| Risky Business |
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| 04/14/15 10:57 AM |
What is the point of polling people...
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...when they don't understand the full scope and implications of certain decisions?
So we have a poll on whether or not the Gardiner should be torn down/repurposed/whatever. The poll is *right* on erroneous opinions of the public who don’t understand the costs/traffic/developmental implications just like the city officials don’t.
Hey I will just go and ask a random bum on how to issue an IPO on the nasdaq on the latest tech start up because of his insight, if I get the collective opinion of a bunch of bums then I have a data set that’s obviously worth something.
W.T.F
Of everyone surveyed 5% answered with "dont know" which gives me hope for humanity.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/04/14/half-of-torontonians-want-gardiner-expressway-down.html
| Choco 'Nuck |
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| 04/14/15 11:00 AM |
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Yup, tear it down, watch traffic crawl, this is what the people who live in the condos and downtown proper want. This has been Toronto's plan all along though, they budgeted money all along and never spent it
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/millions-for-gardiner-expressway-repairs-never-spent-1.1168644
Then they can say its too expensive to fix, so tear it down. People think that they will have a waterfront like Chicago without the Gardiner, but instead, its a wall of ugly condos.
| Euphoricuck |
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| 04/14/15 11:04 AM |
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Maybe the people polled were all civil engineers ?
I look forward to the debate in the coming decades resulting in no action.
| LNXGUY |
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| 04/14/15 11:15 AM |
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I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lastnight.
| iamfob |
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| 04/14/15 11:34 AM |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lastnight.
GFE?
| zc911 |
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| 04/14/15 11:52 AM |
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It is absolutely insane to tear it down, I don't understand how this is an option? There would be no way you could get around the downtown core with a car. Forget car, how do these people think all their overpriced groceries and stores get restocked? A rickshaw? Trucks bring it in, how are they going to get into the city. It would be a 24 hour traffic jam
| Euphoricuck |
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| 04/14/15 11:59 AM |
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Originally Posted By: zc911
A rickshaw?
| LNXGUY |
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| 04/14/15 12:09 PM |
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Tear it down and relay on our fabulous transit system.
.......oh wait.
| c2k |
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| 04/14/15 12:43 PM |
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Tear it down, put the highway underground like Boston big dig project. oh wait, most of the $$ is being spent on worthless shit so that'd never ever happen.
| Hatorade |
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| 04/14/15 04:24 PM |
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Originally Posted By: c2k
Tear it down, put the highway underground like Boston big dig project. oh wait, most of the $$ is being spent on worthless shit so that'd never ever happen.
Boston was a Fucking disaster of a project. Shit cost them over 14b if I remember right and took an extra decade to complete. Yeah great management right durr
| furball |
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| 04/14/15 08:45 PM |
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High Line Park?
| Hatorade |
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| 04/14/15 10:08 PM |
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If they can pull that off, it would be fucking cool.
| Raocorp |
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| 04/14/15 10:36 PM |
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Originally Posted By: iamfob
Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lastnight.
GFE?
My guess is PSE
| Screamin Type ARGH! |
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| 04/15/15 07:44 AM |
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there should be a poll on stripper poles
| c2k |
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| 04/15/15 01:19 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Originally Posted By: c2k
Tear it down, put the highway underground like Boston big dig project. oh wait, most of the $$ is being spent on worthless shit so that'd never ever happen.
Boston was a Fucking disaster of a project. Shit cost them over 14b if I remember right and took an extra decade to complete. Yeah great management right durr
Yep 14b and a long ass time to complete - but look how it turned out today. Unless you have any better ideas?
| titty sprinkles |
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| 04/15/15 03:02 PM |
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Originally Posted By: zc911
It is absolutely insane to tear it down, I don't understand how this is an option? There would be no way you could get around the downtown core with a car. Forget car, how do these people think all their overpriced groceries and stores get restocked? A rickshaw? Trucks bring it in, how are they going to get into the city. It would be a 24 hour traffic jam
only benefit i can see from tearing it down would be that the city won't have to pay to maintain a POS raised highway that keeps falling apart. half the shit is closed 99% of the time anyway. every way you look at it, it's a clusterfuck of traffic no matter what.
so happy i don't have to commuite past that thing anymore.
| Choco 'Nuck |
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| 04/15/15 04:50 PM |
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Yup, I called it, they are going to tear it down
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/04/...study-says.html
They will replace it with some BS like they did east of the DVP where traffic just crawls
| Wildout |
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| 04/15/15 09:25 PM |
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If they remove it I can see the condo prices drop huge, same with anything entertainment related.
Lakeshore & Yonge is going to be fucked for years
| hyper-s2k |
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| 04/15/15 11:11 PM |
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Short sighted as usual -- only think of the immediate cost and not the "costs" that will associated with the slow down.
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Add three minutes to projected commutes from south Etobicoke, Don Mills and Victoria Park and Finch Ave., and five minutes for commuters coming from Victoria Park and Kingston Rd. (Those times are on top of the extra five minutes increased traffic would, by 2031, add to the current trips.).
I hardly doubt this - it's probably more like 30 min. when the build up saturates. these projections are total bullshit; wanna see how bad it is - shut it down on tuesday to thursday for 1 week and it'll give a good feel of how bad traffic gets.
so glad i stay north of hwy. 7 on weekends so i don't have to deal w/ this b.s.
| LNXGUY |
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| 04/16/15 06:43 AM |
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I feel bad for anyone that uses the Gardiner on their daily commute.
| 87ZCSi |
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| 04/16/15 08:21 AM |
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Maybe they should just sell that part of the Gardiner.
| LNXGUY |
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| 04/16/15 08:22 AM |
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To the Tamils.
| 87ZCSi |
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| 04/16/15 08:23 AM |
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Well anyone who will pay will be fine. Who cares who controls our vital infrastructure.
| Euphoricuck |
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| 04/16/15 08:26 AM |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
To the Tamils.
| Choco 'Nuck |
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| 04/16/15 08:27 AM |
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But it's developers who are recommending tearing it down. They came up with the plan that is now getting pushed. They are salivating at the profits from fucking up that area like the rest of the waterfront.
I had to drive to Yonge and Sheppard today, what a clusterfuck for traffic, because of "development".
| c2k |
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| 04/16/15 09:09 AM |
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Suddenly - Hamilton/Ancaster is looking like a promising place to live.
| hyper-s2k |
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| 04/16/15 05:04 PM |
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Originally Posted By: Euphoric
Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
To the Tamils.
... And have it fall apart in 1/2 the time as the current one.
| BroKe |
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| 04/17/15 07:09 PM |
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I hope they tear it down so I can sit back and laugh at the clusterfuck that would occur since I live uptown and already refuse to go downtown because of shitbtraffic and no parking
| Risky Business |
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| 04/17/15 08:30 PM |
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Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
To the Tamils.
Omfg HAHAHAHAHAHA
| Choco 'Nuck |
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| 04/18/15 07:43 AM |
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Originally Posted By: Low_Budget_Honda
I hope they tear it down so I can sit back and laugh at the clusterfuck that would occur since I live uptown and already refuse to go downtown because of shitbtraffic and no parking
This. I really want to watch the shit show
| 87ZCSi |
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| 04/18/15 11:18 AM |
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Meanwhile, the highlight of my 36th floor view is the part that would get torn down.