Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:15 AM
Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Eldest kid has not been feeling well since Sunday night. Lethargic, no appetite and threw up a few times. Thinking it was a bug, we kept her home from camp but now wife is getting concerned. I say ok, will make an appointment with the pediatrician in the morning but she goes and calls telehealth. And what do they say when you call them at 9pm...go to hospital.

Was going to fight it but at this point I knew the fight was lost before it even started so off I go with the kid. Get there at 9:45pm and wait. Had to shuffle seats a few time to jockey closer to the desk as you can't hear them calling names behind two walls of glass and not even trying to speak loudly. Then we waited.

Finally got to register her in at the second station, it is 10:30 now. Waiting. Get to second seating area and waited, it is now pushing midnight. They call us..yay..no. Now in pediatrics waiting area. Now in the bowels of the hospital, no cell signal and no wifi...waiting, can't call wife to say fuck it.

2:45am, still waiting. There is a screaming baby here and a mother that is at wits end with it to be quiet. 3:30ish get moved into the room to see doc..wait, this is just the general area that the adults are being viewed as well, so much for pediatrics. 4am-ish, see doc, gets a sample and wait some more. Results are in, get a script for antibiotics and on our way home at 5am.

Oh and I woke up at 5am the prevous morning to work out...so been awake for 24 hours at this point


Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:21 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Fucking liberal voters.

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:28 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

fuuuuu sounds like a brutal night.

what hospital?


f22b-dohc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:40 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

hope your kiddo is ok.

our lesson was to go straight to sick kids...


Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:46 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

East york. Didn't want to deal with the crazies at scarb general so went to our old stomping grounds. Never had it this bad before.

She is doing ok, just that general iky feeling where you just want to rest.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:51 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

East York General is the woooooooooooooooooooooooooooorst place. Wait lines are so fucked up and unjustified.

I once waited 8 hours to be seen there when I thought my appendicitis was on its way to burst...with NO ONE IN THE WAITING ROOM before me or after me.

Fuck that shithole.


loudsubz
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 11:39 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

its worth the drive to parry sound

Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 11:51 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
its worth the drive to Georgetown


c2k
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 12:15 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Wow. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully everything works out in the end.

Side note - I had 2 ultrasounds in the last 3 months and the hospital misplaced the scans results twice. I have to go back on Monday for a third scan. \:\(


markw
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 12:52 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: loudsubz
its worth the drive to parry sound


Last three times I went to Ajax/Pickering (wtfever it's called now) Longest of the three visits was 4 hours... other two were under 2.


f22b-dohc
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 01:18 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
East york. Didn't want to deal with the crazies at scarb general so went to our old stomping grounds. Never had it this bad before.


ugh east york..- its the closest one to us right now... they sent my wife an ambulance bill and it was for the other kid...- sorted out.

last last time i was there and i ordered tims:

tims guy: how can i help you?
me: i'd like a ham swiss sammich
tims guy: we dont have any bread right now...
fat kid me: that's ok, cheese croissant then.
tims guy: why would you want that???
me: CAUSE ITS GOOD??????? \:D \:D


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 02:12 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

you donkey i was working last night should have came by nygh and i would have gotten you seen in no time.

and telehealth is the most nonsense thing taxpayers pay money for. If they say not to go to the ER and go see your family doc tomorrow and something happens to you then that's a lawsuit; so to be safe they tell everyone to go to the ER. so stupid. they are also lying sacks of shit too, they always say that they fax the ER to let them know that you're coming in ahead of time and what the deal is, i've been working here for 10 years and i've gotten about...2.


Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 04:08 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Ugh had to take one of the twins to a dentist appointment today too , this day just doesn't end. East york is usually good with kids. They have (had) the pediatrics emerg so going with kids was usually a snap. Meh gonna take a nap.

Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 04:24 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Yup, you finally got a taste of the clusterfuck that is Canadian healthcare. Free healthcare for all, except for middle earners like you and me, its not free at all. For the taxes we pay, the service is absolute shit.

Fuck it, let me take my tax money and pay for private insurance so I can access a private hospital. If that isn't an option, the keep my taxes to fund the public system, and give me the option to purchase additional insurance to access a private hospital (Like Australia). Of course that isn't going to happen, because everyone has to have the same shit level of service, despite not paying the same.

Socialism sucks


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 05:53 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

you a middle earner? gtfo

porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 09:31 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

I was typing something here earlier today and just backed out.
If it wasn't titty, I would still be waiting for my MRI date.


