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Yup very sad. Wife and I were surprised the parents held up well on the news last night. Will be interesting to see how this plays out with a grieving family vs billionaire family. |
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Originally Posted By: Big Tasty Yup very sad. Wife and I were surprised the parents held up well on the news last night. Will be interesting to see how this plays out with a grieving family vs billionaire family. +1 Totally, and I can't even imagine how it'd feel. I hope the moron gets the book thrown at him. |
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Beyond tragic. But i hate how the news takes advantage of this. Also I want to k ow what happened. They are glossing over it which unfortunately is making me think (for now) that grandad pulled into the intersection when he shouldn't have. Kipling has the stop sign ...not kriby. Only a two way stop. I wish they could confirm some details. Book or not that guy is mentally ruined for life. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric I wish they could confirm some details. That's a matter for the courts to decide. |
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On Facebook, someone said he just had his stag night before and was going home. But it happened at 4 pm, well after the hotel check out time. The breathlizer test confirmed it was over twice the limit, so he was drinking that day too I assume. He WAS getting married next month. His Facebook was deleted too since yesterday morning. |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY I'd fucking murder that guy. There is no doubt in my mind that's the only logical thing to do. You are done for life, I have no idea how those parents will move on from this. Nothing to lose at this point. |
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When I first heard of the story on the radio, it was worded as if it was the grandfather (driving the kids) that was drunk So sad ... TheStar has a hard-on for this guy; they're digging deep into his background. |
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Not quite billion... But enough to be 45th-richest ... Well, his grandfather at least. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/09/...l-offences.html Originally Posted By: Big Tasty Yup very sad. Wife and I were surprised the parents held up well on the news last night. Will be interesting to see how this plays out with a grieving family vs billionaire family. I found this to be a weird phrase to use.... His lawyer: Quote: “Twenty-four hours hasn’t even passed so we still have a long row to hoe. |
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Originally Posted By: furball Not quite billion... But enough to be 45th-richest ... Well, his grandfather at least. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/09/...l-offences.html Originally Posted By: Big Tasty Yup very sad. Wife and I were surprised the parents held up well on the news last night. Will be interesting to see how this plays out with a grieving family vs billionaire family. I found this to be a weird phrase to use.... His lawyer: Quote: “Twenty-four hours hasn’t even passed so we still have a long row to hoe. Guess it is how you qualify it, they have the family Estate at 1.7B @ 52nd place. http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-rankings/richest-people/top-100-richest-canadians-2015/ |
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Originally Posted By: eddie _69 Originally Posted By: Euphoric I wish they could confirm some details. That's a matter for the courts to decide. It seems in situations like these if the deceased messed up they gloss over it and focus on other things. Easy in this case,the other guy was intoxicated. Huge loss either way. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric Beyond tragic. But i hate how the news takes advantage of this. Also I want to k ow what happened. They are glossing over it which unfortunately is making me think (for now) that grandad pulled into the intersection when he shouldn't have. Kipling has the stop sign ...not kriby. Only a two way stop. I wish they could confirm some details. Book or not that guy is mentally ruined for life. I too couldn't help but think this too. Either way, this is extremely tragic, yet the parents are so composed on TV...kind of strange if you ask me. I would be completely torn apart and appearing on TV would be the last thing on my mind. |
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And no.. that's not me in my Buddy's 360. That one was a hard top. Apparently this guy was into "bad driving" a lot based on his background. There are too many people out there with driving licences that shouldn't have one! |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric they are in shock That's what my wife said too. |
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https://www.gofundme.com/pp544vvc Go fund me page |
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3 little kids all gone. Wow. If he goes to jail even for a short time prior to trial, the inmates will fuck him up. |
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Couldn't even begin to imagine how those parents feel right now. So sad The news story I was reading was going balls out talking about what his family has done for the community...like they were trying to make him the victim here. I fucking hate the media. Plus, with all of that money on his side he'll probably get off with a slap on the wrist. |
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just tragic. fucking rich asshole can't afford a cab if he was drinking hard? i hope they throw the book at him and he's someone's bitch in D block. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric what happens if it turns out the minivan was in the wrong and pulled out when it shoudlnt have?(like we all know is a huge problem here these days) Doesn't bring those three children back. Forest for the trees homey. |
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Looking at the accident pics, it looks like the douche had the stop sign. Minivan got hit on the drivers side and the their car involved rear ended the drunk. http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...in-vaughan.html |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric captain obvious Clearly not, since you had to ask the question. |
