#3520163 - 02/27/09 04:56 PM
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OnyxEros
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a stock b16 in a civic would be lucky to try 90, most mag racers have it high 15's at about 88mph
a stock dsm was consistantly around 15.1 at about 91mph my turd churned out low 15's @ 90-91 mph years ago. 15.1 @ 91 is fwd ratio shit. not awd a properly launched awd car pulling a 15.1 would be in the 88 mph range
both of these are mag racing stock times, so your turd can trap higher than mag times, don't you think a dsm can as well?
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#3520204 - 02/27/09 05:16 PM
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Euphoricuck
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Your turd isn't stock, though. Besides your blatant Honda bias, you aren't that bad. I can think of worse SvA posters.
That's an endorsement!
i had an intake. bone stock header and exhaust. i dont think an intake gives you 3 mph on this thing...
later added a catback.. did nothing for my time or trap. just changed the sound. never did a header. that was the extent of things years ago.
talon = mods and barely quicker from a roll. ive had it for almost a year...
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#3520246 - 02/27/09 05:46 PM
Re: Euphoric
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#3520651 - 02/27/09 08:38 PM
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danl
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captain save a ho to the rescuuuuuuuuue
stock 14 sec talons are like stock 12 sec fbods
My stock Eclipse (yes it was bone stock down to the never changed air filter) went 15.9 at 98mph back in 2001. With a K&N it went 99mph.
Honestly if your talon is only going low 90mph its not healthy. AWD's have better gearing and should feel much more peppy in the canadian air than a B16 civic. If it is honestly going into boost at 2800 like a stock car and fizzling out at 3800 then the knock sensor is pulling timing. Its an old car, things like this will happen. For a fact, the car in bone stock form should hold 11psi to redline and it should pull well to 6000. You should not feel a need to shift anytime before 6000 if it is pulling well. If its not, then its sick. Its not going to blow up or anything, it just needs a little TLC, like most DSM's out their.
A stock AWD should be trapping mid 90's in all but scorching summer heat. With a crisp evening should be damm near 100mph as my friends and I regularly did back in the day.
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#3521167 - 02/28/09 12:51 AM
Re: Euphoric
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SpcNA[ZX]
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captain save a ho to the rescuuuuuuuuue
stock 14 sec talons are like stock 12 sec fbods
Lolz, except back when there was such a thing as a stock 1G AWD, high 14's were pretty common. but for arguments sake lets go with looooooooooooooooow 15's vs. the Si's more common hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh 15's. Also so I'm clear here, you're comparing an "out of boost" 4G63's powerband to the complete powerband of a B16? Sooooooo then you're talking about response and power from idle to 2600? Ooooh man, what's next are you going to start the DSM in 5th gear and have it race against an Si (SiR in USA jr.) to 100 too?
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#3521190 - 02/28/09 01:00 AM
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OnyxEros
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] captain save a ho to the rescuuuuuuuuue
stock 14 sec talons are like stock 12 sec fbods Lolz, except back when there was such a thing as a stock 1G AWD, high 14's were pretty common. but for arguments sake lets go with looooooooooooooooow 15's vs. the Si's more common hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh 15's. Also so I'm clear here, you're comparing an "out of boost" 4G63's powerband to the complete powerband of a B16? Sooooooo then you're talking about response and power from idle to 2600? Ooooh man, what's next are you going to start the DSM in 5th gear and have it race against an Si (SiR in USA jr.) to 100 too?
that reminds me of the VW guys fapping over top gear acceleration of the R32
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#3522976 - 03/01/09 01:18 AM
Re: Euphoric
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cliff st-clair
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This thread belongs in the same X files compilation as the one where we had some brainiacs expounding on how low tech the Z06/ZR1 Corvette is.
Redonkulous.
hey... hey... hey... nobody ever said the Z06 and Zr1 or low tech, but they do use low tech drivetrains. If you could point out one thing about those cars' drivetrain that is state of the art then please enlighten this poor soul.
