| Silock |
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| 06/18/14 10:50 PM |
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Back on UD 2.0
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Because:
1) meat
2) it works
3) really well
4) meat
5) carb loading
6) MEAT
| It's Art |
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| 06/18/14 11:00 PM |
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I don't know what we're talking about but, sounds good.
| Silock |
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| 06/18/14 11:03 PM |
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ultimate-diet-20
Cutting diet I did last year. 30 lbs in 7 weeks. If there was any muscle loss, it was too insignificant to notice and didn't affect strength levels.
| Impulsive |
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| 06/19/14 09:07 AM |
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IIRC, you seemed pretty drained on a lot of the workouts. Is that an issue?
You were also very partial with the exact type of carb, does it matter than much?
| 98V-TeC |
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| 06/19/14 09:09 AM |
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So the vegan cut was that bad?
| Lewis |
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| 06/19/14 09:32 AM |
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Where can I "acquire" this, I need to up my game this summer.
| 98V-TeC |
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| 06/19/14 09:33 AM |
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Let's UP IT TOGETHER BRO!
| Lewis |
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| 06/19/14 09:51 AM |
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Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC
Let's UP IT TOGETHER BRO!
| Silock |
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| 06/19/14 01:14 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Impulsive
IIRC, you seemed pretty drained on a lot of the workouts. Is that an issue?
You were also very partial with the exact type of carb, does it matter than much?
You were also very partial with the exact type of carb, does it matter than much?
It's not an issue, other than it's hard. But I can't argue with the end result.
Yes, types of carbs matter greatly. Rice, potatoes, bread, and glucose candies is pretty much it.
| Silock |
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| 06/19/14 01:15 PM |
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Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC
So the vegan cut was that bad?
8 lbs in one month, more muscle loss than fat, I think. F that.
| Silock |
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| 07/05/14 12:12 AM |
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My food diary is so boring.
6/17: 1211 cals, 243P, 31F, 0C
6/18: 1165 cals, 225P, 29F, 15C
6/19: 1191 cals, 224P, 31F, 0C
6/20: 2673 cals, 182P, 19F, 439C
6/21: 4403 cals, 199P, 60F, 738C
6/22: 2035 cals, 174P, 30F, 270C
6/23: 1215 cals, 210P, 42F, 0C
6/24: 1092 cals, 169P, 25F, 39C
6/25: 930 cals, 133P, 24F, 34C
6/26: 1030 cals, 171P, 32F, 5C
6/27: 5409 cals, 329P, 31F, 931C
6/28: 110 cals, 0P, 0F, 18C
6/29: 1583 cals, 187P, 20F, 151C
6/30: 1136 cals, 125P, 30F, 77C
7/1: 1203 cals, 214P, 31F, 0C
7/2: 1259 cals, 209P, 42F, 5C
7/3: 1482 cals, 290P, 30F, 0C
7/4: 1000 cals, 184P, 21F, 5C
Avg: 1674 cals, 193P, 29F, 152C
Expected calories burned just from average food deficit: 2272 cals (not even 1 lbs of fat loss)
Estimated calories burned through exercise: 7571 cals
Expected calories burned from food + exercise: 10343 cals
Expected fat loss: 2.95 lbs
Starting weight: 199.9 lbs
Current weight: 189.3 lbs
Seems about right, if 7 lbs of that is water weight, which it could be.
| 98V-TeC |
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| 07/07/14 12:46 PM |
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I read half of the PDF yesterday. Not the best read, but not terrible. I'm assuming it gets better towards the end when actual diet and training come into play.
| wolfsburg2 |
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| 07/07/14 01:23 PM |
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I'd like to read it but I'm also cheap. It's a maddening balance to try and work through.
| It's Art |
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| 07/07/14 08:14 PM |
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I don't even think I'm smart enough to do one of these programs you guys do. Nigga needs a degree in accounting and biology and shit to get to week 3.
| Moof |
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| 07/07/14 08:24 PM |
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I've cut down on my red meat consumption by about 75%. I focus mostly on chicken and fish. Lots of fish.
| Rumbelstiltskin |
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| 07/07/14 09:44 PM |
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Just eat less...
| Silock |
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| 07/07/14 11:32 PM |
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Originally Posted By: ping pong in ding dong
I don't even think I'm smart enough to do one of these programs you guys do. Nigga needs a degree in accounting and biology and shit to get to week 3.
