#32112 - 01/30/03 02:38 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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dpmurray
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Registered: 06/13/01
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Loc: Cumming, GA USA
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FAQ! I know everyone says "Search" but there are some things that come up so frequently they belong on an FAQ.
Like....
1. What size tires fit on the stock wheels and suspension?
2. What tires should I get?
3. Will xx" wheels fit?
There are many variables, but it seems like a lot of the most frequent questions pop up and are easily answered.
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#32115 - 01/30/03 05:19 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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samkarp
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Guides my friend. NA Tuning works well because we have a cam guide, LS/CRVTEC guide, ITR swap guide, etc. It cuts down on lots of repetative posts. Skidpad has started with the spring rates but other things like definitions of parts, tires to be used, etc can be added.
Also have strict and present rules on For Sale items and flaming/personal attacks. I think that Beefs way in Midwest is the best way of going about things for the For Sale. That is what we use in NA Tuning. As for the flaming...the only thing that can prevent that is good moderating. Not too firm, not too loose.
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#32116 - 01/30/03 07:54 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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dpmurray
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Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 4511
Loc: Cumming, GA USA
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I'd be willing to help lead the set up of an FAQ (or multiple guides). I'd need some help figuring out what questions to put in and the "correct" answers.
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#32120 - 01/31/03 06:21 AM
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Huggy
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 42727
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
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I think the thing that would help the skidpad forum the most is as follows.
1. Members need to be a little more patient with questions being asked and stop over-emphasising the use of the search function. I'd rather cover something 100 times and make sure the asker gets his questions answered then to tell them to do a search.
2. We need people to post correct information, not run their mouth off about stuff they are not qualified to speak on. Too many people think they know what they are talking about yet in reality they don't know squat. [ex.... What's the best sway bar? The best sway bar is....] No need to go further, that exact situation has happend countless times here.
3. People need to be a little less critical and a little more loving. Too many people right things off here without regard to the truth. Too all of you, eat a dick  .
4. People need to learn when and how to pick fights, because PMing me a threat will only get you banned. I'm sure PMing Adam a threat will get you banned as well. If you got dissed in this forum be sure threating me in any regards will only result in a ban.
5. Do not, for any reason, bring my moderator status up in a conversation if I haven't first, otherwise I will then feel justified to use my moderator status to be the ass you want me to be. I do not post as a moderator, I do not think I'm better because I'm a moderator, but if you want to bring it up be advised you dug your own grave.
I believe my 5 points to better the skidpad forum will bring about bigger changers then any other 5 you could think of.
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#32122 - 02/05/03 12:18 AM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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Paul6506
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Registered: 02/02/03
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Have a seperate "Tire and Wheel" forum.
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#32124 - 02/06/03 06:02 AM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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Huggy
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Registered: 11/01/99
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Loc: Cincinnati, OH
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No For sale sticky post - we have a whole forum for that. For no reason will I allow that to happen. If another mod does it, I'll delete it. We have a whole forum for for sale items and as far as I know most regional forums have a sticky as well. If you can't sell your product there then don't come crying to me about it.
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#32126 - 02/07/03 01:42 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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drunkenbabyseal
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Registered: 04/12/01
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Loc: Reynoldsburg, OH
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guide to shocks, models and their strengths and weaknesses. some good shock and spring combinations to go along with that would be helpful.
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#32128 - 02/16/03 05:32 PM
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clouds
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Registered: 12/13/02
Posts: 158
Loc: CA
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Yeah.. nice organized review page with everything in front of you w/o doing a search.
something like this would be nice: http://www.subarureview.com/drivetrain.php
That'll get rid of A LOT of repeat posts.
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#32129 - 03/10/03 09:51 PM
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NV THIS SI
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Registered: 05/28/02
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I think you should do a Tire Review.
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#32130 - 03/11/03 08:48 AM
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Anonymous
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A tire selection guide (to go along with the suspension guide) with everything you need to know. Then stop taking all these dumb "which is better" questions.
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#32134 - 03/26/03 10:59 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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vtec99
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 188
Loc: oregon
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i think it would be wise to seperate wheel and tires stuff from the rest of the suspension stuff. this way when a person wants to know wheel and tire sizes he wont use the space for shocks and springs!
