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#9034802 - 05/20/17 05:32 AM Thinking about doing an MBA....
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Anybody here have one or know someone with one? I've just been looking through some of the entrance requirements and most require two letters of recommendation. One from current employer and a second from a post secondary professor. I think I'll have trouble with number two. I haven't really had much interaction with professors since finishing university.

So Why do I want to do this? Well, I like education, I'm late 30s, no kids, not married. It's kind of like "If not now....when" kind of thing.

This wouldn't be till 2018 tho as I'm still working on finishing CPA.

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#9034813 - 05/20/17 06:34 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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What's your end goal here?

What school?

Answer will vary quite a bit based on those two.




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#9034907 - 05/20/17 11:06 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Risky Business]
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I honestly see no point in an MBA that is not from a US Ivy League school. You will probably come out of a Rotman or Shulich program with a Sr. manager level job that pays $70-100k. Seems like a shitty investment to me considering the cost nowadays. Given your age, your experience should be your differentiator.
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#9034921 - 05/20/17 11:57 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: SW20_MR2]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
What's your end goal here?

What school?

Answer will vary quite a bit based on those two.





End goal would be the big thing for me. If there is a job that I want to get to that will require an MBA, then it is worth looking into. Otherwise, its a waste of time and money. Furthermore, people may feel you are over qualified and may feel bored at a job if you have all these academic achievements.

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#9034962 - 05/20/17 01:44 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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MBA imo is a HUGE waste and ultimately no ROI especially if you have your CPA.

CPA opens all doors, it comes down to the individual. MBA won't do much for someone with an accounting designation.

Only thing a good Canadian MBA (Ivey/rotman/schulich) will do for you is provide you access to people/networks/industries you would otherwise have a hard(er) time getting into if you realy want to get into PE/VC/IB. That's it.

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#9035078 - 05/20/17 06:30 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Risky Business]
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Honestly, I don't really have an end goal per say. It's more of a personal goal at this point than anything else. Like I said, I enjoy education and I'm not married, no kids, so at the current moment it's something that I'm interested in. Never really thought of the possibility of being considered over qualified tho.
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#9035102 - 05/20/17 07:10 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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You sound like my SIL. She did her masters just because. If that's what you enjoy gonfor it n
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#9035106 - 05/20/17 07:19 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Hatorade]
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Unless company paying/wants you to do it. Forget it.
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#9035109 - 05/20/17 07:24 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Polkaroo]
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Cost vs financial ROI usually doesn't make sense from what I've seen (given experience, accomplishments and character goes further) however why not if you want to.

Usually if you get to a certain level and a company wants you to have it they will send you for an executive version.
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#9035114 - 05/20/17 07:33 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: JEFFOS]
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My wife just finished her Masters. Some nursing management deal. But, now she can teach at college level and maybe some universities, so in her case it was for a reason.
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#9035159 - 05/20/17 09:18 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: The Postman]
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Teaching/being a prof of some kind would be also something I'd like to do as well. Mind you, pretty sure to be a legit prof you need to have a PhD. and I'm not sure if I'm PhD material.
Seems like so far the general consensus is nay to MBA.

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#9035169 - 05/20/17 09:39 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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MBA does make sense in some instances, the reason it doesn't in your case is because you will have a CPA.

CPA > MBA

You want to be CFO, CPA
You want to be a Controller, CPA
You want VP Finance, CPA

See the trend? Jeff nailed it earlier, experience/accomplishments/character go far beyond what any MBA can offer to a CPA.

If you weren't getting your CPA then obviously the above doesn't stand, but for someone with an accounting designation you stand to gain zero (redundant learning, concepts already covered by CPA) from an MBA when you consider the cost and time commitment.

I still think there is value in an MBA for people with technical/non finance backgrounds. An engineer with an MBA is still a great combo imo.

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#9035226 - 05/20/17 10:29 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Risky Business]
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use that MBA money and take yourself on a wicked vacation. you'll probably come back with a wife, and maybe a kid . Then you don't have to think about having too much time on your hands.
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#9035242 - 05/20/17 11:02 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: 4Three]
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^ solid advice
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#9035469 - 05/21/17 03:43 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
but for someone with an accounting designation you stand to gain zero (redundant learning, concepts already covered by CPA) from an MBA
are you trolling or do you always make up total bullshit ?
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#9035502 - 05/21/17 05:22 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Polkaroo]
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Can't wait to hear this one.



