#7731395 - 06/12/14 03:54 PM
advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
san jose rock-n-roll marathon, Oct 5, 2014
gives me not quite 4 months
where I'm at: 10 miles/week, max long run of a 10k. Had been fighting some knee issues but those seem to have faded as I reduced mileage.
Goal is just to finish and then maybe go sub 2h, so just a bit over 9 min miles I guess.
Current 5k PR this year is 24:xx [8:00 pace], and my 10k PR is 53:xx, or 8:35/mi or so.
My brief internet research on "how to run a 1/2 marathon" seems to suggest running ~4x a week and 20-24 miles/week or so for this type of goal, with one 'long run' a week, and a mix of speed/tempo work and other stuff I dont really understand.
Am I going to be dissapointed if I gradually increase my mileage to ~15 a week with say a 'speed' day, a 'long/slow' day, and then maybe a tempo workout [3x/wk] on race day? [eg have a bad time or go over 2h, etc], eventually I plan to have my 'long run' in the 10-12 mile range [1x a week]
background: noob jogger that basically started light jogging in Feb. I have 157 miles jogged so far YTD per strava. Yes, I realize that is very little. Last couple months I'm averaging 10 miles/week tho except for 2 weeks I basically took off w/knee probs.
My stretch goal is say 1:45 to 1:50 or so, eg. avging a hair over 8:00/miles.
Any suggestions? I also train for sprint swimming and tris so getting much more time jogging is going to be tough without some sacrifices. Last month I tried to 'double up' workouts [eg swim + bike] or [bike + run] on a given day [~2 hrs of aerobic work/day] but I was burning out so I've backed off and I'm much happier for it.
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7731422 - 06/12/14 04:08 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
I used this one: http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51312/Half-Marathon-Novice-2-Training-Program
As most people will tell you the key is to not skip the long runs. With your current knee condition I strongly suggest 1) mild strength training, and 2) running no more than every other day. Take Sundays and Wednesdays (or whatever your mid-week would be) and do strength with some elliptical to keep pressure off the joints.
Deadlifts and back squats are easy but very effective leg/back exercises. In my case, it reduced recovery after long runs, from 3 days down to 1. GL.
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7731511 - 06/12/14 04:43 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Design]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
cool thks, I'm ok with 'simply finishing' and being at/around/just over 2h also. I pretty much hate running but there is some intersection between greater running fitness and doing better in my planned distance for tris [international with the 10k] so I figure why not. I don't want anything crazy there just say sub 50:00 around this timeframe also on the run leg. hopefully these goals all sort of overlap.
also it should be plainly stated that I don't currently [not in the last couple years] run anywhere near this distance. I think I accidentally did 7.7 miles on a planned 10k workout recently. That was about it. So theres that lol.
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7732311 - 06/13/14 07:26 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
Lividentity
Major Member
Registered: 07/14/04
Posts: 1302
Loc: Gehenna
|
Definitely go with the Higdon plans. I've used them for 2 half marathons and 1 full and planning on doing it again this year for another full.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7732678 - 06/13/14 10:39 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Lividentity]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
Good luck OP. This is how it starts though.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7754823 - 06/30/14 11:41 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
I think you'll be able to push to a bit faster than that, but I doubt you'll break 1:50 yet. Though if you're only running? not having to cycle or swim? You might. FWIW, that's faster than my best so far.
And yeah, I've long thought your LSR pace should be slower. Maybe not 11+ slow, like you said you were recovering. But most the calculators says 2.5 minutes slower than your 5k pace is a good proximation.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7754980 - 06/30/14 01:29 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: ]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
My suggestion is don't push yourself too hard the first time out and possibly set yourself up for disappointment. There are so many factors such as crowds, hydration, weather, etc. Just go out, take it all in, and enjoy the ride the first time out.
