Professor PakiAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/07 10:03 PM
So a supra just dominated...

...the texas mile. Amazing that it beat out the vipers. Eddie Bello had a 911 there, ran 210+, forget the exact number.

That is absolutely mindblowing. The supra went 228, I cant even imagine what that kind of power feels like. It must pull in fifth like mine does in second. Full interior, and apparently 200rwhp left on the table too! (hehe, in the ricer world, even when you run 228mph in the mile theres an excuse or two).







CommonGutterTrash
(Post Master Sr)
10/07/07 10:20 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I LOVE the full interior...

I'm nowhere NEAR that league, but I'm doing EVERYTHING to keep the interior of the eclipse 100% stock.

no gauges of any sort.

228 is CRAZY..that's a standing mile, right? imagine a good 3-mile strip...


ErikB
(Post Master Sr)
10/07/07 10:22 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Damn, that turbo could eat babies. I bet the C.o.d. helps it against the vipers. No roll cage in it? Scary.

Didn't bello's car used to run 9's (1/4mi) years and years ago?


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/07 10:27 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

The COD of a fixed roof Viper isn't too bad IIRC. I have a MT with the standing mile test and it took a 1000WH Viper to run 217 mph, so 228 is WOW.

ScottStaypuff
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/07 10:31 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I think I'd be too chicken to participate in the Texas Mile.

skierd
(Post Master Sr)
10/07/07 10:43 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I found out that there is a similar event run at an old air base in Maxton, NC. They have 5-6 events a year and its less than a day's drive away so I'm thinking about checking it out next spring.

Nealoc187
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/07 10:46 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I didn't know Eddie Bello was out of prison lol.

228 standing mile is just retarded. I wonder what teh aych-peez are.


zc911
(Post Master Supreme)
10/07/07 11:02 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

holy shit

any more info on the car?


neonmike22
(Post Master Sr)
10/07/07 11:35 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I wonder what a supercar with real aero would do, like one of those crazy turbo S7s or something.

Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/07 12:20 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

IIRC, R&T had a 750 hp Saleen S7 and it ran about 207 in the standing mile on it's "street" tires. Not sure what the Veyron does.

Krisiun
(Sr Member)
10/08/07 02:25 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: neonmike22
I wonder what a supercar with real aero would do, like one of those crazy turbo S7s or something.


Well to put it into perspective, the Shelby SSC, which is the current fastest production car with a top speed of 256mph did that speed over 12 miles. It pushes 1183hp and 1094 ft. lbs. of torque. So for a full interior Supra to do 228 in a mile is amazing in my opinion.

Oh and the start of Tommy Bahns run, sounds kinda mean no?
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/stephisa/?action=view¤t=texasmile127.flv


Krisiun
(Sr Member)
10/08/07 02:48 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Tommys Setup for this year off of Supraforums.com

I just finished putting on the big brake kit, road race suspension and 19" Fikse (i had the drag setup on the car since its up running 2 weeks ago). We are planning to be at Texasmile this saturday to break some new record...220+mph. The setup of the car as of now is 3.4L stroker and a Garrett GT4718R, 19" fikse with 305-30-19 Yokohama Advan Sport. I also have the Paisley CF lip and the RMM wing. I will have the same camera setup on the car, one on the windshield and one on the cage right between the seats. There will be 2-3 more cameras from the outside.

According to Garrett that turbo is rated at approx. 1400 hp
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT47/GT4718R_769112_7.html


morpheus
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 09:45 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I bet I could hit 90 in a mile with my truck

Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 10:21 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

That is what it's like driving a 400hp civic. First... err second.. err. third... errr.. ahhh fourth... err... ahhh fifth... yeah.. fifth!

The other kind of strugglez (the supra, the civic is the regular strugglez).


ErikB
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 11:01 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

damn! Hey, what did that SVS viper run? (the stars and stripes)

Destro909
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 11:38 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: ErikB
No roll cage in it?


i see a cage


RacerXI
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 12:46 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Holy shit.

ErikB
(Post Master Sr)
10/08/07 01:54 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: Destro909
 Originally Posted By: ErikB
No roll cage in it?


i see a cage


yeah, I didn't see it in the initial pics he posted above. It would be suicidal if he didn't have one.


NighthawkSiSedan
(Major Member)
10/08/07 01:59 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Damn he just kept on spinning. So much power.

90TGP
(Post Master)
10/08/07 04:18 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Probably took him half a mile just to spool that turbo. He could have gone a little faster if he had smaller, lighter wheels. I don't know if it's just me, but I think I would have tried to find a bigger wing and add some front canard's to keep it on the ground.

