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#5810908 - 09/19/11 04:10 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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#5811047 - 09/19/11 05:20 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
My daily is fastAr and get better gas mileage then yours.

That Civic with the B18C5? Gas mileage? You're probably doing better than me. Faster? You're not even close.

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#5811075 - 09/19/11 05:35 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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lmao, you guys are funny...I do this for fun, if you honestly believe beating a 350Z is my highest priority then you're all nuts....I'm merely calling Clifford out because he posts like his shit don't stink and is condescending...beating someone in a race, really doesn't prove anything...at the end of the day if you like your car, that's all that matters. I'd say 75% of the shit I say on the forums is just to bait people into running, which obviously didn't work with CLiff b/c he's been around the block and knows the tactics
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#5811412 - 09/19/11 08:10 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
My daily is fastAr and get better gas mileage then yours.

That Civic with the B18C5? Gas mileage? You're probably doing better than me. Faster? You're not even close.


Yea
Sorry, did i miss your post with results post suppAr lightweight wheel moddz?

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#5811665 - 09/19/11 09:43 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ]
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How do you shut somebody up when they've already admitted their car is slower than yours?


LOL That's what I'm saying bro!
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#5811668 - 09/19/11 09:44 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
You challenge them to a race to prove they are right???



LOL, you guys are hilarious.
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#5811939 - 09/20/11 12:27 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Euphoricuck]
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#5812508 - 09/20/11 11:34 AM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
My daily is fastAr and get better gas mileage then yours.

That Civic with the B18C5? Gas mileage? You're probably doing better than me. Faster? You're not even close.


Yea
Sorry, did i miss your post with results post suppAr lightweight wheel moddz?

Turbo swap and bolt ons.

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#5812568 - 09/20/11 12:02 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
My daily is fastAr and get better gas mileage then yours.

That Civic with the B18C5? Gas mileage? You're probably doing better than me. Faster? You're not even close.


Yea
Sorry, did i miss your post with results post suppAr lightweight wheel moddz?

Turbo swap and bolt ons.

Results?

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#5812655 - 09/20/11 12:55 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Personal results? None. Getting to the track would require a big effort that I just haven't had the time/interest to make. In my last car (MR2 Turbo), I ran 13.1's @ 107 mph on street tires, and this car would eat its lunch, without a doubt.

For reference only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBXkGwXm7DI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwFFJS30Oy8

While this is obviously a well-driven shop car, personal users have put up similar times. Some have actually put up better times in street trim/fuel.

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#5812699 - 09/20/11 01:17 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Personal results? None. Getting to the track would require a big effort that I just haven't had the time/interest to make. In my last car (MR2 Turbo), I ran 13.1's @ 107 mph on street tires, and this car would eat its lunch, without a doubt.

For reference only:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBXkGwXm7DI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwFFJS30Oy8

While this is obviously a well-driven shop car, personal users have put up similar times. Some have actually put up better times in street trim/fuel.


Cool story bro
shop car on 'new radials and interior removal' with a 2.4 60'?

Im more interested in how your personal car reacts to the mods, as driven daily.
Be sure to update if you personally have anything to show.

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#5812761 - 09/20/11 01:41 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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First video is full interior, street tires, 93 octane. 60' was 2.19 with that setup, resulted in a 12.79 @ 112.65 mph. I don't know what video you're watching. Remaining videos show what the car does with some very basic weight reduction, fuel, and tires.

You're the cool guy who tried "calling me out" over the internet with your 14.2 second car. Sorry that didn't work out for you. You really need a faster car if you're going to attempt to talk shit to turbo cars randomly. Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.

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#5812767 - 09/20/11 01:43 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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Wow, when did the circus get to town, I didn't see any trucks? Seriously, it doesn't take "personal results" to know that a GTi modded to that extent will have no problem running in the 110+ range which is a far cry from 14.2@97, even if it was a "slow night" you're not going to find more than 1-2 MPH on a "fast night."

