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Anyone know much about these things? The site I ordered them from said that 5000k is the closest that the OEM ones are. As such, I ordered 5000k. I only hope that the 5000k isn't too bright for oncoming traffic. I wouldn't have done this, but the Cube headlights really aren't all that great. And since I Cube a lot out in the woods, I really really need good headlamps. I got them from here... http://www.hidextra.com/ The coupon code and instructions for its use are here, it expires January 4th... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=466963&page=1 |
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Needs more 4300k. And by Bi-Xenon, do you mean a separate bulb for the highbeams, or a movable shield? |
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The lowest they have is 5000k for the type I use. They call it a bi-xenon "telescopic bulb"... http://www.hidextra.com/HID+Conversion+K...ersion+Kit.html Edit: they are both Low Beam and High Beam HID |
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Made in china junk. Some work, some do not. Half of the ones that do work buzz horribly and not during just startup. Some don't work when the temperatures drop. Still others just don't turn on. |
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I just got thinking about if they were made in China, then I read this on there site just now... Quote: WHY OUR BALLASTS ARE CONSIDERED THE BEST QUALITY : The most advanced HID ballasts made in China use a CPU programming controller (Digital Ballast). The program is so easy to copy that an electrical engineer could easily make this type of ballast in his living-room. This is why HID makers in China have grown so rapidly. These types of ballasts are not capable of real-time lamp monitoring (lamp current always changing). The operation is not smooth and safe, and then it causes many problems from electrical damage to possible fire loss. We used to sell these so called “Super Digital Ballasts”. The price was good and the quality was ok at first, and then a few months into our new product line the phone calls came pouring in. Blub out, ballast out, color faded, warning light on the dash, flicker problems, etc. Many customers always say that an HID system that is made in China is no good, and their one year warranty is difficult. In our testings of ballasts, we concluded the supposed 2000-3000 work hours were really only 500-1000 hours. Analog ballasts which most other sellers use only lasted 200-300 hours. ASIC HIDExtra ballasts are equipped with an ASIC chipset controller which, is the same type as HELLA(BMW, Mercedes HID Manufacturer); Matsushida (Nissan HID Manufacturer), etc. This type of chipset is very difficult to design, and cost our Engineering Department $600,000 to develop. This chipset has the capabilities of real-time lamp-monitoring and protection. HIDExtra chipset stabilizes the unit for perfect function at all times in all conditions. This crucial point is why our HID ballasts can last up to 10,000 Hours without any problems. HID bulb life is 5,000 hours using our ballast, compared to only 2,000 hours using CPU controller found in China ballasts. HIDExtra HID systems can be put in a class of quality that very few companies can reach. If you look at any company in our class you’ll see they all charge $1,000 + for the same system. |
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I hope you prove me wrong. However, even with the fancy description they are dancing around the fact that it is still made in china, but their china made junk is somehow better. Like I'm supposed to be impressed with their feedback system. Anyways, one thing has been certain when dealing with car electronics. If it is made in china it will cause you problems. GM pressure sensors. One made in china one in the USA. The one's in china are cheaper, and cause problems. Same with IAT's. Same with many of the "OEM" parts (like replacement coil packs) that you can buy at the auto parts chain stores. This is my personal experience, not "hate" or dislike. YMMV. |
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Well look at it this way... if it's a total failure at least it was only 84 bucks. |
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Thanks for the info. That is a good point, even with all that they say about them; they still didn't actually state that they are not made in China. I'll post up where they are made when I get them. It is funny how inexpensive these things have gotten. These things are not much more expensive than a pair of Silverstar bulbs. |
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Originally Posted By: spotch Well look at it this way... if it's a total failure at least it was only 84 bucks. Exactly, as long as they don't take out my ECU with them though. |
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Dude, you KNOW that with this kind of shit, you get you pay for. $84 HIDs? Gimme a break. Like you said, they're not much more than a pair of Silverstars. If things were actually getting that much cheaper to manufacture, Silverstars would cost a helluva lot less. And BTW, Silverstars fucking suck. I predict your OEM lights are going back in your car approx. 1 hour after you get the HIDs installed. |
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I think the OP should have just installed some relays and been done with it. Also, be prepared for all the pissed off drivers you are blinding by dropping HID's into reflector housings |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY I think the OP should have just installed some relays and been done with it. Also, be prepared for all the pissed off drivers you are blinding by dropping HID's into reflector housings I'll throw some relays in there to save the car electronics if I have to. Reading around on other forums, the warranty for them is two years and they are made in South Korea. They have pretty good reviews, both from a not blinding other drivers and reliability standpoint. |
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DRL's? |
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No, my car doesn't have daytime running lights. |
