#9459819 - 12/07/18 09:22 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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What did you order?
It depends on the brand you ordered, the shit weed (80% of what's available ships fast as plenty of it is on hand since no one is reordering that hay. The good stuff can take a while.
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#9460041 - 12/07/18 01:03 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Which brand?
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#9460351 - 12/07/18 04:55 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Let me know what you think, this is a Tilray brand, they've done well on the medical side which is grown from their BC indoor site, the Canaca brand is from a greenhouse in Ontario or they are most likely reselling 7acres product...meaning it will be a hit or a miss quality wise. Let me know what the experience is like regardless!
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#9460981 - 12/09/18 09:09 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Risky you seem to know a lot of manufactures in this space. I have tried a couple of samples from the OCS and nothing really impressed me...I have had better outdoor.
All these flavour profiles that they use to sell the product only exist when smelling the bud and maybe the first draw off a portable vape. Once ignited or used in a volcano those profiles are no longer noticeable.
I tried some stuff that was supposed to be 23% THC and it definitely didn't feel as strong as advertised.
Is there a brand/strain that you would recommend from the OCS?
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#9461014 - 12/09/18 10:24 AM
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs.
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#9461115 - 12/09/18 01:38 PM
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Risky you seem to know a lot of manufactures in this space. I have tried a couple of samples from the OCS and nothing really impressed me...I have had better outdoor.
All these flavour profiles that they use to sell the product only exist when smelling the bud and maybe the first draw off a portable vape. Once ignited or used in a volcano those profiles are no longer noticeable.
I tried some stuff that was supposed to be 23% THC and it definitely didn't feel as strong as advertised.
Is there a brand/strain that you would recommend from the OCS?
Let me know what you tried first before I make a recommendation, you are bang on though. Smell and appearance are only the beginning, how it burns is a big thing, colour of ash, etc.
Lastly, if something is high on cannabinoid potency but has low terpene content, it could produce weak highs. There are strains out there with mid teens THC that are heavy on terps that will knock your socks off compared to a single THC high strain.
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#9461116 - 12/09/18 01:39 PM
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs.
This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all.
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#9461517 - 12/10/18 09:02 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all.
In other words..
You get what you pay for?
Im looking into the 1:1 CBD and THC pills, but I dont know how much MG is too much. Is 1 pill enough to take?
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#9461540 - 12/10/18 09:21 AM
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Start with 20mg and move up.
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#9461724 - 12/10/18 12:23 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Let me know what you tried first before I make a recommendation, you are bang on though. Smell and appearance are only the beginning, how it burns is a big thing, colour of ash, etc.
Lastly, if something is high on cannabinoid potency but has low terpene content, it could produce weak highs. There are strains out there with mid teens THC that are heavy on terps that will knock your socks off compared to a single THC high strain.
Did not know that high terps would affect the experience that much very very interesting. I tried tangerine dream, and a couple of others but a friend ordered them so i didn't pay much attention to the names but they weren't instantly familiar other than tangerine dream.
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#9461961 - 12/10/18 05:43 PM
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all.
There is quality bud from quality growers out there. In fact some of the best growers probably aren't even liscensed because of the process. That said. I've found you get what you pay for in this industry. Been smoking everyday for 15 years. I'm no expert but I know good weed when I see it.ive been using moms for years (haha that sounds funny). I have come across some bad weed but at this point there is too much info on the web to not find the good stuff. Plenty of forums with reviews on the bud and the source. One thing about these large corporate grows is that they are looking more at moving quantity over quality. I like small batch craft cannabis like I like my craft beer.
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#9461962 - 12/10/18 05:44 PM
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all. In other words.. You get what you pay for? Im looking into the 1:1 CBD and THC pills, but I dont know how much MG is too much. Is 1 pill enough to take?
On the rec market none of this is relevant since you don't have choice. If you have access to the medical market usually the lowest potency 1:1 capsules have about ~2.5mg THC and ~2.5mg CBD, so 5mg total. For someone trying to find dosage it's best to start with something low like this, chances are it won't do much though, but I've also seen people trip balls of a single 5mg capsule.
Again anecdotally I'd say 10mg total is a good starting point, so two of those very weak capsules for a woman or a smaller man would probably be sufficient, trial and error. For a bigger person you are probably looking at 20mg like what Bill said.
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#9461968 - 12/10/18 05:50 PM
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all. There is quality bud from quality growers out there. In fact some of the best growers probably aren't even liscensed because of the process. That said. I've found you get what you pay for in this industry. Been smoking everyday for 15 years. I'm no expert but I know good weed when I see it.ive been using moms for years (haha that sounds funny). I have come across some bad weed but at this point there is too much info on the web to not find the good stuff. Plenty of forums with reviews on the bud and the source. One thing about these large corporate grows is that they are looking more at moving quantity over quality. I like small batch craft cannabis like I like my craft beer.
The government is trying to bring all black market growers out of the woodwork by letting them get micro licenses, so we will see how many convert.
