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#85319 - 11/17/05 08:33 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
transaxion Offline
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I filled mine four days ago and I still dont think they are dry...I can push it around without it sticking on my finger but it doesnt feel very solid in there...is this normal for the window weld?
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#85320 - 11/19/05 12:03 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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i still am totally lost about this crap...Any one can help with pics? cause i just dont understand on where you fill in the 3m window Weld thing...Im wanting to do it to my Driver side mount...and any where else?

this is my new mount i just put in. Seal around the rubber bushing?



Here are the pics to my old Torn up driver side Mount that i took out. Could i do it to my beat up ass old mount here? Or preferr doing it to my New OEM mount?





Edited by Milano Red Si (11/21/05 12:23 PM)
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#85321 - 11/22/05 01:46 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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alright, so pretty much, just cover up the entire rubber bushing with the 3M Window weld.?
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#85322 - 01/01/06 10:37 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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check out this tutorial. pretty much shows you want to do http://www.raktron.com/misc/mt.htm

i did the same thing but i bought some 80A durometer liquid urethane from mcmaster-carr and filled my mounts with that. it was like 28 bucks shipped for a pound of liquid urethane and if filled a couple mounts. its also available in 60a and 94a durometer if you wanted something softer or stiffer than 80a

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#85323 - 03/24/06 12:48 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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alright, so pretty much, just cover up the entire rubber bushing with the 3M Window weld.?




Yes.

Just basically take the mount out, and "fill" the empty area inside with the poly...

Let dry, could take a few days...I left mine out for a week, b/c I was working on some stuff...

So not sure how long it took to cure...

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#85324 - 03/30/06 02:24 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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would someone be able to explain how to take the motor mount out to do this project? I don't always understand things about cars, so I don't see how you can take out the motor mount without taking out the motor.
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#85325 - 03/31/06 02:11 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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would someone be able to explain how to take the motor mount out to do this project? I don't always understand things about cars, so I don't see how you can take out the motor mount without taking out the motor.




I suggest putting the car on jackstands first.

Then you will have the jack free.

Take a scrap piece of wood and set it ontop of the jack, slide it under the oil pan. The piece of wood helps distribute the wait and won't crush the pan.

Then you can pull out both of the side mounts/fix it let it cure, then reinstall.

The jack/rear motor mount and other 2 torque mounts well hold the engine in place.

Best of luck.
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#85326 - 04/10/06 11:36 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I'm not going to believe that an epoxy compound is going to fix a collapsed steel motor mount for more than a couple of months.
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#85327 - 04/11/06 12:24 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I'm not going to believe that an epoxy compound is going to fix a collapsed steel motor mount for more than a couple of months.




Mine wasn't "collapsed" but severly torn. It has been holding up to the abuse ever since....

Beleive what you want...

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#85328 - 04/12/06 06:02 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I'm sure there was no damaged steel in your mount. FYI the mounts look some-what like peace signs, the object is to fill the gaps and create a psuedo-solid bushing.

How long did it take your Windo-Weld to dry? I filled my torque mounts almost 7 days ago and they are still as soft and guppy as before any compound at all.
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#85329 - 04/13/06 12:37 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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How long did it take your Windo-Weld to dry? I filled my torque mounts almost 7 days ago and they are still as soft and guppy as before any compound at all.





Although it has been almost 2 yrs..I wanna say something like 3-5 days?

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#85330 - 04/15/06 12:14 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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The compound, this morning, is still goopy and will stick to my finger if I touch it. I bought 3m Windo-Weld. WTF is my problem, did I buy the wrong white tube of Windo-Weld?
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#85331 - 04/16/06 12:30 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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The compound, this morning, is still goopy and will stick to my finger if I touch it. I bought 3m Windo-Weld. WTF is my problem, did I buy the wrong white tube of Windo-Weld?




I only knew of one type..

Mine was black in color....and I bought it @ Vatazone..nothing special..

Don't quote me on the 3-5 days...I knew it took some time...

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#85332 - 04/18/06 06:52 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Well it is still soft as shit and it is about time to re-install them. I will go buy another tube (a white tube that says Wind-Weld with black compound) and add more..
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#85333 - 04/20/06 02:02 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Well it is still soft as shit and it is about time to re-install them. I will go buy another tube (a white tube that says Wind-Weld with black compound) and add more..




Good luck w/that.

Not sure why yours isn't curing..what does the back of the tube say?