Krisiun
(Sr Member)
10/08/07 07:33 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: 90TGP
Probably took him half a mile just to spool that turbo. He could have gone a little faster if he had smaller, lighter wheels. I don't know if it's just me, but I think I would have tried to find a bigger wing and add some front canard's to keep it on the ground.


Did you watch the video? He had the turbo spooled off the line, granted it may not have been at full boost, but it was spooling as he left.
Fikse wheels have a good reputation for building a quality wheel. He may have went up in size for a gearing reason. All I could find was what I posted above.


Krisiun
(Sr Member)
10/08/07 09:49 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

The Veyron does 204 in the standing mile
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3e772fbf-2edd-4d06-b913-998b01873e7d.htm

For those that don't frequent supraforums, these are two posts from that forum.


Great post Ken! A few poihttp://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1927680
So a supra just dominated... - ClubSints to consider...

1. I saw Tommy's AEM log, he hit a PEAK of 32 psi in 5th gear, not 36 psi as you stated above.

2. Tommy revved it to 9320 rpm in 5th gear (again, I saw the log). When you are moving at 220+ mph, by the time you push the clutch in, shift from 5th to 6th, and get back on the gas, you've covered a 1/4 mile. No point in shifting to 6th at the mile.

Peter

Hi guys,
Just got in after a long hot day. I made a total of 4 passes, test pass.....165, shake down low boost 202 and then more boost 212....222 on the last pass spinning on 4th up to 170 mph on 19" street tires Yokohama Advan Sport.....

Iam going back tomorrow with Peter, Duy and some local friends and look for a 230
Iwill get you guys more info and pictures of the car soon

The VSV Viper is not in my class, it is in Unlimited Race class not unlimited street clas that im in.

As of right now im just set the NEW record for the street class unless someone goes faster then 222.34 mph tomorrow.

The setup is ABM 3.4L stroker built with Titan kit, ABM head, Garrett GT4718R on Full Race manifold and 5" DP/MP/Exhaust and a Tilton Quad

As for exterior stock body except for the RMM wing and Paisley front lip.


Professor PakiAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/08/07 10:44 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

A buddies 840rwhp supercharged Z06 ran 189mph at the shootout. Gives you some idea of how that damn supra must be moving.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 12:04 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

thats retardo....even with all that spinning to get up to that speed. amazing!

Professor PakiAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 12:36 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I talked to my buddy who went with the vette. His 1100hp 911 turbo had tranny issues so it didnt make it there, and the vette kept nosing over in sixth, I was incorrect, he ran a best of 177mph with the car not running 100%.

Apparently Tommy (owner of the supra) ran the 228mph on the second day after switching to 18 inch wheels, which allowed him to hook in third. Eddie Bellos car was a riot.....it practically lifted the tires in the first couple of gears and then parts literally started flying off it.....including the sunroof.

They need to do something like this in CA. I'd be all over it. Running flat out to very high speed is a rush and a half, much, much more exciting than the 1320.


Submission
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 02:31 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Texas mile is for slackers. Just do it on I10 like everyone else.
Actually kinda sad i haven't made it out there since the 1st one and I really can't wait to get a car ready for Ft Stockton.


SiAdam
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 08:44 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

So did this Supra just come out of nowhere or has he been after it for some time....



Professor PakiAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 09:32 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Its the same car that set the record last year.

Krisiun
(Sr Member)
10/09/07 12:38 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Actually it isn't the same car. The car from last year was an anthracite 95 supra. This year he bought an 11k mile Quicksilver hardtop 98 (the rarest supra model available in the US). Last year he was running a built 3 liter with a smaller turbo. He actually bought the car from Peter Blach (organizer of the TX2K meets).
I know its spliting hairs, but I have been following Tommy, Peter and SW's various cars ever since I had my Supra way back when.


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10/09/07 03:03 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

that's nucking futs

MikeY2kSS
(Post Master Sr)
10/09/07 03:35 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Does it still run 12's in the 1/4???
Something like 12.3@185?
/lol@old joke.


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10/09/07 05:49 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats retardo....even with all that spinning to get up to that speed. amazing!


The spinning actually helps I think to a certian extent.
I know it does at the dragstrip vs hooking and bogging, or just feeding in
enough throttle to not spin.
By spinning and still accelerating at a decent rate, read moderate slippage,
your putting down more hp. That way your not bogging the engine, and will
achieve a faster speed, but not a faster time to cover the same distance.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 07:11 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

ya after I replied ,I was thinking about how it helps with traps at the drags.... but wasnt sure if it would here... probably would even more so

Scargoes
(Post Master Sr)
10/09/07 08:30 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: BigBadBlack93Z
Texas mile is for slackers. Just do it on I10 like everyone else.


And here I thought everyone did it on I-15 on the way to Vegas.


