#6201569 - 03/11/12 11:30 PM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Risky & Son
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 Raymerville is literally a stones throw away. I'll say it again since you have one fucking thick ass skull. WE GREW UP IN YOUR AREA DUMBASS. Never said it was shit. You're the one who is saying that woodbine is bullshit for location because of a paid fucking highway which makes everything ok. I drove on markham rd from 401 all the to stouffville for 6 fucking years and the traffic at 48 & 7 is bullshit 7 days a week. You even said yourself that if the 407 wasn't there you wouldn't have bought there... Hypocrite much? Markville is a shithole due to demographics and this is NOT the first time they have dumped millions into that mall and will make no fucking difference. But what the fuck do I know. I only fucking grew up around there and work at that fucking mall everyday. Oh shit I almost forgot there's the 407 just south of the mall. Damn all the people from the west and downtown are going to be all over this place once the $110m project is complete. Thank god for the 407!
Dude, I can't be bothered to even read your whining. Yes, you grew up in Markham and you know it all. We got it.
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#6201575 - 03/11/12 11:34 PM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Risky & Son
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For shit and giggles, I just did a quick toll calculation from 9th to 404...I think I am going to be taking 16th or Major Mack if I have to get on the 404.  (unless work is paying) Total distance (km):11.4 Cost per kilometre:$0.2420 Toll charges:$2.77 Trip toll charge:$0.60 Video toll charge:$0.00 Total toll charge*$3.37 WF is the trip toll charge of $0.60??? WTF...that is like a toll on a toll. 
Take 14th, took it twice today and kept a steady 70km/h-80km/h all the way to esna park/woodbine and caught most green lights.
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#6201619 - 03/11/12 11:53 PM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Hatorade
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For shit and giggles, I just did a quick toll calculation from 9th to 404...I think I am going to be taking 16th or Major Mack if I have to get on the 404. (unless work is paying) Total distance (km):11.4 Cost per kilometre:$0.2420 Toll charges:$2.77 Trip toll charge:$0.60 Video toll charge:$0.00 Total toll charge*$3.37 WF is the trip toll charge of $0.60??? WTF...that is like a toll on a toll. Take 14th, took it twice today and kept a steady 70km/h-80km/h all the way to esna park/woodbine and caught most green lights.
Full of shit.
Between Brimley to Kennedy is a 50 zone and cops love it there. Let us know when you get a ticket.
Is this all you got? You're the ONLY one here with YOUR point of view and is clearly the minority.
We get it the 407 solves all and prime locations don't mean shit when it comes to market "value".
I actually find this quite entertaining. Arguing on the internet with someone that actually knows the area 100% better than you do... 
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#6201655 - 03/12/12 12:15 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Euphoric
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brah soon as that 110 mil goes into the mall risky gonna be up in durr buying boss suits bro.
lol who gives a shit about some garbage mall?
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#6201680 - 03/12/12 12:28 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Risky & Son
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For shit and giggles, I just did a quick toll calculation from 9th to 404...I think I am going to be taking 16th or Major Mack if I have to get on the 404. (unless work is paying) Total distance (km):11.4 Cost per kilometre:$0.2420 Toll charges:$2.77 Trip toll charge:$0.60 Video toll charge:$0.00 Total toll charge*$3.37 WF is the trip toll charge of $0.60??? WTF...that is like a toll on a toll. Take 14th, took it twice today and kept a steady 70km/h-80km/h all the way to esna park/woodbine and caught most green lights. Full of shit. Between Brimley to Kennedy is a 50 zone and cops love it there. Let us know when you get a ticket. Is this all you got? You're the ONLY one here with YOUR point of view and is clearly the minority. We get it the 407 solves all and prime locations don't mean shit when it comes to market "value". I actually find this quite entertaining. Arguing on the internet with someone that actually knows the area 100% better than you do...
I am sure you know the area better than I do, but you clearly fail at understanding infrastructure investment and you know fuck all about York Region's long term plan for the that part of Markham. Again, I don't care anymore, it has been proven that you don't argue from a logical perspective, you run all your shit on emotion and a bunch of declined credit card transactions.
You do raise an interesting point though:
Let's take two houses:
House A (Elgin Mills/404) 600k
House B (48/407) 400k
Let's assume the houses are comparable, but the one by 404 commands a 200k premium due to "free" highway.
You expect to live in said house for 30 years (this is a stretch...)
Assume 407 round trip to 404/407 is $3/each way from 48 or $6/day round trip. Over thirty years if you take the 407 EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY it's 65k over 30 years. Proximity is the same to anywhere in the city as it is from HOUSE A...except house A has 200k more of mortgage to pay off, which can't be changed. House B has alternatives to 407 and has a lower mortgage.
I also realize that 407 will go up, etc but this is just to show a different a point of view. In this case house is still fucked because they have an additional 200k loan PLUS INTEREST AMORTIZED OVER 25 years, so make that 200k = 350k to be realistic if some of you want to get anal about math here.
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#6201704 - 03/12/12 12:37 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Hatorade
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dude I didn't move into the area because of what it HAD, I don't give a FUCK what it had, i give a shit about where the area is headed. Not all of us live in the past, hence why you are so fucking misinformed.
In the end East Markham is still in the middle of nowhere, only saving grace is the 407. People buy there for only one reason. They want more for their money and willing to sacrifice distance for it. Tons of people are willing to do that and there is nothing wrong with that.