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#85334 - 04/30/06 11:37 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Okay, I had a buddy do mine over the weekend...three out of the five...filled em on saturday afteroon, put em back in on sunday afternoon (earlier today). I drove home from Indianapolis to Chicago and it was great. The car vibrates a little bit more, but barely. Just enough to make it feel like the car has some conviction now...I don't know...it's hard to explain. It just kinda feels like a more solid machine now. Shifting is smoother and I'm pretty sure I notice it putting power down to the ground a little bit better (I don't know...this could all be in my head...except for the extra vibration...i'm sure of that).

It really is a good mod.
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#85335 - 05/01/06 12:38 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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^^^not to mention when i hit vtec in ur car in 2nd gear after puttin it back together it broke the tires lose on that road lol
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#85336 - 05/01/06 08:35 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Agreed, I forgot to mention the biggest thing I noticed was my shifting was more solid...

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#85337 - 05/01/06 09:42 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Ladies and gentleman, I introduce to you "silvertuner98"...

He's the cat that did my mounts...knows his shit...
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#85338 - 05/04/06 01:23 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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would it be wise to get new motor mounts along with motor mount inserts at the same time?
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#85339 - 05/04/06 04:31 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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would it be wise to get new motor mounts along with motor mount inserts at the same time?




That would be ideal, but not all of use can afford new mounts...

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#85340 - 05/04/06 04:45 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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But does it really matter though? I mean, you're filling them with a rather firm, rubber like substance as it is...

I'd say it doesn't matter...
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#85341 - 05/05/06 12:54 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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But does it really matter though? I mean, you're filling them with a rather firm, rubber like substance as it is...

I'd say it doesn't matter...




Logic would dictate that if you have a brand new mount filled w/a polymer based substance to increase it's stiffness it would be more solid than a used/broken/torn mount filled w/the same substance....

So obviously the new mount would be ideal, but like I said money doesn't grow on trees.

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#85342 - 05/05/06 02:14 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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or just buy inserts and also use the window weld. the GSR i just swapped into a eg hatch had this set up with busted ass mounts and the engine literally does not move at all. the next best thing would be solid metal mounts
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#85343 - 05/05/06 09:56 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I couldn't hande my motor being any stiffer though...my car shakes right now, but it's just enough. And Matt, remember how you warned me about the windoweld not being totally cured in the inside and possibly squirting out? Yeah, well....it did. It's no big deal though, just thought I'd tell you.
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#85344 - 05/05/06 12:30 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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which mount did that?
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#85345 - 05/05/06 09:55 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I never had that problem, just make sure it cures before you put it back in...took a few days I do remember...

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#85346 - 05/06/06 12:51 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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didnt have that option at all. he came down for a weekend, i started @ noon saturday, got the mounts out, filled them, and put them back in at around 3-4pm sunday
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#85347 - 05/15/06 12:49 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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didnt have that option at all. he came down for a weekend, i started @ noon saturday, got the mounts out, filled them, and put them back in at around 3-4pm sunday




That would do it.
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#85348 - 05/16/06 09:21 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Very niffty trick indeed, thanks for the info man, although I dont suffer from wheel hop, I cant hook worth a shit. I am not boosted or anything, but have a built b20, and b16head/tranny. Just to much tourqe for my purty 17's.
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#85349 - 06/06/06 09:02 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Very niffty trick indeed, thanks for the info man, although I dont suffer from wheel hop, I cant hook worth a shit. I am not boosted or anything, but have a built b20, and b16head/tranny. Just to much tourqe for my purty 17's.




mmkay.
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#85350 - 06/06/06 07:10 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Does this also reduce rattle? Ill be swapping in my boosted motor soon so I will have time to do this. I was thinking that if I were to do this that maybe it could reduce the amount of rattle a little so that I could stick in some inserts at the same time.
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#85351 - 06/15/06 12:07 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Does this also reduce rattle? Ill be swapping in my boosted motor soon so I will have time to do this. I was thinking that if I were to do this that maybe it could reduce the amount of rattle a little so that I could stick in some inserts at the same time.





Negative.

Stiffer mounts via inserts or the poly trick is going to transfer more vibration from the motor to the chassis....

Although I didn't "hear" anything I did notice an increased vibration in the steering wheel...

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#85352 - 07/27/06 08:27 AM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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Bump 4 teh n3wbs...

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#85353 - 12/20/06 12:29 PM Re: Best Mod, Happens to be the Cheapest too.....
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I did mine and they are awsome!!!! smooth smooth for me. Stuff works like a charm.
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