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#9035694 - 05/21/17 11:07 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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if the goal is the pursuit of a higher education, go for an MA in Economics and then a phd.
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#9035707 - 05/21/17 11:44 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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Soooooo OP, just out of curiosity, how are you financing the MBA?
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#9035950 - 05/22/17 10:06 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Anonymous]
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How much is MBA from shulic
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#9036489 - 05/22/17 04:00 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Denis Si]
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I'm happy you're asking around and doing research because at this point in life if it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense.
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#9036512 - 05/22/17 04:13 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: 87ZCSi]
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i know of one person who went to schulich and said the networking and people he met was more valuable than the designation itself

he's in software and now runs his own software business, which i think he is doing ok. definitely happy.
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#9036856 - 05/22/17 09:59 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Denis Si]
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 Originally Posted By: Denis Si
How much is MBA from shulic


There's this really cool site call Google - you can type in questions and it tells you stuff! \:D

http://schulich.yorku.ca/admissions/tuition-fees-costs/

(will leave the Int'l student column out)


Cost Per Term: 2017-2018*
(Fall 2017, Winter 2018, Summer 2018)
Including supplementary fees $19,000 (Full-Time)
$7,650 (Part-Time)

Cost Per Term: 2018-2019*
(Fall 2018, Winter 2019, Summer 2019)
Including supplementary fees
$19,930 (Full-Time)
$8,020 (Part-Time)

Estimated Total Tuition Fee** $77,900 (Full-Time)
$81,000 (Part-Time)***

http://www.rotman.utoronto.ca/Degrees/Ma...FeesandExpenses

Rotman (for comparison)
Annual Tuition Fees: Full-Time Class of 2018


Applicable to students entering the Full-Time MBA program in 2016.

Canadian Citizens & Permanent Residents International Students

1st Year Tuition $48,480 CAD ($37,330 USD)

2nd Year Tuition $49,929 CAD ($38,060 USD)

Total Tuition Fee $98,409 CAD ($75,390 USD)

If I had that much money in hand, I'd invest it and hopefully the returns will mean it will build up towards my retirement fund. No way I'm putting myself into debt at this point in life (about to hit 40 soon) ...

If academia is your passion, there are probably other more economical ways to go about it.


Edited by hyper-s2k (05/23/17 05:00 PM)
Edit Reason: as school taught me always cite references - put in UofT link
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#9036901 - 05/22/17 10:38 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: Denis Si
How much is MBA from shulic

If academia is your passion, there are probably other more economical ways to go about it.


The library is FREE. \:D

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#9036926 - 05/22/17 11:35 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Anonymous]
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#9037111 - 05/23/17 09:03 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Hatorade]
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80k? Jesus !!!!
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#9037198 - 05/23/17 10:22 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Denis Si]
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I'll just say that I know someone that did their MBA sponsored by their company and had a contract where he had to stay with them for 5 years or he owed them the $80k. After completing the MBA he decided he didn't like the company anymore and left L O L. I'm sure he's still paying off that $80k today and the MBA has not enhanced his career.
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#9037337 - 05/23/17 11:53 AM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Hatorade]
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I'd follow risky's advice. He knows a lot more about the whole CPA vs MBA than anyone else here.
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#9037369 - 05/23/17 12:08 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Just A Troll]
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I'd follow risky's advice. He knows a lot more about the whole CPA vs MBA than anyone else here.


Were you swinging off his left nut as you typed this?
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#9037487 - 05/23/17 01:17 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Hatorade]
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Ya, $80k wow.....I didn't really get that deep into cost, but thats WAY more than I expected it to be. I figured I could do $35-$40k without "financing" it. I wonder if a masters program qualifies for OSAP lol. not that it would make a difference. $80k is $80k....even if I got $20k in grants from OSAP, that would still put me at $60k which is 50% over my budget.

I don't want an MBA that badly.

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#9037568 - 05/23/17 01:56 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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Fuck!? Ive never actually asked the wife how much hers was lol.
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#9037648 - 05/23/17 02:42 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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wants to do mba. doesnt know cost


There is no redundant learning in an mba. cpa is completely unrelated. Anecdotally you can find pros and cons for the mba. For some it worked. others not so much.
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#9037787 - 05/23/17 05:04 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Raocorp]
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Ya, $80k wow.....I didn't really get that deep into cost, but thats WAY more than I expected it to be. I figured I could do $35-$40k without "financing" it. I wonder if a masters program qualifies for OSAP lol. not that it would make a difference. $80k is $80k....even if I got $20k in grants from OSAP, that would still put me at $60k which is 50% over my budget.

I don't want an MBA that badly.


not to mention that doesn't include incidentals... so chalk another what $7k-$10k?
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#9037790 - 05/23/17 05:09 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Just A Troll]
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I'd follow risky's advice. He knows a lot more about the whole CPA vs MBA than anyone else here.


The funny thing is there is an Ontario csier that has a CPA AND and MBA, but he hasn't posted. He'd be best to judge this, but probably won't after reading this cluster fuck. He is also doing very well for himself, i'd guess if you asked him why he will attribute mostly to the CPA when it comes to education.

Wanting to do MBA without knowing the cost, jfc

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#9037792 - 05/23/17 05:11 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Polkaroo]
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There is no redundant learning in an mba. cpa is completely unrelated.



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#9037793 - 05/23/17 05:11 PM Re: Thinking about doing an MBA.... [Re: Risky Business]
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