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#8866940 - 11/30/16 11:55 AM Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wait-health-surgery-auditor-general-ontario-1.3874442

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In life-threatening cases, patients are supposed to be in the operating room within two hours. Instead, the audit found that about one quarter of patients in critical condition wait an average of four hours for surgery, according to the three hospitals surveyed.


Really? That's F'ed up!
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#8866941 - 11/30/16 11:56 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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I was too busy reading this

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...ual-report.html

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#8867251 - 11/30/16 02:57 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wait-health-surgery-auditor-general-ontario-1.3874442

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In life-threatening cases, patients are supposed to be in the operating room within two hours. Instead, the audit found that about one quarter of patients in critical condition wait an average of four hours for surgery, according to the three hospitals surveyed.


Really? That's F'ed up!


1) thank the people who come to the ER for things that can be handled by their family dr or a walk in clinic....or a band aid.

2) do you honestly think that we have OR rooms and surgeons on standby all hours of the day and night with the ER volumes in toronto?


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#8867855 - 12/01/16 09:30 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Lame excuses. Still not acceptable that someone with LIFE THREATENING injuries has to wait 4 hours!!!

I went to Trillium last year for my G/F's pneumonia because the family doctor was too busy to see her. At one point I walked around and noticed that for a good 40 minutes, none of the hospital staff was doing anything. There was no work being done at all! The nurses were chatting at the nursing station because there was nothing to be done. No Doctor was anywhere to be seen. Turns out he was having lunch.

We took 3 hours for nothing more than a prescription for antibiotics!

I'm not pointing the finger at staff. Our healthcare system is just badly managed! The system is broken!

That's pretty much what the AG has concluded: Most of our healthcare problems come from bad management.
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#8867879 - 12/01/16 09:56 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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Someone else who shares my view?
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#8868401 - 12/01/16 04:05 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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Lame excuses. Still not acceptable that someone with LIFE THREATENING injuries has to wait 4 hours!!!

I went to Trillium last year for my G/F's pneumonia because the family doctor was too busy to see her. At one point I walked around and noticed that for a good 40 minutes, none of the hospital staff was doing anything. There was no work being done at all! The nurses were chatting at the nursing station because there was nothing to be done. No Doctor was anywhere to be seen. Turns out he was having lunch.

We took 3 hours for nothing more than a prescription for antibiotics!

I'm not pointing the finger at staff. Our healthcare system is just badly managed! The system is broken!

That's pretty much what the AG has concluded: Most of our healthcare problems come from bad management.


lol you straight up have no idea what you're talking about.

someone with life threatening injuries will be seen and sent to a OR stat, not 4 hours later, they would be dead. there's just so much wrong with what you said that i'm not going to even go into it, but you're 100% wrong.

you and your gf w/ pneumonia are part of the problem. if her family dr was too busy to see her either get a new family dr, or i'm guessing you live in some rural area where walk in clinics are non existent? pretty sure that a walk in clinic dr can read a chest xray and then diagnose. you took 3 hours because you were there for a non-urgent reason. i bet you guys didn't ask for a LIST of family doctors accepting patients during your 3hr ER wait.

the system is not broken, the system works but like any system there are flaws. nobody as 100% perfect health care system.





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#8868936 - 12/02/16 08:43 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

You just don't notice it because you're part of it.

As for my G/F being "part of the problem"... WTF else was I supposed to do? You can't get antibiotics without a prescription! G/F was running a 103 fever. Was I supposed to wait 2 days to see my family doctor? Even her receptionist said: GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

Just so we're clear here:

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

What would you propose we do next time?
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#8868942 - 12/02/16 08:48 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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I said that back in 2006 when I had to take my baby who was less than 1 year old with a fever that wouldn't break, but hey, welcome to the get shitty service despite paying a shit load in taxes club.

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#8868943 - 12/02/16 08:48 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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nobody as 100% perfect health care system.


