)
08/25/14 09:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I got the Petzl Tikka RXP based on the recommendation on here and it does work very well. The only problem I had and this was probably me not aiming it right was while running behind someone on a dusty trail I could not see anything because it was reflecting off the kicked up dirt. I had to fall back some just so I could see. Later in the race when I was alone though it worked great.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/14 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
I got the Petzl Tikka RXP based on the recommendation on here and it does work very well. The only problem I had and this was probably me not aiming it right was while running behind someone on a dusty trail I could not see anything because it was reflecting off the kicked up dirt. I had to fall back some just so I could see. Later in the race when I was alone though it worked great.


That will be a problem with pretty much any headlamp. It's probably safer that you're moving a bit back from the guy in front of you anyways. \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/14 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Some guys run both a waistlamp and headlamp. They claim it's the equivalent of running foglights.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/14 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Me running a trail at night with headlamps:



**DONOTDELETE**
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08/25/14 12:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: slackereg6
I got the Petzl Tikka RXP based on the recommendation on here and it does work very well. The only problem I had and this was probably me not aiming it right was while running behind someone on a dusty trail I could not see anything because it was reflecting off the kicked up dirt. I had to fall back some just so I could see. Later in the race when I was alone though it worked great.


That will be a problem with pretty much any headlamp. It's probably safer that you're moving a bit back from the guy in front of you anyways. \:D


On one race we were going up this hill and next thing I know it's like it went dark... turns out we'd enter a cloud(fog, but cloud sounds cooler), headlamps do shit all in that kind of condition. Everyone was like checking their lamps because it was very sudden and disorienting.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/14 07:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Some guys run both a waistlamp and headlamp. They claim it's the equivalent of running foglights.


I had a second headlamp in my pack at Leadville to use on my waist, but never found that I needed it. My Tikka RXP lasted 9 hours on a single charge.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/14 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

6 mile run yesterday on the treadmill. Still keeping mileage low in preparation for the Spartan Race next month. Not sure if I'll enjoy it but was willing to try it out. I've been doing some strength-based circuit training at the gym which has really helped the endurance. Hoping it helps during the obstacles as well.

After that it's back to the longer mileage for a few half marathons and the LA Marathon next year. Goal is to break 4 hours.


SJP0tato
(Member)
08/26/14 07:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is my 6th week with my new routine: 2 speed days (tues/thurs), 1 recovery/slower run (wed), and 1 "long" run (sat). I'm averaging around 28-30 miles/week, shooting for a goal finish half marathon in Nov of 1:30 or less.

Dunno how realistic it is yet, my first ever half last Oct was uber slow, like 2:24. And my 2nd in March was 2:03. I hadn't set a goal other than "finish" and "finish a little faster" for either one, so I'm hoping this summer's training will pay off once it cools down.
For the speedwork I've been doing intervals for one of the days (.35 miles on, .2 miles recovery x 6 at my goal pace of ~6:35), and a tempo run (warup around 9:30, and keep bumping speed up to 6:30 and hold for 40 mins). It's still hot a balls here, so it can be pretty brutal outdoors sometimes with these. Everyone says it'll help to train hard now in the heat once it starts to cool down, so I'm hoping to see the benefits.

Boring stuff, but I'll update later in the year near the end of training or after the first half I do this fall/winter if I make it afterall. \:\)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
08/27/14 09:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 10 mile race this past weekend that I had also done in 2012. The difference is pretty stark.

The gist of it is this:
Official finish times per the race, not watch:
2014 time - 1:16:48
2012 time - 1:52:52

Average pace:
2014 - 7:48
2012 - 11:22

Here's links to Garmin for them:
2014
2012

Definitely really happy with these results, I don't even feel like I was in peak shape for the race either. Just onto week 4 now for training for a marathon with a goal of 4 hours, makes me feel good about that being possible.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/27/14 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man!

SJ: 1:30 is a great goal for a half. I hit 1:30:32 in my 3rd attempt at the distance. It's definitely doable, my only advice is to really try and nail those speed workouts and do lots of intervals at sub race pace. Mid 6's are quite fast so the body needs to know what that feels like!


silentfurymm
(Post Master Sr)
08/27/14 07:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still dealing with this calf thing. I think Im stressing on how to put my left foot down and that is causing me to strain a ligament in that calf. Trying to run without thinking about my feet and learning some new targeted stretches has helped. Last week I ran another 9 miles after the 5 mile race, and the leg was sore. So I took a couple days off and biked 14 miles on Monday, and then ran 3.5 miles yesterday. Calf felt fine during the run, and then today it very very sore. Ive been stretching all day and it feels way better, but if I sit for any length of time it gets sore again. Grr, shit is annoying. I just want to run!

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/14 08:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

77 miles on the bike and just over 20 on my feet this week (plus the 2k stairs from my race). I keep thinking one more day, then I'll take a rest.

My calves are still sore from that race and I'm bruised a bit from my wipeout, but hasn't affected the workouts much.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/14 10:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just wanted to report in that I still haven't done shit other than eat lots and lots of whatever I want since I crossed the finish line in Leadville. \:D


I think I'll hold off till the kids start school on wednesday. ;\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/14 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So Anton Krupicka is a monster and I love/hate his running philosophy.

Last year he ran UTMB for the first time and DNF'd from first place. Later he said something to the effect that "maybe I should've taken it a bit easier leading up to the race". He ran the 104 mile course in three days and surmised that taking four could have been more prudent.

In 2013 his last two weeks before the race looked like this:

8/12-8/18: 21h53m and 37,000' of vert
8/19-8/25: 16h06m and 32,750'

For a total of 37h59m and 69,750'

He's been focused on UTMB for the past year and this is his lead up over the same time period:

8/11-8/17: 18h45m and 35,500'
8/18-8/24: 19h34m and 40,300'

For a total of 38h19m and 75,800' (that's over 14 vertical miles in 14 days)

I love the guy for just getting so stoked on mountain running that he does stuff like this, but it's also frustrating watching him blow up at races and get injured for a year at a time because of it



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/14 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be rooting for him, but yeah...kinda expect him to blow up, lol.

I'll mostly be watching Rory though. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
08/29/14 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

I'll mostly be watching Rory though. \:D




Battle of the uber attractive ultra runners this year. Marjolein Bil passing through Les Contamines in 9th.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I realized that my next double digit race is only 8 weeks away. So Friday I went and grinded out 10 miles @ 1:25:06. Goal is to get under 8 min/mile by mid October. I think it's doable with some consistency.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick! I had a good long run last night after it cooled off/was stumbling in the dark. 8.5m @ 9:30 avg pace [goal pace was 10:00--10:30], first long run I've felt comfortable with in a looooong time. Until last night it has been feeling like I've gotten slower \:\|

got an int tri in 4 weeks, and a half in 5, followed by a swim meet in 6 weeks [signed up for 50m free, 100 IM, and 400m free]

so I really only have 3 more weeks of training, then a nice fat taper hehe. [tapering everything but the swimming which is... already basically tapered year round hehe]

On a sidenote: I seem to be running a lot better now that I just go on 'perceived effort, glance at pace once in a while', vs. looking at the HR monitor all the time. Less is more.

I'm kind of anticipating a blow-up in miles 10-13 or so of my upcoming half. Just figure I'd call it and get that out of the way. [I am hoping to go out around 8:45 pace and see what happens lolol--remember I started jogging in feb of this year and just crossed 300 miles YTD heh]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work man. I believe consistency is far more important than pace; at least the first time out.

Just found out Meb Keflezighi will be running in my pace group for the Las Vegas Half. Stoked!
http://runrocknroll.competitor.com/las-v..._content=suntaf


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1:45 eh? oh you special :D, I wonder if he runs half of it backwards and is stopping all the time, going back and forth and talking to everybody lol?

[I signed up probably optimistically for the 1:55 corral hehe]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's cool if you'll be there. If time permits I'll definitely look for ya!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/02/14 12:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

no I'm doing the San Jose rock-n-roll 1/2 on oct 5

I don't make it out to Vegas but for the tradeshows hehe


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/14 09:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Done a little running this week:

Sunday - 9 miles on the treadmill
Tuesday - 8 miles on the treadmill
Today - 5+ outside

This is probably the first week I have had in a while with over 20 miles. I'll do a long run this weekend and then similar mileage next week. I will follow that with a couple of light weeks before marathon training begins in earnest.


slackereg6
(Member)
09/04/14 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Meb is awesome would love to run in that group.

I might just stop training for the run I was going to do and attempt to run that pace.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/04/14 10:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

36 miles on the feet this week and less biking (40m) and one shorter stationary bike.

Going on vacation next week, so no weight and mostly walking. I'm hoping the rest will do me some good since I've been going fairly hard all summer without pretty much any rest days.


silentfurymm
(Post Master Sr)
09/04/14 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I figured out how to get through the pain. Basically it appears to be a huge knot on the inside of my calf, and if I push on it hard it goes down. Then stretch, then push and then it doesnt hurt. So I ran yesterday 6 miles, biked 10 miles today. Planning on running 5 miles tomorrow. Should be back on track.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/14 01:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I finally had to bring my glorious post-Leadvile age of recovery to an end this week. I mean, I was physically capable of running again the Thursday after the race, but I was enjoying laying around and eating everything in sight a bit too much. Nearly 3 weeks of no activity after 4 years of constant training and racing.

I'm at like 13 miles for the week and I'm pretty sore. \:D


Lividentity
(Major Member)
09/05/14 09:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This morning I signed up for my 2nd ultra, because I'm an idiot I guess. Signed up for the Cremator in July in South Carolina. This is a road ultra ran in the heat and pretty flat. I signed up for the double, so it will be 50 miles on Saturday and 50 miles on Sunday (there's even a triple to add 50 on Monday!).

Looking forward to it as I've been wanting to sign up for an ultra lately, but am picky and wanted to do a road ultra, which is the opposite of most of you guys here. But I figure the running in Florida will be good training for this ultra, as opposed to a mountain ultra on trails and 25k ft of elevation lol.

Also currently at week 5 of marathon training, so that's going well and enjoying it, December will be my 2nd marathon, keeping pace with my marathons and ultras I guess lol.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/14 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If by "most" you mean the 3-4 guys that dominate the discussion here, then I guess you'd be right.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/14 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and goal tonight is to run a sub-1:25 across 10 miles. *fingers crossed*

Lividentity
(Major Member)
09/05/14 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I mean as far as ultras are concerned more people do trails, more races are trails, and the guys here certainly do trail ultras.

I gotta figure out how to train for this double 50 miler as well. I might just do the Relentless Forward Progress for 40mile-100k training one and maybe make the Sunday runs slightly longer or something. Having 10 months to prepare will be good, lol.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/14 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am still shit scared about my 1/2 coming in 4 weeks :D, I hear there's a 2:00 pacer so I'll just try and stay in front. I am leaning towards trying not to kill myself

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/05/14 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


You're insane. that race sounds miserable on every level other than crossing the finish line. \:D
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
This morning I signed up for my 2nd ultra, because I'm an idiot I guess. Signed up for the Cremator in July in South Carolina. This is a road ultra ran in the heat and pretty flat. I signed up for the double, so it will be 50 miles on Saturday and 50 miles on Sunday (there's even a triple to add 50 on Monday!).

Looking forward to it as I've been wanting to sign up for an ultra lately, but am picky and wanted to do a road ultra, which is the opposite of most of you guys here. But I figure the running in Florida will be good training for this ultra, as opposed to a mountain ultra on trails and 25k ft of elevation lol.

Also currently at week 5 of marathon training, so that's going well and enjoying it, December will be my 2nd marathon, keeping pace with my marathons and ultras I guess lol.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
09/06/14 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

You're insane. that race sounds miserable on every level other than crossing the finish line. \:D
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
This morning I signed up for my 2nd ultra, because I'm an idiot I guess. Signed up for the Cremator in July in South Carolina. This is a road ultra ran in the heat and pretty flat. I signed up for the double, so it will be 50 miles on Saturday and 50 miles on Sunday (there's even a triple to add 50 on Monday!).

Looking forward to it as I've been wanting to sign up for an ultra lately, but am picky and wanted to do a road ultra, which is the opposite of most of you guys here. But I figure the running in Florida will be good training for this ultra, as opposed to a mountain ultra on trails and 25k ft of elevation lol.

Also currently at week 5 of marathon training, so that's going well and enjoying it, December will be my 2nd marathon, keeping pace with my marathons and ultras I guess lol.


Says Mister sub 30 Leadville. I'm not sure if that should make me more or less scared of it. :P At least I'll have an overnight break from running, though that probably only means day 2 I'll fall out of bed and have to crawl 50 miles lol.


Rumbelstiltskin
(Post Master Sr)
09/08/14 03:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For those that run in the sun. What kind of sunblock do you his use? I recently bought some face specific sunblock and I noticed after my run all of it ran down my face and collected on my neck and chest. Looks like I had a fuckin bukaki on me

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/08/14 07:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any waterproof sport sunscreen/block works fine for me.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
09/08/14 08:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've never run using sunblock. I use a sweatband under a hat and sunglasses, along with clothes, lol. But don't put anything on my legs/arms/face at all. Even running through the summer in FL I haven't used anything and never got sunburn.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/13/14 11:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got the dreaded email today... Spartan Race postponed due to extreme heat. Can't blame them though. The Spartan Sprint is an entry level race. And it was supposed to be 105* during our wave.

Waiting for new date. Hoping it doesn't overlap another race.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/14 06:52 PM
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CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
09/16/14 12:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ironmom, you da real MVP.

I want to start running again, but I cant heat. In a couple months, it's on.

I been doing the stairmaster at the gym and now I understand why chicks are on that thing all the time. I level of exertion is cray. I am pouring sweat after 10 minutes on that toture device.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/16/14 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boom.




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/16/14 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how high up would 9:34 get me?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/16/14 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Boom.




Whoa. /neo


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/16/14 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Boom.




Whoa. /neo


See what happens when you dont run 100's? Arent you jealous!!!
*crys himself to sleep*


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/24/14 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boom!


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
09/24/14 07:49 PM
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Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/14 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This was the first week of marathon training and I am already slacking.

Was supposed to do intervals on Tuesday. But was traveling and didn't feel like doing the treadmill for intervals. So I just went for a five plus mile run. It was in San Francisco so I partly made up for it by trying to run up a big fucking hill.

Was supposed to run three miles on Thursday but had a pretty full day including Disney on Ice. I didn't feel like running at ten at night and it was only three miles anyway so I blew it off.

Then today was out long run. 10 miles at 8:55/mile. Felt pretty good too except for the last mile or so where it was a good bit warmer than when I had started.

So far so good. I need to keep close tabs on my diet. Not because I want to lose weight but to make sure I am getting enough calories and nutrition to optimize my training. Wouldn't mind losing up to half a pound per week but no more than that.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/14 02:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Took two and a half off on vacation. Feel like shit. Ran 8 miles yesterday quite easily, so that's good. Strength is down a touch because Europe hasn't heard of protein.

Feel bloated as shit tooeven though we tried to eat well and walked forever daily. I'm sure the booze helped.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
09/28/14 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was supposed to run 17 today, made it 16.2, just was back at the house and had no motivation to do the last bit. I really gotta figure out my nutrition on these runs longer than a half-marathon. I can't figure out if I take too little water, like today I only took in probably 12oz, heh. But my stomach gets upset with too much it seems. I was good for 10 miles, 10-13 was a little slower but ok, then 13 on was probably half walk and half run.

This is the first run over 14 miles I've done all year, so it is to be expected to not be fun. I usually do long runs with Clif Bloks, which I like, my stomach isn't a real big fan of GU. Unfortunately I don't have one of those iron stomachs that can do whatever. In total today for my run I had a bagel prerun, 5/6th of a Clif Bloks pack and about 12 oz of Propel. So, yeah, that didn't work out. I want to try to eat more, not sure if I should just do a bunch of Clif Bloks or perhaps some real food with it. This is marathon training week 8 of 18 done so have a bit to figure it out.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/14 09:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Personally I wouldn't be messing with anything more than water for runs up to 2.5 hours or so. A decent meal a few hours before, but other than that it's just not needed and probably causes more harm than good. Throw a couple jolly ranchers in your pocket if you want to get a little bit of a sugar boost in the latter miles.

Cheesegoggles: nice job man. Don't beat yourself up over a couple days missed here and there. A 3 mile run in a marathon plan are mostly junk/recovery miles anyways and they won't have a negative impact on your goal.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/28/14 09:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As for me, I'm feeling pretty good about a slow and steady buildup after my full month off.
22
28
39
and 45 this week. Good mix of trails and road and I feel like I'm getting some speed back too. Goal is to build back up to a 60 mile week for the Bootlegger 50k in Vegas on November 7th and 75 mile week before the North Face 50 miler in SF on December 6th.

After that it'll be Way Too Cool 50k (my third year in a row) in March and Boston in April.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/29/14 12:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm thinking cheese goggles is back to being faster than me again. Fuck lol (and good job man)

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/14 04:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck me, I just got worked.
I went out for a lunch run and didnt think it would be that hot so didnt bring any water.
Ended up doing a 3 mile warm up, 6x800 and 2.5 mile cool down, I havent been that thirsty in a while.
oh and my splits...2:53, 2:50, 2:52, 2:55, 2:49, 2:52.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/14 04:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

God damned heat wave.

**DONOTDELETE**
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10/01/14 04:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ha, finally not 90 here!! I'm loving this 70s shit!

SJP0tato
(Member)
10/01/14 10:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Previous post 1+ month ago:
 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
This is my 6th week with my new routine: 2 speed days (tues/thurs), 1 recovery/slower run (wed), and 1 "long" run (sat).


A few weeks ago I added in another easy day on Monday, and starting this week am going to add another easy day on Friday (7 weeks until the half-marathon, I'm planning on a ~1 week taper).

So roughly: M-easy(10K), T-speedwork (~5mi), W-easy (10K), Th-speed(~6mi), F-easy(10K), S-long(~14mi, about 2-hrs)

I wanted to ask opinions on what I should focus on for speed work:
For awhile I've been doing 1 day of Fartleks (random speeds/distances under 7:00 pace), and the 2nd speedwork a treadmill tempo run (start around 9:00 pace, work down to 6:30 by 1.5 miles and hold for 6 miles). Should I mix it up a little bit and switch to intervals for one/both of these? Or does this seem like a good plan to finish out my training the next couple months?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/14 01:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was given a tip by a 2:20 marathoner that 2 mile repeats at lower than race pace work well for marathons. I did them and am convinced they're what made get my BQ. No reason they wouldn't work for a half.

I like the idea of the body getting used to and comfortable with running faster than race pace.


SJP0tato
(Member)
10/02/14 08:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I was given a tip by a 2:20 marathoner that 2 mile repeats at lower than race pace work well for marathons. I did them and am convinced they're what made get my BQ. No reason they wouldn't work for a half.

I like the idea of the body getting used to and comfortable with running faster than race pace.


That's a good tip, thanks!

I feel like my base endurance is pretty solid, I have no problems holding an 8:30-ish pace for ~14 miles. It's the speed that seems to kill me still. I think/hope I just need to get used to the additional pain that the faster pace brings, and not get psyched out by it mostly. I guess that's the main difference between a "fun run" vs a "race". \:\)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/02/14 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I agree - I've been training above my goal pace for at least 1-2 runs a week. And I am seeing solid results.

I think the key is tricking the body late in the run to go fast(er), when the mental/physical fatigue kicks in. For me, these are my "short" runs between 3-6 miles.

I know everyone is different but I think we all agree that the more often we flirt with our limits, the quicker our bodies adapt.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/14 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll also add that I'm finally adding interval/speedwork training using a smiliar formula to what's linked below.

Like many, I'm limited to the treadmill 4-5 days a week. Keep y'all posted on how things go...



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/14 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my mind is bottled when mph [instead of pace/mile] is referenced

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/14 01:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Speed is pretty arbitrary. My focus is more on warm-up and rest times between intervals.

Also, because not all treadmills have pace/mi readouts.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/14 10:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Week 2 down

4x1200 intervals on the treadmill on Tuesday
5 mile tempo run on the treadmill on Thursday
12 mile long run outside at 9:04/mile

I felt some hamstring discomfort when I started walking at the end - the same problem that limited me last time I trained for a full. Going to get on top of cross-training and stretching to see if I can't avoid problems with it this time around.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/14 12:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Nice job man. Cross-training (weights) made a big difference for me as well. Do you think your cramping might be tied to your sodium levels?



Resumed my longer runs after being absent for 4 weeks. Time suffered a bit; 10 miles @ 85:32. I don't think I'll hit my stretch goal of an 8 min/mile pace by end of October. But hoping to keep things consistent enough for a PR.

3 weeks until the next race.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/14 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I hired a coach. Theres a local guy who has been tearing it up on Strava, one of his posts he mentioned he had some coaching openings.
I emailed him back and forth and really liked his attitude and philosophy.
He is also the 2012 USA Track & Field 10K trail champion and just raced in Italy at some trail world championships.
Anyway, I just started last friday on his plan. He stresses speed, but not necessarily specific speed workouts. You will do say 40 minutes with some hill strides thrown in at the end.
On saturday he wanted me to do 2+ hours with 6 x 60 second hill strides at the end.
I did about 13 miles with almost 4k of vert, I was out of water and hot and was thinking of every reason not to do those strides at the end. I ended up running them on a 12% grade and swore every one would be my last, but knocked out all 6. They fucking destroyed me.
Anyway, I'm pretty stoked about new workouts and having someone push me a little harder.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/14 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Guess I'll just have to stick to racing at altitude to stay anywhere near competitive with you, ya bastard!

Last week ended up being very light with 3 days off, so my plan was to do a tough run up Mt. Wilson. Figured pretty early on that it wasn't going to happen though. Fucking 90 degrees and mostly exposed I turned around at the halfway point....almost 3k feet in 3.5 miles. 7.5 miles total felt like more than enough for today.

Gotta ramp it up the next 3 weeks though. Bootlegger 50k in 4 weeks.


silentfurymm
(Post Master Sr)
10/12/14 11:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And done. Not as fast as I wanted, but finished. Was feeling great at mile 9, then it started going back up and just killed me. Legs hurt bad.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/14 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Week 3

6x800 intervals on Tuesday
7 mile tempo run on Friday (day late due to traveling)
13.1 mile long run today

So last week I did my long run in the morning at 9:05/mile after leaving the house pretty much right after I got up. Had a quick breakfast, no coffee, grabbed some Clif Blocks, and went right at it. This is a little different from the normal long run routine in that I like to eat a good 90 minutes or so prior to the run, have some coffee, etc. And I felt a little taxed later in the run not to mention having to take a dump at the visitor's center in the park about halfway through.

So this week I thought I would get up earlier, have a good breakfast and my coffee, clean out the bowels, and generally just do everything right in anticipation of doing my long run today comfortably at 9:00 to 9:10/mile.

It didn't matter though. I only had to run about ten yards when I knew this wasn't going to be the best day. My legs were just heavy and sluggish. Probably my shitty diet for the last few days. Did 13.1 at 9:35/mile.

Two good things though:

1. I was not taxed cardiovascularly at all. Not once. Could have run all day from that perspective.

2. My best mile by a good margin was my last one at 8:47. So I finished with gas in the tank.

It was just one of those days where I felt like I was running with ankle weights on for the most part.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/14 03:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: silentfurymm
And done. Not as fast as I wanted, but finished. Was feeling great at mile 9, then it started going back up and just killed me. Legs hurt bad.


Congrats man!!!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys. Solid results.

Got sick this week but managed to squeeze out another 10 on Friday @ 88:49. I've been averaging around 20-25/week in preparation for a 10 miler in two weeks, followed by the Vegas Half Marathon in mid-November.

Interestingly enough, I'm finding as the kids get older it's getting MUCH harder to work in the training miles. Going to re-evaluate my schedule after Vegas and see if I can tweak the days around.


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/13/14 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dear feet,

I can not figure out your problem.
When I do the following:
Randomly run a 1/2
run 15 miles in a week
continually do 10 mile weeks
You're happy

The minute I cross 23 miles over 2 weeks, even if built up to. You explode in pain every morning for the following week.
So kindly go fuck yourselves feet.

signed,
this runner(who's wonder if he needs to give up running).


CN: after finally crossing the 10 miles threshold for 2 consecutive weeks, I did an lower week of 9 miles. Now my plantar hurts. FUCK!!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 02:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Have you looked at your shoes? Maybe you need more/less support? More cushioning?

**DONOTDELETE**
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10/13/14 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

60 miles into these shoes.

I wondering if my lacksidasical approach to stretching is contributing.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Quite a hot topic as to whether stretching actually helps. I find it does, both before and after (combined with range of motion exercises).

**DONOTDELETE**
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10/13/14 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Quite a hot topic as to whether stretching actually helps. I find it does, both before and after (combined with range of motion exercises).

Well the evidence for plantar Fasciitis is it does generally help


Though in my searching I did find this new information based on a new study..
This is news to me though, 3 month recovery vs 9 month.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/heel-pain-treatment/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 03:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sorry to hear man \:\(

wish you the best. I think you need to change something up a little? Perhaps something you are doing is aggravating it/causing the pain?

I do see some 'somewhat fast' aka ~7:00/mi paces from you crop up then you're back on here complaining about your feet.... what if you stick to 9:00/+, aka my speed? \:D


slackereg6
(Member)
10/13/14 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This thread always makes me feel slow.

Had to take a few weeks of due to being sick and this was the first week back. 32 miles including an 8 mile run at goal race pace. Ended the week with a 14 mile at 10min/mile pace. Hope the long ones get better as the temps drop out of the 80's.


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/13/14 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
sorry to hear man \:\(

wish you the best. I think you need to change something up a little? Perhaps something you are doing is aggravating it/causing the pain?

I do see some 'somewhat fast' aka ~7:00/mi paces from you crop up then you're back on here complaining about your feet.... what if you stick to 9:00/+, aka my speed? \:D

I had a similar thought for a while. but the only speed work I'd done was mild (7 pace) 1/4 milers a week before I "went down". I then had 4 days off before a 9/min pace day.

I've tried to slow it down. I did end up running a little faster than I mean last week (9 & 8:3), while I meant to run be closer to 10.
I've tried to work on slowing down, it seems like I just fall into a 9/pace easily. Idk.

I probably didn't need the speed work 2 weeks ago, but I was a bit bored. I was trying to get 12 miles of base before adding any real speed work. But it seems like I hit a wall around the 2nd week of 12.

Now it could be that the cycling is taxing me a bit so when I run I'm on tired legs and therefore running sloppy?
I know my quads were sore going into thursday.

Well back to the drawing board.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had the same problem with my swim [from biking] and always carefully segmented running days away from either...

/got nothing

//still slow

///and fat


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think Stickaz is onto something. Maybe swap around the run/bike so you can divert your mental focus to technique. See if things get better (in addition to stretching).

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 04:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

like my somewhat-arbitrary schedule is:
Sat: surf [aka rest]
Sun: surf + long run
Mon: swim [no bike!]
Tues: Bike commute + lift
wed: swim [no bike!] +lift
th: Bike commute + speed/tempo work [usually skip/lol]
F: Bike commute + brick [3-4 miles]


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10/13/14 04:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Problem is most my running and all my cycling is commuting
somedays I'll cycle both ways
Some days I'll run one way and cycle the other,
some days I'll run one and transit the other.

Depends on my gear/weather, so it's trick to "separate" them. I mean I try to not do doubles on run days. It's only 4-5 miles, but I have this problem of hating going slow on bike(even if I never go "fast")


I had my flu shot, so I assumed the muscle soreness was that. But now I'm wondering if it's from me still getting used to cycling now that I'm back at work full-time.


Oh and fwiw, I've dropped weights from my schedule due to time constraints.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
60 miles into these shoes.

I wondering if my lacksidasical approach to stretching is contributing.




I never stretch...never have either.


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10/13/14 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
60 miles into these shoes.

I wondering if my lacksidasical approach to stretching is contributing.




I never stretch...never have either.

You're a freak

my hamstrings are like rubber bands if I don't stretch. I've got wacky body alignment issues. Stretching the posterior chain is helpful(at least when I'm doing lifting).


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10/13/14 04:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
like my somewhat-arbitrary schedule is:
Sat: surf [aka rest]
Sun: surf + long run
Mon: swim [no bike!]
Tues: Bike commute + lift
wed: swim [no bike!] +lift
th: Bike commute + speed/tempo work [usually skip/lol]
F: Bike commute + brick [3-4 miles]


S: off
M bike
t: bike/run
W bike
th bike/run
f bike(or off)
s. run (or off)

Pretty light schedule. I'm averaging 30 miles cycling/10/11 running right now


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

Oh and fwiw, I've dropped weights from my schedule due to time constraints.


Maybe consider working in some basics (i.e. deadlifts and back squats) to maintain core. I've found it's been helping tremendously in my recovery.


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10/13/14 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

Oh and fwiw, I've dropped weights from my schedule due to time constraints.


Maybe consider working in some basics (i.e. deadlifts and back squats) to maintain core. I've found it's been helping tremendously in my recovery.


I was actually finding those tended to aggravate my plantar. Though I was doing about 1.25bw on squats.

I was debating about lifting tonight just feel better since I'm off my feet for at least a bit longer.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 05:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, I think you mentioned visiting with a PT about the issue, yes? If not, that's probably the first thing I'd suggest.

**DONOTDELETE**
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10/13/14 06:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah, seen a few GPs but this was all years ago. I'm HMO, so I need start with GP.
Not like they'll do much diagnostics, but at least have them confirm diagnosis.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/14 07:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

HMO? Sounds like you might just want to rig up a home amputation kit and save the office visit(s) \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/14 11:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I ran my favorite race on saturday, my 3rd time doing it.
Its a 50 k that starts in the santa cruz mountains and ends down by the ocean.
I ran it pretty smart I felt and was able to get a PR on a pretty tough loop that you do in the middle of the course.
The last 6 miles I was battling some really bad side stitches so that slowed me down a bit, but overall not bad.
Ended up finishing in 4:33 in 9th place out of 160 or so.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/14 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus, that 20 minutes slower than my best marathon time.

Nicely done dude.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/14 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally back in the sub-8's. Yesterday I cranked out a brief 6 miles @ 47:38 before I had to go back and pick up the kids. Legs and back feel strong today.

Going to probably do 10-12 miles this Saturday, another speed session, then probably ease back in preparation for next week's 10 miler.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/14 10:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping this thread alive. Cranked out 11.2 miles @ 94:48. I'll provide an update once I finish HB next Sunday. Woot!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick \:D
I had a mini-mileage breakthrough myself this week. Although my LSR (long/slow run] yesterday SUCKED [was getting hot, I wasnt feeling it, had to stop 2x], I did ~17 miles last week and am NOT particularly sore this week and getting out of bed in the morning wasnt really terribly sore. [normally I'd hobble to the bathroom /old]


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last week was a step back week

Tuesday - intervals (I think it was 3x1600)
Thursday - three mile tempo run
Saturday - 10 mile long run at 9:05 or so per mile

Am scheduled to do 10 x 400 intervals tomorrow. That is going to hurt.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

seems like you're going too fast on your long runs? /alsojealous

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 02:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did a 6x600 one hungover day - that shit was fun.

My running is a bit down because Hockey started and I'm biking a bit more with nice weather, but my toenail looks to be falling off and my nips are chaffed, so I'm clearly hardcore.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 06:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I had a mini-mileage breakthrough myself this week. Although my LSR (long/slow run] yesterday SUCKED [was getting hot, I wasnt feeling it, had to stop 2x], I did ~17 miles last week and am NOT particularly sore this week and getting out of bed in the morning wasnt really terribly sore. [normally I'd hobble to the bathroom /old]


 Originally Posted By: zakcits
seems like you're going too fast on your long runs? /alsojealous


Maybe. We're supposed to flirt with our limits, but I do think the body can only take so much at once. Experienced runners with several years experience seem to struggle less and have hardened to a rigorous, semi-ongoing schedule. I've been running 5+ years now. But only 21 months on anything longer than 3 miles. I rarely surpass 100 mi/mo unless training for the marathon. I don't think I'm there yet lol.

Hence, I've been limiting my speedwork to one day a week. I'm keeping my longer runs to within 90% of race pace, in order to maximize recovery before the following week's interval/tempo run. That, combined with mild strength training, seems to be helping tremendously as the longer runs build mileage. Some mild aches (especially after back-to-back marathons) but no serious injuries.

I say do whatever works.


BTW, sounds like you're responding well to frequency.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

One more thing I'll add. Y'all probably remember me complaining of mild IT-band soreness over the months. Well, I backed out of an "advanced" half marathon training program because some of my peers thought I might be risking too much too soon.

They suggested doing the intermediate program, evaluating how I feel, then switching back to the advanced program after a few months of regularity. See if things improve. Below are the schedules I've been doing.


Current:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51132/Half-Marathon-Intermediate-Training-Program

Previous:
http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51133/Half-Marathon-Advanced-Training-Program


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 07:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
seems like you're going too fast on your long runs? /alsojealous

Probably. I don't have the patience to hold back and turn a two hour run into a 2.5 hour run. I just want to get done.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/14 11:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm a firm believer in lots of miles at race pace...especially once you have a decent base. Only way to run 26 miles at X:XX pace is to do lots of running at that same pace.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/21/14 08:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The past 2 weekends have been good for my long runs. I am not good at nutrition while running, don't have that iron stomach like some do. I did 9/19 (Sat/Sun mileage) 2 weekends ago and this weekend was 10/21. On my long runs I've been eating a pumpkin bagel beforehand and then taking 2 of the Clif Bloks every 3 miles. Seems to be working really well. Sunday was awesome, did 21 miles in 3:35, which is just over a minute slower than what my race pace is. I actually do a 7 mile loop by my house, so I stopped at my house at miles 7 and 14, mile 7 was for maybe 2 minutes and then at mile 14 was for 10 or so minutes (damn being on call for work had to do some stuff quick). Besides those breaks I ran the whole thing and felt good.

Yesterday morning I did a 4 mile run and decided to see how hard I could run the day after a long effort like that, because I felt good. Ended up doing those 4 miles at 8:35, 7:29, 7:26 and 7:03. Was awesome and felt good and still feel good from it. I really feel like I've taken a step forward on the long run nutrition and looking forward to marathon in December!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I find the harder I push myself the less of an iron stomach I have.

Nice work!!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 02:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm a firm believer in lots of miles at race pace...especially once you have a decent base. Only way to run 26 miles at X:XX pace is to do lots of running at that same pace.

There may be people who are fit and/or elite enough that all that long slow stuff helps. But for someone like me who does this recreationally, I don't see how running a bunch of 9:45/mile long runs would help me knock out a 9:15/mile marathon. I run my long runs I can finish standing up but not taking it easy. My pace will likely drop some as they get longer just to make sure I have the gas for the extra miles.

I think speed work is helping me quite a bit though. The hard short runs are making the long runs feel easier. And my capacity to recover from a hard effort is getting better which will help with the one highway overpass at the marathon


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 03:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 03:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't think anyone is telling you to run slower. Rather, just listen to what your body is telling you. I know you know this; just clarifying my position for anyone else following this thread.

Not sure what your time goal is, but it sounds like your schedule will get you to 4 hour territory no problem.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Even better are long runs at just a hair slower than race pace, but with the last few miles being sub-race pace. They hurt, but they pay off big.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related


I think most training plans are geared towards building endurance of the casual runner; to maximize benefits and minimize risk of injury. I absolutely agree that the more often we can run at or above our race pace, the better. Just not always the easiest way to build up reliably.

For first time runners, or those with previous injuries, I think an all-out approach is far too risky. But my opinion is from a relatively novice point of view (compared to others participating here).


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10/21/14 04:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related


I think most training plans are geared towards building endurance of the casual runner; to maximize benefits and minimize risk of injury. I absolutely agree that the more often we can run at or above our race pace, the better. Just not always the easiest way to build up reliably.

For first time runners, or those with previous injuries, I think an all-out approach is far too risky. But my opinion is from a relatively novice point of view (compared to others participating here).


Yeah, I can't critisize Chris's methods, because they've clearly worked for him. Much better than my methods have for me.

But what my mind/lungs are capable, aren't always what my total body is capable of.

Pace runs are critical, but most programs don't have you running near your goal race at your goal pace. Because most people will be fatigued. If you're truly giving your 100% to reach a pace/distance, you'll need a recovery.

So turning your Long Runs into Pace runs seems like a recepe for Most people to see injuries.

I'd say everything I've seen says elite runners would be at even higher risk of over-training if they just went out and did say 50% of their miles at race pace/effort. Not training at maximum isn't just for us mortals/couch potatoes...


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 05:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just a personal note here: I really should shut up lol I have no idea what I am talking about and am only parroting whatever I read in the hal higdon intermediate 1/2 marathon no0b training guide \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 05:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

here is a glimpse at what my coach has me doing, one thing I can tell you is my runs are not boring and I'm enjoying running more than I have in a long time.
This is a very low mile schedule right now while we work on building strength and economy. I like that every run has some component of strength or speed building in it, even though its not necessarily focused on that.

Monday - rest and recovery
Tuesday - 50 min easy run plus 6 x 60 meter hill strides
Wednesday - Compilation mile! This will be rare, but fun in a weird way. 15 min warm-up plus 2 x 200 hard strides to loosen up. Then we will do 4 x 1/4 mile with 3 min jog recovery. The idea is that we add up the quarters to get a mile time, which we will use to compare where you are now with where you are in a few months. This is surprisingly difficult. Finish with a 20 min easy jog cool-down. PM: easy 20-30 min jog if possible (no worries if not)
Thursday - 90 min easy and relaxed, pushing uphills moderately after 20 min
Friday - rest or 4 miles slow and easy (emphasis on slow, keep the turnover high though)
Saturday - 20 min warm-up, 10 x 90 second hills moderate, 20 min cool-down
Sunday - 3 hours on the day. You can split this into 2 runs if desired. The only requirement is that in the last hour, you do 6 x 90 second hills moderate. Dipsea sim on tired legs...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 06:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related


I think most training plans are geared towards building endurance of the casual runner; to maximize benefits and minimize risk of injury. I absolutely agree that the more often we can run at or above our race pace, the better. Just not always the easiest way to build up reliably.

For first time runners, or those with previous injuries, I think an all-out approach is far too risky. But my opinion is from a relatively novice point of view (compared to others participating here).


Yeah, I can't critisize Chris's methods, because they've clearly worked for him. Much better than my methods have for me.

But what my mind/lungs are capable, aren't always what my total body is capable of.

Pace runs are critical, but most programs don't have you running near your goal race at your goal pace. Because most people will be fatigued. If you're truly giving your 100% to reach a pace/distance, you'll need a recovery.

So turning your Long Runs into Pace runs seems like a recepe for Most people to see injuries.

I'd say everything I've seen says elite runners would be at even higher risk of over-training if they just went out and did say 50% of their miles at race pace/effort. Not training at maximum isn't just for us mortals/couch potatoes...



Well I did preface it with "if you have a decent base." \:D

If you're just trying to cover the distsnce, then long slow runs at whatever pace are fine. If you're actually looking to run it hard/fast/PR/whatever and you have a good base, then IMO those long slow runs are overrated. Run the first part slow if you want, but you should be pushing some of those last miles at an uncomfortable pace. This will teach your body to handle the stresses it's going to face in the latter 1/4 of a marathon. It's really what made for a "breakthrough" moment for me. Two previous standalone marathons (and 4 Ironman runs) where I blew up at miles 18-20...all of which I trained with LSR's usually a minute to 90 seconds slower than race pace. For my BQ I focused on lots of race-pace miles and at mile 20 I was able to feel as strong as I did at the start. The only thing that slowed me down was a headwind.

As I've always said, Im just relating what has worked for me over the last 4 years. Despite what you guys think, I'm far from a naturally gifted runner....I just train hard (and sometimes smart) and have been able to figure it out as I go.

Oh, and I agree with Cheese: I HATE for my runs to take more than 2 hours (unless I'm in the mountains) so the sooner I get done the better. \:D


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 06:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related


I think most training plans are geared towards building endurance of the casual runner; to maximize benefits and minimize risk of injury. I absolutely agree that the more often we can run at or above our race pace, the better. Just not always the easiest way to build up reliably.

For first time runners, or those with previous injuries, I think an all-out approach is far too risky. But my opinion is from a relatively novice point of view (compared to others participating here).

I just know that as a beginner/newb I really could not predict a race pace for my first marathon. I could cite a goal pace but the two are not necessarily one in the same. So Hal Higdon telling me to run slower than my race pace didn't make a whole lot of sense to me since I really didn't know what my body was capable of over that distance.

Now I'm training for my second and I think my goal pace and a realistic race pace are more closely aligned than before provided I don't get hurt again.

But I have never felt like I'm going all out on my long runs. And I don't think I'm capable of going all out in a marathon. I'm not even sure what that would mean for me. Running at or just short of lactate threshold the whole time? I'm still learning to strike the balance between getting the best time I'm capable of while not running out of gas before the end.

Anyways, I think my long runs will hopefully be at "race pace" which for me is finish standing up and hopefully run the whole thing without hurting myself, but definitely challenging myself some too.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh I didn't know it was long-slow vs 'race pace' vs 'tempo' vs 'speed work', but I guess I'm wrong. Thought they worked together/additive. Anyways I like running slow hehe. I am also quite slow. Probably related


I think most training plans are geared towards building endurance of the casual runner; to maximize benefits and minimize risk of injury. I absolutely agree that the more often we can run at or above our race pace, the better. Just not always the easiest way to build up reliably.

For first time runners, or those with previous injuries, I think an all-out approach is far too risky. But my opinion is from a relatively novice point of view (compared to others participating here).

I just know that as a beginner/newb I really could not predict a race pace for my first marathon. I could cite a goal pace but the two are not necessarily one in the same. So Hal Higdon telling me to run slower than my race pace didn't make a whole lot of sense to me since I really didn't know what my body was capable of over that distance.

Now I'm training for my second and I think my goal pace and a realistic race pace are more closely aligned than before provided I don't get hurt again.

But I have never felt like I'm going all out on my long runs. And I don't think I'm capable of going all out in a marathon. I'm not even sure what that would mean for me. Running at or just short of lactate threshold the whole time? I'm still learning to strike the balance between getting the best time I'm capable of while not running out of gas before the end.

Anyways, I think my long runs will hopefully be at "race pace" which for me is finish standing up and hopefully run the whole thing without hurting myself, but definitely challenging myself some too.


"Racing" a marathon is one cruel bitch. You're basically running just under redline and on the ragged edge for all 26 miles. It requires lots of focus to maintain that pace.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/21/14 07:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Many seasoned runners like to suggest 1 min/mi slower than your best half marathon time (depending on how many or recently you've run).

When training for LA, I started with a goal of finishing @ 10 min/mi based on when I had started my training (had just completed LB Half @ 1:58 prior to starting). That approach worked very well. However, taking that approach and then trying to do a sub-4 hour marathon 8 weeks later... I had to slow down by mile 16.

In reality, if you're feeling like you got some spark in the tank the last few miles of a long training run, and your body feels strong, maybe kick it up a notch and see how you feel the next couple days. Like Chris, those have lead to quite a few breakthrough moments for me. But I've been VERY careful not to overdo it.


DalM3
(Sr Member)
10/22/14 01:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Many seasoned runners like to suggest 1 min/mi slower than your best half marathon time (depending on how many or recently you've run).

When training for LA, I started with a goal of finishing @ 10 min/mi based on when I had started my training (had just completed LB Half @ 1:58 prior to starting). That approach worked very well. However, taking that approach and then trying to do a sub-4 hour marathon 8 weeks later... I had to slow down by mile 16.


Similar story here, I ran my first injury free 1/2 @ 1:55. I thought that meant I could do my first full under 4, complete failure. Died at mile 17ish, finished it though. I'm about to attempt round #2, so far training appears to be on track, albeit not gunning for sub 4.

My long slow runs are a gamble. I've attempted several @ 10:45 pace only to feel like shit. I did 16 this past weekend without pacing my splits, knocked it off @ 10:15. I felt a little better afterwards than previous LSR's. I'm going to try something next weekend, maybe run every 3rd or 4th mile at 10k pace during my LSR.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping things going here.

Scored another personal best in speed training this week; 6 miles @ 47:09 (7:52/mi). Feeling strong and ready for Surf City 10 this Sunday.

Going to try and stick with the 10mi/80:00 pace group for as long as possible. If things go well, I might have a shot and a sub-1:45 in the Vegas half marathon in 3 weeks.

*fingers crossed*


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Two runs so far this week:

10x400 at the track on Tuesday morning. All of my intervals except a couple were between 7:00 and 7:30/mile (the first was faster and two were 7:36). A better pace than when I did 7x400 a couple of months ago. Probably both due to fitness and cooler temps.

5 mile tempo run today at about 8:18/mile.

Those are both at a pretty good clip for me.


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/23/14 02:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Keeping things going here.

Scored another personal best in speed training this week; 6 miles @ 47:09 (7:52/mi). Feeling strong and ready for Surf City 10 this Sunday.

Going to try and stick with the 10mi/80:00 pace group for as long as possible. If things go well, I might have a shot and a sub-1:45 in the Vegas half marathon in 3 weeks.

*fingers crossed*

Once I get my feet figured out, we should strava.

Seems like you're reasonably close to those paces. But I think you'll want to get that 10km(almost) sub 7:45.

Though does it make sense to do a hard 6 miler that close to your 10 miler?
Or is the 10 mile incidental on the path of the 1:45 1/2.


I'm intrigued to see how the 10 goes. What's your weekly milage?


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fast people problems \:\|

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Design
Keeping things going here.

Scored another personal best in speed training this week; 6 miles @ 47:09 (7:52/mi). Feeling strong and ready for Surf City 10 this Sunday.

Going to try and stick with the 10mi/80:00 pace group for as long as possible. If things go well, I might have a shot and a sub-1:45 in the Vegas half marathon in 3 weeks.

*fingers crossed*

Once I get my feet figured out, we should strava.

Seems like you're reasonably close to those paces. But I think you'll want to get that 10km(almost) sub 7:45.

Though does it make sense to do a hard 6 miler that close to your 10 miler?
Or is the 10 mile incidental on the path of the 1:45 1/2.


I'm intrigued to see how the 10 goes. What's your weekly milage?


Right now about 20-25. That's all the time I can dedicate at the moment with my crazy schedule. \:\(

You're right in that the 10 miler is a training run for me. I've run this pace/distance once before prior to the OC Marathon. But weekly mileage back then was closer to 25-30.

I'm on Runkeeper and have been thinking about Strava. Seems a lot of y'all use it.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work fellas...I love seeing the training progress and the speeds go up.

I've been steadily plugging away. Haven't got my mileage up to where it was pre-Leadville...been hovering around 40 miles a week.

Have got three 9-10 milers in this week on the trails and my shin is slowly getting better (haven't eased off at all really.) Have a weekend camp trip with the scouts starting Friday up at Pt Mugu so I'm hoping to get a few good runs in on the Ray Miller trail.


SJP0tato
(Member)
10/23/14 08:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm about a month out from my Half, PR target of 1:30. One of my speedwork days I've been taking Ironmom's advice and doing 2x3200 repeats at/slightly faster than race pace.

The first week was tough, last week was a little better, and this week it feels like I had enough left over to do another repeat at goal pace. Not sure how much taper I'm going to do before the race, maybe 1.5 weeks or so. I'm averaging 35-40mpw the past ~8 weeks, and 30-35mpw for a few months prior to this.

I'm feeling mostly confident a 1:30 is possible with my training plan and how I've been feeling (compared to my previous Half PR 2:03 7+ months ago). It's been in the mid 60's when I run lately, I'm hoping it'll be 10-15 degrees cooler next month for my attempt which would correspond to a slightly lower average heart rate.

From yesterday, splits 2-3, and 5-6 are the interval:
 Code:
Splits	Time			Dist			AvePace		BstPace	AveHR	MaxHR	Cadence		stride
1	8:54.2	8:54.2	8:54	0.96	3	3	9:14	9:14	8:10	147	168	170	176	1.03	41
2	6:46.7	15:41	6:47	1.00	3	3	6:47	6:47	6:12	169	175	180	184	1.32	93
3	6:24.0	22:05	6:23	0.96	3	3	6:40	6:39	5:52	177	181	180	182	1.34	92
4	3:19.8	25:25	3:20	0.36	--	3	9:12	9:13	6:26	157	179	164	180	1.07	40
5	6:42.3	32:07	6:43	0.99	3	3	6:46	6:46	6:07	175	180	180	186	1.32	95
6	6:32.7	38:40	6:32	0.97	3	3	6:45	6:44	5:55	179	183	186	186	1.28	94
7	5:02.3	43:42	5:03	0.60	3	--	8:23	8:24	6:10	168	183	174	184	1.10	67
Summary	43:42	43:42	43:42	5.85	20	20	7:28	7:28	5:52	167	183	176	186	1.22	522


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 08:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

God damn, dropping 30++ minutes in 7 months

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/23/14 09:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sandbagger.

SJP0tato
(Member)
10/23/14 11:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Sandbagger.


haha, I'm not even going to mention what my 1st half time was almost exactly a year ago.

I started running for the first time ever last year (in my mid 30's) when a co-worker mentioned being bored during his long runs, and being willing to give advice when asked. I'd never tried running, so I viewed it as a personal challenge.

Things built up slowly for a long while, stalled over the winter, then I started considering the 1:30 mark about 3-4 months ago. \:\)


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/24/14 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Sandbagger.

No shit!

Sounds like he went for a stoll on the first one.

Either way, 90 minute half is quick.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/14 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I used to be about long repeats but am thinking short super hard efforts work better for me.
Doing lots of 60 second hill repeats and 100m strides...supposed to do 10x90 second hills tomorrow.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/14 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work guys. FAST!!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/14 04:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

...and more good news. Got picked up for the LA Marathon courtesy of my friend at Asics. Still have to confirm the spot but was told it looks goood.

Looks like I get to kick up the mileage after Vegas.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/14 05:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you're an animal

I...uh.... signed up for a 1500m free in Jan [to build a 'recent swim resume'] so that the alcatraz-out-n-back group will [hopefully] accept me. Got to go under 25 minutes lol or I get nothing. Apparently they really aren't into boat-rescues.

60 flip turns lol. I think I'm going to get a waterproof nano and put 'Sail' on repeat \:D

this means I'm going to pick up a 3rd swim day a week. My running 'progress' slips further and further away...


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/14 11:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did my usual loop today a bit more briskly than I usually do.

3.28 miles/30:02/9:09 pace

Not fast compared to you maniacs, but compared to my usual 9:30-10:15 pace, pretty quick. I was pressed for time squeezing that run in before friends came over to go out to dinner. They were here when I got back, doe.


slackereg6
(Member)
10/25/14 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After burning myself out attempting to train for a marathon in November I took some time off early this month. Anyways finally meet with a local guy who has a ton of experience and had offered to work with me on a plan. We talked about where I was at and what I wanted to do and he built a plan around those goals. My main goal was just to build a better base and I really wanted to do two local half marathons that are one month apart in November and December. The plan is geared to building a little for the first and then taking it a step further for the second. I know I would probably be better of just doing the December Half but this is being used to get a good base so not meting a goal pace at one is not the end of the world. I have never done intervals and the plan includes that along as some pace work.

First Half is in three weeks and we set a goal pace of about 8:20. Not sure if I can do it as it is a little on the optimistic side but this gives me something to really push for. Something that was lacking in the marathon training I was doing. Did intervals Thursday and 6 miles at 8:55 last night to kick of the plan. My legs are feeling it today but the runs overall felt good.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/14 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

14 mile long run today. Wife wanted to go easy and I didn't protest too much since this is the distance where my hamstring started causing problems during training for my first full.

Of course after my wife says she wants to go easy and complains on every uphill stretch that I am going faster than I should be, she says at the end that she is unhappy with our overall pace.

Overall pace was 9:33/mile. That does not count eighteen minutes of stopping for traffic and trying to figure out why we couldn't get out of a park. I think we need to not go west into the suburbs for any more long runs - too many traffic lights and not enough sidewalks.

Bright side is that we did as suggested above and turned it up for the last three miles: 8:57, 9:02 and 8:50.

15 miles next week.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/25/14 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: g@mbola
Did my usual loop today a bit more briskly than I usually do.

3.28 miles/30:02/9:09 pace

Not fast compared to you maniacs, but compared to my usual 9:30-10:15 pace, pretty quick. I was pressed for time squeezing that run in before friends came over to go out to dinner. They were here when I got back, doe.


To me you're not that slow :D, you just cruised around at my 1/2 goal pace (which I missed by :24s/ mile) \:D

I did a 5.0 yesterday afternoon, avg'd 8:54 and I hard to work pretty hard (HR was around 150 the whole back half) which I'm not happy about but whatever \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/14 07:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
14 mile long run today. Wife wanted to go easy and I didn't protest too much since this is the distance where my hamstring started causing problems during training for my first full.

Of course after my wife says she wants to go easy and complains on every uphill stretch that I am going faster than I should be, she says at the end that she is unhappy with our overall pace.

Overall pace was 9:33/mile. That does not count eighteen minutes of stopping for traffic and trying to figure out why we couldn't get out of a park. I think we need to not go west into the suburbs for any more long runs - too many traffic lights and not enough sidewalks.

Bright side is that we did as suggested above and turned it up for the last three miles: 8:57, 9:02 and 8:50.

15 miles next week.


My wife and I figured out long ago that we just can't run together.


Got in a nice 9 mile run up at Pt. Mugu yesterday. Climbed a decent peak right over the water:




Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/14 09:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. My wife went from faster than me, to slow and pathetic.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/14 10:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy crap. I disappear for a couple days and come back to people posting all types of activity. Nice job guys.

Finished the Surf City 10 with the work group today. About 15 total made it out. I didn't hit my stretch goal but came damn close.

10 miles @ 80:46
#151 of 1665
Runkeeper splits:
- 9:06 (1+ min delay)
- 8:02
- 7:57
- 7:45
- 7:49
- 8:00
- 7:46
- 8:23 (mile 8-9 for gel pack)
- 8:31
- 8:04

Overall I'm pretty stoked and will be a confidence booster for Vegas. And I think I may have surprised some coworkers as they know I keep a crazy-busy schedule. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/14 01:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^ur pretty fast dude \:D

for me: Taper week, last tri of the season--I want to be able to run hard at the end--only 6 days away now. I have no idea how much a ~500' climb will affect me in only a 5k. Probably really friggin badly. Might just narrowly go sub 30:00 on the last 5k lol. Flat I'd hope to be good for a sub 26:00 or something [after the swim +bike]. Bike isn't flat either tho [~1500' climb], so I'll probably be waaay slower than I expect. Oh well at least the swim is flat


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/14 03:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. I think you'll do fine in the 5K/Tri. When I did the OC Chili Race series there was 800-1000 ft of vert on the 10 miler. Slowed me down about 2-3 minutes overall.

That bike portion sounds nasty though.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/14 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

...and more punishment on the horizon. I officially got in for the 2015 LA Marathon. Time permitting, I'd like to train for a sub-4 hour goal.

I'll be picking up the mileage in December.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/28/14 10:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was on vacation this weekend and ran a Half while I was at it. I swear the course was exactly a half-mile short, but whatever. I did a rookie mistake in running the race in new shoes, this is because I was visiting family and I had bought shoes to leave there last time I visited, so this was first time I have been there since and ran in those shoes. It gave me pretty bad shin splints on my left leg for ~4 miles, which slowed me down, but I got through it. I ended up doing about a 1:46, which is awesome, considering the cramps, forgot my Clif Blox (so had nothing to eat beforehand nor during the race) and it also has a sizable hill, which I don't really get in Florida. It makes me feel good about the full Marathon I am training for in December and want to go sub 4.

Recently I feel like I've gotten my nutrition figured out on long runs, have been able to do 19-21 mile runs and feel good during, and most importantly, after the run! Pretty excited about that and the weather cooling off in Florida is making me want to run all the time.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/14 10:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Considering you're already under 8 for the half, and can pound out 19-21 with no problems, you sound like you are well ahead of goal. My guess is you'll land somewhere in the 3:30-3:40 range.

Nicely done!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/14 10:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So probably 1:50 ish since you said it was .5 short...and on a whim? Definitely a good race. Id be a little concerned about new shoes giving you shin splints though. Blisters I can see...shin splints are indicative of something more thn just new shoes. Are they a whole new brand/type/style or something?

Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/28/14 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah they're Brooks Pure Connect 2's, which is what I run in. I'm just blaming them for the way my legs were feeling, because that's the only difference compared to my normal daily runs here in Florida. It only lasted miles 2-6, after that was fine, I also ran 6 and 4.25 mile runs in those shoes and was fine. So I'll see how I feel doing tonight's 10 mile run and see if I have any issues.

I'd love to be doing under 3:45, my last 21 mile run was 3:35, which not a race or anything it made me think 4 hours is doable. My only other full was 4:49, so dropping down to 4 would be awesome. I'm no Boston level quick guy lol.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/14 01:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
My wife and I figured out long ago that we just can't run together.

It is really fucking hard to do sometimes. She usually complains about how I approach hills or otherwise choose times to pick up the pace. And she tells me I'm training incorrectly and I'm going to regret it later.

Maybe, just maybe, due to the fact that I'm a male with some anatomical differences, I'm 9 inches taller, I'm 65 lbs heavier, I'm someone with different strengths and weaknesses, and for whatever other reason, we're just different and what works for her doesn't always work for me?

Her response is always that I am just wrong.



I have to do 5x1200 tonight. I suspect it will be on the treadmill.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/14 02:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I assure you she is correct here bro

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/14 09:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Blew off my run tonight to drink beer and eat nachos with my co-workers. #winning

Won't make it up. Next scheduled run is a five mile tempo run. Have to figure out how I'm going to get in a run in Manhattan tomorrow morning. Really do not want to treadmill it.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/14 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm sitting here getting fatter and taking the entire week off [except for swimming which I think only makes me a slower runner haha] \:D


[I just one-upped your skipped workout bro]


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/14 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



**DONOTDELETE**
()
10/29/14 01:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I'm sitting here getting fatter and taking the entire week off [except for swimming which I think only makes me a slower runner haha] \:D


[I just one-upped your skipped workout bro]


I didn't do one bit of exercise last week.

Boom


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/14 12:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally registered for the Bootlegger 50k in a week and a half outside Las Vegas. Had a great time last year and knew I wanted to do it again. Hoping to better my 5:45.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/14 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Too bad I'll miss you; be there in the area the week after. Though I'm surprised you waited this late to register. Guessing it's pretty intense for the average Joe.



Awesome photo BTW.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/14 01:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's not too bad really. Mild temps, not too much vertical, and some awesome singletrack. The two loops can really mess with your head though. There's a 25k as well so that can mess with your head a bit if you're having a tough time. \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/14 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Loving this cool fall weather. Did 10 tonight at 7:10 pace. Havent run that fast in awhile.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 09:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Loving this cool fall weather. Did 10 tonight at 7:10 pace. Havent run that fast in awhile.

My run yesterday morning was about 40 degrees. Absolutely perfect for me.

As for this week:
Tuesday - no run - ate nachos and drank beer
Thursday - 5 mile tempo run was on the schedule but I was in Manhattan, so I did intervals between the stoplights up to Central Park, a few miles in the park, and then came back. 6.7 miles total. Pace was recorded as 8:16 but honestly I have no idea how accurate it was due to the amount of stopping and starting.
Sunday - 15 mile long run. Recorded a moving pace of 9:05. We had to stop at lights and would use those stops to eat and drink. Realistic pace for that distance without the benefit of stops is probably more like 9:15 to 9:20. And the temp yesterday certainly helped.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 09:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like a fun week of running.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 10:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am softly crying as CG gets further and further away each week...

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The wind has been ridiculous around here for the past few days, so no bike. Did my 5k loop last night in 40 degree/40mph wind. 50ish out today and still windy as fuck so I'm going to do the rare "2 days in a row" run.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys. Fast!

Got a couple runs over the weekend. Nice 5 mile tempo @ 7:54 on Saturday. Followed by an 11 mile recovery @ 8:58 on Sunday. Going to take it easy tonight and do some mild strength and elliptical. Vegas in 2 weeks!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/03/14 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This weekend was the 2nd of my 3 long weekends for marathon training. 10 miles Saturday and 20 Sunday. I actually do 21 miles because I have a 7 mile loop I do 3 times, plus the extra mile is even closer to the marathon distance. =]

Saturday morning I woke up with an itch at the back of my throat, a notice to me that I'll be sick soon, but got up and did 10 miles in a decent amount of wind. Ended up doing that in 1:27:20 at an 8:44 pace. Felt good about that. Run wasn't hard, was able to keep up a good pace, all in all it was a good start to the day!

Sunday I wake up and I feel better, go have a bagel and get ready to run. I don't do the 1-2 hour beforehand eating, I ate that bagel about ~15 minutes before I started running. I'm not so obsessed I will get up at 5am just to eat, lol. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I do 3 loops of 7 miles. Each loop I stop back at the house, to swap Clif Bloks, get water, what have you. So first loop goes off perfectly at 1:00:45. Stop at the house for 2 minutes or so and swap Clif Bloks and get the second loop done at 2:00:01. This time I had to swap from old running shorts to new ones I bought this week, because the old ones developed a hole and threw my phone on the ground, twice. Got a crack in it now, so maybe I will buy the Note 4 since my Note 3 is cracked, heh. So this pitstop is a couple of minutes longer, I finished up loop 3 at 2:58:57. For an average pace of 8:31. Super happy about this, to do that pace the day after 10 miles is awesome. This is faster than my race pace of 9:08 for a 4 hour finish. Pretty excited to think I can go sub 4 hour, sure this makes me think I have a shot at sub 3:45, but really sub 4 is all I care about, not getting into Boston or anything so whatever.

I know I cheat some stopping at the house but my total time was 2:59:15 moving with 3:08:44 total. 2 weeks ago I did this same thing and it took me 3:34:37, so this time was MUCH faster, and more of a racing prep. I do it again in 2 weekends and my plan is that time to not do any pit stops and run the whole 21 miles, and maybe even make it 22 or 23.

I ended October with doing 157 miles running and 140 biking. Because of the way this month started on my long weekend I'm looking at almost 200 miles running this month, I want to try to hit 200 for fun, but of course now I'm sick and unsure if I can tough out my runs this week or not, don't want to drain myself and make myself worse, but I'll at least try.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just curious if you don't mind sharing... what keeps you motivated to run ~150+ miles/month and even more specifically... to get back out there on that 3rd 7-mile loop in a row that you're describing here?
I consider myself pretty motivated, but 15-20 miles/week [1/2 to 1/3 of what you do] seems to be my limit. Just looking for what motivates you or how you can manage to run so much without the graphic below kicking in and nuking your 'drive' or whatever

This is me after mile 10 on any given run:


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/03/14 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First, lol at GIF!

Mostly signing up for races. I've only been running for just under 3 years, so not like a long time like some guys. I'm signed up for my second marathon on December 7th, and so I know if I don't train then it will not go well. Gives me the motivation to go do it. (None the less all the races I'm signed up for between now and July of next year)

Though there are plenty of other things. I live in FL, weather is just now about to break to be in the 70s, morning runs in the 50s. I'm single and therefore have no wife/kids to take up all my time. I've fallen in love with running, when I don't do it for a few days I actually miss it and need to go do it. (I mentioned I'm feeling sick but when I get home I'm going to at least try to go do my 5 mile run today). I like to have the challenge of running, the only person you're accountable for it (besides maybe a coach/running buddy) is yourself, only you can make yourself do it, you challenge yourself to do it. The only way to get better at it is to do it. The only way to get faster is to run faster.

I used to be in that type of mentality as you, where a 5 mile run was kinda tough and a double digit run was more mind bottling than doable. Basically as you keep at it those 5 mile runs are normal every day runs, you can run a half marathon any day you want. That's the point you really like running because you can actually do a significant amount of it without dying, you get the runner's high and just enjoy it.

In the end, for me, it boils down to being healthy and my weight. I used to be 240 pounds, I got to 180 before I started running and now I stay 160-165. I eat terribly and know if I didn't run I'd be 180 in a month and 200 in 3 months. So, when I look in the mirror I get motivation to not look like that again.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
just curious if you don't mind sharing... what keeps you motivated to run ~150+ miles/month and even more specifically... to get back out there on that 3rd 7-mile loop in a row that you're describing here?
I consider myself pretty motivated, but 15-20 miles/week [1/2 to 1/3 of what you do] seems to be my limit. Just looking for what motivates you or how you can manage to run so much without the graphic below kicking in and nuking your 'drive' or whatever

This is me after mile 10 on any given run:


you have to mix it up man, you cant just go out and run the same loop at the same pace every fucking day. even if you dont have alot of options for where to run then at least change up the workout. do some 100m strides, mile repeats, whatever but really push yourself...it will keep you from getting bored and also build speed. I'm talking really pushing yourself to, you should feel like you're going to puke during a run at least once a week.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 01:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Its a mix for me:

Fear of getting fat again
Races/goals

But mostly just a love of running.


Ive been stuck in ruts before, and like Donnie said, you gotta mix it up. Go run some trails, run fast on the track, go someplace new for a run.


It's very rare that Im not looking forward to a run.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 01:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

huh, fwiw I don't consider moving from 'never running' to being a pretty solid 15 miles-a-weeker to 'being stuck in a rut' or 'unmotivated', I'm specifically asking about the delta there with lividentity [which he provided/thank you]

I'll just be over here being fat/slow and pounding out 9 minute miles like it's my job \:D

everyone's goals are different: I just want a 'competent/mid-packer' 10k at the end of a decent international distance tri, and anything sub 2h's in a half near me moving forward. I suspect I'm running plenty for that already and I just half to train for more than 6 months to get there [starting from the couch I'm somewhere around month 8 or so at this point]

so I'm out there pounding out some miles and maybe ~15/week is all I can stand. I'm ok with that \:D


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/03/14 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The other guys posted good info too. I do almost literally all of my runs in the same 7 mile loop around my neighborhood. Because I'm locked in with a highway to make it easy to change it up, and I hardly want to drive 10 minutes somewhere to run then 10 minutes home. It is rare I go anywhere to run that isn't a race, or vacation.

9 minute miles are awesome. I'm not doing any Boston Marathon type running myself. When I hit 7 minute miles in runs I feel like I'm flying. Even now when I have a Half-Marathon PR of 1:40:01 (stupid 2 seconds under goal) and if I can do 10 miles at 9 minute pace I'm happy about it. I always just guess 10 minute pace, if I am doing a 5 mile run I just give myself 50 minutes to do it.

Don't be ashamed of your pace, which I know you're not, but if you want to better it, sign up for a race, grab a training plan from Hal Higdon Training Plans and do it. The past 2 years I've done the Philly Rock'n'Roll Half-Marathon with my friend, I do it with him because he wants to do it, it isn't for me. Anyway last year we did it in 3:30, this year was slightly faster (and a really bad running day for him) at 3:23. He went from 300lbs to 280lbs. And he's ecstatic when he's able to get out and nonstop run for 2 miles. It is all perspective.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I used the Higdon 'intermediate' 1/2 plan with the 2hr goal and basically completely blew off all the speedwork and mileage totals \:D [did keep the long-slow-run however and at least 1 race-pace jog/week tho]

#nailed_it

I'm also ramping up my swimming while ramping down my biking so I'd weigh running as a ~30% care-factor for what I do weekly I guess. Swimming 50%, weights 20%, biking 0% haha [I decided after my most recent tri this weekend that I actually am at an ok place with my biking and my bike-commuting easily gets me where I need to be---eg midpacker--I just need to actually bike commute ~4x a week rather than 1 or x2 lol]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 02:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Agree with everything above. My runs are becoming harder and harder to fit in with work, kids and a very active personal life. But I still make time for them because otherwise I know I'll regret it later in life.

I'm able to dedicate around 30-45 min a day during the week, and a couple hours one day on the weekend. And I'm strongly considering a running group because 1) I'm looking to maximize my time/performance, 2) I love sharing my running experience with others, and 3) it will make racing events much more social for me (I'm incredibly outgoing as you know).

Consider changing the route, playlist, time of day... anything to mix things up. Maybe work in other activities like you've been doing to minimize risk of injury. At some point, getting faster takes more time putting a solid base of miles.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 02:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I found a faster co-worker to run with at lunch once a week or so. It's kinda nice but he's kind of a dick and pushes the pace [we end up going 8:30 or so for 4-5 miles]

I suspect this partnership has a limited future [side by side for 2-3 miles, me coming back into the office like 5 minutes after him haha]

If I had to guess the reason for my lessor motivation [compared to those posting recently] is simply that my goals are much more basic: entry level running competence. Perhaps with another year of tris and swimming under my belt I will revisit this but I'm getting close to running competence \:D [my definition]

looking for things like:
sub 50:00 10k
sub 2hr 1/2

sub 54:00 10k on a int tri after a 20.0+ mph bike split [40k TT] \:D [this seems a little ridiculous tbh but hey it's my goal and I'm sticking with it ]

with a 3rd swimming day I should be able to work my 1500m swim down to around 20:00 in a pool and say 22:00 cruising to save energy in a tri. That would be awesome for me

so like 22:00 1500m swim
1:15:00 40k bike split
:54:00 10k run -8:40 pace/mi haha
:05:00 transitions
=2h36m on a typical international tri. If I hit that in 2015 I would be STOKED


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think a larger running group will help you find a good partner(s) for whatever distance you'd like to train. At least that's how it works here in OC. The big group here is Snail's Pace. Great bunch of folks of all ages and abilities. Very supportive and encouraging (like most groups I imagine).

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/03/14 02:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running once a week with someone faster than you is a great idea. That will be a quality run that will help you to improve a lot.

Having to worry about swimming and biking also makes it tough. I bike commute as much as I can to work as well, about 7 miles each way and only go like 12mph. So you can beat me on a bike any day lol.

I have yet to do a triathlon, though I want to an Ironman someday. Trying to keep up with 3 sports/activities and having a life isn't easy, so doing anything is much better than doing nothing!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was thinking if I ever get to the point where running a marathon is a possibility, that I should probably pencil in an ironman because I'm not sure Id be able to do that if I get any older.

I am tentatively looking at a half iron next year \:\|


However, my motivation seems to remain in the pool for now anyways. Ironman training would probably annhialate any sprint capability that remains in my body lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wasn't suggesting anything negative or critical of your performances or dedication at all, just responding to your question about dealing with burnout and lack of motivation. I've ran 2100 miles this year...you think I haven't dealt with it?

You seem to want to put you and I on different levels, but that's not really the case. Take a look at my first year of racing and you'll see times that aren't far off between the two of us. I think you're doing great for your first year.

http://www.athlinks.com/athletes/81101692/Profile
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
huh, fwiw I don't consider moving from 'never running' to being a pretty solid 15 miles-a-weeker to 'being stuck in a rut' or 'unmotivated', I'm specifically asking about the delta there with lividentity [which he provided/thank you]

I'll just be over here being fat/slow and pounding out 9 minute miles like it's my job \:D

everyone's goals are different: I just want a 'competent/mid-packer' 10k at the end of a decent international distance tri, and anything sub 2h's in a half near me moving forward. I suspect I'm running plenty for that already and I just half to train for more than 6 months to get there [starting from the couch I'm somewhere around month 8 or so at this point]

so I'm out there pounding out some miles and maybe ~15/week is all I can stand. I'm ok with that \:D


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 03:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits

I am tentatively looking at a half iron next year \:\|






stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

huh, nah looks like I'm a lot slower actually lol. a 1:42 1/2 marathon with like less than a year under your belt? damn dude.

anyways yes I appreciate the input: I'm not burned out per se at all [keeping my mileage low-ish I think is one of the reasons]. I battled a decade+ swim burnout where my main problem was never being able to be as fast as I once was. I'm over that now. Biking I seem to alternate between not giving any fucks, only wanting to have fun on a mtbike, and having some kind of bike-split goal in a tri. Hopefully there's overlap there.

If my running ever gets anywhere near where you've gotten I would be hugely surprised--swimming is just more important to me. I guess at the end of the day I am competitive and I want to do well in local/state/national masters swim meets--I have a long way to go but I'm bordering on national qualifying times in 4 different events--2 of which I completely ignored in College [IM and breastroke heh]. I've added a bit of that '5th stroke' eg underwater butterfly kick and it's dropping my IM time a bunch and I'm nearly getting to where I was 20 yrs ago --mostly because I gave zero fucks about the IM I guess

so I'm not worried about being as fast as others [relatively] on the run-split. My only goal had ever been 'median' \:D

Hope that doesn't sound like I'm trying to be a dick. Another way of phrasing this is I'm trying to not really increase my run mileage as I don't really like it at this point in my life

I do remain fascinated by those that can put in those 50+ mileage weeks [or even 25+], week after week. I'm just soliciting where that kind of drive comes from, as I am curious. I know for me I swim because I love it, so probably runners are just the same way with running.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 03:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well that's the awesome thing about all of this...nobody is forcing us to do it. \:D


Keeping that in the back of my mind at Leadville really helped me through some bad patches.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/03/14 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ugh, rainy days, foot is not aching(though still occasionally twinges).

Someone convince me to either:
go do 3 on the treadmill
go do my loop outside (and likely come back drenched).


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 04:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

to be honest I'm full of shit and am constantly trying to find my motivation \:\|

*the pool seems to come easiest for me tho [old habits I guess are easy to fall into]


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just did my 5k loop for a second day in a row. such elite

Barring injury, I see myself doing a lot more running this winter vs. slugging it out on the bike in the cold or being stuck on the trainer. We'll see.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

awesome \:D
perhaps you feel like I do [after just crushing a 5k in the 9-10 minute/mile range]



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 07:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 6 mile recovery run on the trails this morning...about 12 hours after my run last night. I paid the price for that speedy effort.

Time to kick back a little for the rest of the week. Bootlegger 50k 4 days away!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/03/14 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus you crazy man.

Stickaz - I'm trying to better explain my motivation since I'm caught up with a late project at the moment. Just leaving work and about to head home. I guess the best way to quantify is that my body is yearning for some exercise. And I'll feel like crap if I skip.

So I'll go home first, hug the wife/kids, read the tots a story, and then bolt out for a brief strength/cardio session. Guess I REALLY want to make room for a little extra beer and food tonight. \:D


DalM3
(Sr Member)
11/03/14 11:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To the guys that run 30+ miles a week avg. year round, I have a question.

How do you feel physically?

Last year I logged a good amount over 1000 miles, culminating into 40 mile weeks by Nov-Dec for my first full, 5 days a week. Second full coming up in a few weeks, mileage is up there but only running 3-4 days.

Maybe it's my age, 44; but I'm always in some form of discomfort. Not working out sore, but just a general overall feeling of "I'm broken and why am I doing this to myself". I did suffer an injury at the end of last year, maybe that anxiety is weighing heavy in the back of my mind. I only started running a little over two years ago, I went from couldn't run to sub 2hr 1/2 in about 8 months. I took that and figured running was going to my thing. It's been tough.

How do you guys do it day in and day out? I want to keep doing this, but I'm not sure how many miles I have left in me.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 12:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


 Originally Posted By: zakcits
awesome \:D
perhaps you feel like I do [after just crushing a 5k in the 9-10 minute/mile range]



I was 3.24 miles at a blistering 10:17 pace today


 Originally Posted By: DalM3
To the guys that run 30+ miles a week avg. year round, I have a question.

How do you feel physically?

Last year I logged a good amount over 1000 miles, culminating into 40 mile weeks by Nov-Dec for my first full, 5 days a week. Second full coming up in a few weeks, mileage is up there but only running 3-4 days.

Maybe it's my age, 44


I'm 42 and running beats me up fairly well. I'm sure I'll be pretty sore tomorrow after two short, consecutive day runs.

Cycling is WAY easier on me, but even then, plenty of day after soreness.

This winter, I hope to get 2-3 good runs in per week and I hope to have one of them be 5+ miles each week. We'll see how the snow cooperates.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 02:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm feeling really good as I head into the big 4-0. Haven't had any injuries other than some ITB during my first year at it. I think I've done a pretty good job of building my body up to deal with the stresses...or maybe Im just built for it.

I had a 320 mile month leading up to my hundred miler and honestly, I never felt better.

I'll be riding this for as long as I can.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: DalM3
To the guys that run 30+ miles a week avg. year round, I have a question.

How do you feel physically?

Last year I logged a good amount over 1000 miles, culminating into 40 mile weeks by Nov-Dec for my first full, 5 days a week. Second full coming up in a few weeks, mileage is up there but only running 3-4 days.

Maybe it's my age, 44; but I'm always in some form of discomfort. Not working out sore, but just a general overall feeling of "I'm broken and why am I doing this to myself". I did suffer an injury at the end of last year, maybe that anxiety is weighing heavy in the back of my mind. I only started running a little over two years ago, I went from couldn't run to sub 2hr 1/2 in about 8 months. I took that and figured running was going to my thing. It's been tough.

How do you guys do it day in and day out? I want to keep doing this, but I'm not sure how many miles I have left in me.


Strength training. Deadlifts and back squats mainly. But I also do upper body for all-round core fitness.

If I run more than every other day, I will definitely feel it. But if there are days where I have to do consecutive runs, I generally do them easy. After my longer runs or tempo runs, I almost always take a day off or do strength/elliptical. The mix has been REALLY good for me.

I don't hit 30-40/wk often. But when I do I feel just a strong as when I do 15-20. That said, I'm going to see the doc about my leg alignment. I think it's contributing to some mild ailments with IT band.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 02:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I typically run 25-30/week. My legs struggle.

I do alright with deadlifts, but squat day can be variable. Sometimes, the legs feel alright, other days, they don't. Some of my runs are just me dragging my ass for miles.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 02:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

all of my runs are me dragging my ass [for not very many] miles \:D

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am running more while I do this marathon training but the truth is I don't like it all that much. Running for an hour or even 90 minutes can be fun. Training for and running a half can be fun. Running two or three hours one day every weekend is work. We have to have babysitting and time and I feel it afterwards. It crosses the line where it isn't that much fun any more but I'll suck it up and do it.

My mileage will always be limited because of my knees unless I find some secret exercise. My knees don't really tolerate back to back days of running even short distances.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck...you guys are making me feel like Superman here...or maybe just lucky.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To be fair, you're mostly a runner.

I'm doing weights 4 days a week, playing hockey 1-2 times per week, biking 1-2 times per week and running 3-4 times per week. Plus, carrying more pounds around.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 03:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was speaking mostly to the runners with all the issues. \:D

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What's the term you guys use to feel superior to mere regular "runners"?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
What's the term you guys use to feel superior to mere regular "runners"?


Lol there isn't one that I know of. I Didn't mean anything by it....but your comments seemed to be directed more at the other work you do and not the running, and mine were directed to the people complaining of injury/pain due to running.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

also don't leave out 'joggers'

<--


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was once informed that you go from jogger to runner when you pin your first bib number on. \:\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the issues stem more from technique vs. frequency. "Bad" form can make 5 miles feel like 12-15. I've been watching a lot of vids about technique and feel this is another area that can make a huge impact (in addition to muscle reinforcement):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFtwEWG-sIk


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 04:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And for the record, I talk a lot about running but I don't really do it often enough to consider it a full time gig. For me it's fun to see the improvements, however slow they are, over time as I get older.

In reality I think triathlons will be my calling long term. The culture is very similar to running; very supportive and inspiring. And I love the variety (despite the crazy training schedule).


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 05:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I'm with you there: just try not to be douchey like me

eg:
in swim practice--dont talk about the run you just did
when biking in a group dont talk about that mornings swim
when running in a group dont talk about the ride you just went on

if you do that's why everybody hates people that do tris. and never talk about your bike


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 05:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
And for the record, I talk a lot about running but I don't really do it often enough to consider it a full time gig. For me it's fun to see the improvements, however slow they are, over time as I get older.

In reality I think triathlons will be my calling long term. The culture is very similar to running; very supportive and inspiring. And I love the variety (despite the crazy training schedule).


Trail/ultra running community >>>>>>>>Tri community.

Ego is like the 4th leg of triathlon, lol. It's honestly part of the reason Ive given it up. Id go to a race and maybe talk to 1 person in transition. In ultras I meet dozens of people before, during, and after the race.
And nobody is drinking beer at the end of a Tri. \:\(


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

True on the beer portion.

I got introduced to a few tri folks and it's enough to make me want to continue. But I'm curious if things will get more egotistical as the distances get longer. I got a lot of pointers from some regulars at Solana Beach. Even ran into a coworker lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/04/14 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm exxagerating a bit, but it definitely gets worse the faster you get, and Ironman racers are some of the worst.

Still plenty of friendly people in the sport though.


slackereg6
(Member)
11/05/14 09:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last run was 8 miles at 8:33 average. Probably the fastest average I have done for the that distance.

Tonight will be the first time attempting mile repeats.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Courtesy of Strava. Wonder if I'll hit 2500.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh I've baaarely biked more than that
#nailedit


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/05/14 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're a solid 1000 miles ahead of me on the year. I'm at...well not sure since Garmin Connect appears to be down, but roughly 1100.

I can hardly imagine running twice what I have, lol. Though, crazy me, my goal next year is 2000 miles and going for 200 this month.

Also, anyone notice this? http://www.trailfilmfest.com/ Seems cool but closest to me is Atlanta, which is way too far.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You can almost all of the films they screen on Vimeo or youtube, but it would be cool to see them on the big screen. Eric had the organizer on URP last week. Sounds like a cool event for sure.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/05/14 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's how I found out about it, lol. I check URP like every day at work and like listening to the podcasts while running. I find it neat to listen to some guy talk about running 100 miles when I run 5 miles. :P

I also have gotten into listening to audiobooks via Audible while running/riding bike.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/05/14 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
heh I've baaarely traveled more than that
#nailedit
FTFM

SEriously, I doubt I've driven that far this year...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 05:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey, you did 4 of those miles with me!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/05/14 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As of my 5 miles today I am at 1147.23 on the year. Haha way to NOT be 1000 ahead! :P

**DONOTDELETE**
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11/05/14 06:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hey, you did 4 of those miles with me!

That was only 4 miles?! j/k

Yeah, that'll be about 1% of my total. Which probably still makes this above average years for me since most years I only run about 6 months/yr. The feet definitely impacted my ability to make my goals.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 06:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am going to try and be faster [on my feet!] than dirtay next year in something [since cheesegoggles has already left me in the dust

looking at the 10k or the 1/2 as your 5k is still smokin

on ur left bro \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 06:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We need to find a race we can all do together. Like a 10k trail race in southern Oregon.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

how about the SF 1/2 in mar \:D [already going hehe]

I will be crying on the very first hill, guaranteed \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You should come up and crew Ampsman and myself in a month at the North Face 50 miler. It's gonna be a hoot!

**DONOTDELETE**
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11/05/14 08:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I am going to try and be faster [on my feet!] than dirtay next year in something [since cheesegoggles has already left me in the dust

looking at the 10k or the 1/2 as your 5k is still smokin

on ur left bro \:D

You might make it in the half man!
I did an easy 3 today and I'm still wondering how my feet will feel.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/05/14 08:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
We need to find a race we can all do together. Like a 10k trail race in southern Oregon.
no one wants to be in Southern oregon

Trail half in bend?


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/05/14 08:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You should come up and crew Ampsman and myself in a month at the North Face 50 miler. It's gonna be a hoot!


That's awesome you guys are doing this. I hear about this race a lot and am jealous! I don't know what all elites will be there but I'm sure I'd finish about 10 hours past them lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
We need to find a race we can all do together. Like a 10k trail race in southern Oregon.
no one wants to be in Southern oregon

Trail half in bend?
Duuude...Ashland is the shit.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 09:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd be down for SF. But I think I'd want to do the full.

Or when you guys are ready to do this one hit me up:



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Big sur marathon? I recognize bixby bridge there (duh) that marathon is a lot of nope^3

My friend ran that this year it sounds MISERABLE


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/14 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've contemplated the Boston to Big Sur Challenge. Boston followed by Big Sur the next weekend.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 08:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Do eeeet.

slackereg6
(Member)
11/06/14 09:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you want a miserable run why not Pikes Peak full?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Do eeeet.

Sold out for this year...maybe 2016. \:\)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/06/14 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Why not Lake Sonoma? That's supposed to be an awesome race and gets lots of elites running it too. 50 miles is nothing, right? ...Right?!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Design
Do eeeet.

Sold out for this year...maybe 2016. \:\)


I have this on my list for 2016. We can definitely make this a CSI thing for those interested.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 11:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh yea no... I think the 1/2 is my distance moving forward from like now till forever \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 03:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You should come up and crew Ampsman and myself in a month at the North Face 50 miler. It's gonna be a hoot!