Hope you kid gets better OP.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:00 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

being awake for 24hrs absolutely sucks.

but Im thikning, wtf did you expect? Unless you role up with a real emergency on your hands you best be getting an ass donut, cause you will be there for a while.


porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:16 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Euphoricuck
wtf did you expect? Unless you role up with a real emergency on your hands you best be getting an ass donut, cause you will be there for a while.




That's not normal.
Patients should not be waiting for hours to see a doctor.
Your jaw will drop when you get out of this little pond with your perfect free healthcare and experience good medical system in other countries.

You've been arguing how great Canadian healthcare is for years, and now say people should expect hours of waiting at hospitals?

Bravo.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/24/16 10:36 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

what is normal?

You roll into ER at 10 at night with a non emergency. Guess what the fuck you will be doing?


Ive never argued "how great" Canadian healthcare is. I just laugh at the faux outrage. And the few(mainly you and canuck) constantly bitching about it, especially you with your ear story. LAWL.
And that its not nearly as bad as you two cry babies portray.

A huge issue for OP was the fact he was up for 24 damn hours. that hurts, and makes the situation a million times worse... but no one said being a parent was easy ;\)

You think there is no order in the ER? They know whats going on. If you need the care right away you get it.

Ideally in this situation he shoudlve gone to his family doctor/pediatrician, not the ER. But thats what teleheatlh told them...good advice or not. Thats for you to decide. OP's gut instinct was right on.

There are always room for improvements. But in todays world of expanding debt and belt tightening I wouldnt expect drastic changes anytime soon. In the meantime, the system generally gets the job done. So ya, you had to sit and wait 6 hrs for something that coudlve(and shoudlve) been dealt with OUTSIDE of EMERGENCY... again, what did you expect?


titty can't always be there to grease the wheels for you.


Take aways:
1.use telehealth as another tool. Not the end all be all answer for your situation
2. Keep ER visits for ... emergencies.

/shit happens, OP went to ER. Had to wait, kid got script. Life moves on. I look forward to porschetrs next hospital complaint thread after he waited for hours because of a paper cut.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 05:10 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

There you have it folks, now you know how to live life.

Denis Si
(Post Master)
08/25/16 06:39 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Rofl I love these threads

Denis Si
(Post Master)
08/25/16 06:39 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Wtf titty has a hookup ? WHERE AT? IM COMING MEOW

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 07:06 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

You're welcome

c2k
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 07:56 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

well..

you can get your penis removed and be covered by OHIP, but not the cancer removal surgery.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/08/24/ive...ayor-rips-wynne

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/2...ector-macmillan

http://news.nationalpost.com/health/mayo...ancer-treatment


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 08:20 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Except Euphoric has no clue. My mom moved from Milton, to Toronto, and couldn't find a family doctor. My wife had to pull strings just to get her family doctor to take her. There are hardly any clinics accepting new patients (Given the way the gov't claws back OHIP fees, I totally understand why. I had a long discussion with the doctor who owns the cottage next door). A walk in clinic is your only option.

Don't even ask for cottage country, or rural Ontario.

I'll tell you a personal story. My youngest sister developed breast cancer, she had moved back to the Caribbean to help run the hotel business. She had insurance, diagnosed one day, the next day she was in Florida getting treated at one of the premiere Cancer clinics. That would NEVER happen in Canada, you'd have to go through the family doctor, wait for a referral for a specialist, wait for time slots for MRI tests at hospital etc etc.

The Canadian system is already a two tier system, athletes, politicians and other of the chosen few can already bypass the waitlists. Meanwhile, nothing else is equal.

For everything else in life, you buy what you can afford, you buy the house and car that you can afford. Suddenly though, healthcare is different, everyone has to get the same shitty service. Its the same as those douche bags bitching about affordable housing in Toronto. Go live where you can afford, its what all of us on the board did.

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money


porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 08:53 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

I have mentioned this several times, but I will do it again since Euphoric doesn't get it.

A retired doctor who was a friend of my family was looking to fly to India to get artery work done because the waiting period was too long.

A lot of Koreans who can afford, fly to Korea to get detailed diagnose or surgery done.
My parents, who go there annually, gets full health check there, and it's not free. You make an appointment, go next day, see multiple doctors, wait half an hour, walk out with a full report.

Think how dentists are in Toronto. You pretty much walk in and get shits done, sometimes they force you to take x-ray, ultrasound etc so they make more moeny, and you do right away in house.
Similar thing happens in Korea, but with MRI Some hospitals encourage you to go for an MRI downstairs. and in 20 min, you have the full report.