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Originally Posted By: Dumbass Looking at the accident pics, it looks like the douche had the stop sign. Minivan got hit on the drivers side and the their car involved rear ended the drunk. http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...in-vaughan.html this is pure speculation. but based off that toronto star photo and where the van ended up and the drivers side door being hit, you can rule out a couple directions of travel. (1. van wasnt where that fire truck is 2. Van wasnt coming towards the picture taker ) two possible outcomes left after that stellar armchair analysis is the van having the stop sign(in front of mercedes) and pulled out when it shouldnt have. Or the van coming from the left and the jeep blowing the stop sign coming towards the camera. If we never hear the full details than the likely scenario is the van made an error. The news seems to do that(out of respect or whatever). And if the guy was impaired, easy to focus on that instead. As I said before(it shoudlnt need to be repeated but some people will be upset that Im focusing on accident details instead of the outcome). Its tragic either way. |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric Originally Posted By: Dumbass Looking at the accident pics, it looks like the douche had the stop sign. Minivan got hit on the drivers side and the their car involved rear ended the drunk. http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...in-vaughan.html this is pure speculation. but based off that toronto star photo and where the van ended up and the drivers side door being hit, you can rule out a couple directions of travel. (1. van wasnt where that fire truck is 2. Van wasnt coming towards the picture taker ) two possible outcomes left after that stellar armchair analysis is the van having the stop sign(in front of mercedes) and pulled out when it shouldnt have. Or the van coming from the left and the jeep blowing the stop sign coming towards the camera. If we never hear the full details than the likely scenario is the van made an error. The news seems to do that(out of respect or whatever). And if the guy was impaired, easy to focus on that instead. As I said before(it shoudlnt need to be repeated but some people will be upset that Im focusing on accident details instead of the outcome). Its tragic either way. |
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Apparently on his way home from Vegas via private jet where he had his stag. Had blood alcohol level twice the limit and ran a stop sign before his SUV tboned the other vehicle. |
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Originally Posted By: Dumbass ran a stop sign before his SUV tboned the other vehicle. I apologize to the forum cry babies for wondering what the actual details are before I join the witch hunt. |
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I am writing this for the 3rd time as I retrieved from submitting multiple. I didn't want to sound like I was siding with that guy. Whatever he did was wrong, and hoping he gets what he deserves. But I don't agree with media, including Facebook and forums attacking his family and their personal lives. People assume they will buy their way out after finding out their wealth. People are digging up old video of his mother's audition footage and titles it inappropriately. That's equally sad. Ok, maybe not as much as losing 4 of your family members. But it's pathetic. The leaked audition tape. I guess she deeply regrets doing that now. This maybe how she is or just over exaggerating just like other reality show "stars. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3fb_1443561081#5bgPq0xi6EpRfrPv.16 |
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Here's a question: If Muzzo "gets away with it", what are any of you going to do about it? |
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^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol |
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mob justice of course, just like on the simpsons! i see where euphoric is going and i understand, we don't want to throw the guy completely under the bus until all the evidence is out, however, if he's blowing twice over, he's taking the brunt of it. even if the van made the mistake (which i don't think is the case from what i hear), you can't practice defensive driving when you're completely smashed. i also don't want the rich family to take heat, but it's really unlikely they'd just allow their son's life at 29 to go down the toilet. they'll try anything and everything to preserve some level of normalcy for him. unfortunately, that'll never happen for the victim's family. their entire lives will forever be in ruins. |
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Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. and i'm saying again, wtf are we supposed to do short of signing them up for a free washer and dryer on kijiji? hey y'all! grab yo pitchforks! |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. Are you stupid? Yes, yes you are. |
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Originally Posted By: Hatorade Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. Are you stupid? Yes, yes you are. |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Here's a question: If Muzzo "gets away with it", what are any of you going to do about it? What about when people online side with the "rich" to give off the perceived image that they are also rich meanwhile living that cubicle worker life lol |
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Originally Posted By: Risky Business Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Here's a question: If Muzzo "gets away with it", what are any of you going to do about it? What about when people online side with the "rich" to give off the perceived image that they are also rich meanwhile living that cubicle worker life lol Wow.. did you just call our CEO middle class? |
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Evidence compromised by 'spontaneous electrical fire' http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/0...ce-custody.html |
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Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. and i'm saying again, wtf are we supposed to do short of signing them up for a free washer and dryer on kijiji? hey y'all! grab yo pitchforks! Go spend some time on reditt. They're quite creative over there as far as "social justice" is concerned. That's a start. Still my point is: Just like 99% of the people out there, you make a lot of "noise" but do very little to change society. |
