#8159854 - 04/06/15 12:02 PM
New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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So I've got about 20 miles on the new bike now.
on the hoods I've got an easy~3ish mph pick-up based on perceived effort (placebo I'm sure). And a HUGE increase in acceleration rate.
However when I go to "sprint" I find that anything above 20 mph makes me winded. Seemingly moreso than my old mtn bike. Like even hitting 25+ on the flats seems harder than it used to. But only from a breathing point of view.
A. my cardio actually sucks, but the heavier bike made the legs the weak point, now the lungs are showing their weakness? Get working those invervals
b. the tucked position is scrunching my lungs up, get more flexible
c. I've got to learn to make "power" in the drops. Just keep practicing
d. get an e-bike.
e. get some sort of topical cream for your symptons.
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#8159869 - 04/06/15 12:09 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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aero wheels
aero bars
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vaginal cream
tuck
in all seriousness, holding 20++ in the flats is something I still view as a 'goal' to achieve. I managed it precisely [once] in a race [12 mile bike leg of a sprint tri with a ~300' hill] overall, and it was a bitch. it hurt. no idea mang.
cyclists all talk about increasing your 'threshold power', make more watts at a similar effort I guess to be fast
or use the aero tricks on the table and take less watts to go fast with what you have.
or a little of both
I think interval training is the key to increasing threshold power
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#8159904 - 04/06/15 12:31 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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So I've got about 20 miles on the new bike now.
on the hoods I've got an easy~3ish mph pick-up based on perceived effort (placebo I'm sure). And a HUGE increase in acceleration rate.
However when I go to "sprint" I find that anything above 20 mph makes me winded. Seemingly moreso than my old mtn bike. Like even hitting 25+ on the flats seems harder than it used to. But only from a breathing point of view.
A. my cardio actually sucks, but the heavier bike made the legs the weak point, now the lungs are showing their weakness? Get working those invervals
b. the tucked position is scrunching my lungs up, get more flexible
c. I've got to learn to make "power" in the drops. Just keep practicing
d. get an e-bike.
e. get some sort of topical cream for your symptons.
20 miles is not enough to determine much, you are still getting used to the bike as is your endurance.
Do you have long arms? I remember you had a pretty short stem on that, I ride a 58cm frame with a 130mm 6degree stem and feel pretty good. Prior to that I rode a 57cm frame w/110 mm stem, before moving up to a longer stem I was bunched up on the bike and wasn't as efficient/relaxed as I was/am on the 130mm.
Do you have a trainer or rollers? Take a vid on those and upload here so we can see how you fit your current bike.
edit: holding 20 on a flat straight with minimimal wind should be fairly effortless for a long period.
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#8160401 - 04/06/15 07:41 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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f) put in base miles before trying to "sprint" on day 1. Your legs and lungs aren't ready.
So much this. The fix is to simply ride more. Do sign sprints every now and then. Soon you'll realize you're performing better.
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#8160449 - 04/06/15 08:34 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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#8160610 - 04/06/15 10:50 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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f) put in base miles before trying to "sprint" on day 1. Your legs and lungs aren't ready.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I ride these exact same areas on a commuter modified mtn bike. I'm capable of getting said bike similarly loaded up to such speeds. Depending on day. I'm finding my top flat land speed is lower on the road bike right now.
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#8160618 - 04/06/15 11:19 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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FWIW, holding 20mph for an extended period is the realm of very good cyclists.
I put forth a moderate effort today on my flat 20 mile out-and back loop. I fought the wind on the way back, but my average speed (on my 27 lb cross bike on knobbies) was only 15.6 mph. It hovered around 16.0 mph until that last few miles (dat wind and final climb to my car doe).
The best I've done on that loop is ~19.8 mph on a windless summer day on my "fast" bike at the point in the season where my conditioning is really good. Holding 25 in the flats is nato territory (elite doe)
I don't ride in the drops much (90% of my time is on the hoods), but it's definitely good to get used to it because aero. When I TT I try to stay there as much as possible.
Ride hills. Ride more hills. The more you climb, the more cardio stamina you'll get--and the stronger your legs will get.
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#8161186 - 04/07/15 11:10 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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Sorry, Let me clarify. I'm not thinking I can pull 25 for 12-20 miles.
As of last week I can get my mtn bike up to 25 for a light to light sort of range. I've struggled getting the new bike much above say 22. The lungs seem to be my limiting factor.
However last night I was able to get back into that range.
I think it really is just getting used to the bike. I think because it's so responsive I expect to go from 0-25 quickly, and spend a lot of energy accelerating. Vs just cruising at 18-20 then moving up to 25(much easier).
I also think I've been "tense" on the bike and not really just cruising. Getting out of stop n'go traffic will help.
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#8161278 - 04/07/15 11:55 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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As others have said, it's most likely a matter of just building your base miles. Are you still in good running shape? If so, then the lung issues are puzzling, although cycling is an entirely different activity. The more miles you rack up, the more comfortable you're gonna be on the bike.
If you're crunched for time, get a trainer and do a few 30min-1 hour interval sessions throughout the week.
You don't have a flyweight bike with 700x23 tires, so it's still a bit of a bear to accelerate on. That said, it should be leaps and bounds faster than an old MTB.
I also wonder if the computer on the MTB was accurately calibrated. 
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#8161394 - 04/07/15 12:34 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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he's using a smartphone GPS IIRC
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#8161608 - 04/07/15 02:29 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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yeah, what you're saying isn't making much sense. especially...