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#3524260 - 03/01/09 04:55 PM
Re: Euphoric
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Euphoricuck
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Euphoric, my car was a FWD. High 15's is fairly normal for such a heavy fwd back then. If you have a MBC on the car and it isn't running 100mph then the car isn't running well. Also don't be hitting more than 14-15psi without a fuel pump, especially in the cold. You pretty much explained to me why your car pukes and dies. You don't want to listen so I won't try to help.
ya the high 15's is fine. 99 mph is complete bullshit. if the car truly trapped 99 mph it wouldve been low low 14's easily....
stock not happening.
car has mbc and fuel pump with rewire. car runs quite well, compression is good, parts are good. its been taken care of...infact it was under tapp auto care for a long time... a great dsm shop...or at least they used to be. they have kind of moved on a bit from that though they still have dsm guys around...
ive told you about the car before over pm danl...(not that i expect you to remember all that info).
even still 3200lbs(oo i was off by 200 lbs) and 195 hp doesnt = 99 traps stock. just doesnt.
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#3525680 - 03/02/09 03:30 AM
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=103709
motortrend got a 14.8 @ 91 from the '92 awd version i believe
There were four different trim levels of Eclipse for 1990, each offering its own mix of powertrains. At the base sat the plain Jane Eclipse with a 1.8-liter, SOHC, eight-valve four making just 90 hp, driving the front wheels through either a five-speed manual or four-speed automatic transmission. One step up was the Eclipse GS powered by a 2.0-liter, DOHC, 16-valve four making a much more satisfying 135 hp and available with the same transmissions. Adding a turbocharger to that motor resulted in 190 hp aboard the GS Turbo, which came only with the five-speed. At the top of the lineup was the GSX that took everything in the GS Turbo and added five more horses, all-wheel drive and a fully independent, multilink rear suspension to the equation.
With a curb weight of just 2,745 pounds and 190 hp, it was no surprise that Motor Trend's test GS Turbo was a speedy little thing. It ripped to 60 mph in just 7.4 seconds and completed the quarter-mile in 15.9 seconds at 90.3 mph. Not bad for a front-drive car in the early '90s.
The 1991 Eclipse was virtually indistinguishable from the '90 edition. However, antilock brakes and the automatic transmission were now options on the GS Turbo and GSX. Buyers could also get a limited-slip differential in the GSX, but had to forego the ABS brakes if they chose it.
For 1992 Mitsubishi swapped the Eclipse's pop-up headlights for a set of fixed lamps shaped like cat's eyes. There were also some changes to the spoiler and wheel designs, and both of the turbo engines were now rated at 195 hp, but otherwise the Eclipse was unchanged. Motor Trend drove a '92 GSX, concluding, "The GSX remains one of the all-time great buys in a performance sport coupe. The all-wheel-drive system is completely transparent, but can save you from some outrageous cases of brain fade." They measured the GSX steaming to 60 mph in 7 seconds and running the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 89.2 mph.
ABS was made standard on the GSX for 1993 while the other Eclipses carried forward with minor visual tweaks such as a stand-alone rear spoiler on the GS. Time was catching up with the Eclipse, however, as a GSX finished fourth in a five-car comparison test run by Car and Driver (the then-new V6-powered Ford Probe GT won). "This year," the magazine wrote, "Mitsubishi has refined the brakes, adding larger discs and has improved the shifter action. The raft of changes makes working the potent turbocharged engine a sweeter prospect.
"Four years, though, is a lifetime in this highly competitive niche. The Eclipse's powertrain, for instance, gives up nothing to its larger displacement competitors in power or acceleration, but it can't match the newer four- and six-cylinder engines for smoothness or seamless power delivery
. Despite its intact performance figures, the Eclipse felt and looked like the elder statesman of this brat pack." For the record, Car and Driver had the GSX wailing to 60 mph in only 6.4 seconds and consuming the quarter-mile in 15 seconds at 88 mph.
With a new Eclipse on its way, the 1994 edition was basically the '93 with new vehicle identification numbers. Motor Trend's test of a '94 GSX had it running a 6.6-second 0-60 time and flashing through the quarter-mile in a scalding 14.8 seconds at 91.1 mph.
