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#3620755 - 04/03/09 01:29 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Yea well the kid that ran this before me ran it like this lol. The dump tube looks like it would have pushed that exhaust right into the block. I know it's not long enough to get all the way under.

Makes for a dirty dirty block... \:\(
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#3622583 - 04/04/09 12:42 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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 Originally Posted By: Hobkins
Yea well the kid that ran this before me ran it like this lol. The dump tube looks like it would have pushed that exhaust right into the block. I know it's not long enough to get all the way under.

Makes for a dirty dirty block... \:\(


Not only that, but the turbo tends to suck in spent fumes, reducing it's power output.
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#3622684 - 04/04/09 02:17 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Dang Adam, your civic with that c16 at 22 pounds rips at 5k rpms. I can only imagine a pull like that haha.

And 325 lbs of torque is insane.

Edited by Hobkins (04/04/09 02:19 AM)
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#3626079 - 04/06/09 01:15 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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who are you going to have tune it? out joe at Locash is renowned as the best, but everyone i know that asks him nowadays gets told to pound sand. tim at xact dyno has done well with my car. authorized hondata and he's in srd so there are mechanics in house as well.
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#3628766 - 04/06/09 11:19 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: HabaneroSedan]
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 Originally Posted By: HabaneroSedan
who are you going to have tune it? out joe at Locash is renowned as the best, but everyone i know that asks him nowadays gets told to pound sand. tim at xact dyno has done well with my car. authorized hondata and he's in srd so there are mechanics in house as well.


I'm still looking around, my brother works with a guy just is now just opening up a dyno and tune shop up in Prescott and he will give me a killer deal. Name of shop I'm not familiar with. Whereever I go it will be a long trip because were in Camp Verde.

I got to pick a good one.

On another note, I just recieved my OBX Lsd and still waiting on my Walbro 255, OBD2b to OBD1 Harness, and my map sensor.
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#3632148 - 04/07/09 10:54 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Someone on H-T gave me a very nice link to a how to on lsd's. And this is the list that was given of the replacement parts. He said only replace if you need to? Well our Honda Dealer most of the time doesn't have the parts we need so we have to wait a couple days, so I would like to get the right ones ordered now. I'm wondering if I should just play it safe and buy all these replacement peices and take a hit. SiAdam you especially might know of what you need replace and what you don't. Ofcourse I'm still trying to go along the lines of replace only what's needed and my list will very likely be different.

91216-PH8-005 : Clutch Housing Mainshaft Oil Seal
91002-PS1-003 : Clutch Housing Mainshaft Bearing (28x60x15)
91101-P80-008 : Clutch Housing Countershaft Bearing (33x60x20)
91205-PL3-A01 : Clutch Housing Axle Seal (35x56x8)
72mm Mainshaft thrust shim

23927-PG2-A00 : Mainshaft Spring Washer (28mm)
91205-PC9-711 : Gear Housing Axle Seal (40x62x8)

91211-P21-008 : 1st Gear (Lower) Friction Dampener
91212-P21-008 : 2nd Gear (Upper) Friction Dampener
91105-P21-003 : 2nd Gear Needle Bearing
90202-PH8-000 : Countershaft Lock Nut (23mm)
23926-P21-000 : Washer (23mm)
91003-P21-003 : Countershaft Ball Bearing
91102-P21-003 : Countershaft Roller Bearing (25x52.2x15)
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#3632682 - 04/08/09 07:55 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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I'm probably not a good example of who to ask, b/c I only replaced my diff bearings.

When I opened it up, everything looked great. The only reason I ended up replacing a bearing on the diff, was b/c I dented one when I was taking it off. So I ended up buying one to replace it. It ran great for a year, until I broke a countershaft, replaced it that following year and it ran great until I sold it. Even went down the 1320 on a 2step and 30lbs of boost.
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#3633895 - 04/08/09 01:50 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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The only time when other's replace the bearings is when they dent them also. I'll just buy them to make sure. And probably will just grab the seals while I'm at Honda. A few $ each seal aint bad.
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#3637907 - 04/09/09 09:36 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Now that I'm down to a week till I build my car I'm scrambling to get parts.

Bought s300 with p28 socketed, and now see a deal for a BLOX Intake Manifold for $160 shipped on H-T.

Still need gauges, gauges pod, tranny replacement parts for the lsd install, and possibly a wideband sensor? I'm still learning about it.
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#3655133 - 04/16/09 12:09 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Do I need two new differential ball bearings ? The two that are on the stock differential will fit the new obx differential right?

Siadam you said you only replaced them because you dented it getting it out. But I'm trying to make 100% sure that they will fit because I'm making one final trip down to honda to get all my parts squared away.

Edited by Hobkins (04/16/09 12:11 AM)
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#3657105 - 04/16/09 03:21 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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I'm pretty sure.

You may also need a shim as well for the new diff.