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I'm pooping right now. I bet my poop will have a similar spray-pattern to your hid's in a halogen reflector. |
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The kit will come with relays I assume.. I was more referring to using relays with the stock lights. Pulling power directly from the battery instead of through the stock wiring harness will usually lead to way better light output. |
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In reflector housings, these are going to be the worst. No offense, but I hate when cars coming the other way at me have this setup. A great way to blind oncoming traffic. |
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LOL, reminds me of the guys here in Okinawa running those cheap China HIDs. One of my friends went through three sets in 6 months. He finally gave up. I was tempted to throw a pair on the Skyline but waited it out when he told me the price and that they were made in China. |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY I think the OP should have just installed some relays and been done with it. Also, be prepared for all the pissed off drivers you are blinding by dropping HID's into reflector housings I think he's referring to these: headlight hardwire kits I've had them in EVERY car I've owned since '96 The wagon is the only exception, soley because the lights are REALLY bright, as-is. The 90Gs-t showed the most dramatic difference. BIG difference when I replaced the wire from the alternator to the fuse-box, and HUGE difference when I installed this harness with an h4 conversion. even bigger improvement when I went from 55/60w h4s to 75/90w bulbs. ps.. Dan, and anyone with a 1Ga, I recommend the upgrades I listed for night-driving. |
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when I did my civic yrs ago(they are still going strong fyi) i got bmw e60 projectors for cheap(locally...they are e55 projectors)not the best but good enough and they were more than half less than tsx/tl/s2k's. picked up a philips kit which came with balasts, bulbs(4300k) etc. total cost was like $400 which was pretty standard/decent back then. i put it all in myself and it looks awesome. hid's are win. that chinese made stuff is meh no projectors ftl it better have relays or lol its only $84 so... |
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Id love to retro a set onto the Si if I decide to keep it for the longterm. Seeing better in the dark is a big priority of mine, since 90% of the driving I do is at dark-thirty... |
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Originally Posted By: g96nt [quote=LNXGUY] ps.. Dan, and anyone with a 1Ga, I recommend the upgrades I listed for night-driving. 1g lights SUCK!!! PM me the exact kit you bought. I'm drunk right now and can't figure it out from the page you linked. |
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The kit looks like the Coway HID kits sold for the F-body's. I had the coway kit on the firebird, and one bulb went after a little over a year. One of the ballast is now bad after 3 years. Here's the kit I bought. |
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Originally Posted By: danl Originally Posted By: g96nt [quote=LNXGUY] ps.. Dan, and anyone with a 1Ga, I recommend the upgrades I listed for night-driving. 1g lights SUCK!!! PM me the exact kit you bought. I'm drunk right now and can't figure it out from the page you linked. you would need 3 things 1: headlight harness 2: H4 conversion "bulbs" ebay Osram night breakers Puts you right about $100, but if you daily a 1ga, and drive at night, it's a HUGE upgrade. If you haven't, make a nice 6G double-eyelet'd wire to run straight from the alternator to the main maxifuse. the original wiring is shit. |
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Daily drive a 1g, you retarded son? Fuck no. J/K |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY The kit will come with relays I assume.. I was more referring to using relays with the stock lights. Pulling power directly from the battery instead of through the stock wiring harness will usually lead to way better light output. Hmm, I've never even considered that. I'd heard of the grounding kits and stuff but not of this. That sounds like a very good idea. If these new HID's do blind other drivers, I'll return them. I certainly don't want to be causing accidents or be blinding other people. |
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I purchased a "cheap" HID kit for my car like 2 years ago right after I bought it. My headlights were already projectors so the light pattern was good however both bulbs would almost never fire up at the same time. I would always have to click the lights off and back on to fire whichever light didn't come on the first time. I did some research and everyone said get the harness to the battery with relays so I did...no difference. I ended up taking them out. Hopefully yours are better. |
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I hope these aren't shitty ones. I guess I am going to be finding out. In any case, I"ll be keeping the OEM bulbs stored in the Cube just in case I need them. |
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phillips ftw |
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I have a Phillips kit (Cost me $350) for my SRT-4. It looked pretty good in terms of cut off and brightness to oncomers (tested it several times). But it only had one input to turn it on. Quite often, it would turn on on it's own and then would only turn off when the car stopped. That and lack of high beams led me to take them out after a couple weeks. |
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how would it turn on on its own? sounds like a wiring/electrical issue to me. did you use relays when you wired it up? lack of high beams? its called bi xenon projector. theres no such thing as an hid bulb with high beam capability like a standard bulb. you have to run a second set of lights OR a bixenon projector which has a movable shield. thats exactly what an srt4 would need. (bi xenon projector.. same bmw ones i have, audi rs6 etc) i have mine all set up though i rarely use my high beams. i shouldve just gone with tsx projectors since i rarely use my high beams. but im still happy with the bmw projectors. philips is the best kit out there. unless you bought some philips kit that had been modified to run in a halogen housing? if so then thats fail. hidplanet forums ftw |