CSi meet in the city that night?


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 04:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You should come up and crew Ampsman and myself in a month at the North Face 50 miler. It's gonna be a hoot!


CSi meet in the city that night?


it's only gay if ur balls touch tho right?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 04:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Why not Lake Sonoma? That's supposed to be an awesome race and gets lots of elites running it too. 50 miles is nothing, right? ...Right?!


Same weekend as Boston.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/14 05:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You should come up and crew Ampsman and myself in a month at the North Face 50 miler. It's gonna be a hoot!


CSi meet in the city that night?


it's only gay if ur balls touch tho right?


what if they touch your butthole?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/14 07:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Long run fail yesterday

Went out with my wife for seventeen miles on a mostly flat trail. Felt pretty good to start - the first six miles were all sub 9:15 except one where we walked a bit while we ate. Eight miles still good. Ten miles still alright.

Then things start getting harder. Our out and back route was ever so slightly downhill on the way out which explains why we felt so good at first. And we might have had a bit of a tailwind. On the way back it was slow steady climb plus a touch of headwind here and there. Each mile started to take a little longer, it was taking more effort, and it was overall simply demoralizing.

We were just over 13 miles when my wife said she was ready to walk. She is actually a stronger runner than I am but she is doing more volume during the week and it caught up with her. I probably could have kept plugging along but in reality I had no objection to walking. We did some walking and running back to the car for a total of 15.5 and called it a day.

These runs, which we have a few more of, are the reason I told myself after the first marathon that I would not do another one. And now I wish I stuck to it. We have officially met the point where this is not fun any more. I'm very busy with work and family and life, and I want to have fun on the weekends. Spending three hours in the cold running until all parts of my body hurts is not fun.

We'll try to suck it up, finish training, and run this race in January. And then this really will be my last full marathon.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/14 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sorry to hear man \:\( doubt I'd be any different trying to go that far.

Perhaps training for a 5k and some speed work or a long event of a half fits you better? I figure I'll be trying the half for some time moving forward as I appear to have sufficient motivation to train for that distance and it seems tolerable enough in my ~15m weekly mileage (lol)

My overall goal was to 'add running' and avoid burnout, perhaps there's some lower level for you?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/14 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
Sorry to hear man \:\( doubt I'd be any different trying to go that far.

Perhaps training for a 5k and some speed work or a long event of a half fits you better? I figure I'll be trying the half for some time moving forward as I appear to have sufficient motivation to train for that distance and it seems tolerable enough in my ~15m weekly mileage (lol)

My overall goal was to 'add running' and avoid burnout, perhaps there's some lower level for you?

You are right and I knew this before I signed up. I enjoy running shorter distances up to a half. Training for a full marathon takes something fun and turns it into work. Same thing when I was doing some bike racing a few years ago.

It will be fine. December 20 is the last long run before I taper. I'll get there. The marathon itself will be fun.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/14 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a good day on the trail yesterday. My second year running the Bootlegger 50k in Boulder City outside Vegas. It was pretty hot (much hotter than last year) but those trails are just fucking beautiful. Ended up 5 minutes slower than last year, but I felt strong so I'm blaming the slower time on the heat. \:D I hiked the big climbs faster than last year according to Strava. 5:42 was my time.

Not sure of my placing yet, but I never got passed and picked off 9 people over the course of the day.

Not feeling very sore at all today either, so that's a good sign.

ETA: finished 10th out of 28th and 4th in the 30-39 AG.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/09/14 04:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job on the 50k man! 5:42 is serious for a 50k.

I had the worst post-race ever today. I don't know exactly what it was but after my half-marathon I got a headache, took the shuttle back to the start and barely made it to my hotel before having to use the bathroom, took a shower and threw up in the shower, yeah, fun. I took a nap for a couple hours and felt better, then had a 3 hour drive home.

The race went normal and I did my normal strategy for fueling, and knew from my 6 miler yesterday my legs had no speed in them, and I ended up doing 1:55. I'm happy with how the race went, just afterwards I felt horrible in a way I never have post race/run.

A funny story from the race though was around 4.5 miles into it a train crossed the course, haha. I only got stopped by it for a minute, but I heard others mentioning they were there for about 3 minutes. Just a really random thing to have happen and I thought it was funny.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/09/14 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I had the worst post-race ever today. I don't know exactly what it was but after my half-marathon I got a headache, took the shuttle back to the start and barely made it to my hotel before having to use the bathroom, took a shower and threw up in the shower, yeah, fun. I took a nap for a couple hours and felt better, then had a 3 hour drive home.


That's how I've felt after both my previous (and only) halves. The most recent one I kinda felt like I was about to die, sitting on the sidewalk outside the restaurant my friends/family decided to attend after the race.
I puked a bit, and moved from dying to merely miserable feeling and went back in.

Gonna have to see how I feel after my upcoming one in a couple weeks.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/14 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Good job on the 50k man! 5:42 is serious for a 50k.



Thanks man. I am happy with it because I felt good the whole time (well, most of the time...running for 5+ hours is gonna hurt at least a little) but my PR at the distance is 4:45 on a course with almost the same elevation gain. This course is super technical, constant rolling terrain, exposed, and hot, while the one I PR'd is super smooth groomed trails in cool shaded forests with just a few big climbs and the rest pretty flat.

That's what I love about trail races though...the terrain totally dictates your performance.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/09/14 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I had the worst post-race ever today. I don't know exactly what it was but after my half-marathon I got a headache, took the shuttle back to the start and barely made it to my hotel before having to use the bathroom, took a shower and threw up in the shower, yeah, fun. I took a nap for a couple hours and felt better, then had a 3 hour drive home.


That's how I've felt after both my previous (and only) halves. The most recent one I kinda felt like I was about to die, sitting on the sidewalk outside the restaurant my friends/family decided to attend after the race.
I puked a bit, and moved from dying to merely miserable feeling and went back in.

Gonna have to see how I feel after my upcoming one in a couple weeks.


Yeah it super sucked. I've never felt that way afterwards, I even did a half 2 weeks ago and was fine. Something about Ft. Lauderdale I guess, lol.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well despite the negative outcomes a few of you guys had, at least you were out there this weekend lol. I completely blew off my longer run in favor of family and social events.

I will be making it up tonight (10-12 miles). But next week's weather is supposed to be a scorching 37* for the race.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

BTW, I've never run in deathly cold weather. Any suggestions besides a long shirt and compression socks?



2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
BTW, I've never run in deathly cold weather. Any suggestions besides a long shirt and compression socks?



404: Deathly cold weather not found. Fucking SoCal guys I swear to god


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 12:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

...and it's supposed to be the 70's here today. Guess I'm running indoors (too hot).

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 01:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
BTW, I've never run in deathly cold weather. Any suggestions besides a long shirt and compression socks?



Arm sleeves and cheap gloves are the way to go. Maybe a beanie too. All stuff that comes off super easy once you warm up.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Design
BTW, I've never run in deathly cold weather. Any suggestions besides a long shirt and compression socks?



404: Deathly cold weather not found. Fucking SoCal guys I swear to god


this

I'm not Grizzly Adams, but I'm plenty comfortable running in 25 degree weather. A hat that covers my ears, a few layers under a sweatshirt, gloves and running tights under my shorts. Sweating 1.5 miles in. Biggest PITA is the runny nose. My lungs get acclimated as the weather gets colder


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

New 5k PR and the first time I broke the 9 min/mi barrier

POW:





Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/14 06:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/14 02:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

NICE work Gamby.

Knocked out my final long run before Vegas. If things continue like tonight I should be able to knock out a decent pace next Sunday.

*fingers crossed*


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/14 01:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job everybody!
The last 3 weeks have been rough as I have been dealing with some back issues from over use.
Oh well, on the mend and racing this weekend. I think I have a good enough base this year that a couple weeks rest will probably actually do me good.
This is one of my favorite races up in the marin headlands...18 miles and just shy of 5k of vert. Ran it in 2:49 last year so hoping to go below that but it will depend on how the back holds up.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/14 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good job Gambs. you know I was just thinking... I havent done a 'long' run I think since my 1/2 back in early Oct...and I tapered for like 3 weeks before that lol.

I was going to do a long run on Sunday but wasnt up to it after getting stitches on my head/arm from saturday/vaguebooking. I swear I was gonna do like 8-10 tho. Honest

*hides


slackereg6
(Member)
11/11/14 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 6 yesterday. Mile warm up 3 miles averaging just under 8min/mile ( ) and 2 easy to finish it up. Half is Sunday so just doing easy runs the rest of the week. Not sure how it will go I know I can do 10 at pace just not sure about the last few miles.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/11/14 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
good job Gambs. you know I was just thinking... I havent done a 'long' run I think since my 1/2 back in early Oct...and I tapered for like 3 weeks before that lol.

I was going to do a long run on Sunday but wasnt up to it after getting stitches on my head/arm from saturday/vaguebooking. I swear I was gonna do like 8-10 tho. Honest

*hides


WTF happened?!

It's gonna get chilly here next week. I see some longer (5+ mile lel) runs for me then. Riding offroad in the cold. Little desire to be on the road in the cold and almost zero desire to be on the trainer (although that will become inevitable at some point)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/14 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got some stitches from a surfing incident sat [wrist + forehead], was sitting on the rock/ledge at the aptly named 'rockview' spot, nice and deep [deeper than everyone else], it was great, had my choice of waves basically on a crowded day. Well bottom drops out of a set wave I'm on, so I step off to take my beating [rather than risk getting punted from the lip and breaking my neck] so I'm going through the wash-cycle/no biggee when my board comes around and nails me.
I'm sort of instinctively blocking it but obviously not well enough. Ironically I suppose only my face and hands arent covered by at least 3.5mm of neoprene.

anyways update for the thread:
Turkey Trot run/walk @ work, slight improvement from Feb of this year when I ran the same course

this time: 38:28 8:26 avg
splits:
7:29, 8:00, 8:51, 9:16, 8:41
last time: 40:06 8:41 avg
splits:
8:40, 8:25, 8:50, 8:42, 8:55

I think I'm faster than this, just kinda failed to pace properly [went out too fast] then when I hit mile 3 or so I just kinda mentally faded a bit.

HR avg was 153 or so, so I had a bit of reserve I guess [I average about 152 when running a half], was around 160 last half mile or so.

Oh well. Today was a bike commute day also so I was already a little hampered /excuses


CN: shut up and run more /need to get back on the 15+ weekly mileage train


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/14 11:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol @ your shoe description.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/12/14 11:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
got some stitches from a surfing incident sat [wrist + forehead],


Greg Brady got hit with that shit from the evil Tiki in Hawaii


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/13/14 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did 8 half mile repeats this morning. All the repeats were 7:15-7:45 pace which is fine with me. Also put me at 100.06 miles on the month, shooting for 200 miles this month so that's on target. Feeling good about it all!

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 09:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Vortex hit and it's cold as fuck. Last week was a hoodie and some thin gloves only. Now, it's layers, two hats, thick gloves. Might cut out my morning runs. Didn't do any this week, but that makes my evenings much busier.

I also hate sweating, but still being cold. I also note that after 5-6 miles, my legs must get cold or something because it feels like they turn to wood.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 09:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck. That. If I had to live with that kind of weather Id buy a damn treadmill. \:D

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 09:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's still better than a treadmill and I can always pretend I'm Rocky.

Plus, it's not always shitty, though that definition might be different for someone in California.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've run two miles total since the weekend. Awesome.

Supposed to run 13 miles tomorrow. I will have to do it in the morning when it is supposed to be about 28 degrees F and before snow potentially comes. Otherwise my wife will be cleaning my blown out brains off of the treadmill sometime on Sunday.


slackereg6
(Member)
11/14/14 12:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just looked at a route map and my house is basically mile marker 25 for the local marathon in December. Thinking about throwing up a few dumb signs or something for it.

Forecast of 60 degrees and 90% humidity for the half this Sunday. I will take what I can get.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"never trust a fart: it can wait!" [good for a mile 25 sign]

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 06:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For the SoCal'ers:

Just did 5.1 miles in the lovely 33 degree evening air. Very still out, so it was actually a nice run.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 09:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sick I did a 5k in the evening for no reason yesterday and I was still sore from tues, the whole thing sucked. Today I did a 5k after a bike commute day (24 miles) and it sucked even worse (just sub 10 min mile pace)

Sometimes I wonder if I'm making any progress. 11 miles jogged for the week m-f (a lot for me) which means a long run this weekend should have me in unexplored territory. I think my knee hurts a little too, trying to ignore it. Fuck


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/14 11:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I sometimes gives no fuck about progress. It's just about doing it. 0 degrees, 12k, snow on ground.



CN: I'm impressed at people who do. Don't have to excel or exponentially improve.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/14 12:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
I sometimes gives no fuck about progress.


Yes....I pretty much just care about the challenge these days.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/15/14 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What do you guys do to keep your legs warm in < 30 degree temps?

I've got some trips coming up where I'll be stuck for a few days in that temp range, was thinking of getting something like:
http://www.rei.com/product/817411/rei-airflyte-basic-tights-mens


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/14 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nothing, I just run and sweat. I'll wear track pants down to about 15 or so, lined pants below that. If really cold, thermal underwear.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/14 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

New shoes for snow. Shit's got teef.





JT
(Post Master Sr)
11/16/14 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On topic: Did 45 minutes on the treadmill today, longest streak in a while without going into complete boredom mode.

Off topic: My nearly new Nike Goretex shoes have a creased heel cup from improper summer storage. I can't bend it back out with my fingers. Are they dead?


slackereg6
(Member)
11/16/14 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Half marathon today 1:51. Happy and disappointed with the results. Wanted to break 1:50 and I was on pace until mile 11. Just could not keep it up and slowed a few seconds on those last few miles. Another half in a month so hopefully I can knock a few minutes off.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/16/14 04:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man 1:51 is nothing to sneeze at. That's awesome, way to go!

It is much better than my run today, went out to do 21 and ended up cutting it short at 18.67. It was getting hot and my body wasn't in it and stomach was a little upset. By mile 17 I knew it wasn't my day. Sucks only because it was my final long run before the marathon in 3 weeks, but still happy to have done it.

I also picked up a new pair of shoes yesterday, I've run in all 3 iterations of the Brooks Pure Connect's. I wanted something different to try out and bought a pair of Altra Torin's, along with inserts. In the store they felt great, so I'll be trying them out for the first time tomorrow on my 5 miler.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/14 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My run today was awful. I either have a pulled groin or my hernia is back. Feels like I have to piss and bouncing hurts my stomach.

I had trouble running much more than a mile without a break. Played hockey last night, so maybe my legs just need a rest. My pace was horrid. 7 miles, over an hour.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/14 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love my Altras.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/14 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hah on my 'long slow' run, 7 miles in an hour is way faster than I go. My maths suggest 8:30/pace, sheesh, that's tempo-ish for me

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/14 08:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got a solid training block in. 30k race yesterday and 10x90 second hill repeats today. Didnt feel great yesterday but todays workout was solid. 2 weeks till quad dipsea!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 02:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, Vegas is done. Great course but HOLY CRAP was it crowded. I was a total turtle in traffic until the last three miles. Scored negative splits the last half of the route to boot.

Despite the crowds and nasty headwind, I managed to squeeze out a 1:52:40, averaging 7:50 the last two miles. Looking forward to breaking 1:50 at the New Years Race (6 weeks).


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No run this weekend. Woke up stuffy and low energy. That time of year and way too much going on with work to get good rest each night. Need to get back on the train this week.

slackereg6
(Member)
11/17/14 10:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Well, Vegas is done. Great course but HOLY CRAP was it crowded. I was a total turtle in traffic until the last three miles. Scored negative splits the last half of the route to boot.

Despite the crowds and nasty headwind, I managed to squeeze out a 1:52:40, averaging 7:50 the last two miles. Looking forward to breaking 1:50 at the New Years Race (6 weeks).


Congrats. Sounds like the exact opposite of the race I did especially the part about the last 2 miles. The last two of mine I was spent and slowed to 8:40-9:00. Also only 186 finishers and lucky only a slight wind.

Really want to try the vegas half or full one year.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. Definitely do the half. The full seems more like an afterthought with limited views lol.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

great job man! I think with another year of running I still wont be that fast next year in the completely-uber-flat san jose 1/2.
revised goal: 2H once again [stretch goal: 1:55] \:D

I think I'm getting slower lol. Does anybody know what shin splints feels like? /sidenote


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 02:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Splints feel like pain the the bone of your shin. Can be a dull ache, can be somewhat sharp too.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 02:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think it's not shin splints I'm feeling. Just calf muscle weakness leaving my body. [calves hurt when running after a speed-work day--something I virtually never do]

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job on the weekend races Gents!
I took the first few days of the week off after my 50k, but got in three good 10 milers in the latter half of the week.

Here's a pic from my run this morning:


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/14 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cold and rainy today. Decided against running. Later saw two separate (hot) chick track teams (a local HS and Providence College) out running in the rain. Still jumped rope indoors.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/17/14 07:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ended up doing my 5 miles on a treadmill in the garage because it was raining pretty steady. So Ironmom consider me jealous lol.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/19/14 11:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cool pic from the Bootlegger 50k. This was mile 29 or so.



gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/14 12:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That weather seems a little nicer than the 30 degree 4 miles I did today.

Nice work on another beast of a race. [rawlings]Get you some![/rawlings]


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/22/14 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finished my half today, didn't quite meet my stretch goal of 90 mins, but I'm happy where I wound up at 1:36:xx http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/637765685

I started out with the 1:30 pace group, but I could tell by mile 2-2.5ish that it just wasn't going to happen so I dropped off.
Started feeling really terrible around miles 4-5, probably because I started a little faster than I should have, and I was literally in no-man's land with the 1:30 group way ahead and nobody behind for probably 1/3 mile or more.

I tried to keep a quick & steady pace, when a lady came up to pass a little bit later I latched on and held her until mile 10 where she faded. I just held pace through to the end and felt pretty good crossing the finish line.

Overall I'm happy, much better than my last time of 2:03. I think with a few more months training I've got a shot at sub 1:30. \:\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/14 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^sandbagger (j/k, great job)

Few more months of training at that rate of improvement I figure you're looking at the 1:10 range lol


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/22/14 12:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn good job man! That's legit fast! You'll be able to hit under 1:30 for sure if you keep up the speedwork.

I want to return my Altra's for a half size bigger, but they seem ok all around. I actually got The One 2's, not the Torin like I had said before. Gonna finish up this month strong and hit 200 miles, which is nuts to me.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/22/14 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys, yeah I didn't really get "serious" about training until about 2-3 months back. I think I can start upping the mpw & intensity a little bit at a time from here to make it into 1:30 territory.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/14 02:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Finished my half today, didn't quite meet my stretch goal of 90 mins, but I'm happy where I wound up at 1:36:xx http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/637765685

I started out with the 1:30 pace group, but I could tell by mile 2-2.5ish that it just wasn't going to happen so I dropped off.
Started feeling really terrible around miles 4-5, probably because I started a little faster than I should have, and I was literally in no-man's land with the 1:30 group way ahead and nobody behind for probably 1/3 mile or more.

I tried to keep a quick & steady pace, when a lady came up to pass a little bit later I latched on and held her until mile 10 where she faded. I just held pace through to the end and felt pretty good crossing the finish line.

Overall I'm happy, much better than my last time of 2:03. I think with a few more months training I've got a shot at sub 1:30. \:\)


Solid work dude! You'll get sub 1:30 next time for sure.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/14 02:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

for week ending 11/23:

18.0 miles run \:o [one of the higher weeks for me]

[2] 'quality' speed work days and a 'long slow run' consisting of intervals \:o

**still no hill repeats and am morbidly fearful of my SF 1/2, hopefully I will solve that problem soon

***still slow as fuck tho


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/14 05:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, finally got an injury after a really nice long streak (just over a year) of none.

1.5 miles into what I was hoping to be 4 miles tonight, I got a huge pull in my right calf.

I'm bummed because my Thanksgiving morning run is my favorite run of the year (dem smells) and I doubt it'll be OK by then. I'm still going to get out there, but I'm assuming I need like 2 weeks off. \:\(


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/14 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Knocked out 28 miles and 8000+feet of vert today. What a silly race.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/29/14 08:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Was that Quad Dipsea?

I'm feeling kind of sick and have a half-marathon tomorrow, luckily it isn't an "A" race for me and wasn't planning on doing it hard anyway. Just hoping tomorrow morning isn't too bad and I can still get it done.

Sitting at 194 miles this month, so going over 200 will be really cool and also my first time ever.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/14 09:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Knocked out 28 miles and 8000+feet of vert today. What a silly race.


Go wash the sand, I mean mud outta your vagina! \:D


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/29/14 11:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It must be hibernation/lazy season, the usual paths & trails I train on have been deserted the past week now...

Just got through my half-marathon recovery week (almost all easy runs), got a 15k next weekend that should be fun. After that it's 11 weeks until the next half where I'm aiming for under 1:30 again (pretty confident I'll nail this one).


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/30/14 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So my race this morning went much better than expected. I ended up doing a 1:49:something. That includes about a 2 minute porta potty stop too. I wasn't really going into it hoping for anything special, a 2 hour would have been fine. But felt good and did well. Miles 8-13 were all sub 8minute so that was nice. Did about a 4 minute negative split, not including the bathroom break, lol.

So 1 week from today is my marathon and I'm hoping for 4 hours. If it goes as well as today did I'm confident I can do it. But for me just finishing a marathon is good enough.

Also, I hit 207.86 miles this month. That's crazy to me, lol.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/30/14 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
So my race this morning went much better than expected. I ended up doing a 1:49:something. That includes about a 2 minute porta potty stop too. I wasn't really going into it hoping for anything special, a 2 hour would have been fine. But felt good and did well. Miles 8-13 were all sub 8minute so that was nice. Did about a 4 minute negative split, not including the bathroom break, lol.

So 1 week from today is my marathon and I'm hoping for 4 hours. If it goes as well as today did I'm confident I can do it. But for me just finishing a marathon is good enough.

Also, I hit 207.86 miles this month. That's crazy to me, lol.


Solid work all around!
You're a madman for doing a race one week before a marathon though.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/14 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep....definitely not ideal for a peak performance, but I'm a fan of doing whatever feels good. \:D

I'm tapering well right now. The North Face 50 in 6 days!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/01/14 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I didn't run this race at the edge, so I'm not too worried. I'm not going to run this week too much either. I'm aiming for 4 hrs on the marathon, which I know is doable on a good day. But if I have a bad day and do a 4:40 that's fine. To me finishing a marathon is what matters, I'm not looking to go to Boston so the timing is secondary.

Also, I was apparently 2nd in my age group yesterday, which I had no idea about, lol. First in my age group was 30 minutes ahead of me and was 2nd overall, so yeah I wasn't beating him lol.


stickaz_old
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12/01/14 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

19 miles for me last week which may be a new high for me \:o
including a highly not-fun 11 miler last night where I started w/significant right-calf muscle pain, had a mini-abort around mile 1.5 [lol] and then adjusted my stride and sloooowed down and toughed it out [woot], then my left foot started having plantar-fascitis like pain as a result most likely of my adjusted stride due to my right calf issues

so I think I back off on the mileage this week

I wish this GPS errorred run was accurate->

thats where I hope to be somewhere next year lol
fairly dramatic GPS error on my droid phone. my garmin watch had it at 10:30 miles/11.0 miles distance lol [that watch perfectly matched my SJ 1/2 chip time]


Impulsive
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12/01/14 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

None of my runs are fun now that it snowed a ssome of the trails aren't cleared so I'm trudging through 1-2' deep snow. It was cold this weekend too, so shoes turn hard. Asshole icycle kept forming on me too.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/14 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The worst we're getting out here is an occasional rainstorm @ 65*.

I'm going to ease off speed training for the marathon and simply focus on mileage until I can get the IT band sorted out. Shooting for 9 minute miles for the longer runs. Possibly 8-8:30 minute miles for the shorter runs in between. Thinking that will be sufficient for a sub-4 hour marathon in March. If not, I'm fine with whatever time I earn.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/14 12:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Decent 5 miler tonight \:D


2000CheetahStud
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12/05/14 04:48 PM
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Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/06/14 04:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lolz.

Knocked out a 10 miler tonight at marathon pace. Looking forward to building mileage again for LA Marathon.


gamby
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12/06/14 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've done a couple of 3.7 mile walk/runs and my calf hasn't exploded (pulled it pretty decently before Thanksgiving), so that's good. Slightest twinge in it last night, but I didn't push it. One more week of taking it easy and I'll see about going to a full run again.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/08/14 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3.5 miles mostly running (no trace of calf acting up ) in a lovely blustery 24 degree dusk. It actually wasn't uncomfortable at all temp-wise.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/14 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ampsman and I before starting our 50.5 mile journeys this past Saturday.

About 9 hours later:


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/09/14 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Can't believe you guys did that race. That's awesome. You look fine after 9 hours too. You guys are tough!

I did my 2nd ever marathon on Sunday (If Garmin Connect link works: http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/647275869)

I ended up doing it in 4:20. My goal was 4:00, but the course was almost a mile long. So I'm pretty happy with the time I got with that in mind. I ran with the 3:55 pace group for the first 17 miles, then lagged a little bit. Suddenly after mile 18 the miles were around .8 miles long, not sure how they messed that up so bad. That's when the pain started getting to me and I slowed down.

The run itself was good, almost no elevation, lol Florida, a lot of it along/near water. My energy was fine, breathing was fine, it was mostly pain related that slowed me down. My hips and feet hurt so much after 19-20 miles. I ended up trying to keep up a ~12 minute jog because walking hurt too much. Glad to have it done and it made me want to never run that distance again, lol. Maybe I will try out a marathon trail race someday, but that many miles on the road is just so hard on the body.


Design
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12/09/14 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work guys. Sounds like things are going well for most of you.

4:20 is nothing to scoff at. And it sounds very similar to my experience when I blew up around mile 15 lol. Did you take electrolyte supplements during the later miles?




I decided I'd work in some speedwork to my own marathon training. Schedule is as follows:
- Sunday: Recovery + interval training
- Tuesday: Tempo runs or repeats
- Thursday: Slow recovery run
- Friday: Long run @ 90-95% pace

I've been icing the IT band after my longer runs which, along with new shoes, have been making a difference. Going to try and retain this approach as long as my body allows.


stickaz_old
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12/09/14 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

darnit the last 2 posters are not really helping with my thoughts of maybe doing a marathon in 2015 [both who I can tell are obviously in better shape/can run further/faster/etc]

I will focus on the half for now \:D

4:20 would be my goal pace also :woot:


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/14 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To be fair, I believe my issues are largely from leg alignment/posture. I see an orthopedic specialist tomorrow. And I expect he'll put me on a plan to straighten things out.

This calculator is a good way to estimate goal pace for different lengths. At least it's been fairly accurate for me:
http://www.runnersworld.com/tools/race-times-predictor


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/09/14 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm definitely happy with the time. I didn't take any electrolytes, never do. It wasn't really hot, I drink Propel and had plenty of water and Gatorade a few times at the aid stations. Plus I use Clif Bloks.

My energy levels and such were fine. But I think I have something not quite in alignment with my hips. Which is fine when you're talking half marathon type distances, but the longer you go the more it bothers it.

Stickaz you should totally go for a marathon, even if only once. My 2 have been 4:50 and 4:20. I'm glad to have done them, but am not eager in doing another one, it has been 1.5 years since my last one, guess it was long enough to forget how much it sucks. ;\)

Using that calculator and my half PR it says a 3:28 marathon, lol. A more recent and slower time says 3:49, so that's much closer at least.


Sir Ironpool
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12/09/14 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work guys.


I honestly think (and this is based on personal experience and the experiences of others) that the key to having a successful 26.2 where you don't hit the wall at 18-20 is to beef up your base mileage and do more middle-long distance runs. There is a reason that most advanced plans have runners doing 45 miles a week as a minimum. You need your body to be able to keep moving efficiently when it gets tired...or rather, push that point of breaking down out as far as possible. Personally, I think back to back long-ish runs is a great way to get there. 18 on Saturday followed by 13 on Sunday...something like that.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/09/14 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah I agree. I followed the Hal Higdon Marathon Advanced 1 plan, which did that. I found it odd that Saturday would be shorter than Sunday. Like 10 on Sat then 20 on Sun. I did a couple of 21 milers with 10's before that. Those runs suck just because they take hours to do lol.

I really find myself liking half marathons because it takes 2 hours or less to do when trained for it, generally longest run you do to train for it is 2 hours. Easier on the body and schedule.


SJP0tato
(Member)
12/09/14 06:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 15k this past Sunday: http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/647131334

Didn't turn out as well as I was hoping (1:09:48 chip time), I think I let the crowd at the beginning throw off my pace and I just never got into the groove after that.

Initially it didn't feel like I was straining hard at all, but I was passing people like crazy the first 1/3 mile despite being in the front 10% of the lead corral. I figured that meant I was going too fast, so I slowed some and didn't realize my mistake until the 1-mile mark. That and I remember it being super hot mid-point onwards (I think upper 60's by the halfway point).

It was a good learning experience though, I think I just need more practice with my pace the first ~2 miles or so under race conditions.
I'm starting up an abbreviated Jack Daniels half-marathon plan with the 11 weeks until my next race. I think I'm going to make it my last shot at the elusive 1:30 finish time, after which I'll move to base building for full marathon distance in the fall.


Design
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12/10/14 05:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got back from the Orthopedic Specialist. Yep, definitely the IT Band. The leg misalignment is constricting the band which in turn is pulling the left kneecap out of alignment (very slightly). Long story short, I get a shoe lift and a trip to the PT to work on loosing the band.

Otherwise he said things look great and I can continue training.


SJP0tato
(Member)
12/10/14 09:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Long story short, I get a shoe lift and a trip to the PT to work on loosing the band.

Otherwise he said things look great and I can continue training.


What do PTs usually do for IT band stuff? You'll have to fill us in if you can (I had some trouble last year, luckily foam rolling seemed to take care of it).

Glad you're able to keep up with training!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/11/14 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a fitness test this morning for work. Part of it is doing a 1.5 mile run, which for my age I have 10:16 to do it in. I did it in 9:54, which is my fastest one yet. I was pretty happy with that! I've done it 3 times so far and each time I get faster, 10:17, 10:00 and 9:54 today.

Next time when I'm 30 I'll have 10:46 to do it in, so looking forward to that!


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/14 10:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Got back from the Orthopedic Specialist. Yep, definitely the IT Band. The leg misalignment is constricting the band which in turn is pulling the left kneecap out of alignment (very slightly). Long story short, I get a shoe lift and a trip to the PT to work on loosing the band.

Otherwise he said things look great and I can continue training.


An instructor in the PT program at my school told me that foam rolling the IT bands is one of the best things you can do. It's agony at first, but it hurts less (and eventually not at all) as they loosen up. I haven't had IT issues since I started doing this. Now the pulled calf, that's a different story...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/14 11:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Design
Long story short, I get a shoe lift and a trip to the PT to work on loosing the band.

Otherwise he said things look great and I can continue training.


What do PTs usually do for IT band stuff? You'll have to fill us in if you can (I had some trouble last year, luckily foam rolling seemed to take care of it).

Glad you're able to keep up with training!


For mild issues like mine it's mostly targeted stretching. The exercise Gamby mentioned is one of the recommended activities. According to the doc, it becomes more important to monitor discomfort as we get into our 30's and 40's, before they create serious issues. He said these types of injuries are mostly preventable with the right maintenance program.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/18/14 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping this thread alive!

Wrapped up a 10K over the weekend for fun, did 6 miles Tuesday, and another 4.5 miles today. Gearing up for a 12-13 mile run tomorrow. So far things feel pretty good. Though the colder weather is causing the IT band to feel stiffer than usual.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/27/14 11:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

15 mile run to cap off 32 miles this week. I have been focusing heavily on posture & turnover and it seems to be making a difference in the later miles. Still keeping the longer runs conservative at 9-9:20 pace.

Tonight's 15 miler was only supposed to be 12-13. But I was feeling strong and decided to push the extra two at 8 min pace.

I have the LA Half Marathon next week. Plan to take it easy and keep things around a 9 min pace.

So far no major complaints from the IT band.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/15 04:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finished the New Year's LA Half Marathon last night. Holy crap there were a lot of hills. But managed to squeeze out a PR @ 1:49:46 in 48-50° temps.

#258 in a crowd of ~3,800. Stoked!


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/04/15 09:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! I just did a slow 12 mile run at 1:58, lol.

lessthanmike
(Major Member)
01/05/15 07:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been doing alot more longer trail running and finding out my handheld water bottle isn't enough and I don't like carrying anything.... what do you guys recommend for a vest.

SJP0tato
(Member)
01/05/15 07:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like the Nathan vests, I've been using this one for about a year now with no complaints: http://www.rei.com/product/850205/nathan-hpl-020-hydration-vest

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/15 11:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thinking of getting a vest for my longer runs. The running belt and water attachments make me feel like a dork.

And got a dose of reality tonight. Tried a 7x7 with each interval being a half mile @ 7:30 pace. Blew up after 5 of 7. On the plus side, training only requires I keep it under an 8:20 pace. I was able to finish out the last two after a brief walk. Going to try again next week.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/15 11:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love love love my Ultimate Direction SJ vest. I use these bottles in the front pockets and its perfect. No bouncing unlike the bottles it comes with.
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/Nathan_18_oz_SpeedDraw_Flask/descpage-NA18RF.html

I used it at Leadville for the entire race. Miles 1-40 I didnt use a bladder or bottles up front, I used handhelds and kept all my nutrition and supplies in the pack. I switched to poles for the rest of the race so I threw a bladder in the pack.

Tons of room for a jacket, gloves, body glide, salt tabs, baby wipes etc. All the stuff you need on a long run. \:D



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/15 12:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Interval training really is effective tho right? I need to get those back into my schedule. A lot more 'fun' IMO also compared to simply slugging out a given distance at a tempo effort (shudders)

But I guess it all depends what you are trying to accomplish


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/15 03:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I do enjoy the different workouts. My training usually consists of the following:

Mon - 5-6 mile interval or fartlek
Weds - 5-7 mile progression or tempo
Fri - 3-5 mile recovery run
Sat - long run

Fridays occasionally work in a longer distance for those dreaded back-to-back fatigued runs. And beginning in February, mid week mileage will add an extra 1-2 miles per session.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/15 09:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
Interval training really is effective tho right? I need to get those back into my schedule. A lot more 'fun' IMO also compared to simply slugging out a given distance at a tempo effort (shudders)

But I guess it all depends what you are trying to accomplish

I really like the interval training. It is nice to break a run up into segments at times. And it definitely helped improve my speed.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/15 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Feeling pretty good...55 miles since the start of the new year.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/15 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You crazy... damn legs are going to fall off.

30 so far with another 14-16 tomorrow.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/15 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On vacation, so kayaking, snorkeling, water polo and beach volleyball.

Probably still not enough to offset the booze even while eating decent.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/15 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
You crazy... damn legs are going to fall off.

30 so far with another 14-16 tomorrow.


My shin is bothering me a little. \:\(


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/15 08:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

16.4m YTD on my feet :flexes:

something is always bothering me a bit when I run lately, like just now my left top-of-the-kneecap barked at me and hurt a bit in the first mile or 2 of my epic 5-mile trot

going to substitue intervals for my long run this weekend also :nailedit:

I think the earlier posted 8x800m @ 7:30 pace would be good for me to shoot for. I'm sure I'll blow up somewhere in the middle \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/15 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had the same issue and it was the IT band, as you know. Cold weather makes it much, much worse. Foam roller, stretching and cushioned shoes seem to be a huge help.

I'd say if you're having some aches it might not be the time to start pushing too hard. Or maybe do at least a day of rest between each run.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
My shin is bothering me a little. \:\(


Is this the same recurring ache you've been talking about? Might be time to ease back a couple weeks and let that sucker heal.

(And let me catch up to you. \:D )


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/15 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh EVERY run something or other hurts a little somewhere I'm not too worried about it. went away and didn't come back. if it's not an ankle or a calf or my back or a knee or something something always feeling weird. trying to learn what is serious and what isn't I'm not worried about a little twinge here or there on a couple of strides \:D

I think its just being old as fuck and is normal

*knocks on wood* *whistles*


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/15 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
My shin is bothering me a little. \:\(


Is this the same recurring ache you've been talking about? Might be time to ease back a couple weeks and let that sucker heal.

(And let me catch up to you. \:D )


Ha!

It is in the same spot, but it hasn't been an issue for months now. It's probably just a little overuse nagging. Got a 50k out at Calico ghost town in 2 weeks...should be good by then.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 10:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Walt Disney World Marathon today. Finished in just under 4:40. Although that was for 26.6 due to a lot of running around people early on. Weather was pretty decent. Had a shot at DJ. 4:30 through 20 and then the wheels fell off.

My wife smoked me (again) and finished in 4:17. We ran together for 17 miles and then I told her to drop me because I knew I was holding her back.

No more fulls for me. Just not cut out to do it well and it sucks all the fun out of running.

Now off to Epcot to eat and drink beer.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 11:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
Walt Disney World Marathon today. Finished in just under 4:40. Although that was for 26.6 due to a lot of running around people early on. Weather was pretty decent. Had a shot at DJ. 4:30 through 20 and then the wheels fell off.

My wife smoked me (again) and finished in 4:17. We ran together for 17 miles and then I told her to drop me because I knew I was holding her back.

No more fulls for me. Just not cut out to do it well and it sucks all the fun out of running.

Now off to Epcot to eat and drink beer.


1. Congrats to you and your wife
2. Enjoy your well deserved food and drink!
3. How do you figure you ran an extra 0.4 miles weaving through crowds?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
Walt Disney World Marathon today. Finished in just under 4:40. Although that was for 26.6 due to a lot of running around people early on. Weather was pretty decent. Had a shot at DJ. 4:30 through 20 and then the wheels fell off.

My wife smoked me (again) and finished in 4:17. We ran together for 17 miles and then I told her to drop me because I knew I was holding her back.

No more fulls for me. Just not cut out to do it well and it sucks all the fun out of running.

Now off to Epcot to eat and drink beer.


1. Congrats to you and your wife
2. Enjoy your well deserved food and drink!
3. How do you figure you ran an extra 0.4 miles weaving through crowds?

My Garmin recorded 26.6. I could see it building up with each mile marker. My 1 mile split beeped just a few seconds prior to the 1 mile marker and the gap got bigger every mile.

Also I am pretty sure I read that a marathon course is required to measure 26.2 through the shortest line meaning you have to take perfect lines and hit the inside of every turn. There were a lot of turns on this course and that was not possible with the people around.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
Walt Disney World Marathon today. Finished in just under 4:40. Although that was for 26.6 due to a lot of running around people early on. Weather was pretty decent. Had a shot at DJ. 4:30 through 20 and then the wheels fell off.

My wife smoked me (again) and finished in 4:17. We ran together for 17 miles and then I told her to drop me because I knew I was holding her back.

No more fulls for me. Just not cut out to do it well and it sucks all the fun out of running.

Now off to Epcot to eat and drink beer.


1. Congrats to you and your wife
2. Enjoy your well deserved food and drink!
3. How do you figure you ran an extra 0.4 miles weaving through crowds?

My Garmin recorded 26.6. I could see it building up with each mile marker. My 1 mile split beeped just a few seconds prior to the 1 mile marker and the gap got bigger every mile.

Also I am pretty sure I read that a marathon course is required to measure 26.2 through the shortest line meaning you have to take perfect lines and hit the inside of every turn. There were a lot of turns on this course and that was not possible with the people around.


Yeah, but a GPS watch isn't as accurate as the course measurement tools either so you've got several types of 'errors' that may be compounding or balancing one another out.

In any event, congrats again! Any plans to work on half marathons in the future then?


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes. Half PR is about 1:57 and I am confident I can bring that down. I will never be fast but under 1:50 is definitely doable.

micah
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whoa... congrats to our marathoners!

Anyway, just wanted to pop in and post the log from my beer mile yesterday: http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671338005

Conditions were ~42F and sunny - perfect. I drank Shotgun Betty by Lone Rider. First beer went down in ~10 seconds and I was feeling good. Got halfway around before the next person left - a really hot and nice female triathlete somebody knew. Second beer... uh oh. This doesn't taste so good. Still left first. Third beer... oh geez... I don't want to do this anymore.

Finally got around and had the fourth beer. Hot tri lady was right on my tail and was drinking fast. After about 50 yards, I had to stop so as to not puke, and she passed me. I recovered and decided there was no choice but to go for it and I started sprinting. I was a quarter length behind her and knew I couldn't catch her but I was hoping to push her into puking. In a spectacular backfire, I pulled onto the grass about 50 yards short of the finish, and about 2 liters of beer foam came chundering out of my mouth. Everyone said I looked like one of those foaming soap dispensers. So I had to take a penalty lap, and I finished just after the second place guy. Ended up third out of a field of 6.

Fun thing to do with your friends if you have a track to use.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/11/15 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats on the marathon finish Ludite! As far as the distance, showing 26.6 isn't bad at all. My last one showed over 27, that was rough!

I know some people doing the half and full this weekend, I hear the Disney races are really good!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job cheese goggles, hey you finished man great job

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/15 10:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well done man. Bet you're glad to have that marathon behind you lol. Pig out, you've earned it!

But... holy crap, your wife smoked it!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/12/15 01:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job and congrats to our racers.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/15 09:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

btw cheesegoggles if u still remember can you comment on your nutrition plan/nutrition actual for the marathon? looks like you hit the wall around mile 17 was just curious for your thoughts on that /gracias

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/15 06:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm not sure if you're asking about what type of nutrition is required to avoid the wall... which sometimes isn't related to nutrition leading up to or during the race itself.

As Chris previously pointed out, and as I'm learning this time around, it has more to do with teaching the body how to run and burn energy while exhausted. A few back-to-back longer runs will teach the body to burn fat vs. depleting glycogen on the longer runs. I believe typical glycogen storage is only good for 16-20 miles, hence the wall faced by many of us.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/15 07:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job everyone, haven't been in here for awhile. Im grinding thru what feels like fatigue from over doing it last year. Hope to be back st it soon.

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/15 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
btw cheesegoggles if u still remember can you comment on your nutrition plan/nutrition actual for the marathon? looks like you hit the wall around mile 17 was just curious for your thoughts on that /gracias

So for long runs of more than ten miles my plan was usually breakfast 90 to 120 minutes prior to getting started. That was typically a bagel, fruit and coffee.

During my training runs this year I was eating Clif Blox. I decided I did not want to do gels because I wasn't crazy about them after about the first couple. But the Blox didnt treat me much better. I took them about every 45 minutes. And I still would start dragging after 15 or 16 miles.

Nutrition may have contributed but for me the other problem was shit just hurt. Knees hurt. Ankles hurt. Pretty sure I have a hernia and that hurt too. And as the runs got longer these things would remain sore long enough to interfere with the next run. So I can't say that better or different nutrition would have mattered.

For the actual marathon I had a bagel and a clif bar before the run. Coffee as well. I took two Clif bars with me with the plan to eat half of one at about 5,10,15 and 20 miles. I also knew that bananas would be provided in two locations. There was also water and Powerade almost every mile. But in the end my inability to do all the training as well as discomfort were the primary culprits.

My body just can't tolerate the volume required to train appropriately for 26.2.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/15 08:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nothing wrong with sticking to shorter races.

Lots of people just can't handle big mileage. I'm the only person in my family that's been able to continually train for marathon and greater distances without having issues. My dad and two brothers are all great athletes, but lots of running just beats them up.

Edit: and I agree with Kent...the wall has little to do with nutrition, at least on the physical level. Low energy may effect you mentally (and running a strong 26.2 is definitely staying mentally sharp and focusing on the task at hand) but if you've put in the proper training, your body should be able to perform without pumping a bunch of calories into it while running.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/14/15 09:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I take in minimal calories during training because I don't want to rely on it during races. I also do the occasional depletion run, basically bonking on purpose. I don't know if it works but I did a 22 mile race on sunday with only 2 gels and although it sucked for other reasons, I think it was plenty of calories.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Interdasting, thanks. I'm eyeing the Morgan hill marathon in oct or a half iron around the same time and am curious about newb/less professional experiences mainly (no offense to the last 2 posters) as I'm guessing my experience will be identical to cheese goggles \:D (assuming I can even finish )

In fact based on the abundant similarity between our runs I'd say my game plan would be just to go out and slam into that wall and own it at mile 17 heh and run/walk/cry from there until the pain finally stops lol


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're forgetting that neither Donnie not were ever runners prior to a few years ago. I've told my stories of falling apart in several marathons and every one of my IM runs. Donnie has his story of passing out on the trail a couple years ago.

No reason not to try and learn something from all of us that have experiences to pass on.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the biggest barrier for first time marathoners is trepidation of the weekly training mileage, and the potential for injury. For me, just getting to 20+ miles was a huge mental breakthrough. My only regret was not following the training plan more closely. I did follow Higdon's recommendation of not skipping the longer rungs. But I do wish I had incorporated the short (and often easy) run the day prior. And I do wish I had incorporated more speed training.

This time around the mental block is more about getting past the fear of injury, and just knocking out the mileage at the recommended pace. Stickaz - it sounds like you might go through a similar transition.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 01:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You're forgetting that neither Donnie not were ever runners prior to a few years ago. I've told my stories of falling apart in several marathons and every one of my IM runs. Donnie has his story of passing out on the trail a couple years ago.

No reason not to try and learn something from all of us that have experiences to pass on.



This is the biggest advice I can give, train to embrace the pain not avoid it.
Its going to hurt and suck no matter how much you train, expect it and go with it.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 01:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. \:D

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 03:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

not at all for sprinters
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/try-this-fast-one-hour-usrpt-workout-of-the-week/


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

i have no idea what that has to do with anything.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sprinting pushes your body

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
sprinting pushes your body



So sprints in the pool don't hurt?

And swimming has fuck-all to do with running. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea fortunately it has nothing to do with running. this was my counterpoint to 'pushing your body is supposed to hurt'. a 20-something second 100% effort/hypoxic explosion is like a release--it doesnt hurt

no, it doesnt. certainly not like your ultra stuff


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hmmm, whenever I did speedwork in the pool training for tris, those bastards hurt.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 05:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea on the pain scale its like a 1 on the 1 to what happens to marathon newbs at/about mile 17 being a 8 and natural childbirth to shaq jr. w/o pain meds being a 10 and whatever happens after mile 70 of an ultra I imagine is an 11

now does a USRPT workout for sprinters hurt? sure, but that isn't what I was talking about. Now we're up to maybe a 3-4


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/15/15 06:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To be honest I wouldnt say an ultra hurts any worse than a marathon...hell maybe it hurts less, it just hurts for alot longer.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/15 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My marathon recovery has typically been 1-2 days before most of the soreness is gone. It's not really something I feel on the track; that's more general fatigue.

I've learned that the cramping felt by some marathoners in the later miles is partly due to sodium loss. Electrolyte capsules or salt would probably address this problem, as it has for me. Cramping/soreness involved with recovery seems to happen after 30-60 minutes of inactivity.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/15 04:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, it sounds like you're expecting to fail Stickaz. Doesn't have to be that way with a good training plan. My first marathon last year was a learning experience but hardly a failure. I had one restroom stop and some general fatigue. But my mental state was rock solid from start to finish.

IMO most of the learning/failures happen during training. As I mentioned above, I kept cramping pretty bad around mile 15-17. Chris and others suggested Salt Tabs; solved my problem immediately. I'm sure you'll encounter and overcome your own roadblocks in training as well.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/15 08:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I hear you but in my narrative it's just easier to assume I'll be just like everyone else and blow up somewhere after 17 or so. I'm ok with that. If I do the right stuff and somehow avoid that amazeballs. But I think I'd rather just own that wall and accept it for marathon attempt 1.0 \:D







Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/17/15 03:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

LOL. \:D

In other news, capped off a good training week with a 17+ miler tonight (34 total). Changed the route in favor of hills. A LOT of hills. Time suffered a bit @ 2:46:46. But I'm thinking this is good prep work for LA.

The good news is that I felt strong the entire run, despite some aggressive hills spanning over a mile each. It allowed me to pick up the pace the last couple miles.


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/15 10:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. \:D

There are definitely different kinds of hurt. Running a hard 10k, pushing yourself through fatigue to the end, and feeling like you might pass out or puke at the end is fun. Running on joints that hurt because they need time to recover is not fun. At least not to me.

Anyway, my wife told me she wants me to do another full with her. I really don't want to, but told her if I got my half low enough I would consider it. Maybe if I get my half under 1:40. I doubt I am even capable of that so I should be safe


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/18/15 12:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just ran a half this morning in just under 1:52. Pretty happy about that considering I just started using kettlebells. On Thursday I did a leg exercise and this morning they still fucking hurt, right off the bat running hurt, so still being able to pull in under 2 hours was awesome. It helped that the weather was great and besides crossing 2 bridges twice there was no elevation, lol Florida.

The fun part was the mass start for a 5k, 5 miler, half-marathon, marathon and 50k. It was close to 2000 people all at once, lol. First mile was 10:24 just because of so many people.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/15 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. \:D

There are definitely different kinds of hurt. Running a hard 10k, pushing yourself through fatigue to the end, and feeling like you might pass out or puke at the end is fun. Running on joints that hurt because they need time to recover is not fun. At least not to me.

Anyway, my wife told me she wants me to do another full with her. I really don't want to, but told her if I got my half low enough I would consider it. Maybe if I get my half under 1:40. I doubt I am even capable of that so I should be safe


Of course...Im not talking about "doing serious damage" pain...just that of hard work, fatigue, and exhaustion. IMO the marathon is far from the end-all be-all of running. Plenty of other distances to challenge yourself. Have you tried running on trails? It can be a life changer.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/15 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This is a representation of how I felt on miles 8,9, and 10 just now


I thought I was past this point lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/15 10:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Capped off my biggest week in awhile with a moderate 13.5 miles tonight. 61.5 miles total. The shin is feeling better (been rolling it with my new Tiger Tail stick) and Im ready to taper this week for my 50k on Sunday. Plan on running every day (Im going for a year streak) but will keep it short and easy.

148 miles YTD.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/15 02:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Some good results guys.

Went and did a Spartan Race with a friend today. 5 miles, 1000+ ft of vert, and 26 obstacles. The only saving grace was that the weather was a nice 72. It was a real confidence booster being able to do some of the challenges without barely beating an eyelash, while those around me looked like they wanted to die. Carrying a 60lb sandbag 1/8 mile uphill should have been much worse than it really was.

That said, there were a couple of strength based obstacles - such as the rope climb - that I look to as opportunities lol. It was a good reminder that I was wanting to build in a few more free weight exercises into my routine. \:D


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/15 09:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Ludite Fanboi
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. \:D

There are definitely different kinds of hurt. Running a hard 10k, pushing yourself through fatigue to the end, and feeling like you might pass out or puke at the end is fun. Running on joints that hurt because they need time to recover is not fun. At least not to me.

Anyway, my wife told me she wants me to do another full with her. I really don't want to, but told her if I got my half low enough I would consider it. Maybe if I get my half under 1:40. I doubt I am even capable of that so I should be safe


Of course...Im not talking about "doing serious damage" pain...just that of hard work, fatigue, and exhaustion. IMO the marathon is far from the end-all be-all of running. Plenty of other distances to challenge yourself. Have you tried running on trails? It can be a life changer.

I would love to run on trails but they just aren't convenient. Spending 40-60 minutes in the car round trip to go run when I can just walk out the door in run isn't a good use of my time even if I would enjoy it. Maybe when my daughter is older.

Trail running would also introduce all kinds of new ways for me to hurt myself.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/25/15 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to post here instead of my other thread for the half I ran today. Considering a half is far from an ultra. ;\) So I ran the Miami Half-Marathon today, along with 13 thousand other people. It was a nice course with perfect weather, high hit 55, started around 40 is my guess. Ran through Miami and Miami Beach, was neat to see the cruise ships, as I've never been on a cruise nor seen one of those boats semi-up close like that, wow. they're large, lol.

I ran in a pair of shoes I bought yesterday and hated. So I returned them for different shoes. My last 2 shoes have been Brooks PureConnect3 and Altra The One 2. Both of them give me pain in my right big toe that then goes down into the ball of my foot behind my big toe. Trying to figure out a different shoe that helps. So I got a stability shoe, New Balance 1340v2 and they felt good in the store, but within a mile of the race they were really hurting the balls of my feet. I ended up with a blister on my left foot, which is my first running blister ever. So I returned them for the Saucony Cortana 4. These felt good in the store as well, we'll see what happens this week with them. I am debating on trying the Altra Repetition or Provision, as they're stability shoes with high/medium cushioning. I do like the size of the Altra, just The One 2's aren't the best for me. However, the running store I go to doesn't carry those shoes, so I might check another store.

The race itself went well with me finishing in 1:48:59 officially, which is my 2nd fastest half. I was happy with running that strong on sore feet and bad shoes, lol. My last 4 miles were: 8:09, 7:54, 7:47, 7:35. Pretty happy about finishing strong, my 3 fastest miles were the last 3 and each was faster than the last. So that was nice. Now I have until March 1st for my next half.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/15 07:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man. Nice times!

Wrapped up another big training week @ 34.75 miles. Friday's 16 mile run followed a moderate 6.75 miler the day prior. Lots and lots of hills too. I think my calves have had enough lol.

I have one interval session tonight. The rest of the week is all slow runs to soak up the previous weeks of heavy training.

7 weeks until LA Marathon.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/15 07:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great day on a tough 50k course in the Mojave Desert. 13th OA, 2nd 30-39 AG. Not my fastest 50k, but I managed a 5:23.



Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/25/15 07:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like a nice week Design!

And as usual Ironmom is killing it! 13th is nuts. Well, unless that's out of 13.

But seriously man you rocked that race! Makes my race today feel slow lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/15 10:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Sounds like a nice week Design!

And as usual Ironmom is killing it! 13th is nuts. Well, unless that's out of 13.

But seriously man you rocked that race! Makes my race today feel slow lol.


Hehe \:D

13/100 overall, 2/16 AG.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/15 10:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You are a beast dude. Nice work.

I decided to skip my interval training tonight in favor of resting my right calf. Going to ice and resume tomorrow.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/15 04:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats ironmom on a great run my strava stalking suggests those first 10 miles were pretty ballsy \:o \:o

I did some light hill repeats last night after surfing , it beat me up pretty good and I was slow as fuck

however the surfing was off-the-chain [8-12'] and it was a non-stop fight to keep up with the current off the pt


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/15 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, the first 17 miles were basically a continual steady climb. I took it pretty easy. Once at the top there were some technical downhills then some PITA rolling terrain through a Mars-like landscape for the last 8 miles.

Lucky for me I ran those last miles with 2nd place female...who was hot as hell and cursed like a sailor. That made the miles roll on by.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/15 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/15 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



You guys are killing me.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/26/15 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck those little bumps at the end.



Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/27/15 06:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone ever run in Altra Provision or Repetition shoes before? Interested in looking at some level of stability shoe. I just got a pair of Saucony Cortana and will run in them tomorrow for the first time, so we'll see how they go. I do like the zero drop and large toe box on the Altra's I do have (The One) but they don't support my foot the way I'd like.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Never had to use any support/stability shoes, but I've had 3 pairs of Olympus' and am currently running in the Instinct 2.0's. I love them. Since I'm now getting the hookup on Pearl Izumis I likely won't buy many other pairs, but the Olympus 1.5 just came out and they look real good.

SJP0tato
(Member)
01/27/15 07:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boring 1:30 half-marathon goal update:

I've moved up from 30-33 MPW to 45-50 in the past 2 months. I started running everyday since my last race, tomorrow will be day #50 in a row at a minimum of 5-miles per session (my personal best, next closest is maybe 8 days in a row).

I'm finishing up Jack Daniel's phase 3 this week. I've spent 4-weeks in phase 2, 4-weeks in phase 3, and I'll spend 4-weeks in phase 4 into my race next month. (From this book: http://www.amazon.com/Daniels-Running-Fo...sin=B00F0X7U2S)

Feeling pretty strong, I feel confident hopeful about holding a 6:45-6:50 pace for my half to come in under my 1:30 goal. I'm debating doing a 10k on Feb 8th as a rust buster and to get more experience racing in general as a lead-in to my race on Feb 28. I could practice running at/slightly faster than my goal pace and see how it goes... think I just talked myself into it. \:\)

For my easy and long days I've been sticking with my GT-2000 2's:
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_GT_2000_2/descpage-A2K2M3.html
but for my speedwork days I tried switching to something a little bit lighter, Gel Electro33:
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_Gel_Electro33/descpage-AEL33M1.html

I "think" I'm going to use the Electros for the actual race. They do feel a bit lighter, definitely less cushy. I'm hoping that might help out a little bit to hit my goal too.

Anywho, just my $0.02
Any advice/suggestions are appreciated as always!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick dude

Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/27/15 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How heavy does the Olympus feel? They show at 11oz and the Repetition is 11.1oz. I was worried they might feel heavy and not have good air flow. The 1340's I did the race in are 13.1oz and I could feel that they were a heavy show and in 50 degree weather my feet were hot. Makes me tepid to try them, the Provision is 9.8oz which is much better but nothing compared to The One which is a whole 5.9oz and feels like nothing.

SJ, great job man! A 1:30 half is ridiculous to me, lol. Get into a smaller race and you could even win it with that kind of pace.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


This fool right here...doing it right. Wanna be fast? Train hard and fast.

Oh, and I say you deserve some racing flats. When I ran my PR half, 5k and 10ks I did them in racing flats. I rarely trained in them so I felt way faster on race day with those 6oz suckers on my feet. You might be sore afterwards, but the glory will make up for it. \:D

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Boring 1:30 half-marathon goal update:

I've moved up from 30-33 MPW to 45-50 in the past 2 months. I started running everyday since my last race, tomorrow will be day #50 in a row at a minimum of 5-miles per session (my personal best, next closest is maybe 8 days in a row).

I'm finishing up Jack Daniel's phase 3 this week. I've spent 4-weeks in phase 2, 4-weeks in phase 3, and I'll spend 4-weeks in phase 4 into my race next month. (From this book: http://www.amazon.com/Daniels-Running-Fo...sin=B00F0X7U2S)

Feeling pretty strong, I feel confident hopeful about holding a 6:45-6:50 pace for my half to come in under my 1:30 goal. I'm debating doing a 10k on Feb 8th as a rust buster and to get more experience racing in general as a lead-in to my race on Feb 28. I could practice running at/slightly faster than my goal pace and see how it goes... think I just talked myself into it. \:\)

For my easy and long days I've been sticking with my GT-2000 2's:
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_GT_2000_2/descpage-A2K2M3.html
but for my speedwork days I tried switching to something a little bit lighter, Gel Electro33:
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_Gel_Electro33/descpage-AEL33M1.html

I "think" I'm going to use the Electros for the actual race. They do feel a bit lighter, definitely less cushy. I'm hoping that might help out a little bit to hit my goal too.

Anywho, just my $0.02
Any advice/suggestions are appreciated as always!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 08:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
How heavy does the Olympus feel? They show at 11oz and the Repetition is 11.1oz. I was worried they might feel heavy and not have good air flow. The 1340's I did the race in are 13.1oz and I could feel that they were a heavy show and in 50 degree weather my feet were hot. Makes me tepid to try them, the Provision is 9.8oz which is much better but nothing compared to The One which is a whole 5.9oz and feels like nothing.

SJ, great job man! A 1:30 half is ridiculous to me, lol. Get into a smaller race and you could even win it with that kind of pace.


They aren't noticeably heavy at all to me...of course I wear them when I do longer miles on the trail, never on the road, so my paces are generally slower. The lack of fatigue of soreness after a hard effort was worth any weight penalty. I wore two pairs at Leadville as well as my 50 miler at TNF.

If I were in the market for a cushioned road shoe Id absolutely be looking at the Hoka Conquest. I've heard notothing but great things about them.


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/27/15 09:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys, yeah if I could nail 1:29:30 it'd have netted a cool 13/14th place finish in my last small half (maybe 600 people total in the half).
The Phoenix half marathon coming up has a ton of racers and top talent, so I'd probably be lucky to be near 50th place (but I'd be happy to take it). \:\)

Ironmom: good call with the racing flats, I know almost nothing about 'em. I'll have to swing by the running store & see what they've got, any suggestions?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 09:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran in the KSwiss flats, but I don't think they're making them anymore. Id look at the Brooks T7, or the Aasics Hyper Speed (since you already run in their shoes). Anything in the 6oz range you'll notice a difference. Oh, and generally they should fit snug.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 09:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1:30 is an awesome benchmark! I think you've got it no problem. The 1/2 is short enough that you can really ride that race day excitement for most of the race...then you just gotta hang on, lol.

Damn...all this talk makes me want to sign up for one. It was 2 years ago when I raced my last one, and I came up just short at 1:30:29.


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/27/15 09:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
1:30 is an awesome benchmark! I think you've got it no problem. The 1/2 is short enough that you can really ride that race day excitement for most of the race...then you just gotta hang on, lol.

Damn...all this talk makes me want to sign up for one. It was 2 years ago when I raced my last one, and I came up just short at 1:30:29.


Do it! It's the longest distance (well, only distance actually) I've raced, but it feels like you can go out decently fast, give it 99.9% effort, and make it to the end still alive. \:\)

That said I'm looking at bumping up to full marathon distance training over the summer, to try my first one late this fall when things cool down again. Hoping it'll be as much fun as the past 1.5 years building up the half has been. I have a "secret" goal of one day finishing under 3 hours, but I can't even make the claim until after I run my first and see how it shakes out.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/27/15 10:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, it's good to have goals to keep reaching for. \:\) the marathon is fun to race too...just requires a whole different plan of attack.

I don't think I'll be looking to better my 3:08 PR at Boston, but I would like to requalify...and I'll have aged up to 40 by then so I get an extra 5 minutes. \:D


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/28/15 09:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for the info on the shoes. I tried on a pair of Hoka's at the running store but the toe box wasn't wide enough, and it bugged me to feel it on the side of my foot, lol.

I also ran in Injinji socks for the first time yesterday. I kinda like them once they wore in a little, at first I could feel it under my one toe but then they smoothed out or whatever and felt pretty good.

Will be trying out the Saucony Cortana tonight so hopefully the run goes well!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 01:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sub-1:30 is an awesome goal. You guys would totally kill it. Chris - if you go for a half be sure to hit me up. No, I won't run your pace but would love to join in one of your "sensible" races. \:D


I had been mentioning that my right calf was hurting the last week or so. Turns out the shoe lift is to blame. Getting some pops on the right hip/knee (normal) but it's aggravating the IT band too much with the heavy mileage. So I was recommended to ditch the shoe lift until the marathon is done. Ran an easy three miles yesterday and things are feeling a lot better. Will report back at the end of the week.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just in case any "slow types" are reading I'll push this thread the other direction.

5 mile jog yesterday, no biggee, over little woopty-do hills [20' or so?] probably about 18 net climbs. strava recorded zero elevation [net elevation was flat but it was kinda like a stadium workout, pinky-swear] Worried about my SF 1/2 in ~8 weeks so I figure any hill stuff is something I should do [san jose is flat as fuck]

anyways: dun-dun-dun

averaged ~9:50/mile pace and I was working pretty hard (!) lol
was trying to follow the hal-higdon 1/2 interm. guide for my 'slow tues' run. Probably should have worn an HRM but I'm sure I blew the guideline for 'slow' and went to fast[HR/effort based].

anyways what surprises me was how hard it was to do those little bitchy hills hahah

/slowest person in thread


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 06:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Probably going to try to run this weekend. Had some issues from my marathon. Or maybe from walking all over Disney World for six straight days after immediately following the marathon. Anyway, diagnosed myself with shin splints but seem almost ready.

Work will be crazy busy until mid March. Then need to start training for a half.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 07:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thats fine, just dont put up any ridiculous 5k's and we can still be strava buddies \:\|

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 08:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
thats fine, just dont put up any ridiculous 5k's and we can still be strava buddies \:\|

Oh no that will definitely part of the plan


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/28/15 09:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Every time I try to PR a 5k some bullshit or other happens on mile 1, wtf. Like I go out too fast, something starts hurting, oh look a squirrel, etc

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 10:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've never tried a fast 5K. I would think it would be horrible and I'd be terrible at it. It's not a pace I've ever run at.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's SUCKS! Lol, you feel like you're going to die from start to finish.

I ran my 5k PR 2 years ago at the race they have the day before the Boston Marathon. It's on the flat streets around the finish line. Only race where I came close to puking!


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 11:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I will continue not to do it \:\)

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Or just do it like I do, always find some reason to glance down at your gps watch and go 'yeah, I'm too far off my pr pace now, pointless' and roll it into some mile repeats

*i don't want to admit how many times that has happened to me


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01/29/15 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

A running group had weekly 5kms with a beer at the end in my last city. STopwatch timing, but the same course every week(well unless there were detours). I skipped it 75% of the time, but I did it here and there. It was fun to look forward to and improve. $5 for the race/beer, and drawings most week with schwag(I think I got a water bottle, woot).

I wish I could find that in this city.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We have a couple groups out here for that. The big one in OC is Snail's Pace. But I'm way too busy to join until maybe Summer. Everyone I have met from that group has been super chill.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
Or just do it like I do, always find some reason to glance down at your gps watch and go 'yeah, I'm too far off my pr pace now, pointless' and roll it into some mile repeats

*i don't want to admit how many times that has happened to me


The one time I ran a 48:XX 10k, I just started running, noted my pace was just over 5:00/km, so I upped it a touch and aimed for a 4:50 or so pace.

In winter, not sure if it's traction based (slippery even with spikes), fatigue based, or just shitty do to extra clothing, I'm not able to sustain a 5:00 pace for long periods.

I tend to just run to how I feel. I have wild swings some days. Ran 7.5 miles pretty easily yesterday, the day after heavy squats with some very sore legs. But on Sunday, the same run, I struggled the entire time.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

not that I have any business comparing myself to someone with a gold medal and a 5k PR of like 13:00 there's always this attitude to consider...


 Quote:

"I haven't seen too many American distance men on the international scene willing to take risks. I saw some U.S. women in Barcelona willing to risk, more than men. The Kenyans risk. Steve Prefontaine risked. I risked--I went through the first half of the Tokyo race just a second off my best 5000 time."
Billy Mills, gold medal winner of the 10,000 at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics with a 46-second PR.


[I'd love to break 50:00 in a 10k heh, screw this 27/28 minute stuff lol]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 05:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pre was the fucking man.

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01/29/15 05:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

could just do what I did on my 10k informal attempt, do the math wrong and stop running at 6.1miles....
Doh


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've always been more interested in Mills. Pure emotion, and all that shit he had to go through to even become an athlete let alone stay one

plus his last act was a WR not DD \:\|


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Both are legends, but Pre's stache and hair put him over the top for me. \:D

Rod Dixon is my latest hero though:


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Amazing!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llfcZUyTJGA


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/29/15 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

didnt you just describe like 50% of the male 30-44 population in Oregon?

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01/29/15 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
didnt you just describe like 50% of the male 30-44 population in Oregon?

100% baby!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/31/15 12:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Is it sad that I haven't heard of half these runners? Yep, still a complete noob here.

Wrapped up another week with an 11 mile run @ 96:22. Missed Sunday's training day and half of Tuesday's. But tonight felt great. Next week's mileage will kick up to 38-40. So far the legs are holding up fine. Will report back next week.


Rudi
(Member)
01/31/15 01:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any good ideas on how to go faster downhill without knees killing the next day? I generally use the the downhill to catch my breath after a steep incline and go at a slow pace. On a new route i discovered it goes from flat terrain to steep downhill. Strategies? Techniques? Or just tell me im getting older and deal with knee pain or going slow lol?

SJP0tato
(Member)
01/31/15 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rudi
Any good ideas on how to go faster downhill without knees killing the next day?


How's your cadence on the downhill sections? I've noticed it's so much easier to drop my turnover on downhills, which causes more pounding on my feet/knees/legs. I have to force myself to keep my turnover high for the first 1/3 of downhill sections until things settle in. Then it sort of feels like gliding down the hill instead of striding down it, if that makes sense.

Not sure if that's what you're already doing, but if not, try to focus on keeping your turnover high (higher even than on flat ground) to minimize the force on your knees.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/31/15 09:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rudi
Any good ideas on how to go faster downhill without knees killing the next day? I generally use the the downhill to catch my breath after a steep incline and go at a slow pace. On a new route i discovered it goes from flat terrain to steep downhill. Strategies? Techniques? Or just tell me im getting older and deal with knee pain or going slow lol?


One thing that made me a far better downhill runner was to stop braking with my legs. I wasnt letting gravity work with me and would fight it by leaning back and letting my legs take the blow.
Try getting your shoulders out over/forward of your hips and focus on letting gravity do the work for you.


Rudi
(Member)
01/31/15 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll try bringing my shoulders forward and increasing cadence. I think my issue is that I'm shortening my stride, decreasing cadence, and bringing my shoulders back. I'll give this a shot and see how it goes

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/15 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How did everyone's January shake out? Hit your goals?

I didn't have a mileage goal in mind, but managed to get my 3rd biggest mileage month at 221 I've 32 runs. Should be a good start to this push to get ready for my 50k the first of March and the big dance at Boston 5 weeks later.

Definitely gotta clean up the diet though...I stepped on the scale for the first time in a long while and didn't like what I saw.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/15 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Didn't really have a goal either. But I hit 125 miles which I think is my biggest month ever. February is probably going to be even bigger providing I don't get injured (140+).

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/15 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jan I did 65 running, 72 biking, about 5 masters workouts [swim] and 3 days of surfing [also was out of the country for ~2 weeks in Jan, but got a couple jogs in then]

I look forward to further mediocrity in Feb and then in Mar I have the SF 1/2 marathon which continues to terrify me [vert for this noob]
also my first olympic tri is in april which is also terrifying me--mostly the swim at fuck-you o'clock in half moon bay at fuck-you temperature and nope-nope-nope visibility. I dont mind swimming a mile..or 2...or 3. I mind greatly swimming in the dark at fuck-u o'clock at polar temps \:\|


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/02/15 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My Jan turned out pretty solid: got in 4 good weeks with 3x quality days each for a total of 217 miles (my highest ever in 31 total runs).
Now I've got 4 weeks of Jack Daniels stage-4 (easier than stage 3) and taper into my last half of this season at the end of Feb.

My legs are feeling a little rough, but I think that's to be expected immediately after the previous stage.
The next couple weeks focus mainly on threshold/tempo runs to lock in race pace, then the taper. I'm sure after a few weeks of that I'll feel more confidence.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/02/15 11:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
My Jan turned out pretty solid: got in 4 good weeks with 3x quality days each for a total of 217 miles (my highest ever in 31 total runs).
Now I've got 4 weeks of Jack Daniels stage-4 (easier than stage 3) and taper into my last half of this season at the end of Feb.

My legs are feeling a little rough, but I think that's to be expected immediately after the previous stage.
The next couple weeks focus mainly on threshold/tempo runs to lock in race pace, then the taper. I'm sure after a few weeks of that I'll feel more confidence.


Solid work man. Yeah, the legs will definitely feel it over the next couple weeks as you continue to ramp it up, but if you take the taper seriously, you'll be ready to rock in your race.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/03/15 09:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man you hit 217 miles in one month training for a half? That's a serious amount of mileage, I hit 207 back in November peaking for a full marathon lol.

I had to do 10 miles on a treadmill on Sunday, first time I ran on one for quite some time and it was horrible, lol.

I ended January with 115 miles ran and 184 miles biked. 299.89 officially, lol.


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/03/15 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I had to do 10 miles on a treadmill on Sunday, first time I ran on one for quite some time and it was horrible, lol.

I ended January with 115 miles ran and 184 miles biked. 299.89 officially, lol.


I'm not sure how I'd handle 10 miles on a treadmill, the most I do is maybe 6 or so. I've found the only way I can stand it is to completely zone out and think about as little as possible.
Even listening to music makes it feel like it takes 10x longer.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/03/15 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I was doing it at my place and watched The Other Guys while doing it. So that made it bearable. However, it being in a house in PA and the heat on was annoying. Heat would turn on and blow DIRECTLY on me! I had to open the door to the sub 30 degree air, lol.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/15 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Netflix + treadmill = win. I've been able to survive up to 23 miles doing that.


The last two training sessions were productive. Finally nailed my elusive 5x1000 meter @ my 5K pace Sunday. Then did my 7.5 mile tempo run at my 10K pace last night.

My next session is honestly scaring me. An 8 miler at marathon pace, followed by a "fast" 18 miler the following day on hills. Mentally I just feel unprepared. Worried I'll either blow up or get injured. But I've been sticking to the plan so far. And I guess this session is supposed to teach me how to run when tired.

*fingers crossed*


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/04/15 07:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
The last two training sessions were productive. Finally nailed my elusive 5x1000 meter @ my 5K pace Sunday. Then did my 7.5 mile tempo run at my 10K pace last night.


Sounds like good sessions, nothing feels as good as nailing a workout!

That being said, today was the hardest quality session I've had so far:
(3x 5min @ 6:50 w/ 1-min rests) + (3x 3min @ 6:20 w/ 2-min rests) + (3x 400m @ 5:55 w/ 400m jogging rests)

By the last set I was so winded I couldn't really hold pace for 400m for the first two intervals. :-/
Felt beat to a pulp afterwards... hoping it adds up. \:\)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/04/15 11:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work man. Humble to admit I'm feeling pretty beat as well. Not 50 consecutive days kinda beat but much more tender than the last time I trained for this.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/15 01:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im a slacker. \:\(

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/15 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Nice work man. Humble to admit I'm feeling pretty beat as well. Not 50 consecutive days kinda beat but much more tender than the last time I trained for this.


I did 400 consecutive days once and my good friend did over 1,200 or 1,300. I don't recall the exact number but it was over three years of running at least 27 minutes every single day. He had great stories about running in airport parking lots or remembering he hadn't run at 11:00pm and pulling over on a road trip to run laps in a truck stop. His worst runs included 27 minutes after finishing his first 100 mile and running with food poisoning - he had to go back and forth on the block in front of his apartment so the bathroom was never more than 50 yards away.

Anyway, streak running is nutty and I have lots of respect for some of those 40+ year folks. But sometimes it's sad like that guy in Miami who's run the same course every day for decades. He's so tied to it now he can never travel anywhere. He never has more than 24 hours to be away from his neighborhood.


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/05/15 09:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Anyway, streak running is nutty and I have lots of respect for some of those 40+ year folks. But sometimes it's sad like that guy in Miami who's run the same course every day for decades. He's so tied to it now he can never travel anywhere. He never has more than 24 hours to be away from his neighborhood.


Institutionalized...


Yeah I'm not sure when I'll stop the streak, maybe/probably after the next race and add a little more variety (biking, maybe finally getting started swimming).


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/05/15 10:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody see this and wish they had a couple grand to do it? \:\)

http://www.robkrarultracamp.com/


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 09:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Anybody see this and wish they had a couple grand to do it? \:\)

http://www.robkrarultracamp.com/

I'm sure it'll be fun but I think paying $2,000 to run around on the trails for a week falls firmly in the "if I ever won the lottery and suddenly had a lot more free time" camp

IMO if your goal is to improve you're better off hiring a coach for that money. If your goal is to go run with friends than you don't need a camp, you can just go run with friends.

The "best" reason I can come up with is people really want to spend a week hanging out with Rob Krar or Geoff Roes or whoever. And while they're both super nice guys I'd feel weird about paying $2K to hang out with somebody


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/06/15 10:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think for people that are newer to trail running can get a lot of out it. It is also capped at 20 people, so I'm sure they'll have no problem filling it. For someone like me that only runs roads in Florida that's a very different thing. Or if you live in a big city and want to get away, why not run with Rob Krar for a week? Perhaps you can gain his knowledge and start winning 100's? Lol.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 10:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I think for people that are newer to trail running can get a lot of out it. It is also capped at 20 people, so I'm sure they'll have no problem filling it. For someone like me that only runs roads in Florida that's a very different thing. Or if you live in a big city and want to get away, why not run with Rob Krar for a week? Perhaps you can gain his knowledge and start winning 100's? Lol.


Good point. You're the perfect candidate. Guy from Florida who's fit and able to run a few hours at a time and wants to run on some sweet trails.
I think someone newer to trail running would only make sense if they had the fitness for big runs. Otherwise you're paying $2,000 to go out and do 3 miles a day


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(


I'm afraid you and Ironmom are doomed to wander the baby faced deserts alone (or together) \:\)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/06/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah I am a good candidate, I'd just be nerding out the whole time, lol. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even be considered a man standing next to Rob's beard. I mean it has its own Twitter account after all. I did decide to start growing a moustache though, and it looks ridiculously bad lol.

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02/06/15 01:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

When it comes to beards, this is where I excel, so much more so than actually running.

Jan: 25 SLOW road miles on the feet, no pain
Cycling: 96miles

Figure my goals are very modest for '15. Simply being able to run every week. So more emphasis on caring for my feet, less on stubbornly doing miles.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 02:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(


I'm afraid you and Ironmom are doomed to wander the baby faced deserts alone (or together) \:\)


Oh, I can grow a beard, it's just that the ladies in my life (wife, daughters, Donnie) don't like the scratchiness. \:\(


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 02:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(


I'm afraid you and Ironmom are doomed to wander the baby faced deserts alone (or together) \:\)


Oh, I can grow a beard, it's just that the ladies in my life (wife, daughters, Donnie) don't like the scratchiness. \:\(


The ladies in my life say the same thing...and yet here we are \:\)


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02/06/15 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(


I'm afraid you and Ironmom are doomed to wander the baby faced deserts alone (or together) \:\)


Oh, I can grow a beard, it's just that the ladies in my life (wife, daughters, Donnie) don't like the scratchiness. \:\(


The ladies in my life say the same thing...and yet here we are \:\)

amen brother (technically I'm only allowed the beard 6 months of the year before she dumps me tho.../balls in a box)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Will he teach me how to grow a beard. \:\(


I'm afraid you and Ironmom are doomed to wander the baby faced deserts alone (or together) \:\)


Oh, I can grow a beard, it's just that the ladies in my life (wife, daughters, Donnie) don't like the scratchiness. \:\(


The ladies in my life say the same thing...and yet here we are \:\)

amen brother (technically I'm only allowed the beard 6 months of the year before she dumps me tho.../balls in a box)


Technically I have a gentleman's agreement to trim it down when the weather warms up as well. But we need not mention these clauses for we are masters of our own domain \:\|


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/15 11:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You guys.




Whelp, I did it. Got to 20 miles in just over 3 hours with 1876 ft cumulative elevation change, according to Runkeeper. I was cruising at a mid-9 mile pace until mile 12, where training requires me to then run at my 10K pace for 3 miles. It was a huge mental breakthrough. And I now understand why many of you guys preach race pace throughout training.

Took a gel shot and salt tab every 5 miles. Stopped 3 times to refill water. Numerous stops at traffic lights. But overall I'm feeling pretty stoked.

One thing I noticed was that around mile 19 my right glute muscle began to cramp a bit. It wasn't bad but I'm worried it might get worse in those last 6 miles on race day. Calves are a little cramped but overall the body feels pretty good.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/15 12:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Kent!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/07/15 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job Kent!




Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/15 09:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Knocked out 4 miles today for my first run since the marathon four weeks ago. Pace was 9:11 and felt decent. Probably did myself no favors having pizza, beer and Oreos for dinner last night.

The next four weeks will be extremely busy at work and the plan is just to get in three runs per week even if they are short. Then I will try to find an event or two to train for - a 5k and a half maybe.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/08/15 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm about ~7 weeks out from my SF 1/2 and am completely off-the-reservation in terms of following the Higdon intermediate 1/2 plan. I think he has the 'long run' at like 7 or 8 miles this week. Meh. The only time I ever 'raced' a half my legs gave out around mile 10...so I figure I have to extend my runs at this point before I start my taper-thingy. [lol]

I was aiming for ~14 miles, but a code brown during mile 3 got in my way. Still this is only like the 3rd or 4th time I've been over the 1/2 distance. Tried to go at long/slow pace, was aiming for 10:30/miles heh #nailed_it

I didnt collapse into a pile after and legs felt relatively good. no weird cramping, this is the day after and I'm still pretty much ok. Sorta feel like I could run a bit heh [will get in a bike ride if the rain backs off]



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/15 01:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys. But I now have a horrible mental picture Stickaz.

Also, I think it's totally fine to do longer weekend mileage as long as we can hit the recommended targets for the interval/tempo runs during the week. Perhaps the other guys can chime in with their opinions.


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/11/15 08:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've got one week left until I start my half-taper (last workout is Wed of next week).
Today's workout felt really good: 6 x (5min @ 6:45 w/ 1min rest)
For the most of the repeats I kept wanting to go a little faster, so I think that's a good sign I'll be able to hold the 6:45-6:50 for the entire half.</feelsGoodMan>

At the very least, I feel much more prepared now than I did 3 months ago. I'm pretty happy with the Jack Daniels training because it gives measurable pace targets for the training throughout the plan and gives room for improvement. Without any kind of real background with running (just started like 1.5 years ago in my mid 30's) with other training plans I never really knew what tempo/medium/hard effort paces were.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 12:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome progress man.

I'm in the same boat. Even if things go sideways on race day I've learned more about the different plans & approaches than I ever though possible. This time around I feel I've trained harder and smarter with the results to back it up.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck to all your road runners. I was just talking to a running friend last night and admitted that I'm afraid of running a road marathon and ending up slower than my girlfriend because there's just no place to hide or valid excuses. At least with my dumb races I can blame it on hills or technical terrain or whatever.

I have a lot of respect for you folks who just go out and thrash yourself to pieces


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/11/15 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any running is good running. I mostly do roads because of convenience and, also, Florida, that pretty much explains it.

I respect you guys who go running up and down mountains everyday. ;\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 02:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I'm going to go ahead and say NOPE to runs that even have 4 digits of elevation in it. I feel like Rocky [not making this up] if I can climb this ~800' cliff in Pacifica after a surf on an uber slow pace [12:00 miles] without switching to a walk anywhere up it. It basically takes everything I've got to hit that one hill \:\|

not that I'm fast when it's flat lol


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I feel like Rocky [not making this up] if I can climb this ~800' cliff in Pacifica after a surf on an uber slow pace [12:00 miles] without switching to a walk anywhere up it. It basically takes everything I've got to hit that one hill \:\|


And that's why you balls out road guys are so impressive. If you hit that 800' hill on a trail ultra you'd walk every step of it and maybe have a tent at the summit where you can rest with a bean and cheese burrito or fresh pancakes while volunteers work on your feet


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 03:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I feel like Rocky [not making this up] if I can climb this ~800' cliff in Pacifica after a surf on an uber slow pace [12:00 miles] without switching to a walk anywhere up it. It basically takes everything I've got to hit that one hill \:\|


And that's why you balls out road guys are so impressive. If you hit that 800' hill on a trail ultra you'd walk every step of it and maybe have a tent at the summit where you can rest with a bean and cheese burrito or fresh pancakes while volunteers work on your feet


Aint nobody got time to walk hills!
*Looks at list of DNF's*
Hmmmmm...


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just in case you think I'm full of shit

https://www.strava.com/activities/248808473

it's like a 4-mile warmup to some serious bullshit \:\| I'm sure the run-down part first isn't doing me any favors either [fat/slow]

a careful eye will see I "nope'd" it around mile 5.2 for about 45 seconds


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 04:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah...2k feet on a 12 mile trail run: no big deal.

200ft climb at mile 19 of a road marathon: fuuuuuuuuu!


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Aint nobody got time to walk hills!
*Looks at list of DNF's*
Hmmmmm...


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

but *looks at list of my own slow as balls finish times*



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 05:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

From my 20 miler last week. Not the same but you get the picture.



**DONOTDELETE**
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02/11/15 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I've literally ran 100 feet of elevation all year, and that's from hitting one bridge on 4 different runs.


I mean I can see 11k of vert right now, but a lot closer in I see a dead-flat running trail next to a river.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

this is how I always feel about 1/4 of the way up any given hill that is at least say 30' high


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 07:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's how I feel about roads. There's a good dirt road for winter running maybe 15 minutes jogging from my house but I drive there because it's all paved in between

I do recovery runs there and on Sunday I got 950' of vert in 2.25 miles and 27 minutes


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02/11/15 10:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love running trails, but having 20 miles of paved footpaths right outside my office door makes it happen.
Vs the trails I've got to drive 10-20-ish minutes to.

