#8037446 - 01/08/15 02:56 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Mick Daddy
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alright, I see that i'm offending people, really wanted to just question benefits of lifting heavy versus regular cardio vascular training etc
Wasn't trying to make this a personal thing. I'll go back to lurking 
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#8037511 - 01/08/15 03:11 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Design
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No offense taken. There are going to be pros and cons of any exercise and its frequency/intensity. But everyone here agrees any exercise to get the blood moving is better than nothing at all lol.
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#8037601 - 01/08/15 03:42 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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dirtyS13drifta
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The thing is, I have two grandparents that lived to be 100 and 101 year old in the mountains in jamaica, they were active into their old age. They weren't rocking back and forth in a chair or bed ridden for months, they were out walking around and still mentally fit until they passed away. Well we're in the fitness forum talking about a recap of 2014 and not the Caribbean forum in the how to live with logentivity past 2015 thread. So with that said I'm not sure what your point is anymore other than to create a discussion that has nothing to do with this topic or forum any longer other than to entertain you at work. So good day!
I'd say Deisel started the detour by his comment actually.
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#8037634 - 01/08/15 03:53 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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dirtyS13drifta
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not necessarily but the 400lb bencher will likely be stronger and have better bone denisty / musculature than the 300lb bencher over the long haul, so it stands to reason it might prolong life...?
Or it stands to reason that the extra stress of training severely detriments life expectancy.
Most humans have a normal range of optimum health, and I'd say benching 400lbs is well out of that range. Same thing with ultra running and other pursuits that push the limits.
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#8037691 - 01/08/15 04:26 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Mick Daddy
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not necessarily but the 400lb bencher will likely be stronger and have better bone denisty / musculature than the 300lb bencher over the long haul, so it stands to reason it might prolong life...? Or it stands to reason that the extra stress of training severely detriments life expectancy. Most humans have a normal range of optimum health, and I'd say benching 400lbs is well out of that range. Same thing with ultra running and other pursuits that push the limits.
This is kind of what I was getting at.
I have a friend that's now a professional bodybuilder, and the guy is humongous, and he's constantly talking about health and fitness. Then I thought, is bodybuilding really about living healthy (er) or is it just another obsessive vanity project.
I can't see how being extremely jacked would be beneficial in the long run.
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#8037731 - 01/08/15 06:10 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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2000SiRacer
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not necessarily but the 400lb bencher will likely be stronger and have better bone denisty / musculature than the 300lb bencher over the long haul, so it stands to reason it might prolong life...? Or it stands to reason that the extra stress of training severely detriments life expectancy. Most humans have a normal range of optimum health, and I'd say benching 400lbs is well out of that range. Same thing with ultra running and other pursuits that push the limits. This is kind of what I was getting at. I have a friend that's now a professional bodybuilder, and the guy is humongous, and he's constantly talking about health and fitness. Then I thought, is bodybuilding really about living healthy (er) or is it just another obsessive vanity project. I can't see how being extremely jacked would be beneficial in the long run.
I think we've decided to agree to disagree on this point.
But I'll jump into the body builder not being healthy bus. At least the top level pro guys who are taking a pharmacy's worth of drugs and on the cover of magazines at gas stations. I won't say that lifting XXX weight is somehow unhealthy or detrimental.
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#8037775 - 01/08/15 06:56 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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dirtyS13drifta
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bodybuilding vs joe public resistance training is 2 different worlds...
But you snarked about people not wanting to get stronger, when asked why, you said because stronger is healthier.
If someone can 10 rep 1.5 BW, do they really need to worry about "more". Will they see any material health benefits?
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#8038015 - 01/08/15 11:09 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Mick Daddy
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so we agree that, the obsession with running those extra miles or lifting those extra lbs has little to do with fitness & health and more to do with just pushing yourself for the hell of it?
Cause that's all I'm asking.
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#8038143 - 01/09/15 12:50 AM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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stickaz_old
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actually the converse is equally important. Is that injury risking routine/mileage/load measurably beneficial or actually harmful than a more measured approach and a more balanced life in terms of any of these things? [quality of life, health, happiness, alternate pursuits]
YMMV
CN: lift more fatso
and yes I don't do enough of anything to approach worrying about any of this stuff, but I do know what its like to compete as a college athlete
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#8038556 - 01/09/15 10:18 AM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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dirtyS13drifta
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The real question is: Are the extra few years you get by taking it easy worth it if you can't move around or have bad mental health?
Depends what you mean by "taking it easy".
If I can rep 225+, and run a <6 minute mile, and run 15+ miles , and I'm happy. Then do I have "bad" health and can't move around?
I mean, really, who's more likely to have trouble moving around, someone absolutely exploring the limits of their genetics, or someone who's got far above average fitness yet is satisfied with taht.
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#8038580 - 01/09/15 10:26 AM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Some of you don't seem to get there's not only 2 options: the gym or the couch.
There's a whole spectrum of goals/ efforts. Yes, I too like to see what I can do, but what I've also found is that leads to injuries. I also see the gym as means to an end more than the end themself.
So if taking it a little easier in the gym on squats day means I have more in the tank for snowboarding, so be it.
So when someone says the equivalent of go hard/go home, I roll my eyes. Instead of belittling someone's efforts, just appreciate they're working towards THEIR goals, not yours.
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#8038719 - 01/09/15 11:41 AM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Some people look at cardio training as drudgery. It's something I look forward to (well, when it's outside--indoors, not so much). 
Riding 40 or 50 miles on a Saturday is pretty damn gratifying to me.
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#8038731 - 01/09/15 11:47 AM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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In general I'd say there's very little elitism from the regulars in this forum. I think everyone likes to share their accomplishments in a crowd that can relate to the hard work it requires to do so; not because they are trying to prove their worth/performance against society. Yeah we sometime jab one another; but it's all in good fun.
I like to think I'm very encouraging of others no matter what level we're at. Maybe because I can relate from years of inactivity and related injuries. And I've always been appreciative of others who helped push me along or offer advice. Getting into triathlons, for example, was a little intimidating as I had no bike/swim experience for well over a decade. But I was fortunate to have others here volunteer their time and resources without looking down at my lack of experience or background.
Carry on. 
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#8039572 - 01/09/15 11:03 PM
Re: 2014 Fitness Recap
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Depends what you mean by "taking it easy".
If I can rep 225+, and run a <6 minute mile, and run 15+ miles , and I'm happy. Then do I have "bad" health and can't move around?
I don't know. Can you? There isn't a concrete thing anyone can point to. The data only shows that those who push themselves way too far end up regressing on the mortality curve. There is definitely a sweet spot. Some people may be more physically resistant to training hard than others. They train hard because their bodies allow them to. Some people train hard because they can mentally push themselves. The only real way to know is at the end of your life.
I mean, really, who's more likely to have trouble moving around, someone absolutely exploring the limits of their genetics, or someone who's got far above average fitness yet is satisfied with taht.
Likely? The second. That's what I meant by "taking it easy." There's a difference between running marathons every weekend or training like you're training for the Olympics when lifting and those who push themselves in the gym.
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#8039631 - 01/10/15 12:56 AM
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