"I think it really is just getting used to the bike. I think because it's so responsive I expect to go from 0-25 quickly, and spend a lot of energy accelerating. Vs just cruising at 18-20 then moving up to 25(much easier)."
even from a basic mechanics standpoint. it's definitely in your head.
Edited by BellRacer (04/07/15 02:30 PM)
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#8161849 - 04/07/15 04:53 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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You don't think you use more fuel in you car going 0-60 hard vs cruising at 50 and just accelerating that last 10 mph?
The act of accelerating demands power.
Speeds.
Basically Becsuse the new bike is quicker I'm trying to do things I didn't on the old bike.
Yesterday I did manage to crack 25 every loaded up. I just gradually climbed to 18 and pushed a little. Rather than rowing through the gears as fast as possible trying to get up to speed.
Cn: it's mostly in my head. And I need to quit riding like a bike messenger with a late package.
Edited by dirtyS13drifta (04/07/15 04:53 PM)
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#8162104 - 04/07/15 06:46 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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I think it really is just getting used to the bike. I think because it's so responsive I expect to go from 0-25 quickly, and spend a lot of energy accelerating. Vs just cruising at 18-20 then moving up to 25(much easier).
How's your fit on the bike? If you have things off enough, it can really rob you of power/comfort.
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#8162802 - 04/08/15 10:27 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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? I think im lost at what you are trying to get at lol
I do that to a lot of people
it should take less power to accel the road bike (sports car) than the mtb (semi truck) due to weight and rolling resistance of the tires...is that what youre gettng at?
Agreed.
What I'm saying is because the new sports car is so much quicker, I'm constantly romping on it, at every light. Then bitchign when I'm filling it up more than the old pick-up truck.
If I rode with any sense of energy conservation I'd appreciate the ease of speed. But I'm just going out and hammering it from a stoplight every time.
Fwiw, I do think the gears are actually a wider spread than my mtn bike. I'll have to look up the specs to confirm.
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#8163114 - 04/08/15 12:32 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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gamby
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What's the gearing on the road bike? If it's a 50/34 crank and a 12-32 cassette, then yes, the gearing might be a bit more spaced-out than an older mountainbike with a triple crank.
Two of my bikes have that "nether region" where one gear is too high and one is too low. Granted, on the cross bike, I never notice it off-road--only on-road.
I have another thought. It takes me a solid 4 miles to warm up on a ride. The first 4 miles of a ride are me thinking "this is gonna be a shit ride--I'm dragging ass". Then I get my mojo and I'm fine.
Sprinting from light to light just might get you more winded than you're used to, though.
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#8173819 - 04/16/15 10:24 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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yeah, 50/34 and an 12/30 cassette I think
I'm starting to get more used to it. I think much of it was the wattage from accelerating. Now that I'm used to cruising at a speeds, and then accelerating I'm feeling it more.
Add in, with all the accessories I'm hardly on a aerodynamic ride.
Should I shave my legs yet?
Edited by dirtyS13drifta (04/16/15 10:24 AM)
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#8173823 - 04/16/15 10:27 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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stickaz_old
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cool, thats a compact crank setup. hell yes on the shaving. [30-45s I think in a 40k time trial they say is the benefit, eg similar to an aero helmet]
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#8174019 - 04/16/15 12:00 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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My arms too? I'm chewbacca.
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#8175054 - 04/16/15 10:22 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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Can I keep the pubes?
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#8175186 - 04/17/15 12:45 AM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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gamby
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Um, no. 
I might do the ol' FB attention-whoring as the MS150 nears and post "if I raise XXX by XXX, I'll shave my legs and post pics". Cheezy, but I'm thinking it'll get a good response.
Otherwise, no shaved legs for me.
BTW--just added a bunch of titanium shit and some lighter misc. to my main bike (a bunch of ti bolts, ti pedal spindles, ti derailleur hanger bolt, flyweight aluminum seatpost, lighter seat [don't know if I'll like it--might end up on the cross bike], lighter stem). After the new (lighter) cassette, I'll tally up the grams I shed. I'm thinking it'll be .75 lbs.
Did it for shits and giggles, because I didn't spring for a new frameset and I like to give my bike a fairly major makeover before every season. 
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#8175830 - 04/17/15 12:31 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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So the last 2 days I've managed 19.5mph and 18.1 on my 4.5mi commute, Roughly 200' down, 150' up
Given the 8 lights, pannier, rear fender, and non cycling clothes, I feel like that's reasonable.
My prior record was 18.5 on the old bike (about a month ago).
Now given much of this is probably the lights/traffic. But regardless I feel like I'm starting to see the rewards of the bike (well that general cycling fitness).
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#8175836 - 04/17/15 12:33 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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stickaz_old
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^bike placebo effect, defended
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#8175969 - 04/17/15 01:18 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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What's a decent 40km(unoffical) for a newb? Sub 1:20? 1:10?
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#8176018 - 04/17/15 01:38 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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dirtyS13drifta
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You're also saving fuel for a 10km afterwards.
And swimming further before hand than I've ever swam in my life (combined).
Without the rest of the tri, you could crack 1:15 right?
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#8176027 - 04/17/15 01:43 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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stickaz_old
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*with a favorable wind [eg either a tail primarily or nuetral wind] I think I could go under 1:15 on mostly flat terrain
**in aero tuck the entire way, on zipps, aero helmet, and mostly if not completely flat terrain, lycra, etc
***while feeling like this guy the entire time:
-->https://www.facebook.com/usacycling/videos/10152817649426334/
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#8176352 - 04/17/15 04:30 PM
Re: New to road cycling...breathing?
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