Plus I hate hills. Hills are where you notice "extra" weight, when I did my trail series I'd definite notice myself slowing down uphill faster than others, despite being over all quicker. Bird chested fucks(vs my moobs) are the ones dominating hills. /excuses and shit


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/15 11:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
this is how I always feel about 1/4 of the way up any given hill that is at least say 30' high


I'd almost rather serious hills/trails, then bs light inclines. At least when it sucks, it looks hard.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 09:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Hills are where you notice "extra" weight, when I did my trail series I'd definite notice myself slowing down uphill faster than others, despite being over all quicker. Bird chested fucks(vs my moobs) are the ones dominating hills. /excuses and shit


So, so true. I felt like I could float up hills at ~148 pounds. At 170 I feel the struggle. I'm making a concentrated effort to race at ~155 or so for my toughest races in late-June to September. So far I've lost 0 pounds in the past 5 weeks despite ramping up training


Sir Ironpool
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02/12/15 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm down 4 pounds so far. :yippee!:

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02/12/15 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm down 4 pounds so far. :yippee!:

I poop 4 lbs


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm down 4 pounds so far. :yippee!:


yaaaaaaaaay


EDIT: I'm absolutely laid out on my ass this week. Some kind of virus is my best guess. Thought i was coming down with a cold since Tuesday but no symptoms beyond a slightly sore throat and incredible fatigue. I slept 9 hours last night and now I'm going home to lay down again. Just totally wiped out. Found some people online talking about 3-5 day virus that has no major symptoms beyond fatigue but internet diagnoses aren't worth much \:\(

I was thinking this could help my weight loss efforts but my appetite is still there


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I weighed in at a relatively 'peak' weight for me monday after my biggest run total for a week like ever [23.x], ~2 hrs in the pool, 2 surfing, and a couple bike commutes. 197# eg #nailed_it
perhaps lifting has something to do with it, but I doubt it

or my actual weight variation in a given week is now 6 #'s [I saw 191# about 2 weeks ago]

I'm now grudgingly trying to only hit 188-189 for my half in SF next month


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Geez, that's a big swing. Are you weighing yourself at the same time each day?

In the past six weeks my weight has gone as high as 173.1 and as low as 169.8 but has been 171.X like 90% of the time. Can't imagine six pound swings within the same week.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I weigh myself in my makers clothing on a calibrated digital scale after dinner every time before evening masters swim class at the gym

once in a while I mix it up and am in a ~6 oz. speedo. I have also had my goggles in my hand before \:\|

the delta in time is 2 weeks [for the 6#], I am willing to admit I'm fattening up \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm down 4 pounds so far. :yippee!:


yaaaaaaaaay


EDIT: I'm absolutely laid out on my ass this week. Some kind of virus is my best guess. Thought i was coming down with a cold since Tuesday but no symptoms beyond a slightly sore throat and incredible fatigue. I slept 9 hours last night and now I'm going home to lay down again. Just totally wiped out. Found some people online talking about 3-5 day virus that has no major symptoms beyond fatigue but internet diagnoses aren't worth much \:\(

I was thinking this could help my weight loss efforts but my appetite is still there


Good luck man, mine lasted 2 weeks and turned into pneumonia.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuuuuuu. What were your symptoms? I feel headachy and almost dizzy and uncoordinated in addition to just exhausted

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Fuuuuuu. What were your symptoms? I feel headachy and almost dizzy and uncoordinated in addition to just exhausted


I was just totally drained and had on and off low grade fever with some nausea...then the cough started about 4 days into it.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Fuuuuuu. What were your symptoms? I feel headachy and almost dizzy and uncoordinated in addition to just exhausted


I was just totally drained and had on and off low grade fever with some nausea...then the cough started about 4 days into it.


Damnit Donnie. I swear to god, if you gave this to me... \:\|



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 02:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've had a cold/flu the last 2 days and it sucks. Fever, chills, sinus headache, sore throat. Took yesterday off but today said "fuck you virus!" and did 6.5 on the trails....super easy. It's really hot right now, and the Santa Ana's are blowing so while it felt better than laying on the couch, the minute I stopped it all came back down on me like a ton of bricks.


I'm just pissed that it's the first time I've got sick in the 5 years since I started training and racing.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/15 04:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im not sayin its measles, but....











MEASLES!!!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/15 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping this thread going... \:D

Training over the weekend beat me up lol. Did a long run Friday night with an ultra-stiff IT band. Almost called it quits within 30 minutes but managed to carve out 14 miles @ 2:03:17. IT band loosened up around mile 5. Those first few miles SUCKED but glad I stuck it out.


Yesterday I did a fast 10 miler @ 84:05 (mile 1 and 10 were slow). This workout was tough as I've never run a full 8 miles at a 10K pace in training. And that resulted in some grueling PT this morning to work the IT band. I have a tempo run Tuesday, a moderate 8 miler Thursday, and my big 20-22 miler Friday.



Feeling wrecked but the results have been strong. Looking forward to starting my taper next week.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/16/15 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I also did a 14 miler this weekend, mine was yesterday and did 14.5 in 2:31, supposed to be a recovery run and went well. Glad I wasn't racing you. ;\)

You gotta be careful with the IT band issue though. Make sure to work it out and hopefully it doesn't get worse! Usually that sort of stuff gets worse on race day and fine normal days, lol.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/15 02:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good advice man. I've been doing a lot of foam rolling, icing and stretching. It seems to help prevent things from getting worse. I think Friday's PT appt prior to my long run caused things to stiffen up without allowing sufficient time for recovery. By contrast, yesterday's run felt much better, being I had 36 hours off the IT band.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/16/15 04:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Maybe you should train on an ElliptiGo! I can't give much advice as I only had IT band issues when I first started running, once I got more adjusted to it it went away.

Lately I have noticed my right knee gets tight/frozen when running at times, where it is kind of sore without really hurting but almost feels like it doesn't have full range of movement, or something.

I can't stand foam rolling, I almost never do it, I have a few times lately with running more and with the knee being funky, so I dunno if it is helping or not though.

I hope for your sake your IT band acts normal at least until after the race! Do you wear a band for it at all?


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/16/15 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Keeping this thread going... \:D

Training over the weekend beat me up lol. Did a long run Friday night with an ultra-stiff IT band. Almost called it quits within 30 minutes but managed to carve out 14 miles @ 2:03:17. IT band loosened up around mile 5. Those first few miles SUCKED but glad I stuck it out.


Yesterday I did a fast 10 miler @ 84:05 (mile 1 and 10 were slow). This workout was tough as I've never run a full 8 miles at a 10K pace in training. And that resulted in some grueling PT this morning to work the IT band. I have a tempo run Tuesday, a moderate 8 miler Thursday, and my big 20-22 miler Friday.



Feeling wrecked but the results have been strong. Looking forward to starting my taper next week.


Nice! Sounds like you're pretty set, how long a taper do you have planned?

I had IT-band problems about a year ago, foam rolling my IT band helped, but only when I rolled diagonally on my leg too. Basically instead of laying just on my side and rolling, I'd try to roll on the IT band at a 45-degree angle facing the floor, and the ceiling too.

I saw the suggestion on a video once, where it was theorized it isn't really stretching the IT band with the foam roller that helps, but more loosening it from the underlying muscle/tissue. Dunno if there's any truth to it, but after a few weeks of following this routine my IT band problems went away & haven't come back.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/15 07:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I believe my IT band issues are primarily from trying to work in a shoe lift during training. I just haven't given my body sufficient time to absorb the realignment as I continue to build mileage & intensity. You guys may remember I have a mild leg misalignment which is why I went to PT in the first place.

I am thinking (hoping) after this weekend things will start to improve. After Friday's long run I have 3 weeks where I do a mix of easy runs and less intense speed training. That continues all the way until the marathon in mid March.

I don't wear a band/brace but the diagonal foam roll sounds like a good idea.


Rudi
(Member)
02/16/15 09:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had IT band issues as well...to the point where i had to stop mid run from the pain. I do leg swings front to back and side to side before, during and after runs. Haven't had issues in over a year and dont have to stop in the middle of a run and swing my legs to stretch.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/15 10:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ITBS hit me once, in my second year of training and after my first time runnning 26.2. As soon as I went more than a mile..boom, it would stop me dead in my tracks. 6 weeks with zero running solved it and I've never had an issue since...thank god.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Mine is exactly the opposite. Stiff when I start the run, then settles in after a short time. I've never done the leg swings but seen others do it. Might work those in as well.

The Ortho warned me the shoe lift would create some initial pain/discomfort for a while. But once the alignment shift is done it should be all gravy from there.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 01:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How does this sound for my next 6 weeks? \:D
end of the 6 week period will be my 1/2 in SF [w/hills]

[I'll try to mostly stick to ~20 miles/week, which is up from my mostly ~15 miles/week from last year. I've been doing ~20 since middle of January]

Week 1: T/5k Tempo, R/moderate 5.0 miles, Sa Speedwork [12x400], Su Long Run [10-15] [21-26 miles]
Week 2: T/5K tempo, R/moderate 5.0 miles, Sa speedwork [6x800], Su 10k goal pace [w/warmup/warmdown] [~20 miles]
Week 3: T/5k tempo, R/moderate 5.0 miles, Sa speedwork [12x400], Su Long Run [10-15] [21-26 miles]
Week 4: T/5K tempo, R/moderate 5.0 miles, Sa speedwork [6x800], Su 10k goal pace [w/warmup/warmdown] [~20 miles]
Week 5: T/5k tempo, R/moderate 5.0 miles, Sa speedwork [12x400], Su Long Run [10-15] [21-26 miles]
week 6: T/5k @ goal pace, R/5k @ goal pace, F/2-miler @ goal pace, Sa Rest, Su, 1/2 race

my "goal pace" runs mean I shoot for 9:00/mile flat or so, tempo 5k [to me] means 8:30/mile, "long runs" are in the 10-10:30 pace. "Speedwork" means I run @ 5k pace lol 8:00 [in practice I usually go a bit faster on most of these but I think I shouldnt]

My thursday run is on a trail near work with about ~20 30' hills that I go up and down. My long-run on the weekend has a little bit of elevation also--either I'm going up the los gatos creek trail or attempting runs with hills on the coast. Trying to avoid flat ground at all costs as I remain terrified of the hill on the SF course at mile 0.25-- it's like 800' up over 1 mile lol

Thus will conclude the 'mostly running' portion of 2015 for me. Still working out in the pool 2+ times/week and biking a bit tho.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/17/15 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd cancel that long run 6 days before your race
and the dual 5kms at race pace

The speed work could even be dialed back.

Basically there's not point in having any "quality" work-outs less than 10 days before your race. Go for runs, but your training is over.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think a lot of plans recommend doing an easy or "race pace" run the day before the long run. I've noticed that both for Hal Higdon and my own plan on RunKeeper.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea the theory behind the 5ks @ goal pace is to just force me/my gps watch to actually be able to go out and run the first 3 miles [well, ignoring the first because of that hill] at actual goal pace. 9:00/mi shouldnt bother me too much I hope. Maybe back it off from a 5k to a 2 miler? \:D
I havent been doing much "goal pace" running unfortunately. Speed work goes under, my tempo runs go under, and my long runs go well over. heh.

Hal Higdon has a tues/wed/thurs run of [week of the race, aka plan week 12]
tues: 4 mile long/slow pace [for me: 10--10:30]
wed: 30 min tempo [for me, 8:30 pace]
thu: 2 mile long/slow pace
f/sa: rest
su run

the sun before he has you doing a 12.0 miler at long/slow pace \:D

also I'm not trying to have a ~2 week gap in my training for an olympic tri I have the following month [april] \:D
I'm thinking I just roll in through the season and not really taper much/at all. No idea what my "A" race for the year will be. If I ever figure that out I'll taper for it


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/17/15 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
How does this sound for my next 6 weeks?


Random suggestion:
Can you do: T/Tempo, W/Speedwork, Sa/Moderate 5, Su Long?

The plan I'm doing now has 2 speed days during the week back to back. At first I thought it was crazy, it makes the 2nd one a little tougher, but I've noticed the immediate day after tempo pace the soreness mostly goes away once I'm warmed up. Then you can really thrash yourself with the speedwork and have a lot more recovery time after.
Saturday will get things loose again with an easy 5 miler, then Sunday you should be fresh for your long run.

If you feel ambitious you could add an easy 5k on Friday too if that works with your recovery timeframe & schedule just to get more overall mileage.

The way you have it laid out now I think you'll be pretty fresh on Tuesday, sore on Thursday (depending on your recovery time and how hard you push your tempo), recovered on Saturday, and sore for your long run on Sunday.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wouldnt go any further than 10 miles on the long runs.
Also, dont bitch out on your speedwork...fucking hammer that shit till the bile starts rising. Seriously. \:\|


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/15 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

really? Sub 5k pace?

also my shit is weak apparently...at goal pace post mile 10 I fade, hence the couple more moments of "fuck you time" beyond mile 13 or so in these coming weeks

hoping to avoid omgcollapse around mile 10 [last time I went to +1:30/mi over goal pace miles 10-13 after nailing miles 1-9]


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/18/15 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt go any further than 10 miles on the long runs.
Also, dont bitch out on your speedwork...fucking hammer that shit till the bile starts rising. Seriously. \:\|

Really, because I've always heard aenerobic sprints are pointless for training for a 1/2.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt go any further than 10 miles on the long runs.
Also, dont bitch out on your speedwork...fucking hammer that shit till the bile starts rising. Seriously. \:\|

Really, because I've always heard aenerobic sprints are pointless for training for a 1/2.



That depends on how hard you want to run the half. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

maybe w/ hills the anaerobic stuff is more important?




*doesnt seem as bad as that ~800'+ hill in pacifica I use to train suffer on

miles 7-10 will be where I have to make up some time to hit 2:00 \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 01:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt go any further than 10 miles on the long runs.
Also, dont bitch out on your speedwork...fucking hammer that shit till the bile starts rising. Seriously. \:\|

Really, because I've always heard aenerobic sprints are pointless for training for a 1/2.




That depends on how hard you want to run the half. \:D


This. I don't know why you wouldn't go anaerobic on intervals, whats the point then.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I run them at the pace higdon suggests because noob, I'm pretty sure 8:00 pace for me is anaerobic [5k pace], but not sure. Maybe not lol?

I am very excite that interval training is supposed to be JUST as effective [if not more] at improving overall speed/fitness as that "long/slow bullcrap" based on some data from running programs


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I run them at the pace higdon suggests because noob, I'm pretty sure 8:00 pace for me is anaerobic [5k pace], but not sure. Maybe not lol?

I am very excite that interval training is supposed to be JUST as effective [if not more] at improving overall speed/fitness as that "long/slow bullcrap" based on some data from running programs


Intervals dont replace long slow runs, they have different purposes.
Dont listen to crossfit tards when it comes to running.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/18/15 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


These seem reasonable enough.
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/calculator
I'm probably thinking more like "tempo Intervals" speed. or "cruise intervals"


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I feel so retarded all the time here \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/15 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You know exactly what to do; just stick to the plan dude. Higdon recommends at least 1 day of speedwork and long runs building up to 12-13 miles IIRC. Do that and you'll have the mental and physical resiliency to run a strong half.

As much as I'd like to see you go all out advanced, your knee might not agree to that approach right now.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/15 12:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I weighed in at a relatively 'peak' weight for me monday after my biggest run total for a week like ever [23.x], ~2 hrs in the pool, 2 surfing, and a couple bike commutes. 197# eg #nailed_it
perhaps lifting has something to do with it, but I doubt it

or my actual weight variation in a given week is now 6 #'s [I saw 191# about 2 weeks ago]

I'm now grudgingly trying to only hit 188-189 for my half in SF next month


Update: post 5k calorie libation meal was either 193# or 193.5# pre swim workout today (192# after and a little dehydrated)post dinner of course

So kinda back to normal. Maybe fewer 5k splurge meals lol and it stays off

CN: normal noise in my body weight graph/zero conclusions to draw. Would love to figure out how to knock 5# from this figure tho


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/15 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Really comes down to the calorie intake IMHO. Eating a little less while still getting our nutrients is the only thing that has worked for me. Well that and running 30 miles a week.

Capped off my biggest training week with decent results. A few speed sessions early in the week, followed by Thursday's 8 mile run at race pace. Then 20 miles last night.

Humble to admit I had to walk briefly during last night's run. Not sure if it's my own limitations or that I forgot my electrolyte pills. But I still PR'd at 3:01:06. The session required me to run miles 12-16 at my 10k pace, which I did. But felt pretty wrecked after that.

The worst is now over. I'm not sure whether it's strong enough to get to the sub-4 hour goal. But I am happy to have survived a regimen this intense without serious injury (IT band issues aside).

3 weeks until LA Marathon.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/15 09:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wewt good luck on the marathon [I'd be sooo terrified heh]:


got a good half in... says 3rd best effort really its my 2nd best effort [one of those is a GPS thing on an airplane I cant seem to delete even tho I deleted it]

*nice low HR... 136 avg
*didnt carry any water, just hit a couple water fountains. Less than 2 minutes of 'stopped' time.
*little bit over 200' of elevation
*not too much crying, legs didnt have too much of that 'I give up' feeling post mile 10
*only tried to hit around 10:00--10:30 pace [long/slow]
*the chick with the nicest ass I saw all day smiled and said 'Hi' to me /forevervirgin
*the dude who passed me twice I left for good around mile 6 \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/15 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work dude! Was this an official race then? Organized training run?

It pains me to see your route head straight towards some pretty looking terrain before turning around

Also, this cracked me up





stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/15 02:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nah I'm just a stubborn asshole, charged through the various parks this route goes through and found some water fountains. Ampsman goes further on this route towards the hills. I definitely can not push more than one of these at a time: distance, pace, or hills \:o

Basically trying to lower my tendency to collapse in my half race in 5 weeks post mile 10. Unfortunately that one has a bit of elevation on itit

This was just my normal long/slow run. Less normal was me basically not stopping at all (sUB 2 mins at water stops)


Lividentity
(Major Member)
02/22/15 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a nice run man! Keep it up. That's further than a half marathon so therefore you can run a half marathon. :P I like doing that in my training as well, if you run 15 miles in training for a half the race itself seems short lol.

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/22/15 05:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks good stickaz!

I'm 6 days out from my half, just trying to hold back on my pace during the taper. Feeling pretty good for this coming Saturday.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/15 06:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Looks good stickaz!

I'm 6 days out from my half, just trying to hold back on my pace during the taper. Feeling pretty good for this coming Saturday.


What race? I want to come out and run with you for a mile in a speedo. \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/15 07:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man. Just stick with the frequency and it'll definitely get easier.

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/22/15 09:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Looks good stickaz!

I'm 6 days out from my half, just trying to hold back on my pace during the taper. Feeling pretty good for this coming Saturday.


What race? I want to come out and run with you for a mile in a speedo. \:D


Phoenix (half) Marathon: http://thephoenixmarathon.com/plan-your-race/half-marathon/
a pacer would be a nice luxury. \:\)

Even better than the speedo is these bad boys, 1" inseam of pure freedom!!!!
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/BOA_Mens_1inch_Elite_Split_Leg_Short/descpage-BMESPUS.html


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/15 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck dude. I know you're going to kill it.

Expect a full race report when you get back.


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/24/15 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job stickaz, I really think you're going to feel strong on your half with the training your doing


I just ordered those shorts, I may not be a strong runner, but I can look the part!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/15 04:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got some good vert in yesterday.....climbed Mt. wilson for the first time since before Leadville. Made to within a half mile of the summit where I decided to turn back because I couldn't feel my arms, lol. T-shirt and short shorts in a hailstorm for a good hour was good enough reason to turn back after 6 miles and 4500 feet. /pussy

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/24/15 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stickaz almost has me convinced to sign up for a trail 25km in June.

Despite the fact I can't/won't do more than 8km right now.

Think I'll pick up some Hoka One's this week.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/15 04:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Got some good vert in yesterday.....climbed Mt. wilson for the first time since before Leadville. Made to within a half mile of the summit where I decided to turn back because I couldn't feel my arms, lol. T-shirt and short shorts in a hailstorm for a good hour was good enough reason to turn back after 6 miles and 4500 feet. /pussy


YOU NEGLECTED TO MENTION THIS IN YOUR TEXT \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/15 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Got some good vert in yesterday.....climbed Mt. wilson for the first time since before Leadville. Made to within a half mile of the summit where I decided to turn back because I couldn't feel my arms, lol. T-shirt and short shorts in a hailstorm for a good hour was good enough reason to turn back after 6 miles and 4500 feet. /pussy


YOU NEGLECTED TO MENTION THIS IN YOUR TEXT \:\(




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/24/15 07:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I bring to you: my personal chart of fail

no data is hidden. These are all speedo weights, always taken after dinner/pre swim


I'm trying to get this sub 190# [I'm 6'1.5]

*turns out theres an impromptu 4.6m 'turkey trot' type event at work tomorrow [probably only a couple hundred will go], will try to PR it \:D

first time I did that route I avg'd 8:45 I think, second time was like 8:30 [feb and nov of last year], I probably would have done better the second time but I went out on a 7:30 and that caused a bit of a cry near the end [too fast for me obv]

Its got some elevation on it [rolling 30' hills] but strava always reports zero \:\(


Trucks
(Post Master)
02/25/15 08:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hey guys. After running consistently during 2012 and 2013, I fell out of it in the last year. Just signed up for a half marathon in May to get my ass back into gear.

I want to buy a new pair of running shoes, and a friend told me you can find previous years' models online for cheaper than the current year's model. Is that true? And if so, where?

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere in the 100+ pages of this thread. Thanks!!

-Lee


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/15 09:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been pretty lucky finding good stuff on eBay.

Stickaz - trending in the right direction.

Ironmom - Pic or it didn't happen (I know you have one \:D ).


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/15 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have good luck @ Costco \:D

Just picked up a pair of Fila BEAUTS for $20/ea hehe



also one more weigh-in at 195+ and my trend line is ruined \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/15 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Check out the sale section at RunningWarehouse.com

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/25/15 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Trucks
I want to buy a new pair of running shoes, and a friend told me you can find previous years' models online for cheaper than the current year's model. Is that true? And if so, where?


I usually cross-shop: Amazon, runningwarehouse, and anything that comes up on sale that gets posted on slickdeals (shoes.com sometimes, rei once in awhile).


Trucks
(Post Master)
02/25/15 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cool, thanks guys!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 03:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Realizing that Boston is going to be here before I know it, so Im trying to start bringing some speed back into my workouts. Today I did a test 10k down along the beach to see where I'm at. Not horrible but not too pretty either. A 7:12 average pace was a good hard effort. Sustainable for a half, definitely not for a full 26.2. Once Way Too Cool 50k is done in a week, I gotta get to work. The endurance is there, but I need to get that speed back.
I'll be racing as a 40 year old, so I get an extra 5 minutes (3:15) if I want to try and re-qualify for '16. Probably won't actually run it a second time though, so I'm not going to worry about getting a 2 or 3 minute cushion this time. 3:14:59 would be fine.

I may just say fuck it alltogether and stop for a few minutes to be a perv with the Wellsley girls. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 03:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

if it's any consolation I'd be stoked as fuck to pace a low 7 minute mile for a 10k \:D [forget trying to hold that for a marathon lolol]

just guessing I'm somewhere between years-to-never being able to do that

I *think* I could hang around 8:10 or something for a 10k --absolutely murderizing myself

*I'm sure it isn't any consolation because fat/slow


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a 5k run this afternoon--first time doing anything outside since the first massive snow in late January. Still 3 feet of snow on the sidewalks, doe.

I should be in some pain tomorrow morning. A nice dinner and libations tonight will negate it effectively. \:\(


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh I've been avg'ing ~20 road miles/week all winter long \:D

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
heh I've been avg'ing ~20 road miles/week all winter long \:D




The majority of my riding since November was in the woods on the cross bike. I've had zero outdoor miles in February. Might not have any til mid-March, as the roads are still so fucking sketchy with the lack of shoulder. Only one path gets plowed, the others are under the aforementioned 3' of snow.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 07:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that was on my feet doe \:D [riding I'm not doing much more tho lol]

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/27/15 09:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tomorrow morning's my half I've been prepping for.
Got my pace band all printed out, the Garmin charged up, my stuff all laid out. Ready to rock it!

I'll report back with the glory and/or shame tomorrow. \:\)



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick pace man, good luck. I think I could pace that in my speedo for like the first 1.5 only hah

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/15 10:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck buddy! Go out there and crush it!!!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/15 12:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woot! Good luck man.

Chris, you are a beast.



Wrapped up the month with a 10 miler tonight on a stiff right calf and hamstring. But managed to cap February with 156 miles.

I think I'm going to stay off the feet through Monday and let those muscle groups recover.


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/28/15 12:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, didn't quite make it, but danged close this time: 1:31:02 official finish time

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/707793227

I got to the race plenty early (or so I thought), about an hour before it started. Turned out the port-o-potty line I was in took 59 minutes... I came out just in time to see the race start 3 seconds later, about 1/4 mile away.

I let most of the runners go before crossing the starting line to avoid crowding as much as I could, then stuck to the sidewalk the first 2 miles or so (people avoided them like the plague for whatever reason). I think I passed about 3k people in the first 10 mins.
The first 2-3 miles seemed to fly by, and holding pace was pretty easy. By mile 7ish I started struggling to stay on pace, and the "why in the hell am I running races, I'm NEVER doing this shit again!" thoughts started creeping in.

I just kept pushing, trying to hold on as much as I could. Because I had a 3-min late start, I was passing people pretty regularly up until mile 9-10 or so. By mile 11 I could feel myself fading pretty bad, but there was a nice short downhill just past the 12-mile mark, which I was able to pick things back up with nicely to bring mile 13 back close to pace.

Didn't quite make my sub 1:30 goal, but I'm still happy with the result.
It was in the upper 50's at the beginning of the race, about 10 degrees warmer than most mornings the past few weeks, which may have chiseled away a little bit on me, but it was still a good/fun race overall. Great course/crowd/vibe in general.

Future plans are upping the mileage over the summer, in preparation for my first full marathon the PF Chang's R&R in January. I'll probably run another local half in November in preparation, maybe I'll be able to pull off my 1:29:59 or less then. \:\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/15 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sweet dude!so close wow

I noticed with the 'chip time' and corrals and all that that it's a giant WGAF thing with actually going for starting on the 'gun' yea? (Unless I guess you're going for a top 100 finish or something)

I seem to just barely be in the top third of finishers in a half so there's nothing wrong with me hanging back a little (my normal start corral is of course waaaay the fuck back in my time group), but I was just thinking if I happened to show up like 20 minutes after the start that I wouldn't give too many fucks (waves are still going/etc)

Just rambling thoughts. Great job tho, you killed it \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/15 03:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job potato! That's a solid time for sure!

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/28/15 04:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys!

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I noticed with the 'chip time' and corrals and all that that it's a giant WGAF thing with actually going for starting on the 'gun' yea? (Unless I guess you're going for a top 100 finish or something)


Yeah, so true. The only time it really matters is if the course is super narrow with no real opportunities to pass/go-around.
I think they must have listened to complaints from last year, because it felt super wide the whole way through: usually 3-5 full lanes width, vs the average 2 last year.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/15 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did you guys share the start with the full runners?

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/28/15 07:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Did you guys share the start with the full runners?


Nah, it's a 1-way course and they start each distance at their respective place (which helps a lot with congestion):


They don't do corrals though, which I'm hoping they start doing soon as the crowd size is getting pretty ridiculous the past two I've been to.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/15 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm sure the half way outnumbered the full, so yeah...they should start doing that for sure. People lose all common sense when it comes to seeding themselves appropriately at the start of a race.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/01/15 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn Potato you nailed that race! That's crazy fast as far as I'm concerned.

I did a half in Miami Beach this morning myself. Basically from step 1 the calves/shins on both of my legs hurt more than I've ever had in my life. I don't know why but it was horrible, mile 1 clicked off at 8:34 and I felt like I was sprinting a sub-6 minute pace, right then I knew it wasn't going to be fun, lol. Until mile 5 I kept getting slower with my legs hurting, but they finally loosened up and I was able to pick up the pace, finished in 1:57:10, pretty happy to pull in under 2 hours considering. The 2 hour pacer had passed me by mile 3 and I repassed at mile marker 9 and stayed ahead.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/708967133

There's my Garmin Connect link for it.

I also used Tailwind for this race and felt pretty good, at mile 12 I could feel like I was losing some energy but was able to go the last mile without it affecting me.


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/01/15 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice race Livid, what do you think the cause of the lower leg pain was? Previous injury, or just a freak occurrence?

It looks like you really worked through it well, and sped things up quite a bit by mile 6 looking at your splits.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/15 07:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wish I could run a 1:57 half \:D

I just had kind of a fail-experience. Was gonna run 15.0, but I missed my speedwork this week so I decided to get cute. Ran a 1.0 warmup into this and then ran miles 2,3,4 and .1 for a 'goal pace' 5k effort, except I went about :30s under goal pace/grade adjusted or like 15s under goal pace w/o grade adjustment [went 8:50/mi actual w/grade, goal pace is 9:09]

anyways the whole entire rest of the run sucked balls because of this I think. I ran into a friend of mine thank God at the halfway point [mile 7.5] when I was sitting on my ass, so we chatted for a bit and I got to rest otherwise it would have been much worse.

anyways here it is:
https://www.strava.com/activities/261806482
13.4m,10:21 pace, 277', lol


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/01/15 09:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Nice race Livid, what do you think the cause of the lower leg pain was? Previous injury, or just a freak occurrence?

It looks like you really worked through it well, and sped things up quite a bit by mile 6 looking at your splits.


I really don't know. My only guess was I did a good amount of walking the evening before, walking around an outdoor mall and such there in Miami Beach, but I felt fine afterwards and slept fine. I've never had something like that happen before, so just chalking it up to a one time thing.

But yeah, I just kind of gave it what I could then picked it up once I was able to. I was hoping to go closer to 1:50 when I was at the starting line, but that went south fast lol.

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I wish I could run a 1:57 half \:D

I just had kind of a fail-experience. Was gonna run 15.0, but I missed my speedwork this week so I decided to get cute. Ran a 1.0 warmup into this and then ran miles 2,3,4 and .1 for a 'goal pace' 5k effort, except I went about :30s under goal pace/grade adjusted or like 15s under goal pace w/o grade adjustment [went 8:50/mi actual w/grade, goal pace is 9:09]

anyways the whole entire rest of the run sucked balls because of this I think. I ran into a friend of mine thank God at the halfway point [mile 7.5] when I was sitting on my ass, so we chatted for a bit and I got to rest otherwise it would have been much worse.

anyways here it is:
https://www.strava.com/activities/261806482
13.4m,10:21 pace, 277', lol


Nothing wrong with a break, its a training run, not a race. I think it might have been better to do some faster work miles 8-12 range, so you only had a little cool down, instead of a 10+ mile cool down. Though I'm no expert. My longest speed work has been 7 miles and I usually have 2-3 miles of cool down in there.

In the end you did it and that rocks so way to go! Also, clicked on the link, why does it show km splits instead of mile splits? Stupid Strava.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/15 09:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea I don't know what the fuck I was doing, I turned it into a long/slow run after mile 4 (which actually was my plan for the whole thing), I actually pretty much held my long/slow pace (10:00-10:30) miles 5-13 or just a bit over. I'm just commenting that it sucked really bad post about mile 8 heh

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/15 12:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys. Solid performances all around!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/15 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

seem to be staying in the right direction... I think I definitely have a shot at sub 190# raceweight at the end of the month \:D



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/15 06:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be running my 3rd Way Too Cool 50k in the morning. Would REALLY like to PR this year so I plan on running it hard. Bonk or Glory baby!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/06/15 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck! Time flies, can't believe its Way Too Cool this weekend already. I'm planning on listening to the URP podcasts from this week about WTC this weekend on my 19 mile long run, the day after the race, lol.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/15 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

probably my last practice half till the SF 1/2 at the end of march, felt pretty good considering it was warming up a bit. My best 'practice' half PR really [ignoring water breaks that totalled I think 5mins], 2:11 moving time, woot, going a hair over the distance so call it a just-barely sub 2:10

my goal with todays run was to hold 10:00/mile for a half. #nailed_it



Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/08/15 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job stickaz! Right at the 10 min pace is awesome!

Can't wait to see the race report for WTC50k too!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/15 07:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This picture pretty much sums up my race. More a smile that it was over than one of happiness.


So my wife and kids have been sick and because my middle child stayed home from school on Friday, I didn't leave till 1pm, which means I didn't get to my brothers house till 8. Hung out and was asleep by 11, but not before noticing a small tickle in my chest and throat.

Was at the start by 6 and hung out till 8, the first 1.5 are mostl downhill on a paved road that dumps you onto some awesome singletrack with a knee high water crossing. It can be a real conga line with 1200 people starting the race, but it wasn't bad. I did trip and fly superman-style through the air at mile 4, but other than some scratches and a bruised ego, I carried on.
Back through the start/finish area and the first AS at mile 8 where I never stop and had fun on the 3 mile, fun descent down to the Hwy 49 crossing. From there you make your way into a gravel road that runs for 5 rolling miles along the American River. This was a tough spot for me. My leg muscles started complaining from the 3 days of snowboardingI did earlier in the week, and I just couldn't find a happy groove. My pace was still well under my goal of 9:45 though so I was just trying to ride it out.
After another AS we started climbing up into the hill we'd been running along the base of and slowly curved back to start heading towards home on the Robie Trail. This is a great trail that traverses the hillside with lots of shade and perfect singletrack. I finally found my groove and was rollng alng at a good clip and fnally passing people after nothing but getting passed. Ended up running a few miles with a smoking hot chick I know who wear the minimalist of clothes. \:D She was having a rough day so I passed her at the next AS still feeling strong. That little cough was there but only intermittently so I didn't worry about it.
At mile 23 you hit the biggest climb of the day at Goat Hill...a bitch that runs relentlessly straight up the hillside I watched my pace creep up from the 9:50 to a 10:08 (my failsafe was 9:59 which is sub 5:00) but I remembered it being mostly downhill from there. I remembered wrong, lol. There were some good descents but there were also a tn of little climbs that just worked me.
Finally made it to the second Hwy 49 crossing and saw my family. I smiled and said hello, even though I was hurting and blasted through the AS with 1 mile to go. I had like 8 minutes to cover that mile...but the bastards thrown in a steep, rocky, 1/4 mile climb and a few rollers before the last flat stretch to the finish. I watch 5 hours pass and said "fuck it"...I have to under 5:05. Put on a smile and finished strong.

I hung out for an hour or two with my brother and parents, then jumped straight in the car to head home. Everything was fine till traffics came to a halt 45 minutes from home. That's where I started shivering uncontrollable. Spent the last hour and a half with the heater cranked as high as it would go (it was 72 outside). Finally got home and colder even hold the house keys to get in I was shaking so bad. Took a scalding hot bath and went to bed only to wake up with the first full blown flu aive had in 4 years.

The end.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/08/15 07:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've heard so many positive things about WTC, the race, weather, etc. Sounds like it is a pretty good race indeed.

Glad you pulled through it strong, a 5:05 is just a tad over 2 hours faster than my only 50k, so I'm gonna go ahead and say you rocked it, lol.

Good luck in getting better quick and getting back out there man! You did an awesome job so take a week off and get better. What's your next race?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/15 08:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. Boston is up next.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/08/15 08:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, right, because you're one of those fast runners. :P

That's awesome though. Glad to see people in here having success!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/15 09:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, it's all relative. I'll be solid middle of the pack at Boston. \:\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/15 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Stickaz. That sub-2:10 is calling your name.

Chris I don't care if you missed a PR you still killed it! Sorry about the flu.


Bad news for the upcoming weekend. The LA Marathon will be a scorching 88* on race day. So I'm just going to focus on finishing the race in good spirits vs. trying for a sub-4 hr. run. We have friends we're meeting with afterwards for brunch; no need to cancel with a trip to the ER lol. Little bummed as I felt confident this time around, with a good 5 months of training put in.

On the plus side, had a fun relaxing race this Sunday with a couple friends from work. I had been doing a weekly slow run with one of my coworkers to get her ready for her first 10K. And the Coaster Run is a neat little 10K route in and out of Knott's Berry Farm & Soak City. Suffice to say she rocked it @ ~1:23:00, despite never running prior to a few months ago. My other coworker ran with me during the race (a taper run for me) to get a PR @ ~56:00.

I have 1 more 5 mile run tomorrow, an easy 2 miles Saturday, and then showtime. Counting down the days...


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/09/15 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like a nice 10k run. That LA Marathon is supposed to have some awesome talent doing it, and upper 80s is pretty damn hot so that will definitely take its toll.

Isn't it fun when you get a week with a few days off? I'm off M/W/F this week, but that's only because I'm doing 23 on Saturday and a half marathon Sunday, lol.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/15 02:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I couldnt even imagine running the LA marathon [air quality, strike 1 and 2], then in the heat [strike 3], ugh. \:\(
hope you survive it ofc \:o

on a sidenote: my achilles tendinitis solution [stretching pre-post long run] seems to have gone away. I'm barely even sore on the left achilles area today 1-day after a 13.x long run. Phew


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/15 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did LA last year and it was an incredible experience. They had every detail covered from the crowd support to the communication to the post-run festivities. Last year's race was warm but not as hot as what's expected this Sunday. If I can finish under 4:20 I think I'll be happy.


Glad the ailment is subsiding Stickaz. Guess I won't be seeing you at Club Injured this week. \:\(


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/15 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread





CN: eat less fatty. I ran 20 miles last week even!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/15 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

am I justified at all with whining about these little woopty hills on a route I do all the time during the week? This is a dirt/gravel/broken asphalt/beirut inspired broken-concrete/mud/runoff route, lots of hopping and mini-boulder dodging. They seriously mess with my pacing \:D
[yes I have seen the ampsman runs with like 2k vert in a 5k where his overall pace is better than my flat 5k pace lol]. I swear flat I would have held 9:00 without really trying. I think. Maybe. Well I've done it many times anyways



Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/15 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Started running in the morning again as spring is here. Amazing how I fly* for the first couple K, but my legs go dead halfway through a 7 mile run. Sucks getting up early, but also good to get it out of the way for the day.

*Birdman


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/15 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
am I justified at all with whining about these little woopty hills on a route I do all the time during the week? This is a dirt/gravel/broken asphalt/beirut inspired broken-concrete/mud/runoff route, lots of hopping and mini-boulder dodging. They seriously mess with my pacing \:D
[yes I have seen the ampsman runs with like 2k vert in a 5k where his overall pace is better than my flat 5k pace lol]. I swear flat I would have held 9:00 without really trying. I think. Maybe. Well I've done it many times anyways



and I was still a minute off the course record. \:\(



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/15 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hang in there man, maybe one day you will be fast like me \:D

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/11/15 06:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ampsman those times are nuts. You can climb like a mountain goat! The descent timing is really nice too. You have good downhill speed? I listen to URP a lot and they always talk about how hard it is to go fast downhill, because you feel like you're going to fall on your face, lol.

Also, sign up for Javelina, its going to be great. ;\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/11/15 06:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



wooo! saw 189.5# pre-swim and 190.5# post swim[WTH?] anyways, I'm taking it \:D
I'd guesstimate based on my last hydrostatic test data I'm down a percent or two of body fat but I'll find out I guess next month [assuming ~17% now, dont worry /stillfat]


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/15 11:59 AM
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Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/15 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man. Keep at it!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/15 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Ampsman those times are nuts. You can climb like a mountain goat! The descent timing is really nice too. You have good downhill speed? I listen to URP a lot and they always talk about how hard it is to go fast downhill, because you feel like you're going to fall on your face, lol.

Also, sign up for Javelina, its going to be great. ;\)


I've been working a lot recently on downhill speed, I was tired of passing guys on the climbs and then getting blown by on the downhill. I'm still not great on technical downhill but definitely getting better.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/12/15 12:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's some smart thinking there sir. I'm jealous of you guys having cool places to run, I have flat ass roads for miles and miles and miles lol.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/15 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
That's some smart thinking there sir. I'm jealous of you guys having cool places to run, I have flat ass roads for miles and miles and miles lol.


ya, its pretty awesome.
I'm doing a race up in the marin headlands on saturday, one of my favorite places to run...amazing views everywhere. I'll probably get destroyed out there but at least it will be pretty.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/12/15 01:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They mention the Marin Headlands a lot on URP and Trail Runner Nation podcasts. It has to be pretty great from what I hear. Maybe sometime I'll actually get out to a real west coast race! I can just walk the uphills right?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/15 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I also have considered it /sorta local. Would probably bike it instead doe

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
They mention the Marin Headlands a lot on URP and Trail Runner Nation podcasts. It has to be pretty great from what I hear. Maybe sometime I'll actually get out to a real west coast race! I can just walk the uphills right?


Heres the elevation profile for tomorrows race, some crazy climbs but except for a few technical sections the trails are fucking butter out there. Its actually super runnable to, I think I maybe hiked one small section last year but ran everything else.



2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/15 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
They mention the Marin Headlands a lot on URP and Trail Runner Nation podcasts. It has to be pretty great from what I hear. Maybe sometime I'll actually get out to a real west coast race! I can just walk the uphills right?


Heres the elevation profile for tomorrows race, some crazy climbs but except for a few technical sections the trails are fucking butter out there. Its actually super runnable to, I think I maybe hiked one small section last year but ran everything else.



God that's an awesome profile

Have fun out there, dude!

EDIT: so Golden Gate Dirty 30 is almost identical in climbing (7,250') but decidedly not buttery



One of these I'll actually sign up for and run TNF SF. Sounds like amazing terrain out there. Maybe that's the secret to your speed...


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/15 04:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I have only run a handful of times since the marathon in January. I was exceptionally busy with work from about the first of February through the first week of March. But the result was worth it.

Got a flyer in the Mail about a 5k on May 17. We are going to sign up for that. Would like to train to PR. My current PR is a sad 24:48. It will depend on whether I can get my mother to come so I don't have to run it with a stroller.


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/14/15 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well after 2 weeks, I'm feeling 100% recovered from the half marathon. I'm following my plan, and going to sign up for the Az R&R marathon (whenever registration opens) that's on Jan 17th, and also I've signed up for the 2016 Phoenix marathon on Feb 27th (as well as another local half-marathon in Nov as a rust buster run before the R&R).

The R&R will be my first full, and since it's so far away I've been debating how to go about training for it the past few weeks.
I've been holding steady right around 48-55 mpw for the past few months (this Thursday will be 100 days in a row), so I think what I'm going to try is begin Pfitzinger's 55-70mpw plan starting this coming Monday for the next 18 weeks. Then I'll have 2-3 weeks in-between time to assess how I feel, and I can then repeat the 18-week 55-70mpw plan, or if I'm really feeling good can bump up to the 70-85mpw plan for the race in Jan.

My race plan is to take it easy for the R&R in Jan, maybe target 30 seconds below my real race pace just to get the experience of my first marathon without a lot of pressure/unknowns, and see how it goes. Based on what I learn from that race, and since I'll be going easy, it should be no problem to recover and maintain for the Feb full to hit my goal finish (under 3:10 for Boston, stretch goal under 3:00 for honor/pain).

That's my plan at least, I'll see how it goes building up mileage a little over the next few months. Any input/suggestions are appreciated as always!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/15 06:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^ Jesus Christ \:D

And cheese goggles: I'm watching for that 5k \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 02:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very nice guys. More races are always good. I think taking it easy the first marathon is a great way to ease into it. I did that last year and it allowed me to get a decent time at a 2nd marathon just 6 weeks after.

Finished the LA Marathon today and lived to tell about it lol. You guys may remember my decision to take this one really easy. Not having to pay the registration minimized any regrets. \:D Despite record temps in the high 80s/low 90s, it was a really enjoyable race. The organizers started the race 30 minutes earlier, removed all the time clocks and doubled the staff for the medical tents/water stations. Unfortunately, there were still a record amount of first aid runs on the course. And I was witness to seven of them. But it was reassuring to see the affected runners swarmed by concerned participants/spectators only seconds after they went down.

The first 13 miles weren't too bad. Temps ranged from the high 60s to low 80s. Kept a good target pace around 9:30-9:40, walking through every water station. But by 9 am the cloud cover was gone and the sun was in full force. Temps quickly climbed to the high 80s by mile 16. And I cut down my speed to 10-12 minute miles the rest of the course. My wife and friends were waiting at mile 22 with ice and water. Stopped to chat for a bit and take photos. By mile 24 the temps began to cool as we neared the ocean. Ended up finishing at a conservative 4:35:45.

The goal to get a sub-4 hr marathon may have to wait until next year. But the good news is that my previous ailments did not complain at all today. IT band and right calf felt awesome the entire route. No cramping either (obviously from the conservative pace). Post-race recovery has been unusually quick. Mild soreness which I would compare to a 15 mile training run.

Next up is a triathlon relay next Sunday. I am only doing the swim portion while my friends knock out the run/bike. Should be fun. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/16/15 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! I heard it was brutal out there.
I got hit with some unexpected heat in Marin also, not as bad as LA heat but still pretty warm, especially with how exposed it was. I ran a pretty decent 35k and gutted out the last 15k, ended up finishing in 4:54. I just felt kinda meh all day, not really good, not really bad. It was my first ultra of the year though, so glad to have it out of the way and it was definitely some good training.




Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/16/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Your slowest mile was still under 15 mins with that elevation profile? You should be saying you are all that is man, not saying eh it was ok. You're nuts, lol.

I did an 18 mile run Saturday with a half-marathon yesterday, finished in 1:48, was surprised I could run as hard as I could with the long run before. My legs are sore today though!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dont get me wring, I'm not complaining. I just think I could have had a better day based on how I felt.

Heres a sweet ass shot.



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job man!

Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/16/15 01:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow that looks like a nice trail. Are all the trails out there that wide and groomed? No wonder you guys go out there and run on the trails so much lol.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I see no ass in that shot.

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Dont get me wring, I'm not complaining. I just think I could have had a better day based on how I felt.

Heres a sweet ass shot.



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 04:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^Easily a handful

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/16/15 07:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice... well done!

Ampsman in Extremis
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03/16/15 10:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
^Easily a handful




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/15 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wewt 10 days to go 'till the SF half marathon and it looks like I'm sitting ~at goal weight for my half. Second week in a row I've weighed in at/about 190 [191 last night post-dinner]



this should put me around ~188# in the morning I guess /not sure, and also around 7-8# lighter than the last time [and only time] I raced this distance..


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/15 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice...hitting a race goal weight always gave me a serious mental boost. Now you just gotta visualize yourself floating up those hills. \:D


Personally I'm having a real tough time recovering from this flu. Feel great starting a run, then a mile in and I feel like shit. Really hoping I can get some energy back soon. 4 weeks till Boston and I was really hoping to work on some speed.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/15 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
wewt 10 days to go 'till the SF half marathon and it looks like I'm sitting ~at goal weight for my half. Second week in a row I've weighed in at/about 190 [191 last night post-dinner]



this should put me around ~188# in the morning I guess /not sure, and also around 7-8# lighter than the last time [and only time] I raced this distance..


Sheeeit, good work dude!

I'm in a similar (read: totally different) boat



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/15 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

He didnt skip leg day.



SJP0tato
(Member)
03/19/15 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lookin' good stickaz, if you're really bored there's a calculator on fellrnr's site that'll tell you what a lighter body weight roughly works out to pace-wise: http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Running_Calculator

ironmom: that sucks, I hate the ones that linger forever like that. hopefully it'll clear up soon, maybe see a doc if it's still around after a few more days?

I'm working my way through the first week of marathon training (Pfitzinger's 18/55 plan). So far so good, I think I was in the perfect place to transition right into this plan from my previous training.
On a side note: I hit 100 days in my streak with this morning's run, averages out to ~6.7 miles/day.
The plan I'm on recommends taking a full day off per week, I'm debating between doing that and just keeping a super easy 5k or something to keep the streak going a bit longer...


Sir Ironpool
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03/19/15 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
He didnt skip leg day.



Quadzilla!!!!!!!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/19/15 10:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The cliff notes of that weight/graded table is it's about :30s per pound dropped over a half. Not bad

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/20/15 08:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
He didnt skip leg day.



Quadzilla!!!!!!!





I'd watch it!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/20/15 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lofl.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/20/15 12:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

omg.

SJP0tato
(Member)
03/21/15 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like Pearl Izumi running shoes are 50% off on Amazon today only: http://slickdeals.net/f/7744209-pearl-izumi-running-shoes-up-to-52-off-on-amazon-com?v=1

I've never tried their running shoes, debating picking up a pair at this price though.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/15 05:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Today I did ~3 hours and 4,000' in the sloppiest, snow cone-iest snow conditions out there. Not until the shade over 8,000' did it firm up but the hill I was running is ~1,500' from 6,750' to 8,250' so most of it was in the slop.

That said I kicked things off with a bang by heading straight up underneath the poma lift on Howelsen Hill since it just closed for the season.



478' of climb at an average of 40% grade but a few sections were quite a bit steeper. I was kicking my spikes into the softest snow I could find and still using my hands. Thought I was gonna have a heart attack lol so out of shape \:\(


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/15 09:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Looks like Pearl Izumi running shoes are 50% off on Amazon today only: http://slickdeals.net/f/7744209-pearl-izumi-running-shoes-up-to-52-off-on-amazon-com?v=1

I've never tried their running shoes, debating picking up a pair at this price though.


I have had about 8 pairs and I love them. Currently doing road miles in the N1's and trail in the N2's.

I get to order the new N3's next week and can't wait.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/15 10:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
Looks like Pearl Izumi running shoes are 50% off on Amazon today only: http://slickdeals.net/f/7744209-pearl-izumi-running-shoes-up-to-52-off-on-amazon-com?v=1

I've never tried their running shoes, debating picking up a pair at this price though.


I have had about 8 pairs and I love them. Currently doing road miles in the N1's and trail in the N2's.

I get to order the new N3's next week and can't wait.


Don't trust him...hes paid to say that!






stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/15 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

400 vertical feet? You animal \:o

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/15 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
400 vertical feet? You animal \:o


It's more the average grade of 40% and max of 74% you dick


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/15 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't think he was being sarcastic lol. Nice job man.


By contrast, Summer has officially started here in So Cal. Participated in the Grape Stomp Triathlon with friends this past Sunday. I opted for the swim portion of the relay while some of my more novice friends did the run/bike portion. Brought the kids along in the hopes they might want to get involved (which they do). All in all another fun but busy weekend. \:D


BTW - I generally refrain from sharing my photos here and keep it limited to FB. Shoot me a PM if you want to creep my page. \:\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/15 05:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I don't think he was being sarcastic lol. Nice job man.


By contrast, Summer has officially started here in So Cal. Participated in the Grape Stomp Triathlon with friends this past Sunday. I opted for the swim portion of the relay while some of my more novice friends did the run/bike portion. Brought the kids along in the hopes they might want to get involved (which they do). All in all another fun but busy weekend. \:D


BTW - I generally refrain from sharing my photos here and keep it limited to FB. Shoot me a PM if you want to creep my page. \:\)


I would like page creeping privileges, please!

Also - apologies to stickaz if he wasn't being sarcastic but I never considered the possibility that he wasn't


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/15 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^I was being sarcastic \:D

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/15 06:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
^I was being sarcastic \:D






(jk, you're cool )


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/15 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

update: had a few beers and a pizza to myself \:o

my final long run [10.0] felt super easy at long-slow pace, optimistic my half this sunday isn't a huge disaster [still kinda sick but feeling ok-ish, in swim practice last night my speed was down a little]. at least I'll be at/around my goal-weight. That seemed overly optimistic back in early jan \:D


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/15 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bought some new shoes (Saucony Guides) and the next-day ankle aches are still way too pronounced. I thought that pain was from the old worn-out shoes.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/15 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Are you doing an eval before picking up your shoes? If not, shoot over to an Asics or similar running shop. The former has VERY good diagnostics for both foot shape and running form.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/15 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: gamby
Bought some new shoes (Saucony Guides) and the next-day ankle aches are still way too pronounced. I thought that pain was from the old worn-out shoes.


I'm not familiar with those shoes, but I'm assuming by the name that they are motion control? Have you always ran in them?

I don't want to sound like a broken record....but you should look into Hokas.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 12:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I went to a proper running store where the dude looked at my stride and offered up the shoes that would be appropriate.

Old ones were Guide 6 (which where excellent), new ones are Guide 8, most recent version of the previous ones.

They are motion control--raised heel, etc... My stride is a really strange combination of motions, apparently. Had great luck with the old ones until they wore out. Not sure what's up with the new ones.

Stay tuned for more specifics...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 12:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trying to put in some solid work this week. Speed is kinda sorta coming back but I'm thinking it might be too little too late for Boston. May just run it with my brother (we're both in the same corral) and shoot for under 3:30.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd love to be able to hold that pace for a half \:D [maybe another year?? lol]

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Totally doable...just gotta keep plugging away.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

but my motivation is waning \:D I can already feel it lol

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/15 06:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Get with a running group. I'm mulling over Snails Pace or Cal Coast Track here in So Cal.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/15 01:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: gamby
I went to a proper running store where the dude looked at my stride and offered up the shoes that would be appropriate.

Old ones were Guide 6 (which where excellent), new ones are Guide 8, most recent version of the previous ones.

They are motion control--raised heel, etc... My stride is a really strange combination of motions, apparently. Had great luck with the old ones until they wore out. Not sure what's up with the new ones.

Stay tuned for more specifics...


Went back to running store and exchanged for some Saucony Ride 7's. More cushion, less correction. Dude there was super helpful. \:\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/15 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Strava file coming later but I did the SF half today with at least 800' vert in 2:00:40, fuck you

That last hill I did not expect on mile 12 (ok srsly, pizza?) blew me off the razor edge pace I was holding

*still a PR doe, I'll take it

My only other half was 6 months ago in San Jose, 2:05:35 I think with like 80' of elevation lol


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/15 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ain't that 40 seconds a kick in the pants, lol.

Nice job man, solid time and PR, especially on a tough course.


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/29/15 12:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
*still a PR doe, I'll take it

My only other half was 6 months ago in San Jose, 2:05:35 I think with like 80' of elevation lol


Solid race, a new PR is good no matter the time! \:\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/15 05:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thks guys, here's my strava deal:
https://www.strava.com/activities/276152046


I guess I blew it mile 12 \:\( , looks like I was also too conservative on the hill on mile 4 [thats the one the do the 'king of the hill on' tho]

a pretty legit mile 9 for me tho \:D [8:11, 7:33 GAP]

the Strava GAP suggests I held 8:39/mi, or a 1:53:24 half pace flat-equivalent [/woot] [/notlegit /didntmakeit]

old looking white dude on the right forefront in black/black = zacktits


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/29/15 06:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stickaz if you makes you feel any better my official half PR is 1:40:01. =[ 2 seconds off of sub 100minutes, sigh.

I just did a 5 hour run today (24 miles in 4:46 to be exact) and am enjoying doing nothing since, lol. I got locked out my house during it so for half of it I only had water and no fuel, kinda slowed me down later and did a lot of walking. Will post later in my own thread updating past two weeks woohoo.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/15 06:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Going sub 2:00 (I mean 1:59:59) in San Jose in sept will make me feel better \:D (I'll probably revise my goal to 1:50 tho)

Getting locked out is kind of a l,ulz, \:D sorry

I couldn't even imagine running 24 tho. But at least after the half this time I could easily descend/climb stairs and was able to have a normal day after


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/15 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty happy to end the week with a solid 55 miles. Had a couple good efforts in there including tonight's 12 miler that I averaged a 7:35 pace and included a couple later miles in the 7:20 range.


Took yesterday off to cheer for my dad and brother at the Oceanside 70.3 triathlon. They both did great and I covered 6 or 7 miles just getting around the course to see them. It was great to spectate the pro race too...Jan Frodeno crushed it and won with a 1:10 half marathon. \:o

Got a sweet shot of Frodeno at the finish.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Stickaz. Sub-2hr is calling your name.

Chris - thinking of doing that event next year as my first half-ironman. Heard it sells out quick!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It does, but it's a great event. Swim gets congested and the bike is brutal, but it's very spectator friendly and the run is awesome.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 01:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

the number of times I've wanted to run a half after a 56 mile bike so far life-to-date remains precisely zero times. I think I'll do one tho, but that might be it

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's triathlon. Run/walk is perfectly acceptable. Hell, stopping for hugs from your wife is okay too. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hmm, maybe trying to PR every damn race isnt the only way to do it \:D

/re-evaluates thinking...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/30/15 03:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As evident from my most recent marathon, I absolutely concur.

I'm for getting better, but why the hell do all this if we're not having fun?


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/15 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For my given level of fitness my coach is trying to kill me next week. I just looked at the schedule:



3.5 hours this saturday isn't bad but my legs are already feeling tired. Then Tuesday is max vert day (woo hoo!) 60 minutes @ 15% - get as much vert as possible. Then Thursday is 4x mile track work - first time he's ever prescribed speed work. And then Saturday is 25 miles and 5,500' on the Quad Rock course. And I'll be in Boulder Sunday so although it's a recovery day I'll probably climb a peak (likely Green Mtn).

CN:


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/15 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not going to lie, I'd be hating my weekends too.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/15 04:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn. Other than races, I don't think I ever went over 3 hours leading up to Leadville. That's a long time out there!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/15 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Damn. Other than races, I don't think I ever went over 3 hours leading up to Leadville. That's a long time out there!


Just how you waltzed through Leadville making it look so easy will forever be a mystery to me man

It'll be the rare taper weekend that I won't have a 3+ hour run between now and September. And those aren't even the hardest ones - last night I ran up 1,400' of vert (dirt road that's mostly 10% grade) and then the game was bomb down it as hard as I could. My quads were a quivery mess on the drive home


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/01/15 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Damn. Other than races, I don't think I ever went over 3 hours leading up to Leadville. That's a long time out there!


Just how you waltzed through Leadville making it look so easy will forever be a mystery to me man

It'll be the rare taper weekend that I won't have a 3+ hour run between now and September. And those aren't even the hardest ones - last night I ran up 1,400' of vert (dirt road that's mostly 10% grade) and then the game was bomb down it as hard as I could. My quads were a quivery mess on the drive home


you misspelled vagina.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/15 09:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Damn. Other than races, I don't think I ever went over 3 hours leading up to Leadville. That's a long time out there!


Just how you waltzed through Leadville making it look so easy will forever be a mystery to me man

It'll be the rare taper weekend that I won't have a 3+ hour run between now and September. And those aren't even the hardest ones - last night I ran up 1,400' of vert (dirt road that's mostly 10% grade) and then the game was bomb down it as hard as I could. My quads were a quivery mess on the drive home


you misspelled vagina.


It's my training and I can cry if I want to


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/05/15 10:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty happy to finish off a strong week with 62 miles. Some good hard efforts in there and lots of strong finishes. Feeling confident I can do something somewhat respectable in Boston in 2 weeks. Not PR stuff, but maybe a requalify if I have a good day.

SJP0tato
(Member)
04/05/15 10:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to finish off a strong week with 62 miles. Some good hard efforts in there and lots of strong finishes. Feeling confident I can do something somewhat respectable in Boston in 2 weeks. Not PR stuff, but maybe a requalify if I have a good day.


Hah, mileage bros:

When you do Boston (or any course with rolling hills), do you use a pace band to determine how fast to run per split? Or do you just go by feel the whole way?
I was playing with this site's paceband creator the other day, it takes into account hills for when to run faster/slower than your goal pace so in theory it should be a mostly even effort: http://www.findmymarathon.com/


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/05/15 11:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to finish off a strong week with 62 miles. Some good hard efforts in there and lots of strong finishes. Feeling confident I can do something somewhat respectable in Boston in 2 weeks. Not PR stuff, but maybe a requalify if I have a good day.


Hah, mileage bros:

When you do Boston (or any course with rolling hills), do you use a pace band to determine how fast to run per split? Or do you just go by feel the whole way?
I was playing with this site's paceband creator the other day, it takes into account hills for when to run faster/slower than your goal pace so in theory it should be a mostly even effort: http://www.findmymarathon.com/


:high five: \:D

I've neve used a pace chart before. In road marathons I'm much happier knowing the failsafe pace I need to keep to hit my goal, and just try to stay comfortable under it. If the are climbs I just try to get up them as comfortably as possible while not giving up too much time...then making it up on the backside.

I'm going to wait and see how I feel in the first 10k or so. If 7:25 (my BQ pace) feels easy, then I think I'll have a good chance of picking it up a little to bank some time before the Newton Hills, then just give it hell for the last flat 10k to the finish.

Or I could just say fuck it and spend a few minutes with the girls of Wellsley. \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/15 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You guys with your speed racer miles. Isn't anyone else on here being slow and just going up and down things?

I'm posting my intentions for the next two weekends so I feel extra compelled to follow through:

April 11th: Quad Rock training run in Ft Collins. 25 miles and 5,500'


So 1/2 of this profile since it's one loop without turning around and repeating it the other direction

April 18th: Boulder Skyline Traverse. ~16 miles and 6,000' (actually ~14 miles for 6,000' then 2-3 miles to run back down into town)



I'm so excited about this one. Boulder classic linkup of the five main peaks on the skyline. I've also heard of 'Sanitarado' (Sanitas --> Eldorado) which is the Boulder Skyline Traverse + Eldorado Peak. But Eldo requires an off trail permit and some bushwalking and since I'm doing this while my girlfriend is alone at the hotel studying I can't be gone all day.

The Shadow Canyon climb up to Bear/SoBo climbs 1,700' in 1.2 miles so I'll relish my 30+ minute mile time and ~80 minutes 5K


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/15 07:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that looks like a fair approximation to the answer I'd give to the question:

'what is the last God damn thing you'd ever want to do?'

/srsly

oh and:
12.4 miles for the week last week. Wooo!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/15 07:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tried to run intervals on the track today. It sucked. Didn't tinish. 4 miles total.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/08/15 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

no turning back now \:o
~5.5 months away


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/08/15 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Does that get you into a faster corral?

Also, created my cheat sheet for the Boulder Skyline Traverse on 4/18. Turns out there's a spring I didn't know about around the halfway mark so *fingers crossed*. I'm not a huge fan of drinking untreated water but this is about as safe as you can get.



Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/10/15 09:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After a week of feeling not bad, my groin is back in full force. Slow ass run this morning and someone more hardcore than me blew by me at 5:30AM while I was peg legging a bit.

On the plus side, it's biking weather - so I'll be out on that a bit more.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/10/15 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like you have a hip flexor issue. Have you considered going to a PT to try and nail down root cause? I had a mild case of it due to my leg misalignment, which I now mitigate through targeted exercises. Might help in your case if you can afford the visits.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/10/15 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Started with groin, worked up to lower abdomen and then hipflexors tighten up. Felt a lot like when I had a hernia, but the ultrasound was negative.

I am seeing a physio guy and he went through a lot of Q/A and still couldn't figure out where it started. His treatment was tying to loosen up my hips, giving me some tagrted stretches and foam rolling. It was starting to feel a touch better - mostly the hip flexors. I ran the 23.XX 5k in the Stickaz thread and that was the first run a months where I felt like I could actually push my pace. Felt like ass playing hockey (legs just dead tired). Squats were ok, though a bit uncomfortable. My Wednesday run was decent considering how sore I was from squats, but this morning's run was aweful.

Physio guy thinks if it went Groin>abdomen>hips and the process might reverse itself in the opposite way.

I've been pretty diligent on my stretching/foam rolling.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/11/15 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Lol, my relationship with running lately


SJP0tato
(Member)
04/11/15 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've had some weird pain in my upper left leg/hip area for the past week now, it never really seems to hurt walking/running, only when I sit for 20+ mins then stand back up, it'll hurt/ache for maybe 30 seconds then go away until I sit again.

It seemed to be getting slightly worse over the week, so I've cut way back on my miles the past 3 days to see if it helps, but it seems just about the same as before the rest. I'm going to attempt my long run tomorrow, at the first sign of trouble I'll stop and give it a solid week of rest and see if that takes care of it.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/15 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty happy to get in another 60 mile week leading into this week-long taper for Boston on Monday. After being sick for a week I was able to do a 54, a 62, and now a 60 mile week. No junk miles either...some good speedwork thrown in and lots of 10-12 milers.

Final run today was 4 easy at 15 seconds slower than goal pace (7:24), then 4 at 10-15 slower than goal pace, finishing off with 4 maintaining an average goal pace. Pretty good confidence builder.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/15 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

With spring here and hockey done, went back to running stairs. Stairs felt surprisingly good after a 5k trail run, but the 6 k back to my car was a struggle with my hip flexor bothering me.

But the first time you hit stairs in a while, calves turn to concrete about 18-24 hours later.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/15 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to get in another 60 mile week leading into this week-long taper for Boston on Monday. After being sick for a week I was able to do a 54, a 62, and now a 60 mile week. No junk miles either...some good speedwork thrown in and lots of 10-12 milers.

Final run today was 4 easy at 15 seconds slower than goal pace (7:24), then 4 at 10-15 slower than goal pace, finishing off with 4 maintaining an average goal pace. Pretty good confidence builder.


nice!! i think you'll do alot better than you expect in boston, you didnt even seem like you were working on that run we went on. i'll be stalkin you on race day.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/17/15 11:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/17/15 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Calves are still fucking sore from Monday stairs. 22 miles this week with 2 hours on the bike. It's nice that winter is over. My runs are still a struggle speed wise because of my groin, but my pace is at least 30-40 seconds quicker per mile just because no snow/less clothing.

One more hockey game for the year coming up.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/17/15 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm doing a 2 hr powerwalk this evening and going to do a long run Saturday night. Will be good to test all my night gear, as well as it being cooler can get in more miles. Supposed to be 8 hours, want to get in at least 5 laps of 7 miles each. Will be my longest training run and also my longest run ever, and doing it through the night I'll be tired as hell I am sure, but hey do what you gotta do! \:\)

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/21/15 06:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just got back from doing hills for the first time in 5 weeks, was great! At the end I got one of those 3 second runner's highs where everything just felt right. And people wonder why we run? Lol.

Also, throwing this out here in this thread than my own hoping to get a wider audience.

I'm debating on not doing the Cremator ultra in July, as doing some real training and thoughts on it I'm unsure if I can complete it and/or if I even want to do it. That doesn't mean I don't want to do an ultra though, so wondering if anyone has any suggestions of an ultra 50k-100mile in the July to September time frame. Maybe some of you guys have done some and can suggest something.

I've been looking at some but kind of don't want this race to cost me 3 grand in flying and hotels and car and such, ya know? I was thinking Run Rabbit Run would be epic to do, but even the 50 miler elevation profile is daunting to this Floridian.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/15 06:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

just a few more laps around your neighborhood and you're good right? \:D

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/21/15 07:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha yeah. I LOVE running my neighborhood hundreds of times!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



http://www.pctrailruns.com/event.aspx?dtid=9995

July 12, 10km, 21Km, 30Km & 50km

this is in your time-window if interested. I'd be happy to do a 5/10k with you near the end \:D [I go surfing near there]


 Quote:

These trails are a coastal jewel nestled between the Santa Cruz Mountains and foothills of Pacifica. It offers diverse coastal vegetation, year-round creeks, and a 150' waterfall. Enjoy views of meadows, eucalyptus groves, wildflowers , steep ridges and hillside grasslands. On clear days enjoy vistas of the Pacific Ocean, San Francisco and Marin County. The ocean provides cooler air for a fast, fun run through one of the most bio-diverse and pristine coastal parks in California.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I've been looking at some but kind of don't want this race to cost me 3 grand in flying and hotels and car and such, ya know? I was thinking Run Rabbit Run would be epic to do, but even the 50 miler elevation profile is daunting to this Floridian.




Just go find a parking garage ahead of time for hill training

EDIT: also, Ironmom says he may come out for the RRR100 so you can crew all day friday and friday night before starting the 50 on Saturday morning! that'd be good fatigue training haha


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

July 12 is a bad weekend, I'll be in PA for a party.

So both of you are doing RRR 100? It looks like it is already sold out.

I think it would be a lot of fun to crew someone, as I've never done it. I keep meaning to volunteer for a race sometime but still haven't.

Wonder how much flights are out there. And hotels and car and such, ugh, prices add up so quick!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 12:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thinking of doing this one as I've never run San Diego. Organizers claim it's an elite-focused race but I'm a little skeptical...
http://usahalfmarathonsandiego.com/


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chris is tentatively committing to crewing for me (I'm registered) but I think we both suspect I'll come down with some sort of injury four weeks out. There are 10-12 people coming in for that race to either run or crew so it's going to be a party in September.

Regarding costs - it might not be as bad as you think and you get to play in this instead of running hot laps in a neighborhood






EDIT: and all the climbing is right up front anyway, so if you're OK with altitude you'll be fine



Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So his plan is that you get injured and he takes your spot? ;\) That's awesome you'll know so many people there!

That does look nice, Steamboat looks like an awesome little town. What's easiest way to get there? Fly to Denver and drive?

Since you edited...yeah that 1k climb right in the middle is nothing, don't worry about it. :P I've honestly never been at a high elevation before so I don't know about that.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 12:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Only one surefire way to find out

There are flights into Steamboat via Hayden (HDN) airport 25 miles to the west. Some direct flights even in the summer but they're typically kinda pricey. Best bet is usually flying into Denver and renting a car for the 3.5 hour drive. Sometimes you can get lucky with cheaper flights into Steamboat though - seems to vary wildly.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I couldn't imagine flying into Colorado not during ski season \:o

Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 01:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm on the fence about it, I can get direct round trip flights from Tampa to Denver for a whole $250, ugh. That's so cheap!

Would it be worth it going in a day or two early to see Denver and such? I dunno what all costs this could easily escalate to, haha.

Why must you tempt me with your beautiful small town!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 01:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's looks like one heck of a run.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 01:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I couldn't imagine flying into Colorado not during ski season \:o


Oh man, you're missing out. Every single local I've asked has told me they live in the mountains for the summers and just ski as a way to survive the winters. The summers are so much better unless you're a ski bum - in which case you work seasonally and leave when the mountain closes.

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I'm on the fence about it, I can get direct round trip flights from Tampa to Denver for a whole $250, ugh. That's so cheap!

Would it be worth it going in a day or two early to see Denver and such? I dunno what all costs this could easily escalate to, haha.

Why must you tempt me with your beautiful small town!


It'd definitely be fun to show up a little early but I wouldn't spend the time in Denver. I'd go to Boulder if I wanted to stay on the front range or come up to Steamboat early. If you had more than 1-2 days I'd do a road trip and see Leadville, Aspen and the San Juans - but they're six hours from Denver and six hours from Steamboat so it's a haul.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah that's a lot. Driving that much right before doing a 50 mile run? Geez. Lol. It is certainly an idea in my head right now, I looked and the race has 250 cap for 50milers and only at 124. So that is good.

If I could find another 50k-50m to do around July timeframe that would be cool to do as well. Keep me going through the summer to get to my late year races.

Also, I do Rabbit you do Javelina? ;\)


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 01:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If Ironmom can run 100 miles before driving his ass to the airport on no sleep I think you can manage a road trip a couple days before a race!

And Javelina is 100% dependent on how I'm feeling in early October. At this point I can't imagine thinking it's a good idea but a month ago I was all ready to sign up so we'll see haha


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 01:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haha, yeah I know.

Javelina is the best decision anyone can make! :P


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boston results and Strava file:


https://www.strava.com/activities/290153513


Lividentity
(Major Member)
04/22/15 02:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3:20 marathon, psh, slowpoke. :P

But seriously that's awesome man good job! You're mad fast as far as I'm concerned, and you do ultras, so I can't get a leg up anywhere. :P


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 03:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First time I've seen Chris be a mid-packer.

Nice job dude.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 03:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, it sure puts it all into perspective! My friend ran a 2:58 and was still like 3000th place.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 03:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think there were a few olympic qualifiers in that race too I heard? [2:16 cutoff I think?]

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 05:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It was one of the slowest bostons on record is what I heard, so Chris super killed it.
Poor Sage Canaday missed the OQT by a minute again. \:\(

Me? just crushin segements.




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sounds like he isn't east african enough \:\(

**DONOTDELETE**
()
04/22/15 06:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nothing like killing a 4yo KOM

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 06:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that 30 people have participated in doe

slightly more popular route:


**DONOTDELETE**
()
04/22/15 06:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, but that's not a KOM...

p.s. did you even pedal? 101hr and 23mph on a moderate hill?



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/22/15 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea dont get me wrong I'm in no danger of KOM'ing anything and am capt mid-packer

I mostly likely was just tucked on that part and not pedaling lol


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
04/23/15 12:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work, Mr. Mom!!!

I hope the rain wasn't too much of a bitch to brave.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/27/15 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

finally made it up this damn hill without walking/taking a break [yes, slow as fuck tho]



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/27/15 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That looks like a nice route. Trail or road?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/27/15 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

depends how you go, I went on a ~80% dirt trail and then had to take a bridge over PCH, the rest of the route along the ocean is all dirt/trail

the turnaround point:


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/27/15 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice!

I fully expect you to be out on the Quicksilver course cheering Donnie and I on weekend after next. \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/15 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea let me know, that looks super local, I can probably groupie you two, quick handie, whatever it takes \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/15 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
that 30 people have participated in doe

slightly more popular route:


Is this better you ass pirate?



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/15 04:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

8 minute mile bro? srsly? \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/15 05:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

11% grade doe. \:\(

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/15 09:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to surprise the wife and join her in the OC Half Marathon tomorrow. I don't think I'll go for a PR... Just something under 2 hrs would be fine.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/15 11:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Despite very little distance training I knocked out the OC Half in 1:49:16. That's going to be a PR for me.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/15 12:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sick! Great job man, any pacing problems or you just went like 8:15 the whole way or so?

My friend just ran the OC marathon in 3:27, about 30 minutes over his PR but he said he just wanted to cruise lol. His 5k split was like 22:50 and the 10k was 45:30 or so haha, that fuck. When it started to hurt around mile 20 he just stood up and cruised at 8:30/mi he said and gave no fucks. Announced this as his final marathon forever \:D (will still race the half and shorter distances tho)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/15 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol.

Thanks man. Yeah I generally go out around 8/mi, slow to 8:30, then bust out the last few at sub-8. Seems to work well for me.


gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/15 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had to bail on the MS Society 5k because the anal geysers from Saturday night were still lingering this morning. Really disappointed I couldn't make it.

Sucks, because I did a decent 32 mile road ride earlier in the day and felt really strong. All hell broke loose around 10PM.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/15 11:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^hershey squirts :scared:

just ran a 22:31 5k after surfing for a couple hours, wewt [only ~6s over my PR from a couple weeks earlier] [7:15/pace] :wewt:


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/15 01:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn dude, you have come along way.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/15 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn dude, you have come along way.


thanks man, it was like yesterday that a 9:00/pace would have been impossible for me \:D

I wish I had some evidence that my swim or bike were improving too


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/15 02:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So will I see you out at skyline to the sea this year?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/15 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

still on the fence... the downhill 26.2 [with walking the uphills ofc] \:D

**I may just get my mtbike and blitz you fucks


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/15 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Damn dude, you have come along way.


thanks man, it was like yesterday that a 9:00/pace would have been impossible for me \:D

I wish I had some evidence that my swim or bike were improving too


If I weren't so lazy I'd go back and pull up all your self deprecating posts about how you'd never get faster, always be BOP, wah, wah, wah. \:D


Seriously though...nice work. You too have graduated from jogger status. So it is written, so it shall be!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck me that was hard!
https://www.strava.com/activities/302224254







Lividentity
(Major Member)
05/11/15 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Awesome job man!

What's up with that 85th km? 34 minutes! Did you lay down and cry? Because that elevation profile looks like hell!

But, really, you kicked that things ass!


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

120 miles of biking so far in May.

My groin/hips/lower abs are ruining my running, so riding the bike more will hopefully help this go away. I can run for about 5-6k then everything starts to stiffen up and it feels like my hip flexors turn to wood. I'm normally running 12k and the last half is definitely tough.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 01:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Awesome job man!

What's up with that 85th km? 34 minutes! Did you lay down and cry? Because that elevation profile looks like hell!

But, really, you kicked that things ass!

Yeah...that was a miserable split, lol. I came into the aid station there and as soon as I stopped everything started spinning and my hands started tingling and I came close to passing out. Thankfully my wife and kids were there and they fixed me up, unfortunately it took 30 minutes before I could stand up without almost blacking out.
Pretty sure I just got behind on calories due to it being the warmest part of the day and my stomach didn't want any food. Some cold water on the neck and a can of Sprite revived me. Walked the next 2 miles but then rallied to run the last 4 pretty hard.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea that 5:00 1k split near the end had me going \:o \:o lol

great job btw. also did you post somewhere that this was harder than leadville? was wondering why? remember to please consider altitude in your answer [which terrifies me more than anything]


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chris killed it, that course is rediculous.
I however blew up. Sucks to run 43 miles and 10k of vert and come out a failure. Oh well, there will be more races.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love you anyways \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 02:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
yea that 5:00 1k split near the end had me going \:o \:o lol

great job btw. also did you post somewhere that this was harder than leadville? was wondering why? remember to please consider altitude in your answer [which terrifies me more than anything]


Yeah, even after 2 days to think about it, I stand by that statement. This was the physically difficult parts of Leadville crammed into 62 miles instead of a hundred. Leadville (to me) only has 3 tough sections: the two ascents of Hope Pass and the climb up Powerline at mile 76 or so. Other than that the terrain is very mild and I never had an issue with the altitude other than moving a little slower than I might have.
This course had something really tough around every corner. 9 of the 13k feet of vert came in the first 50k. Several long descents that beat the legs up too. Lots of short but really steep climbs late in the race. Throw in a little bit of heat and exposure and yeah...it was pretty tough.

I treated Leadville as a really long outdoor adventure...never really a race. While I didn't "race" this one, I had goals in my head that I really wanted to hit, so there wasn't a whole lot of slacking off.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/15 02:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: zakcits
I love you anyways \:D


Yes...Donnie was a fantastic trail partner for the first 15 miles or so, till on an out and back he smelled blood in the water (all the people in front of us) and took off. \:D

I love his parents even more though....they brought me a slurpee at mile 42. \:D



Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
05/18/15 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My endurance is shit when running. I can bike all day, I can do the elliptical for an hour with little effort (9000 steps and 700 cal burn). But have me run and I am sucking air after a lap of a track. Ya I know if I keep at it, it will get better in time but I am really surprised at the difference between the others for me.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/18/15 07:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

in as little as 2 years or so it will be the same as your biking for you, I guarantee it \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/15 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

great article written by my coach.

http://trailrunnermag.com/training/speed...campaign=buffer


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/26/15 06:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job Stickaz and Ironmom. Solid results.

I ended up running the Laguna Memorial Day 10K yesterday. Not sure how much faster I will get, given the increased activity with family and friends. But I was pretty happy with my time (6.2 @ 46:57).

I am going to be reading ampsman's article when I get a chance; I signed up for the Spartan Beast 15 mile obstacle course in September. I am a glutton for punishment. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/15 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I need to start running more 800m uphill races.



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/15 11:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^looks like a reasonable effort \:o

also nice 10k design

on my to-do list for the year is a sub 50:00 10k hehe


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/15 12:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

At the rate you're running your 5K, you'll have no problem.

Tempo runs FTW.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/28/15 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hoping to hit it at the end of june in my next oly tri on the run leg. last month I went 51:20 /soclose /notreally heh

I had a bit of a mental fade/pacing problem. Hopefully I can fix that this time. It will be hotter tho, and not flat either [~300' of elevation on the 10k/uff] vs flat.

thinking I wont go under 50:00 hehe


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/15 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody racing this weekend? I've got a 33 miler up at Big Bear on Sunday. Should be fun but challenging...only 3500ft of climbing, but it's all around 7k feet.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/15 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nah, only trying to drag my weak/pathetic body to a ~15 miler on mostly flat ground if you call that a 'race' heh (sad to say this would be a PR distance wise..)

good luck man! shouldnt be too hot for you I hope!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/15 02:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, weathers looking great with a high of 63 or so.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/15 10:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

30.0m so far this week, and a distance PR



*took some substantial breaks, smoked myself on the climb, hopped a fence in some gated community, got yelled at by the gate dude at the naval base because it was 5:10 and it closes at 5:00 and I was just trying to take a few potatoe shots of mission bay

and every mile past 15 was no bueno. my feet were hurting too, left heel and right-side of the right foot. weird. oh well. about 4 miles past my prior best distance effort mostly because I was fucking lost


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/15 11:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job dude. Suggestion - ramp up those longer miles more progressively to avoid injury. Your body is fighting the distance which is probably why everything above 15 sucked.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/15 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice run Stickaz!

Had my ass handed to me yesterday. 33 miles starting on the north shore of Big Bear Lake...all of it above 7,000ft. Didn't think that would've been an issue...NOPE! Any time I tried to push it, I'd get slapped in the face. Had minor stomach issue all day as well and the higher temps than expected didn't help. Otherwise I felt pretty good so I can't complain too much. Ended up with a 6:07 and 17/82 overall and 6/21 in my age group.

Absolutely beautiful running on the PCT up there.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
06/08/15 01:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man! I've never ran at altitude, so pretty impressed when people who also aren't at altitude can go otu and do so well!

That was an hour faster than my 50k and it wasn't even a good time for you, man I'm slow, lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/15 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, it's funny how it kind of sneaks up on you. If I was just cruising super easy, no problem, but thenId try to put in some more effort and shit would start going south real fast. \:D

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/15 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

that sounds like every run I've ever done tho? some kind of managed delta between lol and hiding in the bushes

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06/08/15 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got out and did 8 over the weekend, from ~4k feet in the mountains up to about 5k?. First/last mile was asphalt, rest was trail. Had to change planned route because the stream crossing was more like a small river and there was a waterfall of unknown height (and on a substantial contour)40' downstream. But even that was fun (and a nice break debating if I was stupid enough to try crossing)

Pace might arguably be called speed hiking, and it was still hard as hell.

That said, Running the trails might be the most fun ever, especially when you enter a "wilderness" area.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/15 03:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:o an actual jog? :Wewt: #nailed_it

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06/09/15 11:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That jog was harder effort-wise than most my runs fwiw.

Don't put too much emphasis on pacing when comparing trail running to road running.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/14/15 11:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Decided to do a race last minute after a couple beers the night before. 15.5 miles, 3000ft of elevation in 2:13. Felt really good the whole time, worked on fueling and hammered some hills. We'll see if it was a good idea a week before another race. My coach said fuck tapering, and I certainly did that.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Decided to do a race last minute after a couple beers the night before. 15.5 miles, 3000ft of elevation in 2:13. Felt really good the whole time, worked on fueling and hammered some hills. We'll see if it was a good idea a week before another race. My coach said fuck tapering, and I certainly did that.


Who's your coach now ampsman??

Good news in my world: ran two miles Sunday and 3.5 miles Monday and felt much better than I have for the past couple months (i.e. I could breathe and my heart wasn't pounding) so last night I went out with the group run and did 1:00 and 1,050' while only hiking ~30 seconds of it. I can't overstate what a change this is over the past couple months - intentionally taking things easier as I build back up but I finally feel as if I've turned the corner. Two months to Squamish, three to RRR100.


**DONOTDELETE**
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06/18/15 10:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


I missed it, what happened 2000si?


I got out and did a 4-5 stroller push. Feet have been feeling good.

I think my strategy is going to be to not run more than 10 miles on-road/week, ever, again.
And to run slow when on pavement. Unless it's an actual race.
If I want to do a pace run, it'll be the track/trail.

Basically I know I hate the roads, and my body agrees.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah missed it too. Glad to see you all back out there.

Have a 5 mile trail run event tonight after work. Been a while since I've been off the pavement.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

He had a fierce case of vaginitis.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
He had a fierce case of vaginitis.


BOOM!!! SHOTS FIRED!! CAN WE GET PAKINEWS IN THE FITNESS FORUM??


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 01:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm taking this entire week off and next week [until Sun when I have an oly tri] hehe. Knee-vaginismus. Following that I'll take another 2-3 weeks off from running

replacing it with more biking+surfing. I better watchout, I'm liking this injury..

#gonna_fly_now.mp3

youre_welcome_for_the_update


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 02:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

I missed it, what happened 2000si?


I got out and did a 4-5 stroller push. Feet have been feeling good.

I think my strategy is going to be to not run more than 10 miles on-road/week, ever, again.
And to run slow when on pavement. Unless it's an actual race.
If I want to do a pace run, it'll be the track/trail.

Basically I know I hate the roads, and my body agrees.