It sounds more complicated than it is. Avoid fat, eat only protein and green veggies 5 days a week, eat bread on the weekend.
| It's Art |
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| 07/08/14 07:43 AM |
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Originally Posted By: Silock
Originally Posted By: ping pong in ding dong
I don't even think I'm smart enough to do one of these programs you guys do. Nigga needs a degree in accounting and biology and shit to get to week 3.
It sounds more complicated than it is. Avoid fat, eat only protein and green veggies 5 days a week, eat bread on the weekend.
| Silock |
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| 08/19/14 12:05 AM |
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So, started 2 months ago at 202.
Tonight check in at 175.7. Gonna be under 175 by Friday.
#PovertyMacros
#PovertyMacrosWork
| CrazeD |
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| 08/19/14 12:11 AM |
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Originally Posted By: Silock
So, started 2 months ago at 202.
Tonight check in at 176.7. Gonna be under 175 by Friday.
#PovertyMacros
#PovertyMacrosWork
Tonight check in at 176.7. Gonna be under 175 by Friday.
#PovertyMacros
#PovertyMacrosWork
I need to know how you did this.
I'm where you were. I want to be where you are one day. Gotta start somewhere though.
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It sounds more complicated than it is. Avoid fat, eat only protein and green veggies 5 days a week, eat bread on the weekend.
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What about other carbs like rice and potatoes and shit?
| Silock |
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| 08/19/14 12:16 AM |
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How?
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ultimate-diet-20
Small amounts of potatoes and rice is okay, but you can't have too much sugar or fiber, as they interfere with the carb load.
| Mick Daddy |
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| 08/19/14 03:48 AM |
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can you post an example of what you're eating?
| Silock |
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| 08/19/14 04:00 AM |
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2 lbs chicken breast, grilled usually
2 scoops protein powder shake
Some kind of salad of leafy greens (no carrots) and a couple of tablespoons of Walden Farms calorie free dressing
That's what I eat on non carb days
Carb days is fat free pretzels, bagels with fat free cream cheese, after dinner mints, pasta.
| Silock |
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| 08/19/14 11:54 PM |
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173.8 tonight.
| Silock |
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| 08/21/14 11:48 PM |
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171.5 tonight.
| Red00SI |
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| 08/22/14 11:43 AM |
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Are you working out while doing this, or is this weight loss just from dieting?
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 11:55 AM |
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Working out like a madman.
| Impulsive |
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| 08/22/14 11:55 AM |
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Plus, IIRC, OP was planning on a bulking phase, so did you manage to gain some muscle and are now cutting? Looking better than last time?
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 12:11 PM |
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I'm up a pound and a half with the same bodyfat as last year, so I'd say it worked. I'm a little stronger this time than last.
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 07:04 PM |
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Did I do it right?
Start @ 202:
End at 171:
| It's Art |
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| 08/22/14 07:44 PM |
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Killed it.
| HotHB |
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| 08/22/14 07:46 PM |
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Hmm...interesting.
Assuming you never really eat out...no booze?
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 07:56 PM |
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No booze. And I ate out on the weekends, but mostly salads or lean meats with no carbs. Just have to be careful because most places will have way too much fat.
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 07:57 PM |
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Also, it's so much easier to diet crazy like this because you see almost instant results. Definitely helps the motivation. Much easier to diet for 8 weeks a year than 50.
| Silock |
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| 08/22/14 07:57 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Art Time Lover
Killed it.
Art hath spoken
| It's Art |
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| 08/22/14 08:58 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Silock
Originally Posted By: Art Time Lover
Killed it.
Art hath spoken
| Dahlia |
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| 08/24/14 04:44 AM |
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Originally Posted By: Lewis
Where can I "acquire" this, I need to up my game this summer.
EBook UD 2.0
| HotHB |
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| 08/25/14 09:42 AM |
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Originally Posted By: Silock
No booze. And I ate out on the weekends, but mostly salads or lean meats with no carbs. Just have to be careful because most places will have way too much fat.
Hmmm, nice.
What is the theory on low fat. I personally have been consuming a good amount of fat daily (still low carbs). I feel like without it my body doesn't want to recover and I dont have the energy because of little carbs...
thoughts?
| Silock |
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| 08/25/14 12:04 PM |
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Fat is just easily stored as fat in a caloric deficit. There's a theory about metabolic efficiency that says the more times you cut on the same system, the more efficient your body becomes at doing so. So, if you're constantly cutting weight with a keto diet or low carb diet, your body becomes more efficient at using the fat you give it. Of course, there's a lower limit to your energy burning, but the less amount of fat you give it to begin with, the less likely it is to be deposited as fat.
