#35543 - 10/31/03 11:44 AM
200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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i have been working on an NA b16a street build up for the last few months. my goal was to make 200 whp from the 1595cc b16a motor on 91 octane. several people and companies kicked down parts for the build. we basically used a stock bottom end and many more oem parts to reach our goal. we dynoed the 2000 si on 2 different dynoes a few days ago and had an average whp between the 2 of 201 whp. one of the dynoes was very low reading compared to other dynoes in my area. besides that we video taped the entire process and will be releasing it for viewing so ppl will have an example to fallow. the reason i did this is to help prevent ppl from making mistakes or taking a dead end build rout. there is a lot of misinformation on the web sites that are dedicated to honda tuning. this misinformation leads ppl on wild goose chases in their quest for power and needless meandering around. which causes ppl to get lost in a sea of information. seeing is believing and thats why i had everything video taped. it took 9 days @18-20 hours per day. the dynoes will be posted on ef-1/main.com. by the way the compression was 11.5 and we dynoed with a full exhaust and intake. all the video trailers will be veiwable on intertune.tv in a few weeks after we get things edited. stay tuned
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#35545 - 10/31/03 01:47 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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cruzersi99
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Great work.
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#35547 - 10/31/03 05:19 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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ironically we dynoed on the two dyno's that tune the only 2 all motor 9 sec. cars. which is trackmasters (leslie durst 9.93) and churches automotive testing (ericks racing 9.99) one was a dyno jet and the other was a dynapac. the dyno jet at track masters is a very consevative dyno we made 195 .somthing and churches we made 206.5. i wanted to do a 3rd dyno but we ran out of time. none the less the average beween the 2 reached our goal. both dyno facilities were very helpfull and i thank them for their time and efforts. shawn and bubba are both excellent tuners.
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#35549 - 11/01/03 11:04 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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CivicVTi
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Registered: 12/02/99
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Loc: Athens , Greece
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We wait patiently for your post on how to do this!
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#35550 - 11/01/03 01:46 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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MoesFlashBlueCar
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Registered: 04/28/02
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Loc: Pontiac, MI
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#35551 - 11/01/03 03:04 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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MadtownSi
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Loc: Madison,WI
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Oversized valves???? I did not see anything about oversized valves, just high compression valves. Then again I just skimmed the other links.
Omniman,
Great work!!! I can’t wait to see all the video footage you guys took. I’m sure I can learn a great deal from this build up. Once again, very impressive work!! Two thumbs up!!!
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#35553 - 11/01/03 05:18 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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MadtownSi
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If you look at stock valves you will notice they have a round recessed cut in them. Look at the first pic. Now if valve surface was flat, like in the seconded pic it will raise compression a bit. I wonder if you could actually dome the valve surface to raise compression even more….hmmmm……
Oversized valves allow more air into the combustion camber. They might also raise comp a bit, but I’m not sure about that.
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#35554 - 11/01/03 06:41 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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there will be a video released in a month that will explain and show how i did this build. the information thats in the video will help better explain how things really work. also all the parts and modifications done to make this kind of power. for the record there was no over sized valves used. we only used a type-r head to save time. all the modifications to the head will be released in the video. there will also be a section on the transmission.
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#35560 - 12/04/03 01:45 PM
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shivers
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Loc: North America
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any news on the video release?
Mike has been busy, but he's been making time to edit the video as much as he can.
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#35562 - 12/06/03 12:09 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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mike is nearly half way done with the editing, so its getting close. i will let everyone know when its complete!
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#35563 - 12/06/03 03:20 AM
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Kteller8
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Registered: 10/04/03
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Yep i talked to Mike and he said he is getting closer everyday 
Steve did some wonderful things and he has so much brain power its amazing!
I would recommend this as a great source for anyone with a b16...
almost makes me want to sell my car and get one. so i too can redo this..
low expense > high hp output .. you win both ways!~!
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#35565 - 12/17/03 02:01 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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we will have trailers up in the first week of january. from there its all down hill. we really thank you guys for being patient. we shot 23 hours of footage, plus we have to get the website up and running. not my area of expertise, but mike is doing a good job. since this is our first time we are gona be a little inefficient. sorry for the wait.
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#35569 - 01/18/04 02:22 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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emissionsux
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Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 28
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How hard would it be to get a JDM ITR to 200HP? Good work by the way......shows that it doesn't take much to get good numbers...just knowledge.