No easy answer, unfortunately. Been dealing with significant fatigue along with other symptoms like headaches, sore throat for a month, etc since March. Multiple visits to the doctor has ruled out: sleep apnea, vitamin D deficiency, lung issues (X-ray), mono, allergies (at least as of last week). Blood test back in April showed signs of a viral infection but mono test came back negative for a recent infection. As long as I continue to feel better I'll chalk it up to some mystery virus and move on but I wish I had a more concrete answer.

Essentially whenever I worked up the energy to even attempt a run my heart rate and breathing would skyrocket and I'd be forced to walk anything resembling a hill. Even hiking has been incredibly taxing and last night I ran an hour, with vert, and felt like I could breathe again!


 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
He had a fierce case of vaginitis.


Is this in retaliation for this??


http://clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/345678/Number/8255009#Post8255009


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 02:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dang man sorry to hear about your problems, hope you get well soon

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 02:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
dang man sorry to hear about your problems, hope you get well soon


Thanks dude

Every time I'm hurt, sick or otherwise unable to run I'm forced to face just how dependent upon running I've become. I tend to be a happy, optimistic kind of guy but force me to stop running for two months? I'm a mess. And yet I'm never tempted to branch out and find alternatives. I'll just hike around instead and wish I were running instead of walking


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 03:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You know I love you, asshole.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
You know I love you, asshole.




Warning, Spoiler:
wait, I mean



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 03:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
dang man sorry to hear about your problems, hope you get well soon


Thanks dude

Every time I'm hurt, sick or otherwise unable to run I'm forced to face just how dependent upon running I've become. I tend to be a happy, optimistic kind of guy but force me to stop running for two months? I'm a mess. And yet I'm never tempted to branch out and find alternatives. I'll just hike around instead and wish I were running instead of walking


maybe not now, but soon you'll regret doing anything other than photo-essays around the whitewater and mtb stuff in your area. It's like you need an intervention. What's that saying about variety and life? yea, that


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 03:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
dang man sorry to hear about your problems, hope you get well soon


Thanks dude

Every time I'm hurt, sick or otherwise unable to run I'm forced to face just how dependent upon running I've become. I tend to be a happy, optimistic kind of guy but force me to stop running for two months? I'm a mess. And yet I'm never tempted to branch out and find alternatives. I'll just hike around instead and wish I were running instead of walking


maybe not now, but soon you'll regret doing anything other than photo-essays around the whitewater and mtb stuff in your area. It's like you need an intervention. What's that saying about variety and life? yea, that

The way you worded this means I'll regret it down the road if I do anything other than "photo-essays around the whitewater and mtb stuff in your area". I'm guessing this isn't what you mean

Please clarify your complaint so I can respond intelligently \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

there's a missing not after the word regret, good catch bro

I get that different people like different things... yeah but no..


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
there's a missing not after the word regret, good catch bro

I get that different people like different things... yeah but no..


Yeah, I'm totally a fan of the dirtbag running lifestyle. At least for a period of one's life, perhaps not permanently, so I'm not going to say "yeah, you're right...I should be doing something different". However, I think the snapshot you get from ClubSi shows an overweighted emphasis on running and hiking because those pictures are so pretty. In addition to all that hiking and running, which rarely exceeds ~15 hours a week, I have friends in town, my brother in town, free concerts all summer, picked up cross country skiing this winter, I read a ton of books, visit other friends on the front range, travel around the state, work a rather demanding job that involves some travel around the country, have a trip planned to British Columbia with my girlfriend at the end of the summer, etc. As much as I admire the singular focus of dirtbag running style, and I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about, I definitely spend more time doing things that aren't running outside of work each week.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fanatically passionate about running because that's how my brain tends to work - but one of the great things about the sport is that it's self limiting. I will almost never do more than 15 hours a week of running/hiking with a purpose. If I quit my job and trained full time I might get up to 20 hours - but no matter how you cut it you're going to have a lot of time to fill with other pursuits. And I do all those things but don't post much about them because they're not all that interesting.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

alright if you at least snowboard in the winter I'll be quiet

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Zack tits
alright if you at least snowboard in the winter I'll be quiet


Nope, just cross country

BUT...if I have my way this year I'll finish the season with some big races and then take 2-3 months off and just go from nothing to knowing how to ski or snowboard pretty well. Too hard to resist with a world class mountain staring you in the face all winter.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I'm sure you'll be an expert first season with all your other balance/board lifetime of similar experiences to draw upon \:D

[I'm a bitter intermediate snowboarder apparently for life ]


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How?? With your surfing background shouldn't snowboarding by a cakewalk?

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 04:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

inorite? I don't go a lot, have taken years off...

**DONOTDELETE**
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06/18/15 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So now we're talking about
Running to stay sane
snowboarding
dirtbaging it
passions in life?

I feel like I'm so excited to write paragraph upon paragraph I can't even contribute, just giddily smile!!!


SEriously though, sounds like some sort of over-exertion maybe. Glad you're able to approach it again. I know the 2 months I didn't run was tough on me as well, even with hiking and lots of cycling. It's funny, because part of me is hating running(becuase of the recurring foot issues I assume it's a matter of when, not if I'll hurt again ). But the minute I went on a trail run a week or two ago I was SO stoked.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 05:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
So now we're talking about
Running to stay sane
snowboarding
dirtbaging it
passions in life?

I feel like I'm so excited to write paragraph upon paragraph I can't even contribute, just giddily smile!!!


SEriously though, sounds like some sort of over-exertion maybe. Glad you're able to approach it again. I know the 2 months I didn't run was tough on me as well, even with hiking and lots of cycling. It's funny, because part of me is hating running(becuase of the recurring foot issues I assume it's a matter of when, not if I'll hurt again ). But the minute I went on a trail run a week or two ago I was SO stoked.


Have you found anyone who says the can fix your foot? Or does everyone decide it's just how you're built and will never go away? That would drive me NUTS as I'm sure it does to you.

And I really doubt it was overexertion - I was having physical symptoms even after I stopped running. Earlier blood test showed signs of infection, etc. Besides, I was only 2.5-3 months into a training cycle which is hardly enough time to get overtrained and I was feeling fine before one day I didn't


**DONOTDELETE**
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06/18/15 05:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I sort of gave up investigation.
Like at the end of the day, I know recovery required rest.

I rested, I no longer hurt. But as far as what to do next? I'm not sure
I've considered I should at least call the Sports PT I heard about now that I'm not in pain and see if they can provide guidance on how to avoid future issues.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 05:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh man, a good PT is worth his or her weight in gold. Could be a super simple fix and you'd never have to worry about it again

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 05:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I agree on the PT aspect. A good one can fix or mitigate just about anything.

Sorry to hear about the mystery virus. Sometimes it's more frustrating not knowing what happened then having the darn bug itself.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 06:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Sometimes it's more frustrating not knowing what happened then having the darn bug itself.


There's a lot of truth to that. I was actually crossing my fingers for the mono titer test to come back positive because then I'd have a name for it and know that it would (eventually) go away on its own. I was really bummed when it came back negative but it wasn't long after that I started to feel better and now I'm fine not knowing the answer as long as it's gone

And while I'm complaining - it also sucks when doing nothing is the best course of (in)action. Give me some exercises to do or antibiotics to take so I'm at least feeling proactive. Feeling like shit with the doctor saying "probably a virus, just get plenty of rest and it'll run its course" was mentally tough to deal with.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/18/15 11:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck...I should really be counting my blessings!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/15 12:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I blame Colorado, need more cali in your life bro. \:\)

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
06/19/15 08:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I blame Colorado, need more cali in your life bro. \:\)


Believe it or not, but the local store does sell kale and sprouts. All the California I can handle


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/20/15 11:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On holidays, walking a lot, swimming a bit, but my groin is still garbage. I think I need a new doctor and fuck the lazy ass surgeon. I think he half assed my hernia fix.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/15 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm starting to get intimately familiar with the dipsea trail.



Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/15 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Did a wicked awesome 5kish run yesterday at a blistering pace of 10:44/mile.

(I haven't been running much of late, I was pushing a three year old in a stroller, it was 90 degrees, and I wasn't out to break any records, so I'll take it).


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/23/15 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I'm starting to get intimately familiar with the dipsea trail.



That 70 year old dude passed you right after that was taken, didn't he? \:D


SIR_PAT
(Post Master Sr)
07/13/15 10:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone deal with shin splints?

I've already taken 2 weeks off running this year because of it in one leg. I ran about 60/70km since then but it's back.

I've tried a few things I read on the net, like ace bandage and stretches (I can't seem to target the inside area though).

If it was just the pain I'd run through it, but I read that if you don't let it heal you could end up needing surgery.

The good thing about taking the 2 weeks off was I came back and beat my personal records by minutes. But at the same time I'm afraid if I take too much time off I'll start losing everything I've gained.


SJP0tato
(Member)
07/13/15 04:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SIR_PAT
Anyone deal with shin splints?

What kind of symptoms are you having? Shin splints is usually a "catch all" kind of diagnosis, which can encompass a lot of injuries.

 Originally Posted By: SIR_PAT
The good thing about taking the 2 weeks off was I came back and beat my personal records by minutes. But at the same time I'm afraid if I take too much time off I'll start losing everything I've gained.


It sounds like you're going 110% the moment you get back from rest, which if you're recovering from injury is the last thing you want to do. It's better to do a couple super easy shake-out runs first, assess your condition, then you can work back up to speed work & breaking records. \:\)


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/15 04:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I thought shin splint remediation = no fucking running at all? [4+ weeks?]

also: update/backstory

I think I'm over my knee thing. 18.x miles last week. longest was 10, which is my longest since ~7 weeks ago when I did an 18 and then some stairs and fucked myself up pretty good. Of course I ran a 10k in a tri 2 weeks ago but I was pretty beat so I dont think it did anything.

Hoping to maintain 20+ for a little mini-block here until the swim focus-ish of the next week-and-a-half are over [lol 3x a week swim = focus]


SIR_PAT
(Post Master Sr)
07/13/15 09:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
What kind of symptoms are you having? Shin splints is usually a "catch all" kind of diagnosis, which can encompass a lot of injuries.

Pain on the inside of my right leg, right along the bone.

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
It sounds like you're going 110% the moment you get back from rest, which if you're recovering from injury is the last thing you want to do. It's better to do a couple super easy shake-out runs first, assess your condition, then you can work back up to speed work & breaking records. \:\)

I did, I swear. I started out by casually running a couple of 3.5km (2.2miles) then a couple of 5km (3.1miles) then a couple of 10km. I think it started after I played 3hrs of tennis. Could also be the road, it's angled, I might be favoring that leg.

 Originally Posted By: :(
yea I thought shin splint remediation = no fucking running at all? [4+ weeks?]

I read 3-6... either way I went back too soon.

Time to dust off my mountain bike.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/15/15 08:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

new low experienced in my jogging yesterday: had planned a 5 miler or so, little loop

not 100' from my door I had to stop. My ankle felt like it cracked/was broken, and just un-useable. Contemplated just nope_ing it and walking back home.

Stretched my ankle/calf a bit, and used very little range of motion on that ankle for like a mile before it loosened up. By mile 2 it was like nothing had happened.

Then on mile 3 I was in the direct sun and getting a little hot and just said fuckit and walked like half a mile. Then finished a final two with a little bridge climb to get back home.

Feels like I'm going backwards. #nailed_it


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/16/15 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Shitty days are part of running.
That's why you have to enjoy the shit out of it when you feel good, because it doesn't happen all the time.
90% of my runs I want to stop within the first mile because something is sore or I just feel like shit.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/16/15 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My runs lately have been struggles. Not sure why as I haven't take time off. It's been pretty hot/humid, which doesn't help, but I'm already fighting myself after a minute. 5am 12k runs used to suck after about half way, now they suck after about 2 minutes.

I don't always have good runs, but lately, it seems I'm having almost no good runs. My biking and stairs routine seems fine though and it's almost always high 80's or low 90's when I do that.

I think I should mix in some sprints and more walking just for the hell of it.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/16/15 11:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I root caused my problem as over stretching my ankles/feet as I'm [desperately] trying to improve my flexibility there for swimming /my kick as I've always been a 'swinger', hoping to add some hip drive to my swimming but apparently people are suggesting I really have to choose--these goals won't really work together. You cant work on your running AND work on your swim kick. Fuck it I'll keep trying to do both unless this gets worse.

Eg I'll accept some kick improvement for some run sacrifice


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/15 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

had the struggliest of struggles on a 10.1 mile long run on the creek trail. 10:30/pace and ~90*F temps


this weekend apparently has been my heatstroke training week [my bonk ride up mt. hamilton I noticed a couple miles from the top I was no longer sweating so I alt+F4'd the thing and headed back]

anyways 3 water bottles later I made it back. I have no idea at this point if I'm just sliding backwards and getting slower--in these temps I cant seem to do anything


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/20/15 02:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Been mostly above 90 around here lately and it's brutal at those temps.
ESPECIALLY long shit.

I actually think 10 miles at that pace in that heat is pretty agressive.


CN: slow the fuck down.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/15 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You cant make any assumptions about performance when running in those temps. Just be happy about getting in some miles and some heat acclimation and not dying.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/15 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We've had a few days above 90. It's tough to run when your head feels like it's going to explode and I'm drenched in sweat.

What I find helps is taking my shirt off and wearing it on my head about halfway through. I'm sure I look like an idiot, but it's much more comfortable.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/20/15 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

the entire 2nd half was shirtless. hello ladies \:\|

Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/20/15 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dunno I see a 10 mile run at 90 degrees at a 10:30 pace with a HR of 127. That's awesome. I've been doing some HR training lately and I might start close to a 9 min pace for the 145-150 HR range and go down to 10's.

Keep it up and when it drops back to 80 you'll think its easy and then 70s and you'll love it. My 14 miler yesterday I had no energy for, but then a drizzle during it took it from 90+ to more like 80 and I put on an ice scarf and suddenly the run was acceptable lol.

I was in a real bad running place about 3 weeks ago because of the FL heat. It was amazingly brutal at the end of June and simply doing 4 miles after work took a ton of effort, a lot of water and just didn't seem worth it. But somehow the past 2 weeks or so it isn't as hot and hitting the rainy season seems to be helping keep the temp at 88 instead of 93, lol. Just have to get out at the right time so it isn't super hot and/or super humid. I have yet to make myself get up a 5am to run though.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/15 09:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran on Saturday after being sore as hell from an absolute torture rack of a massage. Felt good, even in the heat. Ran yesterday, started off not feeling that well, but putting up a solid pace (low 8min/mile) for me, but then I just crashed. After about 2 miles, I had to walk almost every half mile for about 20 seconds.

My biking game seems pretty solid. Getting close to 100 miles/week. I'm not flying, but it's steady.

I do think I'm about maxed out in terms or strength/weight/cardio/injury right now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/15 08:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck this humidity here right now. And fuck the cold/flu/scarlet fever I caught from a kid at scout camp last week. Going for a 3 miler with my wife in a few because I always feel better during a run when Im sick....then it's time to OD on NyQuil and go to bed.

Planning on signing up for both the October Javalina Jundred and next years Angeles Crest 100 miler. My scouts and I are going to be working the finish line aid station of the latter next weekend, and then registration opens the following day.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/21/15 08:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

AC100 looks like a beast man! I'd say elevation profile it should be tougher than Leadville, but haven't heard one way or the other.

I should be signing up for Javelina soon. It is super hot and humid here making runs suck for a long time, and just getting back into long runs. 14 last Sunday, 16 next Sunday, 18 after that. Then they just get worse, yay! :P

Also, now doing heart rate training and trying out fat adaptation too. So we'll see how all this goes.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/21/15 09:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm having second thoughts about my first marathon in ~11 weeks hehe. nah fuck it I'm doing it anyways. I definitely will be just trying to survive tho. But this heat has me questioning my ability/sanity/everything

bt0
(Post Master Sr)
07/21/15 11:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hour before sunrise is coolest hour of the day.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/22/15 08:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I run frequently in the morning. It's tough getting up, but it's more enjoyable that in the heat. But that morning humidity = soaked.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/22/15 06:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, it's a tough one for sure. It's heavy on the climbs late in the race, usually very warm and lots of exposure. The good thing is that it's not at crazy elevation tops out at 9k feet, is a net downhill, and I can train on the course. \:\) Oh, and 33 hour cutoff is helpful too....but I'll be gunning for sub 24. \:D

I'm pretty excited for Javalina though.


 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
AC100 looks like a beast man! I'd say elevation profile it should be tougher than Leadville, but haven't heard one way or the other.

I should be signing up for Javelina soon. It is super hot and humid here making runs suck for a long time, and just getting back into long runs. 14 last Sunday, 16 next Sunday, 18 after that. Then they just get worse, yay! :P

Also, now doing heart rate training and trying out fat adaptation too. So we'll see how all this goes.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/15 05:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

did this yesterday as the temps were a bit lower [~70*F] felt pretty good, didnt feel like I was working too hard. 5K was like 22:5x. Fought through a wicked cramp there on lap 9-10 [stomach/too much water heh]



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/15 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man. I need to pay attention to this thread more often.

Seriously considering Vineman next year with some friends who do it annually. Heard it sells out in minutes.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/15 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea, I'll probably enter the lottery, Sonoma is like a ~2 hr drive from my lavender section of the south bay \:D

I hear the bike is sweeet and the swim in the russian river is awesome. just a great setting. But the level of competition in the field is nuts and it may be challenging to stay mid-pack on the swim and not get completely run over \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/15 01:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The tri's for me are fun. I'd probably go in last and just enjoy the experience. I have one coming up this weekend and plan to do the same. Even bringing a friend's mountain bike for the course lol.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/15 01:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love the mtbikers \:D

not that I'm anything other than mid-pack or anything but I lean into it a little extra passing mtbikes

also have fun ofc hehe \:D

[also a 70.3 will probably proper murder me, I'd be lucky to break 6 hrs I'd guess]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As part of my training plan over the next 3 months to get ready for Javalina, Ivd decided to buckle down and get down to an ideal race weight. For me, I believe that's slightly lighter than my lowest (and fastest) Ironman race weight of 153. I'd really like to see 14x on the scale going into my taper. Weighed in at 168 on Sunday. Fuck.gif Reloaded myfitnesspal on the phone and plan to use it religiously. It's got me at 1300 calories a day, which seems to be pretty doable....for me it mostly involves avoiding late night snacking and making sure I take in some fuel before my runs (which are all at night while kids are out of school) so I don't go crazy pigging out afterwards.
I'm swearing off beer and any kind of candy till after the race as well. :iamhomoforusingthis:


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 01:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You should sign up for the Scott Tinley Tri in San Luis in October. I think I'm going to meet my dad and brothers there and do the off road sprint and they'll do the road half the day before.

 Originally Posted By: importhondastickaz
I love the mtbikers \:D

not that I'm anything other than mid-pack or anything but I lean into it a little extra passing mtbikes

also have fun ofc hehe \:D

[also a 70.3 will probably proper murder me, I'd be lucky to break 6 hrs I'd guess]


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pacific grove international in sept is my last planned tri for the year

I've got a masters SCM swim meet to stink up that weekend [the tinley thing]


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/28/15 05:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
As part of my training plan over the next 3 months to get ready for Javalina, Ivd decided to buckle down and get down to an ideal race weight. For me, I believe that's slightly lighter than my lowest (and fastest) Ironman race weight of 153. I'd really like to see 14x on the scale going into my taper. Weighed in at 168 on Sunday. Fuck.gif Reloaded myfitnesspal on the phone and plan to use it religiously. It's got me at 1300 calories a day, which seems to be pretty doable....for me it mostly involves avoiding late night snacking and making sure I take in some fuel before my runs (which are all at night while kids are out of school) so I don't go crazy pigging out afterwards.
I'm swearing off beer and any kind of candy till after the race as well. :iamhomoforusingthis:


I'm working on that myself. Couple weeks ago after a trip back home I was 175. Hitting down to 165 now. Wouldn't mind hitting under 160 but anywhere around 165 will be ok really.

What kind of mileage are you going to do? I will probably cap out with a couple of ~50 mile weeks. I just don't think my body can handle much more than that week in and week out. I'd love to figure out how some people do 35 mile weeks and do 100's, lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 05:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm planning on using my Leadville approach and try to hit 3 or 4 weeks of 70 miles in the lead up to a 2 week taper. Longest run will probably only be 18 or maybe 20. I do pretty well with spreading those miles over 7 days a week doing 10 or so a day. Aerobically I have a really solid base, so I want to build up some strength to allow me to run more of those hundred than had to at Leadville. With only 5k feet of gain, there aren't going to be too many easy opportunities to walk/hike. \:D

Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/28/15 06:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You really only cap at 18 to 20? For Keys I did numerous marathon distance training runs and an 8 hour overnight 35 miler. Those are obviously what kills me. If I had the time each day I could probably hit 60+ a week, if I wasn't doing one day so high that I need to take the day before and after off pretty much.

I do want to try to do more runs that are for a purpose instead of runs for mileage.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
You really only cap at 18 to 20? For Keys I did numerous marathon distance training runs and an 8 hour overnight 35 miler. Those are obviously what kills me. If I had the time each day I could probably hit 60+ a week, if I wasn't doing one day so high that I need to take the day before and after off pretty much.

I do want to try to do more runs that are for a purpose instead of runs for mileage.


Yeah, other than races leading up to it, that's it. Keep in mind that I race quite a bit. I just did a 33 miler in June, 100k in May, Boston in April, 50k in March and another in February...so that's a pretty good gauge of my fitness this year so far.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/28/15 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah that's true. I wish I could find more trails around to run. I run on the dumb asphalt all the time. The only close trail is flat and exposed, lol Florida, so it isn't exactly enjoyable anyway.

You CA people are so lucky!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/15 08:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

To be honest, 80 percent of my miles leading up to this race will be on pavement. Kids don't go back to school till after Labor Day, so I won't be doing my usual mid-morning trail runs. Not even going to chase any vert either. I'm thinking with the nice groomed desert trails and the flatness...I doubt I'll even wear trail shoes, probably my Pearl Izumi N3's, and maybe switch to the Hokas late in the race if I need a little extra cushion.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/15 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Keep in mind that I race quite a bit. I just did a 33 miler in June, 100k in May, Boston in April, 50k in March and another in February...so that's a pretty good gauge of my fitness this year so far.


Jebus, and you're complaining of a weight issue?


*head spins*


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/15 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

BTW, Scott Tinley Tri looks like fun...

Lividentity
(Major Member)
07/29/15 02:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am actually planning on asking Liza if she thinks trail shoes are necessary. I saw some pictures with some rocks but nothing serious.

I picked this race partly because it isn't 25k feet of vert, lol. Not easily trained in FL. \:\)

There is a 46 mile fatass event on September 5th I'm debating on doing. I won't be doing it super hard but figure that's a real good training run with a 13 hour cutoff.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/15 04:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, I love eating junk food. \:D


 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Keep in mind that I race quite a bit. I just did a 33 miler in June, 100k in May, Boston in April, 50k in March and another in February...so that's a pretty good gauge of my fitness this year so far.


Jebus, and you're complaining of a weight issue?


*head spins*


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I am actually planning on asking Liza if she thinks trail shoes are necessary. I saw some pictures with some rocks but nothing serious.

I picked this race partly because it isn't 25k feet of vert, lol. Not easily trained in FL. \:\)

There is a 46 mile fatass event on September 5th I'm debating on doing. I won't be doing it super hard but figure that's a real good training run with a 13 hour cutoff.


My last 3 pairs of shoes have been road shoes, and I do most of my running on trails. Most people don't really need trail shoes.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, 800m PR this morning. 2:32.
That fucking hurt.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

isn't that what Impulsive's better half usually runs?

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 12:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Somehow I knew you'd be commenting, but your records aren't current. Add 20 seconds.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 12:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you mad? either one is pretty fast no? sounds like a 5 flat mile pace in one and I guess a mid/high 5-minute mile the other?

I'm just jealous because I have no speed whatsoever. My 400m/440y time is straight embarassing


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

DO I LOOK MAD?

I have no idea what is fast other than local track meets, I'm pretty sure I've seen a sub 2:00 and several 2:0X's.

I ran fast 600s with my wife and beat her, so I hope I could meet/beat her 800 time. I have no clue though. I tried it once with my phone and I think I was around 3 and that was just open the door, press start on my app and go and keep checking the distance to update.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

definitely mad

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Also, 800m PR this morning. 2:32.
That fucking hurt.


Do 10 of those with a 400 break in between and you should be able to run a 2:32 road marathon. \:\)


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/15 03:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Also, 800m PR this morning. 2:32.
That fucking hurt.


Do 10 of those with a 400 break in between and you should be able to run a 2:32 road marathon. \:\)


fuck. that. shit. \:\|


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/03/15 01:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

earlier in the summer I was afraid I was regressing. Now I'm fairly certain I am.

friday I sumitted mt. hamilton via bike [a 60 mile long, vertical mile day] took sat off then sun had my former-routine of a long-jog.

Did a ~3-4 mile hike with ~500' of vert in the morning on sunday. not sure if mentioning this matters. was super slow

in the late afternoon I do a super slow warmup jog [2.5 mile @ 14:00/mi lol] and then do a ~7.6 mile at a reasonable effort [9:10 or so] until around mile 7 I backed off a bit because whiny

I'm sitting here at my desk monday morning and my legs are THRASHED lol \:\|

like it hurts to get off my chair

I'm a 2 on this scale

http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Delayed_Onset_Muscle_Soreness

so either I'm still fucked from Friday [Saturday I was super fine, no pain whatsoever/soreness], or I've grown another vagina


**DONOTDELETE**
()
08/03/15 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Also, 800m PR this morning. 2:32.
That fucking hurt.


Do 10 of those with a 400 break in between and you should be able to run a 2:32 road marathon. \:\)

So that's a rough calculator? take you 800m intervals time and it's your approximate marathon?


**DONOTDELETE**
()
08/03/15 01:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: importhondastickaz
earlier in the summer I was afraid I was regressing. Now I'm fairly certain I am.

friday I sumitted mt. hamilton via bike [a 60 mile long, vertical mile day] took sat off then sun had my former-routine of a long-jog.

Did a ~3-4 mile hike with ~500' of vert in the morning on sunday. not sure if mentioning this matters. was super slow

in the late afternoon I do a super slow warmup jog [2.5 mile @ 14:00/mi lol] and then do a ~7.6 mile at a reasonable effort [9:10 or so] until around mile 7 I backed off a bit because whiny

I'm sitting here at my desk monday morning and my legs are THRASHED lol \:\|

like it hurts to get off my chair

I'm a 2 on this scale

http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Delayed_Onset_Muscle_Soreness

so either I'm still fucked from Friday [Saturday I was super fine, no pain whatsoever/soreness], or I've grown another vagina

DOMS normally don't start for me until at least 24 hours, peak at 48, subside around 72.
Plus doms doesn't necessarily equate to weakness.

Basically you're being a whiner, but it sound slike you had a solid weekend.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/15 01:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, it's what you can maintain for 10x800 with a 400 rest between. They're called Yasso 800's, and the time I used them they were remarkably accurate.


 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Also, 800m PR this morning. 2:32.
That fucking hurt.


Do 10 of those with a 400 break in between and you should be able to run a 2:32 road marathon. \:\)

So that's a rough calculator? take you 800m intervals time and it's your approximate marathon?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/15 01:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Today I signed up for 2 races. I managed to get into the Angeles Crest 100 next August. One of th most iconic and toughest hundred milers in the country.

Then this evening my buddy asked me if I wanted to carpool with him up to Malibu in 3 weeks to run the Bulldog 50k. I figured "why not." It may not be my best race, but it will fall in line nicely with pacing Ampsman at his hundred in September before running my Arizona hundred in October.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/15 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice...

Stickaz - I agree; that run probably aggravated your recovery from the hike. Sounds normal to me.


Finished another triathlon Sunday. Met some cool people who all exclaimed, "you actually biked in that thing??" Probably my last road 'race' on a mountain bike. Times haven't been posted, but I think I averaged just over 2 hrs for the 500M swim, 30K bike, and 5K run. Had a blast and will probably do again (with a proper bike lol).


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/15 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

congrats \:D

u know u have your very own tri thread here

be honest: how many times did you hear "on your left"? \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/04/15 02:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way, way too many times.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
08/04/15 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Today I signed up for 2 races. I managed to get into the Angeles Crest 100 next August. One of th most iconic and toughest hundred milers in the country.

Then this evening my buddy asked me if I wanted to carpool with him up to Malibu in 3 weeks to run the Bulldog 50k. I figured "why not." It may not be my best race, but it will fall in line nicely with pacing Ampsman at his hundred in September before running my Arizona hundred in October.


Nice, AC! I bet that will be epic. And some tune up races/pacing, that's awesome. You'll be having a good Fall I think. I'll be ding my Javelina training running in circles around my neighborhood, lol. I might actually branch out some, maybe even run on the beach some!

I skipped my run yesterday because of a 14 hour work day. I also didn't have a run on Sunday, having 2 days without a run hasn't happened like in forever so it was weird, lol. Ultimately, just pushing back yesterday's run to today, and then today's to tomorrow to fill in that off day. So 2 days off running followed by 6 days in a row of running, lol. Most are just short ones though, so won't be bad.

Hit 151 miles last month, probably go up from there this month and September and then October drop some again to taper into Javelina.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/15 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It feels good to be training with a purpose again. I decided to add in the 25 mile option when I'm up to pace Ampsman at the Headlands Hundred. This way I'll be able to reign him in on the first 25 mile loop, while getting my own long run in at the same time. Then I'll pace him for his last loop. Should be a nice little weekend!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/15 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

when is that? /might spectate

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/07/15 05:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sep 12/13.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/09/15 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

42 miles on the treadmill this week.

Lividentity
(Major Member)
08/09/15 01:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're a psychopath good sir. I did 37 all on the roads in Florida heat, so I have lots of room to talk! Haha.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/09/15 10:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
42 miles on the treadmill this week.


You have some catching up to do if you're going to beat me.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/15 12:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, it's only going to go up until the kids go back to school on the 2nd. \:D Hope to hit 60 miles this week.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/15 12:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"Hope" is not the word I'd want to use.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 11:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a mile PR on a nice downhill fire road. 5:14.
Was hoping to go sub 5 but had some lingering adductor tightness that made me back off a bit.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SPEEDWORK FOR?!?!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 12:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SPEEDWORK FOR?!?!


I shouldnt be doing speed work a month out from a 100 miler?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 02:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"I don't consider race-pace speedwork"


[/stolen from another thread]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 03:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: NonChosenUsername
"I don't consider race-pace speedwork"


[/stolen from another thread]


I don't...and if Donnie has even a single mile faster than twice that mile speed at Headlands, I'm gonna punch him in his balls.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/15 04:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: NonChosenUsername
"I don't consider race-pace speedwork"


[/stolen from another thread]


I don't...and if Donnie has even a single mile faster than twice that mile speed at Headlands, I'm gonna punch him in his balls.




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/23/15 12:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a really solid race in the Malibu Mountains yesterday. 2 loop 50k course (slightly short) with almost 7k feet of climbing and some bone shaking downhills. The goal was to try and have a really even effort on the two loops and I ended up having almost dead even splits. After the first loop I counted how many people I passed, and it was around 25. Finished 29th out of 236 runners.





stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/15 01:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick bro! great job/solid effort/impressive!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/31/15 01:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a great long run tonight. 4 mile warmup with the wife and the dog, then 12 more around the LBC. After a lackluster week of treadmill recovery runs from the above mentioned 50k (it fucking wrecked my quads) it felt fantastic to get out for a nice long effort where I felt strong and somewhat quick again. 8:15 average with the last 3 miles sub 7:30.
Oh, and the Garmin 920xt is tits!


SJP0tato
(Member)
08/31/15 11:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Had a great long run tonight. 4 mile warmup with the wife and the dog, then 12 more around the LBC. After a lackluster week of treadmill recovery runs from the above mentioned 50k (it fucking wrecked my quads) it felt fantastic to get out for a nice long effort where I felt strong and somewhat quick again. 8:15 average with the last 3 miles sub 7:30.
Oh, and the Garmin 920xt is tits!


Nice! Were there a lot of downhill sections on the 50k? I've heard/read the downhill sections are what gets your quads more than anything (pancake flat Phx runner here).

I decided to upgrade to the 920xt from the 310xt earlier this year, it's pretty slick!

In my own running events, I start my "real" marathon training in 2 weeks. I've been mostly wrapping up the previous Pfitzinger 18-week 55 mile peak plan, nursing a weird knee injury the past few weeks that's had my mileage down. I guess that puts me at t-minus 20 weeks until my first full.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah. Each loop was basically one long uphill followed by a long, pretty steep downhill. Great for the lungs...not do great for the quads. I do specific downhill training too, but this was a bit much for them, lol.


Hope the knee starts feeling better. Sounds like you've got a fantastic base mileage to lead you into this next cycle. Goal?


Dr. BrokenLimits
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am running a marathon September 13. I am slow. I was told I should post about it here. I ran 105 miles in the month of July and I ran 99 in the month of August.

I do not feel prepared. I am worried


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 02:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

respect the distance! [no idea how to apply that tidbit]

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 02:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

100 mile months is nothing to sneeze at. Good luck!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dr. BrokenLimits
I am running a marathon September 13. I am slow. I was told I should post about it here. I ran 105 miles in the month of July and I ran 99 in the month of August.

I do not feel prepared. I am worried



Based on the runs you've posted on FB, you're pretty well setup to have a great race. It will hurt from mile 18 or so on, but that's when you just suck it up and carry on. \:D


SJP0tato
(Member)
09/01/15 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah. Each loop was basically one long uphill followed by a long, pretty steep downhill. Great for the lungs...not do great for the quads. I do specific downhill training too, but this was a bit much for them, lol.


Hope the knee starts feeling better. Sounds like you've got a fantastic base mileage to lead you into this next cycle. Goal?


I keep thinking I should do some downhill work for insurance... maybe I'll step up my game.

I've got my first full in Feb, then another 5 weeks later in March. I think for my first one I'm going to go pretty conservative, maybe 7:20-7:30ish pace. The one in March has a net downhill (the reason I should start the downhill training) and depending how the first ends up and how I feel, I'll probably target a 7:05-7:10 and shoot for a Boston qual if I'm lucky.



March course profile:


Dr. BrokenLimits
(Post Master Supreme)
09/01/15 04:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Dr. BrokenLimits
I am running a marathon September 13. I am slow. I was told I should post about it here. I ran 105 miles in the month of July and I ran 99 in the month of August.

I do not feel prepared. I am worried



Based on the runs you've posted on FB, you're pretty well setup to have a great race. It will hurt from mile 18 or so on, but that's when you just suck it up and carry on. \:D


That is kind of what I am thinking. It is a very large loop around the city of Sioux Falls that is apparently scenic. I am thinking I will be ok. I am not going to be setting any records but I think I will finish in a respectable time.


Sir Ironpool
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09/01/15 05:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Yeah. Each loop was basically one long uphill followed by a long, pretty steep downhill. Great for the lungs...not do great for the quads. I do specific downhill training too, but this was a bit much for them, lol.


Hope the knee starts feeling better. Sounds like you've got a fantastic base mileage to lead you into this next cycle. Goal?


I keep thinking I should do some downhill work for insurance... maybe I'll step up my game.

I've got my first full in Feb, then another 5 weeks later in March. I think for my first one I'm going to go pretty conservative, maybe 7:20-7:30ish pace. The one in March has a net downhill (the reason I should start the downhill training) and depending how the first ends up and how I feel, I'll probably target a 7:05-7:10 and shoot for a Boston qual if I'm lucky.



March course profile:


That's a really good plan...use that first one as a learning experience. Pacing is such a huge part of a good marathon time. You basically have to ride this really fine edge from stat to finish. For me focus was the key to me getting my BQ. Focus on race specific training, but mostly in the race itself. It's all about settling into your goal pace and tuning everything else out.
In your first you're going to be so distracted by everyone around you, the discomfort you might start feeling, etc.

But shit....if you feel good at your BQ pace, then might as well go for it. \:D


stickaz_old
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09/01/15 08:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm targetting a 4:00/marathon hehe. As somebody once told me: why don't you go ahead and break 2:00 in a half first and then get back to me...

mad kudos to anyone anywhere near a BQ pace :notworthy:


SJP0tato
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09/01/15 10:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
That's a really good plan...use that first one as a learning experience. Pacing is such a huge part of a good marathon time. You basically have to ride this really fine edge from stat to finish. For me focus was the key to me getting my BQ. Focus on race specific training, but mostly in the race itself. It's all about settling into your goal pace and tuning everything else out.
In your first you're going to be so distracted by everyone around you, the discomfort you might start feeling, etc.

But shit....if you feel good at your BQ pace, then might as well go for it. \:D


Thanks, nice having some confirmation on my plan. \:\)
I figure if it's anything like my first half a few years back, it'll be overwhelming on its own.
I've got a small half-marathon in Nov I'm hoping to benchmark my progress with. If I can hold my 6:50 pace (I think it'll be easier than the last half I did with the extra endurance from the 20-mile long runs), then I can nudge in just under 1:30 for a new PR.


Dr. BrokenLimits
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09/08/15 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I know they say not to put a time on your first marathon but FUCK I hope I finish in time to see the award ceremony

Race is this Sunday. Feeling VERY nervous.

6:30 Official Start of Marathon and Marathon Relay
11:00 am Award Ceremony

Got my number (1105). A little over 300 people are running the Sioux Falls Marathon. About 35 are in my age class (30-35).


Sir Ironpool
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09/08/15 10:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I would tell you not to stress, but that's impossible. \:D all I can say is to enjoy every second of the experience. Rest well this week, start hydrating on Thursday and run your race. As they say, the hay is in the barn!

Dr. BrokenLimits
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09/08/15 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran 4 yesterday and I was thinking 4 tomorrow and then 1 Friday.

Design
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09/08/15 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Agreed. Sunday will simply be a celebration of all the work to get there. Enjoy it!

Sir Ironpool
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09/08/15 11:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Perfect!

 Originally Posted By: Dr. BrokenLimits
I ran 4 yesterday and I was thinking 4 tomorrow and then 1 Friday.


Design
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09/08/15 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Forgot to mention I did Conquer the Bridge this weekend with friends from work. Despite taking it easy in the heat, I managed to place 182 of 3147. Fun race, but brutal hills lol.

Sir Ironpool
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09/08/15 01:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Kent...I've always wanted to do that race and the Mt. Baldy race which was the same day.

Dr. BrokenLimits
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09/14/15 07:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not sure what happened but the wheels kind of fell off around mile 20. It's not that I was tired or hurt, I just wasn't mentally in the race. It was a very odd feeling. I still finished. It was my first marathon. If/when I do another one I will probably do a little longer long runs toward the end (my longest was 19 before I did this).

My official time was 4:34:06. My goal was to finish between 4:15-4:30. If I had stayed on pace like I was before mile 20 I would have hit that and more. Oh well.

I finished 17th in my age class out of 20. Damn 30-35 class



stickaz_old
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09/14/15 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job dude!_hey you finished!

Impulsive
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09/14/15 10:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, just finishing a marathon is impressive. Still 4-1/2 hours straight of running. That's a ton.

Design
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09/14/15 10:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well done. 4:34 is nothing to sneeze at.

That feeling at mile 20 will not change with future marathons lol.


Dr. BrokenLimits
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09/14/15 10:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design


That feeling at mile 20 will not change with future marathons lol.


Quite a few people told me that.

I can't help but think I could have been just a little more prepared.


SJP0tato
(Member)
09/14/15 10:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Dr. BrokenLimits
Not sure what happened but the wheels kind of fell off around mile 20. It's not that I was tired or hurt, I just wasn't mentally in the race. It was a very odd feeling. I still finished. It was my first marathon. If/when I do another one I will probably do a little longer long runs toward the end (my longest was 19 before I did this).

My official time was 4:34:06. My goal was to finish between 4:15-4:30. If I had stayed on pace like I was before mile 20 I would have hit that and more. Oh well.

I finished 17th in my age class out of 20. Damn 30-35 class


Nice!

If you get a chance, a race report would be cool (it's always fun to read about other's experience/impression during the race at various points).


In my own running journey, today's my day 1 of the Pfitzinger 18wk/75mi plan. I made it through the summer on the 18wk/55mi plan, with some kind of knee injury in the last 4 weeks or so (really weird soreness that'd crop up intermittently). Some stretches seemed to make it finally go away: most specifically this one a trainer recommended when I described the symptoms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKm1jeD11xY
so I'm off to a good start.

I think I'm going to be a little more conservative this time around, if I'm feeling super sore and/or stiff cutting out the speedwork for that day's run, and I think I'm going to try cycling for an hour instead of the 5-6mi recovery runs he has in the mid week for extra recovery time at least 1x per week if not both (recovery days are Wed/Fri for me).

We'll see how it goes, I'm feeling super strong cardio-wise from the summertime running. My legs I think will have to be my main focus on the build up to Jan's race.


Dr. BrokenLimits
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09/15/15 07:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I am not sure what all is involved and to be honest, there are parts of the race I do not even remember.

The Sioux Falls Marathon is a new race. The route is new this year and is a certified Boston qualifier. It had a lot of turns and it had some decent elevation changes. Here is the route:

Link to map

I live about 60 miles south of Sioux Falls. I got a hotel for Saturday night. I was in bed pretty early but had a really hard time sleeping. I woke up about every hour or so. I got up at 4:45 and got dressed. Drinking water the entire time. The gun went off at 6:30am and there was supposed to be a few pre race events.

The organizers did not stick to the schedule very well and that made me a little nervous. Just before the gun I felt that I had to pee. Oh well.

During my long runs I was pacing about 9:40/mile. I felt good with that pace and that was my plan for the entire race. I wanted to settle my nerves though so I decided to just hang back with the 10:07 pace group for the first few miles and then I would move up.

This was a solid plan except these ass holes kept bunching up and would not sort themselves out. I was getting pretty annoyed by mile 5 (and wasn't settling down) and I had to pee pretty bad.

I went out in front of the 10:07 pacers and gained a bit of lead. At mile 5 we were in Falls Park and a real bathroom. I peeled off and peed. It was the longest pee EVER for some reason. I then headed back on to the course. The good thing was I knew that if I slowly reeled back in the 10:07 group I would not have lost too much time.

I caught them about mile 7 and then decided I would get out in front of them for good.

The race had a lot of spectators at some points and they were all terrific. There was one group that was along the Big Sioux river in a sort of channel where it is just runners and bikers. There were a ton of them and it really got my feeling pretty good.

I really cannot report too much after that other than I was just trying to maintain my pace. I had a decent lead on the 10:07 people and I could barely see anyone in front of me. As with just about every race I have ever done I manage to get into some middle lull where I am all alone. All fine with me.

I only drank water at the aid stations and I chewed 100 calorie things about every 2-3 miles. I was feeling damn good and confident until mile 20.

There was an aid station and I can remember thinking man, I am not feeling this. I sipped two cups of water at a brisk walk through the station (as I did with most of the stations) but I couldn't get motivated again. There was a woman in pink that was doing the same thing in front of me and when she started to run again I just latched on to her. I am not even sure she noticed me. I was about 6 feet behind her though.

She kept checking her pace and she was running exactly 9:40 (I confirmed) so I just held on to her for about 1.5 miles. Then we hit another aid station and I had the same problem again. This time after the aid station there was a long run along the Big Sioux again that went over a bridge and back. I told myself I would walk until the bridge and then run again.

OF COURSE the bridge is where two of my CURRENT students were volunteers. I remember telling the first one, "this is the worst idea I have ever had" and the second one told me to "pick it up, I will drive you to class on Monday" (ironically she was not in class yesterday?).

Anyway I picked it back up then and then I basically ran about 3/4 of mile and then walked 1/4 and then ran 3/4 until I was with a woman that was essentially doing the same thing. She asked me if this was my first and told me I looked very strong and that I probably needed to work on my eating during the race. She ran a 100 miler in the BLACK HILLS last week!!!! That is why she was "struggling."

But, I owe her big. She pushed me. She said things like, "we will run until X spot then walk a few" and then when we were walking she would make me run with her. We chatted the entire time and we ran for the last mile. The last 0.2 of the race were inside the large stadium and we did one lap on the track. She told me if I did not sprint it she would be disappointed

She was awesome.

At the end of the day, I am a little disappointed because I know I could have done better. The mile 20 thing is weird because it is not that I was tired or that I was sore, I just was not feeling it.

Anyway, I will be doing another. I just bought a bike and I am looking at a few triathlons as well.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/15 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This post does not encourage me for my first 26.2 next year

Dr. BrokenLimits
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/15 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You should definitely do it. Advice for you would be to make your final long runs around 22-23 miles (I only made it to 19). Also make a plan for eating along the course. I think I waited too long to eat (when I started sucking instead of early before I started sucking).

If I had done those things I am very sure I never would have walked and would have maintained my pace.


Sir Ironpool
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09/15/15 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great write up! You should feel confident..you had a totally respectable first marathon and you also had the classic first marathon experience.

That feeling you had at 20? Yeah...that was a bonk. Maybe lack of nutrition, maybe lack of long runs, likely a combo of the two. Mostly though...it's all about gaining experience. Pacing is a huge part of marathonong, so the bouncing around between paces early on likely taxed you a little too much.

Mile 20is also a fantastic time to put some headphones in and jam out.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/15 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In my own running endeavors, my training buildup for Javelina 100 is going well. Didn't get the big weekend of training I wanted last week because of my father in law getting sick, but I'm averaging well over 50 miles a weekend will continue to bump that up to a couple of 70 milers. Signed up for a tough trail marathon for next weekend (6k feet of vert!) that should be another good test of fitness.
Body is feeling super tough and my weight continues to drop.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/15 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I also encourage doing at least one 22-24 miler in training. It doesn't really do much beyond 20 miles for conditioning. But the perspective gained is huge IMO.

The "wall" is simply that condition where the mind is says one thing and the body says another. Pain isn't always involved; it seems to be more mental fatigue.

The one thing that's helped me more than anything else is back-to-back long runs. They are really the only way IMO to encounter that condition repeatedly in training, and teach the mind & body to move past it.

I start marathon training in two weeks for the LA Marathon. Going to be a big one this year with the Olympic Trials. Should be fun!


2000SiRacer
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09/15/15 12:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
In my own running endeavors, my training buildup for Javelina 100 is going well. Didn't get the big weekend of training I wanted last week because of my father in law getting sick, but I'm averaging well over 50 miles a weekend will continue to bump that up to a couple of 70 milers. Signed up for a tough trail marathon for next weekend (6k feet of vert!) that should be another good test of fitness.
Body is feeling super tough and my weight continues to drop.


Looking forward to hearing how this one goes. I expect sub-24

In my ultra running news, my little brother signed up for the Run Rabbit Run 50 miler last week. Hasn't exactly been doing a ton of running but he did run a 25 mile and trail marathon this summer. Otherwise he hikes a lot. I think he's in for a world of pain but he knows that and is looking forward to it. Same brother who has jumped into a couple century bike rides on our mom's 15 year old steel Trek haha


Sir Ironpool
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09/15/15 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ultrasignup has me projected at 21 hours.

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
In my own running endeavors, my training buildup for Javelina 100 is going well. Didn't get the big weekend of training I wanted last week because of my father in law getting sick, but I'm averaging well over 50 miles a weekend will continue to bump that up to a couple of 70 milers. Signed up for a tough trail marathon for next weekend (6k feet of vert!) that should be another good test of fitness.
Body is feeling super tough and my weight continues to drop.


Looking forward to hearing how this one goes. I expect sub-24

In my ultra running news, my little brother signed up for the Run Rabbit Run 50 miler last week. Hasn't exactly been doing a ton of running but he did run a 25 mile and trail marathon this summer. Otherwise he hikes a lot. I think he's in for a world of pain but he knows that and is looking forward to it. Same brother who has jumped into a couple century bike rides on our mom's 15 year old steel Trek haha


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
09/15/15 04:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And I expect you to beat that! I'm looking for something ending in -teen now.

Sir Ironpool
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09/20/15 10:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Solid week of training here. 71 miles, 178 for the month so far. Had a couple real good race-specific runs where it was super hot out, and I felt strong. Body is feeling rock solid too. Plan is to try and do at least 25 this week before the Saddleback Mountain marathon on Saturday. Should be hot, and it has 6k feet of vert....ill be shooting for sub 5 hours and top 10 overall.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/20/15 11:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice Chris.

For me, LA Marathon training kicked off this weekend. Probably going to do a running group this time around. See if I can finally break that elusive 4hr barrier.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/15 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Solid week of training here. 71 miles, 178 for the month so far. Had a couple real good race-specific runs where it was super hot out, and I felt strong. Body is feeling rock solid too. Plan is to try and do at least 25 this week before the Saddleback Mountain marathon on Saturday. Should be hot, and it has 6k feet of vert....ill be shooting for sub 5 hours and top 10 overall.




Wish I could have made it down for that one. You're gonne kill it!

As for me....COMMENCE 5K TRAINING!!!

Shooting for sub 17, but we'll see.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/23/15 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sick, thats my next goal too [not the 17 minute part]

Sir Ironpool
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09/26/15 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a pretty good race this morning. They shortened it by two miles to 24 due to the high heat, but it still had almost 5k feet of vert, most of it exposed. Did a good job of keeping myself cool and hydrated and managed a 4:22 and 8th OA, 2nd 40-49 AG.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/15 12:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow great job!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/15 01:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job Chris. Crazy heat today, no doubt.

I was out in Temecula today doing the Spartan Beast. At 97°, they projected that well over 30% (~1700) would be DNF.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/01/15 12:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ended up with my 3rd highest mileage month with 258. A few dozen more would look good on paper, but I'm feeling pretty solid right now and I'm feeling confident that I have a sub 22 hour finish in me for Javelina Jundred in 30 days.

Hoping to have 2 more big weeks of training, then a good taper.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/01/15 06:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man I feel like a total failure with 163 miles last month, hahaha. Though, I should have had almost 200 but had some issues and had to cut some runs short. Still happy with it!

My plan right now is 24 hours from now starting my 40 mile run and doing it overnight, ugh. I just assume it will be terrible, lol.

My hope is to finish Javelina Jundred in like 28-30 hours though. You'll be done when I finish 100k probably, haha.


Ampsman in Extremis
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10/03/15 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Spur of the moment trail half, ended up being almost 14 miles with 3600 feet vert. Did it in 2:14 for 14th overall in a pretty deep field since there was $1000 first place check. The winner of last weekends San jose rock n roll half ran it and only beat me by about 5 minutes. Pretty brutal and hot course. Had fun though and helped pace the first place woman thru a rough patch. Ran her first trail half and got $1000 check, not bad.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/15 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jordan/meb only beat you by 5 mins? (The 1:03 guys) /woa

Ampsman in Extremis
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10/03/15 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No meb, just Jordan and another kenyan who ended up winning.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/15 04:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy chit dude

Ampsman in Extremis
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10/03/15 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's not cause I was killing it, I think he probably just gave up at some point.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/15 04:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

old-guy podiumed today \:o [3rd in AG of 113, 24th overall of like 1612 hahah] --yes field was slow as fuck \:D [yes I scouted the last years and new I had a shot at a podium so I did my best and even warmed up and everything lol]



until the hill, I was on a solid PR, thats a decent cry-worthy hill [to me], I dealt with it ok tho. not quite a 5K PR but GAP adjusted [7:04 pace] it is

I was pretty stoked to see mile 2 go by under 14:00 and I was feeling fine, but I knew I had the hill to worry about. Yes I will be mounting this plaque in my office haha


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/15 06:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hockey started last night. I was the only one in decent shape so I pretty much played 80% of the game. Fuck I'm sore in weird places.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/04/15 09:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Stickaz!


So my my father in law passed away on Friday morning, so obviously running took a backseat to my running, but I was able to do a couple of late night runs that felt great and were really therapeutic too. 51 miles, quite a few shy of my baseline goal of 60-65, but Im feeling extremely fit so I'm not too worried.

RIP Don!


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/15 09:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sorry about the FIL \:\( IIRC, you were pretty close with in-laws.

On the fitness/injury front, my achillis area is very sore. The tendon feels ok, but any pressure on my heel hurts like mad. Knees are also very sore from hockey.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/15 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I guess I'll update here or start a separate thread about my marathon training. LA Marathon is Valentine's Day and we've already started our 8-10 mile long runs. My training will be focused more on quality over quantity:

- Monday: Interval or hill training
- Tuesday: Strength
- Wednesday: Tempo or repeats
- Thursday: Strength
- Friday: Medium run at race pace
- Saturday: Long run at race pace
- Sunday: Rest or light cross-training


Like most, I tend to blow up around mile 18-20. Hoping the Fri/Sat back-to-back runs will help. Open to opinions!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/15 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sweet. I'm currently debating whether or not I do a marathon next year lol. Looking at July for the SF marathon [wee hills] if I do so. I'd be targetting 4:10 or so most likely, if not 4:20 hehe. 4:20:00 actually would be kinda funny to hit precisely [420, hehe...]

honestly I'm more interested in trying to be fast at this point I recently discovered. I know they kinda blur together but I gotta admit pounding out those miles past 18 or whatever in a training run strike me as highly no bueno. I'm trying to have fun here lol

eg I'd like to focus on 5k "speed" lol 21 minutes and then maybe put together a decent [to me] half before I worry about a marathon...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/18/15 09:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You might surprise yourself. For me it was just the challenge of being able to do it. The running group this time around is making it a lot more rewarding. That said, sticking with a single distance/time goal is probably a good idea. \:D

Training called for an 8 miler this weekend. Decided to do 12 in preparation for the LA Half next week. Going to do another 6 miler tomorrow and Weds. Some strength Tues and Thurs. Then take it easy Fri-Sat. Haven't done long distance training for a while. But I'm happy with this past Saturday's results.




Sir Ironpool
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10/18/15 11:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Kent! I bet you'll PR the hell out of LA.

Managed to put my head down and crank out my biggest week of training this year. Less than 2 weeks to go till Javelina, and I'm pretty excited for it. Should be a completely different experience than Leadville, but hopefully just as amazing. Ultrasignup has me predicted with a 20:55 finish. :scary: 3 hours for each 15 mile loop is roughly 12 mpm pace and would give me 2 hours for the last 9 miles. In my head that's totally doable, but a lot can happen in a hundo. \:D I really just like the idea of finishing before the second sunrise.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/15 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have no doubt you'll do great man. Impressive mileage.

**DONOTDELETE**
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10/19/15 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job Kent! I bet you'll PR the hell out of LA.

Managed to put my head down and crank out my biggest week of training this year. Less than 2 weeks to go till Javelina, and I'm pretty excited for it. Should be a completely different experience than Leadville, but hopefully just as amazing. Ultrasignup has me predicted with a 20:55 finish. :scary: 3 hours for each 15 mile loop is roughly 12 mpm pace and would give me 2 hours for the last 9 miles. In my head that's totally doable, but a lot can happen in a hundo. \:D I really just like the idea of finishing before the second sunrise.




I think you're running more most weeks than I cycle, jackass


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/15 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whelp, LA Half is done. They rerouted the last half of the course around 6th street construction. That added about 800ft of vert. But I felt fairly strong the entire race. Mile 11 was a heartbreaker. You can see the incline looming about a mile away lol. Everyone around me seemed to slowed down or walk that final incline.

I did better than I has expected @ 1:50:xx. About a minute off my OC Half PR. Runkeeper was totally off but here are some basic stats:




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/15 02:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wewt good job bro! I'm amazed the LA basin has an 800' hill tho /tangent

Pace looks all over the place... So you use a GPS watch?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/15 03:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. That vert is cumulative. Couple back-to-back trips through Hope & First St will do that.

No GPS watch, just the phone. I should probably pick up a weatherproof one for the Tri's.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/15 02:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Figure I'd post this here. Ran the marine corps marathon this past Sunday.

Got to the finish line late, missed my pace group by 10 minutes, so I had to fight through traffic for the first 8 miles or so, which explains the slower-than-I'd-like pace in the beginning. Still, I think it was a fairly strong showing. I'm hoping to get into the low 3:1x:00's next year, and maybe even go for a boston qualifying time (3:05:00).



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/15 10:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job dude...and that slow start got you a negative split..really hard to do at the distance!

SJP0tato
(Member)
10/29/15 10:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas
Figure I'd post this here. Ran the marine corps marathon this past Sunday.


Very nice, good & consistent pacing the whole way. How'd you like the MCM?


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/15 07:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Love the MCM. The crowds are fantastic, and even though I live in DC, there's just something about running a race in the nation's capital.
That being said, you HAVE to make your pace group if you want to go out strong. 35000 runners=weaving in and out and fighting traffic for a while if you are late to the start.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/15 07:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job dude...and that slow start got you a negative split..really hard to do at the distance!

Thanks!

I agree with your assessment; I think I can start off at a 7:50 or so and still maintain a negative split next time. Granted, I have a bit of work to do to get to BQ times, but I feel like I'm getting close. Fingers crossed for next year...or I can wait until I turn 35 and try for a 3:10 haha


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/15 12:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Updating this thread. Knocked out another week of marathon training with a 6 mile tempo Wednesday, a 4 miler Friday, and 14 miles today. Going to keep with the back-to-back runs as long as my body allows lol.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/15 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pretty happy I just knocked 3 mins off my 10K PR [prior PR was in an oly tri tho so I figure it was just a matter of time]

was kinda hot out, maybe 80, bright sun, did this on a trail. HR looked about right [creeped up to about 160 at the end], looks like I conservatively paced it so I should be able to pull another minute or so out I think (?) dunno

first time ever going sub 50:00 in a 10k tho heh

51:20 PR 10K 4/15 48:22 10K PR 11/1/15



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/15 01:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FAST!! That's almost on par with my 6-7 mile tempo runs. Keep that up and you'll be pushing 45 min 10Ks no problem.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/15 02:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wewt thanks. now I just need to tick off a 21:xx 5k this year and I'll have met all my running goals but for the half distance where I thought I could do 1:50 but wouldve accepted 1:52-1:54 and ended up at 1:57 /darnit

oh well. next year

I read somewhere last night that a sub 50:00 10k implies the person is fit enough to run a 1:50 half AND a <4 hr marathon

I will try for both of those next year, but honestly more interested in developing 5k speed. It's probably all kind of the same thing tho at my newb level [more fit = faster at all these things]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/15 05:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, notched another BQ marathon in my belt. Decided on Wednesday (after a DNF/drop to 100k at Javelina this past Saturday) to sign up for the Revel Canyon City marathon, a race my buddy was doing as his 7th attempt at a Boston Qualifyer. Basically a run from almost 6k feet up in the San Gabriel's down Hwy 39 (Azusa Canyon) to the city of Azusa. There were about 3 miles worth of hills scattered in there as well, but mostly it was about running efficiently (staying light, keeping good form) and smart (lots of turns so running tangents was key) so as not to blow up the legs.
I was a moron and forgot my watch, so all I could do was start Strava on my phone and put it in the pocket of my handheld for the duration, so I had no idea what was going on as far as pace. I stuck to the 3:10 pacer for a good bit, but he seemed all over the place, and I pulled ahead for several miles then he blew by me (with nobody left in his group) at mile 20. I was still running strong so I let him go, but he never got more than 30 seconds ahead of me. The course empties out of the canyon and onto the city streets with 5k to go, and I was expecting to feel flat after an extended downhill, but I was able to put the hammer down. Ran the last 3.1 in 21:56 and went from 73rd to 64th....passing the 3:10 pacer with a half mile to go. I feel like this was my strongest finish in a long time. I felt totally in control and never came close to bonking. I used Tailwind in my handheld, refilling with a single serving pouch at the halfway. I went from 142nd to 64th in th second half..which is where all the hills were. Finished 64/1200 overall and 12/100 in my AG. With my new 40-44 AG, I'm now in the BQ -5:00 club, which means in 11 months I'll get to register a few days early for Boston 2017.
3:07:38 official time.
So, overall I'm really happy...especially after running a 100k 7 days before this.


I will say....I can't recommend the Revel race series enough. They put on a top notch event...by far the best marathon experience I've had, next to Boston of course.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
11/07/15 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man good job! I went out to try to do 3 miles on Wednesday and felt like I half pulled my hamstring and did 1 mile. Haha, though today I have felt good so might try running again tomorrow.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/15 09:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Maybe the last warm (*) day for biking, went out for 40k. Legs tired, but a threesome group passed me like nothing. I know I'm not fast, but find it off how easily they passed me.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/15 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work Chris! Good way to give that DNF the finger lol.

Had a good week of training. 7 mile tempo. 3x1.5 repeats, and a solid 12 mile at half marathon pace. Body feels strong so I'll go at it hard again this week.







Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/15 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Kent...it did feel good to focus on something else and have it turn out so well.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/15 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^that was really cool to see drop on strava over the weekend--I figured you'd be fucked [from the 100k earlier in the week]. Damn fine run man.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/15 09:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a great LSR just now. Even though the second half was in the pitch black and I was tripping and backtracking in a few places, I beat my half PR on a GAP basis just now lol. HR suggests I wasn't working very hard (132 avg, about 140-142 in the last 5k where I picked up the pace)

Pretty stoked. Never felt this strong on a LSR before and perhaps my fail late sept in the San Jose half was just a bad day and some nerves (I went 1:57:xx, about 7:xx over predicted capability based on race pace testing)

I was just trying to aim for my LSR/easy pace of like 9:30 or so but was just going on feel really, felt really easy so I sped up a bit. Decided to keep it easy and to push a little on the last 5k after the first couple miles in





Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/15 01:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. Fast!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/15 05:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
Had a great LSR just now. Even though the second half was in the pitch black and I was tripping and backtracking in a few places, I beat my half PR on a GAP basis just now lol. HR suggests I wasn't working very hard (132 avg, about 140-142 in the last 5k where I picked up the pace)

Pretty stoked. Never felt this strong on a LSR before and perhaps my fail late sept in the San Jose half was just a bad day and some nerves (I went 1:57:xx, about 7:xx over predicted capability based on race pace testing)

I was just trying to aim for my LSR/easy pace of like 9:30 or so but was just going on feel really, felt really easy so I sped up a bit. Decided to keep it easy and to push a little on the last 5k after the first couple miles in





creek trail after dark. thats a bold move.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/15 05:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you think thats bad do the guadalupe or the coyote creek or anywhere near st james park downtown [those are all on my rotation hah]

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/15 05:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
you think thats bad do the guadalupe or the coyote creek or anywhere near st james park downtown [those are all on my rotation hah]


I would not do any of those my friend. I'll take my chances with mountain lions over crack heads.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/16/15 06:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
you think thats bad do the guadalupe or the coyote creek or anywhere near st james park downtown [those are all on my rotation hah]


I would not do any of those my friend. I'll take my chances with mountain lions over crack heads.

^Obviously doesn't know the best way to crack a PR.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/15 07:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Mountain lions are faster than crackheads tho no?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/15 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^Either way, brokeback mountain is not my cup of tea. \:D

Broke in a new set of GT-2000s so took it a little easier last week. But marathon training continues to go well. Knocked out a 16.7 miler Saturday. First 7 were done pacing the running group, the last 9 were done ahead of them. Averaged 8:54/mi. Plan to knock out a couple hard runs this week @ a sub-8 min/mile pace if I can.

Although the plan only calls for 12 miles Saturday, I will probably do a moderate 8-10 Friday and a faster 14 on Saturday. Possibly a short recovery run on Sunday. The back-to-backs seem to be working well.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/19/15 07:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

#hobbyJogger update:

I'm a little over 1/2 way through (On week 8) of Pfitzinger's 18-week/70-mi plan. So far things have been pretty good, some of the mid-week med/long runs can be really annoying (Tues/Thurs runs of 13-15 miles most weeks).

I've had a minor injury of some kind for a couple weeks that decided to turn into a bigger issue this past Friday (something just above the knee, maybe IT band), so I took a few days off, and now I'm doing an awkward recovery/taper process for a half-marathon I've got on Saturday. I figured I'd use this one as a guide for how fast I should run my full marathon come January.

We'll see how it goes, if I can get this injury mostly gone by Sat I'm hoping for worst case low 1:3x, and best case upper/mid 1:2x finish time.


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/21/15 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We did it csi! ... or something...

Race started out pretty good, I locked in with the 1:30 pace group right away. Initially there were about 20-25 of us in the 1:30 group, with maybe 25-30 or so ahead of us.
As we kept going, more and more people fell off the group. At the 5-mile mark it was just the 1:30 pacer, me, and another woman that were left. I was still feeling pretty good at that point, at the 6 mile mark the woman slowed for the water station and we never saw her again.

I felt really good, with some random conversation with the pacer. When we passed the 8-mile mark I joked that's where I usually started coming apart and wonder why the f I run these damn things, but wasn't feeling too bad so far this race.

Unfortunately it all caught up to me around the 10 mile marker or so, and I started really feeling it. The pacer was really cool though, and kept shouting encouragement.
Around the 12 mile mark I kinda felt like I was 50:50 making it vs passing out, figured f-it might as well push, and wound up with a new PR.

Fun smaller local race. I'll probably find out in a few days what my official time/position was, my wife thinks I was somewhere around 12th-15th place overall. I'm pretty happy with the result, since I've only been focusing on full marathon paced training, and just coming back from an injury the past couple weeks.

The new PR is around 1:27:xx, from my previous 1:31:02 (dunno what the official time is yet, I started my watch a little late on the course).

(not quite accurate result):
http://www.strava.com/activities/436724998

http://photos.napalm.net/clubsi/2015-medal.jpg


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/21/15 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^ damn fine run dude!!,

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/21/15 08:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hell yeah man...way to push it and score a huge PR!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/22/15 11:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work man. Great time!!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/15 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wrapped up another good week of marathon training. Got in a couple 7 mile runs at a 7:45 pace and a 14 mile run at an 8:15 pace. Trying to keep things fast for as long as I can.

Next up... Thursday's Turkey Trot + 16-18 mile run Saturday.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/15 09:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I posted this week's update in the Thanksgiving Challenge thread. On yesterday's run, I stuck with the running group for the first 9-10 miles before pushing ahead on my own. Next weekend calls for 12 miles. But I will probably do a hard 16 in the hopes of improving on my stamina & speed.

Taken at mile 7:



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/29/15 11:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Where is that Kent? Oneill?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/15 11:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Aliso Wood Canyon, just South of Laguna Niguel.

I forgot to mention that we met a few ultra-runners along the way. My coach made it sound like at least one of them was fairly well known in the running community. I'll ask him this week what her name was.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/15 03:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another week down. And I didn't die.
- Monday: 6 miles @ moderate pace
- Wednesday: 7 miles @ 10K pace
- Friday: 8 miles @ moderate pace
- Saturday: 16 miles @ half marathon pace

Saturday's run felt brutal lol.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/15 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Isn't your Saturday run by definition impossible? Also wed?

Need to squeak some speed days in here also gah. 28 miles last week woo (that's a lot for me lol)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/15 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

10K and half are more like training paces (not race pace). Not sure how to describe those otherwise (?). Weds averaged 7:43/mi and Sat averaged 8:32/mi. My least favorite days of the week lol.



schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/15 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool: I had a similar LSR except per my 5k "speed" my LSR pace is 9:10--9:30 per the mcmillan pace guide so I try to force myself into that range. a little slower is better than a little faster no?

on a side note the first 13.1 of this were faster than my first half race last year in sept [15 months ago], woot. That's the 2nd time recently I've done this heh

I had a few extra hours yesterday so I switched from doing a 10k-race effort into a LSR. Hopefully I can sneak that 10k workout in this week tho

as a compromise on missing a speed-ish workout I threw in a [fast for me] miles 11-14.1 [simulating the last 5k of a half I guess], I threw in a warmup 1 mile and a warmdown 1 mile in the middle of a half I guess. First mile wasnt really all that slow on a GAP basis [~9:10]

here's my LSR yesterday... https://www.strava.com/activities/445760953

Like the paces I use currently are: [based on 7:00/5k pace, ~7:30/10k pace, ~8:30 half pace, and assumed [lol dream] 9:00 full pace]

easy: 8:00--9:00
long: 9:00--9:30
recovery: 9:15--10:00

tempo: 7:00 -- 7:30

400m intervals: 1:45
800m intervals: 3:35
1mi intervals: 7:15

/straight out of mcmillan guide


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/07/15 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Somebody's getting faster. /HappyGilmore

\:D

Nice work Kent...that's some serious work you're putting in. I see a BQ in your not too distant future.


 Originally Posted By: Design
Another week down. And I didn't die.
- Monday: 6 miles @ moderate pace
- Wednesday: 7 miles @ 10K pace
- Friday: 8 miles @ moderate pace
- Saturday: 16 miles @ half marathon pace

Saturday's run felt brutal lol.


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 10:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Have ~2 months to do my best 2 mile time.. Required to be under 17 min flat.

Some background.. I tell myself every year that ill continue running so I dont have to work so hard to get back to where I need to be but it never works out. Laziness prevails. So I havent really ran since last march. Started last week doing my usual which is a slow mile to mile and a half just to get my legs back into things without hurting myself.

I'd really like to step my time up as it helps towards promotion. Im usually in the low 16 min range after ~2 months of training but obviously I dont have a clue what im doing. I feel super dumb asking this when you guys are doing 8-9 min/mi for tens of miles but any advice?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you want to run fast, you have to train fast. Run every day of the week, make two of those workouts a "speed" workout and run as hard as you can. Keep the speed workouts under your 2 mile goal distance, but make the other runs in the 3-5 mile range. Then go crush some dreams. \:D

AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Makes sense.. So run 7 days a week? That sounds... Horrible (I usually do mon, wed, fri). Will try it out tho.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 12:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

being a little closer to the posters speed/more recent memory I can say I improved my "speed" just by getting my mileage up. I dont think any of these specific workouts matter at all for somebody getting off the couch.

run 2-3x a week, then 3x, then 3-4x, gradually increase mileage. the end

it took me far, far longer than ~2 months to go from couch speed to a sub 16:00 2-miler. but I guess I started from much slower [~10 min/mile 5k speed]

I think I only finally crossed that speed threshold last year? for sure my 5k was around 25:00 at some point last year [if not higher] year before that something like 30:00 [I hope to crack 20:00 next year/comeatmebro]

then again maybe the reason it took me so damn long to improve is because I have no idea what I'm doing and just go out and yog ~98% of the time.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 01:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 04:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D



If I didnt have to do 90% of my runs before 6am I would do 7 days a week probably, but I need at least one day a week to sleep in.


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/15 06:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D


Ill be happy if I make sub 17 min, but I felt like 2-3 months is an awful long time to only get to that speed.. I guess not. Its just real discouraging when people you know show up, havent done shit for exercise all year and bust out a 15min 2 mile. Such bs

Ill do some speed runs and step up my days a week, maybe 4-5.. I just dont see myself having the ambition to run every day. I want it but not that bad. FWIW im 6'2", 185lbs, no fucks given on diet (until the week of the test). I usually lose 5-10lbs during this running period so im sure that helps with speed too. Now to work on the pushups


SJP0tato
(Member)
12/10/15 08:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Late/boring race update:

On a semi-whim, I did the Scottsdale Hot Chocolate 15k with some friends this past weekend.

It's mostly a fufu running event, but friends invited me, so who was I to say no?

I was in the first corral, but missed the announcement that they were starting, so I had to cram into the very back at the last second. After the race started I stood there not moving long enough that I started to wonder if I'd gotten into the 2nd corral somehow, but after almost a minute we finally got started and I began the battle through the hordes.

The first 1/4 mile or so was a slow shuffle as I squeezed past people, sometimes running in the gravel/gutter/curb. Anything to get by the crowd. Things finally started getting a little better around the 1/2 mile mark, and I tried to settle into my pace (I figured 6:35-6:40 would be good). I wasn't looking to kill myself, just put in a solid effort.

Just as I started to speed up, I realized I'd made a horrible mistake: In the wait before the race I had thought "man I sure laced up my shoes tight", so I untied the double knots, loosened them a bit, then re-double knotted.
Well it turns out I'd gone too far, as I could feel my feet rubbing. Since they were both double knotted I knew it'd be at least a 1-2 min stop to re-tighten, so I said f-it and kept going consequences be damned.

Miles 1-4: 6:54, 6:47, 6:54, 6:48

Around mile 5 I realized I needed to pick it up some, so I just started focusing on reeling people in and picking them off. I laughed at every "aid station" where they were giving out marshmallows and hot chocolate along with the water/gatorade.

Miles 5-8: 6:39, 6:36, 6:37, 6:44

It was starting to get pretty warm by this time, but I did my best to speed things up for the last mile. The runners had thinned out quite a bit by this time, I only saw a few people maybe 1/4 mile ahead of me after mile 7.5 or so.

Miles 9-9.4: 6:36, 3:14

Turned out to be good enough for a 1:02:28 chip time finish, which worked out to 31/2915. Not too shabby overall. About 10 seconds after I stopped, I remember thinking "Why does it feel like my feet are on fire?".
I wound up with the biggest/worst blisters of my running career: 4-5 small/med ones, and one larger 2.5" diameter one directly in the center-bottom of my foot. Good times. \:\)


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/15 10:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^sick pace bro

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/15 11:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Amazing how quickly blisters can pop up with even the slightest of changes. I have multiple pairs of shoes that I can run 30 miles in sock less a snot get a single blister. Use a new brand of socks on a 5 miler....boom, blister.


Oh yeah, and nice run! It's been so long that I've done anything short/fast and flat that sub 7 pace seems kind of daunting. I need to start doing it more often.



I'm racing the Malibu Canyon 25k on Saturday morning. Same course (but a single loop, and reverse direction) as the Bulldog 50k I did back in August. I'm looking forward to hammering it as hard as I can since I don't have to save anything for a second loop. Still has 3k feet of vert with almost all of it in one big climb from 4-14k, then all downhill from there. Did the first loop of Bulldog in 2:30, but the climb is tougher in that direction...so I'm shooting for somewhere between 2:10 and 2:15.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/15 09:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck!

Nice race report SJP0tato - solid times!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/15 07:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

negative split my LSR today into a new half-PR [wewt!], I went 1:57:38 on the much-flatter SJ RnR course as my prior PR

the whole first 5k I was being dumped on w/rain and was just looking to hold around 9:00 for the whole trail run. changed my mind when it cleared up

check out that neg-split ramp #nailed_it


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like the consistent runs are paying off. Nice job!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 11:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a good race on Saturday in the Malibu mountains. Ran it hard from start to finish...carried one bottle and made zero aid station stops. Spent the whole race chasing a dude in sandals but couldn't quite catch him, lol. Finished 6/114 overall and 2/13 in my AG.



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice dude!! Thats a super solid time!!
I've been doing the same thing in these short races, one 22oz bottle and just hammer.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 01:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was breathing too hard to drink much anyways, lol.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 02:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

happy to notice that my half-pace [flat] is just baaarely faster than your cliff-climbing pace j/k, great run. Also whats up with the sandals dude

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They were the tahuarama style Luna sandals. It was pretty awesome to see actually. I was hammering the rough downhill stuff in my 6" cushioned Altra's and I didn't put any time on him. That's impressing in "shoes" that offer zero protection other than directly under the sole.

SJP0tato
(Member)
12/14/15 09:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Finished 6/114 overall and 2/13 in my AG.


Solid run!

When you finish in the top 1-3 in your AG, do they tell you right at the finish, or do you just find out when you look up the results later at home?


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/15 10:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They usually post results as runners finish.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 12:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Funny, I didnt hear #1,782 overall being called out when I finished in San Jose

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Finished 6/114 overall and 2/13 in my AG.


Solid run!

When you finish in the top 1-3 in your AG, do they tell you right at the finish, or do you just find out when you look up the results later at home?


Yeah, this was a smaller race so the RD was standing at the finish line updating a results board every 10 minutes so I found out pretty quickly. He just handed me my "award."


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
Funny, I didnt hear #1,782 overall being called out when I finished in San Jose


you didnt wait long enough bro.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 02:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
Funny, I didnt hear #1,782 overall being called out when I finished in San Jose


the RD didnt want to wait around that long bro.


\:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus Chris you are a beast. Nicely done.


Another week down with marathon training. Missed last Monday's run but got in 6 moderate miles Weds and another 6 Friday. Followed that with a 20 miler on Saturday. Paced the Run Club @ 10:30/mi for the first 14 then kicked it up to 9:15/mi the last 6.

I am definitely feeling "the wall" past mile 17-18 which for me is a little disappointing. I am taking a few sips of water every mile, a gel every 4-6, and an occasional salt tab past mile 14. I have another 4-6 weeks to experiment with fuel and speed. Hoping things improve.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
12/15/15 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you're hitting the wall at 17-18 why not add more energy? Obviously everyone is different but for 20+ mile runs I take 3 ClifBlox every 3 miles and drink however much. Never use salt tabs myself, but that's just me. I even use Tailwind sometimes on top of the ClifBlox. I'd say up the energy you take in to see if that helps. Training runs are all experiments. \:\)

In any case, keep it up!

I've been slow since all my long training for Javelina, I have done 3 half marathons since and the last one was on trails in 1:55, was pretty happy with that. I even fell during that race for the first time on trails! Was lucky I basically fell into dirt/sand and scraped my elbow a little bit and that was it, was down and up in like 3 seconds, lol.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 04:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Jebus Chris you are a beast. Nicely done.


Another week down with marathon training. Missed last Monday's run but got in 6 moderate miles Weds and another 6 Friday. Followed that with a 20 miler on Saturday. Paced the Run Club @ 10:30/mi for the first 14 then kicked it up to 9:15/mi the last 6.

I am definitely feeling "the wall" past mile 17-18 which for me is a little disappointing. I am taking a few sips of water every mile, a gel every 4-6, and an occasional salt tab past mile 14. I have another 4-6 weeks to experiment with fuel and speed. Hoping things improve.



Hit the wall and then bend it over and fuck it and make it your bitch. Seriously though, nothing wrong with bonking during training.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/15/15 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm starting to think that the whole bonk thing is way more mental than it gets credit for. The Azusa Canyon marathon was the first time I basically said "fuck you" to feeling like shit at mile 20, and instead embraced the pain and put the hammer down. I might be more proud of the last 5 or 6 miles of that race than any other miles I've ever ran.

Of course in training that's a lot harder to do and some extra calories or hydration will likely help...but it's all a part of the experience. Can't have the awesome runs without the crappy ones.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 12:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys. I will be embracing Saturday's run with open arms.

Training calls for 12, I'll probably kick it up to 15 or more. Probably do 6-10 the day before.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dunno about that, as someone who readily dies at/about the 18 mile mark, and who recently has been able to beat race-level PRs in a half distance just in a normal workout, I think suggesting [for noobs] that the "mile 20 thing" isn't real is just an experienced runner getting vastly more fit/reducing the time they normal hit mile 20 at/reduced effort level to get there and all that

Eg I'm sure Meb ain't got no wall at mile 20 either. But Joe 12-pack sure as shit does. And it ain't just mental. Shit sucks man. At the 18 mile mark or so my legs are fried as fried can be--I'm done man--time for a cry lol.

So sure run like ~20+ marathons or something and you get more and more able to handle it from a fitness perspective. zomg it gets easier, Shocker! Take 2 years off and gain 20# and see how you do

I was reading on some other running forums there are mid-distance runners at the elite-age-group level [~4:10 milers, or sub 16:00 5k'ers] that are terrified of the marathon [and the 13.1 even some of them claim to be, but I'm sure terrified to them = <1:20:00] and never go longer than 6-8 in training but are obviously fit.



tl;dr
the struggles are real


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 04:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

But Kent has multiple marathons under his belt, and lots of long training runs in the 20 mile range...so he's far from a noob now, and quite fit to boot. I'm not saying there isn't something physical going on...but at some point there is a very real mental game going on where you can either succumb to the pain and negative thougts, or embrace it and push on.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread


 Quote:
I dunno about that, as someone who readily dies at/about the 18 mile mark, and who recently has been able to beat race-level PRs in a half distance just in a normal workout, I think suggesting [for noobs] that the "mile 20 thing" isn't real is just an experienced runner getting vastly more fit/reducing the time they normal hit mile 20 at/reduced effort level to get there and all that

Eg I'm sure Meb ain't got no wall at mile 20 either. But Joe 12-pack sure as shit does. And it ain't just mental. Shit sucks man. At the 18 mile mark or so my legs are fried as fried can be--I'm done man--time for a cry lol.

So sure run like ~20+ marathons or something and you get more and more able to handle it from a fitness perspective. zomg it gets easier, Shocker! Take 2 years off and gain 20# and see how you do

I was reading on some other running forums there are mid-distance runners at the elite-age-group level [~4:10 milers, or sub 16:00 5k'ers] that are terrified of the marathon [and the 13.1 even some of them claim to be, but I'm sure terrified to them = <1:20:00] and never go longer than 6-8 in training but are obviously fit.



tl;dr
the struggles are real



He's not saying the pain isn't real, how you deal with it is the mental aspect.
Basically...suck it up buttercup.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 05:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

easier to do on #20+ of marathon efforts then the first couple of noob efforts

its definitely not purely mental no?

or every single one is basically the same?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/16/15 11:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Your body is capable of more than you think it is. \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/17/15 01:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

There is definitely a fight of sorts when hitting that wall. The brain says one thing while the body does another. The most difficult part IMO is the change in the stream of consciousness during the last 6-8 miles. Awareness and focus are virtually nonexistent. And the only way to get it back - temporarily at least - is to slow down or walk.

I think the more often someone is exposed to it, the better prepared they are to deal with it. I guess we'll see in a week or two. \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/15 12:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another week down. Definitely feeling the mileage. Did a nasty 14 mile run yesterday on a damp windy So Cal night with moderate headwinds. 43° felt like 10 lol.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/15 02:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

signed up for napa valley marathon in march. boston or bust bitches.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/15 07:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thats too late for the 2016 cutoff no?

either way I'm sure you can do it man \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/15 10:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

He's shooting for '17 so he can be part of the ultimate Boston bromance trip.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/15 10:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Another week down. Definitely feeling the mileage. Did a nasty 14 mile run yesterday on a damp windy So Cal night with moderate headwinds. 43° felt like 10 lol.


Nice job Kent...I'm loving your dedication to the training plan.
After taking Friday and Saturday off for Christmas festivities with family, and relatively low treadmill mileage earlier in the week, so decided on a whim to do 20 road miles yesterday. Ran to Bolsa Chica and back. Felt pretty solid at a very even 7:50ish pace. 2 more weeks of 50 miles minimum, then a week taper for the San Diego 50 miler on the 16th. Hoping I can go 8:30 or so for that one since it only has 4K feet of vert.

Also got into Way Too Cool 50k in March for the 4th year in a row, and am likely signing up for the Valencia 50k 2 weeks later.

Angeles Crest doesn't feel so far off anymore.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/15 12:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You guys are insane, in a good way.

Chris - nicely done man. Maybe one day I'll break 8 min miles in the half. \:D

Though I've been taking the above advice in "embracing the suck." Seems to be a good mental trick as the longer miles wear on.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/15 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody looking for a BQ favorable course? Revel just announced this one. Similar descent at Azusa (5k feet) but without the 3 miles of hills. I think I might do it in an attempt at a sub 3.

https://www.runrevel.com/rmc/register?_ref=ANNOUNCE


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/15 05:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
He's shooting for '17 so he can be part of the ultimate Boston bromance trip.


Fuck ya!!
Napa ain't no walk in the park as far as qualifiers go, but fuck it.
I think I'm actually going to do some marathon specific training and see if I cant go sub 3.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/29/15 05:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Can you sneak a skateboard on the side of the course? Fuck sub 3, sub 2

SJP0tato
(Member)
12/29/15 11:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Anybody looking for a BQ favorable course? Revel just announced this one. Similar descent at Azusa (5k feet) but without the 3 miles of hills. I think I might do it in an attempt at a sub 3.

https://www.runrevel.com/rmc/register?_ref=ANNOUNCE


That looks pretty legit. If I'm close but don't make BQ cutoff in this one http://thephoenixmarathon.com/plan-your-race/marathon/ I might use that as my backup plan to BQ...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/15 01:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm emotionally prepared to be a few start corrals behind you come 4/17. \:\(

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
He's shooting for '17 so he can be part of the ultimate Boston bromance trip.


Fuck ya!!
Napa ain't no walk in the park as far as qualifiers go, but fuck it.
I think I'm actually going to do some marathon specific training and see if I cant go sub 3.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/15 01:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Anybody looking for a BQ favorable course? Revel just announced this one. Similar descent at Azusa (5k feet) but without the 3 miles of hills. I think I might do it in an attempt at a sub 3.

https://www.runrevel.com/rmc/register?_ref=ANNOUNCE


That looks pretty legit. If I'm close but don't make BQ cutoff in this one http://thephoenixmarathon.com/plan-your-race/marathon/ I might use that as my backup plan to BQ...