The best growers are black market guys, this is fact I agree. While you can definitely appreciate the quality of their end product, you aren't there supervising what they are doing for 8-14 weeks (depending on strain) on how they grow their plants. These plants require a lot of care and there are a ton of harmful pesticides that really help nurture the plants that are banned in the legal system. So while you have a nicer end product from a black market guy you could be ingesting microbial and pesticide counts through the roof.
In California they mandated all grey market cannabis to get third party testing for it to be sold and while it's some of the best stuff out there (getting $25/gram) majority failed QC testing miserably because labs result are finding all kinds of garbage on the buds...that would compromise a sick person's immune system.
We are all beating on a dead horse, black market guys know what's up, but their shit is 99% contaminated with harmful chemicals and you have commercialized growers who grow mass produced trash and can get away with it since quality producers are very far and few in between. Eventually we will find the middle ground where commercial guys will figure it out and or black market guys will also figure out how to grow cleaner and become micros.
I am looking to work with both 
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#9461969 - 12/10/18 05:53 PM
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the Aurora CBD pills from ocs are great vas lemme know when you're up and running lol...get some test samples :P
Hopefully sometime in 2019, we just announced a supply agreement with a pharma company that will be using our product for clinical trials. Based on that alone and how much funding this research gets we might not have supply for much else.
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#9461972 - 12/10/18 05:57 PM
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I would start with 5-7 mg if you are new and ingesting. 2nd dose in an hour if no effect
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#9461974 - 12/10/18 05:59 PM
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Yes it's still early. I'm hoping things change. Just have to wait it out and see
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#9461977 - 12/10/18 06:01 PM
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Let me know what you tried first before I make a recommendation, you are bang on though. Smell and appearance are only the beginning, how it burns is a big thing, colour of ash, etc.
Lastly, if something is high on cannabinoid potency but has low terpene content, it could produce weak highs. There are strains out there with mid teens THC that are heavy on terps that will knock your socks off compared to a single THC high strain.
Did not know that high terps would affect the experience that much very very interesting. I tried tangerine dream, and a couple of others but a friend ordered them so i didn't pay much attention to the names but they weren't instantly familiar other than tangerine dream.
Tangerine dream if it was from MedReleaf it should be pretty good, it's one of the best reviewed strains from unbiased platforms. Don't rely on any reviews from lift & co, all that shit is rigged.
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#9461986 - 12/10/18 06:12 PM
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OK Thanks Risky, I think it was MedReleaf.
You are now the resident expert on all things weed.
How does one get one of these micro licenses? I'm sure it's still a high entry point.
I anticipate the opportunity for craft growers to take up a small piece of the market. Provided the bud is organic and quality. I went to an event at Growers choice held by Canna nutrients and they showed me a bud they grew that was only grown with their ferts (all organic and even vegan they claim) and it was the nicest bud I had seen, all dark purple with amazing citrus smells. I asked what it was and they were throwing around names they were gonna call - I guess these guys created the seeds.
I only check out leafly for reviews - which seem to be "I smoked this and it was the best ever 4.5/5"
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#9462131 - 12/11/18 04:58 AM
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Hardly an expert, but thanks. Also if someone could edit that out from below my username it would be great
If you are serious about a micro license Health Canada is holding a conference call for potential applicants this Thursday, I am dialing in to assess if any of them stand out with their questions and will probably be reaching out to a bunch as I want to work with a small network of good ones. I can send you the call in details if serious.
Entry is significantly easier than becoming an LP, you are limited in how much canopy space you have, but it's enough for you to have a profitable operation. I don't remember the exact details, I think micros will be allowed about 2k sq. ft. of grow space. They will only be able to sell to LP's who will third party test the product...IIRC.
There is no "organic" weed and if it's true organic it would be outdoor grown and garbage. I've looked into organic certs and this is a black hole I wish i never go into, but in short there is no organic cannabis. By definition organic cannabis must be grown in soil beds (you can't use stable grow mediums like rockwool or coco - soil growing is very complex because it has its own micro organisms that affect growth) with the use of 4 pesticides instead of the allowable 20. There are currently 3 LP's that claim organic, only 1 is semi organic, the other two are liars and market themselves as organic, but their finished product isn't actually organic, it's their growing process that's certified "organic" - wtf does that even mean? This shit is brutal as it misleads the consumer. When a grey market guy claims organic just walk away, vegan nutrients lol  Sometimes I hate this space.
Leafly FYI is also an LP owned review platform, Tilray out of BC owns them. Brendan bought them years ago, guy is a visionary. I do like to think they are a lot more objective though so it's not a bad source, good starting point anyway.
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#9462132 - 12/11/18 05:22 AM
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Hardly an expert, but thanks. Also if someone could edit that out from below my username it would be great
How's that? It's true, Im the color management expert and you're not.
