#7564168 - 02/20/14 07:27 AM
Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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furball
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Other than YeSir from the OT thread ... anyone else?
I installed it this past wkend, and lo and behold, ran into some minor issues. Nothing cray, but it was annoying.
Somehow got a chip in the dial ring Oh no it's not usable now!
Instructions skip the fact you gotta dig your finger into the back of the unit to get the wire plate out... My buddies who were helping me stopped when they couldn't figure it out, knowing I'll go all out WW3 if they fucked it up.
After that, ran into the 'common wire' issue ...
The nest requires a constant voltage wire, aka 'common C wire' ... My new home only has 4 wires, and for now, only heat/fan works... When I install AC, I'll need a new wire installed.
Now, there's Venstar's Add-A-Wire kit, which seems to work, and is easy to install... (so easy, seems even I can install it.)
Nest Tech Support is fucking AWESOME. I called late at like 9pm EST Sunday, and they had 2 guys helping me...
And... They said Nest would reimburse me the cost of having an HVAC guy install the 5th wire... (Guy said it'd cost $100-500 )
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#7564261 - 02/20/14 08:31 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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#7564649 - 02/20/14 11:34 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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hyper-s2k
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Just curious what is everyone's monthly heating bill? (I use BBP) Maybe posting the volume of gas used makes more sense.
Not counting the water heater rental and home heating protection plan (if applicable).
One thing I notice in the breakdown is the actual cost and amount used is less than 1/2 of the total bill (heating portion). It's the other BS charges that rack things up - eg. delivery charge, supplier charge.
So going through all that trouble may not save you much anyway. (we do use a programmable thermostat and bring down the ac / heat when no one is home).
Edited by hyper-s2k (02/20/14 11:58 AM) Edit Reason: Revised question
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#7564666 - 02/20/14 11:43 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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LNXGUY
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People want them because they look cool, not because they save money.. Let's be realistic..
You wanna save money? Turn down the fucking temperature and put a sweater on, lol.
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#7564826 - 02/20/14 12:36 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Screamin Type ARGH!
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it's ok. honestly you'll get more value/savings out of a new high-eff furnace (and half decent programmable thermostat)...than you will from just changing to a nest. i have net access from anywhere to my peaksaver unit. nest is cool tho. Screw that peak saver nonsense. I don't want the utility turning down my AC temp in the summer when its 36 degrees outside and busineses are running AC with doors wide open. Oh, I also won't run nest now that Google has bought them. Too much information concentrated in one place. Call me paranoid, but I'm also the guy who doesn't have a facebook account
lol peaksaver doesnt work 'just like that'
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#7564832 - 02/20/14 12:38 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Well, my house is currently at 15.5C ... 18-19C when I'm home, but it's starting to be un-fucking-bearable... 21C I think is the sweet spot when I'm home, 17 away.
15.5...that's cold y0.
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#7564871 - 02/20/14 12:50 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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furball
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No one's home but my sexy hardwood floors and my cigars in my humidor...
It's set to be minimum 16C, but Nest has a threshold...
Well, my house is currently at 15.5C ... 18-19C when I'm home, but it's starting to be un-fucking-bearable... 21C I think is the sweet spot when I'm home, 17 away. 15.5...that's cold y0.
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#7564887 - 02/20/14 12:58 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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You moved in already? Why you no invite csi for house warming?
So how do you like it man, what you doing all alone in a big house like that?
When will I see you at Foodymart/Sunny or you a garden basket type of baller like my wife.
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#7565345 - 02/20/14 03:02 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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LNXGUY
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^^ It did last summer for my neighbours when the utility raised the temp on the thermostat on one of the hottest days of the year. So much for that bullshit of saving energy, but they won't tackle the biggest consumers (businesses).
Read the fine print, they can fuck with anything the meter is plugged into. No thanks!
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#7566530 - 02/21/14 07:15 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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furball
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I'll double-triple check this wkend. I followed the 4 wires (in a sleeve) down into the furnace connectors, and it sure looked like 4.
From what I can tell, the 'Add-A-Wire' wizardry seems to work, although you 'may' get an E26 error or something on the Nest...
