#21925 - 09/26/02 09:14 AM
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coquinn
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You will also need the timing belt covers because the B18 shortblock is 8mm taller than the B16 shortblock assembly. You can use your current B16 timing belt covers, but there will be an 8mm gap once you have completed your swap.
You will also need the water pipe from a B18C because it has the fittings for the oil cooler. The B16A2 does not have an oil cooler, only an oil filter housing. The B18C does have an oil cooler (which is cooled by the coolant that flows through the water pipe); that being said, you will need the water pipe and the two rubber hoses to run coolant to and from the oil cooler.
Just thought I would add the additional information, good luck!
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#21930 - 09/26/02 03:01 PM
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zc911
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just one thing too, that any gaskets get ones from the ITR, they will be chepaer than the same b16 ones or even GSR.
I don't know why this is but if you save $5 hear, $10 there, it always helps
Just an example b16 intake manifold gasket $22 Canadian
ITR intake manifold gasket $15 canadain
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#21932 - 09/26/02 06:49 PM
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ryuujin03
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alright, I understand you can use a different headgasket, but now my question is, since the 1.8 block bolts right up to the 1.6 B head, is it safe to assume that headgaskets from either Spoon/Mugen/HKS or whatever will still fit if the gasket was intended for a 1.6L ?
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#21934 - 09/26/02 07:11 PM
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DiGBiC
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Would the same thing apply to a gsr block as far as teh flywheel cover is concerned? How much does the cover cost?(I know, newbie question)
The reason why I was thinking a gsr block is because I'm probaly going to go the JRSC route, but then when it's time to build the block, build a GSR one w/ lower compression. But definitely want to go with a 1.8. Is this setup going to be more reliable then an LS/VTeC setup? (better rod/stroke ratio)?
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#21935 - 09/26/02 08:07 PM
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MadtownSi
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Hold on a sec…..I’m not understanding why B16A head bolts will not work. The Si and ITR use the same head casting. Overall size and shape should be identical. Now the GSR head is a different casting. This might be the reason why you GSR head bolts were longer then the Si ones..
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Scratch that….I just realized why you need ITR head bolts. I just looked at my B16A block and it hit me. They increased the block height but keep the threaded insert in the same location. So even if the heads are the same, longer bolts will still be necessary.
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#21937 - 09/27/02 12:02 AM
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sleeper4dr
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just wanted to fill in about the header. from my very OWN personal experience a B16 header will not work with 1.8Liter motors.
i recently switched from a 1st gen B16 header to a 94 GSR header on my LSvtec because the B16 header was giving me a bad exhaust leak between the exhaust manifold and downpipe.... because the damn downpipe was hitting the oil pan and thus it was not able to seal properly...
so theres your .00001%
(nice post btw Tom)
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#21938 - 09/27/02 02:01 AM
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Beave0101
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Good post....leaving those that are ghetto and buying used blocks out in the cold?
Thats the first time I heard about that flywheel thinga-majigga, awesome.
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#21939 - 09/27/02 08:46 AM
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coquinn
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SIMPLE4012: I do not believe the lower flywheel cover needs to be changed. When I did the swap in my car, the cover worked just fine. I just wanted to clear up any confusion. Thanks.
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#21944 - 09/29/02 11:56 AM
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MadtownSi
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Take a look at this link and scroll down just a bit and read the “overview” on the ITR internal details. May small additional details make an ITR what it is
http://12.239.16.150/technical.html
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#21948 - 10/01/02 04:32 PM
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SI-Rious
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Save your money , get some kind of fi and if you live in cali emissions is gonna be a bitch.
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#21949 - 10/02/02 12:22 AM
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GIANT Helmet
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My friend pulled 158whp with a B18C5 block and B18C3 head in his 00 GSR. This was with NO tuning and NO aftermarket parts. Except for a drop in filter that is. I forgot what the Torque #'s were but I think he is off to a good start. The reason he chose that setup is because his crank went walkabouts, otherwise he prob wouldn't have done it. We both feel his car is good for 14's if he drive's it right.
