aerosaaber
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08/14/06 09:24 PM
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Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperhaps*
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Yeah, I'm sure most of you won't give a damn, but I think it's cool. Especially because building a rally car from a 99 over the last year or so we ran into some of the same problems. It would have been nice to see this video PRIOR to asembling our own car.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1876828920764255480 It's a 16 min video on the development of the 99 as a rally car. If you dig old school rally, it ought to be a cool thing to watch.
It's funny to see the parallels we dealt with. We actually had trouble with the distributor at our 2nd rally, it failed catastrophically due to a loose front motor mount bolt allowing the motor to move upward and allow the distributor cap to hit the coolant hose and then BAMMO. We had trouble with the skidplate not being strong enough in the first rally, it bent enough to expose the drain plug which was sheared off by a rock. As you may or may not know, oil is kind of important, thus ended our day.
Of course the car is now sporting standalone engine management with a nice dyno tune with a completely rebuilt motor as well as a custom clutch type LSD.
These pics are from the STPR rally in Western PA June 2006.
And here it is in it's current state.
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aerosaaber
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08/14/06 09:37 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Here's some of the work I helped with, The car's driver/owner master fabricator was kind enough to attempt to teach me to weld, but instead I ended up with things like measuring, cutting and hitting things with a hammer.
Trunk view
A look under the hood, behind the headlights, radiator and grill
A view of the inital install of the new coilovers with completely custom shock towers.
Originally we thought the A-arms would be fine with the new coilovers, apparently we did not complete our calculations, as this resulted after some pretty rough stages
The Now, re-beefed up and modded (stock) A arm
Aluminium (I think) Coolant tank
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theLoon
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08/14/06 09:44 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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I love how the car looks in this pic. The pic of the bent up A-arm is nice too
So are you driving, or building? I don't remember the backstory on this li'l project of yours.
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aerosaaber
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08/14/06 09:47 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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I'm the self appointed crew chief, I'm the giant with the blue hat in that first pic. I have tried to fit into the car, it simply doesn't work because Luke is about the size of the guy on the other side of the car.
I'm content to wrench, hammer and bark orders. The car is owned, driven and mostly built by Luke. It's a small band of Rochester Saab guys (well they were in Rochester now they're out of school and I'm left here all alone *tear*) I love going to rallies to attempt to spectate and crew at that same time which is quite a task.
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beerslurpy
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08/14/06 09:51 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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It's funny watching an entire company take a year to get 200 crank hp out of an engine.
Still, it was a sweet vid. Nice car, is it AWD or RWD?
edit: and at the 1970s dunlop scientist announcing his invention, the "street legal race tire" *pinky at corner of mouth*. Major props.
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And here it is in it's current state.
Good use of the Swedish flag for accent colors.
I love working on other peoples' race cars. I get to say "You need this, or you ought to do that." and not have to come up with the cash for those ideas (yeah Mark, I'm talking about you, I know you lurk on this forum).
cheers, scott
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aerosaaber
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08/14/06 10:12 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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It's FWD
As for 200hp, I think that was pretty groundbreaking in the 70's for a 4 cylinder NA car. IIRC the EMS motors built for Rally were putting out 240hp from a 4 cyl NA car back in the late 70's. And that was an "achievement" for Honda in the late 90's;)
I love the "you need this aspect as well" except with this car it's "Alright I'll start making it" instead of "let's buy it" That's the most fun part, fabricating simple things like a panel to block off the trunk from the cabin. I beat a piece of 16 gauge steel for 4 hours to make a dimple for the power steering hoses (the car originally only came with a manual steering rack and we added an older 900 power steering rack). I hate Jesse James for making that shit look easy with all his experience and torches and hammers and dollies etc etc.
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ewraven
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08/14/06 11:07 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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I was going to say WTF, that engine is backwards? But then I remembered that those things are front wheel drive. It still looks odd though; the transmission actually sits that far out in front of the wheels?
Do Saabs still have the drivetrains situated like that?
Awesome pictures. Custom fabrication is the most fun part about modifying a vehicle. IMO
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aerosaaber
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08/14/06 11:12 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Here's some more pics, I'm bored right now and feel like sharing
Keep in mind these pics are "sort of" in order and span quite a long time, some of this work was done once, other things were visited multiple times, like the front suspension.
The previously mentioned "dimple" for the power steering hoses.
On the "let's make it" front, we needed a adaptor for the quick release to the steering wheel (an actual Momo Saab Rally Sport wheel), so The co driver machined one from aluminium
Need clearance for that motor? plasma cutter, of course
Now for the new panel (we made it) you can also see the whole where the shock tower was removed (it had already been removed and replaced by an adjustable spring perch). The steering rack is also in with plenty of clearance thanks to that lil' panel I made.
Last but not least a pretty sweet pic of Luke TIG welding something (I don't recall what though, the steering column is sitting to his left)
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aerosaaber
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08/14/06 11:15 PM
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Good use of the Swedish flag for accent colors. cheers, scott
According to the pics, that's the paint scheme they were using, I can't think of a better color combo tho, it just looks wicked.
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beerslurpy
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08/15/06 09:12 AM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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If I had to do a swedish rally car, I would probably do a volvo for the rwd.
