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#7932544 - 10/26/14 08:14 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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stretched tires
rougher ride
adding extra kms for no reason
lower to ground

More benefits to going wider (since 235 is a weird size)

Edit - it will also look stupid being so small in the wheel wells (radius). The benefits to being a few mm narrow is minimal in the type of snow we drive in especially since I have awd
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#7932559 - 10/26/14 08:27 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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car looks much ebtter with the birghter wheels, but who cares, it's winter haha.

I swapped winter this weekend as well, on my wifes car one lug nut was cross threaded, DOH, it only came half way loose then stopped. Couldnt do anything to get it off. Had to bust of the sawzall and get in there to cut the lug nut \:\(
Stupid Suzuki, you cant change a lug nut without pressing out the hub!!
Decided it was finally time to buy a press, got a hydrlic 12 ton, pressed out the hub, bearing toasted \:\(
$189 locally for the bearing or $50 from Rockauto!! What the hell, now the car sits waiting for the fedex man
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#7932605 - 10/26/14 09:08 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: zc911]
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#7932699 - 10/26/14 09:57 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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i bent up the 12 ton pretty good doing various bearings.
shouldve got 20

as for the tire size...I could see 235 being off.
what size stock wheels? can they fit 225 better?

who cares about looks THAT much in winter? :p 225 > 245 in the snow. but either way youll be fine.
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#7932708 - 10/26/14 10:03 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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you are doing it wrong then, according to the guage it only needed like 5 tons to pop out the hub!
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#7932844 - 10/26/14 11:11 PM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: zc911]
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It will vary from car to car and what bearing you are working on of course.

/age matters too. the older the harder it usually is.
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#7933004 - 10/27/14 07:40 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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#7933008 - 10/27/14 07:45 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Michelin Xi3's sidewalls so squishy wtf... makes the car feel so twitchy \:\(

Maybe some more PSI will help... I usually run my tires at 32 PSI.


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#7933130 - 10/27/14 08:56 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: spd-dmn]
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Bring it


yoooo! Are those alzors?
I got a set of alzors too for winter. Are those 17s?

Euphoric: I agree with you. I'd run 225 for winter too (infact, that's what I am buying). My sumemrs are 255 fwiw. I don't see any reason to run a wider tire. Winters are squirmy as it is. Putting a narrower tire on a wider rim will make it less squirmy. Plus, it's not the issue of forward traction in the snow (awd arguement). It's about steering and braking. Having a narrower tire in snow makes the car more responsive. A wider tire tends to ride atop the snow more vs slice through it. Rally cars are all about braking and cornering. They run bicycle tires \:D



Furball - I'd run higher pressure if it was dry. In low traction conditions, lower psi is preferred. But if you're dealing with squirm...uh yeah, 32 is low. I run 36psi in the summer time.
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#7933136 - 10/27/14 08:59 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: 4age]
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You can always air down if the conditions call for it, airing up isn't as easy when you're in sloppy conditions \:\) I run my winters at 35psi, if it's bad out I'll air them down to 30psi or so.
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#7933167 - 10/27/14 09:16 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: 4age]
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Bring it


yoooo! Are those alzors?
I got a set of alzors too for winter. Are those 17s?

Euphoric: I agree with you. I'd run 225 for winter too (infact, that's what I am buying). My sumemrs are 255 fwiw. I don't see any reason to run a wider tire. Winters are squirmy as it is. Putting a narrower tire on a wider rim will make it less squirmy. Plus, it's not the issue of forward traction in the snow (awd arguement). It's about steering and braking. Having a narrower tire in snow makes the car more responsive. A wider tire tends to ride atop the snow more vs slice through it. Rally cars are all about braking and cornering. They run bicycle tires \:D



Furball - I'd run higher pressure if it was dry. In low traction conditions, lower psi is preferred. But if you're dealing with squirm...uh yeah, 32 is low. I run 36psi in the summer time.



You guys are hilarious - it's a 10mm difference from stock and the bigger size that everyone with a GS runs is 10mm wider than stock. Further to that you're losing comfort and adding unnecessary kms on your car (even if it's minimal) - for what? That big rally I would be driving from my house to work on the 6 days I'll actually be driving on uncleared roads?

With wheel sizes you never go smaller than stock circumference on a daily with low profile tires if you have to choose - it rides worse. I'm on 19's none of these 14 or 15 inch doughnuts deals. You know how small the sidewall is as it sits?