Perhaps but ours feels like a 3rd world system these days. You get much more timely service in Chinese big cities. Bro in law, who lives in Guangzhou, was incensed at our wait times!
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#8868980 - 12/02/16 09:34 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

You just don't notice it because you're part of it.

As for my G/F being "part of the problem"... WTF else was I supposed to do? You can't get antibiotics without a prescription! G/F was running a 103 fever. Was I supposed to wait 2 days to see my family doctor? Even her receptionist said: GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

Just so we're clear here:

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

What would you propose we do next time?


You are the problem.

It's almost good they made you wait, next time go to a walk in clinic.

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#8869000 - 12/02/16 09:56 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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your brother in law is probably also incensed that you can walk into any given restaurant and order food and not expect to be made with toxic ingredients. what's your point?

what did you expect at the ER when you guys went in for (suspected) pneumonia...you're in the same place for people who were shot in the face 9 times, or in a horrible 12 car accident, and someone who sprained an ankle on the sidewalk. they kinda have to prioritize you to the bottom of the list...i'm sure it sucked and you were uncomfortable..but what did you expect the doctors to do at the ER for pneumonia? an emergency lung transplant with a clear healthy lung? the wait time would've been shorter if everyone with a boo boo would just go to a urgent care clinic instead of the ER for stupid shit. leave the ER for EMERGENCIES only, emergencies like person not breathing, limps dangling etc...

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#8869003 - 12/02/16 09:56 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business

You are the problem.

It's almost good they made you wait, next time go to a walk in clinic.




Waits to see you change your tune after you have a kid

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#8869005 - 12/02/16 09:57 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

You just don't notice it because you're part of it.

As for my G/F being "part of the problem"... WTF else was I supposed to do? You can't get antibiotics without a prescription! G/F was running a 103 fever. Was I supposed to wait 2 days to see my family doctor? Even her receptionist said: GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

Just so we're clear here:

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

What would you propose we do next time?



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#8869014 - 12/02/16 10:08 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
next time go to a walk in clinic.


That's what I'm doing now. 2nd tier healthcare for us from now on.

Fuck the public system! It sucks!
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#8869019 - 12/02/16 10:14 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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#8869099 - 12/02/16 11:09 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business

You are the problem.

It's almost good they made you wait, next time go to a walk in clinic.




Waits to see you change your tune after you have a kid


I am gonna do the on call doc, not clog up ER

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#8869275 - 12/02/16 01:19 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...or-billing.html

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- A respirologist who worked for 361 days billed the province $1.3 million, close to five times more than the upper expected limit. The respirologist made claims for close to 12,400 services, about four times the upper expected range for the same billing category.

- A cardiologist who worked 354 days and billed the province $1.8 million, three times more than the upper expected limit for physicians in the same billing category. This cardiologist provided more than 13,200 services, 2.4 times the upper range of expected services for physicians billing in the same category.

- A diagnostic radiologist worked 313 days and billed the province $1.7 million, which is 2.8 times the upper expected limit for physicians in the same category. This specialist provided more than 57,400 services that year, 5.6 times the upper range of expected services for physicians in the same billing category.


Yeah, our healthcare system isn't broken.
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#8869293 - 12/02/16 01:29 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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so you expect to be seen within minutes of arriving at an ER but god forbid the people providing the service are billing for it, you're crying bloody murder.

what's broken? the system or your logic?

based on what you posted, i say we got a pretty good deal. the first guy did 4x the work and billed 5x, the second did 2.4x and billed 3x, the last guy did 5.6x and only billed 2.8x.

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#8869341 - 12/02/16 01:52 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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#8869475 - 12/02/16 04:13 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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so you expect to be seen within minutes of arriving at an ER but god forbid the people providing the service are billing for it, you're crying bloody murder.

what's broken? the system or your logic?

based on what you posted, i say we got a pretty good deal. the first guy did 4x the work and billed 5x, the second did 2.4x and billed 3x, the last guy did 5.6x and only billed 2.8x.


reading skills & logic > You

361 days! How does one work 361 days/year? You really think any Doctor out there really works 361 days? That's only 4 days to go golfing!

