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#7257864 - 08/28/13 07:10 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: A_Mantis]
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Lost some torque, but gained power and range. Power is almost the same. The dynos are xe282hr, cats, edelbrock manifold vs fti cam, no cats, tfs-r manifold.
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#7257867 - 08/28/13 07:14 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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So 332 is to the wheels?
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#7257879 - 08/28/13 07:24 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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yep
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#7257943 - 08/28/13 08:01 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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If Hustler's sims are flywheel then you're right on the money. The thing should be a beast on a road course and the street, what's the weight 2800?
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#7257956 - 08/28/13 08:14 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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3360 lbs with full tank. I'm picking it up tomorrow
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#7257997 - 08/28/13 08:40 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Good luck, this project has been a saga!
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#7258791 - 08/29/13 10:12 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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Wow the sim was actually really close on the HP. Yes Scott those are flywheel. So if you multiple 15% drivetrain loss 394*.15=59.1 (HP loss through T5 drivetrain) 394-59.1 = 334.9rwhp So it was basically 2HP off compared to the 332.7. Torque was off, but could be related to what I had for input on exhaust. I had the stock exhaust but just increased the cfm. I haven't dyno'd either of my engines so think I will put mine in and see what it churns out.

Yeah it was a hell of a ride following this build. Hope everything is sorted out now and and you get to drive it. Just for shits I ran the sim with long tube headers, 414 fly which equates to 352 wheel, so you are right where you should be.
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#7258839 - 08/29/13 10:40 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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Would I lose bottom end torque?
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#7259039 - 08/29/13 12:11 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Below 3000 a little, then you gain it back from 4000+, the average tq is the same between the two @ 362 and average hp goes to 277 from 273. Not trying to push you into the longtubes, more of a help to theorize the magical 350whp you were shooting for. I don't think its surprising you lost peak torque going from the edel rpm with cats to the TFS-R intake. The changes make sense. I also popped in the older AFR 205 and 225 Heads as well as a Vic Jr. and your Revised AFR 185's came out the best.
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#7259055 - 08/29/13 12:19 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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So, what would the Edelbrock intake be like with the new cam?
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#7259521 - 08/29/13 03:20 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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you'll have to get me some width/height's of the ports on the lower to help calculate average diameter of the runner as well as runner length. I found some individual flow numbers for a stock RPM1 from Tmoss, but need more info.

http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-5-8-...tion-363-a.html
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#7259818 - 08/29/13 07:02 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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One of my Mustang mags did a top end job on a 5L, cylinder head, intake and cam and got 305hp this month and were pretty happy with the results.

My 230whp 3100lb PT Cruiser is a hoot, a 100 extra ache pees would cause some serious tire wear. \:\)
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#7259897 - 08/29/13 08:13 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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Just picked the car up from the shop. Drives extremely well. It actually feels like there is power everywhere, from 1500 to 6500. Really like how it came out,pulls really well, but the power is also super smooth, so you don't feel how fast you are going. Sounds awesome at 6500 lol. I feel like the tuner actually spent a lot of time tuning driveability, because it drives splendid. I could almost drive it every day. throttle is very quick, super responsive. First gearb is nothing but spin lol
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#7259946 - 08/29/13 08:41 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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\:\) so glad to hear it's finally perfect
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#7259996 - 08/29/13 09:09 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: madmatt]
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AWESOME!!

So now some in car video
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#7260071 - 08/29/13 10:24 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: AMG SiR]
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Yep, time for vids.
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#7260147 - 08/29/13 11:53 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: Impulsive]
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All I've got for time being. Idle, that's fairly smooth for how aggressive the camshaft is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hagzhql1X0o

and some picture of the car upon it's return.