That has to be measured and then figured out what you need excactly.
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#3662269 - 04/18/09 09:31 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Well so far we have installed the lsd, installed the walbro 255, pulled my type R motor, and now have mounted my tranny to engine. \:\) We are now just about to go back out and make sure I got everything on the engine that I had on the type R. Once I make sure everything is the same we will drop it in tonight. Turbo tommarow.
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#3662516 - 04/19/09 12:22 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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 Originally Posted By: Hobkins
Well so far we have installed the lsd, installed the walbro 255, pulled my type R motor, and now have mounted my tranny to engine. \:\) We are now just about to go back out and make sure I got everything on the engine that I had on the type R. Once I make sure everything is the same we will drop it in tonight. Turbo tommarow.


Good luck.
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#3670278 - 04/21/09 11:53 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Soooo much work we got done this weekend.

Unfortunetly we could not finish installing the b16 back into the car. We have gotten really close. These are some pics that I have taken in the middle of the process.

My Type R motor as it sat.


Getting started.


My beastly forged B16 My dad's 450k mile lx in the background. Brother was playing around seeing how my front bumper looked on it.


When we were pulling this out we were like ... exhuast leak lol?


Yep something's wrong lol.


IF ONLY THINGS CAN STAY THIS CLEAN!!!!!! ;\)


And my latest pic. Still need wiring done, and various other things. And we can't forget the turbo!

Edited by Hobkins (04/21/09 11:55 PM)
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#3701659 - 05/04/09 01:53 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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More updates now.

Most of engine swap is done. Ecu is in. Turbo + Intercooler done.
STILL NEED to get resister box wired in, gauges hooked up, and I think I'm going to run a longer coupling so I can finish getting my air filter setup done.

AND my cheap ebay wastegate rests right against my A/C lines, I'm sure your wastegate becomes a very high temp while running so do you guys have any suggestions? I'm going to heat wrap them but I think I need something else. Comments VERY much appreciated.

Here's a pic.



Latest pics.
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#3702156 - 05/04/09 09:16 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Wrap the a/c line with something, or it's surely going to burn that up in no time.
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#3703024 - 05/04/09 01:43 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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You think just a heat wrap will fix it so it won't burn up? My next upgrade is a new exhaust manifold which will be an InlinePro and probably a new tial wastegate. I'm almost sure this will reposition my wastegate away from A/C lines.

So this setup is only temporary but I don't want to have to replace a/c lines after a month of use. ;\)
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#3703324 - 05/04/09 02:57 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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 Originally Posted By: Hobkins
You think just a heat wrap will fix it so it won't burn up? My next upgrade is a new exhaust manifold which will be an InlinePro and probably a new tial wastegate. I'm almost sure this will reposition my wastegate away from A/C lines.

So this setup is only temporary but I don't want to have to replace a/c lines after a month of use. ;\)


Something is better than nothing.

FYI, unless you go to a ramhorn style mani, or a top mount setup, I wouldn't bother upgrading to another log.
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#3705277 - 05/04/09 11:41 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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This drag manifold is horrible... Wastegate is on one runner... mabye inline won't give me power gains but will possibly improve efficiency of my setup who knows.

I don't know you guys are the experienced ones with these. I will have it up and running in a week hopefully, then I will be able to finally start doing some of these part swaps to see power gains...

Edited by Hobkins (05/04/09 11:50 PM)
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#3756438 - 05/21/09 11:38 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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i have the drag manifold on my Si with a tail wastegate and it looks like i have way more room then what you do i don't have ac but from the looks of the pics my wastegate still would clear the ac lines
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#3950149 - 07/31/09 06:55 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Okay I'm sorry, the last few months have been hard and was not easy to work on the car or even buy the parts. Every weekend we chipped a bit of the work off and now finally.. the civic is at the dyno as we speak.

The guy really wanted to learn the base maps and play with the car so it's going to be over there for a few days...

Unfortunetly he played with it for about a day then did some pulls and at most it's running 240whp...? Does this setup sound like a 240whp setup? To me with a 11 psi spring it should be atleast 270+ but that's my guess. Let me hear what your thinking.


Stock B16A2 Block
Bored .20 over
SRP 9.1:1 Pistons
Eagle H Beam Rods

Turbonetics t3/t4 .57 trim .63 a/r
Drag exhaust manifold
38mm Cheapo Wastegate - 11 PSI Spring
Greddy Bov
RC 550cc injectors
2.5" Downpipe
2.5" Exhaust
Drag I/C 6.5" height
Hondata S300
Walbro 255

Edited by Hobkins (08/02/09 09:50 AM)
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#3951947 - 08/01/09 10:38 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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1l lbs should be more than 240whp imo.

To be honest I can't remember exactly what I made, but I think on 10-11lbs I was putting down ~300whp ??