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#8869481 - 12/02/16 04:19 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

You just don't notice it because you're part of it.

As for my G/F being "part of the problem"... WTF else was I supposed to do? You can't get antibiotics without a prescription! G/F was running a 103 fever. Was I supposed to wait 2 days to see my family doctor? Even her receptionist said: GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

Just so we're clear here:

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

What would you propose we do next time?


NO. the system is NOT broken. YOU are broken. how about next time you don't be a retard and use some common sense and go to a walk in clinic. oh sorry but the receptionist..wait let me say that again...the RECEPTIONIST told you go to the ER. oh but your gf had a 103 fever huh, she must have some kind of super fever if tylenol and/or advil didn't help at 99, 100, 101. is this her first time getting a fever? perhaps second? or probably close to the 20th+ time? hrmmmmmm......

how do you know that the doctor wasn't in the resuscitation room working on someone dying? how do you know if the doctor wasn't seeing someone with chest pain? or with an acute allergic reaction? take a second and think, how would YOU feel if you were being seen and someone came into the ER with their foot asleep and wanted the DR to stop looking at you, and tend to that person's mosquito bite? puts things in perspective doesn't it?

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles
nobody as 100% perfect health care system.


Perhaps but ours feels like a 3rd world system these days. You get much more timely service in Chinese big cities. Bro in law, who lives in Guangzhou, was incensed at our wait times!


do you have any idea what a hospital in a third world county is like? i have had first hand experience. I am part of an organization called Guyana for the Children, we have decreased the infant mortality rate in Guyana by upward of 40% by sending down equipment, training nurses on how to use them, and instilling better practices. so with that in mind, care to tell me how our health care system is in any way on the same level as a third world country? i'll wait.
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#8869484 - 12/02/16 04:33 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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so you expect to be seen within minutes of arriving at an ER but god forbid the people providing the service are billing for it, you're crying bloody murder.

what's broken? the system or your logic?

based on what you posted, i say we got a pretty good deal. the first guy did 4x the work and billed 5x, the second did 2.4x and billed 3x, the last guy did 5.6x and only billed 2.8x.


reading skills & logic > You

361 days! How does one work 361 days/year? You really think any Doctor out there really works 361 days? That's only 4 days to go golfing!



easy, take 4 days off instead of taking however many days we take off and then bitch and complain when we don't make enough money...

i don't know how doctors do their billing, but one can only assume they don't work the standard 8 hrs and any additional is treated as 1.5 or 2x as anyone would, regardless of fry guy at McDonalds or Doctor at hospital

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#8869511 - 12/02/16 04:59 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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so you expect to be seen within minutes of arriving at an ER but god forbid the people providing the service are billing for it, you're crying bloody murder.

what's broken? the system or your logic?

based on what you posted, i say we got a pretty good deal. the first guy did 4x the work and billed 5x, the second did 2.4x and billed 3x, the last guy did 5.6x and only billed 2.8x.


reading skills & logic > You

361 days! How does one work 361 days/year? You really think any Doctor out there really works 361 days? That's only 4 days to go golfing!



You are such an entitled slut lol

OMG DOC STOP THIS BRAIN ANEURYSM OPERATION COME LOOK AT MY GF, SHE HAS A FEVER PLEASE HELP HER *proceeds to unwrap bubble wrap while flailing helplessly in the middle of ER*

DOC PLEASE SAVE HER

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#8869513 - 12/02/16 05:00 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Risky Business]
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lmfaooooo oh noes i have to wait to be seen about my fever.....DURING FLU SEASON
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#8871860 - 12/06/16 08:09 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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More like: Fucking broken system sent me to E.R. just to get a stupid prescription because the Family Doctor couldn't be bothered to write the prescription herself since she was too busy.

