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#884317 - 01/07/07 03:26 PM NOHC's dream W-body?
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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/380486/2

I've never heard of the motor before though.

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#884392 - 01/07/07 04:00 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Quad4_driver]
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It looks like the engine is a 5 Liter version of the 3800 Series V6. The company isn't all that far from me that produces it: http://www.angelfire.com/stars/mycaddy/asg.htm
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#884429 - 01/07/07 04:11 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Morbo]
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It's based on the old 4.9L Cadillac V8, not the 3800
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#884435 - 01/07/07 04:13 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Morbo]
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No, The motor's based on the old Cadillac 4.1/4.9 pushrod TBI motors. Aluminum blocks, iron heads and an absolute pig when it comes to performance in stock form. Reliability is about on par with your average GM boat anchor of it's day.

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The original 1988 Pace Car was driven by Chuck Yeager at the 72nd Indianapolis 500 on May 29, 1988. The car was not a true convertible, as it didn't actually have a top and had no actual side windows. It had been modified at General Motors request by a now defunct company called Cars and Concepts in order to comply with Indy rules that require the Pace Car have no top. The doors were opened using push-down door handles located on the top of the door sill, similar to the 1970's 3rd generation Corvette. There likely was a hard top that could be used in case of foul weather. Goodyear ZR225/50ZR16 rubber adorned special 16"x 6.5" aluminum wheels which were not available on any 1988 production Cutlass Supreme. These wheels later became factory equipment on the 1989-1991 International Series.

The Pace Car also had a unique front air dam which housed integrated fog lamps. The engine was a 250HP turbocharged and inter-cooled 2.3L Quad4 which literally produced twice the horsepower of the 2.8L V6 used in production class Cutlass Supremes. The engine was built using mostly off-the-shelf parts, and was specially modified by the General Motors' Lansing Power train Division. Modifications consisted of a custom stainless steel exhaust manifold, intake plumbing, and special tuning. This engine was unique to the Pace Car, and the turbocharged version of this engine was never used in any other production W-body car.

The transmission was a beefed up TH440T4 and power was transmitted to the front wheels via strengthened drive axles. The Pace Car suspension was standard production FE3 and used stock struts. Stopping power was provided by the Delco/Moraine ABS.

The Pace Car was also the first W-body car to get a HUD (Heads Up Display) with the Hughes Electronics logo on it. The Delco/Hughes HUD unit was developed using heads-up display technology borrowed from Hughes fighter jets. It projects the digital speedometer onto the windshield in the driver's line of sight.

The interior was basically the same as a production International Series, with the exception of special black leather upholstery with red accents. The seatbacks also had a unique Pace Car embroidery. Other features included three-point competition seat belts for the driver and passenger, a Halon gas fire extinguisher system, a fuel cell, and a removable roll-over bar.

A total of 5 Pace Cars were built, some with minor differences such as amber fog lamps, reverse, and front cornering lamp lenses.

http://www.mypacecar.net/replicas.htm

Now..they only made 250 Replicas, 50 of them being convertibles. All the convertibles were recalled, with only a few of them still remaining in private hands.
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#884443 - 01/07/07 04:18 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: max
It's based on the old 4.9L Cadillac V8, not the 3800


Guess I should have read closer. I more or less skimmed. I see the section now:

"ASG 5.0 engines begin life as a new GM Goodwrench Cadillac OHV 4.9L V8. This engine was the mainstay for Cadillac from 1991-1994 when it was replaced by the 4.6L DOHC Northstar Engine. The 4.9L OHV V8 is rated at 200 HP at 4100 RPM, and 275 ft-lbs of Torque at 3000 RPM by Cadillac. Cadillac mated the 4.9L OHV V8 with their strongest front-wheel drive automatic transmission of the day -- the Cadillac 4T60-E."


Edited by Morbo (01/07/07 04:20 PM)
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#884445 - 01/07/07 04:18 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: NOHC]
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Dude, i've recently found out there has been some progress in 60degree V6 turbo set ups.

I've seen some 300plus whp 60's.


EDIT: the info on that 5.0L engine says they make 285 crank hp. not too shabby.


Edited by Quad4_driver (01/07/07 04:27 PM)

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#884456 - 01/07/07 04:24 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Quad4_driver]
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Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver
Dude, i've recently found out there has been some progress in 60degree V6 turbo set up.

I've seen some 300plus whp 60's.


