i think his point is that it's ricer racing to compare a modded car to a stock one.

any number of swapped bubbles can walk a stock evo from a roll on race. but when it comes to anything from a dig, around a corner, or in less than ideal weather there's not a single person that wouldn't prefer a well sorted factor car to a project.

I have a project vvl that will easily outrun my evo but it sits on a trickle charger while the evo goes out 99% of the time.

I have pride in my project but it has it's limitations

The only swapped normally aspirated bubbles that are respectably fast imo are the k20s when tuned and equipped with all the breathing mods. It's not to hard to get those to trap well over 110mph. That is moving...for a n/a car. For sure.

i think his point is that it's ricer racing to compare a modded car to a stock one.

any number of swapped bubbles can walk a stock evo from a roll on race. but when it comes to anything from a dig, around a corner, or in less than ideal weather there's not a single person that wouldn't prefer a well sorted factor car to a project.

I have a project vvl that will easily outrun my evo but it sits on a trickle charger while the evo goes out 99% of the time.

I have pride in my project but it has it's limitations

And to the "kick me to the liver" guy, have you measured up against a 350z hr or a 370z? You'd be hard pressed to beat those in my opinion and they are nothing special in a straight line by todays' standards.

I think we're all asking you that same question. Everybody in this forum has already been there, done that. We know what a k20 runs with bolt-ons. We know what swapped b18c5 hatches run. We know what other cars run similar E.T.'s & traps, so we know what's going to be a good run and what isn't.

I don't think a single one of these videos has surprised anybody.


The "my frankenstein 15 year-old car is just-as/almost-as-fast" for less money argument is pretty lame.

And once again, I didn't start the Turbo vs. NA argument, but I am gonna reply and post my thoughts when people compare a car that cost about 8K to buy and build against brand new cars that cost 30K+.

An Odyssey with a tune makes me giggle a little

MeH "fast" or not swapped Hatches are fun as hell to drive.

More real world results are in.
b18c5 hatch > 2.0t gti dsg aprstage1

Vids in the morning

Hard to believe, but not impossible. Without seeing the vid, I'd have to guess the GTI driver is letting the computer do the shifting, which isn't the fastest. You have to put it M mode and short shift it to get the most once it's tuned.

Either way, my car is still faster.

I can argue that the cars in my sig are better DD's since you don't have to beat the piss out of the thing to get it to actually get out of it's way.

ok its officially 1999 and you are on drugs.

d the blender may make peak torque at 7k rpm but its holding all the torque it does have across the entire rev band.

you can't argue that it's not "easier" in a car with torque in the lower rpms.

We just took a thread titled "04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5" 5 pages. what. the. fuck.