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Awesome!!
I've been further immersed in Saabs as of late as I've been hanging out with boe from automotion's daughter. it's interesting to see some of the junk these guys do. and amazing how little things matter so much... (I feel like a hack)
you headed to the SOC? I guess it's "out your way" I get to miss that whole event as well. I HATE it. anyways.. that looks like a ton of fun. I'll be passing this along =0]
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SEANSE-R
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08/15/06 10:26 AM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Thanks for sharing.
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aerosaaber
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08/15/06 05:19 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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I was going to say WTF, that engine is backwards? But then I remembered that those things are front wheel drive. It still looks odd though; the transmission actually sits that far out in front of the wheels?
Do Saabs still have the drivetrains situated like that?
Awesome pictures. Custom fabrication is the most fun part about modifying a vehicle. IMO
It's FWD, the transmission sits underneath the motor, basically it's like the oil pan for the motor, that's why it's a problem with more power, there's no more room for stronger gears so any high output (more than like 250whp) tend to go through transmissions.
The classic style 900 was the last saab to have that setup, after that they went to longitudinally mounted engines.
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aerosaaber
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08/15/06 05:22 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Awesome!!
I've been further immersed in Saabs as of late as I've been hanging out with boe from automotion's daughter. it's interesting to see some of the junk these guys do. and amazing how little things matter so much... (I feel like a hack)
you headed to the SOC? I guess it's "out your way" I get to miss that whole event as well. I HATE it. anyways.. that looks like a ton of fun. I'll be passing this along =0]
I'm heading to SOC actually, and as of now the Rally car will be there too. My cousin has a newly redone 91 9K turbo that's nice, he's supposed to be there too. Non car people don't understand us, people in my office are like "you're going where to do what?" I think about explaining it and then decide I'd rather slam my head in the door.
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"WHERE'S BILL!!!??!" *SLAM* "WHERE'S BILL?!" *SLAM* "what's a SOC?!!" *SLAM*
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240sx805
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08/17/06 04:17 AM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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sweet car.
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MikeYOX
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08/18/06 09:50 AM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Now that's just awesome. Nothing I love seeing more than some custom fabrication.
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Nice! That car is really quite cool -- what upcoming events is it going to be entered in?
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tropicana
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08/18/06 10:40 AM
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That car is tits! Nice work
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Scargoes
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08/18/06 10:51 AM
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Wow! Who knew The Stig drove rally cars back in the day?
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aerosaaber
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08/18/06 05:57 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Not "the Stig" but Stig none the less, he still runs in US rallies (NASA and Rally America) IIRC he helped Saab put together 3 WRC championships in the 60's/70's.
Events forthcoming: Saab Owners Convention (lame by race standards as the cars don't move) Rally NY, Monticello NY Sep 22ish *fun times for sure* Black Water Stages, near Watertown NY October (1st weekend I think) it was pushed back from May for some reason.
Next year, if we do all the same events it will be Rally NY in spring STPR (western PA) Rally West Virginia (inbreds here we come) Rally NY fall Black water stages
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Scargoes
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08/18/06 09:04 PM
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Next year, if we do all the same events it will be Rally NY in spring STPR (western PA) Rally West Virginia (inbreds here we come) Rally NY fall Black water stages
You should convince him to make the trek west for Rim of the World Rally.
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good stuff
i'm even willing to put my saab hating aside just because of all the cool fabrication <3 <3 <3
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aerosaaber
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08/19/06 07:22 AM
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You see, that right there proves that car people can get along even if they hate the other guys car!
As far as rim of the world (my search showed california) I would bet he won't want to drive the truck that far and take 2 weeks off work to do it. Would be cool though.
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aerosaaber
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08/21/06 07:40 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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Yet another update
Now with custom Aluminium Radiator and new turbo -> intercooler pipes/couplers (no the turbo is not new, it's a used stock Garrett T3)
New Custom Side Mount with new intercooler-> throttle body connection
And the obligatory removal of something to make the intercooler work better
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Pretty clever(with the IC)...
I didn't notice... how's this thing managed? megasquirt? have you considered small puller-fan on the IC? it's a zero-pressure area surrounded by engine heat.. could be "bad"
anyways.. looks awesome!
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aerosaaber
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08/22/06 09:54 PM
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Re: Saab Rally History Video and Our Rally car pics *56Kperh
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it's got electromotive TEC2 management with a conservative dyno tune. Somewhere around 200whp.
There had been talk of an FMIC, but packaging would be an issue. The sidemount obviously isn't ideal, but at speed I don't think it will be that much of a problem, the stock intercooler on old 900's is the same setup and it seems to work ok at power levels we're working with. In addition to being a thicker core this intercooler outflows a stock 900 sidemount by like 4x. These two things should contribute favorably to performance. Eventually I think FMIC is the way to go, but then you have to worry about how much room there is, if it's low it'll need a guard of it's own.
I just remembered there was a pic and caption on the car from Grassroots Motorsports website http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/category/project-cars/1995-subaru-impreza-rallycrosser/ we're down almost to the bottom of that page. I'm happy that they said "It was super badass"
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