#8222807 - 05/25/15 07:41 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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My university degree is not in the field I am working in but it was used as a stepping stone to post graduate designations; so yes, it did in fact open doors and was worth the investment imho.
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#8222845 - 05/25/15 09:02 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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Was your universitiy degree or college educatio worth the debt? Did it open doors for you and are you working in your filed and getting paid appropriately?
The way you are asking the question it puts the onus on education to do the "work" instead of individual effort. Whether or not education is "worth the debt" will be determined by the individual not vice versa.
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#8222918 - 05/25/15 10:03 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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No debt out of school (I paid rent, parents paid for tuition)
I wish I would have taken that co-op with OPG though!
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#8223483 - 05/25/15 11:19 PM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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Was your universitiy degree or college educatio worth the debt? Did it open doors for you and are you working in your filed and getting paid appropriately?
No debt. I lived at home; my parents helped me with my first year tuition. I paid for the next 3 years from my Summer job money (2 years at UofT; 1 year at the bank I'm currently back in. Also did part time in 4th year at UofT). Saved a shit ton by making my own Pacific Mall special of text books; then bulk sell to my friends / classmates so my expenses were virtually free. 
Opened doors? I'd consider that I squeezed on by (instead of having the perverbial door slam shut in my face). I graduated in '01 - the beginning of dot bomb / post y2k. so the stories of signing bonuses and crazy starting salaries were dwindling. Out of my friends; I was one of the first ones to land a job (2 months after graduation; some struggled with a year or so before finding work). Starting salary was not what I expected; but was able to put away enough to get started in life (continued to live at home until '03).
Definitely not working in the field that I studied in -- my rationale for my degree choice was if an employer has to flip through a pile of resumes; the # of B.A. Sc. / B. Eng. is fewer than say a B. Art / B. Math degree - would figure that'd get me higher in the pile.
In terms of pay - I'm definitely getting dogged; especially when catching up with classmates / coworkers that have moved on (to contracting). I'm not aggressive enough with my career [to me, moving up doesn't necessarily translate to more pay -- especially the "slight" increase may mean a lot more responsibility].
I'm pretty sure I've turned into a lifer about 5 years ago -- but I'm riding out the perk of coming and going pretty much whenever I want so I can maintain some work-life balance (and bail from the office at the drop of a hat if / when I have to deal with kid(s) on a sick day, etc.).
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#8223595 - 05/26/15 07:36 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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University was a waste of time, but it's one of those things that you must do/have if you are going to work in a white collar job. Check it off the list and move on. I wouldn't say that it opened any doors for me other than to pass the screening list.
Like many Asian kids, my parents paid for all of my school, and I lived at home for free. I was working part time making some decent money, relatively speaking, but I spent a lot of my money on cars, going out, etc. My kids will have it the same way, except maybe I will make them pay a little rent that I will invest for them and give back.
My view on university for my kids is that, unless they are going into a trade, they must go to university and either take something professional (eg. medicine, engineer, etc) or just take business. None of this arts stuff that is worth nothing in the real world.
I took business at UofT and work in product management, so I guess what I took is related.
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#8223610 - 05/26/15 07:49 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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Was your universitiy degree or college educatio worth the debt? Did it open doors for you and are you working in your filed and getting paid appropriately?
for me yes, not that it was anything crazy over the top but still req'd for the job i ended up in. mind you, for myself speaking French helped tons for jobs, so it was always easy to find an opening if i needed to. pay, can't complain.
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#8223815 - 05/26/15 10:28 AM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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Goddamn frog!!^^^^
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#8224006 - 05/26/15 12:09 PM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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In general,
Professional degree/trades > business degree > arts degree > college diplopa > nothing
For white collar jobs at least, you must have university, so having an arts degree at least gets you through the minimum requirements. So you`re right. I should rephrase my comment to say, the content in an arts degree is useless for your future career, but having the piece of paper and going through the process to hone skills (eg. organization, networking, etc) will provide value in the future.
While an arts degree doesn't necessarily translate directly to a job (fuck what does now a days anyways ?) I wouldn't call it useless at all. It's good for society overall. Lots of jobs out there Tha t don't require specific schooling , but benefits from having an educated person doing it and being part of the company.
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#8224031 - 05/26/15 12:22 PM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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In general, Professional degree/trades > business degree > arts degree > college diplopa > nothing For white collar jobs at least, you must have university, so having an arts degree at least gets you through the minimum requirements. So you`re right. I should rephrase my comment to say, the content in an arts degree is useless for your future career, but having the piece of paper and going through the process to hone skills (eg. organization, networking, etc) will provide value in the future. While an arts degree doesn't necessarily translate directly to a job (fuck what does now a days anyways ?) I wouldn't call it useless at all. It's good for society overall. Lots of jobs out there Tha t don't require specific schooling , but benefits from having an educated person doing it and being part of the company.
jump from high school straight to Trades
or go to an "easier" univ, get good grades and post grad...
or as above + CFA, FRM, PMP blahblah blah
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#8224168 - 05/26/15 01:40 PM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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I just got CSM + CSPO, will apply for CSP in about a month. Not very helpful.
I came out of uni with a rather large debt load, despite free room + board at the time. Paid 50% of it back at graduation (internship saved my ass), and the rest over 3-4 years.
While my uni did help, it was the internship that really launched my career. One thing I didn't have as much as I'd like was direction; I didn't have that... big brother/mentor role.
I was stuck on a few concepts as to why this or that WOULDN'T work, or that it was too hard, etc... I didn't have anyone to bounce those ideas off of, that those things stopping me were simply DETAILS that were to be overlooked. 
Drive to succeed/change is important; so is your support network, i.e. mentors.
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#8224334 - 05/26/15 03:31 PM
Re: spin off from OT - College or Uni debt and job prospects
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+1, that's what I would do.
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