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7755011 - 06/30/14 01:55 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Design]
|
Lividentity
Major Member
Registered: 07/14/04
Posts: 1302
Loc: Gehenna
|
You're got 3 months to train and already ran an 11 miler? You shouldn't have any issues with the distance than. In reality you don't even need to run 11 miles to train for a half. If you want to be faster go do some speed work and some hills if you can. You're going to do a lot better if once a week you only run 3 miles, but it is quarter mile repeats than if you do 1 more 8 mile run, imho. Those Hal Higdon plans sure worked that way for me. I followed the plan, actually did speed work and dropped 10 mins on my half PR.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7755018 - 06/30/14 02:04 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Lividentity]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
so reading between the lines I should do something like this?
Tues: pace 5k [for me, something like 8:30 miles]--for a goal pace of 1/2@ 1:50 thurs: Hill repeats or 400m repeats [zone 4 aka hard!], 3 miles or so Fri: tiny brick at the end of a bike [5k or so], around 9:00 pace [??] su: long/slow run: 8-10 miles around 10:00/mi pace
sound reasonable for now? puts me around 15-20 miles for the week depending if I skip thurs or fri [or do both]
on a side note I'll be masters swimming 2x a week and 1-2 surf days/week, at least 1 day of weights and 3-4 bike commute days + possibly a weekend ride so around 80 miles/week
this is probably the absolute max I can squeeze in running without sacrificing something else or doing 2x/day workouts -- which seem to hard for me
thanks for the advice everyone. I think perhaps simple survival is best in my first half. Maybe go out on 9:00 for a solid 5 miles or so and if I feel up to it, maybe push it a little.
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7755022 - 06/30/14 02:09 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Cheesegoggles]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
10k under 50:00 posted on strava?
I've always heard 8:00 pace is the arbitrary threshold between running and jogging?
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7755222 - 06/30/14 04:22 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
10k under 50:00 posted on strava?
Yiiisss! I'm still a yogger!
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810567 - 08/08/14 01:42 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: ]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
update: body seems to be holding ~15 mile/week pace. wooo
been getting some more quality speedwork in lately, generally been getting the long run in weekly
I'm still a bit scared of the distance/race but it's good for me to have something over my head that is tough to do. Motivates me to get out and jog.
as an example this week I did a tues/thurs tempo-ish short-ish runs (~3m ea), today I'll throw a brick onto a bike commute, and sunday I will do a long run that allows my weekly total to hit 15-16 miles [so sorta depends how far I go on the brick]
Last week I found myself some hills and got some vert in for running. Was nice really, a nice change-up to the flat running I've always done.
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810605 - 08/08/14 02:03 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
how does this sound? I'm sorta fighting not-re-injuring my knee also
Eg week 1: 15 [this week] week 2: 16.5 week 3: 18.1 week 4: 19.9 [call it 20!] week 5: 15 [recover week! woo] week 6: 20-22 week 7: 15 [taper!] week 8: 6 [taper!] race week
my long runs presently are in the 8-12 mile range [1x/week], converted to canuck I guess that 11k to 20k
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810609 - 08/08/14 02:04 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
I highly suggest getting that weekly mileage up to at least 20-25...you'll likely have a far better experience at the race (and recovery-wise).
With only ~7 weeks and his other training, I'm not sure pushing to 25 would be advised. That's a big increase. but 15 seems a little light for your first 1/2. I mean I've done 1/2s on 5 miles a week, but my goal pace was slow, and I'd done a few. I had no pain the next day fwiw.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810729 - 08/08/14 02:52 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: ]
|
Sir Ironpool
Sponsored by Toyota
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 71770
Loc: Long Beach, CA
|
I highly suggest getting that weekly mileage up to at least 20-25...you'll likely have a far better experience at the race (and recovery-wise). With only ~7 weeks and his other training, I'm not sure pushing to 25 would be advised. That's a big increase. but 15 seems a little light for your first 1/2. I mean I've done 1/2s on 5 miles a week, but my goal pace was slow, and I'd done a few. I had no pain the next day fwiw.
Nah, 6 weeks would be plenty of time to build up to an extra 5 -7 miles a week before he tapers for this race. Like I said, it would make his race far more enjoyable with far less walking.
Either way, he'll do fine.