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Originally Posted By: furball Evidence compromised by 'spontaneous electrical fire' http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/0...ce-custody.html |
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Originally Posted By: furball Evidence compromised by 'spontaneous electrical fire' http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/0...ce-custody.html How does one start an electrical fire when it's not even running? Jeez. Mafia family or something? |
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Originally Posted By: c2k Originally Posted By: furball Evidence compromised by 'spontaneous electrical fire' http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/0...ce-custody.html How does one start an electrical fire when it's not even running? Jeez. Mafia family or something? It's actually more common than you think. there's an even greater risk of that after that kind of collision. BUT that being said, that's pretty fucking suspicious! Such BS and yeah this family has tentacles everywhere for years and it wouldnt surprise me if it's internal foul play, disgusting if that's the case. Ironic how there are so many other collision vehicles held there (and at other locations) that HAVE NOT caught fire daily, eh?? |
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Jeep catching fire is pretty common lol https://www.google.com/search?q=jeep+catches+fire&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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In this world there are equalizers. As for a wealthy family, they surely can pay their way out of anything. F'in sad but I've witness this first hand in China. Originally Posted By: porschetr I am writing this for the 3rd time as I retrieved from submitting multiple. I didn't want to sound like I was siding with that guy. Whatever he did was wrong, and hoping he gets what he deserves. But I don't agree with media, including Facebook and forums attacking his family and their personal lives. People assume they will buy their way out after finding out their wealth. People are digging up old video of his mother's audition footage and titles it inappropriately. That's equally sad. Ok, maybe not as much as losing 4 of your family members. But it's pathetic. The leaked audition tape. I guess she deeply regrets doing that now. This maybe how she is or just over exaggerating just like other reality show "stars. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3fb_1443561081#5bgPq0xi6EpRfrPv.16 As much as this sucks for the family, but it's a equalizer. I truly believe things get balanced out. So the family will probably pay their way out because they have far reaching arms. Society/social media will determine how heavy the punishment. Or maybe social media keeps the pressure up that the family won't do anything about it? Or that the corrupt officials can't get the guy out of trouble. All equalizers. Either way, it's not looking good for him. In fact this entire situation isn't good. |
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I realized the accident was really close to my buddy's fire station and got in touch with him last night. Yep, he was one of the responders. Tough call. |
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Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles Originally Posted By: Just A Troll Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles ^did we all of a sudden become CSI ontario police or something? wtf do you expect us to do about it? lol I'm simply pointing out that people get outraged, and very vocal, but never actually do anything about it. That's why the rich "get away with it", because the rest just don't do anything. and i'm saying again, wtf are we supposed to do short of signing them up for a free washer and dryer on kijiji? hey y'all! grab yo pitchforks! Go spend some time on reditt. They're quite creative over there as far as "social justice" is concerned. That's a start. Still my point is: Just like 99% of the people out there, you make a lot of "noise" but do very little to change society. you mean like the same way how your mouth is talking yet your still behind your keyboard? hatorade is right you are stupid. this gif makes more sense than you do: |
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Sounds shady ... CN: Guy's lawyer asks for an adjournment, effectively keeping his client in jail, so that they can review the evidence from the Crown. Also just so happens that new date is when the federal elections are... http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/1...ndchildren.html Quote: It’s too early to say <whether he> will plead not guilty, his lawyer said Friday ... where he asked Justice of the Peace Philip Solomon to adjourn the bail hearing for Marco Muzzo until Oct. 19 Quote: Muzzo’s bail hearing is now scheduled to occur on the same day as the federal election. |
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Originally Posted By: furball Sounds shady ... CN: Guy's lawyer asks for an adjournment, effectively keeping his client in jail, so that they can review the evidence from the Crown. Also just so happens that new date is when the federal elections are... http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/1...ndchildren.html Quote: It’s too early to say <whether he> will plead not guilty, his lawyer said Friday ... where he asked Justice of the Peace Philip Solomon to adjourn the bail hearing for Marco Muzzo until Oct. 19 Quote: Muzzo’s bail hearing is now scheduled to occur on the same day as the federal election. That publicity machine doe. Also for every day you are in prison before your sentencing you usually get the equivalent of 2 days served for every 1 day you are there. THey are either expecting him to be convicted and to do jail time and earning him credit now so he spends less time behind bars once sentenced or a combination of that and to make it go away quietly with the election around. They would be stupid to think the election is going to take the spotlight of this case, people love this shit, probably more so than the election lol where the real benzo at? |