Let's face it, time has passed the N/A honda world by in a big way. Most performance compacts can do 14.2@97 or much better with a factory warranty nowadays. Turbo and DI or diesel is the way things are going. It's cute that people still swap hatches and such though, great for the nostalgia factor I guess. Sucks I won't get my MS3 out to the track at all, waiting on a fuel pump and don't want to risk anything, but I'm fairly certain it's got at least 102 MPH in it. Regardless, if I want to go fast, I get in the DSM.

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#5812770 - 09/20/11 01:45 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
First video is full interior, street tires, 93 octane. 60' was 2.19 with that setup, resulted in a 12.79 @ 112.65 mph. I don't know what video you're watching. Remaining videos show what the car does with some very basic weight reduction, fuel, and tires.

You're the cool guy who tried "calling me out" over the internet with your 14.2 second car. Sorry that didn't work out for you. You really need a faster car if you're going to attempt to talk shit to turbo cars randomly. Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


Lemme know how you make out getting that 300+ftlb fwd pig out of the hole. till then, cling tightly to what 'others' have accomplished.

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#5812775 - 09/20/11 01:46 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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Wow, when did the circus get to town, I didn't see any trucks? Seriously, it doesn't take "personal results" to know that a GTi modded to that extent will have no problem running in the 110+ range which is a far cry from 14.2@97, even if it was a "slow night" you're not going to find more than 1-2 MPH on a "fast night."

Let's face it, time has passed the N/A honda world by in a big way. Most performance compacts can do 14.2@97 or much better with a factory warranty nowadays. Turbo and DI or diesel is the way things are going. It's cute that people still swap hatches and such though, great for the nostalgia factor I guess. Sucks I won't get my MS3 out to the track at all, waiting on a fuel pump and don't want to risk anything, but I'm fairly certain it's got at least 102 MPH in it. Regardless, if I want to go fast, I get in the DSM.

Todd


Your the third person ive heard with a ms3 and fuel pump excuse. TWO locally.

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#5812814 - 09/20/11 02:04 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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It's not an excuse, it's well-documented that above 18 psi, the stock pump can't support > 1600 psi. Once you start dipping below 1600 psi, you're playing with fire. My pump is paid for and shipped, I'm hoping to have it today as a matter of fact, but I doubt i'll have it installed this weekend, and certainly not before Friday for Test N Tune. If you want another excuse, I can't go to the track to race this Friday because it's my 5 year anniversary - so have at it.

Lastly, and let's get something straight here - both Cliff and I have been around this forum for about 10 years and have seen jackoffs like you come and go. You're literally calling people out FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY about their cars. Go pound sand, no one gives a shit what your little tin can ITR hatch does here, that thing couldn't outrun most factory sedans these days, let alone actual performance cars. Besides, I've done what you've done already, albeit to an EM1. I got wise to the fact that I was pissing away money and stuck a turbo on the thing and made *actual* horsepower. Even still, that turbo ITR Si was slow by today's standards.

In closing, I'm not sure what you're so overly proud of here, or what you're hoping to accomplish. I'm 99% certain my DD would walk away from your hatch even on half a fuel pump and 17 psi and I know for damn sure my *actual* fast car would chew it up and spit it out, if you could ever catch up.

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#5812824 - 09/20/11 02:07 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.
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#5812835 - 09/20/11 02:12 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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 Originally Posted By: ElectronVTEC2
Seriously, it doesn't take "personal results" to know that a GTi modded to that extent will have no problem running in the 110+ range which is a far cry from 14.2@97, even if it was a "slow night" you're not going to find more than 1-2 MPH on a "fast night."

Let's face it, time has passed the N/A honda world by in a big way. Most performance compacts can do 14.2@97 or much better with a factory warranty nowadays. Turbo and DI or diesel is the way things are going. It's cute that people still swap hatches and such though, great for the nostalgia factor I guess.

No way bro! If you haven't hit up the track in your 911 Turbo, it's slower than his Civic because he's got a 14.2 slip!