_________________________
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810965 - 08/08/14 05:21 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
I highly suggest getting that weekly mileage up to at least 20-25...you'll likely have a far better experience at the race (and recovery-wise). With only ~7 weeks and his other training, I'm not sure pushing to 25 would be advised. That's a big increase. but 15 seems a little light for your first 1/2. I mean I've done 1/2s on 5 miles a week, but my goal pace was slow, and I'd done a few. I had no pain the next day fwiw. Nah, 6 weeks would be plenty of time to build up to an extra 5 -7 miles a week before he tapers for this race. Like I said, it would make his race far more enjoyable with far less walking. Either way, he'll do fine.
7 weeks to increase 10 miles wouldn't be much, though it's still nearly double his current weekly mileage. We're not talking about an established runner though, he's already ramped up a lot. And he has many other activities, and has already had his body tell him to watch it(see knee posts 3 months ago).
I think based on the dramatic change in lifestyle in the last 12 months, he'd have to trade off by reducing one of his other activities.
I honestly don't think that 1 week of doing 25 miles vs say 20, for a half, offers much benefit. But I think it does increase risk. That's my opinion.
Op will probably be fine though either way.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7810972 - 08/08/14 05:29 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7811003 - 08/08/14 05:53 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Sir Ironpool
Sponsored by Toyota
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 71770
Loc: Long Beach, CA
|
Keep in mind that I was in a very similar position as you when I started my foray into this nuttiness. Mid 30's, 60 pounds overweight and couch to full retard in 10 seconds flat.
I know what it's like fear injury and to deal with all those initial aches and pains as your body gets used to this new stress put on it. The thing with running though, is that the only way to make it stronger and more resistant to injury is to push it. That 10% IMO is very conservative. As long as you listen to it, your body is capable of much more stress. You have a good base fitness already, so ramping up a little should be okay. You're getting very little ROI from swimming and biking, so it's okay to ease off those and put a little more I to your run, where you'll see the tangible results come race day (in both the Tri and half) 13.1 is great distance because it demands respect, but also because you can "race" it. My own results went: 1:50 1:45 1:29 all in about 18 months. No specific training other than building up my mileage base.
The main thing is to have fun though, so do what works for you. I've successfully "coached" a handful of people to PR's at multiple distances, so I know that my suggestions don't just work for me. Take whatever you want out of all that, and go out and kick some ass.
_________________________
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7811012 - 08/08/14 05:56 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
gamby
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 40865
Loc: RI
|
Gaining weight at this activity level is impressive. Are you doing the "I'm training a ton so I'll eat whatever the fuck I want and burn it off later" method?
Even dropping 5 lbs will reduce the shock on your legs a good amount. I hope you can figure it out (you know the answer, it's just an answer that is no fun at all).
_________________________
___________________________________ gamby still have an EM1--go figure
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7811367 - 08/08/14 11:17 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
I also disagree on increasing the mileage this soon before the half. Especially with the OP's previous injuries. The key is really the long run with at least two shorter runs to keep the leg muscles fresh. Maybe work in elliptical and/or strength training on the off days.
Finish the race, evaluate, decide if worth doing more competitively. My 2 cents...
Edited by Design (08/08/14 11:18 PM)
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7865291 - 09/15/14 10:12 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
I'd guess you'll crack 2. LSRs are way different than race. And even if you don't crack 2, you've made great progress building up to doing that sort of distance(especially for not being a runner)
Great job man, rooting for you.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7865311 - 09/15/14 10:20 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
gamby
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 40865
Loc: RI
|
How did you feel this morning? Beaten up?
_________________________
___________________________________ gamby still have an EM1--go figure
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7865350 - 09/15/14 10:35 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: gamby]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
Good job man!
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7866054 - 09/15/14 02:14 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Euphoricuck
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 11/05/03
Posts: 92703
Loc: Canadistan
|
Looks like ill make it, still have a shot at sub 2hr I guess but I'm not so sure
dude you can do sub 2 hr
_________________________
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7866324 - 09/15/14 04:19 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Sir Ironpool
Sponsored by Toyota
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 71770
Loc: Long Beach, CA
|
Personally. I don't like pace groups. Your putting your race in somebody else's hands and they're notorious for doing a horrible job.