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^ that's probably why the crown is trying to keep him in custody to trial. Heard on the news the Muzzo family has been receiving death threats and they have hired personnel security. Wat dat middle class money do! |
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Fuck, do you guys even read His OWN lawyer is keeping him in prison, stating they want disclosure etc etc... They could also plead NOT GUILTY at this point. You can continue to review evidence OUT OF JAIL ... This was simply a bail hearing. |
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They still can ... Why stop the plans? I mean ... the kids were supposed to keep breathing today, why would they sto ... oh wait. Originally Posted By: eddie _69 Dude was supposed to get married on the 17th. |
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Originally Posted By: titty sprinkles I would hate to be a defense attorney Why? The amount of dough you can make off this loser would put your kid through college. Especially since he's from a wealthy family. You can tie up the case in the courts for a very long time and keep billing at $600/hr while still knowing you're not going to win. But if you're talking about the moral issue, then yes. How can you in good conscience defend such a douche? |
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I bet you most lawyers would not have a problem defending this guy. Not because of the money ($$$) they'll make but because of the challenge and the possibility of actually getting him off (there are a lot of details that the public doesn't know of yet). At the end of the day yes he may be a douche but he didn't mean to kill them. I always question the defense lawyers for rapists, murders etc. |
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Originally Posted By: Dumbass https://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/horrendous-scene-left-alleged-drunk-000802586.html Vtec kicked in lol...said the same thing when i saw the Si into the house, like really???? wow. ironically the house he hit...that dude also had a newer 4dr white Si in the garage. tho the driver smoked the other car more...it was 3wks old...navy blue lexus i think? anyways, fucking punk piece of shit teen or whatever he was...kareem abdul jabbar named motherfucker. hope they don't let him drive for the next 20 years. another reason why i'd never buy a home facing the "end" of a street, fuck that noise. the ONE time it's gonna happen, boom. the kid did about $300k damage to the home in addition to the cars in the garage.....GNSP insurance. he may as well just go join ISIS now. |
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Originally Posted By: Dumbass https://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/horrendous-scene-left-alleged-drunk-000802586.html Vtec kicked in HOLY SHIT! WOW! |
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Originally Posted By: Big Tasty http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/man-sentenced-to-5-years-for-impaired-driving-causing-death-of-father-daughter-1.2597834 Only 5 years for killing father/daughter and no license for 8 years. WTF fuck this system of ours. bullshit. |
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http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-sto...ree-brampton-k/ Quote: Marco Muzzo, the man charged with drunk driving causing death and other offences in a devastating crash in Vaughan that killed three Brampton children and their grandfather, will return to court next month to plead guilty. The 29-year-old King Township man, the grandson of late Mississauga billionaire developer Marco Muzzo, faces 18 charges, including four counts of impaired driving causing death in the Sept. 27 crash that killed Daniel Neville-Lake, 9, Harrison Neville-Lake, 5, 2-year-old Milagros (Millie) Neville-Lake, all of Brampton, and their grandfather, Gary Neville, 65. Amid a circus of journalists, Muzzo appeared in Superior court in Newmarket court this afternoon in front of Justice Michelle Fuerst with his lawyer, Brian Greenspan, who told the court his client will be returning to court Feb. 4 to plead guilty and enter in an agreed statement of facts. Earlier in the day, Greenspan told an Ontario court judge his client wishes to be tried before a judge and not a jury. |
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Originally Posted By: eddie _4u2nv http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/6220970-breaking-news-marco-muzzo-to-plead-guilty-to-fatal-drunk-driving-crash-that-killed-three-brampton-k/ Quote: Marco Muzzo, the man charged with drunk driving causing death and other offences in a devastating crash in Vaughan that killed three Brampton children and their grandfather, will return to court next month to plead guilty. The 29-year-old King Township man, the grandson of late Mississauga billionaire developer Marco Muzzo, faces 18 charges, including four counts of impaired driving causing death in the Sept. 27 crash that killed Daniel Neville-Lake, 9, Harrison Neville-Lake, 5, 2-year-old Milagros (Millie) Neville-Lake, all of Brampton, and their grandfather, Gary Neville, 65. Amid a circus of journalists, Muzzo appeared in Superior court in Newmarket court this afternoon in front of Justice Michelle Fuerst with his lawyer, Brian Greenspan, who told the court his client will be returning to court Feb. 4 to plead guilty and enter in an agreed statement of facts. Earlier in the day, Greenspan told an Ontario court judge his client wishes to be tried before a judge and not a jury. Just saw it on the news yeah. Of course he wants judge...cause a jury will ream him and he'll be guilty on at least half the charges most likely. I bet his defense will weasel their way into getting a judge they "know" and is more lenient on the accused. Hopefully that's not the case and he goes away for awhile. I would assume he's going to get min. 20 yrs no? Given our pansy system. (dat life doe) |
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Was thinking that too initially, but given the family business sounds pretty high profile and drunk driving is not socially acceptable, if the family didn't own up to some moral responsibility, that could affect their (corporate) image down the road? Plus entering a guilty plea would be a long shot hope for a reduced sentence. There's probably too much evidence against him to even fight for a not guilty plea. |
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