BroKe
(Post Master Sr)
08/25/16 09:03 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Free health care but you gotta day a day off work to wait to see a doctor wait for results and wait for another doctor cause first doctor didn't diagnose properly.sometimes I don't know if it's worth it to me.

Just A Troll
(Post Master)
08/25/16 09:56 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
...Its the same as those douche bags bitching about affordable housing in Toronto. Go live where you can afford, its what all of us on the board did.

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money




You were doing great up to this point.

You want Toronto to be nothing but rich people? Then tell me where the guy earning minimum wage at the downtown McDonald's is going to live?

You have a twisted sense of society. It's a good thing you're nothing more than an armchair general and aren't the boss of anything!

You should just leave Canada and join the Plutocrats in the states. You'd fit right in.


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 10:49 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

No, I want to Toronto to be for people who can afford to live there, not subsidized by taxpayers so people can live in prime areas like the revitalized regent park. If you are working McD's as a career, commute from the bedroom communities like the rest of us who can't afford to live in Toronto.

TheRealCSnapper
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 11:05 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

guys, MedCan is a viable option....

also, community housing is not all it's cracked up to be. sure they're in Toronto, but they're in a 400 sq ft apartment with minimal to no amenities, not exactly the four seasons.


Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 11:18 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

But that housing could be torn down to make way for more foreign-invested condos.

TheRealCSnapper
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 11:29 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Q-Bert
But that housing could be torn down to make way for more foreign-invested condos.


but i thought we're against that here...or is it just the chinks?


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 11:49 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
rest of us


lol @ claims of being like "the rest of us" TROLLOLOLOLOL


xza8
(Sr Member)
08/25/16 12:35 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

CSnapper:

Medcan is okay. It is $80/month (average cell phone with data plan) for the Wellness Plan, which is essentially a walk-in clinic with no wait. $3K for the annual A to Z exam. They were able to hook us up with an OB at Mt. Sinai and Sunnybrook, which would be super hard as we are Markham residents. Markham Hospital had the highest baby mortality rate so we wanted to avoid MSH.

I was referred to a new Dr. (stopped going to Medcan because they don't see patients under 5 and my son would use the Dr. more than us) that charges similar to Medcan. Not as fancy of an office but we like how it is 1 Dr. (with a backup) so that it's a family doctor that knows us instead of a walk-in doctor that reads the chart. Cost $7K (24/7 care and complete annual physicals) for the family but well worth it, I'd rather make sacrifices like skipping a vacation than deal with the "public" system now.

I love being able to call my Dr. at 4 am in the morning in a different City because I have a high fever with chills and don't know what I should do.

Medcan/Cleveland/Medisys/Independent is as private as we can get, and it will take care of 99% of your medical needs.




If you make $100K/year, your health care tax bill is probably $12K, which bought the wife and I the best insurance coverage from Blue Cross in the States with superior medical care (based on what we received in Cali).

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/de...ce-2015-rev.pdf


TheRealCSnapper
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 12:42 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

^word

Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 12:47 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: xza8
CSnapper:

Medcan is okay. It is $80/month (average cell phone with data plan) for the Wellness Plan, which is essentially a walk-in clinic with no wait. $3K for the annual A to Z exam. They were able to hook us up with an OB at Mt. Sinai and Sunnybrook, which would be super hard as we are Markham residents. Markham Hospital had the highest baby mortality rate so we wanted to avoid MSH.

I was referred to a new Dr. (stopped going to Medcan because they don't see patients under 5 and my son would use the Dr. more than us) that charges similar to Medcan. Not as fancy of an office but we like how it is 1 Dr. (with a backup) so that it's a family doctor that knows us instead of a walk-in doctor that reads the chart. Cost $7K (24/7 care and complete annual physicals) for the family but well worth it, I'd rather make sacrifices like skipping a vacation than deal with the "public" system now.

I love being able to call my Dr. at 4 am in the morning in a different City because I have a high fever with chills and don't know what I should do.

Medcan/Cleveland/Medisys/Independent is as private as we can get, and it will take care of 99% of your medical needs.




If you make $100K/year, your health care tax bill is probably $12K, which bought the wife and I the best insurance coverage from Blue Cross in the States with superior medical care (based on what we received in Cali).

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/de...ce-2015-rev.pdf

Had the medcan plan for A-Z as part of my benefits at work. Its not bad, but all it shows is the type of service we should be getting, but don't.