It's also so that protein is mainly used for energy when it isn't being used for substrate production. Protein almost never turns to fat, ever, even in a EDIT: surplus. So, combing that with no carbs gives you super super quick fat burning.
Of course, there are downsides, like not enough dietary fat to sustain hormone production and regulation, which is why you are not supposed to stay on the diet for more than 6-8 weeks without a break.
As for no energy, well, you get used to it.
| HotHB |
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| 08/25/14 02:26 PM |
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Interesting.
so you are consuming a fuck ton of protein i'm guessing.
sugar?
Coffee?
How the fuck do you stay awake?
I know its not the same, but I did the 'Whole 30' for a month and christ I could barely stand up 3 weeks into it.
| Silock |
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| 08/25/14 02:33 PM |
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Sugar is carbs, so no.
1.5g of protein per lbs of LBM
Yes, coffee, but no sugar.
Stay awake by getting plenty of sleep. I have no problems whatsoever with energy.
| HotHB |
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| 08/25/14 02:58 PM |
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Might give this a shot...
| Bjorn |
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| 08/25/14 09:23 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Silock
Fat is just easily stored as fat in a caloric deficit. There's a theory about metabolic efficiency that says the more times you cut on the same system, the more efficient your body becomes at doing so. So, if you're constantly cutting weight with a keto diet or low carb diet, your body becomes more efficient at using the fat you give it. Of course, there's a lower limit to your energy burning, but the less amount of fat you give it to begin with, the less likely it is to be deposited as fat.
It's also so that protein is mainly used for energy when it isn't being used for substrate production. Protein almost never turns to fat, ever, even in a deficit. So, combing that with no carbs gives you super super quick fat burning.
Of course, there are downsides, like not enough dietary fat to sustain hormone production and regulation, which is why you are not supposed to stay on the diet for more than 6-8 weeks without a break.
As for no energy, well, you get used to it.
It's also so that protein is mainly used for energy when it isn't being used for substrate production. Protein almost never turns to fat, ever, even in a deficit. So, combing that with no carbs gives you super super quick fat burning.
Of course, there are downsides, like not enough dietary fat to sustain hormone production and regulation, which is why you are not supposed to stay on the diet for more than 6-8 weeks without a break.
As for no energy, well, you get used to it.
That pretty much describes my experience with low carb. Due to high cholesterol, I started cutting the fat and started dropping again.
| HotHB |
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| 08/26/14 12:33 PM |
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so what do you cook with? You mention lots of protein low fat..
What are you cooking with, coconut oil?
And breakfast...low fat, guessing no bacon and limited eggs.?
| Silock |
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| 08/26/14 12:55 PM |
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Cooking without fat. Grilled stuff, mostly. You don't have to oil that. I put another recipe up in a different thread with shredded chicken. You can bake a lot of fish without having to use oil. Cocktail shrimp is another good one. Lean deli meats.
I don't eat breakfast, but if I did, bacon and eggs are out of the question.
THis diet isn't for the faint of heart. But it's lightning quick and you can still gain muscle on it, as long as you follow the workouts and diet exactly.
| HotHB |
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| 08/26/14 01:50 PM |
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No breakfast period? Protein shake?
| Silock |
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| 08/26/14 01:52 PM |
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You can. I don't, but it's allowed.
| HotHB |
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| 08/26/14 01:58 PM |
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Dude thats crazy.
| Silock |
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| 08/26/14 02:01 PM |
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Lots of people skip breakfast. It's not necessary.
| HotHB |
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| 08/26/14 02:08 PM |
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For me I found it to be the opposite. When I do eat it gets my metabolism going. When I don't I could not lose weight to save my life
| Silock |
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| 08/26/14 02:13 PM |
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You probably changed the overall intake and types of food when you did. Strictly from a weight standpoint, if you eat the same number of calories, it won't matter when you do or how you split them up. But, it can affect how you feel.
| HotHB |
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| 08/26/14 02:15 PM |
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Could be mental for sure...when not eating I feel hungry all day even though I am not and end up consuming more than I would otherwise.
| Bjorn |
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| 08/26/14 09:48 PM |
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Originally Posted By: HotHB
so what do you cook with? You mention lots of protein low fat..
What are you cooking with, coconut oil?
And breakfast...low fat, guessing no bacon and limited eggs.?
What are you cooking with, coconut oil?
And breakfast...low fat, guessing no bacon and limited eggs.?
You can cook a lot stuff dry with the right pan and if it starts sticking too bad, you can always deglaze with water and turn it into a curry or something else.