It's a super mellow 4% grade almost the whole way too...should mean a lot less pounding than what I experienced at Canyon City.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/15 09:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I'm emotionally prepared to be a few start corrals behind you come 4/17. \:\(

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
He's shooting for '17 so he can be part of the ultimate Boston bromance trip.


Fuck ya!!
Napa ain't no walk in the park as far as qualifiers go, but fuck it.
I think I'm actually going to do some marathon specific training and see if I cant go sub 3.


fuck that, we're holding hands the whole time!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/16 05:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This week was crazy but managed to knock out a moderately quick 10 miler Thursday and a relaxed 20 miler with the Club on Saturday. Averaged a 9:45 pace with plenty of hills around Back Bay. Felt a little sore yesterday and strong today. Hoping that's good news.

Going to do a fast 16 miler next Saturday and round out with a fast 22 miler in two weeks. Feeling a bit more confident. Woot!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/16 08:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Those are some solid runs Kent! I'm impressed to see you so nonchalant about those long runs...that's a great indicator of your fitness and mental game being on point.


I ended up with a pretty decent week considering the holidays. Ended up with 67 miles which includes a few slow hikes with the family, but I ended with 13 on the trail yesterday and 15 on the road today, and Im feeling very optimistic for San Diego on the 16th.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/04/16 11:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love training this time of year to make up for the Holiday Binge lol. Nice work Chris!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/16 04:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In keeping with my all-over-the-place training plan been having some good interval workouts.

10x400 on 6:00 to 6:30 pace, with 9-10/minute pace jogging for 200 between

And now 4x1-mile at 5k race pace with straight goddamn walking between for 3 minutes. Wanted to puke on the last one. (6;45 to 7:10 pace today)

So looking at my first 70.3 and 26.2 before too long and here I am just working on speed \:D

Ok not really. Still on vacation and just squeezing a workout in.

I'm definitely going to do more of these though. Feelz bad man


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/05/16 07:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm in the first of two weeks of taper for my race on the 17th.

I think I'm just going to cruise along for this one (my first marathon) just to have a good experience with no specific goal in mind and get a good idea how the full 26.2 feels.
Then I've got 6 weeks to recover before my 2nd marathon on Feb 27th where I'm gonna give my all or die trying to BQ. I figure that way if I go too hard & die at mile 22, at least I'll have my first experience was a positive one.

Feeling pretty good, feels like I'm kinda/mostly ready I think... in theory.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/05/16 09:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're around 1:20 in a half right? I figure you're looking at sub 3 in a 26.2? Maybe not until you get some racing experience at that distance to right? You sound fit enough to do it!

AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/16 10:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D


Ill be happy if I make sub 17 min, but I felt like 2-3 months is an awful long time to only get to that speed.. I guess not. Its just real discouraging when people you know show up, havent done shit for exercise all year and bust out a 15min 2 mile. Such bs

Ill do some speed runs and step up my days a week, maybe 4-5.. I just dont see myself having the ambition to run every day. I want it but not that bad. FWIW im 6'2", 185lbs, no fucks given on diet (until the week of the test). I usually lose 5-10lbs during this running period so im sure that helps with speed too. Now to work on the pushups


A month ago, I couldnt run a mile non stop.. Today I did two with a time of 19:07. Gotta knock off another two mins with 4-5 weeks to go.

Just here to make you guys feel better about yourself


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/16 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/16 02:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work guys. Hardly anyone in this forum is naturally gifted (except for a couple 6 million dollar men). I think we all work hard with the limited time we have.

SJP0tato
(Member)
01/06/16 09:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rich&VibrantUsername
You're around 1:20 in a half right? I figure you're looking at sub 3 in a 26.2? Maybe not until you get some racing experience at that distance to right? You sound fit enough to do it!


I wish! My new PR a month ago was 1:27ish. I think maybe if the running gods are kind I could do something around 3:00, but that's probably dreaming. I shouldn't let my dreams just be dreams... or something


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/16 11:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool, im sure you'll get there based on the runs I see you doing all the time heh. I certainly wouldnt know but i assume to go sub 3h your half needs to be a bit closer to 1:20 or thereabouts..


also on a sidenote if there's a group for naturally un-gifted runners that has to be me. I was always DFL in like everything as a kid. The fat kids would beat me in sprints [and most of the chicks], wasnt until HS that I started becoming "average" at best but I wouldn't know since I was always in the water and the only running I did was under great protest [and I'd usually manage to skip it]

I possess zero actual 100/200/400 potential but I imagine among my AG peers I'd do fine now since most of them have spent the last 20 years doing not much of anything. So still slow [slower no doubt on these], but not as sad as most of my peers hah. #aimhigh


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/09/16 07:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This week's marathon training was brutal. After last Saturday's 20 miler I hit the gym the next morning for strength and light cardio. Should have just stayed home and recovered. Ended up REALLY sore all week. So much in fact that I took Thursday and Friday off.

The good news is that the downtime seemed to help. Felt a little stiff for today's 16 miler. But after settling in by mile 2, I kicked into higher gear and finished strong. Body feels good... no severe stiffness like earlier in the week.

So now I go into peak week with a 7 mile tempo on Monday, a moderate 8-9 miler Weds, and a 22 miler Saturday. Goal is to do a race pace run and finish around 3:20:xx. If I succeed, I feel I have a good chance at a sub-4hr at LA. Woot!


From today:




SJP0tato
(Member)
01/17/16 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Full marathon: complete!

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1018487258

I went into this one just wanting to finish somewhere around 3:30, I figured + or - about 10 mins and I'd be happy.

The net uphill was harder than I expected up through mile 12 or so, I was already starting to feel it around mile 8-9.

At ~12 miles I started feeling a blister forming on my left foot, which proved to get worse and worse. By mile 16 I started having to remove my shoe, adjust/snug-up my sock, then get going again about every 0.5-1.5 miles or so. The pain was incredible (it felt like running with a sharp rock in my shoe), but I wasn't willing to DNF so I kept going and doing the "remove shoe" game through to the end.
Not sure why it gave me so much trouble, the socks I used had been completely fine in the 20 mile training runs, so it must be pace-related. Guess I'll continue my eternal sock search.

Finished things out just under 3:27 somewhere, so I'm totally happy with the results. Now to recover, train a bit, then see if I can break that time in my next full in 6 weeks ${deity} help me.





Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/16 01:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man, especially for your first. BQ just around the corner for sure.

Wrapped up marathon training with a 22 miler on the beach. Nice weather and flat course all but guaranteed a solid run. Things felt great until about mile 16 when mild fatigue set in.

By mile 19 I was definitely feeling drained. But I took the forum's advice and "embraced the suck" lol. I was fortunate to have one of the coaches there to keep me on pace. Just focused on breathing and staying relaxed. It was a good mental breakthrough to know I could run "fast" when totally fatigued. Just don't know if I have the mental resiliency to do that another 4.2 miles.

GPS was slightly off but total time was 20 miles @ ~3:20. With LA's hills I'm not sure if I'm ready to break 4 hrs. But I suspect it's good enough for a sub-4:10 PR if the weather stays cool.

4 weeks and counting...



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/16 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn solid/run/pace ESP for playing footsie during the back half wow! Congrats man!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/16 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Definitely a great debut performance SJ...especially considering all the blister stops you had to make. That's definitely something to get figured out cause there's nothing worse than small shit completely unrelated to your fitness fucking up your race. \:\)

I had a pretty good race at the San Diego 50 miler on Saturday. I went into it with a goal of a 50 mile PR (previous was 9:07 at American River in 2014) and as low in the 8's as a I could get. My dad was doing the marathon, which started an hour later so catching him near the finish was also something I was hoping for.

The course is an out and back, with lots of flat running through the orange groves and farmland, then transitions to rolling stuff around Lake Hodges and finally a few miles of good climbs around the 25 mile turnaround point.

I started out feeling fantastic since it was a beautiful morning and the temps were perfect...chilly, but not cold enoug to wear more than my singlet. Lots of single track till mile 5 so I had to do a bit of ducking and jiving to find an open spot that matched my pace. I was hitting all miles in the mid 8's so I thought it might be a little fast, but it felt easy so I just rolled with it. Aid stations were about 5 miles apart, so I just carried one bottle with my pockets stuffed with Tailwind. Before I knew it I was at the mile 10 station and cruised under the 15 freeway and luckily saw a line port o John right as my stomach started rumbling. A minute later and I was feeling a bit lighter. \:D

The area around Lake Hodges was pretty scenic and a nice rolling terrain that was a nice change from all the flat stuff. I was pretty much by myself through these miles except for one guy in a blue shirt who was always about a 1/4 mile ahead of me. I would end up chasing him for 45 miles.

The course drops into another trail that goes through some fancy ranches where my brother tells me lots of SD Chargers live. I was still feeling good, legs were getting a little fatigued, but with 30 miles to go I did my best to just ignore it. As I approached the turnaround, I started counting people coming back towards me. Hit the turn in 3:56 and I figured out I was in 20th. My goal from that point was to catch as many people as I could. Ive done enough of these races now that I know I'm pretty good at not slowing down as much as others around me, so I thought I could move up at least a few places. This was the point that I finally put my music on and that was a huge boost after 4 hours of just listening to the thoughts in my head.

It got a little warm over the next miles so I started pounding my salt tabs and drinking lots of Coke at the AS's and drinking a full bottle of water between them. In the end it was never an issue and I only ever felt a few twinges of cramps in my quads.

Just before the mile 40 AS I found Lisa and the kids as well as my sister in law. They had lots of snacks for me but nothing looked good other than the slurpee they'd brought. They'd brought me one at Quicksiler 100k last year and it tasted like heaven, so it was an awesome treat. If counted the people I'd passed up till then and thought I was in 11th or so. I spent a minute or so with them, then hustled out of there. The AS was less than a mile from there and they confirmed I was in 11th and encouraged me to go get #10. Honestly so wasn't feeling very ambitious at that point....and I just wanted to get the next flat monotonous 5 mile section over with. I started a series of "run till the Garmin beeps at a mile, then walk for 2 tenths of a mile. This worked well and I was still keeping my pace sub 10.
I finally hit the last AS with 5 miles to go, which is at the base of Raptor Ridge...the only hill in the first part of the course. One of the volunteers was actually a guy I ran 30 miles of Javelina with back in October. He told me #10 had just left a minute before and that he wasn't looking too good and to go get him. That was all the motivation I needed. I tossed back 4 salt pills and two cups of Coke and took off out of there.
Finally caught the guy in the blue shirt and fell in behind him as we climbed up the ridge. We chatted for a bit and he was indeed hurting. It was his first ultra and said he knew I would eventually catch him because whenever he looked back he'd see me and I always looked composed. This was a huge compliment and gave me a boost. I thanked him for being my rabbit and made a quick pass and power hiked my way to the top. From there you can actually see the finish 4 miles away, and it was all downhill and flat to get there. I cruised down the single track to the valley floor and tried to keep it together. At a road crossing with 2 miles to go all of my family was waiting for me so I checked to make sure that guy wasn't on my heels, then stopped for 45 seconds to chug a cherry Coke and get some hugs. They told me my sister in law was running with my dad and had passed through a little while before. I was ecstatic to hear that my dad was going to finish his first long trail race!
I passed by the dairy farm a mile out then turned along the orange grove. At the last turn with a 1/4 mile to go I found my dad and SIL slowly making their way to the finish. I pulled up there and decided to walk it in with my dad. #11 was nowhere in sight and an extra minute or two in my time was no big deal. Crossing that line together was awesome. I was pretty spent, but not completely destroyed. The RD gave me my medal, a beer glass and handed me an award for 1st in my 40-49 age group and also confirmed 10th overall, 8th male. My time was 8:23...a 45 minute PR. I was content, to say the least.
We immediately drove back to my brothers house and I ate an entire large Dominos pizza. \:D

Strava file if you're interested:
https://www.strava.com/activities/471906379


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/16 12:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Slurpee at mile 39:


Running with my daughter Ava at mile 48 (she and my niece had a bake sale at the finish line,hence the apron lol)


Finish line with my dad on the right.


It's a major award!


Me and Pa:


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/16 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, well done Chris. Solid performance no doubt. I really like the whole mindset of the ultrarunning crowd. Competitive yet supportive.

Our friends live near mile 22 of the LA course and usually bring me snacks. Slurpee sounds really good. Thanks for the idea


**DONOTDELETE**
()
01/18/16 01:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That beard....


Impressive chris. Love how your whole family gets into it.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
01/18/16 07:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's so fucking awesome you caught your Dad right at the end!

Great job man. Strava says you've done 145 miles this year already? Fuck me man that's nuts!

Love the beard, you need a new ridiculous laughing picture with that one at Javelina. :P


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/16 09:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Woohoo, fucking amazing Chris!! You're gonna crush it this year!! So stoked for AC!! And holy shit, thats awesome that your dad ran the marathon!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/16 10:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Woohoo, fucking amazing Chris!! You're gonna crush it this year!! So stoked for AC!! And holy shit, thats awesome that your dad ran the marathon!


+1 to all of these things!

Way to rock socks, Chris


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/19/16 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys....it's nice to get some support. At the finish line my wife congratulated me on being 4th place woman.

SJP0tato
(Member)
01/19/16 07:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kickass PR Ironmom, well done all around on this one!

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/16 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

In news from the other end of the spectrum, I ran 4 miles at 8:35 pace last night and my heart rate was a smooth 182 by the end

Sadly this was still encouraging enough for me to sign up for the Quad Rock 25 miler this morning. That race is mid-May, then nothing until early August and my focus race six weeks later in mid September.

If I can stay healthy and get in shape for the race in September Mr Ironmom has promised to fly out and rub my feet for me at aid stations #whatmotivatesyou


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/16 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lol

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/21/16 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

#cocktease #emptypromises #notholdingmybreath

2000SiRacer
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01/21/16 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
#notholdingmybreath


#betterlearn #postracehotsprings


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 09:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1/2 marathon pr this weekend.
My coach told me to hold back the first half so I cruised and chatted with some dude and then picked it up the 2nd half. Pretty fun picking people off on the second loop. Miles 11 and 12 were super sloppy from all the foot traffic in the mud so it slowed me a bit. Course had about 600 feet of elevation.





Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn...nice dude! That fast on trails...I see you going way under 3 hours at Napa.

Official prediction: 2:57:30


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Damn...nice dude! That fast on trails...I see you going way under 3 hours at Napa.

Official prediction: 2:57:30




oh man, the idea of 2 sub 1:30 halfs scares the shit out of me.
Also, I think I'm more beat up after a month of marathon training then I am after an entire year on trails. Fuck.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 11:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nicely done. FAST!!

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 11:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

fuck dude, thats fast bro


for me: 81 miles biked, 30.x miles run [including a speed day :o], and 2 pool workouts this week, and ~30m of swole time heh

heres my LSR from yesterday, my best effort at/around that distance. Basically mirrors my marathon goal pace but I did a 'easy' first 10 miles per the mcmillan guide and then picked it up a bit the last 10k. last mile was sub 8:00 /wewt /fast for me. Have no idea how I'm gonna go another 10 miles at this pace but I figure my best bet is to follow the beginner marathon guide that I've bastardized for someone on a tri schedule. Week 3 of 12 of [2] 12 week blocks pre first marathon.

It hurts to move today a bit \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nicely done Stickaz. I think the goal for all first time marathoners is to simply survive without getting injured lol. For a LSR, seems like a great time.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/25/16 01:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool, thats plan B [or C, or D even] that I am open to discovering on/about mile 20 on race day \:D

I cant really imagine making it to mile 20 at/around 3:00 and then not being able to slug out a 1-hr 10k after. Oh wait yes I can imagine that lol, to date I havent run longer than 3 hr straight ever. Bad things happen after that


schtickaz.ai
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01/31/16 08:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

slightly less aggressive LSR today, except I attempted a pretty solid hill [check the vert graph heh] for me anyways. Was shooting for 18 @ 9:30 pace and I got it GAP adjusted [my LSR pace from the McMillan pace guide]. Felt super easy through about 4-5, then I could tell I wasnt having a great day heh. Oh well, toughed it out

pretty happy with the distance. hopefully nobody needs me to go upstairs tomorrow at work...I'm taking the elevator



Design
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02/01/16 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man. Run looks solid!

Ampsman in Extremis
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02/06/16 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

4 weeks til marathon, did 13.1 at marathon pace. Ended up with a pr and felt really comfortable. Finished just under 1:28.

stickaz_old
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02/06/16 06:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

\:o

Design
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02/08/16 11:10 AM
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schtickaz.ai
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02/08/16 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

because I inadvertently skipped my LSR yesterday, I will test my 5K PR on thursday in the dark on a HS track with a flashlight. Pre-emptive fuck you to anyone playing soccer still in the dark [you know who you are] that think it's funny to send balls my way every time I come around

goal isn't to crush it, just drop it a hair. Maybe go out on a 7:00 and see if I can follow with 6:55 and 6:50. Hey whatever a PR is a PR :p [that would have me at about 21:30 from my current 21:45]. Hopefully it's raining and miserable so that nobody is on it playing soccer actually

just to de-jinx myself: what normally happens is during mile 2 I nope it out of there and start doing 800 intervals


Sir Ironpool
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02/08/16 05:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pretty happy to get a 70+ miles/10k ft vert week. Next race is Way Too Cool on 3/6. It'll be my 4th year running it (it was my first ultra) and I have high hopes of finally PR'ing the damn thing.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/09/16 03:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like LA Marathon this Sunday will be another hot one. Third straight year of upper 80s/low 90s.



Sir Ironpool
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02/09/16 03:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Go get some Kent!
I was thinking of going up and spectating the trials on Saturday, but then I saw it would be live on NBC...so I'll be watching from my couch instead.


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/09/16 10:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to get a 70+ miles/10k ft vert week.


What's your typical week look like in the ~70/wk range?
I've been topping out around the mid/upper 50's this last training cycle and the 6-weeks in-between races.

I think once this one's done I'm going to work on upping my mileage to the 70's range and see if that helps with the next half I have tentatively planned for June (San Diego RnR-Half).

This is my last hard week before the race, and it looks something like:
M: 9, Tue: 11, Wed: 6, Thur: 5, Fri: 10, Sat: 18


Sir Ironpool
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02/10/16 08:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Last week was:
(Rounding down)
11, 15, 10, 11, 10, 5, 7.

I'm not following a plan of any kind, just trying to extend each run by a mile or a few beyond what's comfortable. My goal is to build up some good solid base mileage this month and next, ease off in April, then ramp back up for May June and July with 80 mile weeks to prepare for Angeles Crest first weekend in August.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 09:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to get a 70+ miles/10k ft vert week.


What's your typical week look like in the ~70/wk range?
I've been topping out around the mid/upper 50's this last training cycle and the 6-weeks in-between races.

I think once this one's done I'm going to work on upping my mileage to the 70's range and see if that helps with the next half I have tentatively planned for June (San Diego RnR-Half).

This is my last hard week before the race, and it looks something like:
M: 9, Tue: 11, Wed: 6, Thur: 5, Fri: 10, Sat: 18


I wouldnt add miles just for the sake of miles, especially for a half. I just ran a 1:28 half in training (with about 400 feet vert)pretty comfortably and havent ran more than 55 a week. The 2 big things for me have been #1 hitting my weekly workouts fucking hard, for example 8x3min @ 5k with 2min rest or 10x1 min hard and #2 recovery runs super easy, not fucking moderate bitch...fucking easy as shit. I have been running mine at like 8:30-9min pace. I think this is a big mistake that lots of people make and I used to make also.
Also, fuck the "LSD" shit, do long runs moderate.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to get a 70+ miles/10k ft vert week.


What's your typical week look like in the ~70/wk range?
I've been topping out around the mid/upper 50's this last training cycle and the 6-weeks in-between races.

I think once this one's done I'm going to work on upping my mileage to the 70's range and see if that helps with the next half I have tentatively planned for June (San Diego RnR-Half).

This is my last hard week before the race, and it looks something like:
M: 9, Tue: 11, Wed: 6, Thur: 5, Fri: 10, Sat: 18


I wouldnt add miles just for the sake of miles, especially for a half. I just ran a 1:28 half in training (with about 400 feet vert)pretty comfortably and havent ran more than 55 a week. The 2 big things for me have been #1 hitting my weekly workouts fucking hard, for example 8x3min @ 5k with 2min rest or 10x1 min hard and #2 recovery runs super easy, not fucking moderate bitch...fucking easy as shit. I have been running mine at like 8:30-9min pace. I think this is a big mistake that lots of people make and I used to make also.
Also, fuck the "LSD" shit, do long runs moderate.


BLASPHEMY!


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Pretty happy to get a 70+ miles/10k ft vert week.


What's your typical week look like in the ~70/wk range?
I've been topping out around the mid/upper 50's this last training cycle and the 6-weeks in-between races.

I think once this one's done I'm going to work on upping my mileage to the 70's range and see if that helps with the next half I have tentatively planned for June (San Diego RnR-Half).

This is my last hard week before the race, and it looks something like:
M: 9, Tue: 11, Wed: 6, Thur: 5, Fri: 10, Sat: 18


I wouldnt add miles just for the sake of miles, especially for a half. I just ran a 1:28 half in training (with about 400 feet vert)pretty comfortably and havent ran more than 55 a week. The 2 big things for me have been #1 hitting my weekly workouts fucking hard, for example 8x3min @ 5k with 2min rest or 10x1 min hard and #2 recovery runs super easy, not fucking moderate bitch...fucking easy as shit. I have been running mine at like 8:30-9min pace. I think this is a big mistake that lots of people make and I used to make also.
Also, fuck the "LSD" shit, do long runs moderate.


BLASPHEMY!




schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think thats true because the normal rule 'elites' follow have around 80-110 mpw, since you're around 55 you need/should get more quality runs in right.

the 80/20 rule [80% moderate, 20% hard] was built around elites simply being able to recover while hitting high mileages no?

at least thats my understanding.

similarly, if you're going to do 5-10 mpw [*cough*] they might as well be lung-searing tabbata stuff


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

true dat.
people tend to go out and run every run at the same moderate pace and wonder why they dont improve. Do your hard shit hard and your easy shit easy and save moderate for the long stuff.*






*Disclaimer...I am not a coach and have no idea what I am talking about.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 11:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My best results have come from 1-2 hard midweek runs, especially the tempo runs/repeats. But it's taken a lot of time/consistency/learning to get there without getting injured.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 11:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As is evident here...everybody has different goals and respond to different approaches. My goal right now is to make my body bulletproof for a 100 mile race with 24k feet of vert in the heat of SoCal summer. My approach to that is to do lots of mileage on trails with as much very as possible with very little recovery. Speed, tempo, etc has little to do with it.

Of course, if I was training specifically for a road race, my plan would be much different.
(Well, not much since I was able to pull off a 3:07 while training for the trails. \:D


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, rub it in there spunky.

To add insult to injury, I had a blister develop on the ball of my foot last night. First time I've had one in over a year. Thinking I had a crease in the sock which led to a hot spot.

In any case, going to keep it open and try to let it heal on its own. It's more on the side than directly on bottom. Hoping it subsides by race day.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/10/16 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If the weather forecast for the LA marathon was in the 90s and I was signed up I'd switch to the 5k \:D

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 09:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
As is evident here...everybody has different goals and respond to different approaches. My goal right now is to make my body bulletproof for a 100 mile race with 24k feet of vert in the heat of SoCal summer. My approach to that is to do lots of mileage on trails with as much very as possible with very little recovery. Speed, tempo, etc has little to do with it.

Of course, if I was training specifically for a road race, my plan would be much different.
(Well, not much since I was able to pull off a 3:07 while training for the trails. \:D



I'm jelly. Wish I was hitting trails everyday. \:\(
Dont forget that I'm doing all this for a boston bromance you bastard!!


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D


Ill be happy if I make sub 17 min, but I felt like 2-3 months is an awful long time to only get to that speed.. I guess not. Its just real discouraging when people you know show up, havent done shit for exercise all year and bust out a 15min 2 mile. Such bs

Ill do some speed runs and step up my days a week, maybe 4-5.. I just dont see myself having the ambition to run every day. I want it but not that bad. FWIW im 6'2", 185lbs, no fucks given on diet (until the week of the test). I usually lose 5-10lbs during this running period so im sure that helps with speed too. Now to work on the pushups


A month ago, I couldnt run a mile non stop.. Today I did two with a time of 19:07. Gotta knock off another two mins with 4-5 weeks to go.

Just here to make you guys feel better about yourself


Week to go.. 17:56 today. Started running consecutive days as you guys mentioned.. Really helped me step it up. Test is next saturday so ill take a day or two off this weekend and probably run til wednesday...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 12:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job dude!

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thats crazy progress imo? fuck I take years apparently to drop similar ET. Here i sit with cold upgraded to bronchitis+sore throat so I know I'm getting slower heh. Oh well my achilles [L+R now, not just L] are getting a chance to recover I guess. I figure those were needing a break anyways

AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks. Yesterday I did a 18:29 running circles around a bball court that was enclosed cause it was in the low 50s with 20mph winds knew id do better outside running a pretty straight route so getting that today was very encouraging. The test is early in the morning vs me running at lunch time now, that with adrenaline kicking in knowing my ass needs to pass I should be fine \:D

**DONOTDELETE**
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02/11/16 03:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
thats crazy progress imo? fuck I take years apparently to drop similar ET. Here i sit with cold upgraded to bronchitis+sore throat so I know I'm getting slower heh. Oh well my achilles [L+R now, not just L] are getting a chance to recover I guess. I figure those were needing a break anyways


Beginner gains. You've cut like 5-6 minutes of your 5km in 2-3 years, right?

Still takes some dedicaiton, nice job.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 03:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well I was just looking at a 6.6 miler I ran in march of 2014 [~2 yrs ago] and I avg'd 9:00/mi in a workout/tempo effort. 2 years later and I can nip 1:15/mi [so 7:45 avg] from that pace with a similar effort.

It is what it is

still if I can do that kind of gain [1] more time I should be able to BQ at age 45


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 04:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea I was gonna say you're running a ton further than I am so my 8:30/mi 2 mile is nothing compared to a 9:00/mi 6.6. The furthest ive run outside of required training was 3-3.5. I have no desire to do what you guys do but its really impressive to go through this thread and see the times and miles you guys put up.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/16 04:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool thks, running gains apparently are as simple as the "deposits" you make in terms of weekly mileage, not really any magic there. Eventually I guess having "pace", "speedwork", and other things going on for quality miles matter but not sure any of that makes too much difference in the sub/20 mpw range some of us *coughincluded* find ourselves in more often than not

I was *soclose* to hitting 30mpw on back-back-back weeks when life got in the way, then I got sick. oh well. Reboot


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/16 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I tried running and debated doing an Olympic tri this summer but I can't get into running. I tried with 5k here and there but for the life of me it was pure misery. Need get over that

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/16 03:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you need to slow down about :90s/mi

those were probably tempo type paces

CN: slow down

1x/week at that pace is ok tho


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/15/16 10:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another productive week for me. 6 runs (took Saturday off) for 70 miles and 12k feet of vert. Did 17 yesterday and followed it tonight with a fairly fast 13. Feeling good.

gamby
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/16 12:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
I tried running and debated doing an Olympic tri this summer but I can't get into running. I tried with 5k here and there but for the life of me it was pure misery. Need get over that


The more you do it, the less miserable it gets. That said, my first 1.5 miles usually suck royally, regardless and I'm a shitty runner overall.

I generally don't mind it, tho. Great conditioning in a short amount of time. don't give up on it yet.

...and warm up/cool down/foam roller


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/16 12:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Another productive week for me. 6 runs (took Saturday off) for 70 miles and 12k feet of vert. Did 17 yesterday and followed it tonight with a fairly fast 13. Feeling good.




I slacked off this weekend but did 24 at 7:24 pace on friday.
One more 20 miler this week which should be fun:
20 miles relaxed, but with 4 x 2 miles at MP mixed in.
Ready to hit the trails again.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/16 12:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good stuff everybody:
did a hard 5k yesterday just trying to get back into running again after a nasty cold [still suffering a bit, it progressed to bronchitis but I turned the corner]. Since I was sorta effectively tapered although I had run a hard/sub-half marathon pace 7 miler the day before on hills I was a little burnt but I dont get too many opportunities to run on my local HS track during the day. Oh final excuse: it was 79*F out. But I ran w/o a shirt so that balances it out. Heeeeey ladies...



happy with that, since I was sick I just wanted to see if I could hold 7:30 avg [PR from a race 3 months ago is just about 1 minute quicker and that was in ~50*F weather and I was on a hella taper lol]

and I know it says 3.0 miles but I absolutely ran 12 laps in the #3 lane and kept going about another 60m until my watch said 3.1, so I probably actually went quicker than this/GPS oddities. 12 laps in the #3 lane by itself is a 5k [4800 meters and the offset by being outside lane 1]

my goal with these is
a) get more used to the 5k so I can actually race it better
b) get some of that speedwork bang-for-the-buck in workouts


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/16/16 12:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys.

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/17/16 10:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
good stuff everybody:
did a hard 5k yesterday just trying to get back into running again after a nasty cold [still suffering a bit, it progressed to bronchitis but I turned the corner]. Since I was sorta effectively tapered although I had run a hard/sub-half marathon pace 7 miler the day before on hills I was a little burnt but I dont get too many opportunities to run on my local HS track during the day. Oh final excuse: it was 79*F out. But I ran w/o a shirt so that balances it out. Heeeeey ladies...



happy with that, since I was sick I just wanted to see if I could hold 7:30 avg [PR from a race 3 months ago is just about 1 minute quicker and that was in ~50*F weather and I was on a hella taper lol]

and I know it says 3.0 miles but I absolutely ran 12 laps in the #3 lane and kept going about another 60m until my watch said 3.1, so I probably actually went quicker than this/GPS oddities. 12 laps in the #3 lane by itself is a 5k [4800 meters and the offset by being outside lane 1]

my goal with these is
a) get more used to the 5k so I can actually race it better
b) get some of that speedwork bang-for-the-buck in workouts


Hi guys.. Im back running.. I hate running so fucking much. I envy how efficiently your bodies can supply blood and oxygen






I want to do this 5K in Anaheim on April 9th
http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana/community/5k_funrun.jsp
Want to see if I can get down to 24 minutes in the next 6 weeks or so.. not sure if possible.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 12:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sounds like a tall order in a short amount of time. Couple speed sessions a week could get you close (maybe 3/wk if your body can handle it).

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 01:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Sounds like a tall order in a short amount of time. Couple speed sessions a week could get you close (maybe 3/wk if your body can handle it).


Yea luckily I'm pretty durable. I'm not bothered by a high training tempo and I dont have any knee, back, etc ailments that would hold me back.. My problem is I'm just slow because no endurance lol. I know I can be faster because I did that 5K in under 23 minutes back in like 2010.

We'll see how it goes this time lol \:D


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/18/16 12:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd guess if you went and ran a 5km tomorrow you'd be a minute faster.

When I started doing 5kms, I did a weekly race, nothing more. I think it was like 4-5 weeks/races to get from mid 26 ish to 24 ish.
And I was slacking.

Learning the distance of the 5km alone is worth about 2 minutes. Some beginner running gains will shave another 20 seconds off your run.

I bet, with some smart training you could get awfully close to 24:59 in 6 weeks if you're already fit. The 5km has great recovery time

Durability fades with age btw.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

unless that 28:xx effort was quite "soft" it's hard to make much in terms of gains in anything short of like 3-4 months I think? 6 weeks is *almost* about the time to start your taper for the race. hahaha.

good way to know if the effort was soft? Did you ...around mile 1.5.... know definitively that there was absolutely no way you could maintain the current pace for another 1.5? , then you know the pace was good

You look like you are a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen tho /homo [1.5 yrs? haha]


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/18/16 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Taper for a 5km, lol.
I think that's called not running hard that morning.

Everyone's first race-attempt at a distance is soft stickaz. You have NO idea how a distance feels until you've ran it.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

haha I will hella taper if I ever get like within :30s of 20:00 for a 5k. Probably load up on painkiller too

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

Durability fades with age btw.


Speak for yourself broham!


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 02:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
unless that 28:xx effort was quite "soft" it's hard to make much in terms of gains in anything short of like 3-4 months I think? 6 weeks is *almost* about the time to start your taper for the race. hahaha.

good way to know if the effort was soft? Did you ...around mile 1.5.... know definitively that there was absolutely no way you could maintain the current pace for another 1.5? , then you know the pace was good

You look like you are a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen tho /homo [1.5 yrs? haha]


I was suprised that I was still feeling good at the halfway point.. Normally I lose like 2-3 minutes on the back half \:\( .. There I was able to keep pace the whole time.. guessing I was at about 85-90% effort.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
02/18/16 02:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta


Durability fades with age btw.


Yea Im 36 now, but Ive never had any issues with pulls, tears, aches, injuries or anything. I'm probably jinxing myself now lol..


**DONOTDELETE**
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02/18/16 05:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazedQ50
 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
unless that 28:xx effort was quite "soft" it's hard to make much in terms of gains in anything short of like 3-4 months I think? 6 weeks is *almost* about the time to start your taper for the race. hahaha.

good way to know if the effort was soft? Did you ...around mile 1.5.... know definitively that there was absolutely no way you could maintain the current pace for another 1.5? , then you know the pace was good

You look like you are a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen tho /homo [1.5 yrs? haha]


I was suprised that I was still feeling good at the halfway point.. Normally I lose like 2-3 minutes on the back half \:\( .. There I was able to keep pace the whole time.. guessing I was at about 85-90% effort.

you got 90 seconds just practicing to push your effort level

that practice will probably give you another 20 seconds of improved fitness.


It's seriously easy to cut 2 minutes off a first 5km. 4 weeks tops.

The next 2 minutes could take 4 months to 4 years.


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/16 09:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: ampsman
I wouldnt do 7 days a week, you need a rest day.


Pussy.

I only say every day because we're talking very short distances and OP is looking for a crash course to glory. 2 months isn't a whole lotta time if he wants to kick some ass. \:D


Ill be happy if I make sub 17 min, but I felt like 2-3 months is an awful long time to only get to that speed.. I guess not. Its just real discouraging when people you know show up, havent done shit for exercise all year and bust out a 15min 2 mile. Such bs

Ill do some speed runs and step up my days a week, maybe 4-5.. I just dont see myself having the ambition to run every day. I want it but not that bad. FWIW im 6'2", 185lbs, no fucks given on diet (until the week of the test). I usually lose 5-10lbs during this running period so im sure that helps with speed too. Now to work on the pushups


A month ago, I couldnt run a mile non stop.. Today I did two with a time of 19:07. Gotta knock off another two mins with 4-5 weeks to go.

Just here to make you guys feel better about yourself


Week to go.. 17:56 today. Started running consecutive days as you guys mentioned.. Really helped me step it up. Test is next saturday so ill take a day or two off this weekend and probably run til wednesday...


17:14 on wednesday. Did a 9:00/mi 1.5mi yesterday and taking today off. Still wasnt puking at the end so theres more in me. \:D will report back after the test tomorrow. Thanks so much for the help and encouragement.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/16 05:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

got my goal-pace [actually went maybe :15s/mi too fast] 8 miler HMP workout done for the week. Felt pretty good. Maybe...just maybe I'll have a decent HM in SF in 6 weeks \:D
felt pretty easy on the back-half but pretty rough around mile 3 which was uphill and into the wind



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/16 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice solid pacing!


I hit 60 miles for the week so far and damn my legs are tired, nyuk nyuk!

Hoping to hit 75 or 80 by Sunday.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/19/16 07:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys.

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/20/16 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work all!

I finished my last med-long run a few hours ago before next weekend's race. Hoping to BQ this one, but the weather has been abnormally warmer than usual (in the 90's lately) so it might be tough. Still gonna give it my best and see what happens.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/16 02:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wewt good luck. Man! Sub 3:15 goal?

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/21/16 11:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rich&VibrantUsername
Wewt good luck. Man! Sub 3:15 goal?


Thanks!

Yep, under 3:10 is official, but I think 3:07 is necessary to secure it for certain. We'll see what happens. \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/16 11:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3 minute buffer should give you some stress free waiting month till September. \:D

I only made it by 8 seconds my first time.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Missed my last 20 I was supposed to do this weekend cause of hamstring/knee issues. Goal has changed to just hopefully getting to the starting line healthy.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 10:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My usual runs have started to really hurt my leg. It feels a bit like the achilles, but it's higher up at the base of the calve. I stretch/foam roll like mad and it doesn't seem to help much. I'm spending more time on the bike to compensate, but every run, about half way through, it comes back and becomes uncomfortable.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 11:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had the shittiest run ever yesterday along the beach and through capitola/aptos on the street. Total fucking misery. A few more of those and I'm done with running lol. 11.n miles barely sub 10:00/mi pace, was a little hot. Had a decent surf beforehand tho which always tires me the fuck out I guess.

impulsive is that the soleus you're talking about?


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 12:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't think so since it's dead center of the leg at the base of the calf.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 03:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: ampsman
Missed my last 20 I was supposed to do this weekend cause of hamstring/knee issues. Goal has changed to just hopefully getting to the starting line healthy.


The extra rest/taper will do more for you than that 20 miler would anyways, so don't sweat it.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/22/16 03:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

73 miles for me last week. Had a couple runs that totally sucked, but a few great ones to balance it out a little. \:D Still feeling heathy and strong with 225 for the month. Want one more 70+ week, then a good taper for Way Too Cool on the 5th.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
02/23/16 09:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
73 miles for me last week. Had a couple runs that totally sucked, but a few great ones to balance it out a little. \:D Still feeling heathy and strong with 225 for the month. Want one more 70+ week, then a good taper for Way Too Cool on the 5th.


Damn dude!! Killing it!! Gonna crush WTC!!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/23/16 10:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work Chris. That's some serious miles.

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/27/16 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, didn't make Boston. But hit my 2nd goal of beating my previous time (by about 10 mins):
https://www.strava.com/activities/503645453

Things were going fairly well right up to about mile 20, then it all started to fall apart. Terrible calf cramping, the heat was starting to build, and the wheels came off.

Horrible agony after the race, I spent about 45 minutes afterwards mostly writhing around in pain. Absolutely the worst post-race damage I've had before (legs/blisters/everthing pretty much).

So yeah, that's the last full for this season. Dunno if I'm going to mess with another, or stick to halfs & below in the future. (Watch in a week I'll be ready to train up for another...)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/16 03:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hell of an effort man...and it looks like you ran a really solid race up till mile 20. I've been there before, and yeah it sucks...but I've found that there is definitely some truth in it taking a few races to "learn" to run the marathon. Don't give up on it too soon. \:D
In fact, you should sign up for the Revel Mt Charleston race in May. \:\)


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/27/16 04:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
In fact, you should sign up for the Revel Mt Charleston race in May. \:\)


Hehe, I need a couple days to forget the pain before I can even think of trying another.

I also need a new shoe/sock combo, tried a different combo today and still pretty bad blisters. Probably just something that happens at these distances maybe?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/16 06:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hard to say....I can probably count the number of blisters Ive ever had on one hand. I do swear by Injinji socks though.

SJP0tato
(Member)
02/27/16 11:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Hard to say....I can probably count the number of blisters Ive ever had on one hand. I do swear by Injinji socks though.


I never seem to get them until races, something about how I'm pushing off maybe...
I tried the Injinji's years ago, they were comfy/seemed to work well, but obnoxious to get on sometimes. Maybe I'll order up a couple more pairs and try 'em out again. If they can avoid the giant multiple blisters I'm willing to give it a shot!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/16 02:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Solid effort bro, looks like you have a BQjust waiting to happen in better weather. Maybe a fall marathon?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/16 11:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another 73 mile week in the books for me. 289 for the month. Gonna round it off to 300 tomorrow, then take it easy till Saturday.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/29/16 01:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I hardly get blisters either, at any distance. Thinking it might be the shoes or your form (?). Do you think the cramping might be due to low sodium from the heat? In any case, fantastic time. Way to stick it out the last 10K.



And Chris is officially the 6 million dollar man. Nice work!


SJP0tato
(Member)
02/29/16 09:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
I hardly get blisters either, at any distance. Thinking it might be the shoes or your form (?).


I think form might have something to do with it. My cadence is pretty good ~180, and I try to land as firmly, without braking as possible. The downhill I think might've made things a little worse than usual too.
I ordered up some Injinji socks, I'm going to give them a shot. I noticed it never happens during training runs, only races... so it must have something to do with the faster pace or something.

 Originally Posted By: Design
Do you think the cramping might be due to low sodium from the heat?

This I'm not sure on. I carry water with me, and ran out around mile 19 (about 1/4 mile after passing a course water station of course), so it's possible I wasn't keeping up enough with hydration for the end.


 Originally Posted By: Design
And Chris is officially the 6 million dollar man. Nice work!

He's more machine now than man. Soon he'll reach his final form.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/01/16 09:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I haven't posted up in here lately so here's what is going on with me.

Finished out 2015 with 1800 miles, which was a lot for me. I did a few half marathons at the end of the year and one early this year. Winter is racing season here in Florida after all, lol.

In March I'll be volunteering for the first time at a race, pretty excited about that!

I'm keeping up a consistent 100 miles a month right now and will build that up for races. I am doing a marathon in May and just this morning signed up for JFK50 in November! That's the main race I'll be doing this year and excited to do it.

I just started hitting the gym again, just once a week on Tuesday (today will be week 3) and going to build that into twice a week.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/16 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. Are doing strength at gym or something else? Or just there for the Spring season?



Forgot to post that I did a recovery race in my backyard with a few work friends. The OC Chili Race series offers a 5, 7 and 10 mile course along Trabucco Canyon near O'neil Regional Park. Attracts a lot of local runners in South OC.

Anyway, here are a few photos of the route. Fun race and highly recommend it for those of you local to the area.









Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/16 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That looks like a fun race Kent. I'll have to check that area out for my training runs.



I ended up with 299.9 for February. I could have gone outside and walked that 1/10th, but said fuck it, close enough.

Trying my hardest to taper and rest for this race on Saturday, but don't want my weekly mileage to drop too much, so I'm shooting for 50 miles for the week, including the race. Weather is supposed to be crap (2+ inches of rain, 25mph winds) which on this course means some deep stream crossings and lots of mud in the first 8 and last 3 miles. I'm going to embrace it all.

Valencia 50k is two weeks after that so I'm hoping I don't need much recovery time from this one.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/16 01:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've just started going to the gym and doing a whole body workout. This one specifically Link
My plan is to keep going and get my overall strength up. I'm not as fast as many of you guys, but I can go run a 2hr half pretty much any day of the week, but benching 100lbs sucks, lol. So I just want to be stronger and healthier overall.

I'm pretty much a novice at weight lifting so I'm sure a lot of guys here could give me pointers, but for now I'm just working my way back into it, I did Starting Strength before and it made a big difference so hopefully just a few months of this will give me some good gains I can work on keeping. \:\)

Anyway, looks like you did a cool race man!

Ironmom, 300 mile month!? What are you turning elite? Geez! You're gonna smash WTC! Looking forward to seeing how you do and hear all about it!


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/16 02:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Doing that KEy west (?) 100m death march again?

me: I'm still in burnout-timeout \:D


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/16 03:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I haven't posted up in here lately so here's what is going on with me.

Finished out 2015 with 1800 miles, which was a lot for me. I did a few half marathons at the end of the year and one early this year. Winter is racing season here in Florida after all, lol.

In March I'll be volunteering for the first time at a race, pretty excited about that!

I'm keeping up a consistent 100 miles a month right now and will build that up for races. I am doing a marathon in May and just this morning signed up for JFK50 in November! That's the main race I'll be doing this year and excited to do it.

I just started hitting the gym again, just once a week on Tuesday (today will be week 3) and going to build that into twice a week.


JFK is a fun one and perfectly suited for Florida flat training

Here's my mini write up on it if you're interested

http://clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/294598/Number/7442279#Post7442279


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/16 04:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
Doing that KEy west (?) 100m death march again?

me: I'm still in burnout-timeout \:D


I debated on doing the 50, cuz I know I could. Then it was $200 to sign up, then the drive, hotels, etc. Nah I spent the money on JFK instead. \:\) I will go back to Keys and do it though!

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I haven't posted up in here lately so here's what is going on with me.

Finished out 2015 with 1800 miles, which was a lot for me. I did a few half marathons at the end of the year and one early this year. Winter is racing season here in Florida after all, lol.

In March I'll be volunteering for the first time at a race, pretty excited about that!

I'm keeping up a consistent 100 miles a month right now and will build that up for races. I am doing a marathon in May and just this morning signed up for JFK50 in November! That's the main race I'll be doing this year and excited to do it.

I just started hitting the gym again, just once a week on Tuesday (today will be week 3) and going to build that into twice a week.


JFK is a fun one and perfectly suited for Florida flat training

Here's my mini write up on it if you're interested

http://clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/294598/Number/7442279#Post7442279



Oh didn't know you did it. Will be reading it for sure. I saw there is an article on JFK in the new Ultrarunning too. Unfortunately I haven't finished last issue with our resident ultra elite athlete laughing in it that gets me every time I see it.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/03/16 06:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Went and read your race report again, once I saw the map I was like I remember reading this! Man 2013 was like forever ago now, lol.

I really hope that someday all of us ultra wannabes will do a race together. was cool to run with Chris at Javelina, granted, he was way in front of me. I think he beat my 100k time by like 4 hours, lol.


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
03/08/16 11:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: CrazedQ50
 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
unless that 28:xx effort was quite "soft" it's hard to make much in terms of gains in anything short of like 3-4 months I think? 6 weeks is *almost* about the time to start your taper for the race. hahaha.

good way to know if the effort was soft? Did you ...around mile 1.5.... know definitively that there was absolutely no way you could maintain the current pace for another 1.5? , then you know the pace was good

You look like you are a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen tho /homo [1.5 yrs? haha]


I was suprised that I was still feeling good at the halfway point.. Normally I lose like 2-3 minutes on the back half \:\( .. There I was able to keep pace the whole time.. guessing I was at about 85-90% effort.

you got 90 seconds just practicing to push your effort level

that practice will probably give you another 20 seconds of improved fitness.


It's seriously easy to cut 2 minutes off a first 5km. 4 weeks tops.

The next 2 minutes could take 4 months to 4 years.


You smart!

After running about 3 times a week, I'm inside 27 minutes now.. after getting used to the distance and how much exertion I can withstand for an extended period, my best time is now 26:40

So I have a little under a month to attempt to shave off another 2 minutes.



schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/16 12:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

awesome. I still say you have a sub 20:00 in you with probably not too much training required \:D

not that thats amazingly fast or anything, but you'd be out in front at least of any local 5k I bet. I see 18:xx win a lot of em, and in the older age groups you often don't have to break 20:00 to 'win' your AG \:D

shit I got a 3rd in the bridge-bridge one in SF in my AG with only a 23:10 or something [hey there was a big fucking hill alright!] which is probably more sad and a reflection of the participants than anything. haha. I'll take it

of course some 30 year old just 'won' our local 408k to the row [4.97 miler or an 8k] in 22:xx, averaging 4:27/mi pace \:o

I guess that implies he's easily 13:xx 5k capable, which I think might mean he's top 1 or 200 in the country possibly (?)

that doesnt happen a lot haha


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/16 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So this past Saturday I had what was probably the ultra performance of my life so far...maybe only trumped by Leadville.
Drove up to Auburn/Cool on Friday with my buddy Jeff, got our bibs, had dinner with my family at the local Sizzler, then so drove the hour back to my parents house to get a few hours sleep. Back up at 5 for the drive back to pick up Jeff and get to the start. It had poured rain all night, and the skies were cloudy, but the rain held off.

Start to Mile 8
Gun went off at 8 and we took off down the road. This race has 1200 people starting, so the first 1.5 miles on the wide road is great because it allows everyone to settle in before it dumps into the single track. Shortly after that we crossed the stream that was thigh deep in me. This first loop has a few gentle climbs, but it's a great section for settling into a good pace. Trail was a mess with mud and water but it didn't cause me any grief, I was enjoying myself splashing through every puddle I could find. Passed through the start/finish area in just over an hour and headed down towards the river.

Miles 9-20
The trail takes us down some technical (and now wet) trail to the confluence of the American River, where we then have 5 or so miles of rolling gravel road along the river. I felt fantastic here. I was maintaining an 8:45 or so average pace, even with multiple rolling hills. I was enjoying the views and the cool weather. Aerobicaly it felt easy and my legs were quick and light. Eventually the trail starts climbing up the hills above us, all on beautiful, wet single track. I focused on running what so could and hiking when I felt I should. I was caught in a conga line, so when we hit the aid station at mile 20, I downed a cup of Coke, refilled my single handheld and hauled ass out of there.

Mile 20-26
I ended up behind a guy that was running a good pace so I settled in to see how that felt. He asked me if I wanted to get by and I told him nah, I was good. He suggested we push the pace and so said lets go for it. The next 6 miles might be my favorite I've ever run. We were hauling ass. Charging along this gently rolling narrow trail with beautiful views the whole way. At one point my watch chimed a mile and it was well under 8 minutes. We probably passed 20 people in that stretch.
Eventually we hit the base of the toughest hill on the course, Goat Hill. I thanked my buddy for the good time, and quickly put some time on him as I started power hiking. It went by much faster this time, and never had to stop and catch my breath like I have in previous races. There's an aid station at the top, and I stopped just long enough to refill my bottle and down 2 cups of Coke.

26 to the finish
The next 3 miles roll and descend back to the highway before a final climb before the finish. It had started raining really hard, and the trail was trashed, but I did my best to stay on my feet while moving as quick as I could. Still feeling strong, Those miles flew by. Crossed the highway alongside former MLB pro Eric Byrnes and tried to make quick work of the steep hill with a mile to go. Grunted it out and tried to dig deep over the last stretch to the finish.
Crossed in 4:37 and set a 10 minute 50k/course PR and a full half hour faster than my race last year. Amazingly I felt fantastic. Almost no soreness and barely out of breath. I think the conditions were more the limiting factor than my fitness.
I did this whole race on 1 bottle of Gatorade G2, 4 cups of Coke and about 6 Salt Sticks. No other food or nutrition. Never lacked energy.
Hung around in the rain with my parents till Jeff finished almost 2 hours later, then it was straight to the car for the 7 hour drive home.

85/818 overall
23/180 in my AG

Taken on Goat Hill:



Strava file:
https://www.strava.com/activities/509472258


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/09/16 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way to go man! You're doing great this year. You're going back to Javelina right? Gonna kick its ass man!

Are you trying to do fat adaptation? That is a low amount of calories to take in for that type of exercise. Pretty cool though, I want to give that a shot myself.

Always heard Way Too Cool is a good race, sounds like you had a ton of fun! Did you see Eric Schranz out there? I saw he had a post on URP he was taking pictures.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/16 05:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well done man. I'm impressed you knocked that out with almost no supplements. Very fast race!!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/09/16 07:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, saw Eric out there...he's been out every year that I've done it.

My nutrition plan (or lack thereof) wasn't intentional, I was planning on eating from the aid stations as I felt I needed it. I had some donut holes and a Diet Coke for breakfast but once I was moving, I just didn't feel like I needed anything. I probably drank 2.5 bottles of water after that G2 I started with. Even at the end I was moving really well with no drop in energy level. I learned early on in my Ironman racing that I can basically run aid station to aid station on nothing but Coke, so my body definitely knows how to put it to use.

I'm not sure about Javelina yet. I want to see how AC goes first before I commit to another hundred. I need retribution from that race, so I know I'll go back, just not sure when.


 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
Way to go man! You're doing great this year. You're going back to Javelina right? Gonna kick its ass man!

Are you trying to do fat adaptation? That is a low amount of calories to take in for that type of exercise. Pretty cool though, I want to give that a shot myself.

Always heard Way Too Cool is a good race, sounds like you had a ton of fun! Did you see Eric Schranz out there? I saw he had a post on URP he was taking pictures.


Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/10/16 07:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh that's cool, would be funny to see him at a race since I've listened to like every single one of his damn podcasts lol.

Pretty awesome you can do so well with little energy taken in. Sounds like you're basically fat adapted even without purposefully trying to be, lol. I pretty much always use Tailwind on double digit runs and take nothing for anything less than that. I'd like to work up to taking less energy for a marathon and maybe more, depending on how much running I really do that's 20+ miles, not that often, lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/16 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn...not sure what came over me. Had no intention to go that fast, it just sort of happened. Pretty happy considering I'm only 7 days post 50k PR.


This was only a minute or so off my 1/2 PR.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/16 09:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread




That is fast \:o


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/16 12:02 PM
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2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/16 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



so fast. fastest man alive!

(but seriously, that's quick! Good work Chris \:\) )


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/16 08:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^yup
from the other end of the performance spectrum...

9:15/mi GAP adjusted half marathon on my long/slow day @ 124 HR -goal was to keep it at/below 125 to ensure I was taking it easy \:D [zone 2 effort]

I'm unfortunately developing a fondness for "working out" in zone 2 now haha. In everything. Because I have a huge case of vaginismus still from my burnout 2 weeks ago. I need to schedule [1] hard threshold 8-9 miler HMP effort in next week though. Hoping I don't cry through the whole thing again.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/16 09:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just checking in. Burned about 80 miles this weekend, plus hockey game. After pizza tonight, +10 lbs.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/16 12:30 AM
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Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/16 10:10 AM
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Lividentity
(Major Member)
03/17/16 12:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What running shorts do you guys use? I only wear pairs with long underwear built in. I used to wear Saucony because they were the only shorts of that style with a pocket big enough to hold a Note phone, I bought an armband and now can try other shorts. I got a pair of Nike's that are nice, but Nike stuff is made like shit and a month in they rip apart.

I might just give a try to buying some kind of underwear and then running shorts without underwear, its just easier to have it all one piece but haven't been able to find a good pair that will last.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/16 05:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have like 7 pairs of Patagonia Strider Pros. Best shorts ever. No compression built in though. I did get a pair of the new North Face better than nakeds that are really nice and have compression liners built in.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

not sure if this was a step back (?) but it feels like it. 2 weeks out from my next half race I tried to hold my goal HMP/GAP adjusted and failed. And I had to take a 4 minute break at mile 4 to calm the fuck down. HR way higher than I expected it to be for this pace. Considering re-evaluating my pace goal here /possibly not over my near-anemia either [dont have new bloodwork but assumed that its getting better]

my goal in SF is ~8:30 actual or ~8:07 GAP. Here I had to take a break to do 8:15 GAP. fuck, and it was only for 8



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 12:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I notice you like to focus on this GAP stuff...I don't think I've ever even looked at it. If I have a specific pace I want/need to run, I go out and attempt to run that pace...hills be damned.
As for your issues...maybe just focus on form and cadence and not worry so much about pace?


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I figured its a way to normalize effort on a course with hills [when you cant trust pace as much]. I also look to HR for the same info

2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 12:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
I figured its a way to normalize effort on a course with hills [when you cant trust pace as much]. I also look to HR for the same info


but your elevation gain was 115' in 8 miles \:\|


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I live in San Jose bro, this is my hilly route. Come at me. If I went even 0.5 miles further it would be another ~100' up \:D

I know both of you are far more experienced than me but I'm trying to thread the needle on threshold runs here [discovering/teaching my body to run at the absolute limit]. Having an idea what the GAP adjustment for my course is helps me hit that mark.


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/18/16 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chill out dude, training runs arent race day. Hose out that vag and relax.

2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
I live in San Jose bro, this is my hilly route. Come at me. If I went even 0.5 miles further it would be another ~100' up \:D

I know both of you are far more experienced than me but I'm trying to thread the needle on threshold runs here [discovering/teaching my body to run at the absolute limit]. Having an idea what the GAP adjustment for my course is helps me hit that mark.


You're coming at this like a cyclist with numbers and goals and targets and what not. Too much thinking going on here. I think you should start covering your watch face with tape and just running by feel and uploading your results once a week.


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/18/16 12:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, whats your max HR?

Ampsman in Extremis
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03/18/16 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

143 is easy/recovery, something is wrong if you are getting worked.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 12:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my peak HR is 175, my LTHR is right around 152-3 running , so this was a zone 3/4 effort--I'm right next to my anaerobic threshold with just a little bit of reserve. I was just under 150 at the end which is quite nearly hitting it. On the first half I was in the low 140s, mostly because the first 2 miles are always low/warmup. I thought I'd have more reserve than this is why I'm bummed and probably have to adjust downwards my goal pace.

some of us are older than others \:D

I wish I was better at understanding threshold runs without having to look at pace and elevation and HR and all that, dont get me wrong. I only look closely at this stuff in the final weeks leading up to a race--and only on my pace run. This was a test of my largely recently broken infrastructure. Turns out its not all good. heh


2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lactate thresholds? Anaerobic thresholds? zones? warmups?



Man, just go run until you puke and then re hydrate with a cold barley pop at the finish


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I cant even run a 5k [my fave race] by feelz [although I'd like to learn how]

I'll fuckin nail mile 1 and mile 2 split(s) tho! lol [from there I wont look any more]

...depending on how tall/many buildings there are nearby lol GPS


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
Lactate thresholds? Anaerobic thresholds? zones? warmups?



Man, just go run until you puke and then re hydrate with a cold barley pop at the finish


This, you are over thinking it.


Ampsman in Extremis
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03/18/16 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
I cant even run a 5k [my fave race] by feelz [although I'd like to learn how]

I'll fuckin nail mile 1 and mile 2 split(s) tho! lol [from there I wont look any more]

...depending on how tall/many buildings there are nearby lol GPS


You cant run by feelz cause you never let yourself. Easy runs should feel easy and hard runs should hurt.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 01:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is a compromise only looking when it beeps the mile split ?

Sir Ironpool
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03/18/16 01:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Can you speak English please? This is 'Murica afterall. \:D

I don't know man...I agree that you're overthinking it. Anybody can learn to run by feel...you just gotta put in the miles. I've never ever worn a HR monitor, have no idea what my heart rate is at any level...but it's pretty obvious to me when I'm working hard vs. taking it easy. I just use that as my gauge. I also learned long ago that I can't let the results of any given training run (or week, or month) convince me of changing a goal for a race. Go out there and lay that shit out on the course. PR or ER baby!

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
my peak HR is 175, my LTHR is right around 152-3 running , so this was a zone 3/4 effort--I'm right next to my anaerobic threshold with just a little bit of reserve. I was just under 150 at the end which is quite nearly hitting it. On the first half I was in the low 140s, mostly because the first 2 miles are always low/warmup. I thought I'd have more reserve than this is why I'm bummed and probably have to adjust downwards my goal pace.

some of us are older than others \:D

I wish I was better at understanding threshold runs without having to look at pace and elevation and HR and all that, dont get me wrong. I only look closely at this stuff in the final weeks leading up to a race--and only on my pace run. This was a test of my largely recently broken infrastructure. Turns out its not all good. heh


2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
is a compromise only looking when it beeps the mile split ?


You left the beep on your watch? You may as well be running in cotton. Noob


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/18/16 02:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

it's awesome when you're with a shoulder to shoulder pack of hundreds of people hearing the hundreds of BEEEPPSSS at the first or 2nd mile marker

I make sure to keep it on. For my current watch [suunto] I had to make an app to do it using their API. wth do u even garmin basic feature?


Design
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03/18/16 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All I will say is... the treadmill is an unforgiving b*tch.

Dial in target speed, try to survive. Good luck!


schtickaz.ai
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03/18/16 02:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

treadmills even on ~2* incline are still like ~:15s/mile faster than outdoor pace equivalent effort yea [YMMV on treadmill/calibration/sunspots]

when I did a 5k race 2 days ago at work [charity thing] on a treadmill I was definitely worried about launching off the back lol


2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 02:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
it's awesome when you're with a shoulder to shoulder pack of hundreds of people hearing the hundreds of BEEEPPSSS at the first or 2nd mile marker

I make sure to keep it on. For my current watch [suunto] I had to make an app to do it using their API. wth do u even garmin basic feature?


oh man, you're such a cyclist at heart


Design
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03/18/16 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
treadmills even on ~2* incline are still like ~:15s/mile faster than outdoor pace equivalent effort yea [YMMV on treadmill/calibration/sunspots]

when I did a 5k race 2 days ago at work [charity thing] on a treadmill I was definitely worried about launching off the back lol


Little practice works wonders. Though I will say my approach is more a result of circumstance than preference.


schtickaz.ai
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03/18/16 04:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

you would have loved my work-runner-buddy [we run the trails around work maybe 1x/week]. In our treadmill 'race' every time I moved the treadmill up 0.1mph he did the same

were it not for el nino I'd never touch a treadmill. hoping to stop soon


2000SiRacer
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03/18/16 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
you would have loved my work-runner-buddy [we run the trails around work maybe 1x/week]. In our treadmill 'race' every time I moved the treadmill up 0.1mph he did the same

were it not for el nino I'd never touch a treadmill. hoping to stop soon


My run yesterday. Sorry to hear about el nino.



Sir Ironpool
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03/18/16 06:31 PM
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Sir Ironpool
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03/20/16 06:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Second 50k of the month in the books. This race was the Valencia 50k, which for those that don't know the area, is about 30 minutes north of LA off to the east of I5 and kinda near Six Flags Magic Mountain.
This was the inaugural race, so it was on the smaller side but it ended up being pretty fantastic. Tough course though...5300ft of very spread out over the entire 30 miles so it was a pretty constant up and down that started with a 700 or so foot climb in the first mile to get up into the hills. I was in a group of the top 3 or 4 minus pro ultra stud Jesse Haynes who I lost sight of within 10 minutes.

The course was 2 different loops (they ran a concurrent 10k and half Mary)that overlapped followed by a long out and back with a 2 mile detour down a big hill (and back up). First loop flew by with some spectacular single track along a knife ridge, where I passed a girl that was fast on everything but that. Watching her slide down the steep stuff on her tight little LuLu Lemon clad ass was pretty funny. I passed her and stayed in 2nd for the next few miles before she caught me on the second loop. I was feeling pretty good...the climbing and descending was tough on the legs, but aerobically I was hardly working.
Started the 50k only stretch and then made it down the long descent to the first turnaround. I was caught there by another guy and a woman and we all started back up. I stayed with the guy, but the chick was gone! She was moving so well on that climb it was pretty amazing. After topping back out and continuing on the ridge line I had slowly dropped the other guy, meaning I had settled into 4th overall, 2nd male. I was carrying two bottles, one with water, the other with Gatorade. I was draining both about every 75 minutes to start, but it started getting quite warm so I used the water to douse myself every 10 minutes or so. Again, no fuel in this race other than salt stick chewables (2 an hour, then 2 every half hour after it warmed up) a few cups of Coke and a single handful of peanut M&M's and pretzels. With the Gatorade I doubt I took in more than 300 calories the whole race.
At the last turnaround there was no staff so you had to grab a button from a box so they knew you'd gone the whole way. Made the turn and started the 9 mile return trip. I could see here that I was about 10 minutes behind the two ladies and a good 45 minutes behind the leader. I could also see that the 3rd place guy was only 2 or 3 minutes behind me...but he was looking pretty tired. At this point I popped 2 ibuprofen as my legs and feet were starting to grumble and I wanted to increase that gap so I wasn't running scared the last few miles.
From there to the finish it was the same constant 3 or 4 minute climb, followed by an equal descent on rocky, exposed fire road. I tried to stay cool and attack the climbs, recovering on the descents. Hard to get into a rhythm. I would occasionally look back and could see 5th place a few hills back, getting father every time I looked. Blew through the last 2 aid stations figuring I had enough water, but at was slamming back the salt tabs as my quads were getting a little crampy. Hit the last downhill as hard as I could and finally saw the finish. Crossed in 5:11, only 6 or so minutes behind 2nd and 3rd place. 4th overall, 2nd male.

I'm really happy with this race. That's a solid time for me on a tough course like that. Way Too Cool might as well have been a road race in comparison, lol.

Time to rest a little with a ski trip at the end of the month and a week in Mexico later in April. Will hopefully keep the weekly mileage around 60 or so then ramp back up for May, June and July. I did just sign up for the Silver Rush 50 miler in Leadville in early July since we'll be there on vacation. It's a month out from Angeles Crest so it's incredibly smart or really stupid. We'll see. \:D

Strava file: https://www.strava.com/activities/522398138


2000SiRacer
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03/21/16 08:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work, Chris!

 Quote:
First loop flew by with some spectacular single track along a knife ridge, where I passed a girl that was fast on everything but that.


It's been my experience that even the fastest women are more tentative on technical downhills and exposed sections. I suspect they have stronger self preservation mechanisms

PS great strava pic, just saw that \:\)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/16 11:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job Chris. Solid performance.

Design
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03/22/16 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Forgot to mention that I've been hitting the trails with the Run Club. Usually a morning or two each week. It's helping me find some additional routes around South County.







2000SiRacer
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03/22/16 03:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

And while you guys are battling the el ninos and running on dry trails, don't forget your brothers in winter. This was my "run" on Sunday. Focus on vert. Loosely packed snow. At one point I post holed up to my waist and felt open air beneath my foot lol turnaround









Sir Ironpool
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03/22/16 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That looks fun as hell.

2000SiRacer
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03/22/16 03:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
That looks fun as hell.


Yeah it's a blast - I'm not complaining one bit. Good to be back

That's actually the RRR course - I topped out about 120' below this point:

Warning, Spoiler:


because by then I was just following the out of bound ski tracks (hence the waist deep post holing)

EDIT: you can actually see the rock face the runners are traversing in the last picture I posted above. It's the big dark rock face


schtickaz.ai
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03/22/16 06:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is that what people do when they dont want to ski or snowboard?

2000SiRacer
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03/22/16 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
is that what people do when they dont want to ski or snowboard?


post hole up fish creek for a workout? no, not really

If people want to get outside in the winter and not ski or snowboard they snowshoe, fly fish, mountain bike, ride sleds, etc. Only idiots are out post holing up to their waists.


SJP0tato
(Member)
03/22/16 08:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Second 50k of the month in the books.


Kickass race!

Now for the selfish content:

Do you find the salt tabs help with cramping? My last two races right around mile 21-22 my calves just start cramping/locking up. I think hydration might be a part of it, but I've never tried any salt suppliments either. Maybe I'll start working 'em in for the longer races, as long as they aren't hurting they can only help, right? \:\)


Sir Ironpool
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03/23/16 01:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

They absolutely work....and they work fast. I try to stay ahead of them but sometimes I get behind and I'll start feeling the twinges, so I'll slam a few back and within a minute or two they're gone.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/16 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

+1 for salt tabs.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/16 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

final HMP run 9 days out from my half race. what a difference a week makes I guess. Was a little cooler to my advantage. Also I ended up not doing my LSR last weekend so I'm probably a bit tapered. Either way felt like a confidence booster

last 3 miles I was able to easily keep it under 8:00/actual, I'm only hoping for ~8:29 actual next weekend in the race. Hills will be a bitch so it will be close [I hope, heh]

compared to last weeks effort I took ~40s worth of breaks [water fountains] vs about 4.5 minutes, and my pace was about :10s/mi quicker, and my HR was 1 beat lower [which is significant, imo, because of the breaks in the earlier run vs this one]. Temp was about 5* cooler this time tho [72* vs 77* which might be the only actual difference that matters heh]

I believe this is my fastest 8@HMP simulated effort by a bit [minute or so] but more importantly [to me anyways] is that it didnt hurt that much and I felt really good. Fuck hopefully I havent used up my 'good run' for the next week or so lol.

*I didn't mention the acronym GAP even once so hopefully everyone remains un-triggered

Here's a table of my recent pace runs that I'm trying to use to fine-tune what pace I'm going to target [blindly going after 8:30 actual, making sure to slow for the uphills and speed up the downhills]

date dist actual/GAP rest HR

[3/25/16] 8.1 |8:13/8:05| [:46s rest, 142 avg HR]
[3/17/16] -8.0- |8:22/8:15| [3:58s rest, 143 avg HR]
[2/26/16] -8.1- |8:22/8:13| [1:25s rest, 141 avg HR]
[2/19/16] -8.0- |8:23/8:14| [:40s rest, no HR data]
[2/5/16] -6.2- |7:56/7:54| [:0s rest, no HR data]
[12/13/16] -13.2- |8:39/8:34| [:0s rest, no HR data]

I figure I'm ok effort wise if I stay out of the 150 HR-range other than briefly on the hills until around mile 9 or so, then I can probably enter that point of no return [for me] heh. My last half race 5 months ago I entered the 150s just before mile 2 ouch, and the wheels came off from mile 9 on.


2000SiRacer
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03/26/16 03:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread




Well if the temperature is +/- 5* from the average temp of the last 50 years for this latitude on the second Saturday of April and global warming is not a thing and everything goes well(1) then I should be able to hold an 8:05.43 minutes/mile pace for 13.1 miles without my heart rate getting higher than that of an average American when confronted with the prospect of leaning forward off the couch to reach a bowl of snacks.

(1)not the least of which includes an average to below average(2) number of drinking fountains along the official course
(2)average being 0.85 municipal fountains per kilometer according to the American Planning Association's most recent survey circa 2009


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/16 06:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm up here in the Bay Area with my family spending the weekend with some friends so I decided to run the Dipsea trail out and back. 14.5 miles and 4500 feet of gain. It's really too bad that Ampsman chose hoes over Bro's and I had to do it solo. \:\(

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/16 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ampsman not choosing bros before hoes? Color me SHOCKED \:\|



schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/16 07:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I get that you think I'm an idiot, and that's perfectly fine with me. Appreciate the feedback anyways doe.

I'm about to go swim some intervals and perhaps you would suggest I go by feelz there instead of what the clock says right?

also chris thks for the non-headsup on the dipsea


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/16 10:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
I get that you think I'm an idiot, and that's perfectly fine with me. Appreciate the feedback anyways doe.

I'm about to go swim some intervals and perhaps you would suggest I go by feelz there instead of what the clock says right?

also chris thks for the non-headsup on the dipsea


I don't think you're an idiot, in fact it's quite the opposite. You're being too smart about it.

Oh well, different strokes and all that. Whatever floats your goat.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/16 01:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hopefully just to clarify my comment earlier: I accept the criticism...
I don't know if I mentioned it but I only do this like 1x/week at most, I've done it 4 times this year and I jog at an easy pace the rest of the time. I've kinda given up on intervals/running as I think those led to my overtraining burnout earlier

But I know no better way to learn where my threshold run /limits are, so I try to collect whatever information I can that I think is relevant when comparing identical runs. Probably the most important is evaluating how it 'felt'

Trying to prevent my tendency to bonk at mile 9 in 2/3 half marathons I've done to date. In the one I didn't, I didn't even attempt to run my best, just have a conservative pace. Probably left several minutes on the table.
Trying to learn what it feels like before/during an effort at this distance where I'm actually over-running running myself so I can avoid it. I realizes this kind of analysis triggers the more 'natural" or those who e learned to go by feel. I wish that was me. I only do these test runs leading up to a race to re-learn what my limits are. Success to me on a 8-9 miler half marathon goal pace effort is feeling solid at the end with the ability to negative split some more and feeling like I have the ability to close out 5 more at or better than the pace I was holding.

Gotta poke the tiger and fail to know what that is. I think most importantly is to recognize what it feels like to have a bad day and to compensate. I have a history of just being a slave to pace and ignoring that and paying for it. One big mind game in my opinion learning how to get the last minute or so out of your fitness level in a race. How I deal with that is collecting data haha

I think failing hard a couple weeks ago was good and I learned from it. I can tell as early as mile 3 according to my notes when I'm having a bad day and need to move to plan B


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/16 05:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Eh, bottom line you're trending in a positive direction. So whatever you're doing seems to be working.

My next race comes up this weekend - 200 mile Ragnar Relay with the Run Club. Goal is to finish alive.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/16 06:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^sounds like fun. 8 man team I imagine?

Design
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03/28/16 06:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

12 total. My section is split into 3 legs... total of 22 miles.

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/16 09:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: CrazedQ50
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: CrazedQ50
 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
unless that 28:xx effort was quite "soft" it's hard to make much in terms of gains in anything short of like 3-4 months I think? 6 weeks is *almost* about the time to start your taper for the race. hahaha.

good way to know if the effort was soft? Did you ...around mile 1.5.... know definitively that there was absolutely no way you could maintain the current pace for another 1.5? , then you know the pace was good

You look like you are a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen tho /homo [1.5 yrs? haha]


I was suprised that I was still feeling good at the halfway point.. Normally I lose like 2-3 minutes on the back half \:\( .. There I was able to keep pace the whole time.. guessing I was at about 85-90% effort.

you got 90 seconds just practicing to push your effort level

that practice will probably give you another 20 seconds of improved fitness.


It's seriously easy to cut 2 minutes off a first 5km. 4 weeks tops.

The next 2 minutes could take 4 months to 4 years.


You smart!

After running about 3 times a week, I'm inside 27 minutes now.. after getting used to the distance and how much exertion I can withstand for an extended period, my best time is now 26:40

So I have a little under a month to attempt to shave off another 2 minutes.



Ok.. this is getting harder now
Still trying to get down to a 8min/mi pace or at least inside of 25 mins for 3 miles.




stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/02/16 09:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! Already faster than cheesegoggles!

I still say ur a sub 20:00 5k waiting to happen


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/16 11:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

heh.. maybe in a year or so if I keeps at it. I think what really helps me is improving my power to weight ratio lol. Im actually down 15 lbs and can probably do another 10lbs.

Running minus a 25lb anchor helps alot! \:D


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/16 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Beat my goal time by a bit over 4 minutes wewt. Nice low HR avg also (142), I definitely left some time on the table but I'm tired of blowing up at mile 8

PR baby, 13 minutes faster than last year on this course. I nailed those hills heh



You can kinda see I waited till mile 8 to push the pace, past all the hills but one and my HR was nice and low I was convinced I was having a 'good' day. I definitely got the HR up into the mid 150s uphill tho, the one on mile 3 had me thinking about cashing it in heh.


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/16 04:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Your average HR is lower than I manage on my easiest of recovery runs. Can you hold a conversation while running flat out then? \:\(

Good work, sir.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/16 07:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats Stickaz!

Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/16 09:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Rich&VibrantUsername
Nice! Already faster than cheesegoggles!

\:\(

I ordered new running shoes before leaving on vacation a couple of weeks ago with plans to get back at it.

Then I fell off the luggage carousel in Orlando and turned my ankle. Still fucked up a week later and can't run. Maybe some day.

Edit: also congrats and fuck you on your half!!!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/16 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Why was your mom letting you play on the baggage carousel? \:D

 Originally Posted By: CheeseGoggles
 Originally Posted By: Rich&VibrantUsername
Nice! Already faster than cheesegoggles!

\:\(

I ordered new running shoes before leaving on vacation a couple of weeks ago with plans to get back at it.

Then I fell off the luggage carousel in Orlando and turned my ankle. Still fucked up a week later and can't run. Maybe some day.

Edit: also congrats and fuck you on your half!!!


Cheesegoggles
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/16 09:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Why was your mom letting you play on the baggage carousel? \:D



10:00 p.m. flight out of Orlando got canceled at about 2:30 a.m. It was either stay in the Orlando airport for 20 more hours, or retrieve my luggage and drive 80 miles to Tampa for an earlier flight. Carousel was stopped with bags in different location and retrieving one required climbing around like I was a 9 year old on a jungle gym. Then misjudged the height stepping down.

Things have been very slowly improving, but still too sore for any running.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/04/16 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thks guys/again
sorry for the call-out CG, just pullin' your chain a little

alright on to sub 1:40 HM now \:D


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/16 02:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hockey is pretty much done now, so back to stairs for more anaerobic shit.

Found a new flight of stairs to run too, 242 continuous. I'm sure I'll have concrete calves tomorrow. Previous stair case I ran at was 190 steps which I alternated sets between singles and doubles.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/06/16 04:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

u don't run downstairs do you? I tried that last year and have now banned myself for life from running downstairs [knee pain 24 hrs later]

Impulsive
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04/06/16 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, up and down. Max out at 2000 give or take + 8-12k run (combined) to get there and back.

Running down doesn't bother me. Gives me a chance to catch my breath.


schtickaz.ai
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04/06/16 04:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

lucky!

SJP0tato
(Member)
04/06/16 07:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone running the San Diego R&R races this June?

I signed up with a friend & his wife for the half out there. Looks like a good time.


Sir Ironpool
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04/06/16 09:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did the full with my wife a few years ago where she got her first BQ. It's a good course, but the last few miles on Fiesta Island SUCK! You can see the finish line across the water and it just drags!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/16 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'll be there with a bunch of friends. I'll plug in with you the week before the race... would be good to put a face with the name if time permits. I have to jet right after the race to a wedding in Thousand Oaks. Yeah I know, full crazy.




Stickaz - Nice time dude!!!!


SJP0tato
(Member)
04/08/16 12:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I did the full with my wife a few years ago where she got her first BQ. It's a good course, but the last few miles on Fiesta Island SUCK! You can see the finish line across the water and it just drags!


Nice! Just doing the half, so I'll avoid looking for any kind of finish before mile 12 or so.

 Originally Posted By: Design
I'll be there with a bunch of friends. I'll plug in with you the week before the race... would be good to put a face with the name if time permits. I have to jet right after the race to a wedding in Thousand Oaks. Yeah I know, full crazy.


Sounds awesome, it'd be nice to say hey at least. The wedding should be fun, get a drink anytime you hear someone say "I don't even DRIVE that far!", or "I only run when I'm being CHASED!" when talking to people there.


Design
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04/08/16 02:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh man, that could be dangerous (open bar). \:D My wife and I had both initially signed up for the race. But she got drafted to be in the wedding. Hence, I'll be driving between San Diego, Thousand Oaks, and South OC that day.




I thought you guys might want to see some photos from the Ragnar Relay last weekend. Quick synopsis...
- 190.4 mile race from Huntington Beach to San Diego.
- Teams of 12 (regular) or 6 (ultra) pile in 1-2 vans run nonstop across 36 race segments. 650 - 800 teams total.
- 3 segments (legs) per runner, 3-12 miles per leg, with 6-10 hours recovery in between.

Our team of 12 was comprised mostly of the LA Marathon training group and a few other friends. We spent a couple months together to plan out the food, travel, van rentals, supplies, routes, and leg assignments with start/finish times of each runner. The team was then split into two vans. Each van could enlist a volunteer as a driver, or rotate around the runners as their driver. We chose to do the latter.

The day before the race we checked in our vans and race gear. We attended a safety briefing about the rules of Ragnar. We then picked up our timing chips, bibs, and a running bracelet that acted as the baton between each leg. The advantage to checking in the day before, is we don't have to worry about it on race day. Because there are a million other things going on lol.

Van 1 began early Friday morning with their 6 legs. I met up with the other members of Van 2 later in the morning. We loaded up and drove to intercept Van 1 at the first major exchange point. Although we had an idea how long it would take each runner to finish, we'd text the other van when our team would start their last leg in the series. Worked out pretty good for coordination. Anyway, by 12 PM we (Van 2) began our first series of legs. I ran a warm 7.5 miler in Laguna Niguel in about 1:08 with 8-10 stops for traffic lights. After our last runner in the van finished up, we leapfrogged past Van 1 and drove straight to the next major exchange. It was there we would have an hour or so to freshen up, relax and/or eat while Van 1 ran their segments.

We repeated our other segments overnight and into Saturday afternoon. I ran my 2nd segment at around 2 AM in Carlsbad in cool 50* weather. Took about 50 minutes to run 5.8 miles. Much less traffic, but held back several minutes to help out a girl who was trying to run my pace, and tripped over the sidewalk. She assured me she was fine so we gathered her gear and paced half a mile, before I took off again at my own pace. I managed to grab a couple hours of sleep before my 3rd segment - an 8.7 miler in 78* heat in San Diego. Combined with the fatigue, that one felt brutal. But managed to squeeze out a 9:30/mile despite 15 or so traffic lights.

As we headed to the finish line to meet our final runner, traffic was backed up over 40 minutes. But it was great to all meet up and run across the finish line together. In the end, with all but one being first time Ragnarians, we did MUCH better than we were expecting. A little over 33 hours total with only a couple minor snags along the route. No lost runners, no missed exchange points. We hung out in the finish area to grab a beer and share some war stories. 170 kills for Van 1, 194 kills for Van 2 . The kills represented any new Ragnar runners we would pass and remain ahead along the route.

Hard to describe the feeling other than 1) glad it was over, and 2) pretty cool bonding experience among the team. We're in the lottery to do Ragnar Napa in November. Otherwise we'll regroup for LA Marathon and Ragnar So Cal next year.

Without question, this is probably one of the most rewarding races that I've done to date. I think some of you guys should seriously consider doing the Ragnar Ultra.

Anyway, on to the pics...



Some of the teams & decorated vans at the first major exchange point (not us):





Some examples on how the course was marked. There was also a GPS-based app we could use to follow the route in case anyone got lost.




Yours truly wrapping up my 2nd run at 3 AM, and my final run at 2 PM the same day.




The combined team medals, one for each runner.



And the bonus medal for running LA Marathon with Ragnar.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/21/16 09:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

mile repeat day

6:17
https://www.strava.com/activities/553012086
6:27
https://www.strava.com/activities/553012092
6:27
https://www.strava.com/activities/553012095

my favorite part: I managed to hit 166 HR in the third one. Learning how to do work. Zone 5 achieved. Fuck yes. I think I like mile repeats. Feel the bern. I definitely felt that heavy-leg/lactose thing on the 3rd/4th lap of the last one

This is an important workout to me because my <20:00 5K official hobby jogger goal is run at.... 6:26/mi pace \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/25/16 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Real happy with a big week post-vacation. 76 miles with 38 of those being on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/26/16 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job guys.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/16 09:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First big effort of the year this past weekend. Finally did the Boulder Skyline Traverse on Saturday and then woke up with tired legs and went out and did 3x5 minute hard downhill on Sunday. That part sucked

My post about getting snowed out of the Traverse last year (with some pictures): http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/342955/Number/8179006#Post8179006

The route:


The profile:


I was supposed to be going super easy and practicing my 100 mile pace but god - Boulder trails are so steep and technical that's really hard to do. I've highlighted a 62 minute 1.46 mile section (gotta love this 40 minute miles haha) that climbed 1,903' at an average grade of 25% with lots of knee high step ups, post holing, etc. The temp was up around 70 but the foot hills got like 30" of snow last weekend and there was plenty of it around up high to be sloppy. Took me 5h 38m from TH to the last summit (Sanitas) and then another 30 minutes to jog back down to the hotel. All told about 18ish miles and 6,000'


Design
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04/28/16 12:09 PM
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Sir Ironpool
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04/29/16 10:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Biggest M-F yet: 60 miles. Should be well over 80 for the week. If I can keep feeling this good for the next 3 months, AC will be epic.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/16 09:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

112 miles in the last 10 days.

2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 07:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
112 miles in the last 10 days.


Nice!! You oughtta call the RD and see if you can have the race moved to June this year. You're ready haha


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 03:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm at 3.5 miles for the week [including warmup/warmdown] and I averaged 10:00/mi pace. it was on a treadmill. Just figured I would update everyone. your welcome. I also got yelled at by the old lady next to me several times for 'flinging my sweat everywhere' it was as hillarious as it was aggravating, she had some god damn comment or other like every 2-3 minutes about something I was doing. I suppose in retrospect I deserve that


. if it wasnt the worst it was on the list of the worst jogs I've ever had in my life.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 05:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: tryhard
I'm at 3.5 miles for the week [including warmup/warmdown] and I averaged 10:00/mi pace. it was on a treadmill.

if it wasnt the worst it was on the list of the worst jogs I've ever had in my life.








Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 05:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
112 miles in the last 10 days.


That's generally more than I do in a month. Nice work!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 07:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
112 miles in the last 10 days.


That's generally more than I do in a month. Nice work!


Ideally May, June and July will all be 300 mile months. If I can do that with no problems I'll have my eye on a sub 24 finish at AC. :fingerscrossed:


2000SiRacer
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
112 miles in the last 10 days.


That's generally more than I do in a month. Nice work!


Ideally May, June and July will all be 300 mile months. If I can do that with no problems I'll have my eye on a sub 24 finish at AC. :fingerscrossed:


You're a freak and I love you. Are you still available in September mr speed demon??


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/05/16 09:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuckin' A Bubba.

 Originally Posted By: 2000SiRacer
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
112 miles in the last 10 days.