If I were you, And I really wanted that sub 2:00, then I'd set my watch to show average pace (not current) and not even look at it till it beeps at each mile (or half mile if it's capable of that). Know what your fail safe pace is, and don't go below that. Don't try to bank time, don't try to negative split. Focus on running an even, smart, and consistent race. Your first mile or three will be faster than intended, and it will feel really easy, but don't fall for thinking that will last. Ease back to that pace you decided on, focus on your form, breathing and not getting tripped up by other runners.
Congrats on a successful long run! That will be a confidence booster come race day.
_________________________
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7866550 - 09/15/14 05:53 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
Chris's advice is spot on, even pace is considered more efficient than varying.
Hell, just time yourself, IIRC every effing mile is marked. I've never had GPS on a race. Your effort is your best guide.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7866573 - 09/15/14 06:09 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: ]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
is it really a 'varying pace' to spot myself +21s the first mile for traffic/mob start and then the next 2 a +6s to 'settle in' followed by a dead-on goal pace the next 7-8 and a slight [-9s] negative split for the final 5k-ish?
what I'm reading suggests that is the PERFECT way to PR an ET
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7866637 - 09/15/14 06:52 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
I think you're overthinking it man. It's good to have a plan, but since this is your first half, I think you should just focus on running by feel and just using the watch/clock as a general guide. The crowd at the front isn't going to slow you down that much if you seed yourself appropriately. 13.1 is a great distance because it's short enough to run hard, but long enough that there is a risk of blowing up. It's all about settling into a pace you can maintain. If you feel like you have something left at 12, then throw in a surge in that last mile.
ALLL OF THIS!
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7867555 - 09/16/14 12:30 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
Tri training has certainly improved my overall fitness no doubt. But swimming isn't for everyone...
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7869678 - 09/17/14 03:19 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
volty
Post Master Jr
Registered: 10/13/02
Posts: 1661
Loc: New York
|
I think you're overthinking it man. It's good to have a plan, but since this is your first half, I think you should just focus on running by feel and just using the watch/clock as a general guide. The crowd at the front isn't going to slow you down that much if you seed yourself appropriately. 13.1 is a great distance because it's short enough to run hard, but long enough that there is a risk of blowing up. It's all about settling into a pace you can maintain. If you feel like you have something left at 12, then throw in a surge in that last mile.
I'm going to agree with all of this. I wish I had seen the thread sooner. I ran my first half last year with like no training. I think my 5k PR at that point was 24ish mins. Averaging maybe 10 miles a week, if that, for about 3 months before the run.
Just run with the people around you. Seed yourself HIGHER than you think you can do. Everyone else does it at these fucking things. At NYC this past spring I put down 1:45 (finished in 1:41) and I was passing motherfuckers for the first mile left and right. At RockAndRoll DC I put 2:00 (my first half) and people were walking after less than a mile.
Seed yourself higher, find what feels like a challenging pace, and let the others around you push you. You will run faster times each mile than you think you could. Drop the watch, focus on your breathing. If you feel like blowing up, make a bargain to try and push it to the next mile. If you make that next mile, you're fine.
I love 13.1 miles. By the end I feel exhausted... but my body isnt trashed.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7870002 - 09/17/14 08:26 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
Risky Business
Provides a Great Work Environment. he/him
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 44790
|
You have solid discipline and training consistency (aside from bike - who am I to talk to doe? ), you will rock it!
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7870124 - 09/17/14 11:29 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
gamby
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 40865
Loc: RI
|
How did you feel this morning? Beaten up? let's see , left calf doesnt seem to extend all the way right now, I cant really bring my left heel to the ground without a bit of discomfort my right foot, possibly as a consequence when I left UP hurts a bit my left hip/leg extender whatever its called [up near my waist] hurts a bit when I extend my leg/attempt to walk lol. Wow thats new. I felt it a bit on miles 10+ or so yesterday. basically I could whine some more but I think thats a good list I did not bike to work today but not because I didnt think I could do it but because I have to bounce between a ton of buildings and meet with people today. Am subtly limping unless I've been sitting for a while, then definintely limping. So in other words I think I'm functional heh. Will masters swim tonight but I'll probably cramp on the very first lap of the first kick set.