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#32135 - 03/27/03 01:49 PM
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Huggy
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Registered: 11/01/99
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Loc: Cincinnati, OH
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Glad to see people thinking outside the box. This has been discussed in admin forum before and it was decided that a wheel/tire/suspension forum (as it is now) works best. At the end of the day the traffic here is small enough to keep the merged topics. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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#32137 - 05/17/03 09:38 PM
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MixMasterMike
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Registered: 08/10/02
Posts: 2078
Loc: Nor*Cal
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I think the thing that would help the skidpad forum the most is as follows.
1. Members need to be a little more patient with questions being asked and stop over-emphasising the use of the search function. I'd rather cover something 100 times and make sure the asker gets his questions answered then to tell them to do a search.
2. We need people to post correct information, not run their mouth off about stuff they are not qualified to speak on. Too many people think they know what they are talking about yet in reality they don't know squat. [ex.... What's the best sway bar? The best sway bar is....] No need to go further, that exact situation has happend countless times here.
3. People need to be a little less critical and a little more loving. Too many people right things off here without regard to the truth. Too all of you, eat a dick .
4. People need to learn when and how to pick fights, because PMing me a threat will only get you banned. I'm sure PMing Adam a threat will get you banned as well. If you got dissed in this forum be sure threating me in any regards will only result in a ban.
5. Do not, for any reason, bring my moderator status up in a conversation if I haven't first, otherwise I will then feel justified to use my moderator status to be the ass you want me to be. I do not post as a moderator, I do not think I'm better because I'm a moderator, but if you want to bring it up be advised you dug your own grave.
I believe my 5 points to better the skidpad forum will bring about bigger changers then any other 5 you could think of.
i totally agree with all of your suggestions...everyone does scream search when it takes a whole few seconds to repeat, plus information/products/reviews change all the time so the solution to a question might have changed since then...
i agree that there should be a lot more love on the boards, when i first started to come here i noticed that a lot of people were being shot down or just being plain rude to simple questions, and even complex questions, i think that the moderators on the boards and this forum as well should practice the "warning" features a little more, i'm not saying to rule with an iron fist or anything, just be a little less tolerate with the people who always scream search and that ibtl thing!
if i could, i would suggest (if this ever comes up) NOT sponsoring a forum...i'm the mod of the wheels/tires/suspension forum on clubrsx.com and we were just sponsored by the tire rack...it's great for the money situation, but the only problem is that it's not 100% free like it used to be, todd comes on there and *suggests* prices for HIS products, and members are encouraged not to discuss or advertise other shops, however, he can do it all day long with his product...i'm not complaining just making an observation!
anyway, good suggestions hondaman, if you guys ever need another mod with experience, let me konw!
Mike
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#32138 - 06/16/03 10:53 AM
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SoloScott
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Registered: 01/07/01
Posts: 967
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My .02...
I agree with HondaMan that it takes as much time/effort to respond to questions with a short answer as it takes to type "Try doing a search". There's no reason to shun people or make it more frustrating for them to find the help they need.
I think that there should NOT be a separate forum for wheels and tires, but it should remain in the category of "Skidpad".
I do think that it would be a great idea to have a Sticky post for tire comparisons. This would reduce the number of "Which is better" posts, but I do not consider those questions "dumb". They are the product of people who feel they have a reasonably specific/unique comparison AND/OR have not mastered the tricky Search function (explained below).
The Search function "Search options" needs to be explained, but not necessarily in the Skidpad, more likely on the Search page. I have figured out my difficulty in using it. Selecting "Entire Phrase" is the same as putting quotes around the text in other search engines. This means that all text must match in the exact string, in order. Different from "And", which means that all words must exist in any order (I was equating the two options). I wonder how many others have been doing the same thing.
My thoughts on Sticky posts; too many can clutter up the forum, but by definition they contain important information. Possibly a better solution could be a single sticky post which only contains links to the important topics. I suggest this for the Skidpad because I think there are many, often confusing, areas that make up traction and suspension. Let me try a diagram for a sticky with links:
->Skidpad General Information
-->Brakes (technical data, reviews, etc.)
-->Competition (info on: AutoX, Road Racing, SCCA, etc.)
-->Glossary (term definitions, general traction principles, etc.)