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You can get HID bulbs with dual bulbs for bixenon or a moveable shield. I know it's fucked, but I've seen them I still need to get those TL projectors retro'd into the Jetta. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric how would it turn on on its own? sounds like a wiring/electrical issue to me. did you use relays when you wired it up? Yes. They were wired correctly. It was literally a +/- connection through relays, but it only used one existing light bulb plug in to turn both bulbs on (the other stock plug would be left unplugged). IIRC, it had something to do with the SRT-4's DRL's being wired with the headlights. It wouldn't just randomly turn on, but when you started the car, sometimes the HID's went on instead of the DRL's and once they were on, only turning the car off could change that. Quote: lack of high beams? its called bi xenon projector. No shit? Thanks for that insight. At the time, they didn't make those in a kit and most people talked about how great the low beams were, so high beams weren't required. The cutoff was pretty good, so I thought I still needed some decent high beams since I did a good bit of country and night driving. |
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ah, see the way I did it was to just unplug the drl fuse and thus taking it out of the equation. if i wanted some drl lights i could just turn the side markers on. i dont think i even attempted to run it with the fuse in since i didnt want to use the hid as my drl's(personal choice) never was bothered by cops if i didnt have anything on since so many cars still out there without them anyways. you can easily source the projectors and put them in yourself...(or couldve then) the low beams are good and ive read some people complaining about the cut off being to drastic out in the boonies but it never bothered me. i rarely use them and see quite a bit of country/night driving..but thats just me. |
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Headlights? In SvA? |
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I agree.... headlights seem to be a perennial topic here, though. |
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hid retro is a worthwhile upgrade for any car that doesnt have it. its so good i wouldnt even call it rice because it helps so much at night. cant argue with better vision at night for those late night toogay runs |
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Yeah. HID's mattered a lot to me, I wouldn't consider a car without them. Nothing worse than driving down a road at night and overdriving your headlights while not even speeding. |
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Originally Posted By: Impulsive Nothing worse than driving down a road at night and overdriving your headlights while not even speeding. That is the problem with my Cube headlights. Just going fifty five miles per hour out in the country, I am overdriving them. I definitely am not doing this upgrade for the rice aspect or whatever. It is all about the functionality. |
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very true! but to give some credit some of the newer cars halogens are quite good these days. still not on par with hid but a lot better tahn they used to be |
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Ricer phaggotz. All of you. Sealed beam f0 lyf3, nukkaz. |
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Found out somthing the other day. If you have a mid 90s GM with auto headlights , don't put in HIDs. A co-worker installed some on his lumina and it cooked the headlight swtich. |
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Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver Found out somthing the other day. If you have a mid 90s GM with auto headlights , don't put in HIDs. A co-worker installed some on his lumina and it cooked the headlight swtich. He didn't bother to install relays? |
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No sir. He did deffinately install relays.He had installed this same set of HIDs into his CRX ,in which they work great. They are a hella kit at 4300k, and even in the stock CRX non-projector houseing , they are way way brighter then stock bulbs. They are even way brighter then the 80 watt bulbs with relays. |
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Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver No sir. He did deffinately install relays.He had installed this same set of HIDs into his CRX ,in which they work great. They are a hella kit at 4300k, and even in the stock CRX non-projector houseing , they are way way brighter then stock bulbs. They are even way brighter then the 80 watt bulbs with relays. If he installed relays, how the fuck did he melt his headlight switch? The entire point of the relay is to skip the shitty stock wiring and pull power directly from the battery. That's fucked up |
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We still don't know what the fuck happend. We had to by-pass the switch completely and wire in a toggle swtich for his low beams. The high beams still work off the headlight swtich. There is somthing odd about this car though. It has DRLs but they run off the low beam , which I have never seen before. Every other car i've seen with seperate high and low bulbs uses the high beams for DRLs. We think it has somthing to do with the DRLs. |
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I just discovered this awesome article about HID conversion kits... http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html I did not realize that these things were illegal for road use and Daniel Stern's article makes a lot of sense just reinforcing what some of you are have posted. That HID kit should be here at my house on Thursday. I guess I'll return it. I don't even want to try it out now after reading that article. Oh well, so much for that nutswinging episode! |
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Meh. Nothing is optimal, but I'd rather gamble $85 on a HID kit than waste money on shitty Silverstars. |
