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#8672761 - 05/26/16 04:53 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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But I expect to get fitter.

So my expectations are those numbers get better.

I mean at the end of the day my training is still PE based, rather than watts, but just because you know you FTP doesn't mean you never move it. Just do a new test.

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#8672768 - 05/26/16 04:58 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: ]
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right. except a new FTP test is so hard tho lol. I havent done one in months although I sorta faked one yesterday. Looking at my data I can handle a solid 10-20 more watts easy right now /yiss
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#8672776 - 05/26/16 05:06 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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I get your argument that I'm not training smart. But I'm pretty sure my tolerable results demonstrate I can push myself. Like I've said, I don't need HR to tell me if I'm fitter, I can tell if an effort feels easier.
I tend to expect times to go down every year, and if anything get dissapointed if they don't as fast as I expect.


I personally think it'll help me not push so hard all the time(too much zone3) (or push/train smarter).

CN: it's probably worth it, but not as much

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#8672784 - 05/26/16 05:15 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: ]
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to clarify: zone 3 is a pretty moderate effort right?

Thats what I shoot for for 'base' aerobic training for 80-90% of all efforts. It's just hard enough to get nearly 100% aerobic benefit. Running it's around a 8:50--9:00 mile for me

/just checking

and on the other hand I have the shocking revelation that I actually cant really hit zone 5 [90% HRM] like ever, lol. On a 3x1 mile repeat day I'll touch it for literally only seconds of the end of the 2nd and 3rd interval lol wuss

I'm sure your data is different, but if you aren't monitoring you just dont know. Supposedly gains are fast n furious from zone 5 stuff.


*trigger warning
my personal zone3 starts at HR 131 and ends around 148
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#8672817 - 05/26/16 05:45 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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I figure zone 2 is any mutli-hour or slow commutes
Zone 3 is my 1 hour sweaty ass rides, most my commutes. Anything from 20-90 minutes where I'm gross afterwards, breathing is important, but not labored
Zone 4 is 30-60 minutes of racing

i thought zone 3 "comfortably hard" was the worst spot to spent 80% of your time. You're better at Zone 2(70%), with sessions of zone 4 (20%) and zone 5/6(<10%). Zone 2 you can mostly talk in, by zone 3 you'd rather not.

Don't know, I've done both finger and treadmill measures and found my heart rates in the 180+ range. I know neither are the most reliable, but in aggregate it seems I CAN hit those zones.

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#8672850 - 05/26/16 05:59 PM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: ]
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yea I think I've got mine a little skewed

using LTHR is better than % of HRM or HHR [heart rate reserve] this chart I keep posting is heart rate reserved base. in practice my LTHR [lactate threshold] I believe is around 152-153 or so, implying my zone 3 actually starts at 136

so that 'not quite hard enough' zone is quite possibly the 125-135 range I always end up in lol cry hahaha

but there's no data behind my LTHR guess of 152-153, just race results, I like the idea of hitting these zones based on heart rate reserve as that at least is fact based. My personal lactate threshold testing I think leaves a lot to be desired lol

also kudos for hitting 180. My wife can hit 200 on the treadmill I'm like 'jesus H. christ!' when I see that stuff. Please dont stroke out heh

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#8673162 - 05/27/16 07:31 AM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
I figure zone 2 is any mutli-hour or slow commutes
Zone 3 is my 1 hour sweaty ass rides, most my commutes. Anything from 20-90 minutes where I'm gross afterwards, breathing is important, but not labored
Zone 4 is 30-60 minutes of racing

i thought zone 3 "comfortably hard" was the worst spot to spent 80% of your time. You're better at Zone 2(70%), with sessions of zone 4 (20%) and zone 5/6(<10%). Zone 2 you can mostly talk in, by zone 3 you'd rather not.

Don't know, I've done both finger and treadmill measures and found my heart rates in the 180+ range. I know neither are the most reliable, but in aggregate it seems I CAN hit those zones.


180 for how long?

Getting/holding 180 is easier running than cycling, imo.

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#8673450 - 05/27/16 10:50 AM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: Risky Business]
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Without a HRM, I'm guessing at time. But it's on 2 minute running intervals.

Admittedly I don't measure much on bike. So your point might be spot on. But if anything I've been more winded at the end of MY CX races than any run.

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#8674939 - 05/29/16 12:27 AM Re: What next? v cycling [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
But if anything I've been more winded at the end of MY CX races than any run.


There's a permanent course near me that I'll do laps of for practice/conditioning (there are "group rides" of it in late summer) that has a long run-up that is the most difficult thing I'll do on or off of a bike. That shit is absolute threshold and anaerobic hell. And somehow it's fun.
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