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#8539954 - 02/02/16 12:03 AM 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!!
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DATE: January 30, 2016
TO: All Honda Parts & Service Managers, Advisors and Personnel
FROM: Campaign Administration
RE: Stop Sale/Safety Recall: 2016 Civic Piston Pin Snap Ring

On Friday, January 29, 2016, American Honda notified NHTSA of a stop sale and safety recall for approximately 34,000 2016 Civic vehicles due to potentially missing or misset piston pin snap rings that may cause engine stall or failure. Any new or used units in dealer stock must be inspected, and if necessary, repaired per service bulletin 16-017, Safety Recall: Piston Pin Snap Ring once the parts, tools, and complete repair information are available. Refer to your eResponsibility report or VIN inquiry to determine which units in your inventory are affected by this safety recall.

Note: Affected vehicles should not be sold until the repair has been completed. Should an unrepaired vehicle result in any claim because of the required recall repair, the dealership will be solely responsible to the claimant, and will be required to defend and indemnify American Honda for any resulting claims.

All affected units will require use of a borescope to inspect the four cylinders to confirm correct piston pin snap ring placement. Vehicles exhibiting any concerns with piston pin snap ring placement may require replacement of damaged pistons, piston pins or rings, or other related engine components.

Replacement parts are not available at this time. American Honda is working to procure a sufficient number of borescopes and replacement parts to satisfy this recall. As such, the version of bulletin 16-017 posted on the Service Information System does not currently contain any tool, parts, warranty, inspection, or repair information. Once tools and parts are made available, American Honda will revise service bulletin 16-017 to include all details related to this recall. American Honda will notify dealers of the bulletin revision and tool distribution details via iN message.

Customers affected by this safety recall may visit your dealership prior to tool, parts and/or repair procedure availability. Please be sure to inform these customers of the safety recall, being sure to let them know that tools and parts are not currently available, and that they will be notified once supply stabilizes. American Honda expects to conduct customer notification in mid-March 2016. By this time, all necessary tools, parts and details are expected to be available.


Come on, are you fucking kidding me? And they say german cars are bad...
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#8539981 - 02/02/16 12:50 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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#8540037 - 02/02/16 07:30 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Blown engines unite!

Info from Civic nerds here: http://www.civicx.com/threads/2016-civic...some-vins.1669/

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The recall affects only the 2.0L engine, and is VIN specific.


Edited by furball (02/02/16 07:32 AM)

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#8540045 - 02/02/16 07:41 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: furball]
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ermehgerd!

the amount of cars potentially affected is stupid low.
they have to blanket a shitload of cars though which sucks.
ironic the 1.5T is the one that is fine lol.
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#8540047 - 02/02/16 07:42 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Lol at having to open up the engine in a brand new car. Hope the owners get extended warranties.

This in a civic? The bastion of reliability?

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#8540056 - 02/02/16 07:56 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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I kinda like the new Civic - it's got all the freaking gadgets out the wazoo ... albeit $27k for the top-o-the-line Touring Sedan ... (1.5L Turbo)
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#8540057 - 02/02/16 07:58 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: furball]
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Touring models have an amp issue that can be resolved via software update: http://www.10thcivicforum.com/forum/26-e...dio-issues.html
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#8540073 - 02/02/16 08:13 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: furball]
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At least Honda isn't trying to hide their problem. Unlike some german brand that cheats and some american brand that lies about ignition switches.
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#8540086 - 02/02/16 08:25 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Just A Troll]
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At least Honda isn't trying to hide their problem. Unlike some german brand that cheats and some american brand that lies about ignition switches.


and this recent gem...

http://blog.caranddriver.com/bmw-fined-40-million-for-mini-cooper-recalls/

just throwing it out there

but yeah every car co. has their issues.
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#8540115 - 02/02/16 08:45 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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And this Gem from 2014:

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Almost one month ago, we reported on a BMW investigation into a potentially defective bolt that lived in the company's VANOS variable valve timing system. At that point, the potential recall was seemingly limited to Chinese-market cars; the company was filing a recall application with Chinese officials.