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#21952 - 10/02/02 08:36 PM
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electronspeeder
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The GSR and type R have the exact same BARE block.
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#21954 - 10/04/02 10:26 AM
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so if i were ordering ARP head studs, i would order itr ones?
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#21956 - 10/08/02 12:46 AM
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MacGyver
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My ITR bottom and GSR head made 185 whp and 131 ft lbs of torque. untuned..
and ran a 14.084 at 102.5 mph.. on street tires... in a 2600 lb del Sol.
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#21957 - 10/10/02 08:53 PM
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with cams right?
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#21958 - 10/10/02 08:56 PM
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MacGyver
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skunk 2 stage 1 intake and type R exhaust..cam
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#21961 - 10/11/02 05:56 PM
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MacGyver
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the 185 whp was done on factory del Sol Si exhaust with a SOHC NON VTEC throttle body..
im projecting more like 190-195 with the exhaust and new throttle body
Mac
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#21962 - 11/10/02 12:55 PM
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91civicSi
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wow that's good.. is b16head better than gsr if they both had the same internals? correct me if im wrong...
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#21963 - 11/10/02 09:36 PM
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MacGyver
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All things being equal as in cams and such. The GSR head with inherantly produce more hp due to a smaller combustion chamber. Thus this raises compression. Also the GSR head flows more CFM than an ITR head. But the GSR head induces turbulence in the air flow unlike the Type R head. Im not sure if the Type R head is better or not.. I personaly believe that the GSR head is better but i can not prove it..
Mac
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#21965 - 11/12/02 02:50 PM
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GuyWithSi
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so for 2200 or so the block comes with the piston and rod as well?
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#21966 - 11/14/02 03:22 PM
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00JunSi
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How do you figure the GSR head flows more CFM than an ITR head and produces more power? Do you have actual proof? I don't think Honda engineers would go with a poorer flowing head for an engine that requires more flow than a GSR.
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#21967 - 11/15/02 03:46 PM
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Beave0101
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In reply to:
How do you figure the GSR head flows more CFM than an ITR head and produces more power? Do you have actual proof? I don't think Honda engineers would go with a poorer flowing head for an engine that requires more flow than a GSR.
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#21968 - 11/16/02 06:55 PM
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AzSi22
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This is Alaniz's comparison of a STOCK B16A head vs. a GSR head. If you look, the B16A head flows better for most of the midrange until about .450 lift. A ITR head is ported well with better valves and valvetrain, which do YOU think flows better???
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#21970 - 11/22/02 04:40 AM
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00JunSi
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So then explain to me why Honda would choose a poorer flowing head?
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#21972 - 12/16/02 12:31 AM
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RyanSaysNo
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wheres is the best place to purchase a shortblock because im lookin to get one soon.
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#21973 - 07/18/03 12:15 PM
99 itr block with 2gen b16a head
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jasma1
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i'm doing a 99 itr block with ctr pistons and b16a head with head work what ECU is good to use i have a second gen b16a ecu with pyr racing chip is that good to use pm me back thanks
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#21974 - 07/19/03 02:31 AM
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REDHCSI
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Quote:
just wanted to fill in about the header. from my very OWN personal experience a B16 header will not work with 1.8Liter motors.
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<br>i recently switched from a 1st gen B16 header to a 94 GSR header on my LSvtec because the B16 header was giving me a bad exhaust leak between the exhaust manifold and downpipe.... because the damn downpipe was hitting the oil pan and thus it was not able to seal properly...
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<br>so theres your .00001% [image]/images/icons/wink.gif[/image]
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<br>(nice post btw Tom)
with my ls/vtec setup i used my old dc sport b16 header <4-1> and it works just fine its a tight fit but it doesn't touch the oil pan
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#21976 - 09/23/03 12:18 AM
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SiRkid
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ported well? better valvetrain? i guess...
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