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 12:51 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

only way to get seen faster is if you are bleeding out or unconscious. If you are in no apparent and/or immediate danger, you will sit.

TheRealCSnapper
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 12:53 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
only way to get seen faster is if you are bleeding out or unconscious. If you are in no apparent and/or immediate danger, you will sit.


you mean like AN EMERGENCY???


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 12:56 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

What do all these examples have to do with op situation of going to ER when you don't have to ? Nevermind them being bs examples.

My mother has had breast cancer twice. And has been treated here. Its irrelvent to the thread. But pls tell us more about getting treated in Florida.


The ER is not a doctors office.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:02 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

TIL 8-10 hour wait times in an ER that's not busy are totally normal and there are people on the internet waiting in line to "TOLD YOU SO" and "DON'T CLOG UP THE ER WITH YOUR KID BULLSH!T", also "WALK IT OFF" (this is also a country with electricity and running water).

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:05 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

That's some terrible trolling

Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:07 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

10 hour ER wait times are acceptable doe, amirite?

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:14 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Deflecting now. Don't go to the ER with the sniffles. You don't know how busy it was and what kind of other patients walked in the door, or who was working.
There is definitely a problem of people clogging up the ER with non er issues. Is that a systemic problem or an education problem ?


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:16 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Right, cause a 1 year old with a fever that won't break should definitely walk it off....

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:17 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Who said walk it off ?

TheRealCSnapper
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 01:20 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Euphoricuck
Who said walk it off ?


Taylor Swift's retarded cousin


Big Tasty
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 02:17 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

I understand where Euphoric is coming from. Also know it's a roll of the dice depending on how busy they are at whatever point that you arrive.

On of my twins was leaning over on her bed, slipped and knocked her head on the corner of the night table. Decent gash on her forehead, I went to Scarb General and we were seen pretty quickly. Luckily I got in while there was a brief lull so we were first to register and then get called in to stitch her up.

Eldest had a seizure in the car another time and luckily we two mins away from Sunnybrook. I pulled up to the doors of emerg and they took her right away without asking for anything and had a good 5 or more people working on her, once she was normalised they transferred her to Sick Kids by ambulance where we waited for hours.

For the most part I am good with the service we get in Canada but I am also happy and thankful that I haven't had to deal with anything worse than the relatively minor situations we have had so far.


markw
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 02:21 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
I understand where Euphoric is coming from. Also know it's a roll of the dice depending on how busy they are at whatever point that you arrive.

On of my twins was leaning over on her bed, slipped and knocked her head on the corner of the night table. Decent gash on her forehead, I went to Scarb General and we were seen pretty quickly. Luckily I got in while there was a brief lull so we were first to register and then get called in to stitch her up.

Eldest had a seizure in the car another time and luckily we two mins away from Sunnybrook. I pulled up to the doors of emerg and they took her right away without asking for anything and had a good 5 or more people working on her, once she was normalised they transferred her to Sick Kids by ambulance where we waited for hours.

For the most part I am good with the service we get in Canada but I am also happy and thankful that I haven't had to deal with anything worse than the relatively minor situations we have had so far.



So much this. Too many people use the ER as a walk in, though. I went in with a gash on my leg, bleeding was under control and I wasn't going to die.. Visit took almost 5 hours. Went in with my kid who couldn't breath, was in and our in under an hour.


phoenixrage
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 02:23 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

You guys are all fd in the head.. go assume one thing (when there are multiple ways that a statement can be read) and run like the wind with it till you are all beating a dead horse that wasn't even the main point.

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 03:28 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: markw
Went in with my kid who couldn't breath, was in and our in under an hour.
lies.

And I know op knows what's up. I guess I fell victim to porschetr trolling. No one is that dumb. Or are they ?


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 05:03 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

i fully agree with euphoric (wait wut?). if you have a real emergency (example, big tasty's kid having a seizure) you will get seen fast. cut your hand off? you won't be waiting, chest pain and your ecg looks like hill and gully? you'll be seen.

cat scratch? mosquito bite? itchy crotch? your ass is waiting, and that's the way it should be and that's what walk in clinics are ment for; however, you can thank these people for occupying the dr's time and hospital facilities, a doctor won't stop mid sentence and go see someone with abdo pain while he's telling you why your cat scratch is itchy.

see what alot of people don't realize is that there's a little something called VITALS that let the trained triage nurses who do this day in and day out see through your bull shit and can also know when shit needs to get real.