Today, Bloomberg is reporting that the engine bolt issue has expanded into a recall for several world markets, involving some 489,000 vehicles. BMW was able to verify that report to Autoblog, while also providing a great deal more detail about the issue and vehicles affected.

The recall affects vehicles powered by N55 inline six-cylinder gasoline engines equipped with VANOS and Valvetronic technologies. 1 Series, 3 Series, 5 Series and 5 Series Gran Turismo, X3, X5, X6 and Z4 models from the 2010 to 2012 model years are included, as is the 2012 6 Series.

In total, 156,137 vehicles in the US are affected by the recall, which BMW says was filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration late on Wednesday.

In rare cases, the bolts holding the VANOS unit housing may become loose, or, in "extreme" cases, break. A broken bolt may trigger an engine warning light or send the engine into safe mode if the VANOS unit is compromised. Ignoring the issue could cause "no start conditions," stalling and further engine damage.

As you might suspect, BMW recommends that owners observing engine warning lights should arrange for service.

NHTSA has yet to issue its own recall notice, though presumably they are forthcoming, and BMW's own statement can be seen below.


Yes, even the mighty Germans can sell cars with engines that will fail. There's lots of oil pump, fuel leak and other "catastrophic" recalls on BWMs too.

Point is: kettle and pot are both black!
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#8540145 - 02/02/16 09:00 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Just A Troll]
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lollllllllll @ the bmw bolt.
Honda at least is more excusable, as it's a brand new motor and 1st year production on a new car.
The N55 doe! That thing is ancient!!!
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#8540222 - 02/02/16 09:30 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: 4age]
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Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.
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#8540300 - 02/02/16 10:25 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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but at least if something happens within your 4 year 80k warranty, its covered. Other manuf. will try to blame the end user as much as they can to get out of paying to out of their pocket to take care of a customer.

One of the guys here bought a brand new corolla, engine let go at 20k... they tried to blame it on him for over revving.. claiming 4000RPM is too high for the engine. But never gave concrete proof of what let go. The dude has since lawyered up and is fighting toyota canada for it to be fixed. Meanwhile, he's had to buy a cheap beater to get around.
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#8540302 - 02/02/16 10:28 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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even the e46 m3 has vanos bolt problems
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#8540311 - 02/02/16 10:31 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
but at least if something happens within your 4 year 80k warranty, its covered. Other manuf. will try to blame the end user as much as they can to get out of paying to out of their pocket to take care of a customer.

One of the guys here bought a brand new corolla, engine let go at 20k... they tried to blame it on him for over revving.. claiming 4000RPM is too high for the engine. But never gave concrete proof of what let go. The dude has since lawyered up and is fighting toyota canada for it to be fixed. Meanwhile, he's had to buy a cheap beater to get around.


yes but what's the difference between a corolla and m3 for the business? Margins!!!!!!!!!
BMW can afford to do that. Toyota can't, so they build reliable cars instead XD
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#8540345 - 02/02/16 10:47 AM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: 4age]
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I really wonder sometimes how much margin is in a BMW. They're covering massive work done on their cars, sometimes with cars that are just out of warranty. Re&Re cylinder heads... new timing chains, all new vanos actuators.. etc.

oh, and new thing with ignition coils.. if one fails, change them all.
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#8540563 - 02/02/16 12:15 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


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No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.
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#8540583 - 02/02/16 12:24 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


I only know of one relativity...

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#8540587 - 02/02/16 12:25 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


way to go einstein

lol blanket statement is blanket.

of note too which is interesting...hyundai's also seen quite a hit with recalls too lately. seems when cars were simpler for them (anyone really) there was less shit to go wrong. co's are pushing out cars/tech so fast so much shit to take care of after if it isn't right...ugh.
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#8540626 - 02/02/16 12:40 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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lol fucking autocorrect.

We're talking about a recall here for missing snap rings lmfao. Small number of civics affected or not it's still a big fuck up on hontards part.
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#8540638 - 02/02/16 12:46 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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lol fucking autocorrect.