Are you sure you only have 4 wires? <SNIP> The tstat wire is terminated in there, verify it's actually just 4 wires.
You moved in already? Why you no invite csi for house warming?
So how do you like it man, what you doing all alone in a big house like that?
When will I see you at Foodymart/Sunny or you a garden basket type of baller like my wife. It's a big ass house, and the amount of shit/knick knacks that one accumulates over the years is insane, as is the little knick knack shit you buy/need when you move into a new home (more garbage cans, fucking clear garbage bags, etc.)
Home is fucking freezing - I immediately ripped out all the carpet and had hardwood installed on days 1, 2 of home ownership. The carpet does indeed 'feel' warmer, but I'm accustomed to hardwood. Will need to install a humidifier when I install AC in a couple mths ...
My fridge has 1 RedBull, bunch of beer, and coke
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#7567849 - 02/21/14 05:03 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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I'll double-triple check this wkend. I followed the 4 wires (in a sleeve) down into the furnace connectors, and it sure looked like 4. From what I can tell, the 'Add-A-Wire' wizardry seems to work, although you 'may' get an E26 error or something on the Nest... Are you sure you only have 4 wires? <SNIP> The tstat wire is terminated in there, verify it's actually just 4 wires. You moved in already? Why you no invite csi for house warming?
So how do you like it man, what you doing all alone in a big house like that?
When will I see you at Foodymart/Sunny or you a garden basket type of baller like my wife. It's a big ass house, and the amount of shit/knick knacks that one accumulates over the years is insane, as is the little knick knack shit you buy/need when you move into a new home (more garbage cans, fucking clear garbage bags, etc.) Home is fucking freezing - I immediately ripped out all the carpet and had hardwood installed on days 1, 2 of home ownership. The carpet does indeed 'feel' warmer, but I'm accustomed to hardwood. Will need to install a humidifier when I install AC in a couple mths ... My fridge has 1 RedBull, bunch of beer, and coke
Where abouts did you buy, near Mt. joy? Pm me if you want, your call, i will find your EL one day anyway so I recommend sharing so you don't find me waiting for you in your garage with a crow bar.
Congrats, first few months of home ownership were stressful...no money, hanging in there by a string (financially) and A LOT of fucking expenses.
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#7567852 - 02/21/14 05:04 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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loudsubz
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I'll double-triple check this wkend. I followed the 4 wires (in a sleeve) down into the furnace connectors, and it sure looked like 4. From what I can tell, the 'Add-A-Wire' wizardry seems to work, although you 'may' get an E26 error or something on the Nest... Are you sure you only have 4 wires? <SNIP> The tstat wire is terminated in there, verify it's actually just 4 wires. You moved in already? Why you no invite csi for house warming?
So how do you like it man, what you doing all alone in a big house like that?
When will I see you at Foodymart/Sunny or you a garden basket type of baller like my wife. It's a big ass house, and the amount of shit/knick knacks that one accumulates over the years is insane, as is the little knick knack shit you buy/need when you move into a new home (more garbage cans, fucking clear garbage bags, etc.) Home is fucking freezing - I immediately ripped out all the carpet and had hardwood installed on days 1, 2 of home ownership. The carpet does indeed 'feel' warmer, but I'm accustomed to hardwood. Will need to install a humidifier when I install AC in a couple mths ... My fridge has 1 RedBull, bunch of beer, and coke Where abouts did you buy, near Mt. joy? Pm me if you want, your call, i will find you EL one day anyway so I recommend sharing so you don't find me waiting for you in your garage with a crow bar. Congrats, first few months of home ownership were stressful...no money, hanging in there by a string (financially) and A LOT of fucking expenses.
buy low, no problems
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#7567973 - 02/21/14 06:28 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Euphoricuck
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Congrats, first few years of home ownership were stressful...no money, hanging in there by a string (financially) and A LOT of fucking expenses.
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#7567995 - 02/21/14 06:43 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Congrats, first few years of home ownership were stressful...no money, hanging in there by a string (financially) and A LOT of fucking expenses.
thank you for correcting and adjusting for truth.