There is no "organic" weed and if it's true organic it would be outdoor grown and garbage. I've looked into organic certs and this is a black hole I wish i never go into, but in short there is no organic cannabis. By definition organic cannabis must be grown in soil beds (you can't use stable grow mediums like rockwool or coco - soil growing is very complex because it has its own micro organisms that affect growth) with the use of 4 pesticides instead of the allowable 20. There are currently 3 LP's that claim organic, only 1 is semi organic, the other two are liars and market themselves as organic, but their finished product isn't actually organic, it's their growing process that's certified "organic" - wtf does that even mean? This shit is brutal as it misleads the consumer. When a grey market guy claims organic just walk away, vegan nutrients lol Sometimes I hate this space.
Are you able to share those 3 LPs who claim it's organic or not yet? Or can you at least say they are selling their products on OCS and I can figure it out from there.
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#9462135 - 12/11/18 05:32 AM
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Whistler Medical from BC is FVOPA Organic certified and grows in soil, in my mind they are the closest thing to "organic" as you will get. I think their products are available in BC only for the rec market, and Canada wide in the medical market.
The other two I don't want to call out, but anybody that has an "EcoCert" organic designation is full of it, their products are not easily identifiable on OCS as they wholesale to other LP's that brand the product as their own, truth be told I don't even think either make much so I highly doubt any of it is sitting on the market at this point.
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#9462178 - 12/11/18 08:20 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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And you say you aren't the expert - ha
Great info in here thanks Risky, I would love to get into this industry more and would be interested in joining the call to learn more about the space. I'll PM you. I've joined several calls from Canopy/Tweed in the past and have been able to ask Bruce a question about competing in the Cannabis Cup and he responded with "We would like to create out own competition" I loved his answer.
I'm guessing one of the non-organic claiming they are organic would be the organic dutchman. I'm not asking for confirmation, just throwing the idea out there - as they do have a strong brand promoting that they are organic.
Another organic question. If one where to grow their own personal stash with an organic blend of soil from say Scotts or Pro-mix and use 'organic' nutrients under artificial light that would not be considered organic? Does it need to be under natural sunlight to fall into this classification? I ask because this would be good USP (selling proposition) for a cannabis company.
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#9462183 - 12/11/18 08:33 AM
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Great insight risky. Thanks. I always like to hear what's really going on in the legal industry
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#9462232 - 12/11/18 09:46 AM
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The Organic Dutchman is most definitely the biggest abuser of the term organic and they are far from it, I will leave it at that.
Your follow up question on organic is actually a very good one.
Organic as far as cannabis is concerned revolves around growing in natural soil without the use of 75% of the allowable pesticides. Lighting source is not taken into account as lumens and light spectrum from sun or lights is considered the same so it's not relevant to getting organic certification.
HOWEVER
A 'reasonable person' as per the legal definition would assume that organic should also be grown in direct sunlight and not under artificial lights, and this is something I agree with. The reason (and I speculate here) organic doesn't take into account light source is because evidence is out there that you cannot grow medical cannabis outdoors that's pure enough from contaminants where it's safe for someone with a compromised immune system.
For a person that's sick, "organic" has to come from indoors if we agree that organic is soil grown with artificial light - jury still out here.
True organic is outdoor grown under natural light with nature's ecosystem fighting pests etc...this is true "organic" without marketable value. It doesn't have high cannabinoid potency, it has higher microbial levels, and medical efficacy is limited. This is the shit people smoked in the 60's.
It's a loaded question without a simple answer, it's almost as if there should be two organic streams, one for medical and one for recreational.
To add more complexity, certain pesticides get metabolized during the plant's flowering stage so when you do mandatory testing in the end you can't even find traces of that particular pesticide. There are a ton of little grey areas like this that haven't been addressed.
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#9462235 - 12/11/18 09:52 AM
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To go on a minor tangent here, while organic is a buzz word that's been around for a while I encourage most of you to buy organic/grass fed products whenever feasable. Seeing what chemicals are in certain pesticides and the fact that we have limited long term studies on their effects on humans I think mass farming practices with use of antibiotics and pesticides will become what smoking has become now.
Decades ago smoking was "safe", yet now you would be considered the biggest idiot if you smoke. In 10 years or less the same thing is going to happen with our food supply, eating non organic, mass produced food (fruits/veggies/meat) will be viewed the same way. It's still a grey area because organic is sometimes bullshit and people abuse the term and use it as a marketing gimmick so it will take a while to cut through the bullshit so we all have transparency. In short, try to avoid commercially farmed products, if you can buy wild caught salmon over atlantic farmed salmon, etc, etc.
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#9462242 - 12/11/18 09:55 AM
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Great insight risky. Thanks. I always like to hear what's really going on in the legal industry
It's a land grab and most of us are learning/don't know what we are doing.
In 2016 everyone was talking about square feet and how they will be the biggest producer, then when they realized it's hard to grow they all moved to extracts and oils, now that extraction still hasn't been figured out and the tide is pulling out a lot of LP's are getting exposed. That's why I think it would be great if black market guys came out of the shadows and became micro/craft growers and worked with proper LP's. There is massive demand for good product and the black market guys can help fill that.
Gotta keep it simple, people try to be everything to everyone and in the end they produce nothing of value.
With our grow the goal is simple, grow pesticide free/irradiation free/potent. Figure this out and there will always be demand.
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