#2508780 - 04/04/08 02:09 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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FCobra94
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Ive never done anything you describe above, and yes it's a bitch move to fuck up a car and throw some duct tape and a band-aid on it and try to pass it off as if nothing was ever wrong.
you fuck up, you deal with it, don't make your problems someone elses headache.
ps blowing a clutch and sending a rod through the block are 2 completely different things
So, WTF do you suggest he do then? Fix it correctly and then when it's time to trade say "Hey, I know I'm trading this car in, but since the motor isn't completely stock and since you offered me $14K....I'll only accept 7."
I mean, what's your angle?
How is fixing it back to OEM standards a "bitch move?" Maybe I confuse the fact that if my shit breaks I want it fixed right, if not better than before, While others are happy with getting it done quick & dirty. Either way, duct tape and band-aid is still far from what I had in mind, or even suggested lol Stop Leak + Hondabond
ps blowing a clutch and sending a rod through the block are 2 completely different things True, but a blown clutch signifies abuse from driving like a jackass. But when a motor is KNOWN to have weak rods and a good amount of others have gotten a replacement shortblock after experiencing this SAME problem (stock, no less) that's a build quality issue. God only knows what kinda A/F's and knock counts that motor has seen during it's short life, but it's not like people haven't seen the same shitty results out of a bone stock drivetrain.
The more important issue here though is that you are driving around in a stock EVO lol shoulda just bought a Lancer
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#2508970 - 04/04/08 02:50 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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Ive never done anything you describe above, and yes it's a bitch move to fuck up a car and throw some duct tape and a band-aid on it and try to pass it off as if nothing was ever wrong.
you fuck up, you deal with it, don't make your problems someone elses headache.
ps blowing a clutch and sending a rod through the block are 2 completely different things
So, WTF do you suggest he do then? Fix it correctly and then when it's time to trade say "Hey, I know I'm trading this car in, but since the motor isn't completely stock and since you offered me $14K....I'll only accept 7." I mean, what's your angle? How is fixing it back to OEM standards a "bitch move?" Maybe I confuse the fact that if my shit breaks I want it fixed right, if not better than before, While others are happy with getting it done quick & dirty. Either way, duct tape and band-aid is still far from what I had in mind, or even suggested lol Stop Leak + Hondabond ps blowing a clutch and sending a rod through the block are 2 completely different things True, but a blown clutch signifies abuse from driving like a jackass. But when a motor is KNOWN to have weak rods and a good amount of others have gotten a replacement shortblock after experiencing this SAME problem (stock, no less) that's a build quality issue. God only knows what kinda A/F's and knock counts that motor has seen during it's short life, but it's not like people haven't seen the same shitty results out of a bone stock drivetrain. The more important issue here though is that you are driving around in a stock EVO lol shoulda just bought a Lancer
Ill say it again for the cheap seats You attempting a 1/2 assed fix on a car you fucked up and attempting to pass it off as "nothing is wrong with it" is a move by a pussy.
What do I suggest he do? Fix it and keep it, it's his car for the long haul now. Maybe buy the busted long block sleeve it and actually put the right rods and forged pistons in it.
You throw out "weak rods" like any minute now every ms6 that has ever been sold will puke and die. I have a bit more faith in the 1,000's of people driving around with the MS6 and MS3 stock that have not sent a rod through the block than one guy that modified his and blew it up.
The number don't justify your 'weak rod' argument.
I don't really see your point in bringing up my car, i don't drive a car with a hole in the block.
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#2508974 - 04/04/08 02:50 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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No carfax wont show that. Carfax doesnt show half the shit wrong with cars. Umm, Carfax shows trips to the dealership. Everytime I had my 6 in the shop, even for oil changes, it showed up on Carfax. And carfax doesnt show when my celica was stolen, in 2 wrecks, had its engine replaced due to hydrolock and my spec-vs wreck even though they were all repaired at dealerships. I guess it varies per dealership. But just so you know, some Carfaxes will show that kind of information.
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#2509208 - 04/04/08 03:47 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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I'm less stuck on the fact that this guy is trying to deal with this problem and more concerned with your odd way of thinking, in general. Would him being stock and Mazda still not honoring his warranty make this situation any different in your eyes, our holiness? If everyone followed that kinda mind set, at this point, half of SvA would have dozens of cars in their front lawns being held up by blocks. I mean, give me a fuckin break here And the only reason I keep bringing up your car is because...well...I don't have one and wish I did *takes ball and goes home*
If the car was never modded and threw a rod, I see no problem in giving the keys back to the dealer and telling him/her to shove it somewhere
Im only talking about modded cars
I love machine shops you can trust. I think this would be a fun project. But i don't think it should be passed off as anything stock if you are going to buy a questionable block and just throw it in the car with mismatched pistons and potentially 3 other weak rods.
just not the way to go about it.
if by some godforsaken chance i mod the evo and i lean it out and blow the motor this bitch is being built and im keeping it.
but that's for another thread
another PS There is still a difference between shitty bearings, paper oil pumps, shitty ring seal and PUTTING A HOLE IN YOUR BLOCK.
Ever try putting a hole in a bare engine block?
Edited by OnyxEros (04/04/08 03:50 PM)
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#2509345 - 04/04/08 04:24 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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I still dont see how this is shady. I mean he is rebuilding the engine. Its the same exact thing the dealership would have done.