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#6201709 - 03/12/12 12:44 AM
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Risky & Son
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dude I didn't move into the area because of what it HAD, I don't give a FUCK what it had, i give a shit about where the area is headed. Not all of us live in the past, hence why you are so fucking misinformed. In the end East Markham is still in the middle of nowhere, only saving grace is the 407. People buy there for only one reason. They want more for their money and willing to sacrifice distance for it. Tons of people are willing to do that and there is nothing wrong with that.
I actually bought there because I love the area and no cookie cutter subdivision will ever have that neighbourhood character.
I also bought because MY area, NOT surrounding areas, but MY area is beginning to go through a redevelopment stage, which is what East York/Leaside went through. Houses are getting knocked down or expanded.
I bought because I have a lot big enough to build a beautiful home down the road or have the option of selling for land value. I won't get into specifics, but there are already a few custom homes coming up in my area because our lots here aren't 25 feet or whatever subdivisions have.
At the end of it all I look at it pretty simple, people pay a premium for new homes now, but they are getting less in reality. In 20 years an old house in east markham will look and feel as old as the new builds now, except they will have character/community feel/and most importantly LAND as that's all that you really have at the end of the day.
BUT Y0, MY HOUSE IS NEW AND IT'S ON THE FREE HIGHWAY THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT, FUCK INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS, FUCK MARKHAM LONG TERM PLANNING, FUCK COMMUNITY, FUCK THAT. GRANITE COUNTER TOP NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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#6202212 - 03/12/12 10:22 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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SiRice
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Honestly Risky, don't take offence. I like the area you live in. I used to live even further East by Wootten Way in the 70's-80's and it is a nice area. I like the larger lots and the non-cookie cutter homes (to a point) but there are limitations to being so far East. Yes, the 407 is an option but many people don't share your opinion and refuse to use it, making your area a bit far from a viable free highway.
The investment in Markville Mall won't make that much of a difference. When Markville was first put in, it did help create a boon for the area but since then, the further expansions (essentially doubling the size of the mall!) didn't make much of a difference.
If your happy with your place that's all that matters. I still live in Markham and when it's time to get a house I want to find a place in Markham. I'm just too damn comfortable living here but I've gotten used to the limitations of the area.
Here are the big ones:
limited points of connections going South, Markham Rd, McCowan, Kennedy, Warden, Woodbine, 404. It was a problem in the 80's and the Town never addressed it, like WTF? This was an obvious issue 3 decades ago!
No free highway. It was even worse when there was no 407 but there has been NO improvement on Hwy 7's traffic after 407's installation. In fact it has gotten worse.
Shitty transit system, they are trying to address this with the LRT but I'm not going to hold my breath on this one. I've seen how committed Markham has been to transit.
Markham has constantly been focusing development further West. McCowan Rd was for a short while before it kept moving West. Now they are focusing on Markham Downtown. The development in Cornell may well shift the balance once they started running out of room to expand west but the major commercial properties will be on the West side. Will people want to live closer to work? I don't know but generally property values are higher the closer to work you get.
With all that being said, would it bother me to move back East into your area? No, not at all, I would totally consider it. But I'm not so disillusioned to think that 407 suddenly makes my area equal to a house close to say the 404 or the 401.
Besides, I applaud you... you don't live in Pickering!
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#6202220 - 03/12/12 10:24 AM
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No mpc no care
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#6202296 - 03/12/12 10:46 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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Besides, I applaud you... you don't live in Pickering!
 ^^FU!
I prefer my section of Pickering to almost anywhere in Markham
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#6202354 - 03/12/12 11:09 AM
Re: Housing bubble???
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So...your parents that are to blame for the influx of the FOBs to Markham. They started the movement.
Not like my family was too far behind... 
I used to live even further East by Wootten Way in the 70's-80's and it is a nice area.
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#6202356 - 03/12/12 11:10 AM
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A house isn't strictly an investment, its primarily a place to live. Location is important, not just necessarily proximity to work. Location to recreation activities, schools, shopping etc.
Quality of life is also important. I'd rather not be house poor. I want to afford my mortgage, take vacations every year, drive a relatively nice vehicle, save for RRSPs, RESPs, general savings etc, all while having a decent size house.
You can't do that shit in Markham/Toronto. You are stuck paying a high mortgage on a small house with no money for anything else. That shit isn't for me. I'd rather have a mix of people in my neighbourhood too. There are small business owners, engineers and architects, middle managers and retirees all in a 6 house radius from me. I don't want all fobs, or all whites, or all blacks or indians.
That means no Markham, too many fobs , no Brampton, too much curry, no Scarborough etc
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#6202413 - 03/12/12 11:36 AM
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phoenixrage
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A house isn't strictly an investment, its primarily a place to live. Location is important, not just necessarily proximity to work. Location to recreation activities, schools, shopping etc.
Quality of life is also important. I'd rather not be house poor. I want to afford my mortgage, take vacations every year, drive a relatively nice vehicle, save for RRSPs, RESPs, general savings etc, all while having a decent size house.
You can't do that shit in Markham/Toronto. You are stuck paying a high mortgage on a small house with no money for anything else. That shit isn't for me. I'd rather have a mix of people in my neighbourhood too. There are small business owners, engineers and architects, middle managers and retirees all in a 6 house radius from me. I don't want all fobs, or all whites, or all blacks or indians.
people decide how they spend their money, not everyone needs to drive BMW's to get to work, nor have 10k+ in camera equipment to enjoy their time. Nevermind the fact that maybe people moving into these homes are moving up because their first home went up in value enough where they can afford it? (since they have build up enough equity).
seriously dude, you really need to stop and think of other possibilities on how people afford to live where they are, and not just think about the first time buyers who are trying to get into the market and question how they get their place.
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#6202447 - 03/12/12 11:46 AM
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