why do people think they have any idea whats going on with someone they dont actually know or talk to?

but I guess thats what makes this place fun

is that somehow not allowed? lol and first its i talk to much about myself and now I dont talk about myself? well wtf is it?


regardless, I can have opinions on anything I like and I can present them anyway I want to. I know this bothers you deeply but youll just have to live with it.
its obvious you are butthurt about it or else you wouldnt have made this thread.

why is it allowed for others to be assholes, but not me?

lulz my turd civic pulled a gtp just liek that the other day

and 07 328 will bitch slap you.

but for 4500 i guess its....ok besides the vette you sure cant pick a decent car

What mods you have on the Civic?

When I had the bolt-on Spec-V, I had no chance against my buddy's GTP. It'd be close for a gear or two, and then the Sentra would just run out of breath..

the gtp was bone stock.
i gots mad tyte i/h/e y0.

its not the first one ive beat either. (all of them were bone stock).
modded/pulley stuffs im sure it would roll me in the civic.

Pretty sure he has experience with his brothers DSM and STI.

lol here is a guy driving 2 even more gutless cars....ya the 4g is actually useless out of boost .fucking turd(psst ihave one too.my si has more balls until about 4k)then the 4g comes on for about 1000 rpm and then it pukes n dies lol. 10k 92vrtud lol.

I'll believe that B16 can beat a 4b11 turbo car handily. However I just will NOT accept that a B16 can beat a 4g63 car turbo or naturally aspirated and towing a boat.

]I love this thread! That does it, I will find a way to swap a B16 into the Galant!

yup, and its great!
a stock 4g is no faster than a b16. and im not talking dsm bullshit stock. ya guy 16g, 3" , maf,255 pump, 22psi..but ya shes stock bro.


and I actually do like the 4g...

a stock b16 in a civic would be lucky to try 90, most mag racers have it high 15's at about 88mph

a stock dsm was consistantly around 15.1 at about 91mph

my turd churned out low 15's @ 90-91 mph years ago. 15.1 @ 91 is fwd ratio shit. not awd
a properly launched awd car pulling a 15.1 would be in the 88 mph range

Your turd isn't stock, though. Besides your blatant Honda bias, you aren't that bad. I can think of worse SvA posters.

That's an endorsement!

captain save a ho to the rescuuuuuuuuue

stock 14 sec talons are like stock 12 sec fbods

My stock Eclipse (yes it was bone stock down to the never changed air filter) went 15.9 at 98mph back in 2001. With a K&N it went 99mph.

Honestly if your talon is only going low 90mph its not healthy. AWD's have better gearing and should feel much more peppy in the canadian air than a B16 civic. If it is honestly going into boost at 2800 like a stock car and fizzling out at 3800 then the knock sensor is pulling timing. Its an old car, things like this will happen. For a fact, the car in bone stock form should hold 11psi to redline and it should pull well to 6000. You should not feel a need to shift anytime before 6000 if it is pulling well. If its not, then its sick. Its not going to blow up or anything, it just needs a little TLC, like most DSM's out their.

A stock AWD should be trapping mid 90's in all but scorching summer heat. With a crisp evening should be damm near 100mph as my friends and I regularly did back in the day.

captain save a ho to the rescuuuuuuuuue

stock 14 sec talons are like stock 12 sec fbods

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Lolz, except back when there was such a thing as a stock 1G AWD, high 14's were pretty common. but for arguments sake lets go with looooooooooooooooow 15's vs. the Si's more common hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh 15's. Also so I'm clear here, you're comparing an "out of boost" 4G63's powerband to the complete powerband of a B16? Sooooooo then you're talking about response and power from idle to 2600? Ooooh man, what's next are you going to start the DSM in 5th gear and have it race against an Si (SiR in USA jr.) to 100 too?

My '90 AWD Talon, with 1-2 gallons of gas, all fluids full + 15-20 lbs of crap in the car, no driver: 3180 lbs

This thread belongs in the same X files compilation as the one where we had some brainiacs expounding on how low tech the Z06/ZR1 Corvette is.

Redonkulous.

Euphoric, my car was a FWD. High 15's is fairly normal for such a heavy fwd back then. If you have a MBC on the car and it isn't running 100mph then the car isn't running well. Also don't be hitting more than 14-15psi without a fuel pump, especially in the cold. You pretty much explained to me why your car pukes and dies. You don't want to listen so I won't try to help.

You pretty much explained to me why your car pukes and dies. You don't want to listen so I won't try to help.

ya and it shows what ive been saying...
has nothing in the low revs and then it shits itself.