That's generally more than I do in a month. Nice work!


Ideally May, June and July will all be 300 mile months. If I can do that with no problems I'll have my eye on a sub 24 finish at AC. :fingerscrossed:


You're a freak and I love you. Are you still available in September mr speed demon??


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/16 12:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^wewt GL
6
...and speedwork, 5x1000 w/200m walking between so some of these splits look fucked up, also I had to use lane 1 sometimes then switch over to #4/5 as some Tweens were doing relay practice

All good tho, a pretty solid speed workout for me, trying to simulate my upcoming 5k race a bit, and I'm 6 days post my first 70.3 so still kinda burnt. Lookin good tho

Unless some speed/endurance comes out of nowhere I'm sorta thinking a 6:40 pacing to shoot for about 20:45 is probably realistic for me at this point, maybe not quite ready for 20:00
I was actually running these 1000s at 4:08 almost on the nose which converts to 6:40 pace... The GPS watch here looks error end relative to the actual splits I recorded manually even for lane 1. 200m of walking between wasn't a lot of rest tho so I dunno




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/16 06:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another 80 mile week in the bank. So far so good.



stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/16 09:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^we may be approaching peak ironmom

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/16 02:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Only managed to squeeze in 70 last week since I took a day off due to family being in town. I did do an 18.5 miler on the road yesterday and did another 10 this morning on fairly sore legs. I have a feeling these kinds of workouts will make or break my race in August.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/16 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

august? hay is in the barn bro!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/16/16 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: tryhard
august? hay is in the barn bro!


Lol, I wish. I have a fear of peaking too early for sure, but I need to keep this shit up till at least the 50 miler in Leadville in July. Then I can start easing off the gas.

I'm going to try and do the 3/1 rotation. 3 weeks of 80ish miles, followed by a week in the mid 60's, then repeat.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/16 07:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I have really been running a lot again lately, due to a favorable early morning schedule. I am picking up some knee pain on my right knee though, which has never happened before. Probably just getting old. It is right below the knee cap. I notice that I overpronate, and the asics I have are neutral based. I just ordered a pair of the Asics GT 3000, which had moderate support, so we will see how that goes. I had the Gel Oracles before, but I have been running on those for the last three years, so I definitely needed a new pair.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/03/16 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The shoes should help, but also be sure to ease back a little. You're likely hitting a new place that your body isn't used too and it needs some time to adapt.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/16 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

AC100 training update.
Managed to hit 80 miles again for the week, and had 317 for the month of May. That's my second highest mileage month since before Leadville, so training is right on par (if not better) than it was for that race...which has me feeling pretty confident.

I'm racing a 50k this Saturday up near Yosemite called Shadow of the Giants. I've heard it's a fast course with only 3k feet of vert, so I'm planning on shooting for a distance PR of 4:30, but I'm not going to taper for it at all (other than the drive up on Friday) so it should make for a great training week.

After that we head to Colorado the first week of July and I have the Leadville Silver Rush 50 miler to dread/look forward to. \:D


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/16 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

at the other end of the performance spectrum, 1 week out to my next oly tri, and 3 weeks from the last oly tri on my schedule for the year and 7 weeks out from my first marathon [SF] my training is a shambles of 'just do something', currently sliding in feet first about 10' from the bag at 25 mpw with [1] quality speed day/week. I've picked up the pace on my slow runs a little to compensate. What that 130 HR do

I'm basically at a loss for where to fit in a marathon worthy block of longer runs lol. i guess I'll cruise in with 30 mpw until the taper haha. I'm thinking the taper will be key lol


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/16 12:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: thanks napalm
So I have really been running a lot again lately, due to a favorable early morning schedule. I am picking up some knee pain on my right knee though, which has never happened before. Probably just getting old. It is right below the knee cap. I notice that I overpronate, and the asics I have are neutral based. I just ordered a pair of the Asics GT 3000, which had moderate support, so we will see how that goes. I had the Gel Oracles before, but I have been running on those for the last three years, so I definitely needed a new pair.


I agree with Chris. Probably need some time to adapt. Though your ailment is very similar to mine. And was tied to an overly stiff IT band. Foam rolling might help.

Chris - I think you're going to kill it. Great mileage man.

Stickaz - I think as long as you get in an 18-20 miler before the race, you'll be OK.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/16 01:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Unfortunately SJPotato and I missed the opportunity to connect at Rock n Roll San Diego. But we both agreed it was a fun day. Temps were in the low 70s and cloudy for most of the morning.

My dreams of shattering my PR took a detour for the better when I was asked to push one of the chairs for Team Hoyt. And as crowded as the race was, I had no complaints starting first. \:D

A friend of mine (whose son has Lowes syndrome) inured her arm last week training for Vineman. So I pushed for 10 of the 13 miles along the course. The crew asked to run a conservative 10-13 minute pace. So for the first time in a few years, I actually was out there with no music, no timer, no pace counter. No cares at all... just chatting with friends and enjoying the course the entire way.

I think the best thing about the race was the encouragement from the crowd and fellow runners. Lots of cheers from spectators yelling "Go Hoyt!" Lots of runners cheering us on as they passed by. One girl tapped me on the shoulder to say I inspired her. A couple others slowed to chat for a couple minutes. Random stuff like that.

When all said and done, I crossed the finish around 2:45:xx. Slowest half I've ever done, and probably my favorite to date.

Those who have me on FB can see a few photos of the race and a portion of the group. For everyone else, here's a single photo from the day.



SJP0tato
(Member)
06/08/16 10:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Unfortunately SJPotato and I missed the opportunity to connect at Rock n Roll San Diego. But we both agreed it was a fun day. Temps were in the low 70s and cloudy for most of the morning.

My dreams of shattering my PR took a detour for the better when I was asked to push one of the chairs for Team Hoyt. And as crowded as the race was, I had no complaints starting first. \:D


Sorry again for not checking PMs. It went from "this'll be a super relaxed weekend with a race at the end" to "holy whirlwind tour of sights to see in San Diego" thanks to the wife and her nefarious plans.

Sounds like an awesome time with the Hoyt crew. There's a 99% chance I saw you probably 1/4 mile from the starting line.


As for me: This was my first race using the "First" plan ( FirstPlan ). It emphasizes 3 runs per week: 1 interval, 1 threshold, and 1 long (but fairly near race pace, usually race-pace + 20s). Then at least 2 other quality workouts which can be cycling, rowing, swimming, pretty much any low impact activity that you're able to push hard with. I chose cycling for my alternate activity.

We spent so much time walking around and in the sun all weekend, I had a feeling a PR wasn't going to be in the books. I went out with the intention of hovering around a 7:00 pace, and then I'd drop it down if I felt good... but around mile 2 the humidity really started to kill me, so I toned it down a bit and decided to just make it a fun run there on out.

It was a good race with a nice crowd and things to see. I got to run with Meb for maybe 1/2 mile somewhere around mile 7-8. He was acting as a 1:30 pacer, in hindsight I probably should've pushed a bit to keep up with him, but I didn't really think about it at the time.

I mostly just held on and tried not to let the hills beat me up too badly. Finally sped it up to sub 7 for the last half-mile or so in a little group of 3-5 on the straightaway.


I'm not sure how to quantify how the training plan went. There were so many variables (less than ideal build-up conditions, destination race, heat/humidity, hills) that made it really difficult to compare to other plans I've used (Pfitzinger and Daniels). But I'd say overall this was probably a 6/10 effort, so it's at least decent vs my 1:27:xx half PR. I also had to abbreviate the plan, jumping in around 40% complete due to injury/recovery.
I think if/when I start the build up for a fall/winter full marathon, I might use a blend of this plan, but make the middle run a mid-week long run instead (how Pfitzinger's plan works). So it'd be something like: intervals, mid-week long run, end-week long run, with cross-training activities at least 2x per week.

Here's my Strava file from the event.

https://www.strava.com/activities/599471549


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/16 10:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man...that's a solid time for the effort you put into it. So they did away with that horrible finish at Sea World? God I hated that fucking race (the full) because of that.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wewt, nice job Ryan! I noticed that SD half course is 260' net downhill, it's kinda PR friendly methinks?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hell no Stickaz.

Some of the hills require serious effort IMHO. But the route is great and the crowd supportive.

Ryan - No worries! It was a crazy morning no doubt. (I was wearing black and red.) That's cool you ran into Meb. Probably missed him as he blew past me by Mile 2. \:D

Next time...


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/09/16 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks guys, it really was a lot of fun.

Ironmom: I think the course layout was a bit different this year, the full finished at Ash/Columbia in downtown (at least I think it's downtown).

Design is spot on about the course. There were quite a few rolling hills that weren't all that bad (considering I have almost 0 hill experience training in the Phoenix area). For every slowdown on the uphills, I'd more or less make it up on the downhills.

It really felt like I was all over the place pace-wise during the race, but looking at my official splits:
5km: 22:24, --7:13 pace
10km: 44:48, --7:13 pace
10mi: 1:11:57 --7:12 pace
I guess I had things pretty well averaged out.

A couple of the downhills were the kind where it starts out really helping, but about 1/4 of the way down you realize it's too much and have to start braking so you don't trip over your own feet (at least I did).
Maybe if you were capable of a sub 5:00 pace at miles 9.5 and 11 you could take full advantage, but I couldn't do it.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm not saying you didn't have a great race or anything, but the course is a net downhill and for people like shalane and cragg that set new PRs there (1:07/1:09 respectively) they aren't being counted due to the net downhill-ness. I know I'm slow and sad but the climb in the beginning out of the park is 100' lol, I hate hills more than anyone trust me but come on dude haha




Like for comparison here's the one I did 2 months ago, GAP adjusted probably slowed me by 3 mins and that might be pessimistic, probably less...And yes I whined for days about the hills and were terrified of them (still am tbh) but come on, they're manageable if you hit them with a plan (slow!)


Here the super flat one I do which is arguably a slower course than SD since it's not a net downhill \:o


I believe that's the flattest course in the RnR series heh


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah there was that one area in particular that had a fairly steep downhill. Had to ram the brake on the running chair for good measure (in addition to my own lol).

Wasn't paying attention to the markers but I think it was around mile 9 (?).


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



^stealing quad dip sea thunder


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/09/16 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm not saying the hills were monstrous or anything, just that there's some uphills along with the down that make it not a perfect PR course (still not bad for it).

When I think of a PR course, I picture something like the Phoenix Marathon course profile:




schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 01:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea if I were to ever launch a BQ effort I'm looking at this one...



not just the net drop, also the weather is usually ~45*F and a tailwind lol



I would probably be too embarassed to actually end up with a BQ at that one

revel canyon/near LA


**DONOTDELETE**
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06/09/16 01:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Stickaz
I'm not saying you didn't have a great race or anything, but the course is a net downhill and for people like shalane and cragg that set new PRs there (1:07/1:09 respectively) they aren't being counted due to the net downhill-ness. I know I'm slow and sad but the climb in the beginning out of the park is 100' lol, I hate hills more than anyone trust me but come on dude haha




Like for comparison here's the one I did 2 months ago, GAP adjusted probably slowed me by 3 mins and that might be pessimistic, probably less...And yes I whined for days about the hills and were terrified of them (still am tbh) but come on, they're manageable if you hit them with a plan (slow!)


Here the super flat one I do which is arguably a slower course than SD since it's not a net downhill \:o


I believe that's the flattest course in the RnR series heh


lol

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/56...3/?format=1500w


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 01:54 PM
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My wife ran CIM a few years ago and says its way harder than the profile suggests....and while the weather is cool, it's more often than not total shit weather. When she did it the water stations were like hockey rinks because the spilled water all froze. Two years ago (I think) they had 50mph horizontal rain.

And you better zip your lip about Canyon City. I've got a $100 that says you'd be whimpering on the two big hills, and downright sobbing when you're quads blew out before mile 20. The last 3 miles are flat and I passed so much carnage in that stretch I probably moved up 30 spots.

Extended downhill running requires a ton of specific training and more thought and respect than a flat course.

 Originally Posted By: Stickaz
yea if I were to ever launch a BQ effort I'm looking at this one...



not just the net drop, also the weather is usually ~45*F and a tailwind lol



I would probably be too embarassed to actually end up with a BQ at that one

revel canyon/near LA


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^having successfully triggered a past canyon participant, I rest my case!

**also having never run past ~18.0 miles, I will further rest my case


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ironmom laying the smackdown.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

well if CIM is a hard course, what about the LA marathon or some other 80*F shitshow that isn't net-downhill and actually has hills on it?

I guess we start the scale at 'hard/sucks' with the net downhill/cool courses and go to 'really hard/ really sucks' for ones like the LA marathon or Big Sur?

To put it another way, I don't think there is an easier course than CIM in california objectively given the elevation profile and expected weather

I've spent a fair amount of time on this before concluding that if I were to ever mount a BQ attempt, my best shot is at CIM [the revel canyon thing might be an option but I would feel bad about that looking at the GAP adjustment probably adding :20s/mi to my time in strava!]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 02:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pfft, my first BQ was on a course with 700ft of climbing, so you can suck it Trebek! \:D


All I'm saying about CIM is that it's been reported to me that it's harder than it looks. Lots of rolling terrain in the second half that wears you down, then a long flat section through midtown that is mentally draining.

I have zero interest in ever running LA. Doesn't have that premier big city marathon feel to make up for the fact that you're running through LA.

I'm signing up for the Boston to Big Sur challenge when it opens in July. Boston on Monday, Big Sur 5 days later.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 03:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh, and the Santa Rosa marathon deserves a look. Nice and flat, small crowds, cool temps, and soft surface. I did it a few years ago as my first standalone, and it was awesome till I blew up at mile 20.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 03:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I hear good things about Santa Rosa /also

but if theres a marathon I'd be less interested in running than the notorious LA marathon I cant imagine where it would be. Saudi Arabia?


Design
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06/09/16 03:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

LA can be a brutal b*tch in March. Seems it's either excessive rain or heat every year.

There are a couple of nasty hills on the course. One at mile 4 at Disney Concert Hall. And the heartbreaker at mile 21 as you go under Wilshire and up to the Vet Center. What makes the course worth it, is the crowd support and the gentle downhill from Mile 23-26.


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/09/16 07:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Oh, and the Santa Rosa marathon deserves a look. Nice and flat, small crowds, cool temps, and soft surface. I did it a few years ago as my first standalone, and it was awesome till I blew up at mile 20.


That one looks pretty awesome. Not sure if I can get into marathon shape in 12 weeks or not though...

I've been trying to figure out which race to do in the fall/winter, here in Phoenix the big ones are Rock & Roll which is a small net uphill, or Phoenix Marathon which is a huge downhill until mile 20.

The Phoenix seems more viable to BQ, but I'll have to really work on downhill training to not blow up at 22-23 again.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/09/16 07:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I dunno man it looked to me like you missed it by >< much when I was looking at the strava output of that last one. You had an amazing race \:D

I figure a BQ for you is just inevitable.. although your mileage has totally dropped from those days... //creepy


SJP0tato
(Member)
06/09/16 09:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Stickaz
I dunno man it looked to me like you missed it by >< much when I was looking at the strava output of that last one. You had an amazing race \:D

I figure a BQ for you is just inevitable.. although your mileage has totally dropped from those days... //creepy


It was pretty close, ~7 mins off.
Mileage drop is mostly the new training plan. I think the marathon version will bump things back up a bit more. Decisions...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/16 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had a great experience at the Shadow of the Giants 50k up near Yosemite on Saturday.

Loaded up the tent trailer and the wife/kids on Friday afternoon and pulled into our RV park campsite in Oakhurst (10 miles from the race location) at about 10pm. All set up and in bed by 11:30, then up at 5:30. Ate a donut, drank a Diet Coke, taped the nipples, and my wife drive me to the start. Beautiful little private camp in a meadow with a nice warm indoor waiting area and plenty of non-portable bathrooms. \:\)

RD said go a few minutes after 7. First 3 miles are all uphill on a jeep road, but not so steep that you couldn't jog it. Felt good and made quick work of the long descent and climb back out on the out and back section. Found myself pretty much alone except for passing the 20k runners till we crossed a river then jumped onto some beautiful singletrack that had us climb up over some ridges before dropping down into Nelder Grove which has some amazing giant sequoias. I did have to make an emergency poop stop when my stomach started cramping, which cost me a few minutes and the discomfort of wiping with handfuls of pine needles.

Nutrition was similar to Way Too Cool back in March...one bottle that I filled with G2 at the start, then it was just water, salt chews, and Coke the rest of the race. I did take a couple ibu's late in the race for some minor back pain I was having, but that was it. Felt fantastic all morning long.

From mile 21-25 it's a very gentle climb on a logging road, then it's a few downhill miles on the same road before the final 1/2 mile on some amazing sigletrack to the finish. The guys at the mile 25 AS told me I was top 15 and that the next guy was about 5 minutes ahead. I figured that was too far to worry about catching, so I just focused on moving efficiently. I had a goal of 4:30, and I was close, but knew I would have to hustle. In the last mile of road section I was catching a glimpse of a guy a little ways ahead. As soon as I jumped onto the last bit of trail, he was leaning up against a tree trying to fight off some cramps. I yelled "hang in there bro" did a sweet jump off a log in front of him, and sprinted to the finish. \:D
Crossed in 4:32 (damn poop stop!) and 15th OA out of 123 finishers. Lots of fast old guys and I was 5th or 6th in my AG.
What I'm really happy about is how I felt in the last miles and after the race. We went back to camp, I washed off in the river, then we went on a family hike. No soreness, no pain. I ran 4 miles on Sunday and 11 today. Gives me some confidence in my training for AC. Silver Rush 50 mile is coming up in 3.5 weeks, which will be another good fitness test.

Finish line shot courtesy Mrs. Ironmom.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/16 05:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As I said in the FB thread that's a great time man. Sounds like your body is fully hardened to the mileage (no homo).

I'm also a huge fan in getting the family involved in our races. Sounded like a great trip!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/13/16 05:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Kent. It is nice to have the whole family out there, but it's pretty rare since I don't feel like forcing them to get up early then sit around all day waiting. My daughters comment as soon as I crossed the line: "can we go now?"

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/27/16 11:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like everyone in this forum is either dead or getting fat. \:D

Update for me: had an 83 mile week with 18k feet of vert. Since school is out, 10k feet of that was done on the treadmill maxed out at 15%.

This weekend though I got up to the mountains and did back to back long runs on the Angeles Crest 100 course. Saturday it was 16 near the beginning of the race (in the morning), then last night I did 16 more but on the tail end. It was 91 degrees at 5pm when I started and still in the mid 80's at 8:30 when I finished.

Looking forward to the Silver Rush 50 miler in Leadville in 2 weeks...but still scared shitless about AC which is now less than 6 weeks away.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/30/16 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still here. Still running with the club. Averaging about 20 mile weeks.

Your photos on FB suggest some challenges along the course. Hoping for the best.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
06/30/16 11:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nothing changed for me. Biking and running a lot.

My left elbow somehow fucked itself and seems to get worse, so the pushing exercises are suffering a bit. I'm not sure what to do because even when I take it easy, it doesn't improve.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
06/30/16 12:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Haven't done shit since April due to renovations on the house, that's my primary exercise at the moment. No bike, run, or weights \:\|

Weight is same, will try to get out on the bike this weekend though.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/06/16 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

update:
training falling off the wagon a bit overall since my last tri of the year last month where I scored my first DNF. Had a week of vacation that was supposed to include a ~8k vert hike but thunderstorms got in the way.

first marathon in 3 weeks and I havent gone over 13/14 miles in a long run since like Feb? lol. I dont even want to look...

I'm oddly confident I'll be ok tho/no walking. The 18'ers I've done I've usually felt fairly strong near the end. Of course, the real shit show is past 20 they say and I'm a complete newb. Well I'm planning on doing 1 or 2 tops in the 16-18 mile range and then having a nice 2 week taper.

Got my wave # and start time [wave 5 of 8 lol slow], so I guess it's comforting to know I'm starting in the back half. Shouldnt have the feel of being constantly passed I guess :p

Maybe I'll just keep the 4:00 pace group in sight, but I dunno. Kinda hoping to just survive. Roughly I'm targetting 1:58 for the first 1/2 [has 2/3 the elevation] and 1:55 for the back half, to come in around 3:53. Plan B is to sneak under 4:00, plan C is just to not walk but finish on a yog after some kind of shit-show that must have happened around 19+


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/10/16 09:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The Leadville Silver Rush 50 miler kicked my ass today! Entire race above 10k feet, 4 climbs up to 12k feet, hot and dusty mining roads. I had a few low moments (mostly on the big climbs) but I managed to work through them and had a pretty strong last 10 miles. Kinda hard to imagine doing another 50 at AC next month, but this race indicates that my fitness is where it needs to be. I'm hoping that the fact that it only maxes out briefly at 9500 feet will be a bonus.

10:46
116/395 Overall
25/89 in my AG.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/11/16 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks like the phone was ready to die before you. Nice job man!

Stickaz - Just finish on two feet. Enjoy the suffering and go for time next go-around.


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/11/16 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I can't imagine running with my phone that whole way...

Hey Chris, what's your gear these days?

just starting at 0 again on running base and maintaining commuting base on bike. Got a trail series for fall, and might snag another century next month


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/16 12:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, I didn't carry my phone, I use my Garmin 920xt and upload to my phone and Strava app via Bluetooth.

As for the rest, in this race I wore my Altra Olympus 1.5's, Injinji socks, Patagonia Strider Pro shorts, Ultimate Direction AK vest with two Nathan contour bottles in the front, Patagonia trucker mesh hat, and a thin cotton t-shirt. That part was a test for AC. I've heard that a cotton shirt is great for hot races because you can get it wet and it will hold moisture and keep your skin cool for far longer than synthetics.


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/12/16 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

100% cotton or one of those poly/cotton blend shirts?

I've found pure cotton gets heavy as shit, even the lighter weaves. I recently picked up a sugoi shirt, and I'm not sure how it happens, but it always feels wet/cool. Even just picking it up...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/16 11:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
100% cotton or one of those poly/cotton blend shirts?

I've found pure cotton gets heavy as shit, even the lighter weaves. I recently picked up a sugoi shirt, and I'm not sure how it happens, but it always feels wet/cool. Even just picking it up...


100% cotton. It's a nice form fitting and fairly short shirt so it doesn't seem to get too heavy. Since it will likely be in the mid 90's for a 40-60 mile stretch of the race, I'm willing to deal with a little extra weight if it helps even a little with dealing with that heat.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/16 11:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Shit, I end up a soaking mess no matter what I wear and that's shorter durations. If I wear something like cotton, once it gets wet and "bounces", it will chafe the nips.

My shirts are soaked by mile 3. I'm wearing shorts and a sleeveless workout shirt and I see guys running by me wearing a full hoodie with an undershirt and long pants and wonder how the fuck they can handle it.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/16 11:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

as a member of the 'heavy sweater' crew, I have no business in a 100% cotton shirt on a hot day, it's coming off and it will obliterate my nips also

however, I also dont try to run 100 miles in a clip


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/13/16 10:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I always bandaid my nips on long runs, so chafage isn't an issue.

I prefer to run shirtless as well, but I can't do that while wearing a pack like I will be at Angeles Crest. The idea is to keep the wetness on my skin and not let the wicking happen. I'll be carrying one bottle specifically for dousing myself. I'll have an ice bandana on as well. Fill at aid stations and let it melt and drain inbetween them.


Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/16 10:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We are going with the porn star plan.
Keep you wet, lubricated and excited.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/16 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running shirtless is so much better, but unless it's hot as hell out, I tend not to do it. I feel like a moron running down a busy street shirtless on a 70 degree day.

Even in winter, I'll run and be cold as hell and still soak my shirts.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/16 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Ampsman
We are going with the porn star plan.
Keep you wet, lubricated and excited.


Pacer aka fluffer.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
07/24/16 06:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On my regular circuit, I somehow managed to cycle into the middle of a race. Cop said something to me, couldn't hear, so ignored and kept going. In hindsight, I think she said I was going the wrong way. A few blocks later, I'm climbing a hill behind ten cyclists. Another cop at the top guiding me right, I laughed and said I'm not part off this, I'm going the other way.

Turns out there is a 50/100/165k race going on through my regular city, country, town route.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/26/16 04:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still here. Still running. Knocked out a 14 miler Saturday. Getting ready for the Spartan Beast in September.

Looks like I'm going to do another Ragnar Relay So Cal race with the club. Some of you ultra guys should seriously consider doing one...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Signed up for Javelina Jundred again this October. Looking for some redemption from my mental DNF last year. On the heels of a very successful Angeles Crest, I'm feeling pretty confident and may even shoot for that 20 hour finish ultrasignup has me predicted at. \:o

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/19/16 12:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^ Dude, congrats on getting into Boston!



Keeping this thread alive. Wrapped up a couple of events the last couple weeks. Santa Monica Classic 10K, and the Spartan Beast in Pala.

The Santa Monica Classic runs along most of the final 3 miles of the LA Marathon. About the first 3.7 miles is uphill before turning around to go back. Met up with a few members of the run club who are doing this as part of the Conquer LA challenge. It was a bit muggy but I really enjoyed the course. I think I placed around 210 overall and 20th in my AG.



I got suckered into doing another Spartan Beast with a friend who is really into these types of obstacle races. The course went around Pala Motocross Raceway and vicinity. They advertise a little over 12 miles. But participants who had GPS were claiming around 14-14.5. Lots of challenging obstacles with good variety between strength and endurance.

I felt much more prepared this time. Had a decent camelpack, supplies, and hand/arm/knee protection. And combined with my ongoing strength training, I was able to tackle most obstacles with a bit of effort. For me it was an awesome experience. Others... not so much. Ended up helping quite a few people on the course who were either dehydrated or cramping from lack of sodium. I wasn't really going for time... more to help make sure my friend finished in one piece lol. If I do this type of race again, I think I will need to focus more on grip strength. Another friend suggested working in more lifts/pulls using my own body weight.



Next race is the Rock n Roll Half Marathon followed by the Dana Point Turkey Trot. Then I kick up training for the Pasadena Half and LA Marathon next year. And cap it off with another Ragnar Relay in April.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
09/20/16 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



howd u do in the 10k /updating files \:D

me: I am wondering if I'm about to run a half on pure injury taper lol. been biking/swim/surfing a bit so maybe some cardio is still there. Might want to switch to the 10k option though. I presume if I do the SJ RnR half in 2 weeks it will go like the last 2 times I ran it:

somethings wrong, pace too fast for the conditions, hit the wall around mile 8/9, zero respect for the heat, be generally miserable till the end \:D

I'd like to do a 45:nn 10k or a 1:45-ish half should I be able to run it per Dr's advice/MRI results this week.

Preparing myself for an UBER short training week.
now-thurs: nothing
fri: easy 5k
Sat: inventory check, easy 5k
Sun: final long run lol-->10k easy
mo: swim
tues:bike+5k easy
wed: swim
thurs: either 5k @ 10K pace [~7:20/mi ish] or at half pace [~7:45/mi ish]
fri: 5k easy w/strides lol
sat: nada
Su: 'race'

^^might be too aggressive given if you include my 3-week marathon taper, I basically havent done any 'regular/normal' running since the 1st week of July lol

I'm probably just fooling myself as my prognosis will most likely be 'no run for u' \:\|

been rolling up my biking towards ~100 mpw and havent been having any ill effects as far as my hip goes that I can tell


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
09/20/16 09:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Kent. I'm excited to go back and am hoping we get some good weather.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of running fast again though. My body is nicely in tune with a 9ish minute pace which will hopefully serve me well at Javelina Jundred next month, but anything beyond that "run all day" pace seems like a lot of work, lol.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
09/20/16 11:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Stickaz - 47:15 I think. Not quite as good as the 44:xx PR from November.

I think you could do a 43-44 min 10K with a good few months of training (after nursing that injury of course). \:D


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
09/21/16 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

we'll see, I figure 44:59 is no problem at all with the races I've already recorded this year [outside shot at 43:nn imo], if it werent for taking nearly 2 months off at this point lol. also if my hip barks at me I'll probably just walk off course/DNF so theres that...

eg sore is ok, pain is not. after my treadmill 3 miler last night my butt is sore. I can live with that lol. I'll target 7:20/mi pace in the race and see what happens. Based on past results I'll actually have to start in wave 1 lol shocker [~3k participants], if I start in wave 2 or worse honestly there will probably be strollers 5 wide across the street and walkers and all that lol. It looks like the 10k goes at turkey trot speed

unfortunately I dont think I have a particularly good chance of running the entire 10k at that pace pain free, if it starts to be painful and not just sore I'll walk off. bleh. No way to really judge the likelihood of that happening...

I need to sneak in some mile repeats at 10k pace also as a tuneup... hmm


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
09/27/16 01:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update: survived a flat dirt trail run just now for a 6x800 workout with 60s walk breaks in between in 95* heat this afternoon, I haven't done any speed work since maybe early June I guess? I held 7:00/mi pace fairly easily although I was sweating pretty heavily and may have to burn those shorts

Cautiously optimistic that I won't be limping tomorrow morning, my hip feels totally normal. The only thing that 'hurt' on this test run was my quads which I take as a great sign

I wasn't trying to improve my fitness any, just five days out I wanted to know if my body could tolerate my proposed 10k pace. Looks good IMO

I'll probably back off to 7:20/mi for the actual race tho and look to negative split the back half as I'm rolling in fairly undertrained and haven't worked hard on my feet since July

But felt good to be able to move a little bit without any pain ESP given the oppressive heat. Race day on Sunday supposedly will be 30* cooler Wewt, but still a little above optimum but I'm not complaining..

CN: seems like I can tolerate
A) running hard/'fast'
B) I seem to not have any lingering pain
C) kinda stoked that I might be able to get back into running at least 10-15 mpw here fairly soon


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/16 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

my 10K results

damn I suck. 47:31

22:38 first 5k, 'brought it home' in 24:53, including a :25s walk through the water stop at mile 4.2

7:09
7:06
7:28
8:04
8:08
7:50
7:54 [final 0.2]


not sure what to say, it's a PR lol, and I'm not as fast as I wish I was. This was my first experience running in wave '1' of anything like this [towards the back] and I ended up 'locking' on to runners I had no business locking on to. I wanted to target 7:20/mi pace or so with possibly a 7:30 first mile followed by negative splits but it wasnt in the cards.

So I have yet another datapoint that suggests I cant really extrapolate from my 5K PR to longer races my 5K PR suggests I could run 6:57--7:03 for a 10k, I was thinking maybe that means I could go 7:20-ish if not a hair faster, and I failed to even execute on that aggressive plan by getting caught up w/faster runners. Oh well lol.

I'm still quite retarded as I'm actually injured and my pre-race plan involves NAISD's and icepacks, as well as post-race [hip]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/16 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great time. Congrats!!

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/03/16 04:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, not much wrong with that. Solid time for sure.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/05/16 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks, I guess I just wish I was able to 'stick to the plan' and pace properly [7:20?], oh well. I kinda wanted to risk it tho so I guess I deserve it.

anyways: I'm changing my mind again. I think I need to stop running and just do ellipitcal or something for now. Something aint right.

Starting PT. Did some foam rolling before/after a light treadmill 3.3 miler at like 8:57/mi pace and stuff wasnt feeling good. Hard to pin down, but possibly in/around my problem area. I had also biked hard that day and my quads still hurt from sundays 10k. Anyways I guess I'll take another 6 weeks off or something. Gah. Kinda concerned I'm making things worse for myself.

sadface.jpg


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/06/16 06:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Strength training should help.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/10/16 04:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

jogged 4.5 miles last week \:D

this week I guess I'll go with what PT/my doc suggests which is probably either:

a)nothing, or
b)very little

was thinking 30-40 minutes of easy treadmill T, Th, and Sa or Su I guess
seems to be the only thing that doesnt leave me sore.

yay. lol


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
10/11/16 02:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

WOW...been on here all this time and only just noticed the fitness forum.

Currently waiting to hear if I got lucky in the London Marathon ballot, have already registered to run Brighton Marathon next April as well.

I should hear from London Marathon today

I Only started running/fitness training in April this year and loving it.
I'm cycling, running and doing bootcamp...loving the improvements.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/11/16 10:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

welcome!

I had PT last night, felt great during [plus the therapist was a HOT chick, damn]

anyways my hip got sore in the place I wish it didnt [my injury] after.

Eg, typical quackery is my fear here. Oh well, learned a bunch of cool hip stretches and got objective feedback that regardless of whatever my injury is/is not, my hip flexibility in specific is holding me back

/me stretches furiously


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
10/12/16 01:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got this email yesterday afternoon:


Full focus on Brighton Marathon now, without worrying about being able to do two within two weeks of each other.


Bootcamp was good last night, tight left hip flexor now though so stretching it ooff in office as we speak


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/16 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool, I managed a 5K treadmill last night after some stretches and a warmup, right about 9:00/mi pace and my HR was pegged in/around 122 [zone 1 I guess]

I take that as a good sign. Today its a little sore in the hip area, but I'm not limping. I dunno what to think lol. Maybe I'm slowly getting better. On the treadmill my hip flexor on the 'bad' side was making its presence known a little bit, but it didnt hurt or anything.

sigh. lol

thats cool you're entering a 'major' marathon, I am now leaning against a BQ attempt but I dont want to remove it from a possibility if I get over this hip thing. Of course to BQ I'd actually have to RUN a marathon again which I'm leaning against ever doing again at this point lol.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/16 05:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

After some internal debate...I think I'm going to go for another BQ at Boston in April. That means once I finish (and recover from) Javalina 100 in 2.5 weeks, it'll be back to the roads and *gasp* speedwork till March. I'm also thinking of signing up for my first road half in like 4 years and going for a PR at the Surf City half in Feb.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/12/16 06:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sweet.
the only thing I'm entering the rest of the year is a work-turkey trot 5 miler and a city wide 5k turkey trot lol


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
10/13/16 02:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sorry to ask guys...what is "BQ" ?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/16 10:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boston Qualifier. It's the time you have to run (depending on age and sex) in order to get into the Boston Marathon.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/16 12:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I feel like I'm coming back from having a stroke or car accident or something \:\(

feels like I'm learning how to run again. Different soreness, occasional pain, really strange. Injuries suck. I'm not even quite back to 10 mpw yet \:\|

I *could* run a solid 5k/10k at race pace right now I guess, but stuff just doesnt feel right. I dont think I'll be adding a 'long slow' run for a few months still


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/16 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think you should to sort out that injury before going back full time. I see a lot of runners try to power through these type of issues with ill consequences.

Take a break and live to run another day.


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/16 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've had good luck dealing with injuries by cycling more, foam rolling and lots of stretching. I've probably said that in this post already though.

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/16 03:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update: nearly fractured my wrist during PT yesterday lol from stuff like this (rotating a lot of body weight around on a wrist), didn't hurt until like 4am when I noticed I had zero pain free range of motion in my dominant hand

That was a fun urgent care visit. Now I also can't swim lol



chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
10/17/16 08:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Boston Qualifier. It's the time you have to run (depending on age and sex) in order to get into the Boston Marathon.


Ah makes sense now, thanks


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/16 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dont forget to subtract the 2-3 mins from the 'standard' to be assured of getting in lol [varies every year, is on a trend currently of tightening, mostly IMO due to fewer entries avail because of greater charity slots]

I'm a longshot as all fuck because I need to go 3:22--3:23 in my AG when I age up [but you can qualify like a year early to your next AG lol loophole], but my half PR [hilly/SF] is 1:47 so I obviously have to speed the fuck up as my marathon PR [well, just trying to finish] was a hair over 4H lol so I have a long way to go. That and being injured presently are not a good combo to get there. 2017 not looking good lol. Might be able to sneak a 3:3n:00 if the stars align for me next year and I can resume running where I left off pre-hip injury. That still leaves me a solid 10-15m off the requirements. Maybe 2018 lol?

This whole line of reasoning is SUPER optimistic of course. I demonstrate over and over whenever I try that my 1 mile, 2 mile, 5K 'speed' doesnt translate well to my 10k or half or full performances so I would have to figure out how to get much more mileage in I am sure to fix that issue, far more marathon specific training, threshold and long runs and all that that I actually cant do anymore $because_injured. Otherwise I seem to have no chance whatsoever as for instance my 5K is trending sub 20:00 which would suggest a BQ isnt a big deal but I'm really ~30+ minutes off from that goal


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/16 02:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Rumor is that they will be adjusting (tightening) qualifying times again in the next year or two.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/16 03:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I seem to be ~tolerating + ~progressing + ~slightly improving in my PT/rehab/treadmill light jogs [30-40 minutes about 3x /week] now

I seem to have muscle/soft tissue related tenderness [real mild, doesnt invoke a limp like before] on my 'bad' hip side but its migrated lower, like into the muscle area along the side of the hip but a couple inches below the bursa region I was afraid of. Seems related to my aggressive foam-rolling of the region which I'm going to slow down now as I think it isnt helping.

the general hip flexibility stretches DO seem to be helping however. Just not the ones that send me to urgent care for x-rays of my wrist that is..

Look out turkey trotters!!!11

I am going to try (sigh) and run a hard-ish 5K again this weekend. That was my goal last weekend too and it turned into mile repeats [happens a lot!]


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/16 04:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

not sure if recovered or really just not running much/at all

now that I've been skipping PT and have been stretching on my own a couple days a week it seems EVEN BETTER lol

7 or 8 miles jogged last week, [2 days] on like moderate /8:30 pace and no pain I can recall


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
10/25/16 01:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I Thought I'd incorporate burpees (full version: drop to full pressup then jump and clap hands above head) into my running on Saturday as I missed bootcamp on Thurs due to working late....10 burpees every 1k for 10k.

I Really enjoyed my 100 burpee 10k.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/16 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping this thread alive. I, the wife and a few run club friends will be doing the Rock n Roll LA Half this weekend. It was a cheap registration but it's a fun race with lots of runners in costumes.

Not sure if I'll break 1:50 as I haven't been doing a lot of longer runs. But expecting to have fun regardless.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/16 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck! Me i think im pushing my luck if i run on pavement at all and/or go over 3-4 miles...

Lividentity
(Major Member)
10/28/16 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just want to throw out a good luck to Ironmom at Javelina Jundred this year! We did it last year and we both bitched out at the 100k, he better go full hundo this year!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/16 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I just want to throw out a good luck to Ironmom at Javelina Jundred this year! We did it last year and we both bitched out at the 100k, he better go full hundo this year!


Thanks man! It was a tough day but I got my revenge! 22:57


SJP0tato
(Member)
10/30/16 05:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Lividentity
I just want to throw out a good luck to Ironmom at Javelina Jundred this year! We did it last year and we both bitched out at the 100k, he better go full hundo this year!


Thanks man! It was a tough day but I got my revenge! 22:57


Grats on killing it! Hell of a thing


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/16 08:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Saw the news on FB. Damn impressive.

Add me to Club PR. Despite a pit stop at mile 3 I scored a 1:44:35 at the Rock n Roll LA Half today.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/16 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

damn great work you guys ^^

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/16 02:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. Final results:

Overall: 420/7950
Div: 43/476
Gender: 351/3260

Splits:
1 - 8:17
2 - 7:58
3 - 9:30
4 - 7:59
5 - 8:07
6 - 8:00
7 - 7:52
8 - 7:38
9 - 7:50
10 - 7:12
11 - 7:31
12 - 7:40
13 - 7:20
13.1 - 6:49

It was muggy and crowded the first 4 miles. But once we hit downtown the breeze kicked in and I found my groove. Took a gel at Mile 7 and noticed I was passing runners that I had been following back at Mile 3 (when I had made a quick pit stop). At that point I was thinking I had a chance to snag a PR and went hard the last 6 miles.

Lots of rolling hills and one bad hill before Concert Hall. But overall a really fun course with lots of runners in costume. Was there with my wife and a few running friends which made the after-party that much better. \:D


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/16 08:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job Kent...you're steadily chipping away at those PR's!

Thanks for the kind words too. It felt REALLY good to cross that finish line. Not just to be done with the race, but to prove to myself that I could overcome the mental challenge of that course.


It was really, really hot. I was expecting it, but there was a good portion of the day (like 11-4) where it was just miserable. I did my best to manage it by draining two full bottles between each aid station, which were 4.5, 6.5, 6.5, and 4 miles apart each loop. I would also completely douse myself with ice water at every stop and fill my ice bandana as well. I had another one I started wearing under my hat and tried to keep that wet too.
No crew and no pacer, but I had set my chair and cooler up under a guys ex-up at the start finish area where I would stop for a few minutes to drain a bottle of sweet tea and wipe myself down with a wet wash cloth and grab a new supply of salt tabs and any snacks I might want.

At about mile 50 I felt a sharp bolt of pain in my left calf that immediately made it almost impossible to run. It was an "oh shit" moment for sure as it didn't want to go away by stretching or adjusting my form. It hurt pretty damn bad, but I limped my way to the next aid station and had a volunteer fill my sock with ice. I continued that till 80 where I finally let myself hit the Ibuprofen which took the edge off.

Finally about 4:30 the shadows started getting long and knew cooler temps were coming. Made my way through loop #3 only having to use the headlamp for an hour or so, then ditched my hat, bandanas, and changed into a clean shirt. Even being completely soaked at every aid station, that thing could have stood up on its own it was so stiff with salt! I did a good job hydrating and taking salt tabs though as I was peeing twice an houf of so and it was always clear.
Nutrition was good too, which is surprising as it's usually the first to go in the heat. I ate almost exclusively off the tables at the aid stations...basically whatever looked good. Chips, pizza, quesadillas, candy, salted potatoes. At mile 60 I started filling one of my handhelds with Coke. The steady drop of sugar and caffeine kept me feeling pretty good and awake. From miles 23-70 I listened to a Stephen King audio book which was great for passing the time. Saw lots of tarantulas and one gopher snake, heard lots of coyotes too. I had lots of good conversation with other runners too, which is always a nice break from all that alone time in your head.
At mile 80 I started my final loop, and even though I still had 20 miles, I could smell the damn barn. My plan was to power hold the mostly gentle uphill 10 miles, then hammer the downhill back to the finish and that's what I did. I passed tons of people, mostly during the power hiking stretches. I knew I had sub 24 in the bag, but knew going under 23 would be tight. I ran almost every step of
Of those last 10 miles and felt pretty damn awesome. Crossed the line in 22:57, a 5 hour 100 mile PR. I was 57th or so out of about 500 starters and 280 finishers.
Washed off with my Rinse Kit, climes in the back of the Flex and passed out for two hours before getting up, eating two pizzas, and packing the car. Had to stop at a rest area an hour outside Phoenix where I passed out for another hour and a half in the front seat before making it home.
Post race damage consists of a huge blister below my toes on my right foot, some sore shoulders and a totally fucked left calf that's majorly swollen and forcing to use a hiking pole as a cane to get around. My brother the doctor said I probably tore something and that lots of rest and ice is all I can really do.
Small price to pay for my badass new buckle!


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/31/16 08:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Late night critter sighting:

My Lawrence of Arizona look:
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Blister!


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/16 10:50 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Any of you guys deal with shin splints? Ive been doing my usual approaching my annual physical fitmness test (so nothing in comparison to you guys). On monday last week I got a wild hair (it was just a good day for wome reason) and went some (slow) 4-5 miles (compared to my usual 2-2.5).. went back out on wednesday and knew I fucked up. I ran through it then and another time or two before taking the weekend off. I ran again on monday and then tuesday but still a good amount of pain. Test is sunday, im not gonna run again until then.. see a DR or suck it up?

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11/02/16 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trail 1/2 this sunday. 1,580' of vert


Forecast is surprisingly dry, but wet the day before. Should be fun and messy.

I was hoping for 10 minute pace. But based on my last training run (10 miles, 5/10 effort, 1,110' and 9:40 pace), along with consistantly cracking 10min/pace while navigating/getting lost or doing 10min with more vert,etc. I'm feeling like 10 isn't that "hard" for an average pace.

I'm thinking I'm going to start out at 9:10. I'll plan on walking the steep hill at 9.9mi and 4mi and probably finishing in the 9:30 range.


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11/02/16 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh yeah, the course... it's shit



schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/16 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I thought shin splints requires like 6 weeks off even possibly crutches/wheelchair

These are microfractures


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11/02/16 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



No their the muscles on your shin getting whooped by your calves

I haven't had them in decades(knock on wood).
Best things:
toe raises
stretch teh shit out of your calves before running. (logic says heavy stretching weakens your muscles, that's good, You want your calves tired)
Basically you have to weaken the calve/strength the the shin muscles.

It's also a training thing. If your out of practice running your muscles don't sequence right(you see the same thing in strength training with beginner gains). So light repetitions can help your body learn to fire efficiently (in this case your shin muscle (tibialis) and your calf are probably firing at the same time slightly and the stronger calf wins and tears the overworked tiabialis


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/16 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fuck. I can still walk fine but I squatted down yesterday not thinking and was almost in tears when i stood up. Terrible timing.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/02/16 01:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea further googling suggests this is just a muscle/compartment syndrome thing most likely

this guy I started running with at work lately had the microfracture variety last year and was in a wheelchair \:\(

He's currently quite a bit faster than me tho and it's like nothing ever happened


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11/03/16 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Getting excited now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxHFpfFc12E


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
11/04/16 06:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Thanks man. Final results:

Overall: 420/7950
Div: 43/476
Gender: 351/3260

Splits:
1 - 8:17
2 - 7:58
3 - 9:30
4 - 7:59
5 - 8:07
6 - 8:00
7 - 7:52
8 - 7:38
9 - 7:50
10 - 7:12
11 - 7:31
12 - 7:40
13 - 7:20
13.1 - 6:49

It was muggy and crowded the first 4 miles. But once we hit downtown the breeze kicked in and I found my groove. Took a gel at Mile 7 and noticed I was passing runners that I had been following back at Mile 3 (when I had made a quick pit stop). At that point I was thinking I had a chance to snag a PR and went hard the last 6 miles.

Lots of rolling hills and one bad hill before Concert Hall. But overall a really fun course with lots of runners in costume. Was there with my wife and a few running friends which made the after-party that much better. \:D


Fantastic, great job


AE_Racer
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/16 06:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: AE_Racer
Fuck. I can still walk fine but I squatted down yesterday not thinking and was almost in tears when i stood up. Terrible timing.


Last ran Tuesday. No pain this morning, passed my apft \:\)


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11/06/16 03:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cracked 2 with sloppy mud, 1k+ of vert etc.
fuck yeah.
Beautiful course. Took one loud y pictures because dickhead.


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11/07/16 10:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Chip time: 1:59:36, reported 9:08 pace.
Strava has me at: 1:59:08 of moving time(maybe it missed some movement?)
And 1:58:02 "best effort" because Strava has me at 13.3mi.
GPS says 1,7680' of vert (course claims 1,580)

Course was great, a little more circling the campground than I would have liked to start(but it was through some nice rain forest), and the last .8 miles was designed by a sadist(just when you see the finish/start area, they divert you up a quick 100' hill and back down in the sloppiest mud of the course). But Overall amazing. The 5-6 miles along the river trail with the 10(?) waterfalls, and the 3 Under the falls paths was very cool. A couple spots the cut-outs under the cliffs were so short you had to stoop or at least stop running.

Though my GPS says the course was a bit long, which given the need to cross from side to side to dodge rocks/puddles wasn't too surprising.

I'm eyeballing the full distance next year (another 800' of vert, woo-hoo)
(also a 50k option).

Anyone looking for a WET trail run that highlights the terrain of the northwest subalpine and likes waterfalls should consider this one. (it's not just my endorsement, it's been well reviewed by some rags)


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/16 11:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

awesome. whats this magic progression from halves to fulls/ultras that I seem to be missing? /not trolling

something something power walk something something? is that why its no big deal?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/16 12:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work!

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11/07/16 01:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: stickaz_duex
awesome. whats this magic progression from halves to fulls/ultras that I seem to be missing? /not trolling

something something power walk something something? is that why its no big deal?


1. too much confidence
2. ...
3. Finish (or DNF) an ultra

Much of it is based on my last 3 halves have been done with very little training.

Add in my recent 42 miles of feet-time across a weekend.

I've also finally learned my "forever" pace via biking/the century.

As a result I'm increasingly confident I know what I can do in 6-8 hours of speed-walking. Now true Ultra-runners here will laugh/shame, but the fact is I'm slow. I've always been slow. Any ultra I will do, will be slow.

But the flip-side is, most estimate are that you can add 1-2 miles(or 10%) a week of base. I completed a respectable(by my standards) pace with 10-12 of base. Just no speed-work, just lots of easy/slow miles to train the legs and using the bike for the HR/cardio training

Per Chris's notes, I should go for a run today and see what I can do. I'm timing limited, but I'm sort of looking forward to running honestly(I say that now, an hour before time to run). Only a few aches, and only muscular.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/16 01:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thats cool, back before I became a cripple I'd throw a mid distance run in the day before long run day in the months before my first marathon, no idea if it helped

Like do a 6-7 day before your LSR day (which I can't do anymore lol)


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11/07/16 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the difference is you RAN your full with the intent of time.

I'm approaching an ultra like a bike century. That anyone can do it, and even enjoy it, if they approach is as an all day enjoyment and not a "race". It's still a lot of work, but it's not only about giving it you're all.

I missed taking pictures during my 1/2. I plan to take a lot during my next event, because seriously the place I plan to go are beautiful.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/16 11:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

had a good treadmill 'run' yesterday lol. I'd almost call it a breakthrough? Perhaps some of these hard-ish 5ks I've been running are helping improve my LT pace or something

5 miles total, with 4.5 @ 8:00 flat at 1* incline on the treadmill. I was loafing, and HR confirmed it.

like 121, 122, 126, 124, 131, 134, 131, 133, 131 recorded HR at 5 min intervals

Like 2 months ago when I'd do this my HR was a solid 10 beats higher. Of course it was a bit cooler in there this time and I wasnt sweating like an absolute pig [just a normal pig, I was toweling off about every 60-120s heh]

side note: dude next to me was going just under 6:00/mi pace for about 2 miles. impressive. Was kinda fun watching him suffer lol, he was killing himself. I was just like.... ah.... so easy heh

putting the member-berries on: I remember when it was a huge deal to just be able to run [2] miles on a treadmill at 8:00/mi pace. Wewt

In my current restricted weekly mileage, I'm looking to do a bit more 'quality' miles and it looks like speeding up all over the place I guess is a good way to do it.

Seems like [2] 5 mile treadmill sessions a week and a hard 5K on the weekend are pretty tolerable on my hip these days.


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11/16/16 07:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

If you're restricted I'd still be cautious about "quality" work-outs.

It wasn't just 26.2 miles that hurt you, but trying to race 26.2 miles.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/18/16 05:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea, I think I found my muscolo-skeletal limit tho in that 26.2*

even tho aerobically I was loafing, I was up/about/over/and through my ability to absorb punishment on the pavement apparently

so my takeaway is that training for a marathon by ignoring it and just following your half program and throwing in one long run >13.1 in the 6 months leading up to your 1st marathon is actually a recipe for disaster. Regardless of pace. This probably doesnt surprise anyone. Well it did surprise me. I figured I magically had the leg strength/musculoskeletal-ness to run a 26.2 based on my perceived aerobic capacity.

nope. //woops


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/18/16 06:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Beginnng of the year is already filling up fast!
January: San Diego 50 mile
February: Bkack Canyon 100k in AZ (my Western States qualifier for 2017)
March: Way Too Cool 50k (my 5th year in a row)
April: Boston

I'll find out on Dec 5th if I get into Western States, and although it's my 3rd year in year in the lottery with 4 tickets, my odds are still less than 20%. \:\( Once I get that "no" I'll plan the rest of my year.


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11/23/16 12:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: sticky_ducks
yea, I think I found my muscolo-skeletal limit tho in that 26.2*

even tho aerobically I was loafing, I was up/about/over/and through my ability to absorb punishment on the pavement apparently

so my takeaway is that training for a marathon by ignoring it and just following your half program and throwing in one long run >13.1 in the 6 months leading up to your 1st marathon is actually a recipe for disaster. Regardless of pace. This probably doesnt surprise anyone. Well it did surprise me. I figured I magically had the leg strength/musculoskeletal-ness to run a 26.2 based on my perceived aerobic capacity.

nope. //woops


I think I'd add 2 points:
regardless of loafing there is a difference in 4mph and 6.5mph. Walking, even fast is lower impact.
Yes, that's not enough miles.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/23/16 04:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I guess. I'll add 1 pt:*

*running sucks


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/16 02:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Been keeping active with marathon training and a few 10Ks. Had Turkey Trot on Thanksgiving. Then got 2nd in my age group this weekend at the Riverside 10K.

Next up is the Pasadena Half, Oceanside 15K, then LA Marathon.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/16 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

wewt nice. I'm back [sorta?] and just seem to have general soft-tissue funny business in my hip now post run, and kinda glute-focused (???) as far as I can tell.

at 15 mpw, see <zero> reason to push this up any higher right now, doing [2] treadmill sessions and a track workout focused on 5k stuff


*edit:
Signed up for CIM lol [26.2] in 2017**


**against my better judgement


McCavityCat
(Post Master Sr)
12/27/16 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Runners help, Never been a runner at all. Have played sports with a focus on soccer my whole life and at time have been match fit (full 90 minute game running approx 3-6 miles depending on the game) but i have never ran for any sort of distance and I am god awful at it.

My two areas i have questions are #1. Whats the best way to get into it? My thought process is to run 1/2 mile, walk a half. And then increase that ratio till i can run 3 miles or so without collapsing.
#2 When i do try to run the same speed for extended periods of time, whether its on the slow or fast, my outside shin muscle (anterior tibialis muscle?) Gets a massive pump and gets extremely tight only 2-3 minutes into running. This goes away fairly quick when i bring it back down to a walk to stop running.
I have tired getting some stretching in and doing different types of stretching to work it out but doesn't seem to matter. My flexibility/elastability is pretty good.
I am willing to bet my form and how my foot strikes the ground is absolutely horrid as I have only ever been focused on quick bursts and maximum performance from runs no more than 100 yards. I also do not run with any special running shoe as any running I do is done with a workout. Currently using a Nike solid sole training shoe, similar to the Nike Metcons.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/28/16 12:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Galloway run/walk method sounds like you're unterested in?

Otherwise start slow and stay there imo, 2 miles, couple tumes a week, gradually move up

No fucking clue whatsvup with your shin man, sounds like somethung to figure out. Im in/out of PT and something always hurts after a quality workout for me but this sounds different.

Also it sounds like you need to slow the fuck down for now

Sidenote: taking another ~3 weeks off to rehab my hip lol


McCavityCat
(Post Master Sr)
12/29/16 01:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks, ill look into that method. I guess i should say im not currently out there banging out running till exhaustion. Just things i notice when i do run for extended periods. The shin thing is very strange, its definitely muscle related and not tendon/bone. My guess is it has to do with how i push off with my feet and causes the flex of that muscle and the repetition without rest is what its just not used to.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/16 12:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea who knows, i still say PT should help

That said the 'frustrating' part of running imo is all the injury/pain/muscoloskeletal shit you always havecto deal with when a little older/newb/heavier

Whatever your muscoloskeletal weakness is, running will find it.
I thought i had a lower back problem w/runs over about an hour, then i had to take 4 weeks off on a knee thing, then i had actual achilles tendinitis on my left achilles for like a year before i realized that pain wasnt 'ok', and now i have bursitis on my right hip and i am banning myself from pavement running for probably all of 2017 which probably is a good idea anyways

And its not like a run a lot, im getting this stuff at 15-25 mpw, peaked at 30 lol. Am on the wrong side of 40 tho and heavier than most runners (190+).

So i thought running was only about following a program and nailing your paces and HR zones and key workouts but nowadays i think all that matters is injury prevention/recovery. If you can remain injury free then you can make conditioning gains, but not until then.

Probably a PT experienced with runners can help evaluate where you are, YMMV. My PT guy tells me to back off whenever my hip even bothers me a little the day after a run, including taking a complete week off or more.

Some older runners w/injury history may need complete rest as part of a normal cycle, like one week in a month completely at rest, or one week in six or whatever is required.

Like i want to be able to handle some 50-55 mpw peak weeks but i will have to get through this bursitis first.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/01/17 11:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ended the year with 2,645 miles and 260,000 feet of vertical gain.
I ran three 50k's (pr'd the distance), two 50 milers (pr'd the distance) and two hundred milers (pr'd the distance). I also got a little fatter, but Im convinced its helped me stay healthy and injury free. Here's hoping 2017 will be just as fun.

Calendar so far:

January: San Diego 50m
Feburary: Black Canyon 100k
March: Way Too Cool 50k
April: Boston Marathon
May: Wild Wild West 50m


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/17 02:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work Chris. A little pudge is good for the soul.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/17 02:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: McCavityCat
Thanks, ill look into that method. I guess i should say im not currently out there banging out running till exhaustion. Just things i notice when i do run for extended periods. The shin thing is very strange, its definitely muscle related and not tendon/bone. My guess is it has to do with how i push off with my feet and causes the flex of that muscle and the repetition without rest is what its just not used to.


I agree with Stickaz' recommendations. Also, try toe taps for the sensitive shins. You can do standing up but this video explains it in basic terms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66r_kWvgwUo


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01/03/17 02:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've gotten a pumped feelign in my shins.

Most likely it could lead to shin splits. It's probably neuromuscular, your body is still working on timing shin contraction vs calf contraction and at some point you're working both muscles in direct conflict. This isn't efficient/productive, and ultimately the shin muscles lose. i.e if you run through it you'll probably develop shin splints.

I'd recommend continuing the run/walk method to "build up a base" until your body has gotten used to running again. Run a little slower and try to emphasize light steps, and relaxing your legs, and eventually our bodies are pretty good at figuring out what's "wrong" with practice.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/17 08:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im going to start being 'that' guy i think and will work this stuff in now instead of just stretches.
http://www.runnersworld.com/workouts/meb-keflezighis-5-drills-to-make-you-a-better-runner/slide/4

Lol


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/17 10:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I haven't done a single stretch or drill in the last 5 years.

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01/10/17 11:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You also don't spend 45 hours a week at a desk. There's lots ways that's been shown to be unhealthy.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
01/10/17 04:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I ran 20 miles on my treadmill the other night. \:\|

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/17 11:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

impressive. I'm thinking about a way to get a 10 miler in without being banned from my gym. Thinking a 5 miler, hide/water break. Sneak back in, shirt swap.. second 5 miler

side note: my 1-leg leap game is weak af, lol. its hillarious. I'm basically a damaged person trying to rehab at this point


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/17 12:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
You also don't spend 45 hours a week at a desk. There's lots ways that's been shown to be unhealthy.

It was mostly a comment about my stubbornness to do it...as I know it could only help this aging body of mine. \:\)


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/11/17 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've found I have far more similarities than differences with the '50+ masters runners training thread' of like 1800 pages on letsrun. It's kind of hillarious really, all the discussions about foam rolling, what happens to be hurting that day.... getting a compensatory injury after trying to rehab for the original one [lol that one is dear to my heart]

kudos to those that arent nearly broken all the time lol


SJP0tato
(Member)
01/15/17 10:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well I ran the Phoenix RnR today... kinda.

Injury knocked my training plan way down for a PR, so I've just been taking it easy the past weeks and figured I'd skip any kind of PR attempt and go for a 3:30-3:40 finish.

Well about 3-4 days ago, some weird hip pain showed up, and didn't really go away in time for the race. I knew I was in trouble around mile 2, but stuck with the 3:30 group until a little after mile 5 when it turned into a full slog. At mile 8 or so, I was just hoping I could do anything to finish at all.

What followed was 18 of some of the most painful/soul grinding miles I've done... but I refused to DNF for whatever reason. Whatever's wrong with my hip threw my gait way off, which cascaded into all kinds of problems.

Glad I finished, but I'll definitely be limping around the next few days.

https://www.strava.com/activities/833196253


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/17 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way to gut it out man.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/17 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My 50 mile race in San Diego got cancelled on Saturday because of all the rain they got in the days before the race. The ranger and RD were concerned for the health of the trails so they called it. They've offered a rescheduled race for Feb 4th, which I'll take, but I'm dropping down to the marathon since I have Black Canyon 100k 2 weeks later.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
01/16/17 06:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn man hope you're OK. I've got a hip thing going on too and I've promised myself I'll walk off course if I feel it in a race this year (OK maybe not a 5k). Hope your recovery goes well..

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/17 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Geez SJPotato... way to stick it out but hope you're nursing that hip.

I thought I'd update this thread since it's been a while. I ran the Pasadena Half a few weeks back in pouring rain (a first for me). Ended up doing a decent time despite the crazy weather. 1:49:xx I think.

Also, now hitting the full 20 in marathon training and things seem to be feeling good. Didn't really have a goal in mind except to hit under 4 hours again. To be honest, the training schedule has been a good way to keep me off the holiday binge lol. We did 12 last week and are supposed to do 14 this week, followed by 22 the following week. But I might split it up and do a couple 20 milers. Still doing tempo runs during the weekdays to keep the speed up. Averaging around 35 miles a week.

LA Marathon in 6 weeks followed by Ragnar in April.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/17 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way to put in the work Kent!


I had a decent day at the rescheduled San Diego 50 miler on Saturday, but opted to do the marathon instead since I have the Black Canyon 100k next weekend.
It was a smaller field, with 70 starters. The morning started out beautiful with some marine layer to keep things cool, but not too cold. The course is an out and back that's mostly flat with just one big climb and descent in each direction. I settled into a nice pace that was in the 8:30 range, with no real goal other than to run smart and efficiently and try to come in under 4 hours. I had just a handheld that I refilled twice, had 3 cups of Coke and about 5 Swedish Fish and that was it. Felt good almost the whole race, with only the slightest signs of cramping in the final miles.
Counting people ahead of me at the turnaround I was in 12th. Over the next few miles I picked off 3 people, and the final one with a mile to go to grab 8th overall. Time was 3:55.
Pretty happy with how I felt...and no soreness the next day. Despite my lack of mileage in the last 2 months I'm feeling good about my 3 races in the next couple months. If I can get in some speedwork I may even be able to go sub 3:30 at Boston.


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
02/10/17 04:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Little update as I'm closing in on 1 year since starting running.

I managed my furthest distance the weekend before last....15miles
Aiming for 18miles this weekend

I'm doing my first Marathon in April, that I'm feeling positive about.

Have a good weekend all of you.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/17 01:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cool! The one thing I wish I did was more 15-18 milers en route to my first marathon. I did one and perhaps that is why I spent 6 months with an injury to my hip \:D

I did a 20 miler like 3 weeks out (which sucked, very discouraging lol) and that was it, otherwise my long runs were all halves until you go back to feb (5 months out) o so where I got a pair in the 15-18 range before having a mental breakdown on running lol TMI

I think consensus regarding the minimum 'safe' mpw to have an injury free marathon is like 35... Which of course I also got nowhere near (peaked at 30), really I had 20 mpw avg the 6 months leading up to it

Also I believe I'm more fragile than most, YMMV


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/21/17 03:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

13:16 at the Black Canyon 100k this past Saturday. Really happy with my time considering the rain, wind, mud and overall miserable conditions.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/23/17 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a super important update:

this will be my third week in a row of hitting 25 mpw \:o

I appear to have no lingering/ill effects from ramping up from ~5-10 or so the last 6 months post hip injury**

**knocks furiously on wood

since I never really went above 25 much last year, I think I'll stay here a while. Maybe sneak out to 30 with mostly easy stuff but thats it


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/01/17 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work Stickaz.

chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
03/03/17 03:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update:

New distance PB of 20miles, it was horrible...I loved it
New PB for Half Marathon 2:17.
New PB for 1mile 6:55
New PB for 5k 22:21
New PB for 10k 55:52

Looking good for my first Marathon in April


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/17 04:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

solid. your 5K time seems to be the best on that list.... might want to focus on it... just my humble $0.01...

chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
03/06/17 01:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm focusing on distance work until after the Marathon on April

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/17 10:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

marathons are terrible! resist the urge to step up imo

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/17 07:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I majorly overestimated how recovered I was only two weeks out from Black Canyon 100k, but I wasn't about to miss my 5th straight Way Too Cool 50k. Also developed a nice little cold right before the race, but wasn't going to let that stop me.

Took the first 8 mile loop pretty easy as I usually do since there's almost a thousand people starting the thing and after the first mile and a half of road, it dumps onto pretty narrow single track and it's a conga line.

After the first aid station and loop, so caught an old friend of mine emerging from a potty break in the bushes, and we ended up running the next 6 or 7 together since she was feeling like shit and I was enjoying the company. Left her to lube up at an aid station and focused on finishing thevflat stretch along the river as smooth as possible before starting the climbing back up to the return trails home.
At mile 21 or so the wheels started falling off a bit. Plenty of energy, but the legs just wouldnt turn over. I ALWAYS cramp at this race (something about the runnability mixed with the steep climbs) but this time I was fighting off some big ones in my quads and hamstrings.
At the last aidcstation at mile 25 my friend Jodie caught me and I basically did everything I could to hang with her till the end and we crossed together.
5:19 finish time, my slowest at this race and a full 40 minutes slower than my PR here last year, but I'm still happy that I was able to gut it out without getting too down about it.

Time to rest up a bit (while still keeping my streak going) for Boston on 4/16.

Good news is that I've likely secured a pacing gig at Western States this June.


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
03/07/17 02:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sounds brutal, awesome job and well done.

Great little write-up, I'm just over a month away from my first Marathon now.
The more I can read about longer distance races the better.

All the best for Boston


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/17 10:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man...you'll do great in your race. For your first, it's all about those long runs, so if you're already at 20, you'll have a great day out there.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/17 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Solid performance Chris. Way to tough it out.

SJP0tato
(Member)
03/08/17 08:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I majorly overestimated how recovered I was only two weeks out from Black Canyon 100k, but I wasn't about to miss my 5th straight Way Too Cool 50k. Also developed a nice little cold right before the race, but wasn't going to let that stop me.


Nice work man!
It's rough going into it when it feels like so many things are already against you before mile 1, kickass for stepping up and getting it done anyways.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/17 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welp, my 4 months of marathon training is coming to a close. LA this Sunday, followed by Ragnar a few weeks later.

Just hoping to survive uninjured.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/17 03:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

good luck! guessing it wont be quite as surface-of-the-sun conditions as usual?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/17 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. I'll provide a proper update when I have time. But in short, I was malnutritioned for the first 16.5 miles. Fell in and out of consciousness from mile 3-10. It was so bad I nearly called it quits at the halfway point. But looking back I'm glad I stuck it out.

My slowest and toughest marathon to date. 4:37:55.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/17 03:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

JFC! it's ok to tap out on a bad day man!

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03/21/17 03:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^taps out on track 5km training sessions

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/17 03:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"...fell in and out of consciousness in the LA marathon but soldiered on...."


\:\| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| :|:| \:\|

That said I hear the medical tents are pretty awesome [free massage, etc]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/17 04:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For the record, I never really faded to the point that I couldn't keep a line. I had lost total awareness of where I was or what was being said around me... by mile 3. The only time I've had that happen is maybe the last mile or two of my first marathon, or a really hard training run. Never, ever in the beginning of a race.

I'll save the rest for proper write-up. But thanks for the kudos. \:\)


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/21/17 05:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Way to gut it out Kent. We learn more from race experiences like that than we do from the PR's where nothing goes wrong.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/22/17 12:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Chris. I have a couple minutes so I'll jot down some random thoughts about this weekend.

Leading up to the marathon, I was feeling pretty good. I still had some congestion from the flu a few weeks back. But nothing I thought would hold me back. Got plenty of rest Thursday and Friday. Did my 2 mile run Saturday. Got a late start to LA to pick up my race bib. And was due in Riverside later that day for a friends gathering. The traffic and hectic pace of the day screwed up my rest and meal plan. But I ate OK around 6 PM. As I found out later, it wasn't enough.

I got home late after our friends gathering. Slept for 1-2 hours. Got up and had my typical fruit and yogurt. Headed to Santa Monica. Felt a bit hungry so I ate a protein bar and a little more fruit. Started the race like I normally do, settling in to a comfortable 8:50-9 mile pace.

By mile 2 I could tell something was wrong. My legs had difficulty turning over. My mood was getting sour. And my awareness was fading fast. At the time I had no idea what was wrong. Maybe a bit of sickness left over. Maybe congestion making things tougher than usual. I tried toughing things out for a few miles. No improvement. Still fading, now slowing to a 9:15 pace.

By Mile 4 I knew I was in serious trouble. Passed up by everyone around me including the 4 hr pacer (almost missed them too, despite the crowd being right next to me). I began reflect on what I could have done wrong. Training was good. Rest was good, despite not getting much on Saturday. I figured I had eaten enough.

Given all this, I figured I'd try to take an extra gel and some Gatorade at the aid station. Started feeling better, a little more aware. Then faded back to a slump after 1-2 minutes. Mood was horrible too. Repeated this strategy at the next aid station, and the next. Then I finally figured out by Mile 7 that I was probably in a major calorie deficit. Continued to try and get ahead of it. But I figure I was burning more than I could take in.

By mile 8 I had slowed to around 11-12 minute miles. Wasn't paying attention to GPS, music, crowd - nothing. Just the pavement 4-5 feet in front of me. I had no idea where I was on the course. Just trying to get one foot over the next. Things were progressively getting worse. And at that point, knowing I had another 17 miles to go, I abandoned all hope of finishing the marathon either by running or walking. So my strategy changed from "how to finish," to "how the heck to I get back to my car." That resulted a VERY rough 4-5 miles.

Somewhere along Mile 12, I figured there would be an aid station and shuttle at the half marathon relay point (Mile 13) where runners swap out. So I just focused on making it there so I could get a ride back to my car. Let me tell you... when you're in this state of low blood sugar, for this long, you become someone else entirely. This is a full chemical breakdown in how the brain processes thoughts and emotions. Everything was negative, impossible, hopeless, worthless... you name it, I thought it. Definitely the lowest point of the race.

Just past mile 13 I saw the corral exchange. I saw the first aid tent, shuttles, and a spot where I could sit down and recoup for a bit. I slowed to a walk on the side of the road and got within 10 feet of the exit, ready to sit down and take the first shuttle back (it was already loading some of the relay runners who'd finished). It was at that point I realized, for the first time during this miserable race, that walking was getting me to feel ever-so-slightly better. I stopped, pondered, and decided I'd continue walking a bit to see if things would improve. Worst case, I felt like I could walk back if things got worse again.

My strategy at that point was simple. Walk, eat, drink... repeat. Got to the mile 14 aid station. Drank nothing but Gatorade the next several miles. Grabbed oranges, pretzels, red vines... anything I could find on the course to scarf down. Mile 15... a little better. Mile 16... better.

By the middle of mile 16 I was feeling like I might try to run again. It sucked. Legs were stiff. Calves were hurting. And I could feel excessive fatigue in my right hip extending all the way down to my heel. But I kept running a bit. Took a single ibuprofen to see if I could minimize distractions. Things got a little better.

By Mile 17 I was feeling around 60%. I ran easy. I walked through the aid stations. I kelp eating and drinking as much as I felt comfortable doing. But the key turning points in the race were two mini aid stations - one serving Dr Pepper, and the other serving beer. Finally, by Mile 18, my mood lightened a little. And I got back into a 10 minute mile. Continued to walk through each aid station, but ran comfortably. And I began to run a little faster each mile.

By Mile 23 I was feeling around 75%. Stopped by my run club's aid station. Had a brief conversation with the group about what happened. They all agreed it was malnutrition and possibly fatigue from overnight. And now that I knew what was going on, I felt I had some my groove back. Completely opposite of what most marathoners go through. I left the Club tent, feeling pretty good, and kicked into high gear, darting in & out of a visibly faded crowd.

Those last three miles were amazing. Feet were heavy. Legs sore. But I was passing everyone, holding 7:45-8 minute miles the final 5K. I crossed feeling strong, a little loopy, and glad that I had refused to give in. Perspective is a b*tch though. Everything inside me told me to quit. And to be honest, I probably should have. Could have passed out on the course or done serious damage to my body. But in the end I finished both the marathon and the Conquer LA challenge (10K, half, marathon).

4:37:55 was the official time. And with all the training I did, I might turn June's Half Marathon into a full. Regardless, a great learning experience. One I never plan to repeat. And I am all the better for it.

Thanks for reading.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/17 11:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn Kent...sounds like a shit show of the highest magnitude! Sorry you had to experience that. I guess the bright side is that every race from here on out you can think "at least I don't feel as bad as LA 2017!" \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/17 12:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. You know me, I try not to exaggerate things or act like a b*tch. It was quite simply, a tough race.

Funny too, your words were nearly verbatim from other experienced runners in the club. The race (good or bad) will culminate into experiences that last a lifetime.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/17 11:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Run streak 2017 is still going strong. 533 miles YTD.

Boston is a little over 3 weeks away. I may move back a few corrals at the start.


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03/24/17 11:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sounds bad enough I might have consider pulling a stickaz. Nice job toughing it out

I'm happy to have cracked 100 already.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/24/17 01:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

finish a marathon or a 70.3, then get back to me. Have fun in boston ironmom... if I ever qualify I'd just treat it like a victory-lap lol

I've had several half races where I've noticed that my pace was too aggressive and just held out as long as I could until the inevitable. No big deal. Basically that's every SJ rnr half for me. It will be hot, I will try to PR, I will hit the pain wall at mile 9 and struggle in, no big deal. See you next year with the exact same approach

if I ever have an experience like Design is describing I'd have torn my bib off by mile 3 and be patiently waiting for the beer line to open. Way more to lose than gain imho. Maybe I'm a little sensitive as I spent 6 months after my first [which was easy as fkuc until like mile 25.1] marathon wondering if I'd even be able to run a 5k again , in fact, for several months or so I figured that was the new reality for me


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/24/17 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

"maybe"

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/17 10:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

60 mile week with no races. Weeeee!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/17 10:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Crazy.

chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/03/17 06:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Monday at the start of the week of my first Marathon, it all feels VERY REAL right now.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/17 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^good luck! hope you're doing enough mpw [35+?]

new shiny half PR for me, 1:43 [former PR was last years SF RnR at 1:47:mid, which had way more hills ofc, but was cool af/perfect temps]
I went out only ~:15-:20s over my current 10K PR lol [went out in 47:45 or so 10k] and held on more or less. I was expecting to be able to handle 7:30 pace in the final 5k but obviously didn't. Although the temps were cool [60s] the direct sun/dehydration were getting to me. Plus to be honest I think it was an aggressive pacing decision and really represents me having probably gone out a hair too fast and then simply paying for it in the back half. Still if it was overcast/not direct sun I feel like I could have gone much faster in the back half.
But my right hammy started to twinge about a half a mile before the finish line and as I closed the race/sped up a bit it was getting a little worse. I chock this up to not enough long runs and my 6 month layoff last year. OK it was possibly just dehydration related/dunno.

For fueling I used [1] cliffblox with the 2x/caffeine, carried my smallest water bottle and used the last [3] water stops only as I was running out of water [just tossed it in the bottle and went]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/17 03:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work man. Solid time!

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/03/17 11:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: y2blade
Monday at the start of the week of my first Marathon, it all feels VERY REAL right now.


Go out and enjoy the payoff of all that training. When you hit the wall around 18-21 just tell yourself there is no wall and it'll be over before you know it.


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/04/17 03:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: y2blade
Monday at the start of the week of my first Marathon, it all feels VERY REAL right now.


Go out and enjoy the payoff of all that training. When you hit the wall around 18-21 just tell yourself there is no wall and it'll be over before you know it.


Thank you, there is no wall


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/10/17 02:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Brighton Marathon was awesome..finished in the 7500 out of 20604 runners with a time of 4:44mins. Top half of my age group 40-44 and 5400 male out of 12494

The run was great, lovely sunny day..lots of drink stations and run through shower points plus residents with hoses and water sprayers so it was no problem.


A really enjoyable experience, I'm feeling very proud of what I've achieved after being, in the words of my PT "This guy a year ago was in terrible shape and fitness (sorry mate) but has completely turned it around!"


If I can do it, anyone can.

Set a goal, smash it, repeat


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/10/17 09:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man....sounds like it was a great experience for you! That's the way everyone should approach their first.

chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/10/17 10:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thank you
I'm now switching my training to more strength based, starting with getting back to bootcamp three times a week (I'd sacrificed that time slot and all other spare time for running in the six months prior to the Marathon), then once I have a good strength base it'll be onto weights and stuff.

I'm not going to drop running but I will cut it back to prob just the one very hilly 10mile local loop every Saturday morning (I really enjoy starting the weekend with that).


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/10/17 02:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

cool! so you didn't get injured? have no idea what mpw you were running but thats great [sounds like it was enough]. Or maybe you dont know yet (hopefully not), it took me 2-4 weeks to notice something wasnt right after my first

chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/11/17 01:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: MAJESTIC STICKZ
cool! so you didn't get injured? have no idea what mpw you were running but thats great [sounds like it was enough]. Or maybe you dont know yet (hopefully not), it took me 2-4 weeks to notice something wasnt right after my first


Nope nothing noticeable yet.
I Started getting fit last spring, in the words of my PT "This guy a year ago was in terrible shape and fitness (sorry mate) but has completely turned it around!"
I have been running 20 very hilly miles week since last summer, then from January I added into that a 20+ mile very hilly run on a weekend morning once a month

I live on the top of a steep geographic plateau in a rural area, it appears to have been the perfect training ground.

Still no muscle stiffness or aches & pains other than feeling super tired. I have been staying as mobile as possible since Sunday.



chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/12/17 01:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The pics I took on the day








schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/17 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^nice,

here's my bum-tour of Oakland.
I PR'd everything over 10k here


kinda fell apart around mile 10, was hoping to close around a 24:nn final 5K but just couldnt do it //gassed. Probably because I went out within :30s of my current 10k PR lmao coincidence

this race represented a bit of 'risk' to me as I hadnt really been able to do any HMP in a year pretty much, sidetracked for 6 months with a hip injury.

Picked a HMP goal-pace really just on a guess, and made it fairly aggressively close to my current 10K PR and am surprised it worked out. TBH though I was hoping for a 1:41:nn here heh

I had to play some mental games with myself to stay mostly on ~7:45 pace the whole way. Like at one point I told myself "well, at least get a solid 10m split if you're gonna blow up, at least blow up after the 10m marker..." heh. And when I got to the 10m marker I was like.... "ok, so its only a 5K, time to go"... but there was nothing there hehe.

at the end after the finish line I had to grab the rail/barrier and lean over it for a while and a tinge of nausea came over me. Verdict: worked hard/good effort. Didnt feel like I had left a shitload on the course like I sometimes do. Usually either a blow-up or a sandbag, nothing in between. I think I finally got that in-between.


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/13/17 07:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well, it looks like my nutrition, training and post Marathon were all spot on....no ache, pains or even DOMS at all this week.

Went out for a easy 6.5k last night, felt nice and steady until I got home and looked at data...Much to my surprise three new PRs popped up

Fastest Mile.
Fastest Km.
and a sector PR too.

It feels nice that I'm no longer "Training for Marathon" and I'm free to run whenever and however and for as long as I feel like now....I'm no longer tied to 20miles per week and a 20miler once a month.

Plan of attack now is hit fitness bootcamp hard again as doing my first OCR in May


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/13/17 10:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

JFC I'm jelly. After my first full I was two-hands on the handrail going down for like 2 and almost 3 days at work
Day of, taking BART and then CALTRAIN and carrying my luggage up/down the stairs from SF was such a clusterfuck

I knew it must have been bad because at one point when I was hugging the rail going down and being limpy/awkward af one of my co-workers was like 'dude are you ok??!' and at that moment I realized just how bad I looked

I was sore af and generally exhausted after that last half race I just did too , my quads were positively piqued

I dont expect my next full to be any different lmao [CIM!]


Sir Ironpool
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04/13/17 12:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Quote:
20miler once a month


See that? That's why he's not destroyed. Plus, it sounds like he took it conservatively and enjoyed the day.


SJP0tato
(Member)
04/13/17 07:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've got the shortest race I'll have entered coming up next weekend (4.2 miler).

Should be fun, I've been doing nothing but trying to build a consistent base the past couple months now with 0 speed work so no idea what'll happen.
I'm so used to the longer races where you spend the first 1/4 of it telling yourself to slow down/take it easy, I guess I'll just focus on burning it good the first mile and holding throughout.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/17 01:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have no idea how fast you are now, but I'm just guessing you can run this around 6:20/mi pace or something? Just to ballpark it.

It's just enough longer than a 5K to cause some issues with your 5K pace I'm thinking...

I'm sure you have a better idea of current capability than I do //stravastalker


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/17 01:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: chris4652008
Brighton Marathon was awesome..finished in the 7500 out of 20604 runners with a time of 4:44mins. Top half of my age group 40-44 and 5400 male out of 12494

The run was great, lovely sunny day..lots of drink stations and run through shower points plus residents with hoses and water sprayers so it was no problem.


A really enjoyable experience, I'm feeling very proud of what I've achieved after being, in the words of my PT "This guy a year ago was in terrible shape and fitness (sorry mate) but has completely turned it around!"


If I can do it, anyone can.

Set a goal, smash it, repeat


Congrats on finishing your first!

I predict with that good of an experience, you'll want to do again. Way to stick with the training and get out there.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/17 01:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Here are a few shots from last week's Ragnar So Cal Relay.

I think most of you here are familiar with this style of race. So I will say that if you haven't done one, and are considering it, GET OUT THERE AND DO IT.

By far, one of my favorite events.







chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/19/17 03:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
 Originally Posted By: chris4652008
Brighton Marathon was awesome..finished in the 7500 out of 20604 runners with a time of 4:44mins. Top half of my age group 40-44 and 5400 male out of 12494

The run was great, lovely sunny day..lots of drink stations and run through shower points plus residents with hoses and water sprayers so it was no problem.


A really enjoyable experience, I'm feeling very proud of what I've achieved after being, in the words of my PT "This guy a year ago was in terrible shape and fitness (sorry mate) but has completely turned it around!"


If I can do it, anyone can.

Set a goal, smash it, repeat


Congrats on finishing your first!

I predict with that good of an experience, you'll want to do again. Way to stick with the training and get out there.


Thank you, I'm enjoying the freedom of being able to run without "having" to.

Good to be back at bootcamp though, first session since Marathon was on Saturday morning, then again last night. Great to be working the muscles I've hardly used in the last six months or so.

I've got my first OCR (Tough Mudder) coming up next month, I'm really looking forward to that.
Have any of you done an OCR?


Design
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04/19/17 09:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Several Spartans and mud runs here. The 5Ks are fun. 10Ks a little more challenging. Anything above that... bring a camelbak, extra sunblock, and some fuel.

I suggest working in some mild strength training if you can. Gloves and under armour go a long way too. Have fun!


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
04/20/17 01:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Here are a few shots from last week's Ragnar So Cal Relay.

I think most of you here are familiar with this style of race. So I will say that if you haven't done one, and are considering it, GET OUT THERE AND DO IT.

By far, one of my favorite events.







Wasn't familiar with this race at all so googled it, looks awesome...well done
https://www.runragnar.com/event-detail/relay/southerncalifornia

https://youtu.be/2gaZPCC1PIA


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
05/24/17 04:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I popped my OCR cherry on Sunday, Tough Mudder Midlands. I Absolutely loved it, a truly incredible experience....
https://toughmudder.co.uk/events/2017-midlands
Not my Vid as my GoPro battery lasted about 5mins \:\( but this is the best vid I can find that shows what we all did.
https://youtu.be/gwVq7Ube1DQ

Does Anyone here do OCRs?


Design
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05/31/17 12:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. I do about 2-3 a year. They are definitely a lot of fun and a good way to compliment strength training. I do mostly the longer Spartan races these days.

***************************

Work has been crazy the last 10 weeks. Very little training and no runs over 5-6 miles. Yet somehow got suckered into the Laguna Memorial Half by a couple friends. No sleep. No training. Quite a few hills. Yet scored within 90 seconds of my half marathon PR. Go figure...