A_MantisAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/09/07 08:32 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

HOT DAMN. \:o

Nealoc187
(Post Master Supreme)
10/10/07 02:24 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: ErikB
damn! Hey, what did that SVS viper run? (the stars and stripes)


a guy I know (charles) tuned that car. he's a good friend of one of my best friends. the guys there at that shop are all awesome, the driver of that car (Ron Jr.) ran the dyno when I dyno'd there. he and his dad let us have the run of the place one saturday, there are some retarded cars being put together in there all the time but they made us promise not to give away any setups or take any pictures or video of any setups. it was pretty frickin cool.


homer
(Jr Member)
10/13/07 02:20 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Very impressive - the Hennessey Viper in the R&T shootout did 220 in the mile (beating the Veyron as well)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=5675


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/13/07 01:23 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: 00Formula
 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
thats retardo....even with all that spinning to get up to that speed. amazing!


The spinning actually helps I think to a certian extent.
I know it does at the dragstrip vs hooking and bogging, or just feeding in
enough throttle to not spin.
By spinning and still accelerating at a decent rate, read moderate slippage,
your putting down more hp. That way your not bogging the engine, and will
achieve a faster speed, but not a faster time to cover the same distance.


You're a tool. He isn't spinning the tires to keep the motor in the powerband. he is trying furiously with his right foot to keep the turbo moderately spooled.

That car doesn't make dick for power before the turbo spools, and if he could put down the traction limit it's faster than spinning.

Period.

If you had a spinning/burning out tire and I had one that was stationary I could create a stronger co-efficient of friction, and if we both put our tires on a plank I could pull it away from you.

If I can apply more power, then I can accelerate faster. Race cars don't go skidding around corners for at least two reasons: 1 is scrubing speed, but the other is because there is more traction available, more force to keep your car on the road, when the tires are not slipping.

Y`know the scrub scrub before the chirp chirp? Well the scrub scrub is the most you can get out of a tire, and when you go chirp chirp you're also going slower.


kyden
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/07 05:12 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

you're missing the point. race car drivers are trying to beat a 'clock'. the point of this is to have the greatest "trap" at the end of the mile. anyone who's ever been to a dragstrip understands this. when you spin, you end up with a higher trap speed, but a shittier time. in this case, no one actually cares about the ET

Professor PakiAdministrator
(Post Master Supreme)
10/13/07 08:27 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Chuck you beat me to it.

Also, I recall that optimum acceleration occurs with the tires spinning about 10% faster than if they had full traction?


Nealoc187
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/07 03:42 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Unless someone can show me some mathematics to substantiate the claim, I will continue to refute the old wives tale that spinning your tires makes for faster trap speeds. In my experience, that has never been the case. The only time I've found it to hold true is in comparison to a bogging situation.

Full traction acceleration > wheel spinning acceleration


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/14/07 02:38 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Slip angle in a turn is, to some degree(lol punny), about scrubbing speed you would otherwise brake off. There are too many complicated aspects involved in track racing vs. this idea of force applied and traction.

But in the end the tire that has already lost traction (maybe 7* doesn't slip the tire?) can apply less force.

This is ultra basic physics. Things require X to start sliding, and X-Y to keep sliding. The difference, or the Y value, exists. I think we're done?


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/14/07 02:44 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: pakisho
Apparently Tommy (owner of the supra) ran the 228mph on the second day after switching to 18 inch wheels, which allowed him to hook in third.


Experiencowned. Well, we have shitty anecdotal evidence supporting both sides, but Newtonian physics supporting only 1.

I think you're wrong.


**DONOTDELETE**
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10/14/07 04:59 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Every real world experience at the drag strip has shown me that slight tire slippage produces higher traps and higher ET's.
Hooking will produce a lower ET and lower trap speed.


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/14/07 06:31 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: 00Formula
Every real world experience at the drag strip has shown me that slight tire slippage produces higher traps and higher ET's.
Hooking will produce a lower ET and lower trap speed.


Except for when this supra put on sticker tires and trapped higher.


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/14/07 06:36 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

It seems the 7* slip angle is to put a new load on the tire which improves traction.

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10/14/07 07:51 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: Mr. Knowitall.
Except for when this supra put on sticker tires and trapped higher.


Notice the term "slight slippage". Of course if you put 6" wide snow tires on a 1000rwhp car your not going to trap very high, due to extreme slippage.

I'm sure he still had slippage even with the sticker tires, correct?

Excessive slipping is just as bad as bogging the engine from too much grip if
your worried about trap speed.