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#2509347 - 04/04/08 04:25 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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FCobra94
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I still dont see how this is shady. I mean he is rebuilding the engine. Its the same exact thing the dealership would have done. That's what I've been trying to get at...
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#2509394 - 04/04/08 04:47 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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He isnt just throwing it together. He is having a mechanic and others look over the parts to make sure its all good.
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#2509402 - 04/04/08 04:48 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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he's reusing pistons and rods from 2 bum motors
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#2509418 - 04/04/08 04:51 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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he's reusing pistons and rods from 2 bum motors
and you think if a dealership rebuilt motor #2 they would replace everything? Nope they would only replace what is broken.
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#2509440 - 04/04/08 04:57 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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he's reusing pistons and rods from 2 bum motors and you think if a dealership rebuilt motor #2 they would replace everything? Nope they would only replace what is broken.
just because a dealership sucks doesn't mean he shouldn't do everything in his power to make it right
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#2509463 - 04/04/08 05:02 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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he's reusing pistons and rods from 2 bum motors and you think if a dealership rebuilt motor #2 they would replace everything? Nope they would only replace what is broken. just because a dealership sucks doesn't mean he shouldn't do everything in his power to make it right
So basically by your view a dealership can half ass it and resell the car, but if a person does it, it is shady and they should keep the car forever?
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#2509469 - 04/04/08 05:03 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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As I stated earlier - I will not sell the car or even trade it in unless the motor is up to par. After getting several professional and well-qualified opinions on my "Frankenstein" motor, I will then make my decision. Furthermore, I would not sell this car privately without disclosing that the warranty is voided. I am trading it in and surely the dealer I trade it in to can apply their own warranty to it.
Again, as I stated earlier - due to my priorities and financial situation I must sell this car for something cheaper and more reliable. In addition to notoriously weak rods, the MS6s constantly go through turbos, differentials, axles, and various other warranty work. While not everyone's rods are breaking, the aforementioned problems are VERY common. I also am moving to Southern California and plan on leaving the nest shortly thereafter. So, I'm working on tightening up my finances.
I DOUBT the dealership I took my car to will report anything on the title. Worthless. Tyrone Square Mazda in St. Petersburg, FL - stay the fuck away unless you need extra grease to slick your hair back or have an affinity for gold chains. But, it's certainly possible.
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#2509506 - 04/04/08 05:09 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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i love ps unless those two valve reliefs are supposed to be there there was piston to valve contact, i wonder what if anything would cause that damage on one piston and not the others...in which case you may have a bigger problem with that shortblock I'm glad you brought this up, Mohandas Gandi. If anyone wants to throw some more info out on why pistons crack - I'm all eyes.
Does your MS6 motor have dual path intake runners like the Spec-v?
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#2509515 - 04/04/08 05:11 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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i love ps unless those two valve reliefs are supposed to be there there was piston to valve contact, i wonder what if anything would cause that damage on one piston and not the others...in which case you may have a bigger problem with that shortblock I'm glad you brought this up, Mohandas Gandi. If anyone wants to throw some more info out on why pistons crack - I'm all eyes. Does your MS6 motor have dual path intake runners like the Spec-v?
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#2509525 - 04/04/08 05:13 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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I meant secondary time ones. I have heard of a few people cracking a piston due to one of the screws getting in there. Sounds like the car had an overheating problem.
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#2509587 - 04/04/08 05:29 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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without seeing the head from that bottom end it's tough to say, anything could have happened but it seems that 2 valves hit not just one I can't tell from that angle if it's two intake, exhaust or 1 of each.
but i would be concerned what damage was done incase a valve shattered and dirtied up other cyl.
I think the easy solution is to find another short block but if you buy this one be prepared to change everything once it's been disassembled to survey the damage.
if you still want it you should have him take the oil pan off and take pictures, see if there is any metal down there.
and then everything else that i mentioned before would have to be done
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#2509657 - 04/04/08 05:53 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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I'm surprised that only a BOV and test pipe would cause you to throw a rod at 11K. Did you turn up the boost at all, or did you just drive it hard most of the time?
I think a tear down, fresh block, and rebuild is your best bet. Like others have said, I'd be concerned about the integrity of parts from the motor you referenced.
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#2510491 - 04/04/08 11:50 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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OnyxEros
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If you want to do it right Buy the used block have all the cyl walls checked and honed. Measure the bores and buy new pistons, rods and bearings.
Also check the head, no telling what if any metal got up there.
Check the crank Change the thrust washers wouldn't be a bad idea to rebuild the oil pump
Then drive it for 1k miles to make sure it's not a smoking bastard
Now you have a brand new motor, you may love the car
You just stated what I've been trying to drill into your head all fucking day But yeah, if the second motor is FUBAR he obviously will not be going with that option.
you've been saying it's ok to pass it off to a dealer as just an everyday trade in, and it's not
by the time he spends the money to do it right, no one will pay what it's worth and he may fall back in love with a car that no longer has a hole in the block
see the difference?
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#2517495 - 04/07/08 08:43 PM
Re: Mazdaspeed6 Motor Swap
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Another one bites the dust!
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123702905
How dare he put a CAI on his car! $13k for the dealership to replace the engine.
I offered $400 for the short block...did I go too low?
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