#8565290 - 02/24/16 11:14 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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stickaz_old
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Yea the bike speed is only going to accelerate so fast when you bump from 300w to 1200w in such a short distance, I am basically at the point where I challenge for a green jersey on these segments (have gotten a 2nd and a 3rd, this was like 14th out of 300 or so)
It did get up to 40 finally but with the game physics it's going to take your typical mechanics formula to accelerate my 84kg +bike + drag + wind resistance i guess, sounds about right to me
Eg calculate how long 1200w takes to accelerate a rider from 20 to 30 even--these segments are short. Of course in this example I managed to enter the front gate at 30 by coming in somewhat hot (but not hot enough)
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#8565366 - 02/24/16 11:47 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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I don't understand, that plot shows you pretty damn stable at 30mph. How is that accelerating, or 1200w?
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#8566168 - 02/24/16 09:13 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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schtickaz.ai
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4 half turns from first contact right? and monitor for any squeaking [squeaking = slipping]. at least thats what the setup guide says and most other users recommend.
omg or I can actually make 5s power similar to a cat4 rider of my bodyweight. zomg
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#8566206 - 02/24/16 10:17 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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civic00sedan
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i don't think there enough resistance based on the numbers. Try 4 full turns
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#8567286 - 02/25/16 05:18 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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Did my second FTP test today. First was in December, 320watts for 20min, 4.34watts/g
Todays best after 3 months of Coaching/Training
364watts for 20min, 4.94watts/kg
right at UCI DIII Pro 
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#8576737 - 03/03/16 05:44 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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so I'm thinking of trying road racing this year....
how much will I get my ass handed to me on my "gravel grinder"
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#8577464 - 03/04/16 10:20 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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are you familiar with the letters "DFL"  *note: I recorded a DFL last year in a 10k /yess
You remember my first CX, no? DFL (mechanical failure), but at least I ran 4 miles to avoid DNF.
so I'm thinking of trying road racing this year....
how much will I get my ass handed to me on my "gravel grinder" how much do you ride?
40-50 miles a week, year round, mostly in the form of very short rides with lots of "intervals"(stoplight racing).
It shouldn't be too hard to add a 15 miler every week, but a lot of it will still be stop/go.
Should I do something like add 2 fairly fast 15 milers and one 40 mile cruiser just to get some endurance?
also about to grab cadence/speed sensor for trainer road. Right now I only screw off on the trainer once a week. (still pretty rainy, and it's hard to get away from house because I have a toddler.)
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#8577469 - 03/04/16 10:22 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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youll be ok on a gravel grinder bike but the pace will be faster than what you would expect for cat5. it will be full of sketchy bike handlers and prob will have crashes, hence, "crash 5" category. its fun though. stay towards the front, as in top 10, to avoid the yo yo effect at the back, dont make any quick moves and you will be fine
How fast we talking?
Like cruise at 22, final sprint up to 30-ish?
It's hard to know what pack riding will feel like. I've done CX, so I've seen crashees and bumped tires,, but obviously it's mostly open and lower speed. I'm not sure what I can expect for speed in a pack vs open road speeds when I'm riding solo.
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#8577853 - 03/04/16 01:58 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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are you familiar with the letters "DFL" *note: I recorded a DFL last year in a 10k /yess You remember my first CX, no? DFL (mechanical failure), but at least I ran 4 miles to avoid DNF. so I'm thinking of trying road racing this year....
how much will I get my ass handed to me on my "gravel grinder" how much do you ride? 40-50 miles a week, year round, mostly in the form of very short rides with lots of "intervals"(stoplight racing). It shouldn't be too hard to add a 15 miler every week, but a lot of it will still be stop/go. Should I do something like add 2 fairly fast 15 milers and one 40 mile cruiser just to get some endurance? also about to grab cadence/speed sensor for trainer road. Right now I only screw off on the trainer once a week. (still pretty rainy, and it's hard to get away from house because I have a toddler.)
yeah you def need to get a long ride to help with endurance.
this is what id do if youre timed crunched:
2 15 milers at fast pace 8 on percieved effort scale, with 10 being flat out
1 40 miler at 6 pace work up to 7, about what would be a tempo effort
other days, just spin around and not pay attention to the details as recovery days
if on a day you were supposed to ride fast but get out and not feeling it, just back it done to a moderate pace like 4 or 5
on trainer, do the interval workouts. sufferfest vids are good.
Edit: you could also do like an hour of intervals, 1.5 ride at 7 effort and then a 40 miler at 5 effort . that would cover your bases well also
Edited by nato2377 (03/04/16 02:04 PM)
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#8577862 - 03/04/16 02:02 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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youll be ok on a gravel grinder bike but the pace will be faster than what you would expect for cat5. it will be full of sketchy bike handlers and prob will have crashes, hence, "crash 5" category. its fun though. stay towards the front, as in top 10, to avoid the yo yo effect at the back, dont make any quick moves and you will be fine
How fast we talking? Like cruise at 22, final sprint up to 30-ish? It's hard to know what pack riding will feel like. I've done CX, so I've seen crashees and bumped tires,, but obviously it's mostly open and lower speed. I'm not sure what I can expect for speed in a pack vs open road speeds when I'm riding solo.
yea 22-24 about right. pack riding isnt that bad. you just REALLY want to stay towards the front, be smooth and predictable and dont do anything stupid. your a cat5, not racing for a olympic gold. even in the 2/3 races i do, people do the dumbest shit to win 50 bucks. cat5 is a free for all, so just sit towards the front, dont go to the front and pull the peloton along, stay away from sketchy riders and youll be fine. also, STAY TOWARDS THE FRONT!
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#8577967 - 03/04/16 03:19 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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shamrok
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are you familiar with the letters "DFL" *note: I recorded a DFL last year in a 10k /yess You remember my first CX, no? DFL (mechanical failure), but at least I ran 4 miles to avoid DNF. so I'm thinking of trying road racing this year....
how much will I get my ass handed to me on my "gravel grinder" how much do you ride? 40-50 miles a week, year round, mostly in the form of very short rides with lots of "intervals"(stoplight racing). It shouldn't be too hard to add a 15 miler every week, but a lot of it will still be stop/go. Should I do something like add 2 fairly fast 15 milers and one 40 mile cruiser just to get some endurance? also about to grab cadence/speed sensor for trainer road. Right now I only screw off on the trainer once a week. (still pretty rainy, and it's hard to get away from house because I have a toddler.) yeah you def need to get a long ride to help with endurance. this is what id do if youre timed crunched: 2 15 milers at fast pace 8 on percieved effort scale, with 10 being flat out 1 40 miler at 6 pace work up to 7, about what would be a tempo effort other days, just spin around and not pay attention to the details as recovery days if on a day you were supposed to ride fast but get out and not feeling it, just back it done to a moderate pace like 4 or 5 on trainer, do the interval workouts. sufferfest vids are good. Edit: you could also do like an hour of intervals, 1.5 ride at 7 effort and then a 40 miler at 5 effort . that would cover your bases well also
agree - Local Hero and Downward Spiral are pretty good I've found - Blender as well
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#8578201 - 03/04/16 07:48 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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nice! i wish i could do zwift but i have a chromebook 
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#8580112 - 03/07/16 12:39 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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So apparently I'm slow as shit on anything over 20-30minutes. Definitely loss of tempo after that. This should come to no surprise.
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#8580272 - 03/07/16 02:46 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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that zwift does look fun. i may give it a try but i'll need to get a real computer first.
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#8589100 - 03/15/16 08:43 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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schtickaz.ai
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I think you have to authorize strava to pull from your garmin account
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