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#6077661 - 01/20/12 11:06 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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Good to see things moving along. Question about your budget, those x's in your build tally are zero-cost, or unknown? Good luck with the charge piping, sounds like you've got some fun times ahead...
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#6078400 - 01/21/12 11:34 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: theLoon]
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X's started as things I hadn't purchased yet. Now the X's are things I've purchased, but don't want to add the prices up because I'm depressed that it's cost as much as it has. I'll update it now.

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#6078547 - 01/21/12 01:18 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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That depression lifts very quickly once you take it out the first time. Like I said, we set budgets to smash them, it's just our nature. If we stuck to our budget, we probably wouldn't be modding cars \:\)
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#6078554 - 01/21/12 01:20 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: denmah]
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You wanted to stay at or under 1500 right? You aren't that far off at this point. I say good show sir!
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#6079008 - 01/21/12 06:56 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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Thanks dude. We finally got some snow this morning so I was excited to go play. Woke up and saw snow on the sky light, threw on some sweat pants and had some fun playing in some empty parking lots. Then I took the family sledding, had school work to do, and class (grad school). Needless to say nothing is getting done this weekend. Hopefully I'll have time this week but things are pretty hectic right now. I'm so close at this point, but need a couple days off to take care of more important things.




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#6079138 - 01/21/12 07:54 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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how fast am I going? who cares, the boost and AFR's look good!
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#6079238 - 01/21/12 08:50 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: aerosaaber]
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LOL. I can see the speedo just fine. My eyeballs are quite a bit higher than the camera angle in the picture.
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#6080620 - 01/22/12 07:14 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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If you were really that low in the seat you never would have survived your first week of driving in NJ. (without 8-10 phone books underneath your ass)
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#6172961 - 02/29/12 08:06 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: aerosaaber]
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It's been a while since we've had an update. What's going on with this project?
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#6191472 - 03/07/12 12:45 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: SEANSE-R]
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I just finished school (master's program) so I finally had some free time to work on the truck again. Today I mounted the turbo, hooked up the wide band, and wired the lights for the boost gauge. My phone battery died this morning while I was working on it, so no pics right now. I'm just taking a little break for lunch and to charge my phone. I'll go down and get vids and pics in an hour or two.

Last thing to be done is to run charge piping, and install colder plugs.


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#6191515 - 03/07/12 12:57 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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Congrats on finishing school! \:\)
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#6191566 - 03/07/12 01:09 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: FCobra94]
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Thanks. Now the job hunt begins (career change).
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#6191667 - 03/07/12 01:50 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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Just curious, but what field are you in? [/derailment]
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#6191763 - 03/07/12 02:35 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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What an awesome thread / project this has turned out to be. I am waiting with baited breath on the finished pics / vids (hopefully?) and results. Bravo good sir!
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#6192114 - 03/07/12 04:48 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: FCobra94]
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 Originally Posted By: FCobra94
Just curious, but what field are you in? [/derailment]

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#6192153 - 03/07/12 05:05 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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I still need to get real hangers made. I'm using some very sturdy bailing wire to help support the weight of the turbo and it's fine for now.

I also need to get a v band down pipe made. I'll leave it open for now.

I was so nervous when I started it up. Is the oil scavenging system going to work? Is the used turbo going to puke oil out of it's seals? Am I going to burn this thing down driving down the street?

The first thing I did was to make sure the scavenge system worked. I put the oil return in a bucket to get out any nasty particulates sitting in the turbo/oil lines and let it discharge a little. Worked just fine.

Meanwhile, I was looking over my fittings for oil leaks. No problems until...

I saw some gross looking oil dripping from the turbo. I figured the oil was just collecting until the scavenge pump was able to build pressure to return it. I let it run for a little and then took it for a quick drive. No smoke from the turbo, and no leaks when I got back. I let the scavenge pump run with the truck's motor off for a couple of minutes so that oil wouldn't pool in the turbo.

I am very happy so far. I'm surprised at the sound of the turbo. It has such a weird pitch compared to my 1.8T and 4G63. Of course much of this is because there is no exhaust and the turbo is much larger, but I still find the scream of the turbo to sound odd.

Vid of the first test drive:

http://youtu.be/sBN3tqT8jXM

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#6192911 - 03/07/12 11:54 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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Good show sir! Charge piping not connected yet? I would think it would sound weird until there's actually some load on the compressor.
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#6193044 - 03/08/12 06:54 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: cacasesi]
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Is it good to drive around with an open cold side? I guess it wouldn't matter since you've got a filter on the intake LOL. How odd its just pumping air into the atmosphere LOL.
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#6194048 - 03/08/12 01:18 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: gb]
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I don't think it hurts anything to drive with the cold side open. I don't have the time, patience, or money to have everything bolted up at once, so it's a work in progress. I'm hoping to finish everything by this weekend. Anyhow, I needed to make sure the used turbo was in okay shape before I finished up, hence getting it mounted and driven before the charge piping is complete.

