#4461594 - 01/26/10 04:46 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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hustler
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Exactly, i'd never heard of crash box either Faceplating, crash box, pro shifted, either way they remove the synchros.
http://www.libertysgears.com/faceplate.htm
So what did you think about it? I'm thinking of trading my 3 speed manual valvebodied c4 auto for a tremec 5 speed to get the overdrive. 1 and 5 are still synchro'd but 2,3,4 are faceplated.
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#4461795 - 01/26/10 05:35 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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Well, as far as daily driving a crash box for my regular/drive to work car, I wouldn't; you'd be better off just putting up with non-OD c4. As my "once in a while car" like the valiant, it wouldn't be that bad...though when I had the choice, I stuck with regular dog collars and synchros. Take a little more skill/knowledge imo...strikes one as being hardcore. Wouldn't let most my friends give it a try, that's for sure. It always felt like you were lucky to catch a gear...though I did every time. I can clutchless shift pretty good, so driving a crash box was a bit easier than clutchless shifting...matching rpm's wasn't too bad on the occassion I needed to.
imo, if you're someone who really likes to just drive, and only rarely race, just find a non-faceplated tremec and go with that...or maybe invest in rebuilding the trans you purchase to stock/ with synchros and all.
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#4461840 - 01/26/10 05:47 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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I think in DSM-land these are called "Dog boxes" but I'm not sure? Either way, they don't sound like much fun to DD...
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#4461871 - 01/26/10 05:57 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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I think in DSM-land these are called "Dog boxes" but I'm not sure? dog box is another name I'm familiar with...
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#4462107 - 01/26/10 07:12 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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ohhhhh... dog box...
I was like "what the fuck is a face-planted transmission?" I've driven a dogbox all of 17-ft.
even a straight-cut gearset in a syncro'd trans sucks.
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#4462462 - 01/26/10 08:50 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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The only thing I could think of that would resemble "faceplate" is an engine mount.
Learned something new.
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#4463111 - 01/27/10 12:46 AM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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hustler
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Can't really go more than 45 on the way to work anyway, so as long as I keep my foot out of it, should be able to make substantial improvements with the converter.
P.S. I just thought those were called "Motor Plates" Or a "Mid Plate" for the other ones
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#4463395 - 01/27/10 08:22 AM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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I've driven a couple different dog box DSMs and a dog box Evo. They were a little weird but the owners who had them for ages said that they were not an issue once you're used to it and they wouldn't hesitate to daily them (though they didn't because of other considerations).
Straight cut gears are a non-issue except for the whine they have.
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#4463408 - 01/27/10 08:26 AM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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That said you wouldn't want to let a manual transmission noob drive your dog box. The longevity of the dogs has a lot to do with their design. I've seen dog boxes with dogs that are pretty badly worn and need replacement and others that have very little wear after lots of miles.
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#4464043 - 01/27/10 11:26 AM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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My buddy had a face-plated tko600 that he drove daily in a mustang, and his wife drove some. It wasn't that bad. You just have to make firm positive shifts every time. It would however get very old in stop and go traffic. I would not do it on a daily driver.
here is a pic from liberty's website, showing the difference. http://www.libertysgears.com/faceplate-proshift.htm
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#4464639 - 01/27/10 01:16 PM
Re: Anyone ever driven a faceplated Transmission daily?
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I'm going to talk to a converter guru today, see what he can do with my current converter. Problem with the C4 auto is it doesn't have an overdrive or a locking converter. mileage = crap on highway. A Viper Spec T-56 would be great, but $$$$. Would need new bell, clutch, driveshaft, trans mount etc etc. Not a cheap proposition unless I can find a trade... not holding my breath. The people I've talked to say they wouldn't trade their faceplated trans now that they are used to it. So this is a hard call. Worried I'm going to drop the trans, dump another 400 to re-do converter, put it back together and still be unsatisfied and end up yanking it again to sell/trade it anyway. Choices choices.
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#8978817 - 03/20/17 09:58 PM
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