I get the principles of a narrower tire in snow but it won't make a measurable amount of difference here vs the benefits of a taller sidewall.
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#7933172 - 10/27/14 09:21 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
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Bring it


yoooo! Are those alzors?
I got a set of alzors too for winter. Are those 17s?

Euphoric: I agree with you. I'd run 225 for winter too (infact, that's what I am buying). My sumemrs are 255 fwiw. I don't see any reason to run a wider tire. Winters are squirmy as it is. Putting a narrower tire on a wider rim will make it less squirmy. Plus, it's not the issue of forward traction in the snow (awd arguement). It's about steering and braking. Having a narrower tire in snow makes the car more responsive. A wider tire tends to ride atop the snow more vs slice through it. Rally cars are all about braking and cornering. They run bicycle tires \:D



Furball - I'd run higher pressure if it was dry. In low traction conditions, lower psi is preferred. But if you're dealing with squirm...uh yeah, 32 is low. I run 36psi in the summer time.



You guys are hilarious - it's a 10mm difference from stock and the bigger size that everyone with a GS runs is 10mm wider than stock. Further to that you're losing comfort and adding unnecessary kms on your car (even if it's minimal) - for what? That big rally I would be driving from my house to work on the 6 days I'll actually be driving on uncleared roads?

With wheel sizes you never go smaller than stock circumference on a daily with low profile tires if you have to choose - it rides worse. I'm on 19's none of these 14 or 15 inch doughnuts deals. You know how small the sidewall is as it sits?

I get the principles of a narrower tire in snow but it won't make a measurable amount of difference here vs the benefits of a taller sidewall.


Do you even rally broooooo????

This is pretty much inline with 4age's car reviews, always review car performance/handling/everything under most extreme conditions which account for .0000000000000000000001% of driving and then use that as a blanket statement to make a point. A good review should be that AND REAL LIFE APPLICATION/livability!!! XD XD XD

BRB rally.

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#7933175 - 10/27/14 09:23 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Risky Business]
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Jeff, we sold our legacy GT after 7 years with no rust. No rust on my E46 M3 either (that hardly got driven in the winter, if ever). Point is by the time you sell the car, it won't have rust on it and Krown will be a waste of money. If you plan on holding onto the car for 10+ years, I can see you doing crown.


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#7933176 - 10/27/14 09:24 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Risky Business]
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do you even rally brah?
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#7933179 - 10/27/14 09:24 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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#7933186 - 10/27/14 09:28 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Risky Business]
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I agree with the principles and I also agree to go with the narrowest tire you can (but within the oem height specs). But I'm with you real world application - if I had non oem wheels sure buy a narrower wheel and get a tire that fits the height specs.

Also we drive in mostly non snowy cold conditions for about 5 months of the year - screw making the car look terrible for so long ;).

It's like saying I could get better acceleration with super low profile tires and 17s (if they fit the brakes) - sure but everything else would suck.

I'm also not raising my car up - you basically have to take the suspension apart to do that and get another alignment - no way Jose.
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#7933312 - 10/27/14 10:22 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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why do you keep saying more km's?
what are the sizes ?


cant you get the stock size in the winter you got?
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#7933325 - 10/27/14 10:26 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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yep i agree.. narrower is good but only to a point. it's not a massive difference that you will feel in city driving

4age: these are andros from tire rack.. audi replica wheels 17x7.5


my stock tire size is 255/35/19

winters are 215/50/17, bit narrower and also half an inch shorter in terms of nominal height

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#7933343 - 10/27/14 10:31 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: spd-dmn]
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255 to 215. Petter Solberg over hurrr
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#7933347 - 10/27/14 10:32 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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275/40 - 20 front and 315/35 - 20 rear to 245/55 - 19 all around for me.
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#7933349 - 10/27/14 10:33 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yes I know wheel sizes, offsets and tire sizes extremely well - I've probably had more wheels, tires and done research than most if not all people here.

Going 225 from 235 all else the same will be a 1 inch difference in circumference approx as well a 1.2% differenc (smaller meaning I will put on an extra 1% in kms).

Going to a 45 series tire at 225 makes it 2.2% larger which is too big from stock.

Going to a 245 40 from the stock 235 is only 1.2% larger. So I have to choose larger or smaller for the minimal difference - I choose 1 percent larger.
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#7933357 - 10/27/14 10:36 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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You guys are hilarious - it's a 10mm difference from stock and the bigger size that everyone with a GS runs is 10mm wider than stock. Further to that you're losing comfort and adding unnecessary kms on your car (even if it's minimal) - for what? That big rally I would be driving from my house to work on the 6 days I'll actually be driving on uncleared roads?