Next week is the Rock n Roll Half with Team Hoyt. No F's given on time. Just going to enjoy the course and help push a chair with a friend. It was a humbling experience last year and looking forward to doing it again.


schtickaz.ai
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06/01/17 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

sounds cool

I have a sprint tri the end of this month and a 5k road race in SF that I havent cancelled yet. I think I'll be good to go but who knows. Might skip doing any runs whatsoever in front of the sprint tri though. Waiting until I've had a solid week or two of zero foot pain in the morning
..which I came close to this morning for the first time but that would still be cutting it close with this timeline

Otherwise I still have a:

50K in Oct
Half in Oct
26.2 in Dec

that I've already signed up for. lol.
Guessing next years SF half will be a good one for me, unsure about anything else this year, the 5Ks dont sound too bad [I've already run a half at the end of a 70.3 on the foot with all its current problems and warmed up in hokas it doesnt really bother me at all/barely noticeable]. Still something is definitely wrong as when I get up in the morning I'm basically a cripple.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/17 05:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. I'm actually in SF this July running the half with my executive team lol. I've heard some of them actually run a sub-2hr half. So it should be interesting.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/17 12:59 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Oh nice, the 2nd half of the SF marAthon is pretty much the only competitive half in NorCal
They have a 5k option which is the one I'm doing heh. I will consider it a huge stroke of luck if I'm running at all by then

July 23 I think

Zuckerberg was in the first half with the bridge last year and went 2:02 or so. It's a little hilly in the first half but no big deal


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06/27/17 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

About to sign up for first road half in 2-3 year. Next Tuesday, lol

Feeling lightly sick
Been missing at least 1 quality run a week
sleep deprived from newborn

This going to be good


schtickaz.ai
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06/27/17 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

at least you've got the excuses lined up early

**DONOTDELETE**
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06/27/17 12:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've learned from the best.

schtickaz.ai
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06/27/17 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Design
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07/03/17 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
About to sign up for first road half in 2-3 year. Next Tuesday, lol

Feeling lightly sick
Been missing at least 1 quality run a week
sleep deprived from newborn

This going to be good


Good luck man. Have fun!


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/05/17 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Fun... not sure I had fun
But I did hit my goal (<100min)

I wanted to slack, but HR monitor kept me honest.

Fuck "Racing"


Design
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07/05/17 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work man. Solid time!

Sir Ironpool
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07/05/17 08:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've reported him to marathoninvestigations.com. \:D

J/k...you killed it dude.


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/05/17 11:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cutting 10 minutes off a PR:good
Taking 10 years: bad

Still cool to be able to train(even haphazardly) and do a half.

Happy to report that given my remaining goal for this year I will be doing no further lactate work.
No idea how to enter the abyss of 4-7hours a week+ of running


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/06/17 01:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

its easy, you just spend the next ~6 months to a year injured/unable to run

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/10/17 04:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ran 3x1 mile repeats yesterday as my only run of the week [/still injured]

fairly exciting in 90*F temps and peak day sunlight. Forgot how much running in a heat wave sucks


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/12/17 11:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm in the midst of my usual summer vacation treadmill hell. Other than pacing duties, I haven't been on a trail since May.

It's not all bad though...I've been watching movies and sweating a lot!


**DONOTDELETE**
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07/14/17 01:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trying to get momentum back to get my miles back up.

On one hand it's been cooler than the last few years, but I've keep waiting until mid-day to get out there, so enjoying those 80s...


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/17 01:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm officially punting on 2017

8 weeks off didnt get me to where I hoped to be, gonna stay <10 mpw if not at/close to zero the rest of the year. anything over a 10k is off my schedule, will try to do a couple 5K's as all I ever actually wanted to do was break 20 in a 5k. Even injured and doubly injured still making gradual YoY improvements so who knows, might get under 20:30 this year

Kinda bummed but also kinda stoked tbh--gives me a chance to improve in other areas

my coach just mentioned I probably need to stop doing all speedwork. oops. yea, I will just try to manage/monitor the recovery [or lack] with 2 maybe 3 tops 30 minute treadmill sessions at super easy pace for as long as it takes


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
07/15/17 12:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: KEVIN STICKAZ
ran 3x1 mile repeats yesterday as my only run of the week [/still injured]

fairly exciting in 90*F temps and peak day sunlight. Forgot how much running in a heat wave sucks


It's pretty much the worst thing ever.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/15/17 03:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Signed up for the Americas Greatest City 1/2 in San Diego. The wife and son are going to run it as well as my brother and his wife. Brother wants to break 1:45 so I may just stick with him and see if we can keep up with Jackson. \:D

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/16/17 06:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My wife is doing that one to wrap up the Triple Crown series. I'll probably come down with the kids in the late morning to cheer on.

San Francisco half coming up!


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/17 12:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ooh neat I'm at that one this weekend too [5k option, yeehaw], the one the day of the SF marathon

Design
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07/17/17 03:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice. We're looking forward to it. Company is footing the bill for me and the wife to go. Not going to complain one bit lol.

Have a good race!


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/17 03:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice, hope you have a good one too. The first half has some vert to it but not as bad as some of the other SF halves. Second half kinda flat is supposedly the competitive one. Me I prefer the first half, much prefer embarcadero/GG bridge vs Golden Gate park loops and sadness

I will look for u in finishing area :D, I'll be the one with all the beer tags [5k'ers beat everyone to the finish even with the late start, unless somebody breaks the WR and i cant go under 30:00 ]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/17 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice... I'll keep a look out.

schtickaz.ai
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07/20/17 03:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's so weird having a 5k race Sunday with no actual race pace work since injured.

I think I'll sneak out to the track this eve and bust out a 5k RP mile just to give my body something to remember for Sunday

*with any luck, my PF doesn't regress

Edit: easy 30 minute treadmill last night, this morning my Achilles was merely stiff and zero heel pain. No big deal I guess. Decided to abandon RP mile and save that for a 400m warmup morning of the race heh


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/28/17 05:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Managed to squeeze out a 1:47:11 at the SF Half this past weekend. The reward? An inflamed nerve below the ball of my left foot. Chalking it up to cold weather and worn shoes.

Overall I was happy with how the race went. Some good hills before and after Golden Gate. But nothing horrible. Plan to come back next year.

Unfortunately, work stuff pulled me away from meeting up with Stickaz. So we'll try for another time.


chris4652008
(Post Master Sr)
08/02/17 04:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update on what I've been up to since last post:

I've Dropped "structured" running completely (still doing bits and pieces for cardio) and have been hitting fitness bootcamp hard with my wife. Three early morning gym based sessions a week @ 05:30 before work, and also outdoor sessions in the evenings two nights a week plus Saturday mornings.

Did my second OCR (Muscle Acre 10k) http://www.muscleacre.com/ ...That was fun apart from my wife dislocating her shoulder, I sent her off to hospital while I completed the course (no sense both of us sitting in waiting room for hours lol).


My Waistband has gone from tight in 34" trousers (January 2016) to loose in 32" (first time in 32" waist in about 4-5 years).

No idea what I weigh though, I'm more interested in how I feel and what I can do.

Right now at the age of 42 I'm Feeling like I'm in the best shape of my life.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/17 02:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Keeping this thread alive. Survived the LA Rock n Roll half a few weeks back with a 1:47:58. Cooler weather but humid. Overall a good race for me but was hoping for a slightly lower time.

Tomorrow I'm off to Los Coyotes for a Ragnar Trail series race. 8 person relay throughout an Indian Reservation near Warner Springs. Lots of vert on this course @ 5000ft elevation. But the team is very relaxed and more about having fun. Really looking forward to it.

I have the Turkey Trot with the family, another 13 mile trail race in early December with some friends, then training once again for the LA Marathon. Should hopefully keep the holiday lbs off. \:D


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/17 02:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I need some feedback from the more experienced distance runners.

Right now, my 26.2 PR is 3:18:xx, about a 7:35/mile overall. I know I can do better than 3:18, my strategy was off last year...stupidly stopped eating at mile 18 and gassed out by 21.
I'm torn between whether I really build my base over the winter/spring and go hard over the summer for BQ attempt this coming fall or wait another year until I turn 35 and get the extra 5 minutes to qual. Another thought would be to go for Chicago this fall, then try for BQ at Chicago, as it's a flat course. Mileage wise, off season I'm at about 25-30 miles per week for maintenance, and once training ramps up, I'm at 50-60 a week.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/15/17 03:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'd think if you honestly want to BQ you'd have 3-4 12 week blocks of 50-60 leading up to it

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/16/17 07:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Kevin Spacey
I'd think if you honestly want to BQ you'd have 3-4 12 week blocks of 50-60 leading up to it
Yeah, that seems to be the unfortunate reality. I think 2019 is more realistic. Eh, at least I can go for a sub-65 10 mile this year.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/17/17 01:48 PM
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About to cross 800 miles for the year. Looks like 1,000 is off the table as I missed a couple weeks for surgery recovery.

Still 800 is my best year, I got to a late start, and our winters SUCK. I could see 900 happening still.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/17/17 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas
 Originally Posted By: Kevin Spacey
I'd think if you honestly want to BQ you'd have 3-4 12 week blocks of 50-60 leading up to it
Yeah, that seems to be the unfortunate reality. I think 2019 is more realistic. Eh, at least I can go for a sub-65 10 mile this year.


wow thats awesome, just looking at the mcmillan/vdot table thats equivalent to:

5:23 mile
18:44 5k
38:53 10k
1:26:42 half
3:02:28 full

me: I'm hoping I'll end up around 20:30--20:40 in a 5K race next week , kinda sick but whatever, feel good enough I think. I'll accept even [1] second off my PR I guess tho hehe [<20:55]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/17 01:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas
 Originally Posted By: Kevin Spacey
I'd think if you honestly want to BQ you'd have 3-4 12 week blocks of 50-60 leading up to it
Yeah, that seems to be the unfortunate reality. I think 2019 is more realistic. Eh, at least I can go for a sub-65 10 mile this year.


Based on personal experience...yeah, you’re mileage needs to get bumped up to the 60mpw range to go for that BQ. Here’s a screenshot of my Strava from when I qualified the first time. It was my second real attempt. First time (at the same race the year before) I blew up spectacularly at mile 21 and limped to a 3:20 I think. I was only doing about 40mpw. This time I focused on being focused. I only looked 5 feet in front of me, didn’t worry about pace groups, just looked at my watch to make sure I was on pace. I also took nutrition like clockwork: 2 or 3 Clif blocks every 20 minutes, water every other aid station.

I highly encourage you going after it though! Qualifying is such a great accomplishment, and running the race is like icing on the cake.




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/20/17 01:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

As for me...I’ve been sidelined with a pulled lower back muscle for the last week or two. Been trying to walk just to maintain my fitness, but it’s been a real blow to my mental well being. I’m grumpy and restless not being able to run. Going to try a short one on the treadmill today to see how it feels.

I did sign up for the Black Canyon 100k in Arizona in February again though, and that’s got me excited. Waiting till Dec 2 Western States lottery before I start planning out the rest of next year.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/21/17 11:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom


Based on personal experience...yeah, you’re mileage needs to get bumped up to the 60mpw range to go for that BQ. Here’s a screenshot of my Strava from when I qualified the first time. It was my second real attempt. First time (at the same race the year before) I blew up spectacularly at mile 21 and limped to a 3:20 I think. I was only doing about 40mpw. This time I focused on being focused. I only looked 5 feet in front of me, didn’t worry about pace groups, just looked at my watch to make sure I was on pace. I also took nutrition like clockwork: 2 or 3 Clif blocks every 20 minutes, water every other aid station.

Thanks for the encouragement; I've had a lot of progress in the past few years. 2014 I ran Baltimore (very hilly) at a 3:42, then 2015 was marine corps marathon at a 3:27, and then last year MCM again at 3:18, so I'm dropping time quickly. Looking back, I should have been a sub 3:15, but I stupidly stopped eating and like you, had an epic meltdown at 21.

I'm hoping I can get in the 3:12-3:13 range this year and go for Chicago and BQ in 2019. Fingers crossed...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/21/17 06:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Very similar progression for me as well. Personally I feel that there’s a learning curve to running a fast marathon that’s just as important as the physical training side. Keep at it...I bet the next one you nail it.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/24/17 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I just pulled a 20:20 5k out of my a$$ and wasn't a whiny bitch after mile 2 for once

Splits: 6:28,6:38,6:34

Didn't hurt that there was a fine redhead wearing a big sur marathon tee running my exact pace that I locked onto

<20:00 I think starting to become feasible \:o


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/17 06:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job man. Always helps to have someone to chase. \:D

GB
(Post Master Supreme)
11/30/17 01:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did 150 floors on the stairmaster yesterday in 43:00. Fitness watch said I burned 593 calories

I don't run for exercise, ever. Hate it. Hate hate hate.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/30/17 01:42 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trying to figure out a course of action for 2018 as races entries are opening up.

I'm thinking I want to get a 50miler or 100km in. Just not sure how ready I am.

I've been sort of taking November off (had to take 10 days off after surgery) so I've only ran 30 miles all month. I think October/September I was averaging 25/week.

Basically how do I move from 25mpw(average) to 50mi in a day ready.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/17 01:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well since a proper marathon requires 50-60+ mpw, this sounds like it would be more

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/17 03:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Trying to figure out a course of action for 2018 as races entries are opening up.

I'm thinking I want to get a 50miler or 100km in. Just not sure how ready I am.

I've been sort of taking November off (had to take 10 days off after surgery) so I've only ran 30 miles all month. I think October/September I was averaging 25/week.

Basically how do I move from 25mpw(average) to 50mi in a day ready.


Based on how you felt after, and how well you did at the 50k, I think if you got a good 12 week build up to a peak of a couple 55-60 mile weeks, you’d manage a 50 miler just fine. 100k would require hitting 70 a week at least once. It’s a whole nother animal.


**DONOTDELETE**
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12/01/17 06:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: KEVIN RETURNS
Well since a proper marathon requires 50-60+ mpw, this sounds like it would be more


I'm not really interested in "proper". I'm just looking to finish a race in a pretty place and mostly have fun doing so.

I think my 50km showed that my 3-ish hours a week of cycling counts for something.

So Ampsman say 7-8 hours a week, which actually was actually what I did for July/august this year.

Backing into mrmom's information 55-60 sounds closer to 9-10 hours( I assumed 6mph because mix of trails/road) or 70 (11.5)

Given the goal of a 100km it sounds like a month of 9-10 with at least one week of 11-12 hours.

Now to fill in the details and get my ass running....lol


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/03/18 04:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I think I will finally pick up a semi-decent GPS watch for (mostly) running and the occasional tri. What's CSI think of this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner...ds=garmin+920xt


Pricing seems pretty good...


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
01/06/18 07:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I’ve had the 920xt since it came out, which replaced the 910xt I had before that. Love mine and have had no issues with it. It’s lasted up to about 16 hours during a hundred, and works great in the water during both pool and open water swimming.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/18 06:06 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks Chris. Did some reading and it seems a sure bet. No wristband HR sensor; but they offer a bundle with the chest strap for $30 more.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O4EXVX6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1394B1K82XHSA&psc=1


**DONOTDELETE**
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01/31/18 12:19 PM
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Second 50km on the books. Arches 50km
Compared to last time:
1,000' less vert, much harder terrain.
shaved off 20-ish minutes.
Carried pack

last races was mostly 2 sustained climbs from sea level to about 2k.
This race was dozens of short climbs between 4k-5k. Lots of rock. Some ugly undulating slick rock.

Paced much more agressively. I think last time I deliberately held to 11+ until I hit mile 27. Once I realized I could make it I put down 3-4 8s.

This time I was trying for <10:30-ish, Started out with about 7 10 minute miles, but I just couldn't hold it with the terrain and altitude. Slowed progressively as the hills got steeper to a couple of 12s and 11:0# average at the final aid station by around Mile 25. Dropped my pack and nearly all my gear and put down some mid 9s on very tired legs. pulled the moving pace down. Final: 5:29:44 moving time, 5:37 chip.

Pavement, slick rock with LOTS of knee abusing large steps, a little sand, mixed rock, snow, etc.

Overall a great race. Utah desert in the winter is gorgeous. Hard course, definitely need your ankles/knees ready.

25th overall, 10th in AG.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/05/18 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^damn son, I guess I am officially over doubting your ability to finish these shorter-ultra thingies. You're much tougher than your mileage would suggest \:D

Me I am theoretically focusing on the mile/5k this year. Hope to not get the flu but I think it's inevitable and I'm in the incubation period right now, but I do hope to hit the track this week.

Injury management seems good, got some hill work in last week and am averaging about 18 mpw in spite of traveling a fair amount this year. Also around 50 mpw biking and 3500 yds/week in the pool.

Might enter a 5k race here shortly otherwise I have a half in SF as my next event that I'm not doing anything specific for. My long runs these days are 6-7 milers at most (injury management reasons), but I don't think I'll fall apart in a half anymore but I probably should get some HMP/goal pace workouts in so that it isn't too much of a cry fest. But I think doing 5k based workouts (faster pace, but lessor distance) make that somewhat less necessary. Of course I say that now but I had the same theory last year in a half race where I set my current PR (1:43) and I kinda blew up a bit around mile 9/10, but I think that was really the sun/heat affecting me, probably added about 90s to what I could have done if I had been able to hold pace the last 4 miles. In reality I probably blew up last year specifically because I avoided/failed to complete any tempo/long tempo runs around 10k to 10k+15s/mi pace, so I was running in an unfamiliar/untrained zone. Which I will do again this year, lol, because tempo workouts just hurt so damn much.


Design
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02/05/18 11:42 AM
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Nice job on the 50K man. Great time for such a brutal course.

Still training for the LA Marathon in March. Ran the Surf City Half yesterday using my wife's bib (she got injured). Took it easy and paced with a couple friends along the course. 1:51:15 or so.

My longer miles are trending better than expected. Knocked out last week's 20 miler in 2:50, or around an 8:25 pace. I definitely slowed down around mile 18, so thinking of dialing things back to around 8:40. But mentally, this was a pretty big breakthrough for me.

Still taking the midweek runs hard. 6-7 mile tempos @ 7:45/mi.


Sir Ironpool
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02/13/18 04:54 PM
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Nice work guys!

My early season training is going well. Had a great race at the Calico 50k last month where I was able to grab a 20 minute PR on that course with a steady effort. Tried to sneak in under 5:00, but I forgot how long the hill was back up to the finish line. \:\( 5:00:52. 10th OA, 5th in my AG (fast old bastards!)

Next race is Black Canyon 100k this Saturday. Expecting a BIG improvement over last years 13:16 on a modified course (out and back with more climbing) and hopefully no rain/mud. Weather is looking perfect with a hi/lo of 55/34 and sunny. Shooting for an 11:30.

Next month is my sixth Way Too Cool 50k, then the Leona Divide 50 miler in April.


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02/14/18 10:39 AM
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I think I've come up with my plan finally for this race season.

I'm going to chill on ultras for 6 months. I've accomplished a lot but I want to be able to maintain my weight and strength so I'm going to shift towards speed and keeping around 30mpw.

I'm hoping to cut 3-4 minutes off my half. Last year I cut my PR by 10 minutes and I was barely averaging 25mpw for only 4 monhths. I'm hoping with an entire year more, some ultras, and slighly more base I can shave that down by another 20-ish seconds a mile.

Maybe PR the 5km, 10km in the process. The race would be July 4. Then I'll transition to longs. I'll finally do my timbeline trail goal (39mi, 7k vert unsupported apline wilderness). Then Plan on a 50 miler in September (and november?)


schtickaz.ai
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02/16/18 12:00 AM
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That sounds like the opposite avoiding ultras lol?

Me I'm gonna sign up for the Carlsbad 5000, even pace to 20:00 and see if I can hang on (and kick the last 400m to sneak under), so scared. But this is year 4/5? Of trying to sneak under 20, and I'm not getting any younger. About 6 weeks from now /woot

Gonna hit the track weekly for 6x800, 5x1000' and ofc 3x and 4x mile repeats at/about 5k goal pace.

Last time I PRd the 5k,, it seems I fell into my 3 or 4x mile repeat pace on 90s rest rather easily, so I need to do these again I guess

I've spent about 4 weeks traveling YTD and its cramping my prep a bit, also severely jet-lagged/sleep deprived is hurting performance in workouts


Corytrade
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02/17/18 12:56 AM
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I have popped in and out of this thread, as well as running, over the years. Kids are growing up, working more stable hours, so I am currently back to running 4x per week, with a long run on the weekend. I am eyeing the Folsom Lake 50k in April, and will have to train on a non-ideal schedule probably. Getting about 10-15mi during the week and long run on the weekends. I think my time to the race is good for a buildup.

Thoughts, wisdom? Shit, I got a Fenix 5X for motivation, so I might as well do something.


schtickaz.ai
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02/17/18 07:06 PM
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That sounds similar to the program that left me with repetitive stress injuries in my lower body (Achilles, foot) and hip heh. Hopefully that doesn't happen to you, but there seems to be a lot of literature that suggests having the long run at/above 40% of weekly mileage leads to these types of injuries. YMMV, I just try to get a 45 min or 1 Hour or a track workout in, but obviously I have no distance related goals (or expectations), in fact, I'm a little apprehensive about my half races this year heh. Oh well, I figure I can fake it past mile 9

Sir Ironpool
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02/18/18 11:09 AM
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Cory...
As long as you’re fairly fit, and can get some long-ish trail runs in (I’d say a minimum of a 20 miler) I’m sure you’ll be able to finish it. It’s a mostly flat and runnable course, which can lead to disaster if you go out too hard. I would say take it super easy the first 20 miles (maybe a little run/walk action) and then push it at the end if you’re feeling good.


Corytrade
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02/20/18 12:16 AM
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 Originally Posted By: KEVIN RETURNS
That sounds similar to the program that left me with repetitive stress injuries in my lower body (Achilles, foot) and hip heh. Hopefully that doesn't happen to you, but there seems to be a lot of literature that suggests having the long run at/above 40% of weekly mileage leads to these types of injuries. YMMV, I just try to get a 45 min or 1 Hour or a track workout in, but obviously I have no distance related goals (or expectations), in fact, I'm a little apprehensive about my half races this year heh. Oh well, I figure I can fake it past mile 9

This is interesting, so roughly around the 15mi long run mark I will need to start upping my weekday schedule. Good to know. If my memory serves me right, and my light familiarity with your workout history, I believe you will do anything but run if you can help it, correct? What races are you looking at this year?

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Cory...
As long as you’re fairly fit, and can get some long-ish trail runs in (I’d say a minimum of a 20 miler) I’m sure you’ll be able to finish it. It’s a mostly flat and runnable course, which can lead to disaster if you go out too hard. I would say take it super easy the first 20 miles (maybe a little run/walk action) and then push it at the end if you’re feeling good.

Good to know, thanks for the advice. The hardest thing for me has always been to go slow out of the gate. However, I am using my recovery runs @ 10:00/mile as an idea of how I will need to pace on such a long race. I plan on progressing at ~2 miles per long run to get to at least one 20miler before the race. I just did an 8 miler this weekend in 1h15m, so I am feeling good about my current pace. Obviously mileage gain and pace is not a linear function though, so I am trying to be realistic. Anyway, good luck on the Way to Cool this year.


schtickaz.ai
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02/20/18 03:17 AM
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I am apathetic about my running generally, but did just finish a 42 mile week. I substitute a long bike ride for the long run these days and focus on the 5k/mile and keep up a swim program. So I'm all over the place. Anyways I'm looking forward to a couple 5ks, a couple 70.3s, 2 13.1s, a bike race here and there, and a swim meet or two. Maybe some open track all comer mile races too.


Sir Ironpool
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02/20/18 10:01 AM
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Yeah, pacing is important....especially in a trail ultra. You can always tell the first timers at a 50k...they’re the ones running up the first hills when everyone else is hiking, lol. They’re also the ones that I enjoy picking off in the later miles when they fall apart. \:D

For the most part you want the pace to feel like your “all day” pace...something you feel you could maintain for hours on end. Unlike a road race, you’ll hear a ton of chatter out on the trail. That old “conversational pace” is a great suggestion. You’ll also want to figure out your nutrition and hydration needs.


Sir Ironpool
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02/20/18 01:26 PM
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A little race recap from the Black Canyon 100k.

Overall it went really well. The second half was deceptively hard, and much harder than the first half, so I wasn’t as fast as I thought I could be. I was able to run steady and pretty strong thought, and did a good job of working through the low points of the race. It got pretty warm, and the dry desert air made it hard to tell you were sweating, but once I realized how salty I was, I upped my water and salt tab intake. Nutrition was good...didn’t carry anything and just ate cookies and watermelon from the aid station. Managed to move up from 107th at the mile 50 aid station to 84th at the finish. I love picking off the carnage late in a race!

Finish time was 12:44, which is a 30 minute 100k PR.

I’m pretty sore 2 days later but just managed a 4 mile jog without too much discomfort.

Next up: Way Too Cool 50k in less than 2 weeks!


charlie_td1
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02/26/18 11:43 AM
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I need the days to hurry up and get longer. Call me a diva, but running in the dark is getting super lame. Of course, remind me of this in August when it's 95 and 99% humidity out and it's long run day

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02/26/18 05:15 PM
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Yeah I just looked and we have roughly the same sunset. 6 isn't even that bad. there's 10-15 minutes of very usable twilight.

Lastly headlamps are $50(?) for a good one.

Don't let yourself make those sort of excuses.


Design
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02/26/18 05:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
A little race recap from the Black Canyon 100k.

Overall it went really well. The second half was deceptively hard, and much harder than the first half, so I wasn’t as fast as I thought I could be. I was able to run steady and pretty strong thought, and did a good job of working through the low points of the race. It got pretty warm, and the dry desert air made it hard to tell you were sweating, but once I realized how salty I was, I upped my water and salt tab intake. Nutrition was good...didn’t carry anything and just ate cookies and watermelon from the aid station. Managed to move up from 107th at the mile 50 aid station to 84th at the finish. I love picking off the carnage late in a race!

Finish time was 12:44, which is a 30 minute 100k PR.

I’m pretty sore 2 days later but just managed a 4 mile jog without too much discomfort.

Next up: Way Too Cool 50k in less than 2 weeks!


Great job man.

My last 20 miler was exactly the opposite... faded pretty fast after mile 17. Combination of running a gradual uphill combined with a faster than usual pace. Once I turned around and headed back downhill I felt fine. But it's a good reminder not to go out too hard and save some strength for the 2nd half of the marathon.


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02/26/18 10:06 PM
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Am I seeing snow for way too cool this year?

Sir Ironpool
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02/27/18 09:04 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Am I seeing snow for way too cool this year?


Lol, yep.
The course is at all of 1500ft ffs!


charlie_td1
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02/27/18 01:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So here's my proposed training schedule....any critiques? It's kind of a combination of a couple different programs. 12 week build up, 10 week mid-summer, then 12 week push to race day.
Build up:

Summer:

Fall/Final push:




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02/28/18 01:48 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Am I seeing snow for way too cool this year?


Lol, yep.
The course is at all of 1500ft ffs!


I think Varner is running it? Maybe it was another one I follow.

Should I send you my shoe-chains? lol


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02/28/18 01:52 PM
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Ok, so my tentative plan is chillax on ultras for the first half of the season.

So my new goal is cutting some time of 1/2. Last year I managed 1:39:5# with 6 months of "training" mostly being increasing milage with once a month LT runs. I think I benefited from a lot of cycling though.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to "train" for a 1/2 (cue stickaz saying there's no point unless I hit 50 MPW). In the past I did some speedwork and I've played around this last off season for shits and giggles.

Basically I've got 18 weeks, a base of ~20-25mpw. What should I be doing?


schtickaz.ai
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02/28/18 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think a half has much lower mileage requirements if we're just talking about half assing one. I still think you'd want at least a 12 week block where you get up to around 40/45, basically a thon program with a shorter long run. Will you get a teeny bit faster with another 17 mpw year? Sure

Chas is that pfitzs 12/55? Daniels?


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03/01/18 10:47 AM
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I already pre-empted your opinion regurgitation. Look I've been to your source, and found dozens of posters who've clocked 9#;## halves off less than 40-45 week.

Like yeah you can't get down to <85min probably on that (unless your a teenager with a health background in speed) but let's not like it's a binary where <40mpw is useless.

Also, that 17mpw made me faster than you've ever been, so it'd be helpful if you STFU.


Design
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03/01/18 12:23 PM
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I think you're on the right path - make each run a quality run. I'm on track to PR this month's marathon on a 3-run-per-week training schedule. I do other activity in between (strength & elliptical). But my core runs are all high(er) intensity.

My suggestion is to work in a tempo session during one of your midweek runs. And maybe do repeats/hills later in the week if you can swing it. Pretty sure you'd see some solid results in as early as 3-4 weeks.

For reference, my two midweek runs are 6-10 miles each.


schtickaz.ai
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03/04/18 09:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Making every run a quality /hard run is such a PITA tho--hurts too much IMO to sustain (tempo/track workouts I'm looking at you). I think I'm starting to get some results from a little more volume (have had a couple 25 mile weeks and one 40, most at/about 20 tho), starting to back off on the bike

Me I had a good 5k indicator workout I think this afternoon:

6:28/6:29/6:30 miles in 3 mins standing rest after a warmup. HR never peaked over 155

Crazy consistent lap times lol, example here's my first mile splits:
1:36/1:37/1:36/1:38 lol, the whole workout was like this :flex:
Going to suck when the weather turns warmer , days are numbered for this


Sir Ironpool
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03/04/18 10:24 PM
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Way Too Cool 50k #7 went pretty well yesterday. Not my fastest, but not my slowest. 5:02. I really wanted a sub 5, but I got stuck behind a guy and a girl from mile 20-26 that we’re moving slower than what I probably (and have done) could have managed, but didn’t have the energy to put in a surge to pass with authority. Also, the trails were in extra shitty condition. More mud and water than I’ve experienced there. A good 10 creek crossings with the first being a mile and a half in. The second was deep enough to get my balls wet. Still fun though, just not the fastest.
Also, for some reason, every single time I do this race, I get major leg cramps (quads and calves) after climbing the steepest and longest climb of the course, Goat Hill at mile 26. There’s an AS at the top and like clockwork, once I start descending they want to go into full-on lockdown mode. I’ve tried everything over the last 7 years and nothing helps. Pretty frustrating to have the lungs to hammer those last 4 miles, but legs that won’t cooperate.

Other than that, it was another good indicator of my fitness so far this year. I pushed it, the miles flew by, and I had no low moments. Love this race!


Design
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03/05/18 11:43 AM
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Beast.

Well done man.


schtickaz.ai
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03/06/18 11:20 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I don't even the vert on that course \:o

Sir Ironpool
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03/06/18 06:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: KEVIN RETURNS
I don't even the vert on that course \:o


Honestly, its not even that bad. I run about 98% of it...which is probably why my legs get pissed after the Goat Hill climb.

Check out this video of the winner, Max King making his move to take first on the same hill. The cameraman is a badass runner himself and you can hear how hard he’s working to keep up. He makes it look way less steep than it is.

https://www.facebook.com/salomonrunning/videos/10160101712035346/


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03/07/18 10:19 AM
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5k? It looks like 10% more than Oregon Coast 50km overall. Sound about right?


Though the end of that goat hill climb looks gnarly AF.


Design
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03/07/18 11:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow he made that look easy lol.

Sir Ironpool
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03/07/18 01:36 PM
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
5k? It looks like 10% more than Oregon Coast 50km overall. Sound about right?


Though the end of that goat hill climb looks gnarly AF.


My GPS always varies somewhere in the 4K range. Lots of punchy little rollers make up most of it with just 2 or 3 that require power hiking...everything else is runnable even for a mid-packer like me.


charlie_td1
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03/14/18 07:14 AM
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week 2 of the workout (posted above). I forgot how much I enjoy structured training; I get so lazy when I run for the sake of running. Having a set program/objective each day is really helping me both physically and mentally. Let's hope this gradual ramp up staves off any injuries...I've been a bit of a glass cannon lately; fast, but injury prone. Achilles/calf issues have been plaguing me the past couple years.

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03/14/18 08:19 AM
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I'm totally not following my "structure" but I did manage a pace/tempo-ish run last week and some intervals... (cherry picked my fav of each from the early weeks of my program).


For comparison, all of last year I probably did 5-6tempo runs and 2 sets of intervals. I better get fucking faster for that pain. I'm still not sure if this is a little early to train/if I'll wear out before race day.

Also a little unsure of actual paces having down 0 fast racing in 9 months (which was the most productive 9 mos of running I've had). I'm sort of assuming an easy 2% improvement in half time based on that. Not sure if that's super cautious or wildly optimistic.

For comparison Last year I went from running 10 miles/mo to 25mi/week for race and set a PR by 10 minutes. Basically I had about 300 miles in teh 12 months prior to the race
This year I'll have about 1,200 miles going from 20/week to about 35week and two ultras.
On one hand I could probably just to Pace/Tempo-ish runs and shave a few minutes. On the other hand maybe I'm reaching my margins.

CN: Dirty has now clue how fast to set his tempos, if they're even worth it, and what he can actually do in the half

And he's whining about running hard again after 9 months of cruisers.


Design
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03/14/18 10:36 AM
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Sounds like you're taking your tempos really hard. Not a bad thing; probably just feels more like "work" than actually getting some enjoyment out of the journey.

I might suggest a couple sessions where you dial it back to 8/10 and see how things go. I usually target a little slower than my 10K pace for 6-8 miles during half marathon training. YMMV.


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03/14/18 11:28 AM
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I think it's more a factor of going soft to get my milage up.

Like I've had months where I've not really left zone 3(and mostly zone 2). So zone 4 efforts are harder than I expect.

That said, Last week I did 2 easy, 3 @ 10km, 1 easy
I had to guess at my 10km pace. I definitely had gas in the tank. I was holding a "reasonably Hard" pace (8/10?). I mean I was happy to be done though. I did intervals 3 days later.


I probably over-did my intervals though (ran 800s at ~mile pace).

I think it's more most runs I used to stop because of time running out. I mean I was happy to be done, but not not waiting for the end. Basically it's all mental.

This weeks tempo would be 5 miles at 10+15s(so 1/2 way between last HMP and hopeful HMP)


schtickaz.ai
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03/15/18 10:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I look at tempos as two quite different possibilities: 20 minute tempo and 40 minute tempo

The 20 minute tempo is a bit closer to 10k capability and the 40 minute is a bit closer to HMP

I can do the 20 minute tempo workout but often the 40 minute tempo breaks my spirit so I don't attempt it but 1x/2x year. Mostly because I don't take the half race seriously and don't mind underperforming hehe.

I suspect (but am not sure) that intervals closer to 5k/3k race pace are far better at increasing your lactate threshold/tolerance so they actually make you faster anyways. The tempo stuff is about mentally learning to suffer/exploring your planned race pace/getting used to it.

Anyways this is just my confirmation bias theory as I can't stand tempos but I can tolerate intervals (track workouts are actually kinda fun tbh)


charlie_td1
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03/19/18 06:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yesterday was the first day that actually felt like spring, so I put in a long run and REALLY surprised myself. Amazing what nice weather will do for you..ran consistent 7:20-7:25 splits and that was with a conscious effort to hold back.

I'm excited for the upcoming race season, but also a bit nervous. There's a lot going on this year (honeymoon, buying a house, potentially starting my MBA), and I am not sure I will be able to dedicate as much time to running as I normally would...


Design
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03/19/18 11:30 AM
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You'll find a way. Every week here is packed with Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, camping, homework, Jujitsu and kids run club. Somehow we find time for a few runs during the week. \:D


In other news, got a new PR at the LA Marathon this weekend. 3:52:40 official time. My fifth attempt and the most fun I've had on the course. Race report to follow.


schtickaz.ai
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03/19/18 11:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Probably the best weather on the course in a decade or more

charlie_td1
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03/19/18 06:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
You'll find a way. Every week here is packed with Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, camping, homework, Jujitsu and kids run club. Somehow we find time for a few runs during the week. \:D


In other news, got a new PR at the LA Marathon this weekend. 3:52:40 official time. My fifth attempt and the most fun I've had on the course. Race report to follow.
I've always wanted to do the LA marathon. My friend ran it as well.

Congrats on the PR! No matter how many you do, a PR always feels great \:\)


Sir Ironpool
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03/20/18 11:38 AM
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Great job Kent. You definitely deserve it with the dedication you’ve put into the training!

Sir Ironpool
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03/20/18 11:43 AM
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My summer hundo training build is going really well. Hitting 60 miles a week with a goal of 250 miles for March. Next month I’ll start upping the vert and hope to hit 300 miles. Next race is a trail half this weekend, then Leona Divide 50 miler on the 14th.

Design
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03/21/18 10:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You're nuts lol. That's some serious training for sure.

Design
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03/21/18 11:48 AM
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Thanks everyone for the kudos. Here's a quick synopsis.

Many of you may have remembered the sh*tstorm I had last year due to malnutrition and overall exhaustion. I used that as a learning experience for this year's marathon. Training over the last four months was pretty straightforward. On weekdays I'd take the kids with me to the gym; weekends I'd train on my own or with the run club.

- Mon: 6-8 mile Tempo @ 70-80%
- Tues: Strength and recovery
- Weds: Tempo, hills or repeats, building week over week
- Thurs: Strength and recovery
- Fri: Rest or easy 4-6 miles
- Sat: Long run
- Sun: Rest or light strength/recovery

My ortho & PT had recommended I also work on strengthening the hips for better running form in the latter miles. I felt this and the consistent tempos made a much bigger impact than previous training plans.

Race day was predictable. Woke up at 2:30 AM, drove to the finish line, took a shuttle to the start. I had learned that from the time I eat at 2:30 AM, to the time I start the race at 7 AM, I need some extra fuel. So this time I scarfed down some fruit and oatmeal at around 5:30 AM. Grabbed photos with the run club and went to the corral. Felt strong and alert, ready to stick to my predetermined pace of 8:45 or so.

Miles 1-3 were frustrating. First, my Garmin had trouble pinpointing a reliable GPS. And my average pace was all over the place. Second, despite being in the corral, it was a crowded start and tough to maintain anything below 11:00 the first 15 minutes. And third, it was 48* lol.

At the end of mile 3 I could feel my hands again. My Garmin was telling me I was about 30-45 sec off my average pace. And the mile markers confirmed I was running slower than I was expecting. It was at this point I threw my hands in the air and decided that I'd run by feel. Mile 4-9 were predictable. Saw a few friends on the course, snapped a few shots. I was having fun but I was feeling a tad faded, and still a little lethargic. So I took in some extra Gatorade at the aid stations, and took an extra gel shot. Boom, that did it.

By mile 10 I was back in my groove. I could tell I was making up time, holding around 8:30-8:45 pace. And my Garmin seemed to be running more consistent. So I forced myself to hold back and keep some in reserve, never dropping below 8:25-8:30. Passed the 4 hour pacers before the midpoint. Kept to the strategy of walking through every aid station. I was losing 10-20 seconds each time; but I'd come out of the gate refreshed and ready to rock the next mile.

Mile 15: Long rolling hill up Sunset Blvd, feeling good.

Mile 16: Downhill, still good.

Mile 17: No wall yet, feeling good.

Mile 18: Still good, but started hitting some rolling hills. Would get faded and then recover shortly after crossing the plateaus.

Mile 19: Mild but loooooong incline. Could feel the calves starting to complain. Took a salt tab. Powered through. Hit a few friends at a cheer station. Snapped a few pics. Gave me the motivation I needed to keep going.

Mile 20-23, Tough... longer stretches of mild inclines. Feeling a little queasy/faded after each one, but course support was AWESOME. There were donuts, beer, bacon, oranges, red vines... you name it, they had it. Pace was starting to slow, but was still doing ok.

Mile 23.5: Hit the run club aid station. My coach had a shot of root beer waiting for me, and reminded me everything from here was downhill. I left feeling refreshed and motivated.

Miles 24-26.2, flew downhill at around 8:35. Hit a mild cramp in the right calf around mile 25. Slowed down and took a salt tab until it subsided. Feet and calves felt heavy, but still feeling relatively good. Walked the last aid station and shot through the last mile at around 8:10-8:20. Finished feeling strong and with a smile, and with some mojo in reserve.

Despite walking through all 22 aid stations and snapping over a dozen photos on the course, I beat my best marathon time by over 7 minutes. And nearly 45 minutes better than last year's marathon.

- Official time: 3:52:40.
- Finisher #2168 of roughly 20,000.
- Finisher #236 in my division.

The combination of the cooler temps, course support, and a commitment to having fun (vs. just going for time) made this the 2nd best marathon to date. The best still goes to marathon #1 lol.

That's all I can think of for now. Thanks for reading.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/18 12:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job!
Me I'm hoping I can get over a cold soon and attempt a quick 5k the last weekend of the month \:D
Have a half in SF in 2 weeks I haven't done any training for which I'm sure will go well


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/23/18 06:31 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. I'm sure you'll rock the 5K. On that half, just go out there and have fun. \:D

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/12/18 11:21 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anybody racing this weekend? Leona Divide 50 miler on Saturday for me. 8k feet of climbing, mostly on the PCT. This is race #4/4 of my Western States build up plan. I’ll be doing the training camp next month (the last 70 miles of the course over 3 days) but I may jump into a 50k at the beginning of May if I can swing it.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/18 01:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just cruised a 12 miler at a 7:28 overall pace. Tempo was fairly consistent except mile 10, apparently I went stupid and ran a 7:13. The run overall felt easy; as always, I had to consciously hold myself back.

I'm not happy with how inconsistent my split times have been as of late.
Usually, I can stay + or - 5 seconds or so of intended pace, but it's been a struggle lately. Yesterday I was hoping to do a shakedown ~5ish miles at a 7:30 to stay loose and I ended up at like a 7:10. This is how I get injured



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04/15/18 10:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice run. I'd guess that'd be a 9/10 for me

Are you sure you're actually varying that much? Gps is temperamental. Also looks like less than 1%. I know consistant splits is the goal for an effort but isn't that pretty fucking close?


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/18 01:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Gotta love those training runs that just feel effortless!

I ran the Leona Divide 50 mile yesterday. Any finish is a good one, but I definitely had to work my ass off for this one!
The race is in the mountains east of Santa Clarita/Magic Mountain. Kind of the high desert ridge areas above the Antelope Valley desert. 45 miles of it was on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was beautiful, but man does it make the idea of a through-hike seem like an impossible task. Miles and miles of remote, exposed and dry trails. We were lucky that it was fairly cool (high was around 80) but there is almost zero shade the whole way.

Race start was 6am, and it’s an almost 2 hour drive from Long Beach, so I was up at 2:45 to head up there. Temps were in the high 30’s, so I grabbed my bib and dozed in the car till the start.
The course starts from a little community called Green Valley, goes 3 miles up the road and dirt road till the first out and back stretch on the PCT heading south. I was taking it easy and chatting with my buddy who was running his first 50 miler. Once on the single track it was a nice long conga line but I didn’t worry about pushing it, or worry about passing or getting passed, just taking it nice and easy and enjoying the cool weather while it lasted. This stretch consisted of two of descents and two big climbs. The first were about 3 miles, the second a bit more. The turnaround was at the end of a long smooth descent, and I hit mile 18 feeling decent, but warm. There were two back to back 9 mile stretches between aid here so I I was carrying two handheld bottles that I filled with water and Fluid electro lite mix. I didn’t carry any nutrition other than salt tabs which I took two per hour. Starting at mile 18 I would use my ice bandana to wipe myself down to get rid of the caked on salt, then fill it with ice. I took my time (maybe 4-5 minutes) and ate lots of calories.
The climb back up and over the mountain was grueling. Just a non-stop grind where you could see every switchback and traverse to the top...which looked really far away. I put my earbuds in and fired up my audiobook and tried to keep my mind off it. I finally reached the top and ran easily down to the road and the aid station. There I repeated things as before and started up and over the next hill to where we would start the 14 mile northerly out and back. There is an aid station at that spot, which is where you can drop to the 50k, hang a left, and cruise down the road to the start/finish area. Historically lots of people do this because it’s the hottest part of the day, and you’ve just climbed 6k feet of vert in 30 miles. I won’t say the thought didn’t cross my mind! My buddy ended up calling it quits there.
The next 14 miles were described as “rolling” which I guess compared to what we’d done was true, but it was definitely a distinct climb and descent each way, with an aid station at the turnaround. There was a 30k and 50k going on at the same time, so there was quite a bit of traffic to deal with, which can be tedious when your legs are fried. It always puts me in a better mood to encourage others, and I needed it big time, so I acknowledged and gave a supportive word to every runner or hiker I encountered. I was doing a lot more walking than I would have liked, but I’m a firm believer in the idea that if you have to walk...walk with a purpose, so that’s what I did. There was no one thing that was bothering me. Sure it was hot, yeah my stomach was cranky, yes my feet were tired and sore and I was chafing quite a bit (the ice melting in my bandana would run down my shirt and onto my shorts where it would dry, leaving a hard crusty layer that defeated the multiple applications of glide I was putting on) but I was still moving at a decent clip and I knew I would be done soon enough. At the turnaround aid station I fueled up on Mountain Dew and watermelon, cooled off with some wet sponges, refilled my bandana, and started trucking back up the mountain. Within a few minutes I caught up to a guy I had ran a good stretch with at Angeles Crest 100 two years ago, and we hiked together for a few miles catching up. We parted ways when I started feeling good enough to do more running than hiking with about 7 miles to go. I took one ibuprofen with 2 hours to go, and another when I was an hour out, which helps to take the edge off the discomfort. (I don’t recommend anyone do this without trying it in training. There can be serious consequences to your kidneys if youre not hydrating properly. I’ve had several years experience using it sparingly with no negative effects, so I’ll continue to do it.
Finally I exited the trail and hit the last aid station, quickly filled my bottles half way (my arms were tired as hell from carrying them all day) , and started down the Jeep road. A mile later, I was on the highway and gingerly jogging downhill to the finish. Crossed the line to some great spectator cheers and received my medal. Time was 10:25 and I was 51st out of 166 starters and 120 finishers.
I walked around a little to keep the legs from cramping up, then hit the road for home, grabbing some Little Ceasars pizza along the way.

Overall I can’t complain about my performance. I’ve been doing this long enough to know that for every great race, you’ll have 3 where it’s nothing but work. I always try to remind myself to look around at all the beauty, interact with my fellow idiots, and appreciate that we GET to do this silly stuff. There are people suffering through much much worse in life, and not because they paid $200 to do it. I’m happy that my body held up really well, and this race gets it that much more ready for the real test come June 26th and August 4th, where I will ask way more if it, and will spend far longer in the pain cave!

As for gear:
I wore my Altra Timp’s, which I race anything longer than a 50k in, and they serve me pretty well. I almost always get a hotspot in the center of the ball of my right foot, the meaty part right below my toes, but it’s only ever become a blister once, during a hundred miler. Might have to try lubing that spot, or even taping it.
Socks were the tried and true injinji crew length.

Shorts were my new favorite Zoot PCH board shorts. Not too long, not too short, and they fit me perfectly.

Shirt was the same Patagonia Nine Trails shirt I’ve been using all this year so far. It’s polyester, but super soft without the feel of a normal tech shirt. Most importantly it’s a good fit on my dad bod.

Hat was a Boco technical trucker. Love their stuff so much I actually became a brand ambassador for them this year.

I carried two of the camelback Podium Chill insulated 21oz handhelds. They were enough for even those 9 mile stretches, kept ice for a decent amount of time, and have two pockets on each so I dont have to put stuff in the my shorts pockets, which I don’t like.

I’ve been using Metasalt tablets and they seem to work well. Not a single cramp in this race.

Watch was my Garmin 920xt. No complaints after 3 years of daily use.

Music/audio book was from a Sandisk Clip and Phillips earbuds. I’ve been using this same combo for a good 5-6 years now. I have to replace one or the other every couple, but they’re both cheap and work perfectly for my needs.





charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/18 08:53 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Nice run. I'd guess that'd be a 9/10 for me

Are you sure you're actually varying that much? Gps is temperamental. Also looks like less than 1%. I know consistant splits is the goal for an effort but isn't that pretty fucking close?
I think I can do better; I can remember parts of the run where I was surging and slowing. It doesn't help that the area around me is somewhat hilly and makes for difficult pacing.

Chris:
Good fucking god that looks insane. I don't know how you do it, man, that is an incredible effort! 7710 ft of elevation gain!? lol fuck that


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/18 11:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
04/18/18 02:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
Just cruised a 12 miler at a 7:28 overall pace. Tempo was fairly consistent except mile 10, apparently I went stupid and ran a 7:13. The run overall felt easy; as always, I had to consciously hold myself back.


Great job man. At this rate you're pretty much on track for a BQ with whatever race you choose. \:D

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I always try to remind myself to look around at all the beauty, interact with my fellow idiots, and appreciate that we GET to do this silly stuff. There are people suffering through much much worse in life, and not because they paid $200 to do it.


Words to live by. Way to tough it out Chris.


Kevin Returneth
(Jr Poster)
04/18/18 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice updates ^^
me I'm on a downswing with the running, trying to work through some allergy/flu/respiratory problems i think or I'm just going through a low-performance phase where things just arent working out. slugged out a 1:48:nn half in SF which is around 5-10m slower than where I thought I'd be, but I wasnt having a good day at all.

Oh well. Still focusing on the 5k/mile for the year. I hope to break through some arbitrary unit-based time goals heh still in spite of the seeming setback. I mean shit I seem to be slower based on this half than I was 2 years ago at the race where I went faster on the hillier version of the SF half. They dropped the first big hill out and flattened out the course a bit this year [still like 700' vert, I know not much but whatever]. I'm starting to think my half goals are a bit unrealistic given that I havent been training anything really outside 5k/base stuff and no runs longer than 5-7 for the last year while trying to recover from some chronic lower body issues.

Oh well! I think my next race is either a 5k or a mile. Experimenting with a new allergy drug trying to get over this allergy-induced performance problem I think I've replaced my flu-performance problem with


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 08:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So to give you an idea of where my consistency USUALLY is at...

minus mile 2 (woops), this is on par with what I expect of myself. Recovery run, just keeping things loose, as my calf was a bit tight the other day:


Kevin Returneth
(Jr Poster)
04/19/18 10:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Seems like you are running your recovery/easy runs way too fast. That looks like current MP or so. Maybe good if this is 'race pace' training [current capability]

Then again the fastest person I follow does nothing but 40 minute tempos with every.single workout (HMP -10s or so) and regularly podiums mass half races and has a 1:17 PR, eg a good day for her could buy an OTQ

What I mean, is, the mental energy required to 'tempo everything' is substantial. If you can hack it, why not. But for pure aerobic development, easy runs seem like a superior use of time. Tempos ARE important too, ofc. Maybe 80/20 or thereabouts [pfitz/daniels/etc]


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice and steady for sure, and in my opinion is a critical part of a BQ. The minute you start playing that game on race day of having to speed up to make up for a “slow” mile is when shit starts falling apart. Thats exactly what happened in my second attempt. Decided to follow the pacer and after two miles a good 20 seconds slower than the average pace I needed, I said fuck it and blasted off for a mile to get caught up to where I needed to be. That of course bit me in the ass at mile 21 where I blew up and limped it in for a 3:20. My successful BQ has me running my goal pace from start to finish. I’d have to check, but other than on one big hill, my pace stayed within 2-3 seconds the whole way.

Oh, and like I said in your other post, I’m a firm believer in train like you race. Run race pace as often as you can! Long slow miles do not get the body ready for running at redline for 3 hours.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 10:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Kevin Returneth
Seems like you are running your recovery/easy runs way too fast. That looks like current MP or so. Maybe good if this is 'race pace' training [current capability]

Then again the fastest person I follow does nothing but 40 minute tempos with every.single workout (HMP -10s or so) and regularly podiums mass half races and has a 1:17 PR, eg a good day for her could buy an OTQ

What I mean, is, the mental energy required to 'tempo everything' is substantial. If you can hack it, why not. But for pure aerobic development, easy runs seem like a superior use of time. Tempos ARE important too, ofc. Maybe 80/20 or thereabouts [pfitz/daniels/etc]
3:18 PR was after a HARD meltdown and limping in. 7:30-7:45 is my more realistic easy pace. I am running tempo at 6:50ish:


Kevin Returneth
(Jr Poster)
04/19/18 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ah that sounds better then

https://www.runnersworld.com/workouts/your-vdot-training-number

still, if your tempo pace is 6:50, the tables suggest 8:30 is your EZ pace,
your 5K race pace is about 19:50, 10k 41:20 or so, about a 1:31 half capability and a 3:10 marathoner == race paces

otherwise, every.single marathon program will suggest your easy pace is a bit too hot. But if mileage is low [30-40?] and the spirit is willing, why not.

The reason for easy mileage is because the body has 2 main energy systems, and it seems like even a third. A marathon is like 99% aerobic and building that system is all about easy miles. Race pace/tempo training are also vital, but exclusive tempo/race pace training will short change aerobic development somewhat BUT you will likely reap great benefits if you can handle that kind of workload in shorter stuff like a 10k or half.

Also if mileage is <40 mpw or something I dont think any of this matters. Most of these guides start around 55mpw as the bare minimum where the 80/20 ez/hard ratio starts to be required for most people depending on vaginal tenderness/mental fortitude.

If my vagina weren't so tender I'd try to mostly do tempo runs too because my mileage is so low. They just hurt too much [also probably I have an unrealistic tempo pace]


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

MAXIMUM. ATTACK.

Kevin Returneth
(Jr Poster)
04/19/18 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

somebody really did a solid by putting this together lol:

http://fellrnr.com/wiki/A_Comparison_of_Marathon_Training_Plans


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 12:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Kevin Returneth
somebody really did a solid by putting this together lol:

http://fellrnr.com/wiki/A_Comparison_of_Marathon_Training_Plans

holy shit this is amazing


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/19/18 02:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Got damn! More running, less overthinking!

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/19/18 03:11 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The Art of running

Kevin Returneth
(Jr Poster)
04/19/18 03:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone doing interval training has Paavo Nurmi to thank [blame]

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/18 08:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Just out of curiosity, what mileage do you start carrying hydration? For me, unless it's 85+ degrees out, I usually won't carry any water for anything under 12 or 13 miles. I have a Nathan pack with a 2L bladder, but it's really rare that I drink more than a liter of it, even on the 18-22 milers. My wife on the other hand, crushes water and I think even fills up halfway through her long runs....

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/28/18 09:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Never carry anything on road runs. If they’re long, there’s always a water source within a mile or two of my routes. On the trail, it depends on the conditions...but usually anything over an hour and I’m bringing a handheld.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/18 11:44 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I probably pushed a bit harder than I should have today, but I was feeling REALLY good. 2 mile warmup, then went 4 miles at goal marathon pace, then pulled back to my usualy 7:35ish cadence, and cool down of 1 mile. I'm super happy about this run, although I do not doubt that I will be feeling this tomorrow



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/18 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice work!

My asshole brother texted me this the other day:


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/18 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man, how do you say no to that!?

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
04/29/18 06:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
Man, how do you say no to that!?


Lol, I told him to fuck off at least till after August and my big races are done.

I’m sure I could BQ again, but running sub 7’s for 26 milesis a mental hurdle I don’t know that I don’t know I want to even bother trying!


Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
04/30/18 02:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I had my first 'good' run since Feb and the start of allergy/flu season

an easy 10k where I held on to ~8:10/pace

in truth, it was somewhere between easy and tempo but it felt easy enough so I just kept at it. HR upper 130s. About where I 'raced' my SF half at like a month ago but that was extremely painful. Today it was easy. Still hacking up a little bit, and still doped up on allergy meds but its finally working a bit since I switched to [2] different types to take daily. Couple snot rockets per mile still heh

closed out a 26 mile week [lol] which is an up-tick for me lately [Ive had to do a zero and a 10 mile week in the last month or so]

I cant even do a 10k sub 7:00/mi heh. best effort so far missed that by about 2 mins overall [45:nn]

In fact, a 10K at sub 7:00 [<43:30 ET] would be a huge improvement for me \:D
Just guessing but I dont get under 44 this year in a race/TT

Since I'm just screwing around while my health recovers (??), I did a bunch of 10K easy efforts last week and scattered around 50-53 minutes. Feels good


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/18 10:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Weeee, 306 miles for April!

Shooting for 350 for May.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/18 11:17 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Jebus that's nuts. And nice job Stickaz.




Busy weekend ahead. Kids get to run their 1 mile race (Kids Run the OC). I was planning to sit out the OC Marathon but got asked to pace a half marathon group. Free race entry and parking... why not?
Unfortunately, the big challenge will be running a 12:15 pace for the 2:40 bracket.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/18 02:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah man....that’s a tough pace to nail on flat ground. I power hike at 14 minute miles...I dont think I could comfortably shuffle at 12ish pace!

**DONOTDELETE**
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05/02/18 02:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Pacing: I'm going to have to agree with stickz. My understanding is there really isn't such a thing as too slow for recovery/easy. Like I see a lot of 10-11minute miles from guys placing in ultras. Even altitude adjusting that works out to mid 9s. I'm starting to believe there are 2 paces of slow. LSR actually shouldn't be quite so slow since they're still a training run. But "junk" miles which are solely for the legs? You're looking to rest your cardio system. Active recovery, 115bpm, sort of shit


Hydration: really depends on temp or shade/sun. Generally 75 minutes is my window in spring/fall. Summer as short at 40 minutes (especially if in the sun). I'm a heavy sweater so I bring some sort of sodium (shotblox or nuun normally)

306 in a month, fuck.
I think I'm at 370 for the year. Which is still my best.
I think run AND biking combined I hit 270 in april, lol

Just decided to do a century in 2.5 weeks, lol
Half is 90 weeks out. My milage is good, but specificity training is garbage.

Lol, but I've got some awesome adventures planned/coming up.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/18 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a stomach bug and I'm going to go on a 5-6 mile run today. What's the over/under that I shit my pants?

Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
05/04/18 01:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pretty solid unfortunately I'd bet

me I'm at [5] miles this week, yay. Going to be a tough scramble to get to 20 in the next 3 days heh [esp when I refuse to go over 7/8]


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/04/18 09:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I DIDNT SHIT MY PANTS

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/18 11:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Pacing was a success today. Lots of first timers in our group. Crossed the finish within a minute under goal.

Probably something I'd like to do again. Just a little closer to race pace lol.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/18 06:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Forgive me if you mentioned in a previous post, but were you the pacer? That is something that I think could be a lot of fun once I shift away from trying to BQ and all that nonsense.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/18 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah our run club sponsors a few of the bigger local races. I and another club member did the 2:40 group.

If you get the chance to do, definitely give it a go. Much more fun than I was anticipating.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/18 11:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
Yeah our run club sponsors a few of the bigger local races. I and another club member did the 2:40 group.

If you get the chance to do, definitely give it a go. Much more fun than I was anticipating.
2:40 MARATHON? \:o \:o \:o \:o

EDIT: never mind I scrolled up. I was going to say, holy shit


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/18 11:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design


Pacing was a success today. Lots of first timers in our group. Crossed the finish within a minute under goal.

Probably something I'd like to do again. Just a little closer to race pace lol.


Nice job Kent...that’s pretty damn accurate! How many of your group stuck with you from start to finish?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/07/18 01:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Around 5-6 of the original 15. Picked up a few from the 2:30 group along the way. We paced just fast enough to take it easy up the hills, and cruise real easy the last mile.

Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
05/07/18 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I have a 5K race this weekend /weee.

**DONOTDELETE**
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05/08/18 10:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So...

12 days until a century

Longest ride was 53 miles, ass is a little sore still.

At this point what's better prep:
1 more long slow ride of 50-60
2 shorter/faster rides of 25-30

I sort of feel like my ass would prefer 2 shorter rides.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/08/18 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

There's probably no performance benefit this close to the race, aside from the psychological boost. I say option 2.

Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
05/08/18 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

HAY is IN THE BARN M*FER

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/18 09:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I’d say find a pair of shorts with the thickest pad available!

markw
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/18 01:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Going to start running... I hate running and I haven't been on run in about 18 years.

Wish me luck. Will update.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/09/18 03:11 PM
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markw
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/18 09:36 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow. Running hurts everything. My chest hurts, my legs hurt, my shins are fucking screaming.

I have some learning to do. Wife is joining me next run... we will be doing this. I've never been a runner, but the idea of it is appealing.. going out for a nice relaxing run.



Unfortunately as of now a nice relaxing run feels like death. I look like I'm going to legit die. (not fat, 6ft 180lbs... just not a runner and never have been)


Any tips are greatly appreciated. (oh, and it turns out I cannot run for more than like... 90 seconds as of this point lol... it's sad.)


Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
05/10/18 11:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

2-3 miles is plenty, 2-3 times a week. Slow down, go slower if it really hurts, should be able to hold a conversation when yoggin

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/18 11:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Slow down and walk if you have to.

Focus on establishing a schedule/routine.

Keep the mileage low and gradually build.

Invest in good shoes.


**DONOTDELETE**
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05/10/18 12:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, slow, very slow, go even slower than you think. Just build the habit. It'll take a while to not feel like death

Pretty soon though.


markw
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/18 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for the feedback/tips so far... now...


A friend was just telling me I should be attempting avoid landing on my heels, and try to jog by landing on the balls of my feet... this sounds and feels super awkward... is this really a thing? Have I been doing this wrong my whole life? lol


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/10/18 02:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yes, you generally want to avoid heel striking because it’s an inefficient way for the legs and body to absorb the impact of running. You don’t have to land on the balls of your feet (forefoot) just try to make an effort to land with as much surfacecarea of your foot as possible. Shoes that have a smaller heel to toe drop will help as well.

As for the pain and discomfort....that’s totally normal. Just start slow and easy, and walk as necessary. Following a Couch to 5k program is a fantastic way to ease into it without turning out like Stickaz. \:D


Daffy Cuck
(Poster)
05/10/18 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

also some alternate reports suggest heel striking is not just normal but its probably ideal in the 9:00/mi + range as far as efficiency goes [with a modern EVA foam or whatever maximal shoe this doesnt seem to be correlated to any additional injuries in various studies around 20 mpw for mid-packers]

your body will naturally adjust to mid-sole strikes like the 1500/mid-distance elites you'll see at track meets certainly in the 4:00/mi range and probably naturally around ~6:00/mi or thereabouts as well

not a popular opinion, but seems to pass merit. It's yet another thing that hobbyjoggers dont need to obsess over: you're already probably striding ideally for your capability.

Shocking conclusion: middle age hobby joggers dont stride much like Daniel Komen and probably shouldnt try to

http://running.competitor.com/2014/02/in...n-running_95678

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The big question is, since fast runners are equally efficient with either a heel or midfoot contact point, while most recreational runners are more efficient with a heel-first strike pattern, at what speed does a heel contact lose its metabolic advantage? In a computer simulated study evaluating efficiency, researchers from the University of Massachusetts showed that while running at 7:36 per mile pace, heel striking was approximately 6 percent more efficient than mid or forefoot striking (8). Some recent research suggests that the 6:25 per mile pace is the transi­tion point at which there is no difference in econ­omy between heel and midfoot strike patterns (9). These studies confirm that although highly skilled runners are efficient while landing on their mid or forefeet, the majority of recreational runners are more efficient with a heel-first strike pattern.



charlie_td1
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05/11/18 08:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Go with what's comfortable. Your body will naturally adapt, I find. I used to be a heel striker, but I found that as I became more advanced in my running, the drills and workouts that I did slowly changed me to a midstriker. Don't worry so much about whether to heel strike or whatever. Do some dynamic stretching before, make sure to stretch after, and go nice and easy.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/18 08:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On a different note: I just picked up a chest heartrate monitor...why? I dunno I suppose it'll be interesting to see what my lactate threshold/VO2 max is.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/18 10:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That’s all well and good, but we’re not talking about efficiency with OP, we’re trying to keep him running while minimizing the chance of injury. It’s why Golden Harper started Altra footwear with its zero drop...to reduce injury. Based on personal experience, it works...and I just read an article that Altra has better brand loyalty than any other running shoe brand, so it’s likely working for lots of others too.

No reason to obsess over it OP, just run how it feels comfortable. It never hurts to be constantly evaluating what your body is doing while running though.


 Originally Posted By: no-yield jackhole
also some alternate reports suggest heel striking is not just normal but its probably ideal in the 9:00/mi + range as far as efficiency goes [with a modern EVA foam or whatever maximal shoe this doesnt seem to be correlated to any additional injuries in various studies around 20 mpw for mid-packers]

your body will naturally adjust to mid-sole strikes like the 1500/mid-distance elites you'll see at track meets certainly in the 4:00/mi range and probably naturally around ~6:00/mi or thereabouts as well

not a popular opinion, but seems to pass merit. It's yet another thing that hobbyjoggers dont need to obsess over: you're already probably striding ideally for your capability.

Shocking conclusion: middle age hobby joggers dont stride much like Daniel Komen and probably shouldnt try to

http://running.competitor.com/2014/02/in...n-running_95678

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The big question is, since fast runners are equally efficient with either a heel or midfoot contact point, while most recreational runners are more efficient with a heel-first strike pattern, at what speed does a heel contact lose its metabolic advantage? In a computer simulated study evaluating efficiency, researchers from the University of Massachusetts showed that while running at 7:36 per mile pace, heel striking was approximately 6 percent more efficient than mid or forefoot striking (8). Some recent research suggests that the 6:25 per mile pace is the transi­tion point at which there is no difference in econ­omy between heel and midfoot strike patterns (9). These studies confirm that although highly skilled runners are efficient while landing on their mid or forefeet, the majority of recreational runners are more efficient with a heel-first strike pattern.



charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/18 10:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

^^^ key there is just go with what's comfortable, especially when you're just getting into it.

Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
05/11/18 12:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think the key there is to have a 'realistic' actual/current max HR value for that to be accurate. Lower might produce more realistic results.

Like I've seen #'s from 52-58 without much/any improvement in times [21 ish 5K to low 20 5K], I've seen 182 actual HR in a series of 800 repeats designed to find it, but probably 177 or even 175 is more accurate so I use that. Looking at a performance table based on 5K ET alone it says like 44 lol [which is probably the truth]

The sub-maximal VO2 max estimate is highly dependent on HHR%, so if your HR is lower or significantly lower than what you've entered as your HR max, its going to estimate that your VO2 max is better given that youre running a bit lower than your actual peak HR

in a 5K for instance youre supposed to be able to hit around 93% or so of actual max, maybe a little higher if you're a total masochist


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/11/18 12:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

meh I'll do the lactate threshold test (30 min sustained) and see where I'm at. I just use 220-age to guestimate my max heartrate.

Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
05/11/18 01:07 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

those never work imho

race a 5K at 90-95% [or 100 if you can handle it]

OR follow the warmup + 2 or 3 800s at 100% with a specified rest interval to slam into your HR max [google the 800 repeat max HR protocol]

220-age is likely to be off by 10-20

The '800' max HR protocol is the following:

The key between the intervals is to reach a point where it's your cardio system that hits peak redline and NOT your legs, which is why the order and rest are important:

2 mile warmup, not too easy. Maybe HMP pace or :30s slower or so. You want to be heated from this, but not tired at all
~30s break or something
800 at a track with everything you've got and anything you've been saving all week. Take the first 400 out HARD, dont be a bitch. You should be well under your current mile PR/capability, but a bit slower of course than current 400 PR capability.

The second lap of this 400 is intended to find your true max HR so you have to go for it with everything on lap 2, dont be a bitch or the test doesnt work

sample pacing: if 6:00/mi is your current mile PR, you want to take that first 400 out in the 'Gray Zone' [aka too hard], so like 1:20 or something [faster than you'd want to go out if it was an actual 800 race, you are forcing a red zone event in the 2nd lap, but it cant be too bad that you just fold. Yes for someone with a 6:00 current mile PR, a 2:40 800 is probably impossible, maybe 2:45 tho with proper pacing or so

then :60s break, and get back out there, this time a 400

The 400 you should aim as close as possible to your current 400 capability [obviously you wont get there, but you can probably get within :05s or so]

so CN:
2 mile at HMP or so, maybe up to HMP + :30s/mi
:30s rest
800 balls-to-the-wall max HR test
:60s rest
400 2nd chance to identify max HR with a near-400 maximal effort

If you arent a bitch, the 800 should identify your max HR

if you come up with some lame result like I always do [sub maximal value], promise yourself next time you try this you wont be such a bitch

alternatively, do a lot of data logging and record a hill repeat workout, this surprisingly is pretty likely to catch it, too


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/18 07:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

total side note: I love how half of the descriptors are "don't be a bitch"

I'll have to try this out and see. I'm such a data nerd. How much is all this going to actually change my workouts? probably close to none, but it's really neat to look at


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/12/18 10:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It’s pretty crazy how putting lots of vertical in your training makes road runs feel effortless. \:D

Had an effortless 17 miler down the coast to cap off my very first hundred mile training week. I was actually able to pick up the speed for the last 4 and was barely winded. Damn, I’m feeling like I’m really on the right track for a sub 24 at Western States. Hoping to get 3 more weeks like these, then a nice 2 week taper. I wanna feel like a caged tiger being let loose on that course.



charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/13/18 08:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeaaaahhhh I don't think "lots of vertical" begins to describe the seventy seven fucking hundred feet of vertical gain that you did in that last race. Fuck. that. noise.

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05/14/18 10:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

is 7,500 a lot?

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/18 10:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
is 7,500 a lot?
7,700 feet is just shy of 1.5 miles.


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05/14/18 10:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

but that doesn't answer if it's a lot

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/14/18 12:16 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
but that doesn't answer if it's a lot


On paper, nah. During the race? Hell yeah it was!


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05/14/18 12:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I might have found a 50 finally.

14,500 of vert
in August

What could go wrong


Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
05/15/18 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think I just triggered my troublesome achilles doing a grass yog yesterday [10k @ 8:20/mi], felt easy but today I'm limping a bit and its tender to the touch

ah well, back to the pool tonight


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/19/18 08:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It has been raining. All week. I want sun. I am tired of running in downpours.

Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
05/19/18 07:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

had a decent tempo jog just now, not sure where that came from. A month ago I was totally underperforming but this is... actually.... my 2nd best ever 10k? lol


did about a 47:10 10k, Garmin gave me a Vo2 max += 1 for the effort. woot!

splits:
7:47
7:44
7:33
7:41
7:41
7:20
6:53 last /0.2


/maybe I'm back on the road toward some progress. Had hope to tick off a <20 5K and a <1:40 half this year, but with allergy season I threw those out the window. This one workout has me wondering if I might be able to get back on track for those this year...


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/18 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Those are pretty consistent splits, not bad at all!

Ran 15 today on already tired legs. Not my best, but not my worst; between the humidity today and already sore legs, I was feeling it. Still, fairly consistent splits and my HR was right on target, so I can't be too upset about it.

Mile 1 was also a 7:40, but couldn't get it all on one screen.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/18 10:04 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Had another strong week. Despite rolling my ankle pretty badly running down some steep technical trail on Mt Baldy early in the week and nursing some lingering pain from that, I was able to get some good mid-distance runs in and finished off with 90 miles and 9k feet of vert.

On Friday I head up to Auburn for the three day Western States training camp. 30 miles on Saturday, 20 on Sunday and 20 on Monday. Hoping to hit 100 miles by Sunday.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/18 11:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another good week in the books. 31 on Saturday, 18 on Sunday, and 22 yesterday....all on the last 70 miles of the Western States course. In the final push for another 90+ miles this week, then it’s taper time for the Big Dance on the 23rd.
After this weekends runs, Im feeling very confident about a sub-24.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/29/18 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Bad@ss Chris. You're going to kill it!

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/18 08:49 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been sidelined with a foot injury the past couple weeks; sprained an extensor in my right foot. Frustrating to say in the least, but I'm slowly getting back to it. Ran 5.5 on Saturday, rested Sunday, ran 6.5 yesterday, and hoping to get another 6 or so in today.

Better that it happened now as I am about to take 2 weeks off to go on my honeymoon than be sidelined during real training.

My only concern now is ramping back up once I get back, as the first week back I'm supposed to be at 55 miles.....


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/05/18 06:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sucks to hear man. Hopefully it’s just minor and you’ll be back at it soon.

I’m officially in taper mode and took my first day off from running in a couple months. Started my heat training yesterday with 15 minutes in a 180 degree dry sauna, then 25 minutes today as well. Hoping to get in there every day for the next 2 weeks before heading north for Western States on the 21st.


Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
06/06/18 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

injuries suck and maybe this is because I'm older than you guys but I look at them as a normal part of a years training. I havent been knocked out for at least 4-8 weeks in any of the last 3 years, and am monitoring a chronic achilles condition year round.

no big deal, only doing 20mpw I think I'll live


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/18 06:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Older? I’m 43.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/06/18 09:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm back. Ran 6 Monday, 6 yesterday, 7 today, no pain. Taking tomorrow off and bumping to 12-13 Friday.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/18 10:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good to see this thread is still alive. Man that sucks about the injury, but good to see things seem to be improving.

I ran the Rock n Roll Half this Sunday with a few friends from Team Hoyt. They were short on runners to push the kids in chairs and asked me to help. So I ran with a friend of mine (her son is also in a chair).

Without getting too sappy, I will see these types of events are a great way to give back. Great crowd support and the kids are absolutely stoked to be out there on the course. If you ever get a chance to push, don't hesitate and go do it.



Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/07/18 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That’s pretty damn awesome Kent! I got to see the OG Team Hoyt when I ran Boston the first time and it was amazing.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/08/18 01:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

At the inlaws in Rochester ny before heading out to Alaska. Suuuuper flat, got a pretty consistent pace today:


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06/11/18 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

knee feels super tight after a liesurely stroller push yesterday. Not sure what's going on with that.

Was debating on signing up for a 50miler on a whim, I think I'll bail for long-term health.


Kevin the 800th
(Jr Member)
06/18/18 02:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm entering an all-comers track meet thursday, just doing the mile I think. If I have enough time [have to masters swim that evening, they might run into eachother] I'll double-back and do the 2-mile after it also heh. Will be fun making everyone else wait for me to finish

No real expectations of PR'ing, but I did have an ok set of 8x400 repeats at what I assume is my current mile capability. Didnt feel too hard, the last few reps I think I learned a little bit about suffering at mile pace--just keep going, you're fine basically


Rudi
(Member)
06/19/18 05:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Has anybody else ruled out buying a house because it is not runner friendly and rather dangerous to run on surounding roads (people speed and many blind curves)?
I know I can drive soewhere but it is soo nice just stepping out of the house and running.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/18 08:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So uh wtf. I take 2 weeks off for the honeymoon, where I was active almost every day of it, and I come back to run 6 miles, and I am struggling at an 8:00 pace. Heart rate is up in the 170s, whereas I was cruising in the 7:20 for 13 miles 2 weeks ago...
Can 2 weeks really make THAT much of an impact? I'm wondering if it's more that I seem to be fighting off a cold and the weather has turned into a hot, humid soup...but damn, it's got me doubting myself pretty bad now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
06/28/18 06:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, you didn’t lose any fitness man, body just needs to shift gears again. Give it a few workouts and you’ll be back to normal.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/01/18 01:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

was supposed to do 15 today. Slept in because we were at a wedding last night. Error 1: drank a bit last night, didn't properly hydrate.
Woke up at 8:30 AM, laid around, didn't get on the road til 11:30ish.
Error 2: It is now 90 degrees.

This is, by far, the hardest run I've had all season. I barely..BARELY eeked out 14 miles at a 8:20 overall pace, and by the time I was done, the temp was 95 with a realfeel of 101. I am fucking stupid.


SJP0tato
(Member)
07/08/18 12:55 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The work your body has to do cooling you down definitely makes your pace feel faster than it is.
It depends on the individual, but there's calculators out there that give equivalent pace/temperature indexes.

Nice part is if you stick with it through the summertime, you'll get some free speed benefits come fall/winter.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/08/18 04:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, I'm with you. This weekend was amazing weather, and I got a solid 16 miler in. Dead on consistent with my pacing; got 6 miles in at marathon pace as well.



Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/15/18 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Let's talk vests.

Right now I am running with a water bottle belt thing, and it only holds 20oz, which I burn in the first 5 miles. I have to navigate my runs based on where I can get a refill. What vests are you guys using that doesn't sway with the changing weight as you run and drink? Chris, is your Ultimate Direction AK vest still holding up?


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07/16/18 11:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Using UD, I think Ak. It's a bit bulky.

I think two are key. Go small and breathable af for one.

Then if you really need to carry shit, get a large one, JUST big enough for gear.

I find my back is sweaty AF, like buckets of sweat, from my vest. I'd rather use my hand-held anywhere I can. Pre-hydrate, fill handheld with NUun, run till it's drained, refill with water. That'll get me through reasonable road run.

Off trail I'll still revert to vest (first aid, possibly PLB, bivy). I'm about to add a filter straw(i've used aquamira as it's fast acting) as even in the summer most of our streams run. If I had to the vest will carry a decent bladder(70oz?) and two 11 oz bottles with ease.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/18 08:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Okay, so I think I went small and ventilated and got the Nathan VaporAir. I got it from Fleet Feet and gave them my whole paycheck to measure my feet as well. I wanted a good trail running shoe and ended up with the New Balance Hierro V3.

I know I have stated here many times I am going to train for an ultra but always fall through. But I've finally finished Residency and I really believe I have the time to dedicate to train. I am holding myself to competing in the Overlook 50k in September. I have a training calendar I am following religiously, and I am planning on starting to incorporate trail running next week (right now a pretty much all pavement).

Anyway, thanks for the continued advice everyone. 74 days to go.


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07/17/18 11:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

12 weeks? nice
Sign up

What's your weekly mileage?

FWIW I signed up for a 50k on something like 20mi/week average(and a fair bit of cycling). I think even peak I hit like 30 mpw (+2 hr/week cycling & 1 hike every other).

I'd say a bit of hiking can and even 20% trail miles can turn a marathoner into an ultra-dork.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/17/18 11:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I logged 28 miles this past week, with one day being hill work and an 11 miler for my long run. And realistically about only 20-30% of training miles will be trail miles. Just the logistics of having kids and a job.

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07/18/18 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeha I understand the kids and jobs angle. I'm sort of plateauing around 30-ish because of time.

I'd say you're in good shape with 12 weeks.

Don't be afraid to just hike either. I struggled to keep my weekly mileage high so I was cautious about big spikes in training due to my PF. So when I had the a small window I looked at other ways to train my legs but keep the ipact lower.. One of my most productive weeks I took a 4day weekend, ran 20+, hiked 12-15 for 3 days after. I attribute that with alot of my comfort with ultras.

I mean most these events the mid pack is 12 minutes (or more). So get comfortable slow jogging/walking hills. The climbing doesn't need to be fast but you need to get a feel for how it feels to run after a day of climbing.

Also, don't be afraid to peak early. I totally peaked 5 weeks before my race. Better than coming in fried.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/18/18 07:37 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FUCK. Recurring achilles issues have flared up in a BAD way. Sunday, about 8 miles into a 15 miler, my right achilles started to tighten up and hurt, and was super tight for the rest of the day. I rested on Monday, and did 8 with some strides yesterday..yeah, 4 miles into it the pain came back.
Smart thing to do is to stop for the rest of the week and just rehab it...it is frustrating to say in the least. I was really feeling strong with the volume and intensity that I've been running; I am supposed to do 62 miles this week. \:\(


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/18/18 10:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ITS NOT MY ACHILLES. Woop. It's a Soleus strain, which thank god, is a lot easier to recover from than an Achilles injury.

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07/18/18 02:39 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My achilles started acting up when I through in altra road shoes into my rotation.

Apparently I'm fine with zero drop for off-road, but I need my drop on-road.

Finally able to actively recover it back to 90%. Now it occasionaly is sore in the morning but loosesn up. I'm working on full posterior chain tightness as part of my self-diagnosis. (I've always been tight as fuck in my hammies).


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/22/18 12:41 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

First time running since Tuesday...ran 5 miles at a very slow pace...a tiny bit tight, but encouraged, none the less. Hope to be back at 100% soon; I cannot afford to take too much more time off.

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07/24/18 11:00 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Welll... this will be fun

 Quote:
Race all the way around Mt. St. Helens!
Volcanic 50 is a rugged, remote, and challenging 50K+ course run entirely on single-track trails, circumnavigating Mt St Helens. All but 4.5 miles are run on the Loowit Trail. Racers scramble over boulder fields, cross rivers, run through the blast zone, as well as through dense forest – all with ever-changing views of the volcano. The course is 32 miles and feels more like a 50-miler. In all, this Mt St Helens race has approximately 7400 ft of elevation gain and 7400 ft of loss. It’s tough, but so are you!

Due to the remote, mountain environment and challenging aspect of this course, it is required to have completed at least a 50K race prior to race day. You will enter a link to your previous 50K result during the registration process.

Anticipate a finish time more like a 50-miler than a 50K.




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07/24/18 11:28 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So ultrasignup hasn't calculated me a target yet.

But my "rank" in other races slots me in between an 8:13-8:14 finishing time(so in theory that's what their system will calc for me)

Given the ramp up in training I'll shoot for 8, but if the heat is bad I'll assume 9. Cut off at teh 24mile aid station is 9 hours.



charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/25/18 08:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9.6 miles yesterday, not a single twinge of pain. Time to ramp back up

SJP0tato
(Member)
07/28/18 09:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

What headlamps are you guys using for nighttime trail runs?

A friend convinced me to join her Ragnar trail team for November, and I know it'll mean some nighttime running.

I've got a Black Diamond Spot from a couple years back (130 lumens), is that good enough, or will I appreciate the money spent on the latest & greatest?


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/18 09:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

130 lumens is fine; I've run 4 Ragnar's and I have a similar output headlamp. If you're worried, bring a small hand held flashlight as well, and you'll be good to go.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/29/18 09:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I am really lucky where I live. Less than an hour and I can be in Tahoe running trails.

Today I did my first ever true trail run and it was brutal towards the end. First half was ~1300ft descent and I was cruising, but coming back that same 1300' on the way up was just killer. I had to walk a few times just to catch my breath. I usually train at sea level and this was at 5000' elevation. Also the Redding fire is still pumping out a lot of smoke even this high up.

The vest worked out great. And I am glad I had it. Ended up drinking 3L of water in the whole workout and still chugged another bottle when I got back to the car. I never saw another human the whole trail, and glad I didn't see a bear. I guess they are pretty common on the pioneer trail in the afternoon.

I'm gonna stick to road miles for my next two long runs, and probably aim for a long trail run every 3 weeks.




Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/18 12:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: SJP0tato
What headlamps are you guys using for nighttime trail runs?

A friend convinced me to join her Ragnar trail team for November, and I know it'll mean some nighttime running.

I've got a Black Diamond Spot from a couple years back (130 lumens), is that good enough, or will I appreciate the money spent on the latest & greatest?


I’ve had my Petzl Tikka RXP for 5 years and love it. Petzl just sent me a replacement strap for it free of charge as it was the only part that’s ever worn out. USB charging, swappable batteries, and the reactive technology is awesome. One battery has lasted me through every hundred miler I’ve done.

I think it’s been replaced with the Reacktic:
https://www.backcountry.com/petzl-reacti...3hoC4ZAQAvD_BwE


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/18 12:27 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Don’t sweat it man, hiking/walking is just a normal part of trailruning when any significant vert is involved..at least for us mortals. \:\) It’s always easy to pick out the new transfers from road running at an ultra/trail race. They’re the the ones charging ful steam up the first hills, then getting passed as they die later in the race.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/30/18 06:35 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

whewww I don't know how you trail guys do it...I'll stick to my roads, thanks \:D

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07/30/18 11:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

On out down/back up is brutal! You never realize how much muscle work you're doing down hill but the downs (eccentric contractions) are huge amounts of work and really take their toll on your muscles. Then having to charge back up on tired legs? Yeah

Don't underestimate the air of 5k feet. either. And the pack weight.

A trail half for your first true trail run is gnarly.


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07/30/18 11:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wrapped up a nice hike/run Friday as my last prep for this weekend's 50km. Basically only 7 days of "taper" since the 50km is sort of training for septembers 50M.


South Sister climb: 6 miles from 4k to 10k as a "hike" with friends and then the long way jog back down(10) with 2 miles screw slope and 2 miles of off-trail. Had to carry about 10-12lbs of gear for safety. Total for the day: ~18miles, 6k+ of vert, and tons of time at altitude.
Ps this is a GREAT hike if you're in the Bend area.

Next Saturday: 32m and 7k of vert


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
08/02/18 01:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Wow, that's a lot of vert, but your gonna feel amazing after your done feeling tired, lol.

Can you explain tapers, I have heard people talk about it, but not really clear of it or when to do it.


charlie_td1
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08/02/18 09:46 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tapering before a race is common. For example, my current marathon training plan is 18 weeks long. The last 3 weeks of the plan are "taper", where it goes from your normal training weekly mileage to a gradual lower mileage. It allows your legs rest and be "fresh" for the race whilst maintaining that peak performance that you've obtained from the training. If you see the image below, my taper begins in week 16. Week 15 I'm at 68 miles, 16 I'm down to 55-57, Week 17 I'm down to 43, and race week I'm primarily running to stay loose.



