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#7839382 - 08/29/14 05:01 AM Mortgage questions..
SiZ Offline
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Hey guys, I don't know much about this stuff, and I know at least a few of you keep an eye on it, so worth an ask.

So I called my mortgage broker this week because I want to bump the payments up, and start paying the house down faster. I just wanted to ask him what I need to do to set that up. He called me back a day later and told me that he did some "research" and found that he can save me some money on switching even though I have 2.5 years left on my current mortgage. He said right now I'm at prime plus .7 and he can get my prime plus .35, and even though I'd have to pay a $1700 penalty, it would save me an additional $1500 over the course of time.

I didn't know what to tell him, and said we'll talk in a few weeks. (I'm up north next week) What he was telling me sounded good and seemed to make sense, but I also didn't know if he was kind of jerking me around and just being a salesman.
What would you do?

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#7839405 - 08/29/14 06:18 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SiZ]
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You'd probably save more by just upping your monthly payments at your current interest rate.
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#7839467 - 08/29/14 07:36 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: LNXGUY]
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3.35? even that doesn't sound so great in today's market?

what's the term? 5-yr fixed?

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#7839515 - 08/29/14 08:11 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: spd-dmn]
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Depending on your prepayment options, you should just be able to call your lender to make the change to the payment amount. I've done it with both CIBC and RBC.

As for switching, it all depends on the math. What he's telling you is probably valid, but I'd have him present some other options. Do you have some type of high-risk mortgage or something? Looking at Monster Mortgage, they've got rates under 3% for anything fixed 1-5 years. You might want to consider a fixed rate, especially in the short term (2-3 years) if your mortgage is quite high. The interest rate risk of going up is lower, and you'd be virtually guaranteed to save money over what you have now.
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#7839533 - 08/29/14 08:16 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SW20_MR2]
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ratehub.ca and check the going rates before you make a decision
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#7839835 - 08/29/14 11:06 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: Balhar]
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They're both 5 year variable. No high risk or anything like that.

Fuck I hate this stuff. \:\(
I think I'll just start paying mine down.
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#7839852 - 08/29/14 11:18 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SiZ]
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5yr closed variable rates are way lower right now. Even P+.35 is too high. RBC off-the-street rate is prime right now.

Unless you're on an open term, then those rates are much better.

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#7839881 - 08/29/14 11:45 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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mine is up for renewal on Dec 26 and my lender just called me

they can do a 5 yr variable @ prime - .5 so 2.5% as of now.

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#7839892 - 08/29/14 11:53 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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OP, you need to contact the bank where your mortgage is to change the payment (frequency, increase/decrease it). The broker won't do squat to make that change for you.

If you want to pay down the mortgage fast, the rule of thumb is always choose either weekly or biweekly frequency. Try to increase the payment by 15% (some lender allows max 20% increase over the original payment amount based on the amortization). If you have extra cash, you can make prepayment either lumpsum or you can prepay yourself as long as your bank account is the same as the mortgage.

Your mortgage broker will always offer you to switch bank because he gets pay when the mortgage is transfer from Bank A to Bank B (new deal for him) and you have to eat the penalty for early termination of your current contract. Unless you are getting Prime for variable, I wouldn't switch to another bank for P+0.35% and you eat the $1700 penalty (3 months penalty). You might want to think about locking in to a 5 yrs fixed rate if you fear the prime rate is going to go up (it will mostly goes up in 2015 at some point)
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#7840100 - 08/29/14 01:28 PM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: iamfob]
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Okay, thanks for the insight! I'm not sure if he really knew my intentions, but I was planning on increasing the payments by 50%, but a lower interest rate interests me. (!) I pay accelerated bi-weekly as it is..

The ultimate goal needs to be to pay the house off, while giving the minimal amount to bank for lending me the money!
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#7840415 - 08/29/14 03:40 PM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SiZ]
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You likely won't be able to increase you payment by 50%. Check the rules in your contract.

I recommend you work with the broker to figure out what makes sense. Your rate right now is pretty shit, so it's probably worthwhile to switch. At the same time, when you sign a new mortgage, make the amortization period smaller to reflect the payment amount that you're looking to make.
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#7840566 - 08/29/14 05:49 PM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SW20_MR2]
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OP also look into 2 year renewals. I have been doing that for the past couple years since the rates went up. I'm currently paying 2.25% for a 2 year closed. Aint no variable touching that right now.
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#7840714 - 08/29/14 07:43 PM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
I'm currently paying 2.25% for a 2 year closed. Aint no variable touching that right now.

Lucky I got that variable rate when we bought our house 3yrs ago. What's variable going nowadays?

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#7840958 - 08/30/14 01:24 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: civic13]
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I'm still on P-0.85% from August 2011 \:D

I am debating when is the sweet spot to lock into a fixed rate (maybe I will do Hatorade's 2 years idea)
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#7840967 - 08/30/14 01:46 AM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: iamfob]
SiZ Offline
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What are my advantages to doing a short term, short amortization period? I don't really get how this works. \:\(

Just give the bank money until you're bones hurt!!

Thanks guys.

SW - I can make that increase, I made sure when I signed the mortgage. (This is part of my "big plan") As long as I go up in increments of 10%, I'm cool.

I think I'm going to switch it?!


Edited by SiZ (08/30/14 01:47 AM)
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#7841273 - 08/30/14 02:06 PM Re: Mortgage questions.. [Re: SiZ]
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The rates on short term lengths right now are quite attractive. The banks will give lower rates because their exposure to offering low rates is low due to the short terms.

The amortization period simply spreads your payments over a period of time that you expect to be able to pay off the mortgage (usually 25 years). However, since you're looking to make significantly higher payments, you can shorten your amortization. This will give you the payment amount that you're looking to make.
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