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#35570 - 01/19/04 10:23 PM
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Beave0101
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Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 15941
Loc: San Diego
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heres a smidget of a slow downloading clip:
http://66.77.170.144/alan/intertune/Intertune2004.avi
Can't decide if it's a funny or embarrasing clip to watch (as a Honda owner)
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#35572 - 02/15/04 09:58 AM
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rhettdec
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Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 129
Loc: St. Augustine FL.
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what format is the video going to be on? sorry if it was already discussed im lazy.
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#35574 - 02/18/04 11:13 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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samkarp
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Loc: Milwaukee WI
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I would but omniman is a moderator of the forum and would likely re-sticky it. I also do not unsticky posts that I did not make sticky in the first place.
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#35576 - 02/18/04 10:14 PM
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omnimanlsr
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we are having some time delays with the website. im really sorry for the delay, please be patient. i feel bad enough as it is. but somethings are out of my controll. trust me there is a lot of very usefull information in this video.
sam if you want to unsticky it go a head. the middle of march is our new date. i will repost when i have things in order
im sorry people.
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#35577 - 02/19/04 02:20 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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SeanJohn1802
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Registered: 12/16/02
Posts: 3136
Loc: Stockton, CA
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we are having some time delays with the website. im really sorry for the delay, please be patient. i feel bad enough as it is. but somethings are out of my controll. trust me there is a lot of very usefull information in this video.
sam if you want to unsticky it go a head. the middle of march is our new date. i will repost when i have things in order
im sorry people.
are you the one on honda-tech (ominiman) (sp) that built the first ls-vtec?
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#35578 - 02/19/04 01:24 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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shivers
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Loc: North America
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are you the one on honda-tech (ominiman) (sp) that built the first ls-vtec?
Yes, he is the one and only omniman.
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#35582 - 02/27/04 02:10 AM
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omnimanlsr
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#35583 - 03/07/04 12:26 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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niterdr
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Registered: 01/06/04
Posts: 21
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is there a list we can get on to get imformation? or just check back here?
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#35584 - 03/09/04 03:23 AM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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omnimanlsr
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http://www.browndogonline.com/intertune/
here is a link to the intertune tv website. a few trailers will be availible next week. progress is in motion. sorry for the wait.
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#35585 - 03/11/04 03:25 PM
Re: 200 whp b16a street build up results
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gohangotensi
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Posts: 343
Loc: Irvine, CA
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I'm just curious if this setup up is also CA smog legal?
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#35586 - 03/11/04 07:20 PM
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omnimanlsr
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i dont see why it wouldnt if all the emissions equipment was hooked up and the stock ecu had some reprograming for obd-2 compliance.
the header might have to be replaced since its a slip tube.
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#35587 - 04/13/04 11:42 AM
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bud, light, inhale
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coo fuggin sweet trailer man
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#35588 - 04/14/04 12:00 AM
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vtec_yosh
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Registered: 11/24/02
Posts: 152
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Omniman, I had a quick question. Why did you go with the m22 cams from RM, instead of the all-so-popular m24a cams? Im looking at doing something like this buildup in my 99 Si, and Im wondering which pair to go with. Thanks!
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#35589 - 04/14/04 11:56 AM
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shivers
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Loc: North America
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Omniman, I had a quick question. Why did you go with the m22 cams from RM, instead of the all-so-popular m24a cams? Im looking at doing something like this buildup in my 99 Si, and Im wondering which pair to go with. Thanks!
The cams used were from Dynamic Autosport (I don't recall which ones specifically). The M24a is no longer in the RM product line and the M22 cams will be too big for a 1.6L. I've talked with Rocket at lengths about cams, compression, etc. for my current build.
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#35590 - 04/14/04 04:59 PM
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SeanJohn1802
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m22, m24?? cams?? wtf i never heard of those, someone needs to enlighten me
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#35591 - 04/14/04 07:14 PM
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vtec_yosh
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Registered: 11/24/02
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m22, m24?? cams?? wtf i never heard of those, someone needs to enlighten me
http://www.m24x.com/bseries.html
im still new to these cams too, go here to check on them a little!
goto http://www.kteller.com to buy them.
Edited by vtec_yosh (04/16/04 12:14 AM)
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#35592 - 04/16/04 12:15 AM
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vtec_yosh
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Registered: 11/24/02
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Know any good place to collect info on the Dynamic autosport cams I cant seem to find any info or a place to buy them.
Thanks!
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So the only thing B16 is the bottom end. 