Wayne, i'm glad that you're sister got the care she needed, but you're comparing apples to oranges. our healthcare system, while good, won't be accessible like private hospitals in the states.

in america they have huge dedicated hospitals to cancer care. you're talking like 600 bed hospitals specifically for cancer care/treatment. these massive centres are basically built and funded from over-charging private insurance companies available to people who can pay for them. great if you can afford a good health plan or pay for your own private care, however it's un-realistic to expect that from a solely provincial funded health care system.

like anything in life yes, there are ways to bypass the system. i'll share someting, my aunt was diagnosed with a blood cancer with mets to her ribs. another aunt works at scarb grace and she was able to get her diagnostic imaging done right away, it wasn't that we asked for it, it's not fair to other people, but the staff there had put the request in without us knowing. there are ALOT of people who think (and receive) faster and preferred service based on their donations to the hospital(s). my aunt has been from scarb grace, to princess margaret, to NYGH, to sunny brook but after all her treatment and running around the end result is that the cancer is gone hopefully and she's on the path to recovery taking just a maintence pill medication. what i'm getting at is that even tho it's not perfect, the system DOES work.

but back to the topic at hand, people have unreasonable expectations of the emergency department and it was abused way too much. you have grown ass people complaining about wait time, yelling & screaming that they arn't being seen, being dramatic throwing themselves on the floor for attention, when they say that they have a fever yet their temp says a different story; not to mention that you get a fever approx once a year, so they've been through this at least 20 times before, and they haven't even tried to take any advil or tylenol or nyquil to fight this fever.

edit: let's face it, the only way that this is going to change is if they tax more and/or these fucking greedy politicians stop stuffing their own pockets and direct money into proper venues. when it comes to health care, they throw just enough money to keep people quiet then spend the rest on pizza parties and limos to work.


porschetr
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 05:42 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

The issue is the wait time in general.
I don't expect doctors run out of the emergency room to look at someone with sore muscle. But those with sore muscle shouldn't wait months to get taken care of.

You know how I waited weeks to get my MRI date.
My mom waited 3-4 hours to be seen by a doctor when she was ambulanced to an emergency.
I waited a month to see a stomach specialist, again a month to see the ear specialist.
Where other countries with good medical care, it would be a next day visit.

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?
Should they suck it up and go out because they have lived long enough?




titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 07:02 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

again, it depends on your emergency. yes, you had to wait weeks for your MRI, but if someone came in with a bad head injury or something and the doc ordered a MRI, it would be done right then and there.

about 90% of people have the misconception that because you come in with an ambulance that you will get seen faster or that it's more of a priority than walking through the door when that is not true. every ambulance that comes through the hospital is triaged just the same as any person coming in. If anything it would take longer (not my hospital because we have the fastest triage ems offload times in the province) because there is only 1 dedicated triage nurse specifically for EMS patients while there can be up to 3 for non EMS patients.

again, saying this country has this and this country has that holds no merit. look, cuba has the best health care system yet most of the country lives in poverty.

If someone gets diagnosed with a major disease like a brain tumor or something then that person will get priority, i'm not saying that things are super fast and i'm not saying that things can change and or worsen while in that waiting time or that doctors misdiagnose, what i'm saying is that there is an acuity system in place. also don't forget the people who demand a MRI or CT scan because their sister in law back home is a "doctor" and says they need one.


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 07:46 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Cuba has a better health care system than Canada. Thats fucking sad. You think rich people are waiting weeks for an MRI? They just cross the border and get it done the same day.

Decrease taxes, insitute a copay an see all the moochers disappear


titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/25/16 07:56 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

i am fully in favor of a co-pay.

I was talking with my uncle from my dads side who lives in new york, he is a diabetic who's had a heart attack. he was saying how the co-pay cuts out the riff raft however there are still people there on welfare and social security who are exempt from the co-pay that plug up the system.

yes cuba has one if not the best health care system in the world, also they pay for everyone's university tuition, however the country lives dirt poor. tic for tac.


xza8
(Sr Member)
08/25/16 09:31 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Co-pay will for sure help.

People tend to be wasteful when it is unlimited/free.


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 07:14 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Waiting for Canuck to move to Cuba

They have some pretty good cancer drug there. Treat cancer like a chronic condition. Not something that can be 'cured'. The whole us embargo forced them to have to innovate.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 07:40 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

I know all the rave is about Cuba's healthcare system, but I don't see it.