It does not show up on the pictures, but the car is filthy. I'm getting it fully detailed next weekend.
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#7260251 - 08/30/13 07:15 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Sounds really great...glad to read that it drives as well as it does too...that, in my mind, is the advantage of strokers on the street.
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#7266509 - 09/03/13 06:59 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Lookin' good. Now you have me trolling CL for 96-98 SVT Cobras for sale.
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#7266541 - 09/03/13 07:21 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: A_Mantis]
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lol, good cars actually. Really like the engine in those. Not so much working on one, due to space constraints.
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#7270402 - 09/05/13 02:07 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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So how does it run, likes dislikes?
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#7270738 - 09/05/13 03:56 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: hustler]
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I haven't had a chance to drive it since I took it back. It's sitting in my parents' garage. One of my buddies is supposed to take care of a whole list of things, once he's done with it, then it should be ready for a nice little shakedown. When I did drive it though, I really liked how it drove.
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#7310768 - 09/28/13 12:32 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Slightly off topic, but how's your TSX been treating you? \:D Any mods? I'm throwing around the idea of picking up a 1st-gen TSX for a dd.
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#7311214 - 09/28/13 10:19 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: A_Mantis]
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It's been pretty reliable. I did have to catch up on some shit when I first bought it, such as motor mounts and warped brakes. Other than that, I absolutely love it. It's quiet, good on gas, super smooth, and is actually a really well balanced chassis. I take canyons to work, so it's fairly fun, steering is awesome. Since I bought it I've clocked almost 20k miles, and it's been a pleasure. Here is a google doc of every dollar I've spent on it since I bought it, minus gas obviously.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai7nWE7fkq1BdHRxNUo2YXUzejQ0NEZKV1RjZXVfaWc&usp=sharing
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#7542715 - 02/07/14 05:02 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Another update. At the last track day, the car ran like total ass. I barely got it back home, which really pissed me off. So I put the car into another shop, told them to figure out it. The shop owner Eddie from Addiction Motorsports, struck me as someone who knew what he was doing, when working on my car previously. He got to the bottom of the issue. The fuel pressure regulator was leaking gas into the intake manifold. We changed the fuel pressure regulator, retuned the car, and the result was a very surprising 360rwhp and 366rwtq, on a DynoJet. I am pretty happy with the result to say the least, the point that my car will drive well now, well... that's the main point here really. Can't wait to come and pick it up.
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#7542723 - 02/07/14 05:09 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Up until this point, the motor swap had to feel like the worst decision ever though. I bet you spent a shitload on it, and ultimately dealt with SO much frustration during the process.

I bet the car feels great with 36x/36x tho
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#7542954 - 02/07/14 07:17 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: GB]
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Nice! A work buddy recently went through this after a cam install. The one shop could just not get it right. Took it to a different place an within 30 seconds it was running better. A few hours later it was all good.
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#7543168 - 02/08/14 12:07 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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You guys should see the torque curve. Super flat. Makes over 300whq from 2500 to 6200.
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#7543244 - 02/08/14 04:53 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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#7543818 - 02/08/14 05:00 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: scootergeek]
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#7548135 - 02/11/14 11:33 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Very nice dude. Hoping you stick to one tool or another (preferably the Dynapack) so we can see your continued progress.

Oh and just as a reminder, Dynapacks never measure true WHP due to the absence of rotational mass.
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#7548723 - 02/11/14 03:41 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: Design]
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Yeah, I figured that the DynoJet results were in order, since they are pretty much reading the same everywhere you go. As far as continued progress goes though, I'm not sure where else to get power from on this car. Virtually everything has been modified, the only thing that's semi affordable at this point will probably be getting a nice set of longtubes or at least shorties with larger primaries.
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#7549388 - 02/11/14 10:05 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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Wow, beautiful curve!
300NAftlb at any rpm must be a hoot in that stang.

Congrats man, now put on the rpf1s and get out there to give her a good workout (preferably with HD Video)
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#7550008 - 02/12/14 11:07 AM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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I'm going to a small autoX event this weekend, mainly to play around with adjustable rear bar (new piece), try to dial out some understeer. If I have a chance, I'll borrow my friend's GoPro. This won't be on the RPF1s, because the surface is like a cheese grater, and I don't want to waste NT-01s on this, so I'll be rolling on street tire. The way I see it, balance is balance, no matter what tire you are on.
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#7550423 - 02/12/14 01:09 PM Re: So, I'm finally building an engine... [Re: ReplicaR]
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I'm just glad it's running strong and putting up numbers in the area it should.
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