BeeKiller
(Post Master)
10/14/07 08:34 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Heres the in car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU8DxXhwdSI


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
10/14/07 10:32 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I wonder if he pedaled a bit more if it woudl help..?

nothing like driving 200+ mph with one hand on the wheel


BeeKiller
(Post Master)
10/14/07 10:52 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

If the shits gonna go sour at 200+ I dont think it matters if you had 10 hands on the wheel.

John Titor
(Post Master Sr)
10/15/07 12:50 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: homer
Very impressive - the Hennessey Viper in the R&T shootout did 220 in the mile (beating the Veyron as well)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=5675



that story was a good read. i remember it saying the viper could've kept going had it had more road (or runway)


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/15/07 05:42 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

I think basic frictional physics don't apply to the tire/pavement interface.

We had a thread a couple years back and theoretically, the contact patch of the tire doesn't change frictional force, but we all know you hook better with bigger tires. Why? My guess is that tires, tire treads, asphalt are not theoretically ideal. They are not smooth and there is likely some additional frictional forces occuring beyond the normal force and coefficient.


BeeKiller
(Post Master)
10/17/07 08:01 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: 98_1LE
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Knowitall.
 Originally Posted By: pakisho
Apparently Tommy (owner of the supra) ran the 228mph on the second day after switching to 18 inch wheels, which allowed him to hook in third.


Experiencowned. Well, we have shitty anecdotal evidence supporting both sides, but Newtonian physics supporting only 1.

I think you're wrong.
Somehow I missed this gold last time I read this thread.

Technically you are 100% wrong (IMO). Without some slip, it is not possible to get a car moving. With an auto, the torque converter slips. In a stick car, it neither the tires nor the clutch slips, either something breaks or the motor stalls; 100% of the time.

Whats Newton got to say about dat?


Or... You do a wheelie. You are right, something has to give for a car to go from a stop to motion.

Suspension setup has more to do with how well a car "hooks" than the tires do (to an extent). I have seen cars, similar horsepower, one with good suspension and crap radials, one with crap suspension and slicks, and had the car with the radial tires stay right at the door of the slicked up car.


Mr. Knowitall.
(Post Master Sr)
10/18/07 11:24 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: 98_1LE
 Originally Posted By: Mr. Knowitall.
 Originally Posted By: pakisho
Apparently Tommy (owner of the supra) ran the 228mph on the second day after switching to 18 inch wheels, which allowed him to hook in third.


Experiencowned. Well, we have shitty anecdotal evidence supporting both sides, but Newtonian physics supporting only 1.

I think you're wrong.
Somehow I missed this gold last time I read this thread.

Technically you are 100% wrong (IMO). Without some slip, it is not possible to get a car moving. With an auto, the torque converter slips. In a stick car, it neither the tires nor the clutch slips, either something breaks or the motor stalls; 100% of the time.

Whats Newton got to say about dat?


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Are you kidding me? We are discussing the amount of forward acceleration a tire can generate, and you run in here all retarded yelling, "YOU NEED TO SLIP THE CLUTCH TO GET THE CAR TO START ROLLING!!!"

No shit dude; we are discussing the amount of acceleration the tire can generate when you're in gear driving.


qksl2
(Post Master Sr)
10/19/07 10:10 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
I think basic frictional physics don't apply to the tire/pavement interface.

We had a thread a couple years back and theoretically, the contact patch of the tire doesn't change frictional force, but we all know you hook better with bigger tires. Why? My guess is that tires, tire treads, asphalt are not theoretically ideal. They are not smooth and there is likely some additional frictional forces occuring beyond the normal force and coefficient.


Most physics professors will suggest it is due to the superior distribution of heat of the larger tire.

I will add that a larger tire will make up for the lack of the suspension's ability to control and dampen rapid suspension movements, by simply having more tire everywhere; more likely that some of it is hitting the ground. Its not a good way to go, but it is the case.

Ian


Impulsive
(Post Master Supreme)
10/19/07 10:39 AM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Heat or no heat, you get more traction with a larger tire.

A physic professor is looking at is F=Nu (mornal force times a coefficient). I'm arguing that there are more forces at play than that, otherwise, pizza cutters would give good traction (even prior to any heat).


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11/21/07 11:24 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

Old thread, but I just wanted to point out the amount of slippage in the Supra that trapped 228mph vs this TT Ford GT that trapped 222 mph.

Supra vid already posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU8DxXhwdSI

TT Ford GT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnoT0vXVnsE

For this effort I think the Supra had the superior launch, wheelspinrevlimiterbouncing.
The GT bogged on the 222.2mph run, though he tried to launch like the supra
and ended up in the dirt on the third try

Edit: Count the shifts too
Supra shifts 5 times, using all 6 gears
Ford GT shifts 4 times using only 5 gears


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11/22/07 12:25 PM
Re: So a supra just dominated...

that supra is badical