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#9205664 - 12/09/17 06:55 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Hatorade]
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If you're worried about big brother should have went with the Ecobee
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#9225559 - 01/05/18 09:39 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Wildout]
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Anyone read the terms for this program:

3. The Participant confirms that they have not removed (or have not permitted the removal of) the thermostat currently in use at the Property at the time of submitting the Participant’s Program application, and Participant agrees not to remove (or permit the removal) of the thermostat currently in use at the Property prior to the in-home installation.

Hmm that's odd. But wait there's more....


4. The Participant acknowledges and agrees that all right, title and interest in and to all benefits or entitlements associated with decreased environmental impacts now or in the future, direct or indirect, arising as a result of, relating to or in connection with the electricity savings or demand savings for which the Thermostats or other energy efficient devices and products have been provided, and the right to quantify and register these, including without limitation, any energy efficiency certificate, renewable energy certificate, credit, reduction right, offset, allocated pollution
right, and emission reduction allowance (collectively, the “Environmental Attributes”) are hereby transferred and assigned, or to the extent transfer or assignment is not permitted, held in trust in favour of Green Ontario Fund. Green Ontario Fund shall be entitled, unilaterally and without the Participant’s consent to deal with such Environmental Attributes in any manner it determines. The Participant further acknowledges and agrees that Green Ontario Fund may direct the Participant to take such actions and do all such things necessary to certify, obtain, qualify and register with the relevant authorities or agencies such Environmental Attributes for the purpose of transferring, assigning, or holding in trust, such Environmental Attributes to and for Green Ontario Fund. The Participant shall comply with any such directions, and will be entitled to reimbursement of the cost of complying with such direction, provided that Green Ontario Fund, acting reasonably, has approved such cost in writing prior to the cost being incurred by the Participant. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Participant may market, report and publish the environmental benefits and savings results associated with participation in the Program.
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#9225581 - 01/05/18 10:08 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: CIVIC dude]
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#3 You actually have to relinquish your thermostat to them when they install the new one as part of the program. This is their way of preventing people from reselling the new thermostats

#4 Cliff Notes?

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#9225587 - 01/05/18 10:17 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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#3 is you need to have the same thermostat at install vs the time you applied for this program. So if you have a decent thermostat now you change it for a really cheap one that will be taken away at install time.

#4 basically any savings as a result of your new thermostat or energy upgrades will be signed over to the green ontario fund company.

No thanks.....this shit is getting complicated.
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#9225589 - 01/05/18 10:19 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: CIVIC dude]
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Damn....that's a mouthful and a half. What the F is it saying?
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#9225594 - 01/05/18 10:22 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: CIVIC dude]
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 Originally Posted By: CIVIC dude
#3 is you need to have the same thermostat at install vs the time you applied for this program. So if you have a decent thermostat now you change it for a really cheap one that will be taken away at install time.

#4 basically any savings as a result of your new thermostat or energy upgrades will be signed over to the green ontario fund company.

No thanks.....this shit is getting complicated.


The $100ish for the smart thermostat isn't worth signing all the savings away.

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#9225634 - 01/05/18 11:10 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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Meh, I had me Ecobee installed this week lol.
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#9225730 - 01/06/18 07:43 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: CIVIC dude]
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 Originally Posted By: CIVIC dude
#3 is you need to have the same thermostat at install vs the time you applied for this program. So if you have a decent thermostat now you change it for a really cheap one that will be taken away at install time.

#4 basically any savings as a result of your new thermostat or energy upgrades will be signed over to the green ontario fund company.

No thanks.....this shit is getting complicated.


#3 does that mean any government incentive in the future or just those through the green on program?

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#9225774 - 01/06/18 09:22 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: loudsubz]
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Does everyone here understand that you won't save any money switching to these thermostats compared to a regular one?

It's a piece of novelty on your wall.

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#9225783 - 01/06/18 09:39 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Risky Business]
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Yup I just did it for ease of programming.
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#9225816 - 01/06/18 10:39 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Hatorade]
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I did it to keep up with with Hatorade.
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#9225817 - 01/06/18 10:44 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Does everyone here understand that you won't save any money switching to these thermostats compared to a regular one?

It's a piece of novelty on your wall.