Their doctors all have part time jobs as vendors selling t shirts in Havana, not sure how good they really can be when practicing medicine isn't their first priority (surviving is).


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 09:13 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Take off the blinders then.

Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 09:15 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/08...lth-system.html

Oh snap....

I remember when I used to be a strong supporter of the 'free' healthcare in Canada. I got into a discussion with my manager in Chicago who told me about a condition that his neice had. The drug would not be covered by any province in Canada due to the cost, but it was covered in the US by her private insurance. Because of that drug, she was live. Seems like the same thing here.

What good is free healthcare when it allows you to die....


Just A Troll
(Post Master)
08/26/16 10:50 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.

Read that on the Star some time last year... I think.


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 10:51 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.


Just A Troll
(Post Master)
08/26/16 10:51 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Euphoricuck
Waiting for Canuck to move to Cuba


To a socialist country? That Plutocrat? You've got to be kidding!


Risky Business
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 10:53 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

He is like "the rest of us" tho

Just A Troll
(Post Master)
08/26/16 10:56 AM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.


Ok... my facts were a bit off. But the gist of the story is: Korean doctors saved his life while BC doctors made him wait.

CBC Article May 20 2015:
 Quote:
Gerd Trubenbach says flying to Korea for cancer surgery was his only hope
Cancer patient, 71, says Canada's health-care system failed him, while Korea's saved him
By Natalie Clancy, CBC News Posted: May 20, 2015 2:00 AM PT Last Updated: May 20, 2015 7:20 PM PT


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...-hope-1.3079619


Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 12:22 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.
that drug I mentioned...not available here (yet) or in the USA. ...some guy with cancer from the magical US had to fly to Canada and then Cuba once a yr and pay $12k for this drug. Then smuggle it back into Canada and then the US.

Such amaze.

Now he can skip the flight through Toronto...but the drug still isn't approved yet.
Doctors had given him months to live. It's been years on this stuff and he's still alive.


You can find examples everywhere. There are pros and cons to every system out there.


Senor Eduardo_82
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 12:34 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

I'm not dead yet. Our system is fine.

*head back in the sand*


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 12:49 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Q-Bert
I'm not dead yet. Our system is fine.

*head back in the sand*



titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 02:39 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.

Read that on the Star some time last year... I think.


I'm sorry, but that's complete dog shit.

of course the treating physicians in korea will knock the other docs because they want to look all high and mighty, but the fact of the matter is that they are not God, they can not tell exactly when a person is going to kick. the korean doctors could also say that the sky is orange doesn't mean that they are right, they sound more ignorant than anything. every person reacts differently to the medication and treatment of cancer, one medicine may have better effects than the other, at the end of the day it's a matter of educated opinions when it comes to timelines; that patient's tumor could have ruptured a bowel and he could have died from sepsis in a day, you never know.


Just A Troll
(Post Master)
08/26/16 03:01 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

^ didn't read properly! It's about wait times!

titty sprinkles
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 05:05 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
^ didn't read properly! It's about wait times!


you obviously don't have any idea what you are talking about just regurgitating what the media throws at you.

what kind of cancer did he have that concluded that he only had x amount of time?

what kind of doctor gave this diagnosis?

what kind of doctor was he waiting to see?

what was his "treatment" that he got in korea that only took 3 days. i'm sure he didn't go through ALL of his rounds of chemo in 3 days because that would kill him.

if you want to be another sheep being fed the bs from the media without knowing shit then go right ahead, but ask yourself this, how would the media know any specifics considering patient confidentiality?

i'll wait.


Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 06:19 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

Works in hospital, offers up non biased opinion

Euphoricuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/26/16 07:19 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.



Choco 'Nuck
(Post Master Supreme)
08/28/16 08:39 PM
Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game.

 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: Chocolate Canuck
...Its the same as those douche bags bitching about affordable housing in Toronto. Go live where you can afford, its what all of us on the board did.

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money




You were doing great up to this point.

You want Toronto to be nothing but rich people? Then tell me where the guy earning minimum wage at the downtown McDonald's is going to live?

You have a twisted sense of society. It's a good thing you're nothing more than an armchair general and aren't the boss of anything!

You should just leave Canada and join the Plutocrats in the states. You'd fit right in.


https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016...dized-rent.html

These are people absolutely deserving of subsidized, dare I say even free housing. People who have contributed to this country by putting themselves in harms way. Not just those with a hand out who believe they deserve to live in toronto regardless of the cost. You may as well buy them a Lexus while you are at it, after they probably deserve that too...
/sarcasm