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#7568054 - 02/21/14 07:30 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Congrats, first few years of home ownership were stressful...no money, hanging in there by a string (financially) and A LOT of fucking expenses.
thank you for correcting and adjusting for truth.
That's probably true if you buy an old fixer upper like me...can't see expenses creeping up if you buy a new house where nothing needs to be done.
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#7568121 - 02/21/14 08:06 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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LNXGUY
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Buy within your means, and you won't be eating ramen every night.
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#7568326 - 02/21/14 10:30 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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LNXGUY
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Who the hell can buy within their means these days? Even a few yrs ago?
Everyone else in this province not living in the GTA
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#7568426 - 02/21/14 11:23 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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LNXGUY
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Barrie still falls under retarded pricing. :p
You can't afford to live in Barrie? Shit man, it's not that expensive.
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#7568622 - 02/22/14 09:42 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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civic13
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Was thinking of getting a Honeywell Tstat and my current wire config doesn't have a c-wire. But Honeywell says the g-wire can be used as a sub. Is this the same issue as Nest's? http://youtu.be/jniws7wqeY4
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#7568655 - 02/22/14 10:16 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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Euphoricuck
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Barrie still falls under retarded pricing. :p You can't afford to live in Barrie? Shit man, it's not that expensive. prices have seen similar retarded increases
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#7568668 - 02/22/14 10:23 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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loudsubz
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Barrie still falls under retarded pricing. :p You can't afford to live in Barrie? Shit man, it's not that expensive. prices have seen similar retarded increases
I understand prices have rocketed, but there are many affordable places still available, maybe not in the most desirable locations but not in tim buck too
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#7568688 - 02/22/14 10:36 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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#7576976 - 02/26/14 07:00 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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robbbby
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work?
It's a super easy fix, swap G to C on both the furnace board and thermostat.
please paypal me my standard fee of $95/hour.
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#7577128 - 02/26/14 07:55 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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loudsubz
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work?
how far is your tstat from the furnace?
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#7577136 - 02/26/14 07:59 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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civic13
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work? how far is your tstat from the furnace? It's almost right above it.
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#7577143 - 02/26/14 08:01 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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civic13
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work? It's a super easy fix, swap G to C on both the furnace board and thermostat. please paypal me my standard fee of $95/hour. That's what I mentioned before in my post above with the link to a YouTube vid. Is the only issue not being able to manually control the fan? Anything else?
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#7577172 - 02/26/14 08:13 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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loudsubz
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work? how far is your tstat from the furnace? It's almost right above it.
if you can see the existing tstat wire going through the floor up the wall from the furnace room you can just re pull a new one, super easy. Should cost like $10 in wire max
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#7577250 - 02/26/14 08:41 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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robbbby
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do you want to lose control of your ability to run the fan manually?
all they are doing is swapping wires because they need a common wire for proper current consumption that the wifi draws from the board. since it only had 4 wires they can't lose control of the fan so that jumper tricks the fan to come on when heating/cooling is called for.
I would rather just run a new wire for common to the board and still have control. if your basement isn't finished it would be a good idea. Thanks. I really have no need to run the fan manually. My basement is finished but where the furnace is it's not so I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to run the extra wire. Do you do this kinda thing for work? It's a super easy fix, swap G to C on both the furnace board and thermostat. please paypal me my standard fee of $95/hour. That's what I mentioned before in my post above with the link to a YouTube vid. Is the only issue not being able to manually control the fan? Anything else?
just no manual fan control like loudsubz mentioned.
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#9256696 - 02/17/18 09:29 AM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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RobJohn
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There are other options than installing the wire. In fact, if your thermostat does not have a common wire (C-Wire) you have the following alternatives:
- The Venstar Add-a-Wire Adapter - Stealing Power - The Fan Wire Hack - External Transformer Method
And of course, you can run a new wire or hire an HVAC professional. You can read more about the before mentioned methods here: https://roboauthority.com/guides/thermostat-c-wire/
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#9257718 - 02/19/18 01:15 PM
Re: Anyone here Nest? vCommonWire
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I banned him
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