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Word? I've had really good luck with Silverstars |
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I ran a set of HID dropins in a pair ecodes in my Jetta a while ago. Light was way better then stock and I never got highbeamed by anyone.. The kit I had did have a lower shield though, which helped a lot with the glare. They've been removed and I am currently running stock lights again waiting to do a retro with some TL bi-xenon projectors. |
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Originally Posted By: FCobra94 Word? I've had really good luck with Silverstars I've never had much luck with them. They are expensive here, I've had them burn out within a year and never really noticed more light. I tried Nighthawks too - again, no noticeable light increase. I'd be tempted to try a higher wattage bulb and use relays. This is why I just try and find a car with HID's stock (or at least projectors). |
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Originally Posted By: Impulsive Originally Posted By: FCobra94 Word? I've had really good luck with Silverstars I've never had much luck with them. They are expensive here, I've had them burn out within a year and never really noticed more light. I tried Nighthawks too - again, no noticeable light increase. I'd be tempted to try a higher wattage bulb and use relays. This is why I just try and find a car with HID's stock (or at least projectors). I've used and sold just about every aftermarket bulb on the market. Nighthawks are garbage so are sliverstars. The only bulb i've liked are PIAAs, although they are expensive. I had a pair of PIAA 9006s in the grand am for over 3 years before I crashed it. I've seen a great deal of HID conversions around here , most of them we sell out of our store. Yes some of the time they don't do much better then stock bulbs , however i've seen many that produce much better then stock light. As long as you stay below the 8k color spectrum you won't get an hassle for the law either. Still nothing is as good a proplery designed projector with an HID , my 530 has better beam projection then any retro fit kit. |
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Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver Still nothing is as good a proplery designed projector with an HID , my 530 has better beam projection then any retro fit kit. that wil depend on the quality of the job and the actual projector. bmw not having the best...(not knocking at all. ive run e60 projectors in my civic for 3+ yrs) |
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Any of you guys running 9005 or 9006 bulbs try the Toshiba H1R's? |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: Quad4_driver Still nothing is as good a proplery designed projector with an HID , my 530 has better beam projection then any retro fit kit. that wil depend on the quality of the job and the actual projector. bmw not having the best...(not knocking at all. ive run e60 projectors in my civic for 3+ yrs) Thats pretty much what i meant. I've seen lots of aftermarket projector coversions with HIDs that are great. |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Any of you guys running 9005 or 9006 bulbs try the Toshiba H1R's? No i had not even heard of them before either. I've just spent the last 2 hours trying to find info on them. There seems to be a lot of car forum talk , but no offical Toshiba web site for them. Some of car forums say these came in newer vipers. However my computer at work says Vipers come with a D1S ,which is an HID. EDIT: This website lists an number of cars that he claims come with these HIR lights http://hirheadlights.com/ However according to my computer system at work , all of them except the Avalance use HIDs. The Avalance used 9006/9005 on older ones, and H11s on new ones. |
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Is there any good way to get OEM-like HIDs in a not originally equipped vehicle? I'd like to upgrade mine (with a drop in kit.) |
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The H1R's are also used in John Deere farm tractors... I think I might try a set in the ZR2 when the current bulbs take a shit. |
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Originally Posted By: Stock94si Is there any good way to get OEM-like HIDs in a not originally equipped vehicle? I'd like to upgrade mine (with a drop in kit.) well if yuo dont want to do the retro yourself(which isnt hard..just takes some time) im sure you can find someone somewhat near you who will do it for you OR who sells them already done. ive seen that for most cars in the last couple yrs. theres always 1 guy(or so it seems) of each type of popular light making a wack of them and just selling the lights with the projector already installed. you just wire in your kit and off you go. check hid planet forums(they are very helpful) and your suby board of choice. im sure someone is offering that service for your car. there might even be a local shop that will do it for you(but obviously youd want to see finished products first) |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY Any of you guys running 9005 or 9006 bulbs try the Toshiba H1R's? I'm using them for my high beams in my legacy. The HIR bulbs have a special glass shape and coating that reflects alot of the heat produced by the filament back into itself to produce more heat and as a result more light. My wife has an RDX and the H1Rs kick her stock high beams to the damned curb. It's real bad. I also run the Osram rally bulbs that are 65w watts for low beams which are very good for a non-HID setup. Someone mentioned Daniel Stern above, that is the guy to ask about optimum bulb setup for the cube or any car. He suggested the bulbs for my car and I couldn't be happier. |
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Cool Dan, I was hoping to get some feedback from someone who had tried them out. Looks like I'm going to order a set for the truck. |
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Where do you order them? |
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Originally Posted By: Impulsive Where do you order them? http://hirheadlights.com/ |
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