-->Suspension (technical data and "reviews")
--->Anti-Roll Bars
--->Springs/Shocks
-->Tires (reviews)
-->Wheels (technical and offset "advice")
Ok, maybe I went a little crazy on all the topics I think some of the most useful would be a glossary of terms, spring rates, tire data and comparison, and wheel offset data. Just some ideas, take it or leave it.
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#32139 - 06/16/03 09:51 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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Moose
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 245
Loc: Canada Ehhhh !
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A quality, well laid out, EASY TO USE, skid-pad specific FAQ or sticky is vital to answering most newbie’s questions ... How you arrange it within the Skid-pad section will be the tough part.
Based on the recurring questions, I can think of three major sections, and a bunch of possible sub-sections
Suspension
-Basic suspension theory … what a shock, spring, sway-bar, bushing, reinforcing bars (strut bars), control arms actually do.
-Basic Handling theory (over-steer, under-steer etc)
-What effect does changing (larger/smaller, softer/harder etc) a shock, spring, sway-bar, bushing, reinforcing bar (strut bars), and control arm have on the cars handling characteristics
-Basic suspension compatibility between Civics/Integra’s and between the generations of Civic/Teg
-Shock Valveing vs Spring-rates (eg, under damped spring = bouncy ride)
-Spring Rates vs. handling vs. ride quality
- True Coilovers vs. Sleeves&Shocks vs. Lowering springs (advantages and disadvantages of each)
-Using aftermarket springs with OE shocks … what is the effect
Rims/Tires
-Tire size, 205-50-15 what does it really mean and the concept of plus sizing (link to Tire size calculator page perhaps)
-Basic description of tire construction, rubber compound, and how this effects handling / ride / wear, and its use (winter/summer/competition etc)
-description of rim, diameter, offset, width, bolt pattern (X-ref with bolt-pattern guide) ----Compatibility of Rims between Honda Acura products (Bolt-pattern and offset req’s)
-Construction of rims Cast vs. SSF vs. Forged, vs. Spun, one piece vs. two piece vs. 3 piece, Aluminum vs. Steel vs. Magnesium construction
-Wheel weight/size and width and their effects on handling and acceleration
-What range of offsets will work with a specific tire width
-Basic guidelines to how what is the widest / tallest rim/tire combo that will fit on a DC/DA/EG/EK etc
Brakes
-Rotor diameter, thickness, vented/non-vented, drilled/slotted and their effects on braking
-Brake pad compounds and their effect on performance what makes a good street/track pad, what makes a good track fluid?
-Brake lines, SS vs rubber what is the advantage
-Brake fluid, wet and dry boiling temps, what makes a good street/track fluid, what makes a good track fluid
-Breakdown of rotor size and type for the most common Civics/Tegs (4th+ gen Civics and 2nd gen + Tegs)
-Basic Brake compatibility between Civics/Integra’s and between the generations of Civic/Teg
-Brake size and the minimum rim size that will fit over the rotor i.e. 15”rim over an 11” rotor
Any all or some of these potential topics can be discussed briefly but with a link to one of the many good web-pages that have a more in-depth discussion of the particular topic.
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#32141 - 09/19/03 01:26 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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J13
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i think you should make 3 seperate bibles, like the newbie bible. one for tires, one for wheels, and one for suspension. you could start by posting polls about which tires people prefer and so on.
I prefer to see a tire/wheel forum and a suspension forum as I have a more profound interest in the wheels/tires than suspension.
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#32143 - 09/26/03 12:06 PM
Re: Ideas to Improve the Skidpad Forum
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Huggy
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Just so everyone knows - I am begining to build a detailed explanation of everything listed here, with pics and great graphics. It's been put on a slight hold while I move. When I get the first one done I'll post it.
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#32144 - 10/08/03 03:52 PM
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marshun
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i think you should make 3 seperate bibles, like the newbie bible. one for tires, one for wheels, and one for suspension. you could start by posting polls about which tires people prefer and so on.
I prefer to see a tire/wheel forum and a suspension forum as I have a more profound interest in the wheels/tires than suspension.
this sounds like a good idea.
there are always posts about strut bars and sway bars. why not have a listing of those things and have their stats. it would just make for an easier side by side comparison. comparing the stats anyway.
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#32145 - 10/09/03 08:40 AM
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Huggy
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How about you put the info together and email it to me at mossk_civicsi@yahoo.com - I'll then sticky it and mention how you put it together. I'll gladly accept it in a Word, text or Excel document.
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