I think on 18lbs I made 400whp and on 22lbs I made 450whp
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#3952391 - 08/02/09 09:46 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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I'm sorry but I forgot to say the tuner only rev'd to about 6500 rmps at most. He only took it up to 6500 probably because we told him it was a whole new moter, with a whole new turbo kit strapped on it, with a whole new EMS running it. H-T members said if I really took it up to 7800 or whatever then it should be close to 300... But I'd be happy with 270+ \:\)

95 Degree weather at 4500 Ft.

Edited by Hobkins (08/02/09 09:48 AM)
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#3953342 - 08/02/09 11:12 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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It would help some....when are you going for a retune?
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#4462573 - 01/26/10 09:24 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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Wow 4 months gone by now. Oh boy has things changed. I bet for all of us.

I got the tune by a real tuner about 90 miles away down in Phoenix a few months ago and dyno'd at 251.

Sucks but the guy told me my turbo bearings were going out.. or something like that. Guy I bought it from didn't tell me anything about it but what can you do.

It drives great. Not as quick as my brothers 350z but good enough. I still love the car and with a few more upgrades I'm sure I can smoke it.

Edited by Hobkins (01/26/10 11:12 PM)
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#4463380 - 01/27/10 08:16 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Turn the boost up...I didn't review the thread, but if you are on a stock motor, you can make 400whp on pump gas.

If you want to be ballsy, make 500whp on race..lol.

You shouldn't have ANY problems with a 350z..haha.
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#4463420 - 01/27/10 08:31 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: SiAdam]
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No not stock motor.

Stock B16A2 Block
Bored .20 over
SRP 9.1:1 Pistons
Eagle H Beam Rods

11 pounds of boost

IM thinking I need to open exhaust to full 3" and rebuild that turbo. Possibly a boost controller also not sure yet though.

Edited by Hobkins (01/27/10 08:32 AM)
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#4463443 - 01/27/10 08:39 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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I have the Drag mani. Probably 1 of the first casted...LOL! If this helps @9.5-11.5psi w/TialWG. I saw 290whp/180wtq...ish.


Me:
155k+ miles BoneStock B16A2 Head/Block, 3mmHG
t3/t4 .57 trim .63 a/r
Drag mani
38mm TialWG
SSQBov
Macgyver MBC
RC 440 cc injectors
3" Downpipe
2.90" Exhaust
Drag I/C 6.5" height
SFAC ftmfw! LOL!
Walbro 255
15psi all day = )
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#4463452 - 01/27/10 08:41 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: 00OldSi]
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Oh yeah...AC ROCKS!!!!
Happy Hump Day!
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#4464040 - 01/27/10 11:25 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: 00OldSi]
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 Originally Posted By: 00OldSi
If this helps @9.5-11.5psi


 Originally Posted By: 00OldSi
15psi all day = )


Wait you running 9.5 - 11.5 on the 290 rating?
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#4464116 - 01/27/10 11:49 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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Roger...290 ish.
A 3' DP will free your setup a bit. solid 15+ whp if not more.
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#4464171 - 01/27/10 12:00 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: 00OldSi]
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Yea I have prety much same stuff as yours and S300 running it. I'm just confused why I'm only getting 250ish. I don't really know if I rebuild that turbo and had full 3" from turbo out will give me 50 hp. Because that should be very close if not at a 300whp setup.
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#4464914 - 01/27/10 02:10 PM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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If I were to start putting more money into it again and start upgrading it more I would prolly do it in this order.

Rebuild Turbo
Full 3" Exhaust from turbo out. (If even possible my 2.5" downpipe is very tight it seems like already down there)
Boost Controller
Then Retune and then think about further upgrades.

What do you guys think? I'd imagine I'd be at 300hp at that point. 350 after boost goes to 18 - 19..?

Edited by Hobkins (01/27/10 02:26 PM)
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#4467150 - 01/28/10 05:55 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: Hobkins]
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 Originally Posted By: Hobkins
Yea I have prety much same stuff as yours and S300 running it. I'm just confused why I'm only getting 250ish. I don't really know if I rebuild that turbo and had full 3" from turbo out will give me 50 hp. Because that should be very close if not at a 300whp setup.


What's wrong with the turbo? Have the seals failed on it?
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#4467233 - 01/28/10 08:02 AM Re: Building my Si. forum [Re: hondacivicnut]
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 Originally Posted By: hondacivicnut
 Originally Posted By: Hobkins
Yea I have prety much same stuff as yours and S300 running it. I'm just confused why I'm only getting 250ish. I don't really know if I rebuild that turbo and had full 3" from turbo out will give me 50 hp. Because that should be very close if not at a 300whp setup.


What's wrong with the turbo? Have the seals failed on it?


The tuner I took it to said the bearings are going out. Thus taking it longer to spool then it really should?

Edited by Hobkins (01/28/10 08:11 AM)
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