With wheel sizes you never go smaller than stock circumference on a daily with low profile tires if you have to choose - it rides worse. I'm on 19's none of these 14 or 15 inch doughnuts deals. You know how small the sidewall is as it sits?

I get the principles of a narrower tire in snow but it won't make a measurable amount of difference here vs the benefits of a taller sidewall.


I think there is a miscommunication here somewhere.
I don't see how going to a narrow tire affects circumference at all.
Tire diameter has to do with width plus aspect ratio of the tire. You can maintain circumference whilst going to a narrower tire if that is your concern.

BTW a taller sidewall is going to also provide more grip in low traction conditions.

EDIT: Just read your response on diameters. Ok, so you went with the one that would have the smallest effect. I get it, I get it XD


Edited by 4age (10/27/14 10:38 AM)
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#7933362 - 10/27/14 10:38 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: spd-dmn]
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4age: what style wheel did you get?

if it's the same, do you have pics of the back markings? Curious if these are the same wheel with different branding..

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#7933374 - 10/27/14 10:43 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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255 to 215. Petter Solberg over hurrr


haha nah, there is method to my madness \:\)


tried to use the best wheel+tire size that will fit the largest number of cars e.g. bigger 26" cars like passat, a4, a5, a6 and at the same time also fit 25" cars like a3, jetta, golf, etc

had to do lots of measuring and maths.. but i think (hope) it will work overall.

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#7933377 - 10/27/14 10:43 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: spd-dmn]
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#7933398 - 10/27/14 10:51 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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Yes I know wheel sizes, offsets and tire sizes extremely well - I've probably had more wheels, tires and done research than most if not all people here.


lel



1% extra km's over winter is essentially meaningless.
On top of that it will balance out from your summer usage.


why not just run the stock 235 size?
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#7933405 - 10/27/14 10:54 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: spd-dmn]
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255 to 215. Petter Solberg over hurrr


haha nah, there is method to my madness \:\)


tried to use the best wheel+tire size that will fit the largest number of cars e.g. bigger 26" cars like passat, a4, a5, a6 and at the same time also fit 25" cars like a3, jetta, golf, etc

had to do lots of measuring and maths.. but i think (hope) it will work overall.

versatility brah
are you planning on switching a lot of cars over the ocurse of their life?

did you get a discounted price since it was a potentially more common size?
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#7933408 - 10/27/14 10:56 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yes I know wheel sizes, offsets and tire sizes extremely well - I've probably had more wheels, tires and done research than most if not all people here.


lel



1% extra km's over winter is essentially meaningless.
On top of that it will balance out from your summer usage.


Is it even 1%, I'd think it's less /haven't done teh mathz

Even at 1%, if you drive a lot (10k on winters) that's only 100km more a year. moot point

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#7933415 - 10/27/14 10:58 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Risky Business]
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Even at 1%, if you drive a lot (10k on winters) that's only 100km more a year. moot point
exactly
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#7933418 - 10/27/14 11:00 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Even at 1%, if you drive a lot (10k on winters) that's only 100km more a year. moot point
exactly


But it is a factor on top of everything else I stated. Do you notice the difference in sidewall comfort? Yes.

Hey you put whatever you want on your cars. I'll keep doing it my way - seems to work.
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#7933425 - 10/27/14 11:01 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yes I know wheel sizes, offsets and tire sizes extremely well - I've probably had more wheels, tires and done research than most if not all people here.


lel



1% extra km's over winter is essentially meaningless.
On top of that it will balance out from your summer usage.


why not just run the stock 235 size?


You get like 10% of the options at that size.
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#7933445 - 10/27/14 11:07 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: JEFFOS]
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true but it seems the tires you went with actually come in the stock size.

obviously do whatever you want. Run 24" donks I dun care. Just trying to understand why you would bother with a wider winter.
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#7933448 - 10/27/14 11:11 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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It looks better breh, I don't blame him doe.
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#7933449 - 10/27/14 11:11 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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#7933453 - 10/27/14 11:12 AM Re: Anyone bring their winter beaters out yet? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
true but it seems the tires you went with actually come in the stock size.

obviously do whatever you want. Run 24" donks I dun care. Just trying to understand why you would bother with a wider winter.


Comfort benefit with availability - while the other tires may come in that size its always a wait because nobody uses them for anything. Also this matches exactly with my summer wheel size.


24 inches is for next summer man
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