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08/02/18 10:37 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Wow, that's a lot of vert, but your gonna feel amazing after your done feeling tired, lol.

Can you explain tapers, I have heard people talk about it, but not really clear of it or when to do it.

Yeah, my quads are slowly getting beastly from these hilly weeks. Like my goto route is dead flat. Vert for the year is about to cross 50k tho


Tapering: resting/recovery/saving engergy up to a race. No hard work outs. Just a few "jogs" to stay loose, maybe some fartleks, but nothign actualy hard. Presume the "hay is in the barn" and that any training benefits this late are minimal and the risks of injury or just being tired will decrease performance. I saw someone describe racing as the celebration of your training.
Different schools of thought on length. But normally it's ~1 week for a half, 2-3 for a full. It probably varies on teh type of training though.

I'm definitely cutting it short doing a long/hard day only 8 days before a "race" but this race is a form of extra training for me. NO PRs, no big aspirations.


charlie_td1
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08/08/18 09:08 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yesterday was by far and away the worst run I've had all training season. Holy shit. 10 miles, 5@15k to half mrathon pace, which is 6:35-6:45 min/mile. I was wildly inconsistent in my warmup, and I could BARELY muster a 6:55 for 2 of the 5, and I was pushing WAY harder than I should be. I was at 5k effort to get that out. I know weather has a lot to do with it, as it was 85% humidity and 80 degrees, but I am very discouraged and more tired than I should be, given I have a 14 miler today after work.



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08/08/18 02:48 PM
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That's pretty high heat index, I wouldn't beat yourself up over that.

Also, anychange you're overdoing it? Like I seem to remember you doing a lot of fast-ish miles. Have you checked your resting heart-rate?


50km went well, Ended up with 8:40 which was slower than ultrasignup calculated time, but sort of where I expected. I thought about "taking it easy" for 9 hours, but there was no taking it easy on this course. I came out of the gates a little hot through the first aid station, lots of sunny/warm miles, lots of boulders. I feel sorry for the folks backpackng this loop. It was hard enough with a running vest.

I get very sore in my muscles on these events. Trying to figure out if I was lightly cramping or what. Normally I feel better if I stop, but who wants to stop. Maybe this is just normal lactic build up/not enough weekly miles.


Legs feel about 80% recovered. I did 4 yesterday, 5 today. the heat sucks lately(100 later today) plus air quality watch.


I'm debating on a 40 miles solo day in 2 weeks time (and a 50m 3 weeks later).


charlie_td1
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08/09/18 09:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

nice job on the 50k! The thought of an ultra is mildly intriguing, but I can't imagine training for one. I have a hard enough time just getting through this marathon training program.

My resting heart rate this morning was 51, which is right where I usually am. I've slowed down the pace overall as my mileage has gone up significantly. I still speed it up on my quality pace days, which that 10 miler on Tuesday was representative of.

Yesterday I had a 14 mile mid-long run, and again, my effort was WAY high for what I was running, and by the end of it I was back on that struggle bus. Then again, it was 90 degrees when I started...I'm hoping it's just the weather that's taking a toll on my pace. It'll be super frustrating if I've lost speed, as I have not been doing 400-800 intervals since I started this program.


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08/09/18 09:48 AM
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I really think it’s the heat. Are you judging effort on hr or feel. Either will suffer a lot.

Come fall you’ll feel like a rocket

My watch had a performance index and I can see it suffer in summer(especially with more miles) and then bounce back in fall.
Don’t beat yourself up.

50km is baby ultra. It’s just a really slow marathon with a few extra jogged 5kms. No more training than full I’d guess. Maybe more hills and a slower runs.

Course record on last weeks race: 9:50. My 30tg percentile pace 16. Lol


charlie_td1
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08/09/18 09:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Effort is based on HR. I was at average 165 yesterday, when I should have been at 145-155.

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08/09/18 10:14 AM
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Yeah I totally get like a 20bpm bump in hot weather. Like it starts off less but as I get warm. Don't go only on HR (or just suffering), like how hard are you breathing, how do you legs feel. Odds are you don't FEEL like you're working that hard(even if the heat makes it sort of miserable). This is a known shortfall of HR.
Sleep can even effect the HR, so don't overly rely on it. It's an unreliable tool. (I use it a lot too I'll admit)


charlie_td1
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08/09/18 12:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

No, I was definitely feeling every single bit of the increased effort But I'm going to chalk it up again to heat, humidity, and just being on tired legs like you're supposed to be whilst marathon training

stickaz_old
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08/17/18 12:47 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Summer heat easily adds 1:00/mi to all my paces, if not more

9 miles this week, I think like 3 last week. Nailing it


charlie_td1
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08/19/18 09:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm SUPER happy with my run this morning. The humidity dropped, and so did my split times. Average heartrate was sitting at like 151, and I was holding back big time. Really encouraged by how consistent and strong I felt today. Next sunday is 16 with 12 at pace, so we'll see how I feel.




Corytrade
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08/19/18 07:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Man your are a consistent machine on these runs. Awesome job. You said you are trying to BM qualify right?

Totally separate subject: how do you guys deal with having to take a shit on your long runs. Real talk. I do a lot of my long runs on base, where there are a lot of portajohns. But seriously, even if I go before my run, at about mile 5-8 I start getting GI spasms and it becomes an emergency quick. I may need to analyze my diet a bit more, but not sure if that is the trigger. I might need to ask my doctor for a scopolamine patch or something. Anyone else with similar issues?


charlie_td1
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08/20/18 07:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks; it's taken a lot of work to get here, but I am overall happy with the progress.

Yep, I am hoping to qualify for Boston; REALLY hoping for a 3:00:00.

Ah, the long run shits. I've trained my body to poop before a run. Diet wise, the day before a long run I try to eat as clean as possible: lean meats and complex carbs, light on the fiber. Even then, I've had to dive into the woods and go mid run before...I always take a handful of TP with me just in case.

What is your diet like?


stickaz_old
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08/24/18 01:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tangent:
I seem to be on a continued downtrend, some health probs, got sick again/cold symptoms/allergies/annoying

Hoping to reset my mile/5k/10k and half prs before year end but not looking good. Haven't had a >20 mile week since before my 70.3 a month ago lol. Travel to India appears to have beaten the snot out of me.
I have had a few good 10k tempo runs around 46 flat so for me that seems like I'm on track but who knows.
On the plus side my injuries are all pretty much quiet and my Achilles is barely noticeable and I never limp in the morning anymore.

Struggle is real over here In my AG
I need to get some hard workouts back in but am too sick to even get basic mileage in right now. I *might* hit 20 this week if I skip a swim and bike workout. I really wish I had the health to do a 3x1 mile workout at 5k rp right now on 60s rest, but I'd probably vomit/vertigo/collapse. I could jog a 5k I guess and just get another easy workout in.


Sir Ironpool
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08/24/18 10:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I always carry a ziplock with baby wipes on my longer runs. I also know several people that take Imodium before long runs or races.

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Man your are a consistent machine on these runs. Awesome job. You said you are trying to BM qualify right?

Totally separate subject: how do you guys deal with having to take a shit on your long runs. Real talk. I do a lot of my long runs on base, where there are a lot of portajohns. But seriously, even if I go before my run, at about mile 5-8 I start getting GI spasms and it becomes an emergency quick. I may need to analyze my diet a bit more, but not sure if that is the trigger. I might need to ask my doctor for a scopolamine patch or something. Anyone else with similar issues?


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08/27/18 11:40 AM
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I've had some serious bear attacks over the years (in fact yesterday).

I've taken to having my coffee/oatmeal before a run, shitting early. I tend not to each much leading up. STill occasionally have to.

I find running regularly seems to reduce it. Like it keeps everything moving daily.

But yeah, Mr mom isn't wrong to carry wipes. They can clean up a lot. Even without GI they can bum-shower you up.


Last week was tough, family shit disrupted my schedule and then I had liek 0 energy on saturday. Which was a wide open training day. Bounced back and took the stroller for an easy 11 mile push on Sunday at least. Finally no smoke in the air and finally normal-ish temperatures.


stickaz_old
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09/05/18 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I lobbed a growler into the bushes next to a HS track over the weekend. Always seems to happen when I stress out over a hard-ish effort such as a track workout #meganslist

$boom

Wiped with what was either oak leaves or poison oak #sustainable

My running is completely off plan now, have a scheduled 5k race, 10k, and a half still on the calendar this year and not expecting much.


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09/05/18 01:34 PM
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My running is off plan too.

Only an 80k next weekend and a 21k in November left


charlie_td1
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09/06/18 11:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm still on track. Yesterday's heat index was 102....15 miles. Not my smartest decision...I thought I could handle it by pulling back on the pace a little bit, but the weather absolutely broke me. Can we guess where I hit the wall? (Moving time=Split times)



I definitely think I had heat exhaustion. I got home, tried to cool down and eat, but I couldn't really muster an appetite. Nausea, cramping, headache...eh. I think I lost something like 3 lbs in water weight, too. Thank god I have a short recovery run today...


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09/06/18 12:26 PM
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I'm actually less nervous/more resigned that this 50m may go very badly.

Like I've been fighting some fatigue off/on for the last 6 weeks. I'm not sure I fully appreciated the recovery from the last 50km. It was much harder than prior ones (50% slower). Add in lots of heat (yay new record of days >90 degress), wildfire smoke(sure run 5 miles when it's "red" air quality) and I'm "tapering" at this point.

CN: swirls either overtrained or is a wuss. Possibly both


stickaz_old
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09/07/18 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm starting track workout s again
Did 3x1 mile repeats at 10-15s slower than last year, with additional rest and it hurt more

Hopefully this is just a summer cold and cold medicine sluggishness

Either way, I will get a track workout in every week. Still pretty convinced I can't get within :60s of my 5k PR from last year, but might as well start to fake it like it might happen
The sum of my biking and running YTD is normal for the last 4 yrs, so who knows, just need to shake the rust off


charlie_td1
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09/07/18 07:58 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



12 miles with 7 at a bit faster than 15k pace (first 2 were just getting into my stride), and I definitely had more left in the tank. Got caught in a thunderstorm the last mile and a half, but all in all I am really happy with this run in both pace and consistency. It rained earlier and the temperature dropped like 10 degrees.


stickaz_old
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09/08/18 10:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I wonder if them talents are better suited to middle D up to maybe the 5k?

Good stuff man


charlie_td1
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09/09/18 02:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Stickaz
I wonder if them talents are better suited to middle D up to maybe the 5k?

Good stuff man
Maybe; never really gave it too much consideration. Right now I'm 100% focused on getting to Boston, but afterwards, it could be fun to see what my 1 mile/5k/10k PRs can get down to. I think it'd be a nice change of pace...wouldn't have to schedule my life around my running.

Today was the longest run of the training plan. It felt OK; definitely still a bit tired from Friday's workout. It took a while to really feel comfortable, and my consistency mile to mile was not that great, but I am happy that I had negative splits (for the most part). Not my best by a long shot, but not my worst.


stickaz_old
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09/10/18 11:14 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Are you racing your long runs? (170 HR is what for you? 88% MHR?)

I thought long runs we're supposed to be comfortable. What do I know tho. I think more advanced plans have this, eg Galen Rupp does a long-fast run in the 4 weeks before a key race


charlie_td1
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09/10/18 11:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Stickaz
Are you racing your long runs? (170 HR is what for you? 88% MHR?)

I thought long runs we're supposed to be comfortable. What do I know tho. I think more advanced plans have this, eg Galen Rupp does a long-fast run in the 4 weeks before a key race
No, race pace for me is somewhere in the 6:55 range, I think.
The max HR spikes and higher avg HR are probably due to elevation gains. The last 3 or so miles of my long run route are pretty much dead uphill. It sucks.
Mile 2 max hr is not valid. For some reason, my hr monitor goes nuts for a bit before accurately reading. The other day it said my HR was something like 220 lol death



charlie_td1
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09/14/18 07:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Another strong run tonight. 2.5 warmup, 15k race, 1.6 cool down.

15k: 59:27, 6:22 overall. SUPER encouraged, last mile was hard as fuck but holy hell am I happy with this pace. VDOT chart says my estimate is a 2:57 marathon...:o \:o \:o \:o


charlie_td1
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09/14/18 09:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

holy shit. I just found out that I just got an extra 5 minutes.
I'm 34 now, but will be 35 during the 2020 Boston Marathon. Qualifying times are determined by your age AT THE TIME OF THE RACE. Oh man, I am so stoked
That being said, 3:00 is still my goal


Corytrade
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09/15/18 10:19 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
Thanks; it's taken a lot of work to get here, but I am overall happy with the progress.

Yep, I am hoping to qualify for Boston; REALLY hoping for a 3:00:00.

Ah, the long run shits. I've trained my body to poop before a run. Diet wise, the day before a long run I try to eat as clean as possible: lean meats and complex carbs, light on the fiber. Even then, I've had to dive into the woods and go mid run before...I always take a handful of TP with me just in case.

What is your diet like?


 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
I always carry a ziplock with baby wipes on my longer runs. I also know several people that take Imodium before long runs or races.


Ah, poor followup on my post. So my diet on the day before my long runs varies. I have gone complex carbs all day with just some protein, and then other times I am a glutton and will eat ice cream the night before a long run. Either way it seems like I am having to shit the next day during my long run. I think though I really need to reflect on my diet during the whole week, because I'll eat garbage (candy, pie, chips, etc.) during the week and try to go clean the day before the long run. That's really my issue probably. I have started doing a lot more salads, trying to add some ruffage into the diet, and I have been doing bagels daily for breakfast to try and keep my carb ratio high in my diet. I think if I just remove more of the snack/junk food, I will have more control...I hope.

I like the loperamide idea, because it has no systemic effects that lomotil or the scopolamine patch would cause. Thanks.

In other news I had to move my 50k back 5 weeks. Two reasons really, my wife just found out she has to be TDY on the event date, plus I am not sure if my training is at a level I want it to be for a clean finish. I am at ~35 miles per week, and while I am sure I can muscle through a 50k, I think a few extra weeks wont hurt. So now I am focusing on the Mt. Tam 50k (North of SF) on Nov. 3. Hell or highwater I am finishing one by years end.


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09/16/18 04:42 AM
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50 miles
12,400’ vert (according to RD)
12 (maybe more)wasp stings
1 shit behind a log
2 toe nails probably gone
4 miles of Headlamp running
33 degree starting line


Corytrade
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09/16/18 02:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Put like that, most people would say why. But besides the stings, I can feel the gratification from completing it. Awesome job man.


On a separate note, I could not believe my eyes running today. About 100 yards up from me on my run today I saw a person run down under a running path bridge. I was confused why as there is no trial there. As I got closer I saw a girl quickly pulling up her pants. I adverted my eyes, but as I got even closer my nose advised me to just what happened. Vindication men, we are not alone.


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09/17/18 10:43 AM
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Lol, i'd written that 6 hours after finishing, after 3 hours of drive, and after 20 hours of being awake.

It was hard. But awesome. Most people shouldn't do it.


stickaz_old
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09/20/18 07:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Y eah fuck that lol. But good job

Sidenote: not sure I can race the half distance anymore after swearing off runs over about 10k for about 18 months now. Perhaps not a huge surprise

Oh well seem to have been the cost of getting my Achilles healthy. Totally worth it

Ran a pretty shit half yesterday and was having all kinds of niggles lol. Stopped like 4 times for water, nbd I was planning on it but I dunno. Maybe it was the heat that got to me. Just lack of practice at the distance recently I guess


Corytrade
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10/01/18 12:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran my longest run to date today. 20 miles, did it in 3:05, for a ~9:15 pace. But that is a little deceiving, the first 15 miles were at an ~8:30 pace, and the last 5 miles things started to fall apart. I am sure it was a mix of poor sleep from having the kids solo this week, and shorter training sessions for the same reason. I was doing 1 GU/Waffle every 5 miles and hydrating as normal, just hit the wall early. I am actually glad I had this experience, so it would give me an idea of how it would feel if it happens on race day. I need to keep it a bit slower in the beginning, I am think 9:00/mile, so if the wall does come, it is later than mile 20.

I will do a 15-16 mile run next week, then a 24-25 miler the week after that, and then taper down until my 50k race on Nov. 10. Excited and nervous.


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10/01/18 01:24 PM
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FWIW, that's faster than I run long shits.

I run SLOW

Like 9 for easy runs
closer to 10s for LSRs

The thing is most 50ks aren't going to go much faster than 10 if you're new or it's flat. Don't beat yourself up in training.

just my opinion.


stickaz_old
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10/02/18 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol if I went first 15 miles at 8:30 in anything that's like a race pace workout for me. (Current half PR is 1:43 from a year and a half ago back when I did more of that stupid distance stuff)


I'd consider a run like that proof I'm good to go. I can't tolerate more than like 6 miles at planned half RP

For a thon right around 13-14 miles at RP is a virtual destructor workout imo

Like doing 3x1 Mile repeats at current 5k capability on 60s rest is a tremendous ly hard workout. Most cheat and add :10s/ mi to survive


charlie_td1
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10/03/18 11:59 AM
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fuck that. I do a full 2-3 min rest between 1200-1600m 5k repeats. I did 11 miles with 5x1200m@5k repeats last night, and it destroyed me.

10 tonight. 14 tomorrow. 8 Saturday. Last real long run, 20 miler, on Sunday. THEN WE BEGIN TO TAPER.


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10/03/18 06:38 PM
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I'm already thinking about "what next"?

/ultra sickness


Corytrade
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10/04/18 12:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

American River 50 miler.

Corytrade
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10/04/18 12:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
fuck that. I do a full 2-3 min rest between 1200-1600m 5k repeats. I did 11 miles with 5x1200m@5k repeats last night, and it destroyed me.

10 tonight. 14 tomorrow. 8 Saturday. Last real long run, 20 miler, on Sunday. THEN WE BEGIN TO TAPER.
what a brutal workout. The last 3 miles were probably hell. Good job man. I'm so excited to taper, as you are it seems to be.


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10/04/18 10:32 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
American River 50 miler.


ooh, flat (besides that one last hill, bastards)


charlie_td1
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10/04/18 11:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
fuck that. I do a full 2-3 min rest between 1200-1600m 5k repeats. I did 11 miles with 5x1200m@5k repeats last night, and it destroyed me.

10 tonight. 14 tomorrow. 8 Saturday. Last real long run, 20 miler, on Sunday. THEN WE BEGIN TO TAPER.
what a brutal workout. The last 3 miles were probably hell. Good job man. I'm so excited to taper, as you are it seems to be.
Compared to the 5k pace, the 3 mile cooldown was easy

Yeah I'm ready to taper. I'm tired of the 60-70 miles per week that I've been doing; plus, we just moved to a new house, so I'm wanting to do a bunch of reno shit, but haven't had the time because of the training. Ah well, 3 weeks til the marathon!


robbbby
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10/09/18 09:17 PM
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
I'm already thinking about "what next"?

/ultra sickness



Endurance bike races


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10/10/18 03:02 PM
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 Originally Posted By: robbbby
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
I'm already thinking about "what next"?

/ultra sickness



Endurance bike races


I suck at aero
I suck at cycling
too much gear

I had fun on the gravel ride this weekend. 60 miles of slop/rocks is a good/easy-ish weekend.

Mtn bike endurance racing? Now that I could get behind.


robbbby
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10/10/18 06:29 PM
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
 Originally Posted By: robbbby
 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
I'm already thinking about "what next"?

/ultra sickness



Endurance bike races


I suck at aero
I suck at cycling
too much gear

I had fun on the gravel ride this weekend. 60 miles of slop/rocks is a good/easy-ish weekend.

Mtn bike endurance racing? Now that I could get behind.


Well yeah, those are the best one

http://nuemtb.com/

This one probably isn't too far from you

http://nuemtb.com/series/high-cascades-100-ultra-endurance-mountainbike-race


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So I don't have a MTN bike today, but this might be the final straw to make me get one. There's not great riding in town, some solid shit 1 hour out or even more so 90 mintues (Hood River).

Ok, so this seems like quintessential XC bike domain, but is trail a good enough compromise that it would work? I've read some XC bikes are making use to clever geometry to really crush even more aggressive terrain (light lift served) but still using a bit lighter components/ shorter travel. Basically blurring the artifical line. That seems like the sweet spot, right?


robbbby
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10/11/18 03:10 PM
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Tough to say. I’ve only ever done one of the NUE series races, the lumberjack 100, and I did it on a hardtail.
I’d say full suspension is a must these days. If you are in it to win it you would want an XC style bike, if you are out there to have fun and want an all around good bike for other riding I’d say a 4” bike is the sweet spot. I think going to a 5” “trail” bike for these races is a bit too much. These races are typically well above 10,000 feet of elevation gain, the bigger bike just might get too bulky and cumbersome.


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10/11/18 05:51 PM
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It seems harder to find a full suspension 4" bike. Seems like more and more they're going 5" (120-140) on trails and fork only for 4". I'll look more.

This got me looking at some short mtn bike races. THere's a 6 race series, seems like "long" course is 90 minute-120 minute time.


charlie_td1
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10/12/18 05:59 PM
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Did my last speedwork for the training plan. 10k time trial to see where I'm at. All race predictors say that race equivalent to a 3:00 marathon is a 6:15 pace for 10k. My times today?



I am super encouraged by my time. Negative splits to boot!


stickaz_old
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10/13/18 12:40 PM
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Super impressive, aerobically you have your goal for sure, just worried out loud past mile 18. I'm sure you'll be fine tho

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10/13/18 10:59 PM
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I feel like the works done charlie

either it'll be a good day or it won't, but you've prepared as best as you can. That's a hella impressive effort.

I saw an ultra runner stay something like. Don't stress about your race. The race is the celebration of the hard work you've done already. You can't control the way the day goes, or all the aspects of your body even. But you've done the work, you should enjoy being there. (which glosses over how much a race fucking hurts).

Rooting for you man.


charlie_td1
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10/14/18 08:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for the support, man. I'm definitely in the best running shape I've ever been in, but I feel a lot of pressure, I won't lie. I've been ramping up my training since March for this one event. I've logged a lot of miles in some pretty shitty conditions...I really hope I at least BQ. Fingers crossed.

Today was the last long run of the training cycle. Did 17 at a 7:21 pace overall, felt strong/good. It's true taper from here. One more hardish workout, with 3x1 mile repeats.


Corytrade
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10/14/18 09:15 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, you have trained so much harder for your BQ qualifier than I have for this 50k in a few weeks. You should be feeling your proud of yourself. Good job. When is the race Charlie?

Today I did 16mi at what I think will be closer to race pace ~9:30/mi and it was sooo much smoother than that 20 miler a few weeks back at 8:30/mi. No struggle at the end, and had me feeling a lot better about the race.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/18 09:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, what is this Strava group? I missed it.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/18 06:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Yeah, you have trained so much harder for your BQ qualifier than I have for this 50k in a few weeks. You should be feeling your proud of yourself. Good job. When is the race Charlie?

Today I did 16mi at what I think will be closer to race pace ~9:30/mi and it was sooo much smoother than that 20 miler a few weeks back at 8:30/mi. No struggle at the end, and had me feeling a lot better about the race.
Oct 28, Marine Corps Marathon.
 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Also, what is this Strava group? I missed it.
https://www.strava.com/clubs/451950

let me know if you want in!


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/15/18 11:33 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
Thanks for the support, man. I'm definitely in the best running shape I've ever been in, but I feel a lot of pressure, I won't lie. I've been ramping up my training since March for this one event. I've logged a lot of miles in some pretty shitty conditions...I really hope I at least BQ. Fingers crossed.

Today was the last long run of the training cycle. Did 17 at a 7:21 pace overall, felt strong/good. It's true taper from here. One more hardish workout, with 3x1 mile repeats.


Either you'll have a good day or not, you can't control it at this point.
It sounds like you've done what's needed, so it's really just a matter of the right day or wrong day.
Enjoy the suffer. I don't have hard marathon in me.

Hard half? or easy ultra, running hard for multiple hours can screw off.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/18 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man. I've heard they lowered the BQ times yet again for 2019. I guess this year was one of the largest gaps they had in history - 4:52 on average.

https://www.baa.org/2019-boston-marathon-qualifier-acceptances


I'm still around and enjoying my time with the run club. I'll probably be pacing my races a lot more this year and next, and doing a few road/trail/relay races when time allows. Next "big" race will be LA Marathon in 2019.

My work schedule has been crazy and haven't been checking CSI all that often. Good to see this thread is still alive.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/16/18 11:02 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn, you guys have all been training your asses off while I’ve just been getting fat and lazy.

Simply put: Western States destroyed me. Physically, mentally and emotionally. Not sure what was up with that considering Id run three hundos before it and was back to running in less than a week. I basically took the rest of the summer off from running. Like zero miles for July August and September. I enjoyed the time off, but I’m regretting it now as I feel horribly slow and out of shape as I try to get back into the swing of things.

Still....I’m planning on signing up for Black Canyon 100k in Feb (third year running it) and of course Way Too Cool 50k in March (7th year straight). Not sure what else beyond that. My States ticket count resets to one for this years lottery, so I doubt I’ll have to worry about that one!


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/18 12:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The Way Too Cool is a lottery now, do you get auto selected since you compete every year? It's like 45 mins from my house and I am really considering it next year.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/17/18 11:24 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
The Way Too Cool is a lottery now, do you get auto selected since you compete every year? It's like 45 mins from my house and I am really considering it next year.


It’s been a lottery every year I’ve done it and I’ve never not been selected. I have a feeling it’s weighted towards return racers, or it could be that they just never have to turn anyone away. It’s regularily got a thousand or so starters.


It’s an awesome race for sure. Perfect time of year so it’s usually nice and cool, sometimes rain but most of the trail can handle it, beautiful views, perfect single track, water crossings, short technical sections, good climbs, lots of very runnable stuff. To me it’s pretty much the perfect 50k. You should definitely sign up!


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/18 08:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For realsies, last somewhat tough workout done. 8 miles, with 3x1 mile repeats @ 5k pace.


Not sure what to do with myself now...having begun training in late March, and with nothing but shorter <7 mile recovery runs (minus a 13 miler on Sunday) from here to til the marathon, I am not accustomed to having so much free time or energy


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
10/20/18 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Finally got off my ass and did kind of a race. Wasn't timed and I think their course was a little short lol.

5k for San Diego State Homecoming. When I got here, I didn't feel too great because it was mostly students who are about half my size.

Did better than I thought. Stupid race had a pretty nice hill on the home stretch and I got chick'd right at the end by some girls from the SDSU running team. Though I can't imagine they were going full effort.




Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/18 12:22 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's a great pace for coming off the couch. I feel like any time I get back into it, that first run is a breeze. Then when I try to repeat that on the next run I fail horribly. How are you holding up now, sore?

CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
10/22/18 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
That's a great pace for coming off the couch. I feel like any time I get back into it, that first run is a breeze. Then when I try to repeat that on the next run I fail horribly. How are you holding up now, sore?


Oh I'm not right off the couch.. I been running a couple times a week for awhile now hahaha. But I don't really push it anymore, so I'm usually around a low 9 minute pace these days.

So 8:26 is quick for me right now. No Ill effects. Though I did almost puke during the run lol.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
10/24/18 04:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol @ chikd at the end. Always save a 300-400m kick. Practice it in workouts

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/18 06:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

FUCK I AM SO NERVOUS

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/18 10:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread



Here's the course map. Pretty flat, really hoping 21-23 don't fuck me over...


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/18 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Can’t see the map, boss

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/18 10:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think that fixed it

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/26/18 05:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We're rooting for you!

robbbby
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/18 12:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I like that they included metro stations as points of interest for the course map.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/27/18 11:33 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Kick some ass dude!

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/28/18 01:37 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

3:02:33. Missed my goal, but I laid it all out on the field and at the end of the day, I qualified for Boston!!!

Full race report here!
http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9429220#Post9429220


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/18 07:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So Rehoboth Marathon is in 6 weeks. Very flat. Do I go for it and try to break 3? My wife said if I do, she'll run it as well and try to qual for Chicago.

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/18 04:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hell yeah man...go for it. As long as you’re recovering well, might as well put that fitness to use. \:\)

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/18 11:25 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Great job man. And yeah, go get it.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
10/29/18 11:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Go for it! Also, your wife seems cool, mine would not be volunteering to run a marathon, lol.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
10/30/18 07:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Hahaha, my wife is the one that really got me into marathon running; prior to meeting her, I had only run 1, and it was for fun. Since meeting her, I've run 4 in the past 5 years, and I've PRed each time. It's been amazing to have that kind of support.

Eh, so Chicago signup ends at the end of November, which means she will not be able to do a qual attempt this year. Kind of bummed, she ran a 3:48:09 (beat her PR by 8 minutes!), and she needs a 3:45 for guaranteed entry. I am going to sign up for Chicago and she is going to enter the lottery; if she doesn't get in, then she'll run marine corps marathon again and be in the lifelong club, as this is number 5 for her (if you run 5 marine corps marathons, you get guaranteed entry for the rest of your life).

I also think I'm going to sit out Rehoboth. We had a conversation over dinner last night, and the question was whether the priority for me was to get to Boston or break 3 hours, and ultimately I think in my heart of hearts it's Boston. With the BQ time adjustment for 2020, I'm BQ -2:27, so I am fairly confident that I am safe. I also think Sunday took a lot more out of me than I thought; I could barely press the clutch down on my car today without cramping up. I think the prudent thing is shut it down, recover, ramp back up in Feb/March, do a few training cycles, and really go for it at Chicago: it's a Major, it's super flat, and it's known to be fast.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/01/18 02:23 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

already lining up next year's races \:\)

SJP0tato
(Member)
11/01/18 10:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
already lining up next year's races \:\)


Nice! Having long-term goals definitely keeps me in the game vs "well, maybe I'll run another race next year-ish".

I'm all geared up for the trail Ragnar tomorrow (my first Ragnar & first trail race):


SJP0tato
(Member)
11/05/18 09:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Trail Ragnar turned out to be a lot of fun. I wound up picking up an extra segment to cover for a missing runner (got a back-to-back from 11pm until 12:30am or so).

My best loop was the first: The whole thing just felt great, never seemed like I was pushing hard, a++ would run again: https://www.strava.com/activities/1942188776

I'm the short mofo 3rd from the left:


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/18 12:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Looks intense, I never heard of a Ragnar before. Is the Ragnar village similar to a college frat party, cause the video kinda looked like it?

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/18 08:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I love, love, love Ragnar. I've run 3 Trail Ragnars (West Virginia once and Virginia twice) and the road Ragnar DC once. The WV one, we placed 3rd in the Sub-masters and got the sweet belt buckle along with the finisher medal

SJP0tato
(Member)
11/06/18 11:38 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Looks intense, I never heard of a Ragnar before. Is the Ragnar village similar to a college frat party, cause the video kinda looked like it?


It seems like it can be whatever you make it:
One of the teams across the way from us had a bunch of ultra runner partiers: I think they started slamming beers and doing shots the morning before the race, all throughout, and up until the afternoon conclusion.

Most of the other teams were mixed/varied, but it's definitely a good time if you bring some food/drinks/whatever.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/06/18 03:29 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm sort of intrigued by this trail ragnar thing. Seems like a lot of down time for... drinking(?) though.

Can you divide loops however you'd like?


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/18 05:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ClubSi Ragnar Tahoe?

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/06/18 05:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: FilthyS13drifta
I'm sort of intrigued by this trail ragnar thing. Seems like a lot of down time for... drinking(?) though.

Can you divide loops however you'd like?
looks like you have to run each one, they have a setup on the site. They have ultra teams that do double laps = less down time. 4 per team in Tahoe I think. More realistic of the miles I want to achieve if I'm gonna run it.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/18 07:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So you have green, yellow, red loops. Each loop ranges from like 4-8 miles. You have 8 runners per team. Each runner must run all 3 loops. Most common way to do it is:

Runner 1: G
Runner 2: Y
Runner 3: R
Runner 4: G
Runner 5: Y
Runner 6: R
Runner 7: G
Runner 8: Y

And so on and so forth. There are ultra teams (4 people per team), and there is a little bit of flexibility here. Runners may either go GG, YY, RR, or GY, RG, YR, etc., or run 1 loop at a time but have double the rotations.

I've done the trail 3 times now, it's a ton of fun. You do have a good bit of downtime to hang out, drink beer, etc. Last year, I brought a Coleman camp stove and grilled burgers/dogs for everyone on the team; it was a blast. The event organizers do nice little things like bonfires at night and free marshmallows/graham crackers and such. Some teams REALLY go all out on their campsites with decorations.

I'd like to do it again next year (maybe an ultra team) if my training schedule allows for it.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/18 12:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All the more reason to double down on a ClubSi Ragnar!

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/18 01:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Tahoe is far af for me, I'm in Washington DC bruh.

If we're serious about this, it could be doable to find one and plan it out. My wife would be interested as well.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/07/18 02:10 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Speaking of Ragnar, doing Los Coyotes Trail this weekend. Last year's was a ton fun. You guys really need to do one if given the chance.

Hit me up if you're serious on doing a ClubSi one.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/18 08:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So are we serious about this? I could start doing some research on which Ragnars to look at and get logistics going.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/18 04:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Shit, I think if we get a list of truly interested people it might be worth some serious research. Location is going to be biggest hurdle, obviously. I get DC to Tahoe is not super realistic. We do have a lot of runners over here tho: dirty, amps, mrmom, dare I say stickaz ;\) . More to the middle of America would be cool too. Colorado, Appalachians, shit I don't know much of the terrain that far east.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/08/18 08:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So my wife and I are in. I brought it up in passing, and she's actually down for Tahoe \:\) \:\) . It would give us a solid reason to get out there. Selfishly, I've already done Ragnar Trail Appalachian, and would like to do something different Colorado would be awesome too

robbbby
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/18 06:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I'm here to give a PSA

Running sucks.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/09/18 07:45 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My Mt Ram 50k is tomorrow. My first ultra. Leaving here in about 45 minutes and staying at a hotel. Super nervous, worried I tapered too long, never got good elevation. Fuck it. Goal is <7 hours, with a <6 being a huge bonus.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/18 08:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Race cancelled due to smoke. Freezing my balls off waiting for an Uber driver. Girl in front of me flew out from Utah. Fuck this. Fuck everything.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/18 10:57 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Noooooooo fuck man that sucks!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/18 08:08 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yea I went for an easy jog and bike ride in it yesterday in the East Bay and now I feel like I have a sore throat, a cold, and AIDS most likely. I'm thinking cancellation was a good call. It wasn't nearly as bad yesterday as today. The South Bay looks like an apocalypse. I'm wondering if the just cooked myself for my final race of the year

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/18 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've heard that Zion is the Ragnar to do. Amazing views, solid trails and semi-modern facilities for those that care.

Los Coyotes was amazing. It's the toughest of the series with almost 1.7K vert on the first 3 miles of red loop. But the views and technical aspect of the trails were awesome. Much less fire roads and more single tracks compared to last year.

Only downside was the 35° temps at night lol.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/10/18 11:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Okay, with my first 50k being cancelled and looking back on my training I took a whole 12 hours to reflect and make a decision moving forward.

-My first thought was that I want to limit my 50k to somewhere local. I spent hundreds of dollars on a hotel room for the last night and tonight (I just came home, didn't even stay), and spent $80 on ride sharing just to get to the race start and back. If my next race gets cancelled, I don't want to be out a shit ton of cash again for nothing. Further, it was just supposed to be my wife and me going and my folks were going to watch my kids. But with the fire in Paradise/Chico, my folks had to take evacuees, and so no one could watch my kids, so we took them with us. That made for a really shitty night sleep last night because we were sharing a hotel room with 3 toddlers. Even worse, when I had to go back home early, I was then stuck with those little shits all day and they were demons. Due to all of those reasons, I am looking at races that I can drive to same day for my first ultra.

-My other thought was that I actually feel like I trained too long for this ultra, over 4 months in the end due to scheduling changes. I peaked too early (dirty warned me), and so the last 6 weeks I was trying to preserve my running pace while trying taper, and that caused me to feel like I was getting out of shape. I want a much shorter and tighter training window moving forward.

The plan:
I am going to enter the lotto for the Way too Cool 50k (not far from my home) which is March 2nd, 2019. If I get in, then my plan will be to start aggressively training over 7-8 weeks prior to the race. I don't want to taper prior to the run, because I want the 50k to be my peak training for the American River 50miler on April 6, 2019. In the meantime while I wait for the WTC 50k lotto I am going to focus on some strength training, all the running has made me feel emaciated and I have been having issues with my upper back that I think some physical therapy strength training might also help.

This is definitely aiming high, but I am in a dark place after all of this training and adrenaline for my 50k only to have it canceled as I am waiting to get my bib. Just a heart breaker. What's funny is that they gave me the shirt and pint glass, and tried to offer me the finishing medal. I refused the medal, lol, wtf am I going to do with that.

Fuck...what a day.


**DONOTDELETE**
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11/12/18 03:01 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That sucks man. I'm sure your training would have worked out.

Either way celebrate even showing up. There's a lot of people that never get that far. It'll work out soon.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/18 09:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

We’ll have to hang if you get into WTC!

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/01/18 10:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah man, I am down! Just registered first thing this morning, now we wait...

SJP0tato
(Member)
12/02/18 09:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I finally accomplished my long-term goal of finishing a 15k under 1-hour today. Felt pretty good, didn't really get "hard" until mile 7 or so:




https://www.strava.com/activities/199665...2NAoxtMH7DJmcN4


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
12/03/18 10:12 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was wondering if that was a race; killer time, man!

stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/05/18 11:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Holy shit

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/18 02:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn, that run and Strava constantly shoving Charlie's runs in my face is incredibly motivating. Had to gut check a <8min/mi 5er today to feel right.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/18 07:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

hey, if my runs motivate you, then I'll keep going \:\) \:\)


I worked out my training cycle for next year; it's the Pfitz 18 week plan. I combined the 70 and 85 max mpw plans and kind of created an in between that peaks at 80 mpw. Hoping for a 2:49:00.



Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/09/18 11:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's crazy to me that I would peak around 60-70ish mpw for a 50 mile race, and you are peaking at 85mpw for a marathon! Your pace is just incredible man, you should be proud, I mean you are nearing the sub-5 min mile pace during training. That shit was like a world record a century ago .

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/18 07:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeah I'm not sure how I feel about that I was running 5:45 5k pace for intervals this past season, and they sucked bad. REALLY not looking forward to dropping that another 15 seconds

Eh, the weekly mileage may be more, but you have the mental toughness to endure 50+miles of racing. That is a totally different ballgame, and I am honestly not sure I have that in me.


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
12/10/18 11:45 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, look at mine if you want to feel fast <3

**DONOTDELETE**
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12/10/18 11:58 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I think there's two factors:
there's a ceiling to running for most folks
there's a healthy requirement for a floor for HARD training like charlie does


I think I need to get on some races ASAP. I'm really struggling for my goal for '19. I've always been a slow runner, so part of me wants to finally create some speed, but I do love the ultras.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/18 11:54 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, I really am working on speed more this training cycle. I get really competitive and want to be more towards the front of the pack. It is way more draining tho.

Chris - 750 people applied for the WTC 50k lottery this year, not sure how that compares to years before. They don't list how many they will take. I guess we will find out tomorrow.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/11/18 01:12 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Well shit, just got my confirmation for getting selected! Fuck yes. Now to register for the AR50 to make sure I do both. Fuck me time to start training hard.

**DONOTDELETE**
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12/11/18 02:24 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Yeah, I really am working on speed more this training cycle. I get really competitive and want to be more towards the front of the pack. It is way more draining tho.

Chris - 750 people applied for the WTC 50k lottery this year, not sure how that compares to years before. They don't list how many they will take. I guess we will find out tomorrow.


Yeah, I think this last year was great for building a base of miles and I do prefer trail-runs to fast road runs. But now I have that base, and I won't always have the time to drive to a trail (or do 3-4 hours runs). Of course it'll be nice to not worry about needing those long runs I suppose. With kids it's sometimes hard to be gone that long at once.


When i was young I loved speed work, now I love it during but always feel tired for 24-48 hours.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
12/12/18 04:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Well shit, just got my confirmation for getting selected! Fuck yes. Now to register for the AR50 to make sure I do both. Fuck me time to start training hard.


Congrats dude! I’ll see you there!


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/13/18 09:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Well shit, just got my confirmation for getting selected! Fuck yes. Now to register for the AR50 to make sure I do both. Fuck me time to start training hard.


Congrats dude! I’ll see you there!
8(?) years in a row for you, nice! If I see you I will try not to make it awkward.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
12/14/18 07:47 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Well shit, just got my confirmation for getting selected! Fuck yes. Now to register for the AR50 to make sure I do both. Fuck me time to start training hard.


Congrats dude! I’ll see you there!
8(?) years in a row for you, nice! If I see you I will try not to make it awkward.
following him around before/after the race and every time he looks at you....don't blink. Just stare deeply into his eyes


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/24/18 01:53 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Anyone else struggling to get runs in during the holidays? I thought it would be easier, but with all the family here and all the drinking it is tough.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/27/18 10:32 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I manage to get in a 17 miler Sunday. Haven't run since, but taking the kids with me today to the gym (against their will lol).

**DONOTDELETE**
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12/28/18 12:54 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Anyone else struggling to get runs in during the holidays? I thought it would be easier, but with all the family here and all the drinking it is tough.


Didn't you just sign up for a race? That always get's me moving.

It's definitely tough with short days and shit, sometimes it's ok to just get your "minimum". I definitely couldn't "train" during the holidays, but I find it's a good time to evaluate my calendar/schedule and come out the gate ready as things quiet down.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/18 02:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yeah, 65 days out. I am motivated, but damn having the in-laws here for three weeks is more of a pain in the ass than help.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/18 11:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks dirty, you shamed me into a good 8 miler tonight.

Alright guys, I just hit my last day of the year. Post up your total 2018 miles.

655 miles...let's see if I can break 1000 next year.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
12/30/18 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Also, who the fuck is this Roberto guy and how is he in England, NYC, and some Australian island in one week?

**DONOTDELETE**
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12/31/18 10:31 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

1048 according strava, but 1032 according the strava plug-in I use.
going for a short loop today.

I started the year shooting for maybe 3 miles a day/21week as a loose goal. Got pretty close and I don't feel at all bad for it. I still increased 20% over last year which was my biggest year. More importantly I grew my vert by 1/3.

Did a second 50km with not much training, did another HARD 50km, and did my first 50 miler on a hard course. I'm now increasingly confident in my running.

On top of that I had my biggest year on the bike. I looks like I'll stall at 2275 for the year.

And I got two days of ski-mo in which really stokes me. I got to both circumnavigate and summit Mt St Helen in the same season.


To 2019!


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12/31/18 10:33 AM
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p.s. nice job getting your ass out there and even some trail. The strava "goal" is my way of self-shaming myself to hit my minimum every week.

Roberto is a Canadian member, he rides Zwift, it's a trainer app/video game that does digital racing on the bike trainer. It makes indoor bike training not suck. but it does virtual races in locations.


charlie_td1
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12/31/18 02:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Also, who the fuck is this Roberto guy and how is he in England, NYC, and some Australian island in one week?
Dude rides like a million miles every day.


I ran 1605 miles in 2018; hoping to be well north of 2000 in 2019.


stickaz_old
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01/01/19 05:57 AM
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I hope to be able to run normally in 2019, otherwise switching to bike/swim as I'm fighting an Achilles thing which seems like a very tough adversary. Every time I take 4-6 weeks off and think everything is fine I'm exactly back where I was on like my third jog back. (I just took 4 weeks off and here I am again)

Anyways Strava says:
2327 biked (did my first fondo and got up Mt tam finally, just dicking around tho no workouts)
873 run
102 swum

334 hrs

All of my PRs got a year older sadly except the 70.3


I've got a boot I'm moving to when I get back into it, and may immobilize a bit more aggressively for January. If it comes around great otherwise I guess I'll just be at the beach more often. Not a bad problem to have heh.

Hitting even 500 run miles next year seems like a stretch goal sitting here injured with no known recovery method other than taking.more and more time off and hoping for the best. One thing seems to be for sure though: running on back to back days may not be possible for me any longer. I've done about 10 miles this past week and it seems like a push to slightly recovering overall. Hard to tell, and very frustrating. Ill go shopping for a new PT guy also, not had much luck historically there (I get injured enough every year to go see one, always running related)


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/19 10:38 AM
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Great job guys. And good to see this thread is still alive.

I started up Strava in April and hit 899 miles. Thinking I can do 1000+ if I train for another marathon over the winter. Thinking I'll set 1100 as my goal.

I think my biggest 2018 accomplishment has simply been avoiding injury while incrementally getting faster. All despite the limited time I can devote to running. I'm now flirting with high-6 min miles on some of my 5-8 mile runs. Not really that fast, just fast for me. \:D


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01/04/19 03:41 PM
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Finally signed up for a race. Nice rolling 20 miler in April.
http://www.petersonridgerumble.com/?page_id=11


Sir Ironpool
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01/07/19 06:28 PM
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Well, despite taking like 4 months off from running, I’ve been able to slowly get some fitness back and am starting to feel like a runner again. I ran 2100+ miles and almost 150k feet of gain last year.

I got picked to run the Angeles Crest 100 again in August, so that will be this years focus. I’m registered in the Solo division which means no crew and no pacers. As if the race wasn’t hard enough, lol. Either way, it’s something to dread/look forward to for the next 7 months.

Im currently signed up for my 3rd Black Canyon 100k out in AZ mid-February, and of course Way Too Cool 50k in March, but I’m thinking about the Calico 50k out in the desert the first weekend of Feb as well. It’s a great low-key race with a remote giant loop course. I haven’t run farther than 10 miles since last June though, so I don’t want to destroy myself that close to Black Canyon either.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
01/07/19 08:32 PM
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I've seen the uptick in your activity on Strava, Chris...welcome back

I am seriously impressed with the distances that you guys crank out. I cannot imagine doing 50 milers, 100 milers....you ultra guys are insane


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
01/08/19 06:43 PM
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I did my first interval workout of the year today; 6x600 meters @ 5:45 pace with 100 sec in between splits. I managed between 5:43 and 5:45 for the first 5 splits but gassed out at the last interval and finished the split at 5:52. Hurt a bit more than I am accustomed to, but that's what I get for not running intervals since October.

Feels good to be back on a regimented plan. I'm going to be alternating between interval runs and half marathon pace tempo runs every other week, with a long run on the weekends. I'm hoping to hover around 40-45 miles a week until it's time to ramp back up.


robbbby
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01/11/19 08:48 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
Also, who the fuck is this Roberto guy and how is he in England, NYC, and some Australian island in one week?


I have unlimited air miles.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
01/13/19 10:27 PM
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 Originally Posted By: BathtubAfficionado
Finally signed up for a race. Nice rolling 20 miler in April.
http://www.petersonridgerumble.com/?page_id=11
interested to see how his race is. It's short enough distance where you kind of want to gas it, but long enough you need to pace yourself.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
01/18/19 11:31 AM
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Haven't run in a week due to shitty weather and really icy paths. Getting stircrazy

Corytrade
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01/18/19 11:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
Haven't run in a week due to shitty weather and really icy paths. Getting stircrazy
I noticed, thought maybe you were injured. I have a treadmill in the garage for events like this, had to use it twice this week.


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01/21/19 12:48 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Corytrade
 Originally Posted By: BathtubAfficionado
Finally signed up for a race. Nice rolling 20 miler in April.
http://www.petersonridgerumble.com/?page_id=11
interested to see how his race is. It's short enough distance where you kind of want to gas it, but long enough you need to pace yourself.


Yeah, they offered a 40, but I felt like it was my warm-up. Everyone said the 40 course doesn't offer anything besides "more".

I'm still not sure my approach here. Part of me says it's a warm-up for the season, rather than doiing a 20 trail run of my own. Part of me says it's a race, and thus I should push at least a little. Part of me says it's short enough I can blow up big and hobble out.

I've tended to enjoy my races so far. I don't tend to lay it on the line that much.


Corytrade
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01/23/19 12:02 AM
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Went to a physical therapist today since I have been battling through some EXCRUCIATING upper back pain in my runs. Unresolved by ibuprofen, naproxen, tylenol, lidocaine patches, or baclofen. Turns out it is a mix of poor posture, my shoulders are really curved in, as well as a large loss of muscle on my left side (rotator cuff area). This has lead to overcompensating in my trap and some muscle that goes 45° towards my neck. He gave me some strength bands, said no more push-ups or anything that will curve my shoulders in, and a litany of foam roller exercises. It will take weeks to get better, really hoping I can fix it soon though.

A lot of this probably explains my 185 to 167 weight loss, lots of muscle went away I figure. Hope everyone else is hanging in there.


charlie_td1
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01/24/19 08:13 AM
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That sucks, man! I hope you have a quick recovery. Any specific reason behind the muscle loss?

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01/24/19 11:30 AM
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Bummer man.

I'm a bit confused by the nature of it though. Too much imbalance towards chest? or towards back.

I hope the plan works and you're back on it. Rooting for you to hit 50.


stickaz_old
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01/24/19 02:28 PM
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Yikes, hope you figure it out :scared:

I'm still in limp mode over here, with an unknown return date to even easy jogging. Visiting a sports.medicine place in a week or so, I need a prognosis on my Achilles. I have not been hit with any shells yet walk with a limp.

Even biking seems affected marginally, esp out of the saddle stuff. Swimming my off foot cramps lol because I don't use the problem foot for walls


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01/24/19 03:49 PM
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Damn stickz, that achilles is still killing you?

Do you do a lot of drop? no drop?

I found my altras (zero drop) aggravate my achilles/calf muscles if I do more than 50% of my miles in them. That said, my feet prefer their footbox, so I mix them up.


charlie_td1
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01/24/19 06:30 PM
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damn, sorry to hear about all these nagging injuries... \:\(

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
02/06/19 12:44 PM
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I'm on track to break 50 miles this week. Not bad at all for just maintenance. I need to figure out a way to incorporate more strength training into my routine; it's hard when running is the priority. All I really do other than running are core and injury prevention exercises...

Sir Ironpool
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02/07/19 11:16 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Damn, you guys are making me feel like a pussy for complaining about my sore quads, lol.

This past weekend I jumped into a 30k at the last minute. I’ve done the 50k twice now and absolutely love the course out in the desert near Barstow, but was worried about recovery taking too long before the 100k next weekend.

It was my first time back racing after 7 months of less than perfect training. Based on my times in the 50k (I went 5 hours flat last year) I set 3:00 as a goal that would require me to test my fitness a bit. The first 13 or so are pretty much a long steady climb before some rad slot canyon and old mine tunnel miles before a horrible steep climb back up to the finish line. I ran nice and steady during the climb in sandy Jeep roads, and really enjoyed the technical stuff through the recently washed out canyons. 2000+ feet of climbing had my non-climbing trainer legs barking at me, but I was able to keep moving well. Missed that 3 hour goal by 10 minutes, but considering the fact that I’ve done zero climbing in the last 7 months, I think I handled it pretty well. Was happy to keep the average pace under 10 min miles. Ended up 12th overall and 2nd in the 40-49 AG.

Headed back to AZ next Friday for my 3rd Black Canyon 100k. Should be interesting. I’m totally confident that I can finish it, but it will likely get ugly a few times.


Corytrade
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02/10/19 02:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks for all the well wishes guys, been a few weeks since I checked in here.

 Originally Posted By: BathtubAfficionado
Bummer man.

I'm a bit confused by the nature of it though. Too much imbalance towards chest? or towards back.

I hope the plan works and you're back on it. Rooting for you to hit 50.



Too much shoulders forward. I have been doing the resitance exercises the PT gave me and rolling out my back a lot and it has helped quite a bit. I haven't had a drop to my knees back stabbing pain since, though still some discomfort.

That leads me to my next theories of why I think it is happening. First, I tend to run on the balls of my feet, and a lot of my miles are on pavement. As my shoes wear I get a lot more impact on my upper body and I believe that has really added to the pain generation. As a result, I switched to running in Hokas, and I adjusted my stride to run like what I call "an old man posture" with a heel to toe roll. Adjusting your stride after 30 years is tough, takes a lot of focus, but I believe it has helped a lot too.

My other theory is stress related pain. So my job at work is actually working with chronic pain patients. We work on reducing their use of opioids for chronic pain, because a lot of the pain is generated due to mental factors, not physical ailments. I didn't even realize I think a lot of it is happening to me. The stress of my job, the patients I deal with, raising 3 kids, trying to keep my marriage tight (no issues here really, just time with my wife is what I mean), and training for the 50k all really is getting me tense. I didn't even realize it until one of the MDs I work with was telling me to think about this injury, and how it has never happened before and I have been running all my life. It really changed my whole mindset. So I try to work on mindfullness a lot now, and identify when things are stressing me and when I start getting tight in my upper body. I don't expect to change your opinion about chronic pain in this one post, but I truly believe that pain is a product of environmental factors a majority of the time.

Anyway, I am doing well. I ran 11 miles today and only had a twinge of discomfort. Hope all is going well for everyone else. I am secretly Strava watching you all!


Sir Ironpool
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02/18/19 05:46 PM
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Second DNF of my endurance career on Saturday. Went into it undertrained, hoping to get by on experience (I’ve ran the race twice now) and base fitness. Felt “off” from the start and by 20 miles or so I just wasn’t enjoying myself. Was still moving well but my heart just wasn’t in it and the thought of running another 25 miles was too much so I pulled the plug at the 60k finish where I knew there was a shuttle back to the car.

I’m only a little bummed about it as I’m pretty in-tune with the signals my body sends my mind and I know it was the right call. 2 days later and I feel like I ran a hundred miler so that’s reassuring. My body just wasn’t ready.

Time to recover and get ready for Way Too Cool 50k in 2 weeks!


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02/21/19 07:20 PM
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I crossed the double digit threshold for the first time since September, jfc. this seems like a long road back to ultra-ready.

That said, 10 today was easier than 8 last week.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/19 02:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a26465896/paris-2024-olympic-marathon/

fuuuuuuuu this is so cool. I want to do this so bad.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/25/19 11:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That would be pretty badass!

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/19 01:34 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's pretty awesome.

Good to see this thread is still alive. Wondering for you guys who know Hoka well enough... what would be the ideal neutral shoe to pick up? I have a coupon for a free pair that I need to use by end of month.

I usually rock the NB 840s. Thinking of doing Cliftons, same size, in a wide.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/19 03:19 PM
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I hope Corytrade is ready for some mud on Saturday!


Corytrade
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02/26/19 06:18 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's raining like crazy here!!!! Let's do it. What day you doing packet pickup Chris?

Corytrade
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02/26/19 10:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
That's pretty awesome.

Good to see this thread is still alive. Wondering for you guys who know Hoka well enough... what would be the ideal neutral shoe to pick up? I have a coupon for a free pair that I need to use by end of month.

I usually rock the NB 840s. Thinking of doing Cliftons, same size, in a wide.
So I went from long time Asics fan to the M Clifton 5 wides and they are amazing. The extra padding has really helped the upper back pain I had talked about previously. I ran a half marathon in them this weekend and wasn't even winded, though that is more fitness than the shoe I guess. I would say try them, I am sold on Hokas now.


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/26/19 11:51 PM
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I normally drive straight from Long Beach to Fleet Feet on Friday evening to get my bib, then meet my parents for dinner before driving up to crash at the start. This time we’re gonna visit my grandma in her new retirement home in Lincoln so I’ll just grab my bib in the morning. Will still be spending the night in the car at the start.
Just look for the white Ford Flex parked right at the front of the lot across from the start line. \:D

It’s really only the first 8 miles that are affected by the mud. Once off the Olmstead Loop, the moisture really well.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
02/27/19 09:08 PM
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Sounds good. I'm going to grab my bib Friday night, then drive out early on Sat. A friend of mine had the good idea to just get out early and bust out the camping chair and sip on some coffee so I think I will do that too. I am really excited and even more nervous.

Not sure the last time you were in Lincoln but you may be surprised at how much more they keep building. We are trying to buy a place in Granite Bay within the next year. 😎


Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
02/28/19 09:51 AM
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That’s a good plan cause parking is a pain in the ass the later you get there.

My only advice is to take it easy on the Olmstead loop where you’ll be in a conga line for the majority of it. After that there’s plenty of room to open it up a little and find your stride. And try to remember to look around and enjoy the scenery and chat with fellow runners. Makes the experience so much better.


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/19 07:32 AM
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Here we go....Bib 424

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/19 06:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cory crushed it! Beat me by 5 minutes or so, bastard.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/19 08:02 PM
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awesome job guys! I'm still in awe of you ultra guys...not sure how you do it. I don't think I'd be able to.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/02/19 08:24 PM
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That course was brutal, it was like a 30 mile tough mudder or Spartan. Just constant mud, eroded trail, and knee deep water crossings. I did a vlog with a go pro will try to make a YouTube vid this week. Chris is a really cool guy, glad I finally meet him after 16 years.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/03/19 02:32 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLtnvzL6-8&feature=youtu.be

My vlog of the run.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/19 07:28 AM
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So for you more experienced distance folks, what's your maintenance mileage looking like? I'm hovering around 40-45 mpw with an occasional 50+ mile week, but thinking in April/May I need to ramp up a bit more before my training cycle kicks in...

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/19 10:21 AM
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oh shit, this thread is still alive? \:D

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03/04/19 11:38 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
So for you more experienced distance folks, what's your maintenance mileage looking like? I'm hovering around 40-45 mpw with an occasional 50+ mile week, but thinking in April/May I need to ramp up a bit more before my training cycle kicks in...

Since I still cycle commute I go by time. But I'm absolutely sure you could finish a 50 miler if you shifted your runs toward the terrain you'd run.

The only week I've ever hit 50 mpw was if I raced an ultra. I think peak training was 40? and another 2 hours of cycling. So maybe equate that to 12 more? And I do hike 1-2x a month with a infant on my back.

Now I will admit I got my ass kicked by a 50, but I still was upper 1/3 of the pack.

So lots of rambling, but if you can mange 50-60mpw you'll do fine on a 50 miler. Find that forever pace, practice the type or terrain and break it into pieces. It's just an easy 10km, followed by another, followed by another...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/19 11:59 AM
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Great job guys. That 50K sounded brutal lol. Makes me feel like a slacker despite a few good runs over the week. \:D

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/05/19 06:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: BathtubAfficionado
 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
So for you more experienced distance folks, what's your maintenance mileage looking like? I'm hovering around 40-45 mpw with an occasional 50+ mile week, but thinking in April/May I need to ramp up a bit more before my training cycle kicks in...

Since I still cycle commute I go by time. But I'm absolutely sure you could finish a 50 miler if you shifted your runs toward the terrain you'd run.

The only week I've ever hit 50 mpw was if I raced an ultra. I think peak training was 40? and another 2 hours of cycling. So maybe equate that to 12 more? And I do hike 1-2x a month with a infant on my back.

Now I will admit I got my ass kicked by a 50, but I still was upper 1/3 of the pack.

So lots of rambling, but if you can mange 50-60mpw you'll do fine on a 50 miler. Find that forever pace, practice the type or terrain and break it into pieces. It's just an easy 10km, followed by another, followed by another...



lol I don't know that I have any desire to run for that long. My focus is still on the marathon, I'm wondering if I can break 2:50 at Chicago this year


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/07/19 08:27 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

CANNOT WAIT FOR DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TO BE OVER. Can't run tempo runs for shit in the dark; I keep stumbling and I notice my gait is much shorter and choppier.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/19 06:25 PM
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Cherry Blossom 10 miler is in a few weeks (first weekend of april, I think?). I was going to run it with the wife, but she wants to race it and she doesn't want me running with her, so I figure I'll go for a time trial as well. Any guesses as to what kind of time I'll put out? I genuinely have no idea what kind of race shape I'm in, as I've just been doing maintenance for the past few months...

Sir Ironpool
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/19 11:55 AM
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59:59 is the only answer. \:\)

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/19 01:13 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
59:59 is the only answer. \:\)
You know me too well I wonder how far off the mark I am, or if it's even a realistic target for me at this point...


Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/19 11:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Based on the 15 mile run at 7 minute/mile you just did, I don't see how you can't push that to 6min/mile on race day with the adrenaline pumping.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/14/19 09:14 AM
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I just this mental block about 6:00. It just feels/seems so far past my abilities. I guess the only thing I can do is try and see how far I go?

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/27/19 11:31 AM
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Updating this thread. Still around, still running. Knocked out the LA Marathon this weekend in 3:53:53, despite 3 pit stops and tons of photos.

I've been spending more of my focus enjoying being out in the crowds vs. going by the watch. Though I might try for something semi-competitive next year as I graduate to another age bracket.

Coming up: OC Half Marathon, SD Half with Team Hoyt, and SF Half. Have a couple small tri's over the summer, and will be managing one of the Exchanges for Ragnar So Cal (heard it's a ton of fun).

Still interest with this group doing some type of Ragnar?


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03/27/19 04:50 PM
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3 weeks until my first race of the season 20 mile of sloppy mountain trails. Should be scenic at least.
I guess if I go slow enough I'l just take lots of photos.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/19 06:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ragnar would be a lot of fun. Depending on when it is, My wife and I both would be interested! We were talking the other day about wanting to do one out west; the scenery out there is just so much better.

Congrats on finishing LA! How was the course, and how did you feel?


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/28/19 07:11 PM
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Thanks man, I think I'd recommend Zion for this group. It's cheap and challenging, and it's all trail.

LA was awesome. It's my 6th time running. And the crowd support keeps me coming back. I imagine it's a lot like running Boston or New York, only LA has a fewer pockets of supporters until you get to Mile 18.

There are some low points on that run, like the long stretch along Hollywood with little to no shade. But the hardest part is from Mile 19.5-23.5, where you run a mild but steady uphill section. And almost all of it in direct sunlight. I hit some mild cramping there, but got ahead of it with some extra salt/electrolytes.

I finished feeling pretty strong and plenty of gas in the tank. Had I really hunkered down, I probably could have knocked out a sub-3:45. But for a competitive race, I think I'd rather do something like Mt Charleston out by Vegas. LA is simply too crowded to run fast.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/19 06:54 AM
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What's the temperature at? Direct sun+anything over like 70 degrees is brutal.

And Zion. would. be. fucking. amazing. When is it? I've got the Chicago marathon in the fall, so I want to make sure there aren't any conflicts.


**DONOTDELETE**
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03/29/19 10:52 AM
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I'd liek to do a Zion Race soon. How rocky was it? I did Arches outside moab and that was tough on the ankles. All that slick rock is tough. Luckily the back half was more sand/gravel.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/29/19 01:35 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

LA topped out at around 73 along Santa Monica Blvd. Wasn't bad overall, just warm during the last third of the race.

Zion is Ragnar's first and most popular trail race. I've never done it. But I've done Los Coyotes, which they say is the hardest trail race they have. And I didn't feel it was all that bad.

I believe Zion also has extra amenities you won't find elsewhere, like the pool and showers. We'd probably have to shoot for next year if we were serious about it. And we'd need a team of 8. Would be pretty easy to assemble if we were to consolidate funds via Venmo or Paypal.
https://www.runragnar.com/event-detail/trail/zion_ut#overview


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/31/19 07:51 PM
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Yeah I think it'd be easy to get a team.

Wow a pool and showers? That sounds flat out luxurious I should be down for next year! Any other takers?

I have the Cherry Blossom 10 miler this coming sunday. It's pretty flat and fast. I ran 16@6:58 pace today, will probably do a mini taper this week just to give my legs a bit of rest. We'll see how it goes I suppose


**DONOTDELETE**
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04/01/19 10:53 AM
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You run 16 like I run 1.6

Sir Ironpool
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04/01/19 12:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Lol, no shit. There’s a reason I don’t look at my Strava feed anymore. It’s called shame, lol.

Six years ago I ran my 5k PR with an 18:30. Yesterday I ran one and did 21:20. I guess Ill just keep going long/slow.


**DONOTDELETE**
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04/01/19 02:25 PM
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I think you're now as slow as me!!

/except that's my PR


charlie_td1
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04/01/19 05:36 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

ah stop it; i'm quick but I'm not like insanely fast. You guys are actually one of my biggest sources of motivation; hell, you were the ones to push me to have a breakthrough last year!

And i've said it many times...I don't know that I could do ultras like you guys...it's a totally different mentality and I'm not sure I could do something like that.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/05/19 02:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update: I've shut it down the past couple days. Left soleus has been super sore since Monday, so I've taken it easy. Hope to run a couple miles tomorrow to shake things loose. Really hoping I don't pop something on Sunday

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
04/05/19 04:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running 50 miles tomorrow morning.
Should be fun, first 50k are flat bike paths and then jump on trails for some rollers and then a big climb at the finish.
Feeling pretty fit so gonna go after it and see how it plays out.
Prepared to walk the last 15 or so miles if I blow up. \:D


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/05/19 04:56 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Are you Donnie? If so, your paces are impressive, man! Good luck tomorrow!

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/07/19 11:48 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Cross posting from Reddit:

Race information
What? Cherry Blossom 10 miler
When? April 7, 2019
How far? 10 miles
Where? Washington DC
Finish time: 1:02:39

Goals
Dream goal of sub 60 minutes, happy with anything under 63 minutes

Training
No real race specific training leading up to this race. Maintenance mileage has been 40-50 mpw, with tempo runs of 4-6 miles@6:00-6:15 pace every other week. Long runs of 15-16 miles on Sundays. Last race was Marine Corps Marathon, where I ran a 3:02:33 with the Pfitz 18/70 plan.

Pre-race
It was bad. Buses were running VERY slow, got to the race 15 minutes before gun, had to do bag check and porta-potty. Barely made the corral. I also have been struggling with a tight/strained soleus all week, so I wore a calf sleeve to help with the pain/cramping. All in all it was a very stressful start, and I had no idea what to expect regarding my performance.

Race
The beauty of the 10 miler is that it goes by quickly. The course is very flat as well, 95 ft of total elevation. The weather was perfect, 50 and cloudy with a mild breeze. Miles 1-5 flew by, but started to feel fatigued at 6; it was at this point that I started to second guess my pacing. Miles 7 and 8 were by far the hardest mentally; I was feeling the fatigue and could feel myself dropping back from the pack that I was running with. All that being said, I was consistent in my splits, and while I fell off a bit after mile 5, 6-10 were still consistent. Splits:

6:11
6:11
6:12
6:14
6:12
6:17
6:20
6:20
6:18
6:16

Finish Chip time: 1:02:39

Post-race
I ran this race hard, not really knowing how I'd fare. I have not raced a 10 miler before, as I usually focus on marathons, so I was just guessing as to what pace I should leave the gate at. I think I could have gained a little bit had I went out at a 6:15, but really I think I'm splitting hairs at this point. Given that I went into this race with no race-specific training and a strained soleus muscle, I am pretty happy with the result. I think with some more speedwork, I could get down to 60 flat. Thanks for reading!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
04/14/19 04:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice! I read somebody put the turnaround cone in the wrong spot by a few meters and it cost the (otherwise) new CR that they set this year. Sucks lol. Also great race

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/14/19 09:49 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

20 miler
3:04?
Watch said 1,300’ but supposedly it’s sold as more like 2k...

Quick q. I cramped BAD the last 2-3.
Did I?
Undertrain for the distance?
Not drink enough water?
Not get enough salt?

Any of the above, impossible to say?
ALL of the above


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/19 06:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

You have a solid base, no? Was this a race? Did you taper? I'd assume a combo of dehydration/salt and cumulative fatigue?

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/15/19 08:06 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Not the most solid base:
Average 21/week for the year (started at like 12 tho)
~35 week for a few weeks building up to this, peak 41?)
Longest run only 14 ish though (this particularly stands out)
Add in 3-ish hours of cyclign every week

I think there's a limit to the benefit of the cycling and I'm finding it in the legs. HR was pretty low towards the end, but the legs just couldn't move. The cramps were miserable for the last .5 and for a good 15 minutes after.



charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/15/19 10:03 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ah, I think the relatively short long run prep is the primary culprit. At the end of the day, your body needs to get used to running for that extended period of time.

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/15/19 12:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Probably true, good reminder for future endeavors.

With ultras it's pretty common to not do a full length shake down, so I sort of trusted some shit I read about if you can run the metric distance you can do it. (i.e if you can run 20km, you can run 20 miles). Of course simply running a distance and attempting to run quick are different.

I still set a 30km PR since everything I've done this long before was my "forever" pace.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
04/16/19 08:13 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Congrats on the PR, man!

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/01/19 03:20 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dis gonna be good.

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a27330641/hoka-project-carbon-x/


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/19 07:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sub 6 minute miles for a 50 miler/100k. That is fucking bananas.

Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
05/02/19 10:30 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I ran a 5k at sub 6 pace once...
It fuckin hurt.


**DONOTDELETE**
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05/02/19 11:01 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I run a mile at sub 6 once

It fucking hurt


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/03/19 01:50 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

So I was talking with the wife about this the other night; what do you consider "fast"? We were talking about marathons specifically, and she and I had different opinions on what we classified as "fast", but I would love to get your opinions on this. This doesn't have to be purely about marathons, either.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
05/06/19 11:41 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

IMHO, it's all relative. I just ran the OC Half in 1:41:36. Fast for me, slow for this group.



Lots of factors based on age, course difficulty, weather, etc. I think if you can place in the top 20% of your age group, you're quick enough.


**DONOTDELETE**
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05/07/19 03:13 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Design I'm within minutes of you FWIW.

I'd say that's "quick" for us humans
1:30 is fast, to me
That said, I know the pros and even "locals" can do it MUCH faster.


Really depends on the audience. I mean the new 50mile time is the same pace as a strong mile for me. It would take me months to string together 50 miles that fast.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/15/19 06:56 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Training for Chicago starts in a bit less than a month for me. I've been putting in a decent amount of work in the off season; I'm really hoping all the maintenance running I've been doing will help me get closer to my goal.

By the numbers, I have 800+ miles in 2019 (will be over 900 by the time June gets here), with 5 16 milers, 4 15 milers, 6 14 milers, and a smattering of 12-13 mile long runs logged, averaging anywhere from 45-55 miles per week. In comparison, in the 2018 off season I ran 400 miles, with 2 15 milers, 1 14 miler, and 2 13 milers going into marathon training. I'm very encouraged by both the amount of volume I've been able to sustain and the significant drops in pace.

Hitting sub 2:50 at Chicago feels very attainable, all of a sudden.


2000CheetahStud
(Post Master Supreme)
05/22/19 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Im running Chicago too. Shooting for a 7hr PR.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
06/12/19 10:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Sooooooooo is this thing dead or nah? \:\(

**DONOTDELETE**
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06/18/19 04:44 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

pretty much dead

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
07/22/19 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Is the Strava group still up?

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
07/27/19 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Yep, I'm still following all you fuckers

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/06/19 02:02 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Whelp, the running has come full stop as of late last week. On the last day of vacation, was playing in a ball pit with the kids and came down on the right ankle HARD. Severe sprain with partially torn ligaments and a fractured fibula. Basically no running for 3-4 months.

I go in for reconstructive surgery on Wednesday to get everything bolted down and aligned. Wish me luck!


stickaz_old
(Post Master Supreme)
08/08/19 01:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Dam that sucks. I'm on month 9 of.non running fwiw. I think.im.a.non-runner.now.officially. maybe next year the achilles.will be better, dunno. Good luck to you

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/10/19 10:19 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man. I'm recovering after getting 4 screws and a plate in the ankle. It's going to be a long road back but I'm not willing to give up just yet lol.

Best of luck on the achilles.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
08/11/19 01:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yeeeeeesh sorry to hear about the injuries, guys. Slow and steady on the recovery, don't try and rush back too quickly.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
08/12/19 08:09 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

9 Week check-in (Does anyone read this anymore?)

I'm halfway through the training cycle for Chicago. I've run every day since June 10, averaged 70 mpw over the 9 weeks. I've had some small nagging issues, but overall I am feeling strong/durable. I think there's some aches and pains that are inherent in sustained high mileage.

That being said, I don't know if I'm feeling 2:50 strong. As of now, thinking about adjusting my expectations to 2:55; I'm not hitting marathon pace, nor am I hitting target tempo pace. I can't tell if it's the cumulative fatigue, the heat/humidity, or the elevation changes on my usual route. I have a 15k time trial coming up in a couple weeks and will be able to make a better determination then.



**DONOTDELETE**
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08/12/19 01:26 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

The move has sucked my running down to single digits. I've made it up a few mountains at least this season. Missed a 50 miler because I was woefully underprepared.

I have a 50k I might do in 4 weeks, woefully underprepared


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/19 08:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

For anyone that cares/still reads this thread, I had my longest run of the training cycle this Sunday; did 24 with negative splits. Pretty happy with the pace; I cruised it and while tired, was not destroyed at the end of it.

I will say I am feeling the fatigue today. Had 6x600 repeats yesterday, and I've got 15 today and a 15k time trial Friday. Might have to pull back the pace a bit today to try and recover quicker for Friday.



Design
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/19 12:57 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice job. I'm still down for another 3 months, but enjoy seeing the progress posts.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
09/25/19 06:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yisssssssssssssss



Ampsman in Extremis
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/19 01:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

This thread still alive?

Good job on Boston!!


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/05/19 11:25 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Update. Did my first outdoor run Sunday. A simple 4/1 for 3 miles. Ankle is a little stiff but doing fine.

Need to spend more time focusing on running form. But overall things are coming back together.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/19 03:59 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

dam youre already ahead of me. I'm at/about 1 or at most 2 mpw right now, with an elliptical session thrown in. Achilles tenderness in the tendonosis spot ~4" up from heel is still present.

Biking around 70 mpw/swimming 5k yds/week tho and have doubled down on lifting. Gaining weight heh


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/19 04:52 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

My personal experience says you might be suffering from range of motion issues. Stretch, foam roll, then more stretching!

Those that have me on Strava know I've been pretty active as of late. Usually 5-6 sessions a week. Nothing heavy, just reminding the ankle it's supposed to move regularly. \:D


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
11/13/19 05:22 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

yea I don't know that I care right now honestly, I do some yoga too. Post-running career is kinda awesome. I feel.... healthier lol

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/19 02:43 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been trying to alter my running form. Chicago was awesome, ran a huge PR at 2:51:43, but I am very very quad dominant. My quads were completely fried after the race, while my hamstrings/glutes were completely fine. Been slowly working towards a more hip-dominant stride. Hopefully can make some good progress before training for Boston starts (Mid-December). Boston goal: 2:45-2:47 I think is realistic.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/19 05:14 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: KEVIN RETURNS
yea I don't know that I care right now honestly, I do some yoga too. Post-running career is kinda awesome. I feel.... healthier lol




Sometimes I wonder why I keep up with this crazy sport. I do honestly enjoy it. But getting back to par, and mitigating all the aches along the way, is sure testing my patience. \:D

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
I've been trying to alter my running form. Chicago was awesome, ran a huge PR at 2:51:43, but I am very very quad dominant. My quads were completely fried after the race, while my hamstrings/glutes were completely fine. Been slowly working towards a more hip-dominant stride. Hopefully can make some good progress before training for Boston starts (Mid-December). Boston goal: 2:45-2:47 I think is realistic.


How much do you think the weather and hills will impact your pace?


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/19 08:09 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Weather will be a larger impact than the hills. Thankfully I have some decent rolling hills here so it won't be too jarring come April; the weather will have a larger impact. I don't do well in the rain or anything above 55-60 degrees.

Corytrade
(Post Master Supreme)
11/19/19 04:17 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc.
yisssssssssssssss

oh shit, late on this but Congrats!

Can someone link/invite me to the Strava group. I can't find it. Cory Larsen.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/26/19 09:03 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

thanks! Invited you

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
11/27/19 09:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Running form is finally starting to click. Really starting to understand how the hip/pelvis is supposed to drive running form.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
12/31/19 11:51 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

It's been a while since I've shared an update. Still running and have been slowly adding back some miles. The ankle and calf are still a bit stiff from surgery, but getting better week over week. Tomorrow I'll try to knock out 16 miles if I can.

Going to keep LA Marathon on the calendar but suspect it will be a struggle this year. Regardless, glad to be moving again.

 Originally Posted By: charlie_td1
Running form is finally starting to click. Really starting to understand how the hip/pelvis is supposed to drive running form.


Not sure if you incorporate strength into your routine, but it was a wakeup call for me.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
01/02/20 09:43 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: Design
It's been a while since I've shared an update. Still running and have been slowly adding back some miles. The ankle and calf are still a bit stiff from surgery, but getting better week over week. Tomorrow I'll try to knock out 16 miles if I can.

Going to keep LA Marathon on the calendar but suspect it will be a struggle this year. Regardless, glad to be moving again.

 Originally Posted By: charlie_td1
Running form is finally starting to click. Really starting to understand how the hip/pelvis is supposed to drive running form.


Not sure if you incorporate strength into your routine, but it was a wakeup call for me.
Yep, when not in a training cycle, I incorporate weights in. Lots of squats, plyo, deadlifts, etc.

My year in review. Pretty happy with how much I've progressed this year.


schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
02/11/20 02:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

update over here: hoping not to jinx it, but I ran just a tad Sat on the tmill, and did it Sunday too [foolishly, most likely], but with 30m of elliptical warmup, I ran 1.5 miles @ ez pace sat, followed by the same elliptical + tmill sunday and my achilles feels good to great just walking around

still some mild soreness if I press into the damaged region about 4" above the heel, but its been 15 months and I no longer limp at all on 10k step days so I figure its probably safe to hold mild treadmill jogging at the 1-2x/week level , maybe peaking at 4-5 mpw for a month or 2 to see what that does to me. This is officially week 2 I guess therefore of my 'return to running'

most likely, the wheels will come off but I'm gonna keep any mileage increases super mild. I will not go further than 2 miles per jog, no more than 2x/week for at least the first month or 6 weeks or so. After that I'm thinking about an outdoor 5k either on a track or in the grass \:o


over the past year or so I'd always try to throw a half-mile or mile ez decline treadmill onto an elliptical workout but it always left me a bit inflamed so I'd push it off for another 4 weeks. Really depressing


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
02/12/20 11:40 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Nice... take things easy and try not to build too much too fast.

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/04/20 09:11 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Less than 7 weeks to go until Boston.

This training cycle has not been the best for me...I started a week late, had a couple small niggling calf injuries, then rolled and sprained the shit out of my ankle 3 weeks ago, resulting in having to take a week off. That being said, I was very aggressive on my return to activity; I'm hoping my fitness is still close to where I want it to be.

Still targeting sub 2:45:xx, but we'll see. Yesterday I had 800 meter repeats and I couldn't comfortably hit the pace I wanted to; I was off by 5-10 sec/mile. Granted, I had a fairly challenging 24 miler on Sunday and my stomach was not happy with me, but it is discouraging nonetheless. We'll see how the rest of this training cycle goes, I suppose. I have 4 more weeks of 80+ mpw, then I start my taper.
Cherry Blossom 10 miler is 2 weeks before Boston, so it will be a good chance to measure my fitness. Hoping for sub 59:00.


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/06/20 10:52 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good luck man. Your Strava readouts have been solid.

LA Marathon this weekend. Got pulled last minute into a duo team; will be pushing a friend of mine's son in a wheelchair for a good portion of the race. I'm a bit relieved since she runs a little slower than I do (a good thing for my ankle recovery).

Although my midrange speed is getting better, I still have a ways to go. Need a few more months to dial in the long range miles.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/10/20 07:34 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

How'd LA go?

Speaking of California.....



Let's see if I can get into the 2:30s...


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/12/20 12:23 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

That's awesome. We have quite a few here in the Run Club that do CIM and speak very highly of it.

LA was fantastic. My 2nd favorite marathon, right behind my first one back in 2014. Ran about 90 minutes slower than my usual, pacing my friend (she actually did most of the pushing). The miles breezed by - chatted the entire time lol. Had 0 complaints from the ankle. Weather was a cool 55-60* for most of the race.

Felt well enough to do an easy 3 tonight. I think I'm ready to take on some interval training (albeit carefully).


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/13/20 08:15 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Boston postponed. I'm shutting down all training after Sunday and going into base building. going to recover for a bit then ramp up for September (likely month for Boston reschedule). Hoping to get a few 100+mpw in over the next training cycle.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/15/20 07:05 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Saw that - impacted a lot of folks here in So Cal. Overall the running community is pretty bummed right now. Rumor is this will impact all events through end of April, possibly May.

schtickaz.ai
(Post Master Supreme)
03/17/20 12:48 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I did 6.5 miles last week on [3] runs. wooo

not back yet tho I think I'll reduce to 4mpw for the forseeable future

achilles still gets tender to the touch after a 2 mile easy jog, but walking is 100% normal and no limping in the morning [unlike what I had for years prior to my stoppage]


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
03/25/20 10:29 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good to see you're still at it. I've learned a ton about how things are connected thanks to the broken leg. One thing out of alignment can wreak havoc on everything else.

Still running during the pandemic. Keeping a low profile and choosing routes less traveled. Seems to be the one thing keeping me sane during our Shelter-in-Place mandate.


charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
03/26/20 11:05 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I was going to shut it down for a bit, but running is the only thing keeping me sane, it seems. Reducing my mileage down to 60-70 mpw for now. What a weird time to be alive.

**DONOTDELETE**
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04/07/20 01:28 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

All my race plans dead. Just building base still. I was light on miles anyhow

charlie_td1
(Post Master Supreme)
05/20/20 08:46 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran a mile for shits and giggles today. Haven't done any speed work in over a month and still ran a 5:15. I think I can get close to 5:00 with some distance specific workouts.

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
06/15/20 05:30 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Ran Sunday morning and rolled the ankle pretty good. It's a bit swelled on the outside, so taking it easy for 5-7 days. Hopefully just a mild sprain, but man this sucks. Staying patient...

latank
(Jr Member)
06/19/20 11:55 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been doing a 3mi loop (walking) for the past 2 months or so. So about 20 miles a week.

Changed eating habit to I/F. 23/1

So far I'm down to 254 from 282 or so.


latank
(Jr Member)
07/01/20 10:07 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Knocked out another 20+ week. Weighed in at 251 today. Not much of a loss this time since I ate too much crap last week.

latank
(Jr Member)
07/06/20 06:40 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Another 20+ mi the past 6 days. Weight, 247

Design
(Post Master Supreme)
07/14/20 02:42 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Good job man.

They just closed the gyms here again in So Cal (again). Fortunately I think the ankle is good enough to resume regular outdoor runs. 6 miles tonight with 0 complaints. \:D


latank
(Jr Member)
07/14/20 10:39 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thanks man! I won't touch the gym for a while. Especially since I'm in Texas.

Knocked out 25+mi this past week. No change in weight. This has happened in the past and usually within a week or so I'll drop some lbs. Aiming for 239 by the EOM.


latank
(Jr Member)
08/15/20 11:18 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still busting out 20mi weeks.
Weight 246


CrazeD
(Post Master Supreme)
08/16/20 07:21 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

 Originally Posted By: latank
Thanks man! I won't touch the gym for a while. Especially since I'm in Texas.

Knocked out 25+mi this past week. No change in weight. This has happened in the past and usually within a week or so I'll drop some lbs. Aiming for 239 by the EOM.


How's your nutrition looking? Even with a lot of running, it can be hard to make gains if you're still stuffing your face (ask me how I know \:\) )


latank
(Jr Member)
08/17/20 11:26 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

I've been doing IF for a solid 4 months now. Usually I have 1 meal a day (1400-2000 calories) as this gives me the option to eat whatever I want. However, I suspect I've been cheating more and more lately, leading to slower weight loss.
Not to mention I've also been eating more throughout the day.


latank
(Jr Member)
02/28/21 10:10 AM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Still in it lol
4.5 miles a day
Starting 260 1/2021
Today 243


Design
(Post Master Supreme)
11/14/21 04:00 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread

Thought I'd update this thread after nearly a year of inactivity. Ran the Big Bear Half after having a sour performance at the LA Marathon (sinus congestion + knotted stomach).

This was #4 of back-2-back races that had all been rescheduled from earlier in the year. So I went into this race with 0 expectations and just wanting to have fun, and run by feel.

Felt pretty good the entire race, glancing only at the watch when I'd hit a mile interval. I couldn't believe it... my intervals were heading into negative splits for much of the run; 7:30, 7:15, 7:11... all the way down to 7:01. Managed to hold together the last couple miles for a Half Marathon PR - 1:34:49. Smashed by previous PR by a full 7 minutes from almost 3 years ago.

This was my first downhill race and totally loved it. A little sore today, but not nearly as bad as friends who ran similar efforts lol. Thinking the strength training helped me out a lot.

Anyway, pretty happy with my performance and will probably do it again next year.