Well I'd like to see a study that shows you don't save any money compared to a regular programmable one. If you have your programmable one locked down pretty good with a schedule and you are bang on with the schedule I don't see much of a savings but the smart feature to not have the home up to regular temps when you're not ther would definitely be a benefit, something a regular programmable one wont do automatically.

I feel you're talking about ROI then yes it would probably take a while to break even but with this program it's a no brainer as long as that terms and conditions is clarified a bit

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#9225821 - 01/06/18 10:51 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Does everyone here understand that you won't save any money switching to these thermostats compared to a regular one?

It's a piece of novelty on your wall.


True. My programmable one is programmed weekly and our routine doesn’t change. After the wall bling, it’s probably going to be programmed the same as it is now.

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#9225836 - 01/06/18 11:18 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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I did the Ecobee for pure convenience. My wife normally works from home, but she goes to the office twice a week (different days each week). I set the unit to be "away" during 9-5 M-F, but the sensors detect when she's home and automatically set it to "home" as long as it detects that someone is in the house. That feature alone is worth the cost of the unit. I couldn't care less if I get energy savings from it.
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#9225842 - 01/06/18 11:30 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: loudsubz]
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 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Does everyone here understand that you won't save any money switching to these thermostats compared to a regular one?

It's a piece of novelty on your wall.


Well I'd like to see a study that shows you don't save any money compared to a regular programmable one. If you have your programmable one locked down pretty good with a schedule and you are bang on with the schedule I don't see much of a savings but the smart feature to not have the home up to regular temps when you're not ther would definitely be a benefit, something a regular programmable one wont do automatically.

I feel you're talking about ROI then yes it would probably take a while to break even but with this program it's a no brainer as long as that terms and conditions is clarified a bit


What you are describing equates to literally pennies over a year and because there are so many variables at play (outside temp being the biggest one) there is no good prior data for any sort of baseline.

Like i said, it's just a novelty item. From a value add POV these things have zero relative to an ordinary thermostat. The only redeeming feature is the data aggregation which allows better understanding of usage, but it doesn't change a damn thing otherwise.

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#9225856 - 01/06/18 12:10 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
Does everyone here understand that you won't save any money switching to these thermostats compared to a regular one?

It's a piece of novelty on your wall.


Well I'd like to see a study that shows you don't save any money compared to a regular programmable one. If you have your programmable one locked down pretty good with a schedule and you are bang on with the schedule I don't see much of a savings but the smart feature to not have the home up to regular temps when you're not ther would definitely be a benefit, something a regular programmable one wont do automatically.

I feel you're talking about ROI then yes it would probably take a while to break even but with this program it's a no brainer as long as that terms and conditions is clarified a bit


What you are describing equates to literally pennies over a year and because there are so many variables at play (outside temp being the biggest one) there is no good prior data for any sort of baseline.

Like i said, it's just a novelty item. From a value add POV these things have zero relative to an ordinary thermostat. The only redeeming feature is the data aggregation which allows better understanding of usage, but it doesn't change a damn thing otherwise.


Can you link me to some articles that show that smart thermostats don't save any money at all?

Everything I read shows some savings, maybe not as much for those going from programmable to a smart unit VS those going from a traditional set once basic unit.

If you can show me some data that shows it only saves pennies a year I may change my mind \:\)

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#9225861 - 01/06/18 12:22 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: loudsubz]
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I like collecting leafs to show how green I am. Dat carbon footprint!
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#9225862 - 01/06/18 12:22 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: LNXGUY]
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 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I did it to keep up with with Hatorade.


LOL bet you can't keep up with my usage!
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#9225865 - 01/06/18 12:32 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Hatorade]
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#9225867 - 01/06/18 12:35 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: loudsubz]
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We should start with an article quantifying the savings and work backwards from there with the assumptions, most articles make the assumption that programmable thermostats aren't set to lower the temp automatically M-F when everyone is away...so of course it will skew the results.
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#9225871 - 01/06/18 12:51 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Risky Business]
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My house is a 17 degrees when I am not at home. 20 - 21 when I am. Smart thermostat won't change that much. When we get home, it goes to 20 pretty quickly. /small house problems.
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#9225935 - 01/06/18 04:19 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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Wife can change the temps from an app on her phone. Mission accomplished. And it does look cool too.
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#9226165 - 01/06/18 10:50 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: The Postman]
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got the email and did the process. waiting for call.
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#9226296 - 01/07/18 12:54 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Screamin DC2R]
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Same, waiting on the call to schedule install date.
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#9226455 - 01/07/18 06:21 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Big Tasty]
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The big benefit to me is wi-fi connectivity.