]What's all this "driving out of boost" mess you keep talking about? Most 14b (stock) powered cars get full boost around 3k or less and still make more hp WHILE BUILDING boost than a stock B16. I posted two legitimate dyno's from hondata and a magazine that has no vested interest in the DSM which clearly show the the DSM is more powerful across pretty much the entire powerband.

The Si is indeed geared more aggressively but it pretty much has to be able to move itself.

The power numbers speak for themselves! The Talon has more hp and torque (by quite a bit actually) across the board. Granted it's in a heavier car but also a faster car.

Maybe it "feels" like a dog because it's not "zing zing brrrrrrrrrring de zinging" like you enjoy but it's still moving That's great that you own both, but it sounds like one of your cars needs a tune-up! At any rate I won't disagree that maybe YOUR talon is a dog compared to YOUR civic which.... Is your civic stock?

] That's great that you own both, but it sounds like one of your cars needs a tune-up! At any rate I won't disagree that maybe YOUR talon is a dog compared to YOUR civic which.... Is your civic stock?

I have a serious question. Is it still "puke and die" when the torque "pukes" to 320foot lbs and never drops below 200 foot lbs from 4000-redline? Or, in other words. The torque never registers below the maximum peak torque of a b16 at any point on the dyno plot (including at 2500 when tipping into the throttle)?

and i pointed out your little calcs are off and misleading.
i also dont go wot all over the place...do you? off a light its a nice normal accel and the car doesnt really do well. if i do go 1/2 throttle or more it doesnt really move till 4k rpm. which is supported by your stock dsm dyno graph.
then it hits the nice wave of torch...if you keep going itll pull nicely till 6kish and then fall on its face.

heavier , less aggressively geared, lower compression... doesnt have the response even a little n/a motor has. sorry it just doesnt. its also not faster , you even said it yourself(but you ninja edited it out, ya i saw it)

the talon runs well, you have no idea whats been done to it or the care that has been taken with it.

my civic has i/h/e.

i live in a world were stock dsms run 15's ..and shit so do I. modded changes it for anything. but it still doesnt take away from a heavier car, with less agressive gearing and less compression is not going to be as responsive booting around town(1-4k rpm) as an n/a motor...i know its hard for you to grasp, but i drive them everyday.

from a roll btw, the talon barely pulls my civic(my dsm isnt bone stock), obviously out of the hole its gone lol awd.

I said its a dog out of boost and pretty much below 4k rpm compared to the b16(which is it)... blah blah blahi know wtf is up.

Also the 14b rocks.

Truth. I don't notice much difference between the 50 trim and my 14b when partial throttle racing. I'm not sure why, maybe its the lack of boost, but that is just a guess.

The older cars did suck off throttle. Part of the reason was the compression. Most of it was due to the horrible stock mapping though. I've heard that evo 8's aren't so great off throttle but I've never driven one. I drove a stock evo 9 once and it was quite horrible. Fixing up the maps and they are quite peasant to drive and return better gas mileage. I don't know why mitsubishi does this.

Also the 14b rocks.

EDIT:

also by "sucking off throttle" that doesen't mean that it isn't acceptable. It can just be made tons better.

why is it stupid to argue that? it wasnt even an argument it was an observation that people got all pissy about making it into an argument.
people bitch about low end torque "problems" on all kinds of cars especially honda...so i brought it up as being something that is annoying and sucky on the dsm(which it completely fucking is) and all hell breaks lose...god forbid i say anything like that.... i only have the two damn things.
the two cars are in the same performance bracket imo.... (stock straight line speed speaking...obviously the Si is a way better overall car....dont even try to argue handling lol)

its pretty obvious you are one of the many retards that we all see at the track churning out shat times in a honda... you even openly admitted you werent that good. (what correction do you need to do if that track is at sea level?)
the first pass of my entire life i went 15.5 @89. i had had the car for 6 months maybe. first stick car.
brought it down to 15.3 for that day. went back a second time and turned out a handful of 15.1's @ 90.xx mph. bone stock(1.6l) with an intake. stock exh mani ,cat and catback. all times backed up many times over the years.

i fap about both cars... ive fapped a lot about the dsm in many threads, but i dont expect you to pick on it, half the time you probably think im talking about the Si. not my fault. I also bitch about the Si plenty, but thats not attention getting so it gets passed over and probably goes unnoticed many times .(and dont tell me no.... i know wtf i post).

my Si has a 1.8L bottom now...so what? now thatll get into a whole other argument if you want it to...one that ive had with local guys many times...that the extra 0.2L does jack shit. its all in the head.
but we can avoid that for now. the dsm has been around my family for 6 years ... i had 1.6L back then. i felt the same way back then too.

obviously power/weight (among other things) comes into play. nowehre did I say the 4g makes less power ...its rated at 195 from the factory ...no shit it makes more power .
I said its a dog out of boost and pretty much below 4k rpm compared to the b16(which is it). as i said i know its hard for you guys to accept it and blah blah b16 torque yada yada. i drive these two cars back to back all the time. im the only fucking one in here to do it. ive been driving both of them for yearssss, both in various states of tunes and mods. i know wtf is up.

if you think an Si cant run with a gsr or prelude, you have smoked yourself retarded.

you ran a mystical 14.7 with bolts on man... plenty enough to roast gsr's or ludes.