Ouch.
I feel longer runs (10k is "long" for me) in my hip flexors bigtime.
_________________________
___________________________________ gamby still have an EM1--go figure
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7870261 - 09/18/14 07:18 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: volty]
|
andy676
andy676
Unregistered
|
I think you're overthinking it man. It's good to have a plan, but since this is your first half, I think you should just focus on running by feel and just using the watch/clock as a general guide. The crowd at the front isn't going to slow you down that much if you seed yourself appropriately. 13.1 is a great distance because it's short enough to run hard, but long enough that there is a risk of blowing up. It's all about settling into a pace you can maintain. If you feel like you have something left at 12, then throw in a surge in that last mile. I'm going to agree with all of this. I wish I had seen the thread sooner. I ran my first half last year with like no training. I think my 5k PR at that point was 24ish mins. Averaging maybe 10 miles a week, if that, for about 3 months before the run. Just run with the people around you. Seed yourself HIGHER than you think you can do. Everyone else does it at these fucking things. At NYC this past spring I put down 1:45 (finished in 1:41) and I was passing motherfuckers for the first mile left and right. At RockAndRoll DC I put 2:00 (my first half) and people were walking after less than a mile. Seed yourself higher, find what feels like a challenging pace, and let the others around you push you. You will run faster times each mile than you think you could. Drop the watch, focus on your breathing. If you feel like blowing up, make a bargain to try and push it to the next mile. If you make that next mile, you're fine. I love 13.1 miles. By the end I feel exhausted... but my body isnt trashed.
all this!
a first half is a great thing, just don't over think it! enjoy the experience. just go out and run. when i ran my first half, i ran without ever training with gps, had no idea what my mile splits were, had no idea what i'd be running pace wise, i just ran by feel and it was a great experience.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7870718 - 09/18/14 11:18 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: ]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
I did the same. First half marathon, stropped to use the restroom trice and ran my last 1.5 miles all-out. Despite the variances it was an awesome experience.
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7878255 - 09/23/14 06:30 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
how is that different than what I posted? I said I'd use avg pace. Oh I get it, I typed a couple addtional words after that.
ib4 still doing it wrong
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7878313 - 09/23/14 06:58 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
|
stickaz_old
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 56459
Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
|
I was saying that as something I didn't want to do
I tried 'current lap' which just shows the current lap [I pick 1.0 mile/laps], and I don't think that is terribly useful. Toggling back to the main screen for overall ET/pace and then back during the run doesnt sound like a good idea either \:D
I get it doe, skinny fat
_________________________
Swim->Bike->Cry "I can see that nurses head bobbing around going "I AINT CANCELIN MUH PLANS, FUCK A CDC. WHO DEY ANYWAY NAH MEEN? IMA GO SEE MUH BOO" -johnso
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7896717 - 10/04/14 10:11 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Cheesegoggles]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
Doooo eeet!
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7897311 - 10/05/14 04:33 PM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: Sir Ironpool]
|
dirtyS13drifta
dirtyS13drifta
Unregistered
|
Excellent job man.
When's your next one? You'll crack 2 just having done one for real now.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7897855 - 10/06/14 12:00 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: stickaz_old]
|
gamby
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 40865
Loc: RI
|
God DAMN!!! Good job!!!
_________________________
___________________________________ gamby still have an EM1--go figure
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#7897857 - 10/06/14 12:03 AM
Re: advice sought re: 1/2 marathon [flat] in ~4 months
[Re: gamby]
|
Design
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 11402
Loc: The OC
|
Well done!!!
_________________________
09 CWP MS3 01 Echo 5MT 00 EBP Si - Sold - Pics89 Camaro - Sold CSI. What's your diversion?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
Moderator: Silock, Professor Paki
|
|