#7344974 - 10/18/13 08:55 PM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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he shows me pictures of his bike. It was 13 lbs  That's a heavy picture.
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#7345037 - 10/18/13 09:40 PM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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Seriously, tell me what the differences are that an amature would notice?
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#7345154 - 10/19/13 01:54 AM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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he shows me pictures of his bike. It was 13 lbs That's a heavy picture.
Yours can't be that far off that - mine is about 17lbs and you have better stuff on yours.
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#7345194 - 10/19/13 07:39 AM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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fatredcircIe
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Pinarello is made in china too.
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#7345242 - 10/19/13 09:13 AM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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4age
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Not even sure that Stork is that special.
They are just more rare here because they are a newer brand out of Europe.
Same with Focus, Cipollini, Cube et al. Heck, BMC only started getting big in north america within the past 8 years or so. They are "high end" in the sense that they make what Jason likes to call "top shelf bikes". But nearly every manufacturer does these days.
And FWIW, 13lbs is nothing "special". There are a lot of bike weight nerds out there striving for low numbers. In fact, there are 13lb aluminum bike builds out there. Why weight matters that much is beyond me XD But want to talk high end? See Baum. 8k for a FRAME.
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#7345291 - 10/19/13 10:44 AM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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So how would the Stork or Cipolini compare to a Cevel R5 or S5, or a specialized S-Works SL4
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#7345801 - 10/19/13 08:47 PM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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#7345936 - 10/19/13 10:55 PM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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#7346038 - 10/20/13 12:44 AM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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4age
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^ O.O That is a sick bike.
I'd suspect that bikes at the "top level" all are going to be similar in stiffness and power transfer. All will feel similarly snappy. The differences will lie in how the bike handles--and that will be determined by the trail #'s and bb height.
If you look into the geo, you'll see a wide variance of trail and bb height -- but head and seat angles are generally similar. Both affect how quickly the bike responds to lean inputs, and how "stable" it can feel. I think with more ride time, you become more discerning with regards to what you prefer, and what feels good to you. By that alone, you'll weed out what bikes you like and what bikes you wont. So it becomes much less about brand/manufacturer, and more about the desired traits you seek.
For example, I prefer a higher bottom bracket. With the CG higher atop the bike, it becomes more responsive to lean inputs and is quicker to throw around when out of the saddle and hammering (which I do a lot!). I also like trail around 56 combined with a high bb. Just stuff I became accustomed to since riding track frames. A bike is much more flickable, and easy to throw around with less force required on the riders behalf. Others would deem such bikes to be twitchy and unstable feeling on decents, and prefer lower bb's and less trail.
Stiffness and aero is only one factor. The rest is handling AND fit--which I didn't even mention yet. As you dial in your fit and really get to know what position you can make power in/sustain + still be aero vs the extremes of each (ie: too much drop/aero but hampers ability to sustain high outputs). So stack height also is a factor. As well, the proportion of torso length to leg length in the rider will also determine the desired reach in a frame. "reach" in this case, is not "distance from saddle to handlebars". Reach is 2 fixed points in space: the horizontal distance between center of bb and center of head tube. Both stack and reach can not really be altered very much without affecting other things. So you'll be seeking frames with specific stacks and reach. For more reading on this, dig up an article by Dan Empfield he wrote something like 10 years ago for slow twitch. It's actually because of this guy that the bike industry started putting stack and reach on geo charts. But I happen to run an excel spread sheet and plug #'s in to determine that...because you can play with spacers, headsets and stem lengths/rise/drop to tune it a little.
No sense dwelling on these things now. It'll come with time (and unfortunately, money...as one needs to experiment). It took me more than a decade of constant fiddling to figure these things out. You may be faster, or you may take longer. Depends how much you ride, how OCD you are, and how much you will experiment and keep logs (as well as read up on fit and effects on handling due to geometric changes)...but eventually, you will know what works for *you*, your specific riding style, and your intended way of riding.
I don't even read bike reviews anymore...they're pretty meaningless because sadly, the "engine" for everyone is different. I'm not talking about power levels, I'm talking about riding style and how you will fit atop the machine. And I keep using the word "fit"--"fit" to me isn't "does the bike work for my body proportions". No--that's too simple. A bike is not a pair of shoes. It's "can the bike be dialed to meet exactly the way I ride, and put me in a position where I am familiar with (feel at home) and sustain long durations of high efforts in". I can ride a 51, 52, 54 and 56. They will all work differently for me, as they would for you. And a 54 in a Giant is going to be different from a 54 in a Cannondale not only in the position you can get, but also the handling. Same applies to any manufacturer. I guess that's why custom is so popular for some folks--because they haven't figured it out yet, and they have the means to rely on builders to figure it out on their behalf.
PS might come home with this XD
61mm bb drop and low stack height!!! ZOMG THAT IS PERFECT!
Edited by 4age (10/20/13 12:54 AM)
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#7346546 - 10/20/13 05:40 PM
Re: Have you guys heard of these bikes?
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Risky Business
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I still don't understand why 'handling' is important on a road bike. We ride straight for 99.99999999999999999999999999999% I can see 4age kind of caring if he is dodging between cars on Yonge and shit, but for a regular rider all you do is pedal straight, handling has no bearing on anything and is like the least important thing for any road bike.  unless I missed the twisties doe
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