We're talking about a recall here for missing snap rings lmfao. Small number of civics affected or not it's still a big fuck up on hontards part.






http://www.civicx.com/threads/2016-honda-civic-sets-new-january-sales-record.1705/ (up even more in Canada and already well ahead of #2 in the class...yup "shit" ).

the 'fuckup' is easily handled and you prob won't see many failures at all as it is (plus, Canada market divide any US figures by 10 pretty much) then the defect rate is a very small % of that, if any. it's also literally the first batch of cars off the line since it started production. i think any car made after sometime in Jan is fine. they have countermeasures before this stuff even hits the news usually.
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#8540850 - 02/02/16 02:29 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
but at least if something happens within your 4 year 80k warranty, its covered. Other manuf. will try to blame the end user as much as they can to get out of paying to out of their pocket to take care of a customer.

One of the guys here bought a brand new corolla, engine let go at 20k... they tried to blame it on him for over revving.. claiming 4000RPM is too high for the engine. But never gave concrete proof of what let go. The dude has since lawyered up and is fighting toyota canada for it to be fixed. Meanwhile, he's had to buy a cheap beater to get around.


lol damn. and yeah some of the shit ppl try to pull is unreal...i have stories from what i've read over teh years.
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#8540893 - 02/02/16 02:56 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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#8540927 - 02/02/16 03:18 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: iamfob]
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#8540941 - 02/02/16 03:25 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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Screamin goes home every day and cries for the glory days of th NSX and ITR


i do \:\(

good thing i still own a relic.
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#8540953 - 02/02/16 03:29 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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I like the new Civics. \:\(
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#8540983 - 02/02/16 03:45 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


so then why else buy a three series? for that whopping horsepower? or perhaps all those fancy features...oh wait that's in the civic.

in other words, you would pay more money for something that's completely shit and could break down anyday, because....bmw?


Edited by titty sprinkles (02/02/16 03:47 PM)
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#8541022 - 02/02/16 04:11 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: titty sprinkles]
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 Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


so then why else buy a three series? for that whopping horsepower? or perhaps all those fancy features...oh wait that's in the civic.

in other words, you would pay more money for something that's completely shit and could break down anyday, because....bmw?


That's like saying people buy Acura for the great looks

Screamin: Unless the recall info isn't accurate, did you miss that part where it says stop sale till all existing inventory is inspected. How is it only a certain batch of vins are affected if that's the case?
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#8541030 - 02/02/16 04:15 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: titty sprinkles]
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 Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


so then why else buy a three series? for that whopping horsepower? or perhaps all those fancy features...oh wait that's in the civic.

in other words, you would pay more money for something that's completely shit and could break down anyday, because....bmw?


A lot of people only care about the badge man.
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#8541033 - 02/02/16 04:20 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: JEFFOS]
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 Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
Okay, I buy a BMW expecting my rod bearings are going to need replacing, or I am going to need to go through 7 generations of both HPFPs and injectors. But Honda? That shit better make 500k km with just oil changes, or else whats the point.


+1

No one in thier mind buys a German turd expecting Japanese relativity. This is the point of this thread. Honda you just plain suck now.


so then why else buy a three series? for that whopping horsepower? or perhaps all those fancy features...oh wait that's in the civic.

in other words, you would pay more money for something that's completely shit and could break down anyday, because....bmw?


A lot of people in here care about the badge man


fixed for truth
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#8541046 - 02/02/16 04:29 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: titty sprinkles]
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I'd pick a BMW over a Civic only cause I prefer RWD cars.

and yes, some features are also available in both, but how old is the tech in the civic vs the bmw to keep the cost down?
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#8541058 - 02/02/16 04:37 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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Well this new civic is fugly as fuck from the side and rear. Like holy fuck my eyes.
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#8541082 - 02/02/16 04:53 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: Hatorade]
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Well this new civic is fugly as fuck from the side and rear. Like holy fuck my eyes.


while i fully agree, i will play this:





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#8541086 - 02/02/16 04:56 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: titty sprinkles]
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i like the looks of that better than any honda product in the last two generations.
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#8541100 - 02/02/16 05:07 PM Re: 2016 Civic is hot shit... NOT!!! [Re: phoenixrage]
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At least that's innovation. Wtf does Honda have to show? The pathetic new nsx after a fucking 7 yr delay lmao
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