I planned to work on it today, but my wife is not feeling well so I'm taking care of the little one.

Edit: The turbo no longer leaks oil on the hotside, but I noticed some oil being discharged out of the cold side outlet. There is no shaft play at all and the turbo sounds healthy. Could it most likely be residual oil from the initial start up that accumulated in the hot side or do you think the seals are blown?


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#6194606 - 03/08/12 04:13 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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looks like your center section needs to be rotated a bit. i think theres a spec on the º of variation but the turbo utilizes gravity in there and should have the feed higher than the drain.

Sounds like its spoolin pretty good!

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#6194895 - 03/08/12 05:59 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Interesting hadn't thought of that. Could it also be the lack of a restrictor in the supply? Everything I've read showed that the 4runner oil supply wouldn't be too high of pressure.
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#6195410 - 03/08/12 10:25 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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I run no restrictor to my hx35, but use a -3an line which ive heard helps.
I'd look into spinning that center section before you drive it much more.

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#6196001 - 03/09/12 09:53 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Holset's instructions say not to try to rotate the housings. They also say the oil return should be no less than 30 degrees from horizontal so you may be right. What size is your return line?
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#6197432 - 03/09/12 05:15 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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*edit*

nevermind... I'm retarded. it's dumping to atmosphere, and is plumbed way-ahead of the turbo.


...as you were.


Edited by 854t5r (03/09/12 05:17 PM)
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#6198374 - 03/10/12 06:38 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: 854t5r]
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Just waiting for couplers and tbolt clamps. Piping just about done and easier than expected.
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#6199132 - 03/10/12 04:55 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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 Originally Posted By: Slow Runner
Holset's instructions say not to try to rotate the housings. They also say the oil return should be no less than 30 degrees from horizontal so you may be right. What size is your return line?

i run a -10 gravity feed back to the pan. no pump.

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#6205442 - 03/13/12 02:24 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Turbo is off. Gonna need a replacement. Clamped on a muffler in the mean time. I don't know if the seals were already blown, or I caused it. That's one of the things you deal with when using used parts. Gonna try my luck with a turbo from VS Racing most likely a TO4E.
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#6205579 - 03/13/12 03:12 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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have you looked into a rebuild? the nice thing about journal bearing Holsets is that rebuild kits with fresh seals are usually easily attained and done!
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#6205639 - 03/13/12 03:43 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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the 'seal' definitely blew because of the angle of the cartridge.
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#6206281 - 03/13/12 08:34 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: No Runners]
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Well that sucks. Not to Monday-morning-QB this thing, but... you may not want to run the next turbo with no load on the compressor side again. It's entirely possible (in my mind at least) that you could have overspun the turbo. Combine the potentially high turbo RPM with the oil line plumbing and angle of install, and it's probably a formula for wiped turbo bearings.

Keep the thread updated. It's a fun project.

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#6206584 - 03/13/12 11:06 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: cacasesi]
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Haven't checked in on this thread in a while, a lot's happened! Good show man, way to git'r done. Sorry to hear about the turbo, but I imagine you'll have her fixed in no time.
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#6207117 - 03/14/12 09:10 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Well that sucks. Not to Monday-morning-QB this thing, but... you may not want to run the next turbo with no load on the compressor side again. It's entirely possible (in my mind at least) that you could have overspun the turbo. Combine the potentially high turbo RPM with the oil line plumbing and angle of install, and it's probably a formula for wiped turbo bearings.

Keep the thread updated. It's a fun project.


overspinning happens when you go from positive pressure to 0 (blowing off a charge pipe). driving with charge piping unhooked is fine as long as there is no boost being created.
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#6209319 - 03/14/12 10:00 PM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: kyden]
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Agreed. That's definitely the worst case scenario. But going WOT with no charge piping hooked up isn't good either. You're still going to spin the snot out of the thing with no control and no load against the compressor wheel.
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#6209745 - 03/15/12 12:39 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: cacasesi]
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A full holset rebuild comes in at less than $200 I think. I'd do that before chucking the turbo.
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#6210513 - 03/15/12 10:58 AM Re: Gauging interest: SVA want to help turbo the 4Runner? [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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 Originally Posted By: ElectronVTEC2
A full holset rebuild comes in at less than $200 I think. I'd do that before chucking the turbo.


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