Could the next Eclipse match this first one's ability to enchant enthusiasts while attracting a wider audience?
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#3525977 - 03/02/09 09:33 AM
Re: Euphoric
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You pretty much explained to me why your car pukes and dies. You don't want to listen so I won't try to help.
LOL! I was waiting for this reply...
Has a tune been posted for this mystery machine yet? Even with my limited tuning knowledge a fuel, timing, and boost table would be interesting to see on this fabled puke 'n die-er.
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#3527745 - 03/02/09 05:06 PM
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#3527955 - 03/02/09 05:43 PM
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Euphoria, at low rpms there isn't a thing the B16 is better than. Yeah I agree it holds power better than the 4g in stock form but the 4g makes more power anyway so that is really a moot point. yeah I know power to weight comes into play, but come on, stock vs stock the eclipse was a faster car. I know because I raced stock ones back in the day when I had my Si. They weren't much faster, but they were about 2-3 car lengths faster.
Only in your world can the b16 si run with cars that were a good bit faster back in the days:
You have claimed the Si is as fast as GSR. That is not true.
You have claimed the Si is as fast as Prelude. That is not true.
From what I can recall you are 0 for 3 once it comes to what cars the Si was faster...no, less slow than or as slow as. But wait, last time I checked your Si doesn't even have a b16 anymore because you blew it up and have some kind of b18 now.
Jeez man, you should keep yourself from talking about Hondas really. Your bias is so blatant it is bordering on the unbearable.
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#3527985 - 03/02/09 05:51 PM
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]What's all this "driving out of boost" mess you keep talking about? Most 14b (stock) powered cars get full boost around 3k or less and still make more hp WHILE BUILDING boost than a stock B16. I posted two legitimate dyno's from hondata and a magazine that has no vested interest in the DSM which clearly show the the DSM is more powerful across pretty much the entire powerband.
i also dont go wot all over the place...do you? off a light its a nice normal accel and the car doesnt really do well. if i do go 1/2 throttle or more it doesnt really move till 4k rpm. which is supported by your stock dsm dyno graph.
then it hits the nice wave of torch...if you keep going itll pull nicely till 6kish and then fall on its face.
The Si is indeed geared more aggressively but it pretty much has to be able to move itself.
not really, look at civic dx gear ratios.... they still manage to move...though not that quick..
The power numbers speak for themselves! The Talon has more hp and torque (by quite a bit actually) across the board. Granted it's in a heavier car but also a faster car.
heavier , less aggressively geared, lower compression... doesnt have the response even a little n/a motor has. sorry it just doesnt. its also not faster , you even said it yourself(but you ninja edited it out, ya i saw it)
Maybe it "feels" like a dog because it's not "zing zing brrrrrrrrrring de zinging" like you enjoy but it's still moving  That's great that you own both, but it sounds like one of your cars needs a tune-up! At any rate I won't disagree that maybe YOUR talon is a dog compared to YOUR civic which.... Is your civic stock?
the talon runs well, you have no idea whats been done to it or the care that has been taken with it.
my civic has i/h/e.
i live in a world were stock dsms run 15's ..and shit so do I. modded changes it for anything. but it still doesnt take away from a heavier car, with less agressive gearing and less compression is not going to be as responsive booting around town(1-4k rpm) as an n/a motor...i know its hard for you to grasp, but i drive them everyday.
from a roll btw, the talon barely pulls my civic(my dsm isnt bone stock), obviously out of the hole its gone lol awd.
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#3528043 - 03/02/09 06:10 PM
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danl
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] That's great that you own both, but it sounds like one of your cars needs a tune-up! At any rate I won't disagree that maybe YOUR talon is a dog compared to YOUR civic which.... Is your civic stock?
His talon has an evo 3 16g. He said that from a roll the talon barley pulls the civic. Something ain't right. Evo 3 16g cars go 110mph easy all day long. I mean fuck I went 122mph on a 14b, the average car should be able to trap 110 on an evo 3 16g!
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