There's a few guys on the W-body forums that have swapped in 5 speeds in their TGP/TGP powered cars as well as hopped them up considerably with bigger hairdryers, tinkering with the greasy mechanical bits inside the motor, 3100/3400 top end swaps, as well as a bit of tuning. 300 hp isn't that hard to get out of a 60deg motor and most of the parts are dirt cheap. Really, the only "expensive" part is a fairly rare now TGP crossover pipe or having one fabbed to mount a snail on it.
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#884464 - 01/07/07 04:30 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: NOHC]
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The most impressive one i've seen recently , was a 3400 zwaped into a second gen Z24 ,making 356whp 365tq @ 9 psi.
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#884472 - 01/07/07 04:34 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Quad4_driver]
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Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver
The most impressive one i've seen recently , was a 3400 zwaped into a second gen Z24 ,making 356whp 365tq @ 9 psi.


Yeah, The hot thing now is the 3100/3400 top end swap, the later model Gen 3 heads flow a LOT more air than the Gen 1 iron ones and the Gen 2 aluminum ones. I'd love to build a new 3900 with 3.4 DOHC heads and a turbo x-over for it, but that's a lot more than the wife's prepared to allow. Hell, even stock, the 3900 makes 240 hp at 5900 rpm and 245 lb-ft of torque at 2800 rpm. I'd love to see what that thing could do with some extra valves and a hairdryer.

Imagine the explosion as the slippery bits inside make their way out, forcefully.
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#884613 - 01/07/07 05:42 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: NOHC]
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Originally Posted By: NOHC
No, The motor's based on the old Cadillac 4.1/4.9 pushrod TBI motors. Aluminum blocks, iron heads and an absolute pig when it comes to performance in stock form. Reliability is about on par with your average GM boat anchor of it's day.

[edit] Semi-Treed

Now..you wanna see my dream W Body?








The original 1988 Pace Car was driven by Chuck Yeager at the 72nd Indianapolis 500 on May 29, 1988. The car was not a true convertible, as it didn't actually have a top and had no actual side windows. It had been modified at General Motors request by a now defunct company called Cars and Concepts in order to comply with Indy rules that require the Pace Car have no top. The doors were opened using push-down door handles located on the top of the door sill, similar to the 1970's 3rd generation Corvette. There likely was a hard top that could be used in case of foul weather. Goodyear ZR225/50ZR16 rubber adorned special 16"x 6.5" aluminum wheels which were not available on any 1988 production Cutlass Supreme. These wheels later became factory equipment on the 1989-1991 International Series.
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I actually saw & touched it...... jealous?









I dig the 80's heads-up unit on the dash.

I have to insert at least one real car from that collection.


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#885222 - 01/07/07 08:49 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: MikeY2kSS]
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#886023 - 01/07/07 11:56 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: DWalk]
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LOL at the fucking mod list. Everything after the first and second line is teh ghey.

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Engine

ASG 5.0L V8 engine swap with 4T60-E transmission
Heads are ported and polished
High performance pistons
Accel High performance fuel injectors
K&N cold air intake
White Wire Loom
GM Performance Strut Bar
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Exterior

17” Enkei RS5 silver racing rims with 235/50R17 Kumho ECSTA KH11
9006 HID Plasma Xenon light bulbs
JSP 58” Apache Wing
Clifford Remote Start and Alarm
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Magnaflow High flow Catalytic Converter
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Silblade White wiper blades
Streetglow Purple LED underbody kit
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Custom made body kit
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Acura Integra Tail Light conversion
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Stereo

Pioneer AVH-P6400CD In-Dash Motorized Monitor with CD Player
Infinity Kappa 693.5i 6"x9" 3-way Speakers
Infinity Kappa 462.5cfp 4"x6" 2-way Plate Speakers
Memphis 124d 12" HPO sub with Memphis ported box
Memphis 16-ST500D amp
Lightning Audio 1.0 Farad Capacitor
In-Dash DVD Player
Stinger Distribution Block

Interior

Custom Grey/Black Front Door Panels
Custom Grey/Black Rear Door Panels
Custom Black/Grey Shift Boot
Grey/Black E-speed racing seats
Grey/Black E-speed racing seats conversion in rear
Nokya Gunmetal Racing Pedals
Custom Trunk Enclosure with Black Carpet and 5th 17inch rim
Custom False floor with APC fire extinguisher
Custom Black Carpet
Custom Black Headliner
Custom Black covered Dash
Custom painted Black and Grey Dash Pieces
Black light Interior Neons
Black and grey flame Speedhut gauges
APC Black/Grey Street spec steering wheel
Street glow purple strobes

Soon to Come
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#886975 - 01/08/07 10:47 AM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Nealoc187]
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I'll bet Yeager spent the whole time driving that car wondering why he ever bothered with aircraft too.
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#8984529 - 03/26/17 08:41 PM Re: NOHC's dream W-body? [Re: Sukkoi18]
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