I can pre-set it to 17 when away from home, but if I know someone will be home early, or home during the whole day, I can override it from my phone.

The convenience/comfort is worth it to me more than whatever savings... since I have an "eco" schedule already pre-set with a programmable I'm sure the savings won't be much.

All bout dat pre-heat life

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#9226560 - 01/07/18 09:40 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: spd-dmn]
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I had my Nest installed last week. I didn't do it for any savings as I acknowledge there wont' be any considering I don't use a schedule. We just leave it at a constant temperature. Maybe that will change. Its a tech gadget/novelty that I would not pay for so I figured I'd take advantage of the promo.

To those who set their homes to 17* when they're away, that seems awfully cold to me. In fact one day I had accidentally turned off the furnace (bumped the switch) and the temp went down to 17.5* and the house was FREEZING. I figure the energy required to bring it up to at least 21* would counter any savings.

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#9226568 - 01/07/18 10:15 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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https://www.directenergy.com/learning-ce...settings-winter


 Quote:
We do have general recommendations for winter thermostat settings:
If someone is at home in the daytime, 72° F (22° C) is a good start, but aim for 68° F (20° C).
If everyone is away from home in the daytime, or you're asleep at night, we feel 66° F (19° C) to 62° F (17° C) is best.


My 5 yr old townhouse is 1800 sq ft and the temperature comes up pretty quick. For the baller Csi guys with bigger houses, I can see how dropping to 17 would take a while / use a lot of energy to bring temperature back up.

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#9226615 - 01/08/18 04:41 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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I got the email, have to fill it out still. Hoping to grab the ecobee & then give my current thermostat to my mom.
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#9226737 - 01/08/18 10:10 AM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Wildout]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildout
I got the email, have to fill it out still. Hoping to grab the ecobee & then give my current thermostat to my mom.

If that's your plan, switch out your mom's thermostat with yours before they arrive for the installation. You have to relinquish your thermostat to them when they install the new one as part of the program. This is their way of preventing people from reselling the new thermostats.

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#9226975 - 01/08/18 01:24 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
I got the email, have to fill it out still. Hoping to grab the ecobee & then give my current thermostat to my mom.

If that's your plan, switch out your mom's thermostat with yours before they arrive for the installation. You have to relinquish your thermostat to them when they install the new one as part of the program. This is their way of preventing people from reselling the new thermostats.


Shit, thanks for sharing that info.
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#9227920 - 01/09/18 03:29 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
I got the email, have to fill it out still. Hoping to grab the ecobee & then give my current thermostat to my mom.

If that's your plan, switch out your mom's thermostat with yours before they arrive for the installation. You have to relinquish your thermostat to them when they install the new one as part of the program. This is their way of preventing people from reselling the new thermostats.


Thanks for the confirmation. I'll grab the one the builder installed from the basement when they come

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#9228033 - 01/09/18 06:45 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Wildout]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildout
 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
I got the email, have to fill it out still. Hoping to grab the ecobee & then give my current thermostat to my mom.

If that's your plan, switch out your mom's thermostat with yours before they arrive for the installation. You have to relinquish your thermostat to them when they install the new one as part of the program. This is their way of preventing people from reselling the new thermostats.


Thanks for the confirmation. I'll grab the one the builder installed from the basement when they come

Make sure you install the builder's thermostat before they arrive. You can't just hand them it in place of the one on your wall.

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#9229594 - 01/11/18 04:36 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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Just got mine installed. I called their 1-888 number yesterday cause it's been awhile since i got their email with no further action (and i was bored at work). They were quite nice on the phone and booked an appointment for me today between 4-8, guys came at 4 and set everything up. They asked a few questions about other things I would update in the future and also age of appliances.

All done in about 30 mins.
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#9248092 - 02/05/18 06:24 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: Big Tasty]
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Got a message to call to make an appointment. On their website it says that they will need access to certain areas of the home and that it will take 2hrs. Did any of the installers go around your homes checking things?
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#9248196 - 02/05/18 09:12 PM Re: free smart thermostat? [Re: civic13]
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Nope. Thermostat to the furnace and back a few times.
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