A B18 swapped hatch was almost cool 10+ years ago. Now it's just a tremendous waste of money and effort. It can be sort of JDM retro-cool when done cleanly, but I wouldn't run around talking shit about how fast my car is when a Camry V6 is going to give it a serious run.

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#5812837 - 09/20/11 02:14 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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^Not by the one in that video, that's for sure. Yours is making some good power, and the power under the curve on a setup like you have is tough to beat without bolt-ons + tune.

With that said, off-the-shelf tunes, at least in the Mazda > Cobb AP world generally suck. I know my car is faster, smoother, and safer with my tweaks to the OTS tune than just using the standard OTS tune. Not that that changes anything, but it pays to know how to tune your car, I guess that's all I'm saying.
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#5812845 - 09/20/11 02:16 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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To clarify, the only data points I have so far for saying mine is "faster" with my tweaks is by measure the time in the log from, say 30-60 (no gear change really) from the OTS tune to "my" tune. And it's substantially faster.

On a side note, I doubt I will ever take my MS3 to the track, it's not a drag car and I really don't care what it runs. It gets me out of people's way and accelerates just dandy for me.

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#5812847 - 09/20/11 02:16 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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Lastly, and let's get something straight here - both Cliff and I have been around this forum for about 10 years and have seen jackoffs like you come and go.


So, what does that make you guys like 50 now?

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#5812853 - 09/20/11 02:17 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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No, I bought my Si when I was 19. I'll let you do the math.

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#5812856 - 09/20/11 02:18 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
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Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.

That Civic is walking tuned turbo cars? Where?

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#5812873 - 09/20/11 02:22 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.

That Civic is walking tuned turbo cars? Where?


I said NA Honda's...should I post the video of me putting buslengths on that APR GTI again?
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#5812875 - 09/20/11 02:22 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.

That Civic is walking tuned turbo cars? Where?


You must be another old folk having trouble comprehending interweb talk.
Im sure Liver was referring to his rsx.
If its the hatch you had in mind, it beat up on a bolton Genesis the other night if that counts?

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#5812877 - 09/20/11 02:23 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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^3rd gear VTEC, bra.

The funniest shit to me in this thread is that Casecase, Cliff, and I all owned and tuned and modded Hondas. It's not like we're just trolling from the local V8 board or something, we've *actually* already done most of this shit. I loved my Si in all it's phases - Jun3 B16, Jun3 B18C5 with Hondata, Turbo B18C5 with Hondata, etc... The most "fun" that car ever was was the first stage, Jun3 B16A. It was responsive, smooth, and just a blast to rev the piss out of. It wasn't fast though. In fact the car was never that fast, even turbocharged. 274 whp felt like too much power for that car, and it was. The MS3 isn't far off of that number but feels much more planted. And the DSM, forget about it, 274 whp is fail in those things.

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#5812882 - 09/20/11 02:25 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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And I said "that Civic".
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


That GTI is old and busted. Congratulations.

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#5812886 - 09/20/11 02:26 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: NVMYMPGZ]
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 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.

That Civic is walking tuned turbo cars? Where?


You must be another old folk having trouble comprehending interweb talk.
Im sure Liver was referring to his rsx.
If its the hatch you had in mind, it beat up on a bolton Genesis the other night if that counts?


Oh the ironing. Casecase said tuned turbo cars would walk that CIVIC. Get it, walk YOUR CIVIC. Didn't say "WALK NA HONDAS" did he? No, he specifically mentioned your Honda CIVIC. Then Liver came to your rescue, or something like that, and fucked everything up.

Lastly, Genesiseseses (how do you pluralize that?) can't really make great use of bolt-ons nor can they be tuned at this point. So, that's great that you beat up on a stock car that someone wasted money modding (at this point). Congrats...?

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#5812895 - 09/20/11 02:28 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: cacasesi]
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 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
And I said "that Civic".
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


That GTI is old and busted. Congratulations.