#BROKENHEALTHSYSTEM

PS: Had family doctor said to go to walk-in clinic, I would've went. But you know... #BROKENHEALTHSYSTEM.
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#8871981 - 12/06/16 09:48 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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Not broken brah. For the last few trips i've done for myself and my kid, it's been fine every time.

This is from a mild as doc / walk in visit right up to booking/doing an MRI at Markham-Stouffville.
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#8871987 - 12/06/16 09:58 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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More like: Fucking broken system sent me to E.R. just to get a stupid prescription because the Family Doctor couldn't be bothered to write the prescription herself since she was too busy.

#BROKENHEALTHSYSTEM

PS: Had family doctor said to go to walk-in clinic, I would've went. But you know... #BROKENHEALTHSYSTEM.


good critical thinking tho. Good thing the receptionist/nurse didn't have a sense of humour and sent you walking off Niagara Falls!

next election, i'll do my best to keep the liberal party in power perhaps they can make right on what you had to endure for this ordeal.

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#8872439 - 12/06/16 02:38 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

You just don't notice it because you're part of it.

As for my G/F being "part of the problem"... WTF else was I supposed to do? You can't get antibiotics without a prescription! G/F was running a 103 fever. Was I supposed to wait 2 days to see my family doctor? Even her receptionist said: GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

Just so we're clear here:

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!!!

What would you propose we do next time?


NO. the system is NOT broken. YOU are broken. how about next time you don't be a retard and use some common sense and go to a walk in clinic. oh sorry but the receptionist..wait let me say that again...the RECEPTIONIST told you go to the ER. oh but your gf had a 103 fever huh, she must have some kind of super fever if tylenol and/or advil didn't help at 99, 100, 101. is this her first time getting a fever? perhaps second? or probably close to the 20th+ time? hrmmmmmm......

how do you know that the doctor wasn't in the resuscitation room working on someone dying? how do you know if the doctor wasn't seeing someone with chest pain? or with an acute allergic reaction? take a second and think, how would YOU feel if you were being seen and someone came into the ER with their foot asleep and wanted the DR to stop looking at you, and tend to that person's mosquito bite? puts things in perspective doesn't it?

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles
nobody as 100% perfect health care system.


Perhaps but ours feels like a 3rd world system these days. You get much more timely service in Chinese big cities. Bro in law, who lives in Guangzhou, was incensed at our wait times!


do you have any idea what a hospital in a third world county is like? i have had first hand experience. I am part of an organization called Guyana for the Children, we have decreased the infant mortality rate in Guyana by upward of 40% by sending down equipment, training nurses on how to use them, and instilling better practices. so with that in mind, care to tell me how our health care system is in any way on the same level as a third world country? i'll wait.


speaking of 3rd world country hospitals

my mom was admitted in the Philippines and they even charge her PER gauze after a blood test

quick admission? yes - if you can pay
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#8872481 - 12/06/16 03:06 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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next election, i'll do my best to keep the liberal party in power perhaps they can make right on what you had to endure for this ordeal.



whoa whoa whoa lets not go crazy here. c2k has already had enough.
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#8872531 - 12/06/16 03:44 PM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: Just A Troll]
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PS: Had family doctor said to go to walk-in clinic, I would've went. But you know... #BROKENHEALTHSYSTEM.


edit: maybe i'm being harsh. dude, it's not broken, just go to a walk in clinic next time.


Edited by titty sprinkles (12/06/16 03:53 PM)
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#8873037 - 12/07/16 09:06 AM Re: Why isn't Wayne all over this? re: Ontario healthcare [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Ontario's health insurance program wouldn't pay for an operation to save the sight of a teenage boy, even though the procedure is covered in other provinces.


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Flora Wellsman can't understand the government's logic. "It's $10,000 that would save a person's sight. If that person goes blind, they will have to go onto disability. And it would cost the government more to pay for that individual's disability than to just pay for the operation."


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