Im done dude,you're worse than a waste of time. Like herpes,scratching you just makes it worse.

gear ratios, weight etc all play a role yet you want to ignore it.

now weve heard another epic thing. dsms are good at handling. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL... i never said the Si was a stellar handler(but of course you want to shit the bed and take it that way) but its better than a fucking 1g dsm

you never mentioned that...regardless i always thought of that as a very quick(not normal) time...

in my experience gsr, lude and Si is a drivers race..... could it be because my car could turn out 91-92 mph traps? maybe, but in my experience those races could go either way(provided they were driven well... not driven well would be the loser regardless)

hrmm maybe now that I have a header I should go to the strip and see what it can do

ps cliff: i wish my car blew up that wouldve been fun, but thats not what happend

have you ever seen a dyno? lol. driven one, own one? no, i do.

well I guess that would make sense.....if you were right and had any clue what you were talking about. LOL

this thread is kinda like what happens when a force of nature meets an immovable object

and by that i mean you are both retarded fanboys

yup, and its great!
a stock 4g is no faster than a b16. and im not talking dsm bullshit stock. ya guy 16g, 3" , maf,255 pump, 22psi..but ya shes stock bro.


and I actually do like the 4g...

Im actually on Euphoric's side on this. Stock 1G DSM vs stock 99-00 Si is a drivers race, whith my money being on the Si.

Another buddy with a 2g with 12lbs 3" TBE would only get half a car on me by 180kph.

High-14's-low 15's stock DSM vs. High 15's-low 16's Stock Si does not a driver's race make. You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car.




2g DSMs run 14.5psi from the factory. If he was only running 12lbs than he was probably slower than stock.

You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car.

High-14's-low 15's stock DSM vs. High 15's-low 16's Stock Si does not a driver's race make. You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car.




2g DSMs run 14.5psi from the factory. If he was only running 12lbs than he was probably slower than stock.

But before we do that let's just take a moment and reflect: We are arguing about which fifteen second car is faster out of the factory? Is it worth it?

I realize this doesn't fit the dsm scenario completely b/c they're not going to be making boost at this point, just saying in general....a b16 is the king of you have to rag the shit out of it to get anywhere near a decent time.

quad4, 1g's don't have power till 4000? Is this comment for real?

I've had this argument with Euphoric before, but apparently because his brother owned a dsm at one point he knows more about them then those of us who have owned them for years.

My 2g was a consistant high 14 second car when stock. After taking out the bcs restrictor and other free mods it was a mid high 14 second car. Never seen a 14 second stock SIR before.

I'll bite. 14.4 at 95.5 mph in a FWD.

http://www.allpar.com/model/laser.html

lasers are a diff breed since they are like stripper models imo. its like if you stuck a b16 into an eg hatch and sold that from acura or something from what ive seen they are always quicker than a talon or eclipse. i dont think about them much since most i see here are n/a. way more talons here.

ive had it for almost a year now.. and i have an Si.... the only guy with both cars in this thread..

ya man, i tuned my car and it ran for over a year daily driven and beat to shit ...means i know nothing.

when doing some work on the car later my buddy unplugged my knock sensor and forgot to plug it back in...that was the problem. nothing to do with my ability. and i got a couple hairline cracks in one pistons ringland zomg destroyed. but ya me actually tuning and doing it on my own for the first time and have it run flawlessly means i dont know anything

i had a 1.8L block....to replace the piston isnt much less work than swapping the blocks themselves , so thats what i did. I didnt have to but it was also 1.8L. so its great that you thought you knew what went down..... but you didnt. and yes it had everything to do with the knock sensor and not my ability. many good tuners out there have blown the shit out of engines.... so i dont know where you get the idea that a hurt motor means anything nevermind that it wasnt anything big. some hairline cracks is not carnage.blown the fuck up wouldve been cool, but again it wasnt even a result of something i did.


i havent even touched the dsm yet. stock ecu, no safc. but it runs well . im gonna be logging it when the weather warms up and my cable arrives.

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are you mentally retarded?
or are we going to have to hear more i hate the world pretend emo bs from the fag who wont even take his broken ass piece of shit down the 1/4, infact wont involve it in any timed event? DIAF

SpcNA[ZX] , you are the only twat with a galant on here...