A 2010/2011 GTI w/ DSG trans is busted? Nah, just slow.
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#5812902 - 09/20/11 02:30 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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 Originally Posted By: NVMYMPGZ
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
 Originally Posted By: cacasesi
Any modern turbo car with a $500 tune is going to walk that Civic.


lol ya, that's what all the kids around here think too until they get walked by a NA Honda, hilarious.

That Civic is walking tuned turbo cars? Where?


You must be another old folk having trouble comprehending interweb talk.
Im sure Liver was referring to his rsx.
If its the hatch you had in mind, it beat up on a bolton Genesis the other night if that counts?


Oh the ironing. Casecase said tuned turbo cars would walk that CIVIC. Get it, walk YOUR CIVIC. Didn't say "WALK NA HONDAS" did he? No, he specifically mentioned your Honda CIVIC. Then Liver came to your rescue, or something like that, and fucked everything up.

Lastly, Genesiseseses (how do you pluralize that?) can't really make great use of bolt-ons nor can they be tuned at this point. So, that's great that you beat up on a stock car that someone wasted money modding (at this point). Congrats...?

Todd


Not here to rescue anyone, that comment was ignorant as fawk...simple as that.
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#5812908 - 09/20/11 02:33 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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No, it's not - you're reading far too much into it. A modern, tuned turbo car will easily - EASILY handle a 14.2@97 MPH Civic. That isn't anything special, I'm sorry. At no point did he or I say that said tuned turbo car could walk *any* NA Honda, just the one in the video. It's not really up for debate, 14.2@97 is a cripple fight, yet you'd think we were saying it would get beat by a PT Cruiser or something.

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#5812910 - 09/20/11 02:34 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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Only video I remember (because I'm old) is the 1.8T. Oh wait, no, I remember now. GTI was stock other than the reflash. I fully acknowledge YOUR car is a bit faster that a tune-only GTI. The swapped CIVIC... um, no.

Give the GTI bolt ons (intake, exhaust, and IC) and a matching tune (like your car has) and you'd side by side if not losing. That was always my opinion on that race.

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#5812925 - 09/20/11 02:42 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: ElectronVTEC2]
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 Originally Posted By: ElectronVTEC2
No, it's not - you're reading far too much into it. A modern, tuned turbo car will easily - EASILY handle a 14.2@97 MPH Civic. That isn't anything special, I'm sorry. At no point did he or I say that said tuned turbo car could walk *any* NA Honda, just the one in the video. It's not really up for debate, 14.2@97 is a cripple fight, yet you'd think we were saying it would get beat by a PT Cruiser or something.

Todd


What's your point, honestly? I could name a handfull of tuned turbo cars that are modern and would not beat this Civic...as slow as you guys say 14.2 @ 97 is there are cars slower, ie the GTI and Genesis are just two that come to mind right off the bat. Most modern turbo cars also cost 3x as much as it cost to build the Civic, so again...I don't see the point. Turbo/NA there's always someone faster.
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#5812937 - 09/20/11 02:49 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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i think his point is that it's ricer racing to compare a modded car to a stock one.

any number of swapped bubbles can walk a stock evo from a roll on race. but when it comes to anything from a dig, around a corner, or in less than ideal weather there's not a single person that wouldn't prefer a well sorted factor car to a project.

I have a project vvl that will easily outrun my evo but it sits on a trickle charger while the evo goes out 99% of the time.

I have pride in my project but it has it's limitations
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#5812940 - 09/20/11 02:50 PM Re: 04 RSX-S vs. EG Hatch w/ B18C5 [Re: Kick to ze liver]
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 Originally Posted By: Kick to ze liver
Not here to rescue anyone, that comment was ignorant as fawk...simple as that.

Is there a new, turbo four cylinder sport compact that doesn't go faster than 14.2 @ 97 with a reflash?

Edit: while I might have been bringing a gun to a knife fight, I don't really give a fuck. He's calling people out like his car is a fucking rocketship.


Edited by cacasesi (09/20/11 02:52 PM)

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